Illicit Sex Messiah's Club Apologist
PADA: Nrsimhananda das was one of the people who angrily and sub-violently confronted me at Berkeley temple, "are you one of those ritviks." Ummm, yep as as matter of fact -- I do not promote the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's messiahs.
Yep. As a matter of fact, I had to oppose your program -- that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas. Yep. As a matter of fact, most of the ex-children in your "pedophile gurus and messiahs project" are permanently alienated from ISKCON. And yep, a number of victims of your process -- hate -- Hare Krishna -- and some eat meat as a protest of your bogus molester messiah's cult etc.
Yep. Some of your program's ex-children victims took their own lives -- so they would not have to look at your guy's faces anymore, and have to continue to see their pedophile guru program's enablers, enforcers, apologists, supporters and cheer leaders.
Yep, your pedophile guru program's defender lawyer -- Amarendra -- had a daughter who died of apparent drug abuse, because even she could not stand seeing your guy's faces anymore either. And numbers of other ex-kids from your pedophile messiah's club took their lives too -- which is why some people are saying you are a Satanic child sacrifice cult, because children end up departed untimely, or living -- but in a state of suffering from traumas. One person said many of the ex-children in their program are "the walking wounded."
And thus -- a number of survivors of your pedophile messiah's cult are suffering from mental anguish, PTSD, trauma, stress, nightmares and etc. And yeah, it looks like you guys are not yet even realizing, there is a problem here?
My friend overheard you saying that we need to get rid of these crazy Satsvarupa writings, because it is making us look bad. OK but what about all the scandalous publicity of all the people who had to be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed to make way for your pedophile messiah's club? Doesn't that make ISKCON look worse than anything SDG could write?
But yeah, your messiahs are also producing garbage, and they write garbage, and paint Satanic art etc., but aren't there bigger issues at play here?
SRD: The following is a letter I wrote in response to Nrishimanada Prabhu on the 11th of December 2023 where I try to address some of the current problems in the Vrindavana Gurukula.
Hare Krsna Nrsimhananda prabhu,
Please accept my respectful obeisances, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I pray that you please find it in your heart to forgive the offenses I am about to make. I simply do not have the skill and the intelligence to respond to your letter in a respectful manner.
The naivety that pervades your letter is both heart breaking and astonishing! It tells me that you have learned nothing from 50 years of child abuse in ISKCON, but yet, this does not stop you from jumping in to endorse a school that has one of the worst track records in ISKCON's history.
The quote comes to mind 'Fools rush in where angels fear to thread'.
You seem oblivious to the fact that the thought process that underpins your letter is precisely why and how BVP and so many others were able (and enabled) to continue abusing children for so many years.
'Nothing happened in the last (fill in the blank) years, why are you making such a big deal about old news? I just visited the school, their 'vedic' mud huts are very aesthetically pleasing, the prasadam was cooked on cow dung fire, the mantras were cool and I didn't see any kids getting assaulted! Things are different now, stop being so negative'!
Everything is great in wonderland! Allegations of abuse are fake news!
It is precisely this narrative that allows known offenders to continue having access to children!
Let's look at some facts.
In 2018 the CPO submitted a report to the GBCs on the Vrindavana Gurukula. The report only covers a relatively short time frame of observation, 73 days.
In the course of these 73 days the CPO uncovered a total of 62 incidents of child abuse with 8 teachers implicated. This is almost one child a day! It is industrial scale child abuse!
Most importantly the report also points out that the school management is not forthcoming about the abuse of children. In other words they cover up child abuse! The nature of the abuse described ranges from sexual, physical, spiritual and emotional. What is particularly significant about this report is that it is the last comprehensive assessment / investigation carried out on the Vrindavana Gurukula.
To this day there is no credible independent oversight in that school. The entire GBC body received this report and voted to keep the school open, with the same management!!!
You make the ludicrous suggestion that somehow the fact that the school has now moved to a different location, invalidates any concerns raised by the reports from the previous location. In spite of the fact that it is run by the very same management.
It is not reasonable to assume that the same management, after receiving no sanctions from the GBCs for the damning and extensive 2018 report, would have now somehow magically decided to drastically change the way they operate, so as to create a safer environment for the children. If anything, the fact that the GBCs allowed them to get away with child abuse coupled with the fact that the school is now in a more remote location is reason for even greater concerns.
PADA: We have heard this same problem a number of times. As the complaints about ISKCON leader's malpractice mis-management increases, the GBC makes access to the program being complained about less accessible. They might block people's emails and won't grant meetings etc.
The ISKCON leaders are often banning critics, moving operations to a place that is more remote, and securing the program from outside monitoring, and so on. Certainly Nrsimhananda knows all about these tricks by now. And for sure he must know the result has been -- mass child abuse -- by now.
Very seldom are children abused in plain sight. For a number of reasons, child abuse generally only comes to light 30 to 40 years later, when the victims are finally able and willing to come forward.
Very seldom are children abused in plain sight. For a number of reasons, child abuse generally only comes to light 30 to 40 years later, when the victims are finally able and willing to come forward.
In situations where children have not been adequately educated, they themselves may not be aware that they are being abused at the time. One of BVP's victims wrote that he didn't realize that getting masturbated (by BVP) was also abuse, he believed that only penetration constituted abuse, so he didn't say anything until many years later.
If you read the case files of the girls that were in BVP's school, you will get an idea of how deep the deceptionof devious teachers can go. They shared that they were made to rehearse for school visits from senior devotees. To add the extra touch, teachers would put calculus equations on the black board, that had never been explained to the students and that the girls knew nothing about, just to appear as though the quality of their education was much higher than it actually was.
Both of the two devotees you named: Radha Kantha and Lila Purushottam have been personally accused of beating the children in the school and of covering up incidents of child abuse.
If you read the case files of the girls that were in BVP's school, you will get an idea of how deep the deceptionof devious teachers can go. They shared that they were made to rehearse for school visits from senior devotees. To add the extra touch, teachers would put calculus equations on the black board, that had never been explained to the students and that the girls knew nothing about, just to appear as though the quality of their education was much higher than it actually was.
Both of the two devotees you named: Radha Kantha and Lila Purushottam have been personally accused of beating the children in the school and of covering up incidents of child abuse.
There are dozens and dozens of reports of child abuse (of every category) that have taken place under their management of the Vrindavana Gurukula. They have also reinstated at least one teacher that had been removed for abusing children, Sudananda das, who is currently serving as the 'Head Ashram teacher” in the Vrindavana Gurukula.
In the past they have also forcefully removed CPO representatives from the campus, that had come to inspect the school. Taking into account their track record, if you actually believe that these devotees would be forthcoming with you about any current child abuse problems in the Vrindavana Gurukula, you are even more naive than I realized.
PADA: I don't believe these people are simply naive. The dissenters are systematically shunned, banned, beaten, sued, and maybe killed. This is not just waving off or ignoring the problem, this is a diabolical plot to enforce these abuse programs.
We are in Kali Yuga, child abuse cannot be eradicated, Radha Kantha's claim that there have been zero incidents of child abuse in the last 2 years is itself a red flag.
A school that claims to have zero incidents of child abuse is far more suspicious than a school that demonstrates that they have an independent, robust and transparent system to prevent, identify and handle incidents.
When the school making such claim is the Vrindavana Gurukula, with a 40 years track record of child abuse, and no credible independent oversight, you can be almost certain that such claim is inaccurate and dishonest.
A school that claims to have zero incidents of child abuse is far more suspicious than a school that demonstrates that they have an independent, robust and transparent system to prevent, identify and handle incidents.
When the school making such claim is the Vrindavana Gurukula, with a 40 years track record of child abuse, and no credible independent oversight, you can be almost certain that such claim is inaccurate and dishonest.
PADA: Well the people in Vrndavana helped bury a pedophile in a samadhi, they know very well what they are promoting there = pedophile pooja.
You visited the Vrindavana Gurukula in the last year or so and saw a beautiful setting. If children are still being abused, do you honestly believe that you would have seen it?
Pancharatna visited the Vrindavana Gurukula around the same time as you. In some later correspondence he admitted that he had not had the time to interview the faculty and students or carry out an in depth assessment of the school. Yet, just like you, he wrote a glowing 'Kumbaya' report on how good the prasadam was.
If you compare his and your reports to the professional assessment compiled by Navin Krishna's team only a short while earlier, it is apparent that the Vrindavana Gurukula is still a long way from where it needs to be, and that your reports (yours and Pancharatnma's) only highlight your own inadequacies and lack of qualifications to even comment on the subject of safety of children. What to speak of actually carrying out an assessment!
BTW, almost a year later, the GBC is yet to take any meaningful action to address the areas of grave concern raised in NK's report. So why/ how could anyone reasonably believe that 'now everything is fixed'??? The only honest statement both of you (Pancharatna and yourself) could have made is some variation of:
"I had a positive superficial first impression, but I did not carry out the in-depth assessment that the school's history demands, to be able to attest to the safety and well-being of the children in the Vrindavana Gurukula".
Pancharatna, the new director of the recently formed Indian CPO has decided that incidents of sexual abuse should be handled exclusively by the police. At first sight this may seem like an intelligent and even commendable decision!
The CPO has always operated with a standard of evidence, used in civil courts of law, called 'preponderance of evidence'. This is significantly lower than the burden of proof required by criminal courts which is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
Criminal courts require such a high standard of evidence because, the sanctions that they can impose are extreme. Civil courts on the other hand employ the lower standard because their sanctions are significantly lower.
Given the very limited sanctions that the CPO is able / authorized to impose it is only reasonable that they employ the lower standard of evidence. Introducing the standard of evidence beyond reasonable doubt for the CPO will only favor sex offenders.
The Indian police force does not have the reputation of being particularly responsive or sensitive to matters of child abuse, they also notoriously struggle with bribery. Even if these problems weren't there, for a number of reasons, even in the west, only a small percentage of child sexual abuse cases actually meet the standard of evidence required for a police conviction.
In short by changing the goalposts, Pancharatna has ensured that the India CPO will allow the vast majority of sex offenders that abuse our children will walk free.
Free to continue abusing...
It is Important to note that the India CPO was established only after the recent international interest in the Lokanath case.
It is Important to note that the India CPO was established only after the recent international interest in the Lokanath case.
PADA: Yeah the Lokanath case shows that molesters are still being worshiped as messiahs, where is the reform or correction? And Lokanath has been a king pin leader of the whole molester messiahs project all along.
This change that Pancharatna wants to introduce, will ensure that Lokanath gets fully exonerated by the India CPO... Because the Indian police cannot prosecute a 40 year old case that took place outside its jurisdiction, therefore he must be innocent!
PADA: But if you are not a pedophile posing as a divine guru, you can be banned, beaten, sued and -- killed.
This idea to change the standard of evidence used by the CPO is also endorsed by a number of devotee lawyers in the west, who have been campaigning to exonerate Laxmimoni.
This change in policy is also attractive to some ISKCON leaders that want to propagate the illusion that the child abuse problem is gone, for this would drastically reduce the number of official child abuse cases in ISKCON, because the majority of cases would not meet the burden of proof required. Naturally this would create a far more dangerous world for our children because we would not take the necessary measure against known offenders.
Pancharatna admitted that he didn't have (make) the time to properly assess the school, presumably because he had other, more pressing matters to attend. I am not aware that he has ever gone back to carry out an in depth assessment of the safety of the children at the Vrindavana Gurukula.
At any rate, given the horrific track record of the school, even if he has been back at the school since, it is unforgivable that he wrote a positive report without taking the time to carry out the necessary due diligence.
In your situation, as a visiting devotee with no responsibility for the children's well-being, your actions, though reckless, are less problematic, this is not the case with Pancharatna das. As the director of the newly formed Indian CPO, his lackadaisical approach to child protection is unacceptable and alarming! It is reckless, it demonstrates his lack of qualifications for the job.
If ISKCON was a society that actually cared for the protection of its children, this fact alone, in and of itself, would warrant his immediate dismissal.
Both yourself and Pancharatna placed the credibility of your word, seniority and standing in the community to vouch for the safety of the children in the Vrindavana Gurukula, one of the most notorious school in ISKCON's dark history, on the basis of a brief visit to a school, that no reasonable individual would regard as sufficient to make an informed opinion.
In your situation, as a visiting devotee with no responsibility for the children's well-being, your actions, though reckless, are less problematic, this is not the case with Pancharatna das. As the director of the newly formed Indian CPO, his lackadaisical approach to child protection is unacceptable and alarming! It is reckless, it demonstrates his lack of qualifications for the job.
If ISKCON was a society that actually cared for the protection of its children, this fact alone, in and of itself, would warrant his immediate dismissal.
Both yourself and Pancharatna placed the credibility of your word, seniority and standing in the community to vouch for the safety of the children in the Vrindavana Gurukula, one of the most notorious school in ISKCON's dark history, on the basis of a brief visit to a school, that no reasonable individual would regard as sufficient to make an informed opinion.
The children in the Vrindavana Gurukla will not be safe until there is a functioning and credible independent system of oversight. You contributed to create an unwarranted sense that the children are safe, when in actuality you are in no way qualified or adequately informed to be reasonably able to offer such assurances. This false sense of safety, is a disservice to the children, for it has further endangered them.
Only last year a family I know informed me that they removed their children from the Vrindavana Gurukula, because they found out that children in the school are still being sexually abused. I beg that in the future, you please try to be more mindful of how you (mis)use the credibility that Krishna has given you.
In this instance you did a disservice to the protection of the Vaishnava Children in the Vrindavana Gurukula.
P.S. Bhasu Ghosh, who has stated that a girl is 'fair game after puberty' recommends reporting incidents of child abuse to Daivi Prakriti Mataji, who he says is the vice director for the Indian CPO. She was recently asked to leave the Sri Mayapur International School because she insisted on giving explicit sex education to 5 and 6 year old children.
Only last year a family I know informed me that they removed their children from the Vrindavana Gurukula, because they found out that children in the school are still being sexually abused. I beg that in the future, you please try to be more mindful of how you (mis)use the credibility that Krishna has given you.
In this instance you did a disservice to the protection of the Vaishnava Children in the Vrindavana Gurukula.
P.S. Bhasu Ghosh, who has stated that a girl is 'fair game after puberty' recommends reporting incidents of child abuse to Daivi Prakriti Mataji, who he says is the vice director for the Indian CPO. She was recently asked to leave the Sri Mayapur International School because she insisted on giving explicit sex education to 5 and 6 year old children.
PADA: Yep, it never ends with these molester messiah folks. Sulochana said people like Nrsimhananda are "boot lickers for the [children] butt busters project." Yep, wherever there is an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club, we will also find their cheer leaders, apologists, friends, associates, collaborators and so on. They work together like hand in glove, and then their children victims suffer terribly, and are given a hellish situation, and a number end up -- dead. One of the victims told me -- they are running a death cult, you have to die to get out of their clutches.
And that is what they -- evidently -- believe is fine and dandy. Sulochana said -- they are tossing children into a wood chipper -- for one reason, so they can place their pedophile pals in big seats of authority and as gurus. Sulochana also said, they worship sex with rancid a** stool butts, because that is the highest thing for them. And that is evidently why they had to get rid of him, he was on to their process. Yasomatinandan's son died early from all the abuse. And these people are not a child sacrifice cult, even sacrificing maybe their own children, never mind others?
And now they are even burying their creepy perps messiahs in samadhis. And we all know who made all this happen. We are onto your whole molester messiah project's agenda, and gradually, so are others. ys pd
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M Dasi: Happens here too. Apologists painting a rosy picture. Don't they? Do it all the time.
ReplyDeleteDon't be a fault finder prabhu. You are being offensive prabhu. You are against ISKCON prabhu. You are going to hell prabhu. Then the result is ... so many damaged children ... often whole lives have been damaged. Seen it many times.
But prabhu! I went there personally ... and all the children were dressed in nice clean dhotis. And they looked like Vaikuntha children. And that is because ... they knew you were coming. And they dressed and groomed the children up for the photo op.
How many times do they think they can fool us ... with this same rubbish?
Over here ... in my low rent neighborhood ... we have maybe 50 neighbor's dogs. One of them starts off barking ... then all of the rest join in. Whenever that happens ... it reminds me how the hounds of hell are going to sound ... when they come after all these good boys club's people. You broke it ... you own it.
The thing that makes me most happy every single day? I wake up knowing ... I am not one of them. This Nrshimhananda man does not know what happens to people who mistreat children, and he is named after Narasimha? A child abuse cult ... hiding in plain sight. Except some of us can see who you are ... and so can actual Lord Narasimha.
LD: Yah. Are they actually worshipers of pervs, or just good business men? Did they know worshiping pervs will empty out the church ... so they can make a Hindu business? Or are they just ... a pack of perv lovers? I can't decide. Hurray for us ... nothing to see here! Child molesting problems going on anywhere? We are squeaky clean.
ReplyDeleteWho believes them? They are NOW trying to give the boot to the only ... somewhat reliable CPO officer ... they have. Big "child protection" and welfare meeting in USA with ... shifty legal advisor for Chester the Molester's MAFIA, Anuttama.
What! The biggest cover up mis-manager in the whole world wide GBC maybe. Was he not being told ... about Bhakti Vidya Purna swami ... and all kinds of other child welfare disasters ... way back in the day. And it looks like ... he sat on it.
And maybe sat on all sorts of other reports and reports and reports. And for decades. And maybe he just took over for Mukunda swami ... who also sat on reports and reports. And for decades. Where is the credibility here?
Nrsimhananda ... all the kings horses and all the kings men cannot fix your broke down child protection program ... which seems to be almost always protecting the perps ... and their hit squad ... and not children. This is so pathetic. They still think they can fool all of us.
Who is even left to fool? The first generation is gone, the second generation is ... just about gone. And it seems all that is left is some Hindu collecting money "brahmanas for hire."
Oh like the brahmanas here ... who came here from Bengal. Now 10 of them are working as waiters and helpers in the Muslim meat restaurant down the street from the temple ... after they got their green card. Is this a perv lover's cult? Or is this just a business. You decide!
SD Dasi: When will the SABHA challenge the bogus samadhi of West Virginia's Bhaktipedo acharya. Sound of crickets. They never tackle the big issues.
ReplyDeleteCompromised. Have been all along. I know. These type people were giving "glowing reports of progress" about Bhaktipedo acharya in West Virginia. The West Virginia molester's movement is doing "great preaching." What the leaders said back in the day. Their reports are not worth the paper they are printed on.
What we should figure out by now ... any report made by them ... the opposite is most likely true. Sad that they send these people out to investigate ... anything.
Liar liar, pants on fire. And the whole ISKCON is on fire because of them. And the children are just incidental collateral damage. The children had to be destroyed for the greater good ... of making samadhis for Bhaktipedo. These people gave me the creeps the whole time ... and they still do. They probably cannot improve because they already sold their soul to Kali.
Bhaktipedo in samadhi. Sound of crickets. Explains everything.
AD: Another shameless Dr. Feelgood. I am ok and you are ok. No, we are not ok ... and never have been ... with your bunch. Always same thing. We looked into it ourselves ... and came out smelling like roses.
ReplyDeleteThat is not what the rest of us are smelling. These people have no conscience the whole time ... we cannot expect them to get one now. If anything ... they are doubling down on their Dr. Feelgood-iness.
People have had to die to support their bhogha-a** guru system, included ... a pile of children. It is a child sacrifice cult, because they have had to sacrifice maybe thousands of children ... to attain their ends. There are virtually nearly none of those children left here. They had to be sacrificed ... they are gone with rare exceptions.
And we are confident ... there won't be more of the same? Because ... most of the same people looking into the problems ... are still the same ones ... looking into the problems now? I want to feel confident but seriously ... who trusts any of them?
And that is why the temple is a ghost town of all these former children. They don't trust them one whit. Why would we?
Mama Bear: What a life! Every day is "hug our favorite homo and pedo guru friend's society. And kick out the protesters." What could go wrong?
ReplyDeleteI forgot. Everything that can go wrong -- will go wrong. You mean ... they don't know what could go wrong? Doubtful. They either know their program will chew up children ... like tossing them into the alligator pond, or they are so retarded they cannot figure this out.
I don't think they are that retarded. They have had to put a lot of work into making their homo and pedo guru society function. Writing all kinds of papers and reports for 40 years.
Making a homo and pedo guru system is ... in fact ... a lot of work ... and takes a lot of work ... just to be making up all their daily lies and bogus facts every day to make it work. No ... I would say ... they are not unable to figure this out.
They MUST know they are bogus and they MUST know their system is harming children ... what else can we assume? In other words ... they don't care who gets victimized ... just so they can sit in big seats and lecture at the temples ... to the ever dwindling crowds. LA temple looks like a ghost town on the web cam.