It just seems like members of the big leadership GBC / ISKCON SABHA groups and other big important leaders ... or senior people ... in a number of cases also had their OWN children suffer abuses, and yet ... instead of demanding that the leaders responsible for the abuse program be removed, they are still promoting the same leaders of the whole program, like Radhanath, Hrdayananda, Jayapataka, or even abusers like Lokanath.
I find that baffling. They did not say anything at the time of the abuse, and they never said anything up to now. It looks like a conspiracy of silence. Worse, some of the children of these leaders committed suicide, or they died prematurely from related trauma. Or they just ended up hating Krishna, because they feel like devotee parents are the worst parents anywhere. And no one notices ... this is a problem? And if we bring it up ... we get the standard vulture death glares.
GSD: I also still don't understand ... how can ISKCON leaders whose children were abused be so unconcerned about child protection.
PADA: Yep, a number of leaders had their own children abused, sometimes all of their children were abused. Yet! Hardly none of that was ever reported to the authorities, or reported to other parents so they could be on guard. Meanwhile, these "senior people" were oftentimes banning me, blocking me, removing me from their forums, having their gang members threatening violence to the little teeny woman who was running my internet provider in 1996 (as happened), if not sending their gangsters to chase me, and generally doing everything possible in stopping me from protesting, which would have saved other kids from getting sucked into their process.
Being unconcerned would have been a huge blessing, they were often actively and vociferously opposing. Unconcerned is neutral, opposing is actively defending.
MD: People should contact the SABHA group to complain about Lokanath. This is Sabha contact page. Members of this group could write them to express our concerns.
And these are the members. If you know any of them personally you may write them too.
BW: I only know two of the SABHA members personally though obviously I’ve seen a few more over the years growing up in the movement. Rukmini DD who’s child Gauravani was abused in Gurukula, and Nrsimhananda Das who’s step son took his own life after Gurukula. I couldn’t fathom them not taking a hard stance against a rubber stamp of the GBC’s decision in favor of dismissal.
PADA: Nrsinghananda was one of the people who vigorously, vehemently, and almost violently opposed me all along -- when I was bringing up these issues, such as the molesting issue. OK lets face it, he hated the people who exposed the molesting, and he has subsequently never apologized or even acknowledged the issue to me.
He is good friends with guys like -- the ISKCON lawyer -- who defended the regime, and his lawyer friend's daughter died of a drug overdose, after living a life of suffering -- complaining for one thing -- that her dad was making it impossible for her to make friends with her peers because her dad defends the molester regime.
I hate to say this is a sort of club, or conspiracy, but that is what it looks like -- as some victims told me they think it is some sort of diabolical secret society.
Another big devotee from New Vrndavan had a son. And the son told his dad he felt like he had no place to live in his own religion, and he felt there was no use in living anymore. The dad said, "Fine, if you want to be gone from here, take one of my guns." And the kid took the gun and blew his brains out under a bridge near San Francisco. That "big devotee" was always calling me names and he was upset with my expose of the regime. He was one of the "enforcers," and he just never understood the problems he was causing for others, even his own kids.
There are people who tell me this is a diabolocal Satanic child sacrifice cult, ok how did they get that idea?
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It's such a relief to be in the company of such a down to Earth, caring and warm personality. Especially after all the madness experienced in other much larger bhakti organisations where unrepentant child molesters give classes, lead kirtans and are even promoted as bonafide "good as God" gurus and acaryas.
PADA: I remember when one of these SABHA people saw me at a temple many years ago and he put his face about three inches from mine and he said to me, "You are not one of those trouble makers are you"? Maximum intimidation. Acting like he was physically threatening violence.
Of course, he already knew who I am. In other words, anyone who has objected to the child molesting project and other similar problems is "making trouble" self-evidently. Then, how did you guess, same guy complained after we helped the child molesting lawsuit. "Why didn't he take it to the leaders before going public"? Ummm, because when you confronted me -- you showed me -- I either go public, or face severe intimidation -- or worse.
Did If forget to mention they blocked my e-mails, and I got a computer form message back "your messages are not available on our server." Hee hee, so don't be a trouble maker, and don't complain about the abuse of the citizens, then they are all shocked and surprised when they get sued?
The SABHA folks have never apologized to me either, or even bothered to communicate in any way, shape or form, which means we have been correct all along, they are not interested in our concerns. I get hundreds of letters from unsatisfied customers to my blog all the time, and I post a lot of them on my blog every year, year after year, and none of the SABHA folks ever asks me about any of this. ys pd
AD: That’s their sacrifice to be able to climb the ISKCON corporate ladder. You'll have to sacrifice all of the children, even your own children. Anyone who does not agree to the child sacrifice system ... is pushed out.
ReplyDeleteThis is common in child sacrifice cults. Agreeing to sacrificing children is their test ... if you don't agree ... you are marked as an offender. Anyone who exposes the cult is ... in peril ... they don't take kindly to being exposed.
This is really like a horror movie I saw. Horrible things were happening to people in the town ... everyone knew the rotten Sheriff was part of the growing pile of bodies ... but no one wanted to speak up out of fear ... especially fear of losing their social standing in the evil society.
These SABHA people should know about the abuses of women and children because ... don't they get the same reports we all see? No ... they surely get even more reports than we all see ... they should know more than we do ... just like the rotten Sheriff. He knew more than anyone else in the town ... but he was keeping it covered up because ... he was benefitting from the whole situation. He was able to lord it over others by being the enforcer for the evil overlords.
This really is like something from a horror movie. What they don't know is ... they will be part of an actual horror movie in their next life because ... Krishna does not like child sacrificing cults. And He never will. The climbed the corporate ladder by standing on the skulls of others, crushing down the skulls of others to destroy them ... even children ... maybe even their own children.
They are actually worse than the Sheriff in the horror movie ... at least he was not promoting himself as a saintly devotee of God. The sinister movement is in my movement. At least we know who they are now.
PADA: Yes, Mother KD, when we reported on the molesting and suicides we were not very welcome whatever, and we still are not really. Clearly, many leaders must have knew about the molesting and suicides, and so must have a lot of parents.
ReplyDeleteYup. Some of their own kids were molested, or some of their kids friends were molested, or they were friends with other parents whose kids were molested and so on. And they knew that many of these kids were suffering PTSD, trauma and some were committing suicide. But they did not welcome my attempts to fix the crisis.
In other word, yes, they wanted to keep their position in that society, at the expense of ISKCON's children, even maybe expense of their own children.
Yep. How is it? The karmis knew what was going on, the courts knew what was going on, the media knew what was going on, but they did not? Agreed. That seems impossible.
Sulochana called these people the ISKCON goody two shoes sector, and Sulochana blamed them almost as equally as the leaders. He said without these compliant hangers on, sycophants, cheer leaders and Doodley do-rights, the leaders would not have been able to stand, and the molesting infrastructure would have collapsed. That is why even now the Doodley do-rights glorify departed GBC guys, but they never glorify Sulochana. He was on to their agenda, and they hated him for it. Yep, is seems like a monsterous program has been going on ... with many people unwilling to stand up and rectify the problems, even at the expense of their own kids. Agreed.
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LW: And that is why Srila Prabhupada says ... when the leaders fail to care for the citizens, they have to go to Yamaraja. They are very sinful. The ISKCON leaders did not care for the children, the women, the brahmanas, the sick, the elderly, the dying, the ISKCON farm animals, or even, for ISKCON. That is why ISKCON is splintering into spin away missions. The elites are taken care of ... not much else.
ReplyDeleteYet! The people who stayed on to support the elites DO get some of the leftover bread crumbs. And they are very attached to getting those bread crumbs ... so they defend the evil leaders down to their last breath. That is because ... they see what happens to all the neglected citizens ... they get no support or anything. So that makes the sycophants all the more clinging on. Desperation sets in.
The whole thing just turns into giant mass of corruption. It just starts to stagnate and the dirty pond water just starts to smell worse, and worse and worse. Then these elites and their sycophants make pretend they have no idea how all this mess happened. They made it happen ... and they were very forceful. Just like Sridhar Maharaja ... let us make false gurus ... and he insisted on it. That is why they went to him.
ISKCON is dismantling into spin away separated missions. Everyone left there is trying to grab a few bread crumbs before the winds of time blows everything away ... and there is nothing left of ISKCON. The real ISKCON will rise up from the people who want to serve Prabhupada ... and not serve the child molester guru fools and their SABHA support staff.
I have felt the same way myself. All this molesting ... and the parents did not know ... the seniors did not know ... the leaders did not know. That is impossible. Many knew and ... they covered it up ... even some of their own kids abuse was covered up ... so they could stand in line to get the remnant bread crumbs from the leaders. Very sick ... very sad ... but very predictable ... these Kali chelas always conduct their business this way.
What becomes of these child sacrifice society Kali chelas when they go to Yamaraja? You don't want to know.
M Dasi: Oh Jesus in heaven have mercy! These "senior" people like ... Acyutananda, Bhakti Vikas swami, Bharadhaj, Brahmananda, Danavir, Giriraj, Gopa vrndapal, Gurukripa, Hansadutta, Mahatma, Mula Prakriti, Nrsinghananda, Sruta Kirti, Tamal krishna, Rukmini, Vipramukhya ... and thousands of others like them ... are the exact same people Srila Prabhupada had been counting on, relied on, and depended on ... to keep homosexuals and pedophiles out of his guru seat! And to protect his children from abuses.
ReplyDeleteWhere were all of them when all this came down? OH NO! Were they sitting down in front of these bogus seats ... and helping along the bogus people into these seats. That is what it looks like to me. They betrayed their master ... and double, triple time betrayed his children.
And then ... when ISKCON children are being molested all over the planet ... and one of those children said there has been molesting in every nook and cranny of ISKCON ... and even when some of their own children of these very same people are molested ... and some of them commit suicide ... they remain silent to preserve the ... homosexual and pedophile guru system. They would not want to be in the bad graces of the pedophile worship system -- at least that is how it looks to me.
And maybe ... that is how it also looks to Yamaraja. This really is a plot for a horror movie. Imagine being a child in their system. And then we wonder why so many of the former children do not like the religion.
Why? They were sacrificed for the greater good of making homosexual and pedophile worship. That has been the greater good program they had to suffer horrible conditions for ... because that is their combined idea of the greater good for ISKCON.
It is a horror movie. And that is why the outside people cannot understand how it all happened either. You mean ... you were one of the zombies in the zombie movie ... and you were helping them attack the regular citizens ... even ... your own children. Horror movie ... and the worst horror movie I have ever heard about. Oh Jesus in heaven have mercy on them ... they are going to need it.
JD: Same reason they cannot get rid of Lokanath / Saint Jokernath. They will lose donations. $$$ They will lose money. They are greedy people ... or those who support greedy people. All of them are unwilling or unable to stop the greedy money changers from taking over the temple. Bad people and their supporters. Same old same old. Always there are some innocent people in the mix ... yet even innocent followers of Kauravas were made to suffer the results. --- Srila Prabhupada: The priests are after money. They are not first class; they are low-class men. This is the reason that Christianity has fallen down. The priests cannot speak straightforwardly. There is a straightforward commandment–“Thou shalt not kill.” But because people are already killing, the priests are afraid to present the commandment straightforwardly. Now they are even granting man-to-man marriage, what to speak of other things. The priests are sermonizing on this idea of man-to-man marriage. Just see how degraded they have become! Previously was there any conception like this, at least outside America? Nobody thought that a man could be married to another man. What is this? And the priests are supporting it. Do you know that? So what is their standard?
ReplyDelete- (JSD 6.5 Slaughterhouse Civilization)
PADA: Right prabhu. When I was in Los Angeles Govinda Datta's kids got out of his car, carrying school books about Jesus. I said, "You mean you are not sending YOUR KIDS to the ISKCON school"? He said, "Oh h*ll no! I don't want my kids to be molested"!
ReplyDeleteYet, in the temple he is lecturing people to surrender themselves, and their kids, to the GBC system. So his kids are kept out of the system, your kids go into the system.
And he does not care because he is making his money by being the temple's business partner. Now if you think about it, the whole Los Angeles community's leaders are doing basically the same thing .... it is a business. And if your kids get f*****d ... too bad ... it is their karma. Yep, they listened to you, that is their bad karma. So yes, they know all about it ... and Sulochana said ... they know way more than we know because they are in the belly of the beast. ys pd
KM: Obviously, a giant molesting cover up -- on all levels. Already known for centuries ... covering up the truth turns to poison:
ReplyDelete“Silence is worse; all truths that are kept silent become poisonous.” -- Friedrich Nietzsche.
The leaders knew, or should have known, and so did this one, that one, the other one, and now the finger pointing has started. That is because the liars cannot admit they lied. That simply adds to the poisoned well. The other people did not speak up! Yes. And neither did you.
Meanwhile none of this helps much for the victims. They want full accountability ... and a number of them say their parents were part of the cover up. When is everyone just going to be honest? Lies act like poison. Until the lies are all admitted to and exposed ... the poisoned well continues to make more people sick.