Doubful Gopal Das / Children Quotes / Sridhar Continued / 07 24 26

This is the actual path to liberation.

PADA: Gopal das (now deceased). He told my associate "there is only one person in the whole wide world who believes Srila Prabhupada was poisoned." Guess who that was -- PADA editor! Well sorry sir, there are many more, probably thousands more, maybe tens of thousands -- who believe Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. 

But these are the same ilk people who said -- no one believes PADA that there is a mass child abuse problem -- and so on and so forth. They just do not believe us, because they are drinking the GBC propaganda kool aid. 

In any case, Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being given poison, not PADA. They always confuse PADA's statements with Srila Prabhupada's, for some odd reason? Heard this many times, PADA is the lone wolf crying in the wilderness, no one cares what he says. 

Well fine, that simply means: the molesting issue, book changes issue, and poison issue were -- ignored by the masses. Nothing to brag about! 

Rather interesting, when we first announced the poison issue in 1997 -- Krishna Kanta, Yaduraj, Kamsahanta, and a few other "ritviks" told me not to introduce it because "we will lose our buildings in India." Then Mukunda UK started to complain that "PADA is a lunatic mad man." So these guys really did not like me forwarding the words of the acharya, and they tried to stop us -- but the truth has prevailed. Yep, buildings where homosexuals and pedophiles are worshiped "as good as God" messiahs are "your buildings." You own this hot mess. 

ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com    

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Srila Prabhupada Quotes on Child Protection

Concise takeaway:

Prabhupāda’s child‑protection teachings are clear, consistent, and extensive:
he repeatedly instructs no beating, no force, full protection, loving discipline, and emphasizes that children are Vaiṣṇavas, Vaikuṇṭha‑born, and must be treated with the highest care.

Below is the complete, sourced list of his documented child‑protection quotes, organized by theme, each beginning with a Guided Link.

Quotes explicitly forbidding physical punishment

“No physical punishment” —

“Encourage them to chant… but there is no question of force or punishment… never physical punishment is allowed.” — Letter to Aniruddha, Jan 10, 1972 “Child should not be forced” —

“Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense.” — Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha, Dec 10, 1972

Quotes emphasizing protection as a sacred duty “Children must be protected, not given freedom” —

“Child should be protected… According to Vedic civilization, a child, a woman, a brāhmaṇa, a cow, and an old man they should be given protection, not freedom.”
— Room Conversation, July 5, 1975, Chicago “Protection of children gives human 

life its best chance” —

“The protection of children gives the human form of life its best chance to prepare the way of liberty from material bondage.” — SB 1.8.5, Purport “Do not neglect this responsibility” —

“These children are Vaikuṇṭha children… we must be very careful to protect them… That is very great responsibility, do not neglect it.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

Quotes describing children as Vaiṣṇavas / Vaikuṇṭha‑born “These are Vaikuṇṭha children” — “These children are given to us by Kṛṣṇa, they are Vaiṣṇavas… These are not ordinary children, they are Vaikuṇṭha children.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

“Very fortunate children” — “All our children born of a Vaiṣṇava father and mother… are very, very fortunate.” — Lecture, Vṛndāvana, Mar 13, 1974

Quotes prioritizing child‑care over other services“Child‑worship is more important than deity‑worship” — “Child‑worship is more important than deity‑worship… If you cannot spend time with him, stop the duties of pujari.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

Quotes emphasizing loving discipline, not mechanical force“Discipline with love and affection” — “Try as far as possible to discipline them with love and affection… never physical punishment.” — Letter to Aniruddha, Jan 10, 1972 

“Voluntary, loving cooperation” — “Forcing will not make me agree… if there is love, I shall gladly do it… That is bhakti.” — Letter (Gurukula progress), 1972

Quotes stressing nutrition, health, and physical well‑being“Children must be taken care of nicely” — “Every parent wants to see that their children are taken care of very nicely… They must have sufficient milk… If they are undernourished it is not good.” — Letter to Satsvarūpa, Oct 9, 1971

Quotes on the spiritual importance of raising children“If you can make one child Kṛṣṇa conscious…” — “If you can make one child Kṛṣṇa conscious, it is a great service.” — Lecture, New Vrindaban, June 22, 1969 

“Children are our future hopes” — “Please also take care of the children. They are our future hopes… adolescent age is the most dangerous age.” — Letter to Hayagrīva, Nov 7, 1969 

“Do not lose even one Vaiṣṇava child” — "If we neglect somehow or other and if we lose even one Vaiṣṇava, that is very great loss.” — Letter to Stoka‑Kṛṣṇa, June 20, 1972

“Gurukula is our most important project” — “Gurukula is our most important project… If the children are given a Kṛṣṇa conscious education from early childhood then there is great hope for the future of the world.” — Letter, Jan 27, 1973

Quotes on parental duty and spiritual responsibility “Do not become a father unless you can protect the child” — “One should not become a father, one should not become a mother, unless they are able to protect the children from the imminent danger of death.” — Wedding lecture, Montreal, July 22, 1968 

“Raise your child in ideal Kṛṣṇa consciousness” — “You must work together with great responsibility for raising your new child in ideal Kṛṣṇa consciousness.”
— Letter to Jagadīśa, July 9, 1970 

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA CONTINUED

ND: I think you give yourself to much credit. Who would want to kill you. You deserve all our pity and prayers.

PADA: OK so after Sulochana was gone -- the FEDs came to me and said you are next, and now you are saying all this is not a problem. Sulochana getting offed and me almost getting offed is not a problem for Sridhar's people -- since people were already getting offed in the 1940s. It is a trivial problem, people getting offed.

ND: Your reply illustrates several logical inconsistencies and unsupported inferences. First, you accuse me of “mis-citing” your position, yet your own wording repeatedly shifts. At one point you insist you “never said Sridhara is responsible for all the mayhem,” but throughout your writings you repeatedly attribute the promotion of false gurus, the abuse of children, violence against dissenters, institutional corruption, and even attempts on your own life to his influence. 

Saying he was “not the sole promoter” does not materially alter the overall thrust of your argument. The distinction is largely semantic rather than substantive.

PADA: Yeah Sridhar is not the sole person responsible, but since he created false acharyas in the 1930s, he already knew that us dissenters would be in trouble, perhaps fatal trouble, if we protested his second wave of false gurus. So when he said none should protest -- I knew right away, he is making me the same target he made dissenters in the 1930s. He is placing us in danger, he placed a bull's eye on our backs, and he did.

Second, you repeatedly conflate influence with responsibility.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara is responsible, yeah, and we agree. Influence is making things happen direct or indirect, and the things that happened were mass child mistreatment, injured and deceased dissenters etc. He helped set all this in motion, just like he did in 1937. He created a Frankenstein guru in 1937, and then Sridhar became the darling "senior most advisor on the planet" to the 11. 

The 11 commonly said -- Sridhar is their senior advisor / shiksha guru etc., and he was also their position paper dictator. So yes, he was their main advisor in 1978. A person who supports something is acting, and is thus responsible for the subsequent reactions. Never mind he was still propping up Hansadutta in 1985 who was then sending his enforcers to take me out in 1986, and I would have been, without help from the FEDS.

ND: Even if Śrīdhara Mahārāja advised members of the GBC, it does not logically follow that he bears responsibility for every subsequent action those individuals took.

PADA: I never said the overall advisor is then responsible for each and every reaction, but he is generally responsible for encouraging the overall process. And he not only encouraged them, he was trying to take down our protest, so he was double acting -- supporting them and chopping out the opposition.

ND: Adults remain morally accountable for their own decisions. Advising someone does not make one legally or morally responsible for every crime, abuse, or failure committed years later.

PADA: Yes, Sridhara set the wheels in motion for the break up of the Gaudiya Matha, including offing dissenters, and Srila Prabhupada told us,it never recovered 40 years later. He made a mess in 1937 and it never recovered, Srila Prabhupada said that, it was dismantled -- and thus never recovered.

ND: Third, your argument repeatedly relies on guilt by association. Because Hansadutta or Jayatirtha visited Śrīdhara Mahārāja or respected him at one time, you infer that their later misconduct is somehow attributable to him. That conclusion does not follow. Association is not causation.

PADA: He encouraged them and told Hansadutta to remain as guru. Then Hans sent his enforcers out from New Vrndavana to remove me from the planet. Yes, he is causing this by encouraging them.

ND: Fourth, you leap from disagreement to intent. You argue that because Śrīdhara Mahārāja reportedly said “none should protest,” he therefore intended that you specifically should be injured or even killed.

PADA: Well none is no one at all, which means -- also me? How is it not also me? None means no one, that includes me for sure. How can you say none does not include me? None means no one, yes that means me. And I knew right away he was making me a target, do not protest, and I was a target.

ND: That is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. No evidence is presented that he desired, planned, encouraged, or authorised violence against you. Inferring murderous intent from a statement discouraging protest is speculation, not proof.

PADA: He already knew dissenters would be injured or offed after 1937? How did he not know I would also not be? Of course he knew I could be a victim. And I knew at the time, none should protest was making me a target, and I was. He made me a target, I knew that then.

ND: Fifth, your chronology actually weakens your conclusion. If, as you maintain, the GBC later severed ties with Śrīla Bhakti Rakṣaka Śrīdhara Mahārāja, then they evidently did not continue following his guidance.

PADA: You are not reading what I said? I said he made all the founding position papers for the GBC after 1978, which are still standing now on the GBC web sites. They did not remove any of these documents. They did not reject these documents, and there is no GBC statement that they are rejected. 

ND: One can hardly argue that the GBC simultaneously rejected him while continuing to act as his obedient agents. Those two propositions sit uneasily together.

PADA: They did not reject his position papers? Where did I say that, and where did the GBC say that? No, his transcripts are still official GBC documents NOW.

ND: Sixth, your argument is selective. Whenever a GBC decision aligns with your criticism, Śrīdhara Mahārāja is portrayed as the guiding influence. Whenever the GBC departed from him, broke relations with him, ignored his advice, or acted independently, responsibility is shifted back to the GBC.

PADA: Well he was their original cheer leader, and as I said already a number of times, they never removed his position papers transcripts from their site? So he set this in motion, and set us back by curbing our protest.

ND: This allows every negative outcome to be attributed to Śrīdhara Mahārāja while every contrary fact is treated as irrelevant. That is not a consistent standard of reasoning.

PADA: I never said he is solely responsible, but he is a contributor.

ND: Seventh, your conclusion assumes what it is trying to prove. You begin with the premise that Śrīdhara Mahārāja supported “false ācāryas,” and then use that premise as proof that everything flowing from those leaders is his responsibility. That is circular reasoning. The central claim—that his theological advice was wrong—must first be demonstrated rather than assumed.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada himself said Sridhar is responsible. Did Sridhara personally injure of take people out of their bodies himself, not what I said. I said he set all this in motion and Srila Prabhupada says he is responsible for orchestrating this process of false acharyas. And the results are attributed to the original agents who started it. And this is true even in court, the person who encouraged the crime or criminals is considered co-equal guilty.

ND: Finally, historical complexity cannot be reduced to a single explanatory thread. The post-1977 crisis involved the GBC, individual gurus, institutional culture, administrative failures, personal ambition, and many other factors. Assigning a disproportionate share of blame to one adviser oversimplifies a far more complicated history.

PADA: And the person who was advertised as the time as the senior advisor and shiksha guru helped mobilize and encourage all of these factors. I never said he was singular the cause, he contributed.

ND: Criticism of Śrīdhara Mahārāja’s advice is certainly open to debate. What is not established is the much stronger claim that he intended, authorised, or bears responsibility for every subsequent abuse, crime, institutional failure, or act of violence committed by others. Those conclusions simply do not follow from the evidence presented.

PADA: I knew right away his saying none should protest made me a target. And the FEDS called me and said, you are a target, and I was put on FED protection. I survived because the FEDS saved me from his process. I said right away he is making me a target, the FEDS confirmed that, you are a target. Sridhar has no authority to make the 1937 dissenters targets, or me. ys pd

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HENRY DOKTORSKI on Sulochana's wife's (Jamuna Seward) "new husband." 

PADA: Sulochana told me he has to get his kids out of New Vrndavana because his wife has married a child molester. No wonder he struggled mightily to get them out, and no wonder the regime had to silence him: he was right about this molester and a number of others, evidently including Kirtanananda himself. Yep, this is not the Raghunath Dasa ex-gurukuli in Hawaii.

July 24, 2023: On this date in history 3 years ago, the ISKCON Child Protection Office renders a decision on the case of Raghunath dasa (Ralph Seward) of New Vrindaban:

Yep, molester messiahs ki-jaya sir!

The decision in regards to Ralph Seward (Raghunath das)

This ecclesiastic decision defines the relationship between Raghunath das (legal name, Ralph Seward) and ISKCON New Vrindaban (INV) and its affiliates.

I. Intermediate Restrictions and Requirements for Raghunath das:
Restrictions:

As of July 24, 2023, Raghunath das is prohibited from entering the properties of ISKCON New Vrindaban and its affiliates and/or attending all INV events and activities, and those of its affiliates, either in person or virtually (online), until the following requirements are completed.

Requirements:

1. Raghunath das must obtain a psychological evaluation that includes determining any risk he may present to children by a professional approved by the Child Protection Office (CPO).

2. If therapy/counseling is recommended by the professional performing the psychological evaluation, Raghunath das must continue to see the therapist, as long as the therapist requires, and comply with all actions recommended by the therapist/counselor. The therapist must be one who is approved by the CPO.

3. Raghunath das must submit proof of complying with the above requirements to the temple president of INV, and the Director of the CPO, including results of the psychological evaluation and, if recommended, reports from the therapist/counselor regarding any ongoing counseling or therapies.

4. Raghunath das is responsible for all costs related to fulfilling the above requirements.

5. Raghunath das must write a letter of apology to the victims and submit it to the CPO for distribution.

When Raghunath das submits verification of compliance with all of the above requirements, and the INV temple president, the local GBC, and the CPO all confirm in writing he has satisfied all of the requirements, INV will evaluate the information and determine whether the above restrictions will remain, be removed or adjusted.

II. Permanent Lifetime Restrictions and Requirements for Raghunath das:

1. Raghunath das cannot lead public worship or perform Brahminical/priestly services at INV, and its affiliates, including (but not limited to) Deity worship, going on the altar, performing arati, leading kirtan, giving class, offering a garland to Srila Prabhupada’s murti, performing abhishek or speaking at any event hosted by INV or its affiliates.

2. Raghunath das cannot represent INV or its affiliates in any capacity, hold a leadership or managerial role, or position of trust within ISKCON New Vrindaban or its affiliates, including (but not limited to) temple president, Board member, advisor, or other management position.

3. Raghunath das cannot be named on any legal documents where he is representing INV or its affiliates in any way or signing on their behalf.

4. Raghunath das cannot interact with any children while visiting any INV or its affiliates’ properties (except those children who are his family members). Children are defined as anyone under 18 years of age.

5. Raghunath das is prohibited from entering any INV or its affiliates buildings or properties used for a school, daycare, or other project where educating or caring for children is the primary function.

6. Raghunath das cannot attend any INV or its affiliates functions, gatherings, or events, if a participant expresses to INV’s management or Board member or its affiliates’ Board member or management that they are uncomfortable with his presence. This includes attendance/participation both in person and virtually (online). Raghunath das must leave the function immediately when instructed by 

INV or affiliates’ management or Board member.

7. No gathering, function, or event supported, sponsored, facilitated, or promoted by INV, its representatives, or affiliates can be held at Raghunath das’ home or on any property owned, rented, or otherwise overseen by Raghunath das. This prohibition of INV’s and its affiliates' involvement extends to any gathering, function or event organized, in part or in whole, by Raghunath das, held at any location, including virtually (online).

8. Raghunath das cannot stay overnight or reside in any building or property owned by INV or its affiliates.

9. Any previous CPO restrictions placed on Raghunath das, if not covered in this decision, still apply. He can write to the CPO for clarification should he need it.
If Raghunath das violates any of the above restrictions/requirements, he will be permanently prohibited from entering all the properties of INV, and its affiliates, and attending all INV events and activities, and those of its affiliates, either in person or virtually (online). On behalf of ISKCON New Vrindaban

July 24, 2023

Jaya Krsna das, Temple President
Sarah Ferrer, Child Protection Volunteer
Anuttama Das, GBC

Varaha Mims / Raghunath / Sridhara Defender 07 23 26

Varaha Mims: RE Raghu John Giuffre Rg

Thank you PADA, I appreciate it. This has taken time for me to be able to open up publicly about the abuse that I went through as a result of my so called friendship with John Jeffery, Ragunath. Ragunath says there's no truth to my side of the story. But he has sexually assaulted me.

There were no witnesses present so it's his story against mine. From what I understand and from what I've been told from people who knew him when he lived in New Vrindavan as a youth studying under Bhaktipada -- he would a recruit other youth to be sexually exploited and abused by the Iskcon so called Guru. 

If he was taught to do this as a youth by Keith Ham, then what other weird habits has he learn from this unfortunate stay in Iskcon's notorious child abusing centers known as Gurukuls. 

So yes he is originally a disciple of His Divine Grace, AC Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabupad. But he spent way more time associating with Bhaktipada and his crew.
So the evidence speaks for itself. I am a victim, he is a weird predator.

And anyone who claims otherwise by supporting him most likely has their hand in weirdness or was misinformed. He spent a early little part of his life with a bona fide spiritual teacher. After that -- his karma changed and led him to becoming a notorious pedophile's Recruiter. And he exploited me.

As for me -- I apologize to the world community. And anyone who is affected by my action. Violence has a certain place in time to be appropriate. It was un-appropriate for me to return days after being sexually assaulted and react the way I did. 

Varaha Mims aka Vasudam

PADA: Sorry is John Jeffrey, the same as Raghu John Giuffre? Is he using different names? Very sorry to hear what happened.

Vasu Mims

Same person, i'm not sure if I spelled his name wrong or not. But those are the names that he goes by.

PADA: OK normally no one just tries to hack up another person without any preliminary cause. I get that. I always felt there is more to the story that you attacked him so violently. 

I do feel like Raghunath has some similar issues regarding the gurukula abuse, and perhaps is the cause of your attacking him. When I advertised his name with the Windle Turley lawsuit, some other kulis complained to me "why are you advertising that guy, he was a GBC monitor who was cruel to us, and he helped the evil program." At the same time, he did help the case to his credit, which helped others.

But it looks like he made more than a few enemies in that gurukula program, other than yourself. Of course now it is "he said, you said, he said." He will likely defend himself from your complaints. I also know that your entire Mims family suffered a lot already, and there has been some tragic situations within your family, so the whole Hare Krishna life has not been kind to your family. 

As for Raghunath himself, I think he has struggled a lot as well, so there is no actual winner here. He may have been one of the GBC's "classroom monitors" who was coerced by the GBC people to act badly with the other kids. I have heard that type of thing also went on with Niragadeva and other "monitors." And these monitor guys may have over stepped their positions with other children, and exploited them. Very reasonable to expect that happened. 

So it is a little like when the evil prison guards force the prisoners to beat one another up. This is very cruel, especially when done with children. Niragadeva ended up suffering a lot too, he ended up very bitter and distraught over the whole mess. Same thing, if I show any sympathy to him, his victims are not happy. And I cannot blame them one iota.

So who do I believe here? I believe both of you suffered a lot of evil. And it manifested when you tried to take him out. But I consider both of you to be victims. Having said that, the classroom monitors still are going to have to take at least some responsibility for their actions at some point, this life or the next, even if they were coerced. 

The monitors were generally the older kids, so they had a higher level duty to protect the younger ones. But I know there are special circumstances where they felt compellled to act badly. Having heard what happened to so many kid victims in these gurukulas, I am frankly not surprised entirely that it ended up with this violent incident. I am surprised at one thing -- there is not a lot more violent incidents, truth be told. 

But as I tried to say, there are no winners here except maybe it appears -- the GBC. They orchestrated hell on earth for you kids, and it almost looks like they were rewarded with millionaire lifestyles. But they won't get away with this, they will have to pay as well. 

Anyway I am glad you finally wanted to have your side of the story heard. Lets hope it will help you and Raghu heal this situation, put all this behind you, bury the hatchet so to speak, and move on with both of your lives. I feel terrible for what happened to all of you guys. 

And I even feel bad for the GBC guys who made all of this happen to Krishna's kids. Because they have no idea what depths of hell they are going to encounter for helping harm one single hair on just one of these kids, including you and Raghu, and for how many eons of time they will stay in those depths, for their role in orchestrating all this. You could say they are doomed to rot in hell for eternity, or something close to it. And I feel bad they have had to come to that state.

In any case, I wish you and Raghu all the best for the future. What happened to you guys should never have happened to either one of you. We, as a society, failed you guys, we also failed your family as a whole, and this is the unsavory result, and that is all there is to it. I wish you, and him, can find peace with Krishna at this stage of things. 

All this being said, we are all highly conditioned / contaminated souls who are trying to connect with Krishna, who is the Supreme pure. There are going to be a lot of problems when the supreme contaminated is trying to mix with the Supreme Pure, and there will be lots of misrepresentation, exploiting, cheating, false pure devotees, predators of all types, violence and all the rest of it. 

Our only hope is to try to hang on and hope we eventually get some mercy from the Supreme being. I believe Srila Prabhupada was poisoned to make a path for these exploiters to become gurus. And if he was poisoned, then there is going to be a lot of severe karma reactions for everyone, including the entire planet. 

And if the poisoners sabha then takes over his society, we have to expect all sorts of anomalies and catastrophic events to unfold, and they have. At the same time, having any connection to Krishna is way better than none. So we have a mixed blessing, we have some positive connection to Krishna, and at the same time unfortunately, some connection to the people who will kill Krishna's pure devotees, and cause hell for us. 

Is it our karma? I cannot say. The ways of the Lord are a mystery, even Yuddhisthira was in shock seeing all the dead bodies after Kurukshetra, what to speak of us lowly peons. Anyway, I wish you and Raghunath well, and hope we can all heal to some extent and move along on the path to Krishna.

Thanks for writing me and keep well. 

 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA VS PADA 

ND: You write as though you alone possessed perfect foresight while everyone else—including Śrīla Prabhupāda, the GBC, and senior Vaiṣṇavas—failed to see what only you could see. When I challenged you previously, you even claimed you had this vision from the age of eight.

PADA: Well yeah at the age of eight I already knew Sridhara's illicit behavior gurus are bogus.

ND: If your discernment was truly that extraordinary, why didn’t you identify the future child abusers, murderers, armed criminals, drug users, and other dangerous individuals to Śrīla Prabhupāda while he was physically present? If you genuinely foresaw all of this, why not prevent the catastrophe before it unfolded?

PADA: I am not Srila Prabhupada's boss. In any case I never said I was perfect, this is a straw man argument. Anyway yeah, Srila Prabhupada did know that these guys are trouble, he made numerous comments on how badly the GBC guys are. In the end he said they are giving him poison. He knew more than anyone what kind of situation he was dealing with. There would have been no need for me to have reminded him, poisoners, envious of guru etc, are evil men.  

That question was put to you, and you never answered it. Now to your latest claim.

PADA: I did answer it, I am not Srila Prabhupada's boss. And he did know they were up to no good. I never said he did not know they were up to no good. 

You write: “Śrīdhara was told people like me were protesting.” Thank you. You have just demonstrated my point. He was told. You were not present in the conversations. You were not part of the discussions between the GBC and Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja. You are relying on transcripts and your interpretation of them.

PADA: Well if I am protesting and none should protest, he is talking about me and no one else?

ND: But transcripts never tell the whole story. They do not capture every discussion before or after, every nuance, every qualification, or every circumstance.

PADA: "None" is all inclusive, no nuance there, none = no one = me.

ND: More importantly, knowing what we now know about some of the leadership of that period, is it impossible that they presented the situation to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja in a way that suited their own agenda?

PADA: Sridhar never asked to review the appointment tape, we did. He never even bothered to authenticate their claims, we did, and that is why he made us a target.

ND: After all, this is the same institution that later became embroiled in scandals involving child abuse, violence, financial misconduct, and other serious failures. It is also an institution that has been willing to revise and edit Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books, leading to decades of debate among devotees. Given that history, why do you assume every representation made to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja was complete and accurate?

PADA: I never said it was accurate, I said he fell for false information, he drank the GBC kool aid, and then tried to throttle us back from finding the real information.

ND: Then you say: “I have posted these events dozens and dozens of times.” That does not strengthen your argument. It demonstrates an obsession with discrediting a Vaiṣṇava who left this world many years ago. Repeating an accusation hundreds of times does not transform it into proof.

PADA: It means your claim I was silent is false.

ND: You then introduce Hansadutta into the discussion. Again, where is your evidence that Hansadutta’s later behaviour—his guns, alcohol, criminal conduct, or other deviations—was caused by or carried out under the instruction of Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja? Correlation is not causation.

PADA: Same evidence, Hansadutta played the tapes of his conversations with Sridhara saying he should remain a guru. Even Hansadutta said, Sridhara telling me to continue to be guru is THE WORST ADVICE anyone ever gave him.

ND: You cannot simply attach every failure of former ISKCON leaders to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja without producing clear evidence. That is not history. It is guilt by association.

PADA: Hansadutta told us what Sridhara said, stay on as guru, and he had tapes, and his crew members told me the same thing.

ND: And let us remember one undeniable historical fact. It was Śrīla Prabhupāda himself who repeatedly glorified Śrīla Bhakti Rakṣaka Śrīdhara Mahārāja, praised his spiritual depth, sought his association, and entrusted him with significant responsibilities in the Gauḍīya mission.

PADA: He told us not to ever visit Sridhar after Himavati came back crying, saying they were making offenses at Sridhara's Matha. And we never did go there.

ND: So I return to the question I have asked from the beginning. Was Śrīla Prabhupāda speaking with a forked tongue?

PADA: No, he said this man ruined the Gaudiya Matha, and that is correct.

ND: Or are you selectively accepting only those statements that support your narrative while dismissing everything else he said about Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja? History deserves better than selective quotation. Vaiṣṇavas deserve better than perpetual vilification. And Lord Caitanya’s mission deserves better than endless attempts to rewrite the spiritual legacy of one of the most respected disciples of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura.

PADA: A person who makes bi-sex deviators into acharyas, and endorses 11 more deviators into acharyas is respected in India, ok, but not here, Westerners do not approve of debauchee acharyas. 

Hansadutta told Sridhara Maharaja he is drinking Vodka, taking percodans, and is having affairs with half dozen females. And Sridhara told him, there is only one thing to do -- stay in the Vyasa or the disciples will be disturbed. Again same thing, at age 8 -- I already knew that this is not the qualification of an acharya. 

The historical context is, I am saying intoxicated womanizers are not acharyas, and someone is saying I am wrong to protest. One of the intoxicated womanizers goes direct to Sridhara for "advice," and is told to stay in the Vyasa. None of this has anything to do with Lord Chaitanya or the parampara. 

Worshiping drunken womanizers is not the process. A person who endorses drunken womanizers as God's successor has no idea who is God and who is His succesor, and I knew that at age 8. 

One of the hubands of those Hans harem women was going to take out Hansadutta, and I stopped him from going to the farm and taking Hansadutta's life. Hansadutta thanked me by sending three enforcers from New Vrndavana here to take me out of my body, Sridhara's advice was causing me to leave my body untimely, the FEDS had to save me. And the same fate happened to other dissenters in 1940s. He is a danger to me and others, and children. Anyone who is trying to orchestrate fanatics to make me leaving my body by force is not an authorized spiritual person. 

I alleged that Jayatirtha is falling, and he was. And Sridhara supported him. And Hansadutta is falling, and he was, and Sridhara supported him. And this is all verified with me seeing the transcripts and hearing Hansadutta's tapes, as well as Hansadutta's top people who went there with him to Sridhar. As well as a number of sannyasas who went to Sridhara under Ramesvara in 1978-9. 

I need to verify that they were failing, when it is public info? I need to verify that children were suffering when I sued Sridhara's gurus for $3M and later for $400M fo mistreating children, and we won both times? I need to verify he supported a false guru in 1937 which resulted in dissenters being eliminated, when this was told to us a number of times by Prabhupada, and Narayan Maharaja agreed that dissenters had been dispatched in the 1940s. 

And that means Sridhara knew a dissenter like me could end up being dispatched as well. And he still stood by the false leaders and not us dissenters, telling us not to protest, makes me a target and I was. I was saved by the FEDS. This is not my personal recollection, this is all documented in Monkey On A Stick books and movies. But even if it is only my personal recollection, I know when people are out to exterminate me, and it is not your call to tell me I am right or wrong, you are not me. 

My kids grew up thinking I was going to be offed, were they in illusion? Or was Sridhar in illusion thinking there was no problem? My kids grew up thinking I was going to be offed by the guru program Sridhar supported, and they were in illusion and had no verified evidence to think that way, when my associates were being placed into hospitals with broke bones and -- the morgue. 

And never mind all the problems the children had, which you guys do not think was verified, but they were taking their lives and this is well known. But yeah, a person trapped in an alcohol soaked body like Hansadutta, should not be told to go back and sit in a Vyasa. There was a giant photo of Hans with Sridhara in the Berkely temple front hallway for years, we all saw it. You say this is not verified, what difference does that make to me? I saw it myself. 

I saw the Vodka bottles in the car. I was holding back a husband from going to take Hans out. I lived this stuff. It may be verified or not verified, it is my life and I lived it. You were not there, my kids were, they know how this all went down, and so do their peers. 

Sridhara taught that a Vodka soaked guy having affairs with half dozen women should go back to the Vyasa, and that is only one example of the problems found in his statements and transcripts. He said none should protest, he knows us dissenters can be targets for elimination, and he was helping the people who wanted me eliminated. 

He has no authority to help the people who want me eliminated. Sridhara did not have to teach immorality direct, he rubber stamped immoral people as acharyas and they did the job under his enabling. Yeah you are right, they wanted me released from my body, they wanted me eliminated. And that enabled all the child mistreatment. You got it. I am obsessed with taking them down, no they are obsessed with taking me down, and according to the codes of Manu Samhita, I have a right to defend myself from people who want me eliminated, as Srila Prabhupada says, even a rabbit has the right to run from the tiger. 

ND: You continue to repeat the same allegations, adding another anecdote or recollection each time, but repetition is not evidence.

PADA: They showed me the transcripts, which are still available on the Sridhar sites?

ND: The central weakness in your argument remains unchanged: you repeatedly confuse association with responsibility.

PADA: Sridhara is their cheer leader, not their associate. And he is blocking us from protesting.

ND: Take Jayatirtha, for example. You speak as though you alone discerned that he was falling. The historical record tells a different story. Jayatirtha was removed by the GBC in 1982 because his conduct had become known. That was not because of your private warnings no matter how much you want to take credit! The GBC flat out refused to listen to you remember!

PADA: Sridhar did not listen to me? He backed them, not me. Yeah by 1982 then everyone had to admit I was right, he was fallen and not a guru. That means Sridhara had no authority to promote a fallen person as acharya.

ND: Having nowhere else to go, he sought shelter with Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja.

PADA: They were already with Sridhar. He was a founder father of the Jayatirtha guru problem.

Showing compassion to a fallen man who has lost everything is not the same as endorsing his misconduct.

PADA: Showing compassion would mean, tell Hans and Jayatirtha to quit being guru frauds.

ND: To care for a spiritually broken person is not to approve of the actions that caused his downfall.

PADA: Acharyas do not fall down and become spiritually broken intoxicated womanizers, this is an aparadha to acharyas. Sridhar already approved of them and then said none should protest.

Otherwise Srila Prabhupada would be guilt of a greater sin!

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said they are gurus.

ND: The same reasoning applies to Hansadutta. You argue that because Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja met with him or advised him, he therefore endorsed everything Hansadutta did before or afterwards. That is a classic post hoc fallacy.

PADA: He told Hansadutta to stay in the Vyas, when he was deviating. That is endorsing him, and that is cheating the public and his followers.

ND: Simply because one event precedes another does not mean it caused it. Meeting someone, counselling them, or attempting to help them does not make one morally or legally responsible for every subsequent action that person takes.

More broadly, your argument rests on a false cause fallacy.

PADA: Hansadutta told me Sridhar's advice was making him want to take his life and leave his body, Sridhar was forcing him to act as guru.

ND: Virtually every tragedy that befell post-1977 ISKCON—guru falldowns, child abuse, violence, murders, psychological abuse and institutional failures—is ultimately attributed to one elderly Vaiṣṇava who neither appointed the eleven zonal gurus nor exercised executive authority over ISKCON.

PADA: He was advertised as the GBC advisor and he ghost wrote their documents. I never said he is fully to blame, but he is implicated. He was a co-conspirator.

ND: That ignores the actual individuals and governing body who made the appointments, administered the institution, and possessed the authority to act.

It is also an extreme oversimplification of history.

PADA: It is simple, he was their ghost writer, cheer leader, advisor and enabler.

ND: The difficulties experienced by ISKCON after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance involved hundreds of leaders, countless decisions, and decades of institutional developments. To reduce all of that to the slogan, “Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja caused it,” is not historical analysis. It is an attempt to explain an enormously complex period through a single convenient scapegoat. You repeatedly refer to “Śrīdhara’s gurus,” but they were not his gurus. They were ISKCON’s - Srila Prabhupada’s appointed zonal ācāryas before they ever sought his counsel.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never appointed any acharyas, this is a myth. This is "the big lie" and you are still repeating it. There is also no such thing as a zonal acharya, this is another Sridhar concoction.

I also never said he was the sole cause, I said he was their co-enabler, and he was. And if I am protesting intoxicated womanizing gurus and child mistreatment, he has ZERO authority to tell me to stand down. 

There is no evidence? OK that is what they said at the start of all this? I said Jayatirtha is not a guru, I said the children are being mistreated, the Sridhara people told me to shut the heck up because "there is no evidence." 

They always say that? That is why we had to take the gurus endorsed by Sridhara to court for $3M and $400M, the courts believed me, these guys do not. What can I say? Sridhar was not named in court means nothing, he was their number one cheer leader in 1978 and he is responsible for being that. He was the number one cheer leader of the false 1937 guru. 

Yes, Sridhara told Jayatirtha he was a guru, and then JT was taking karma, and that is how he went down so badly. We are forbidden to take karma, and Sridhara was telling Hans and Jayatirtha to be gurus -- and that means take karma, and that took them down. 

I am sorry that you keep referring to Sridhar's transcripts and tapes as "my personal experience." I was not even there when these were made? I referenced them later on because they became public info posted by the Sridhara people themselves on their sites, and the Hansadutta tapes were played to me by Hansadutta and his people at the time. 

None of this is my anything, I am simply repeating what was said by Sridhar. It is amazing that you think statements made by Sridhar are my personal memories, this is a record of what he said, not me? ys pd

Sorry, the cheer leaders, defenders, advocates, position paper ghost writers, hand maiden helpers, nomenclature designers of "the acharya of the zone" etc. are creating a situation. And they are liable for the results. The defense lawyers for the mob are responsible for the activities of the mob, it is called collectve karma. Sridhar was still propping up Hansadutta as an acharya even when Hansautta told him he was a drunken womanizer. "Stay in the guru seat." Simultaneously, Sridhara is saying none should protest so he can chop off our protest. 

That defended them. Yes, one event produces another, a chain reaction. Same thing Sridhara did in 1937, he promoted a false guru and dissenters were severely injured and some died, and Srila Prabhupada says "Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for violating the order of Guru Maharaja." That means he is responsible for those injuries and departures from those injuries. He created this situation. So is he responsible? Yes, he is. 

There is a direct link between the defenders of criminals and the criminal actions of the criminals. Sridhara Maharaja is responsible, and his statements were cited by them over and over and over, and his GBC ghost wrote position papers are still loaded on the GBC site as authorized documents now. We know what he meant, he supported them, and supported Jayatirtha and Hansadutta even after it was known they were deviation. There is a direct link between the legal advocates for the mob and the actions of the mob, because one is propping up the other. 

And this is why Srila Prabhupada says, all the defenders of Ravana were taken out along with Ravana, because they are co-equal parts of the problem. Meanwhile, to be proud that no one listened to me when I reported child mistreatment means, you are one of the cover up crew yourself. 

Why are you proud Sridhar and no one else listened and thousands of kids were vitcimized as a result? "No one listened to you," is not a badge of honor when thousands of kids were victims subsequently. And there is some current horror story coming out of Australia now, see what I mean? Once this machine is set into motion, and Sridhara is pushing the buttons, then it becomes as you say, a vicious circle. ys pd

Gita Changes / Rupanuga Continued 07 22 26

Locan Ananda Das

THE ROD OF CHASTISEMENT IS GONE!!!

One of my favorite verses in the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is was once found in Chapter 10, verse 38:

"Among punishments I am the rod of chastisement, and of those who seek victory, I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am wisdom." (B.g. 10.38, original)

Chapter 10 is entitled, "The Opulence of the Absolute" wherein Krishna enumerates some of His extraordinarily splendorous manifestations. On August 12, 1976, Srila Prabhupada was having an evening darshan in Tehran, the capital and largest city in Iran. He was talking about how ordinary people know little about the greatness of God. "They say, 'God is great,' but how great? That they do not know." Srila Prabhupada then asked his secretary at the time, Harikesa dasa, to read selected verses from the Bhagavad-Gita, beginning with Chapter 10, verse 20:

"I am the Self, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings." (B.g. 10.20)

Harikesa prabhu continued to read through the verses that followed, the chapter ending with verse 42:

"But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge. With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe." (B.g. 10.42)

When he finished the reading, Srila Prabhupada said, "That's it. This is greatness. So we should not simply be satisfied 'God is great.' We must try to know how great He is. Then our God consciousness will be fixed up. It's all right?"
Atreya Rsi prabhu responded: "It's very beautiful."

So, in the course of that reading by his secretary, Srila Prabhupada heard the translation of verse 10.38 which included the phrase "the rod of chastisement." Not on any occasion did he ever object to that choice of words because it perfectly reflected his deepest understanding of this opulence of the Lord. It was his prerogative, and no one else's, as the empowered emissary of the Personality of Godhead, to choose the wording of this verse. This was Srila Prabhupada's language, and as he himself often said, he had to weigh every word carefully because he was describing the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Whom there is no imperfection.

Next, take a look at the original purport to verse 10.38 written by Srila Prabhupada, which begins with: "There are many suppressing agents, of which the most important are those that cut down the miscreants. When miscreants are punished, the rod of chastisement represents Krishna...." (B.g. 10.38, original purport).

I take it as my responsibility to bring to the attention of the devotee community to what extent this verse has been tampered with. That phrase, "the rod of chastisement", which so clearly expressed Srila Prabhupada's appreciation of the opulent attributes of the Lord delineated in Chapter 10, was removed, both from the verse and from the purport, by an irresponsible editorial department. 

Keep in mind that His Divine Grace never asked anyone to re-edit his Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. In fact, in the Introduction to the Bhagavad-Gita, he wrote:
"In the present day, man is very eager to have one scripture, one God, one religion, and one occupation. So, let there be one common scripture for the whole world -- Bhagavad-Gita..." This statement was made in reference to the original edition of the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. It did not point to or include any later version of his work that he had not specifically authorized.

I did a little research online and found the revised translation of 10.38 as it now appears in the heavily edited book published and in print since 1983. Here is the revised translation of the verse:

"Among all means of suppressing lawlessness I am punishment, and of those who seek victory I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am the wisdom." (B.g. 10.38, edited version)

The purport begins with, "There are many suppressing agents, of which the most important are those that cut down miscreants. When miscreants are punished, the agency of chastisement represents Krishna." (B.g. 10.38, revised purport)

Personally, I saw no need to make any changes to this verse or purport. It had been perfectly composed. In fact, I found that the revisions made the verse and purport both incomprehensible and meaningless. In addition, I would never change a single word in our scripture without the direct approval of the author. That policy is called arsa-prayoga, and it guarantees that the spiritual head of our institution would never be dishonored by headstrong, insensitive disciples acting independently to "improve" what was already perfect.

Srila Prabhupada was recognized as a great Sanskrit scholar. His depth of knowledge was unfathomable. With this in mind, the phrase "rod of chastisement" had a much deeper significance which the editors could not comprehend. I just scratched the surface by doing a little research and found a site online called Wisdom Library where this phrase was further explained in greater depth. There, it was stated that:

"In Vedic culture, the 'rod of chastisement' symbolizes a king's authority to uphold righteousness, enforce laws, and administer punishment, ensuring order and discipline among subjects, while representing the moral duty inherent in leadership."

Other scriptural references to the "rod of chastisement" include:

The Ramayana of Valmiki:

1) A metaphorical weapon symbolizing Rama's intended punishment against Ravana for his sins.

The Mahabharata:

1) A metaphor for punishment, which should not be used against harmless creatures.

2) Symbolizes the authority and responsibility of the Kshatriya to enforce law and order.

3) A symbolic implement representing the authority to enforce moral order, passed down through various divine entities.

It should be obvious that due to a poor fund of knowledge, and being infected with the urge to sidestep the authority of Krishna's pure devotee, many unwarranted changes were made to his books posthumously which should never have been allowed.

I thank the readers for having patiently read this essay. Please share it with others to help get the word out. Arsa-prayoga is the way to go. The original books of the most superior acarya are the way to learn what is true and what is eternal. So remember these prophetic words:

"Let there be one common scripture for the whole world -- the original Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada."

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RUPANUGA CONTINUED:

Host: So let me get this straight. You are saying that ritvik is bunk, but you are saying that no one needs to be initiated anymore because Prabhupāda’s words are there in his books, which are nondifferent from him in some sense.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: That is what he said.

Host: Okay. Because I know one time someone asked Śrīla Prabhupāda — I think it was a reporter — “What will your disciples do after you leave?”

He said, “I shall live forever in my books.” And what did he say? “You shall utilize,” or something like that. So I am just trying to understand the difference between ritvik being not really appropriate or real, in that sense, but at the same time, you do not have to take initiation because you are already initiated by Prabhupāda’s books.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda— They hang everything on the word “henceforward.”

PADA: Except, the July 9th "henceforward" letter was not visible or even known to most devotees early on, nor was the May 28th tape, the will, the letters, the 1977 conversations and etc. In 1978 we did not "hang" everything -- or actually anything -- on the July 9th letter at the outset, because we did not have it. 

Nor was the letter even being discussed openly anywhere that I am aware of. This is called re-writing history, "everyone was discussing henceforward" when -- actually -- no one was. The Rupanuga GBC hid all these tapes and documents.   

Personally I did not need them. Srila Prabhupada had ALREADY said, hundreds (if not thousands of times) after I am gone -- make a Governing Body (proxies) and not gurus. Do not change anything (like the ritvik initiation program) -- none of that was important to the GBC and Rupanuga? 

That is when they started their idea, worship of pure devotees is temporary, worship of deviants and pedophiles -- is eternal. That was never stated anywhere, nor does it even make sense.

There are hundreds of quotes where Srila Prabhupada also says -- the acharya must be an utttama level, a pure devotee, gurus are not appointed, gurus do not fall down, and so on. What is interesting is that Rupanuga's GBC hid all these tapes and letters, and it was Sulochana and me who helped bring them out, in the mid-1980s. How was everyone "hanging on" to the words of these documents, that were not even being distributed or discussed? Or known widely?

And that is how and why we became targets for assassination, we were forwarding these lost documents and exposing the Rupanuga guru process as bogus. Now that we had to literally risk our lives in liberating these documents, "everything hangs on these documents." You guys hid these documents, we were not even discussing these documents right after 1978. 

Everyone was hanging on to the words in hidden documents -- which people were actually killed for distributing and liberating? Why weren't these documents readily available in the first place? People were all hanging on to unknown documents?

Nope! Everything hangs on you guys lying that your 11 bogus gurus had been appointed -- and then banning, beating and killing people who dissented, some of whom were murdered, when they found the actual documents in question.

Almost no one even knew about the "henceforward" idea until LONG AFTER we found these lost documents. Meanwhile people like me always -- ALL ALONG -- thought that Srila Prabhupada would continue to be the acharya, even in 1978, with no further documents needed. His books, his murtis, his temples, his devotees, all of the above should continue as his worshipers. 

If Srila Prabhupada had made a clear directive on May 28th 1977 that he was appointing 11 gurus, and that worship of pure devotees is temporary and worship of conditioned souls -- if not pedos -- is eternal, why was this not announced at the time? Why were all the documents hidden? 

Speaking of which, Rupanuga was told specifically to guard against the influence of BR Sridhar Maharaja, and the Rupanuga GBC all ran off to BR Sridhara Maharaja and made him the new shiksha guru of ISKCON. Rupanuga went along with that gang. 

I never thought anyone ELSE is going to be worshiped in ISKCON, ever. And then the Rupanuga program forwarded their replacement acharyas -- drunks, debauchees, illicit sex deviants, predators, sex fiends, porno swamis, homos, pedos, drug addicts -- even atheists -- as ISKCON's gurus "henceforward." 

There is no order for ANYONE to worship these deviated conditioned souls as gurus then or henceforward. Rupanuga NEVER SHOWS US the documented evidence that we were supposed to replace the worship of the acharya with the worship of his illicit sex fiend pals? 

Host: Right.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: That from that time on, everyone who is initiated will be my disciple. That is not what Śrīla Prabhupāda meant. That was henceforward, while he was still here.

PADA: That is not stated anywhere. Srila Prabhupada never said I shall only be worshiped as the acharya temporarily, until Rupanaga can concoct his homosexual and pedophile pals into being the next acharyas. Srila Prabhupada never said his worship would be temporary, EVER. Nor has Rupanuga EVER shown where he says it will be temporary. Nor has Rupanuga EVER shown where worship of conditioned souls is authorized. EVER!

Yes! Henceforward means from now on, hence and forward. It does not mean do this is on a temporary basis. And henceforward also means -- all bhogha should be offered to the acharya. Srila Prabhupada never said -- offer bhogha to Rupanuga's homosexuals and pedophiles messiahs -- anywhere! 

I forgot, offering food to pedophiles spreads the pedophile mentality beeja, and helped create a haven for pedophiles, as happened. As one gurukuli told us "there were pedophiles in every nook and cranny of ISKCON." Yeah, and we all know how they got there. 

Rupanuga cannot even change the mundane karmi laws and rules that are "henceforward." "Henceforward the speed limit is 35 miles and hour." Rupanuga gets pulled over going 55, and he says to the cops, I thought the 35 henceforward was temporary, so I am going 55. There was no order to change it?

Nope! It is not temporary -- unless it is specifically stated somewhere, and there is no change to that henceforward statement ever made anywhere. Nor do normal people think the speed limit henceforward is temporary, it is hence and forward indefinite time. From now on! No change was ever ordered or implemented.

Host: Okay. I can follow that.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: See?

Host: That is what I think too.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Not after he disappeared, that the same principle would apply. “Henceforward” means “from now on.” But that did not mean forever. There are two different things. “Forever” and “from now on” are two different things. “Forever” is clear. It means to go on without stopping. It is eternal. But “henceforward” was like, “From now on, while I am with you, I am deputing these men to take disciples on my behalf.” 

That did not mean anything more. He did not say that the succession is going to change, that after I die there are no successors, and everybody has to be initiated to me. He never said that. 

PADA: What he said is, Rupanuga should appoint his homosexual and pedophile pals as the successors. Where does he say that?

He appointed these eleven people as regular gurus. 

PADA: Correct, a regulated devotee / priest / sadhaka / or brahmana is called a ritvik, he follows the regulations. A regulated devotee is a sadhaka and not a self realized soul. Nor can a regulated neophyte take the post of acharya, take sins, give pure divyam jnanam etc. 

Of course Rupanuga's team selected homosexuals and pedophiles as their messiahs and not even regulated people. Rupanuga keeps asserting that these people were regulated "regular" (sadhaka) gurus, but they were having illicit sex with men, women and children. Where is the regulation? They were regulated devotees? Nope!

This is a myth, they were falling down left and right, and could not follow the basic kanistha regulations. Rupanuga just piles one lie on top of the next. Of course even a regulated neophyte CANNOT take the post of another Jesus and absorb sins, even if he follows the basic sadhana. 

Now Rupanuga says Kalakantha can make more gurus, while most of their previous gurus have already fallen and blooped. They have not fixed their original first problem, making conditioned souls into acharyas. And yet they want to make more and more conditioned acharyas -- to add more misery, getting sick, falling down, blooping, scandals, lawsuits, banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing - and other problems -- to the mess they already made! 

Lets pour more petrol on the fire, that will fix it! Nope! Sorry, there is no such thing as eternal worship being temporary, and replaced with fools, drunks and debauchees, that is never found in anything Srila Prabhupada says.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Hera Pancami / Purujit is Guru Deva / JPS Report 07 21 26

Original Bharat Natyam Dancer

PADA: I like the Hera Pancami idea, that Krishna's associates get very emotional in their exchanges with Krishna. Sometimes they try to act as Krishna's superior advisor etc. out of emotions. And then Krishna has to act very humble and pacify them etc. Very wonderful pastimes. So I feel very fortunate just to know these pastimes exist. ys pd

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PURUJIT IS OUR GURU DEVA

JND: One of Purujit's disciples is angry that someone suggests Purujit may have stolen the contents of the book from Mukunda, so he replies by accusing the respectable devotee lady of being a Pedo for no reason whatsoever. This is the level of these people. They are not even human beings, just complete disgusting behavior.

PADA: A lot of people noticed this all along, Purujit is placing his photo and name into publications to honor -- himself. And it was merely a question of time and he would announce he is the new acharya. Now he has advertised photos of Jayapataka and Bhakti Vikas and other GBC people with his book, showing they approve his "Prabhupada book." So he is with the GBC program more than ours.

And yeah, then HKC Jaipur's hero spokesman Mathura Pati goes to hang out with Purujit, and not us. Did If forget to mention Jayapataka and BVKS are credited with aiding and abetting Auschwitz for kids in Mayapur? Fine group of company you guys seek here! I said these HKC people are connected to Auschwitz defenders, and they are, and it keeps re-appearing.

Well no wonder they do not approve of PADA. But attacking some random woman as a "pedo" is very offensive and cruel, and no small amount misogynism. This lady has actually been helpful to PADA to clear up some of these child abuse issues. If anything -- she is anti-pedo. In short! She helps us -- the Purujit's do not.

That is the result of hanging out with their guru deva of the jagat. And their "Prabhupada book" is only $292, what a bargain! This is looking more and more like a bogus "selling Prabhupada and Krishna" guru business, which seeks support and approval from GBC folks to authenticate their position. ys pd 

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JAYAPATAKA SWAMI

He told me there is no need to avoid taking karma.

It will not cause him [or Jayatirtha] any suffering.

He will take karma from 50,000 people.

OK then, have at it dude! 

PADA: Current health outlook does not seem promising, but it is amazing how he keeps blathering onwards, coming back from one health crisis to the next. He needs to stay here with us to show people how foolish it is to accept karma without authority. I think his followers want him to continue living. 

The people who are pumping him up with all sorts of drugs, doctors, operations, breathing ventilators, organ transplants, pain medications, blood thinners etc. probably do not think they are prolonging his misery. I think they are. That means he could not avoid his karma. Told ya! ys pd 

Of all the gurus who currently hold sway in ISKCON, none can match His Holiness Jayapataka Swami (henceforward “JPS”), in terms of the number of disciples he has amassed (approximately 5,000 and counting). He has therefore stolen more disciples from Srila Prabhupada than anyone else, via masquerading as Srila Prabhupada’s “appointed successor”. 

Here we trace the history of his false guru programme.

1978: JPS leads Guru Hoax delegation

JPS was one of the 11 ritviks, or officiating priests, appointed by Srila Prabhupada in his signed institutional directive of July 9th 1977 to initiate new disciples into ISKCON on his behalf. Immediately on Srila Prabhupada’s physical departure from this world in November that year, the 11 appointed ritviks unauthorisedly discarded their spiritual master’s directive, abandoned their appointed roles as priestly representatives, and claimed instead that they had been appointed as Srila Prabhupada’s “good-as-God” guru successors. 

Thus the Great Guru Hoax, part 1 was created. The new “gurus” knew, however, that simply inventing a radically new guru system would be an extremely difficult hoax to foist on the movement without any sort of authorisation. Since this authorisation clearly did not come from Srila Prabhupada, the 11 decided rather cleverly to approach one of Srila Prabhupada’s senior Godbrothers, HH Sridhara Swami, and get him to lend some semblance of spiritual authority to their deviant plans. 

The meeting was recorded, and the following conversation transcripts illustrate how JPS seriously misled Sridhara Maharaja with the lie that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 guru successors:

JPS: “Maharaja, when our Srila Prabhupada left, then he has given instruction that for initiating and for carrying on the sampradaya there would be eleven – in the beginning, he appointed eleven devotees, his disciples, to be initiating spiritual masters or to accept disciples and in the future that number would also be able to be increased. So we wanted to take your advice on some points as to various details of how these initiating spiritual masters should deal with certain questions. If we could ask questions to you then?”

Sridhara Maharaja: “Yes, you may ask.”

JPS: “He has given explicit desires, but he told us that, on other technical points and other matters of philosophy, if there was question we should approach you.”

(GBC conversation with HH Sridhara Maharaja, Mayapur, March 1978)

Above we see that in addition to lying about the appointment of 11 gurus, JPS also misled Sridhara Maharaja that Srila Prabhupada had given “explicit desires” for his disciples to approach him for advice on “matters of philosophy”. This piece of fiction is directly contradicted by Srila Prabhupada himself:

“Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them.”

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 28th April, 1974)

1998: JPS invents “instruction” from Srila Prabhupada

JPS once claimed in a Vyasa Puja offering to Srila Prabhupada:

“In your transcendental literatures you repeatedly mention how you hope for the day when all your followers will be initiating spiritual masters, initiating even 10,000 or more disciples into the guru parampara.”

(Jayapataka Swami, Vyasa Puja offering to Srila Prabhupada, 1998) 

JPS has not allowed the fact that the above instruction is not mentioned even once, not to speak of “repeatedly”, in any of Srila Prabhupada’s “literatures” to deter him from amassing over 5,000 disciples, far in excess of any other ISKCON guru hoaxer. Indeed, in the same year as this statement above, the GBC body (ISKCON’s Governing Body Commission) had issued a warning about JPS’ ambitions in acquiring disciples:

“We note that (Jayapataka) Maharaja has already made adjustments in his approach to the question of siksa relationships in ISKCON and accept his assurance that he is not initiating discussion on the establishment of siksa relationships with those devotees who are not his disciples unless they themselves broach it.”

(Final GBC Appraisals, 1998)

1998: GBC encourages JPS to chant on his beads

“We also note he (JPS) has made positive efforts to improve the visible chanting of his japa and attendance at the morning program and encourage him to continue with this.”

(Final GBC Appraisals, 1998)

1998: JPS talks himself out of a job

“As such he (Srila Prabhupada) is the Foundational siksa guru for all ISKCON devotees. […] Whether as disciple, grand-disciple, and siksa disciple everyone has a direct access to Srila Prabhupada and His Divine Grace’s full mercy.”

(Ritvik Theory – Out of The Question, JPS, 1998)

If a “siksa disciple” of Srila Prabhupada has direct access to and the full mercy of Srila Prabhupada, pray tell for what reason does anyone need to take initiation from JPS? It cannot be to “connect” to Srila Prabhupada, since we already have direct access, just by taking siksa from Srila Prabhupada, according to JPS. And since such a disciple is also getting the full mercy of Srila Prabhupada, they are totally set in their spiritual life, and there would be no need to additionally surrender their life to JPS. They could just stick with Srila Prabhupada, which is what we recommend!

1999: JPS’s personal finances average “$70,000 per month”

“To give you a brief of myself before going further, I am the secretary of GM (‘GM’ = ‘Guru Maharaja’, in this case referring to JPS – ed.) by mainly taking care of all the finances […]

This year the average month expenses in travel alone have gone to the tune of over 60,000 dollars plus […]

The average bills for GM’s travels, secretary and other expenses come to about $70,000 per month.”

(Date: Sun, 12 Dec 99 04:44 +0000, From: “COM: Mahaguna (dd) JPS (Atlanta, GA – USA)”, Text 2850317)

1999: JPS upset at anti-sastric (scriptural) GBC GURUS

“Actually the scriptures mention that the guru can be called by such names as Visnupada, Prabhupada, Acharyadeva. Nonetheless the GBC felt that being attached to this particular scriptural instruction has been counter-productive as many devotees felt that it was artificial to accept such names. [...]

At first I was quite upset because this was not according to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions given in his books. [ …]

Considering the time, place and circumstances we are in there is some merit in this decision although it apparently contravenes a direct instruction of Srila Prabhupada given in his books. “

(JPS Letter to Disciples, March 24th 1999) 2000: JPS declares Srila Prabhupada “dead”

“The following article was published on the Front Page of Today’s Asian Age [...]

SHANKARSHAN DAS

Shankarshan das and Nitai Prasad das delivered the press release and cultivated the press. I drafted the press release and it was edited by our lawyers. The newspaper edited it themselves as they always do. Still the main gist is there: ‘In a signed statement issued to all Krishna bhaktas around the world, Mayapur general manager Dham Nitai Prasad Dasa has accused […]

... all devotees wanting to receive diksha within Iskcon should still receive it from founder-acharya of Iskcon, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Prabhupada, and become his direct disciples, in spite of him being dead for the last 23 years,” the letter says.’”

(Asian Age, front page, 24/7/2000), Emphasis added

(Jayapataka.Swami, Monday, July 24, 2000 10:12 PM)

Note: The newspaper quotes directly from the press release drafted by JPS (“the letter says”), delivered by Nitai Prasad, and which JPS also agrees contains the “main gist”.

2000: JPS implicated in false rape and suicide case

The following newspaper reports refer to the suicide of an ISKCON devotee who was falsely implicated in a false rape case:

THE TIMES OF INDIA

10 August 2000:

The acting chief metropolitan magistrate K.P. Dutta on Monday ordered the police to take nesccessary steps against eight persons attached to ISKCON, so that they cannot leave India. The eight are

1. Jayapataka Swami
2. Satadhanya Das,
3. Dayaram Das,
4. Bhadracharan Das, [...]

THE TELEGRAPH Calcutta, 10 August 2000:

WARRANTS OUT FOR 8 ISKCON MONKS ISKCON’S MAYAPUR CENTRE

The case of the Iskcon monk’s suicide took a dramatic turn on Wednesday with the court ordering the police to arrest 8 monks of the order. One of them, the chief of Iskcon’s Mayapur centre, is said to be absconding. 2004: GBC attempt to rein in JPS fails

JPS ran into trouble with the GBC, the body that illegally maintains he is a bona fide guru successor to Srila Prabhupada, when he started approaching and writing to the disciples of other ISKCON gurus, sending them his blessings and offering to act as their spiritual guide:

“Happy Birthday to you! You are in my regular prayers whenever I pray to the Deities. (…) Please find attached a picture of myself sending you blessings. I hope this finds you blissful in Krishna consciousness and healthy.

Your well wisher always, Jayapataka Swami”

He was cautioned by the Executive Committee (EC) of the GBC in an extraordinary meeting to deal with the crisis, but to little avail. Here is one angry complaint from Indradyumna Swami, whose disciples were so propositioned:

INDRADYUMNA SWAMI

“I would like to request you not to send such letters to any of my disciples in the future. I feel these letters are in the mood of canvassing for followers and are contrary to the restrictions imposed on you recently by the EC.”

(HH Indradyumna Swami to JPS) 2004: JPS declares himself a divine associate
JPS’ website biography states the following:

“HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja was glad to see that his name – Gordan John (Gour Dhan Jan) – already suggested what Srila Prabhuapda confirmed, that he and two other devotees were formerly associates of Lord Caitanya and that they had taken their birth in the west to facilitate spreading Krishna consciousness around the world.”

(www.jpsoffice.com/biography.html, archived August 2006)

2004: ISKCON guru calls JPS a “sick, obsessed, duplicitous liar”

SIVARAMA SWAMI

JPS is “a sick person” and “obsessed” who “makes lying or duplicitous behaviour fully reconcilable with service to Prabhupada.”

(HH Sivarama Swami on JPS) 2006: “Miracle cure” wears off 

JPS’s biography also states:

“When Jayapataka Maharaja was eleven years old, at the suggestion of his grandfather he cured himself of a skin disease by calling on the name of God.”
Given the above miraculous cure, it is surprising that according to his guru Godbrother, HH Bhanu Swami, JPS is suffering skin diseases today, along with a host of other ailments:

“overweight, BP, urinary problems, skin rashes and allergy, and you will have a shortened life span […] I have noticed that all the diets he has followed for the last ten years have not reduced his body weight by 1 kg. A real program will get the weight down 20 kg. in 5 months.”

Perhaps JPS needs to follow the GBC’s recommendations from its 1998 “guru appraisals” and “call on the name of God” more often.

2006: JPS “diksa guru forever”

The following is taken from the official initiation oath form for those who wish to take initiation from JPS:

“1. […]I HEREBY SOLEMNLY MAKE THE FOLLOWING VOWS:

I accept Srila Jayapataka Swami to be my initiating (diksa) and instructing (siksa) spiritual master (Guru) forever, even life after life.”

(“Initiation Acceptance Oath”, archived August 2006)

Please note that nowhere in Srila Prabhupada’s instructions is it stated that “His Divine Grace Srila Jayapataka Swami” is authorised to be an initiating spiritual master even in this life, not to speak of “forever”.

The GBC cannot even accept Srila Prabhupada as the diksa Guru in ISKCON for anyone for even ONE DAY - “Unfortunately for all of us, he (Srila Prabhupada) is not physically present and so is no longer giving diksa to anyone”

(GBC’s Sastric Advisory Council, March 18th, 2003)

- yet they are more than happy to grant diksa guru status to Jayapataka Swami for ETERNITY! Jai Srila Prabhupada
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