PADA: Sorry prabhu, I am not familiar with their program or who is the guru of that program. If someone has news let us know.
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VRNDAVANA BRANNON PARKER ACBS
Gurukula was an equal opportunity torture chamber. Black, white, Mexican or Indian. All neglected tortured abused raped regardless of body type!
I didn’t wanna share this article cause it’s pretty horrible but this article I helped the author produce back in the early 90s and published by hustler magazine reveals How horrible Gurukula was for us REGARDLESS OF ONES RACE!
(I shared it with Henry Doktorski III since he's now the world's leading eminent historian on everything related to the tragedies connected to Iskcon).
Some are mythologizing our lived experiences attempting to say white gurukul kids had it good. Such BS and shame on any trying to minimize our suffering just because we are white! Its the same insane cold mindset that allowed our teachers to abuse rape torture us. Now its cloaked in one body type having more credibility than another. More racism as a matter of fact!
"Krishna Kids" HUSTLER MAGAZINE FEBRUARY 1991
PADA: Yep, there is some friction and tension among some of the ISKCON ex-gurukulis. And some of them actually hate each other, are part of competing guru camps, and so on. It is very sad because they were fellow inmates in the same prison system -- and yet they fight with the other prisoners. Which happens in actual prisons.
Some of the "dark skinned -- non-white race ex-kids" have said the white kids got off better while the brown and black kids had it worse, and he says that is false, they all got victimized. I believe his version. I also personally know "white kids" who were treated abominably, to say the least.
The 1991 "Krishna Kids" article in Hustler Magazine was very shocking, and when someone showed me it, I thought this is going to be a wake up call for ISKCON, ISKCON's parents and leaders. It wasn't, things actually got worse in Mayapur. And a lot of senior devotees kept giving me grief, and many still do. The lesson was not learned.
Word is that Ive been hospitalized. Well I saw that a 5 * stay with daily room service 3 free multi choice meals, free TV films, 24 hr room service and luxurious private room with day long family visiting hours was available free of charge.
So I walked over checked in and am now getting world class care and support.
So despite having a genuine medical condition, Taking the time to receive top quality care, hot food, injury care and in - depth investigation of my actual health status and then receiving effective treatment was a great opportunity to recoup and recuperate from this past year of tumultuous struggle and navigating the treacherous waters of Oahu’s cold petty social climbers, phony aloha friends that can't see past potential rivalry on the hot to trot market.
PADA: The treacherous waters of of Oahu's cold petty social climbers, on the hot to trot (illicit sex?) market. Yep, there has been a lot of loose goose behavior going on with the ex-ISKCON youth. Some of the ex-kids told me -- sex, drugs, rock and roll, heavy metal music, and alcohol, are better friends to us than the ISKCON leaders. True dat!
This means the society as a whole -- and the leaders in charge of upbringing these kids -- failed -- and badly. Why would these kids have all these falling down issues if they have been trained in spiritual life in the first place? So it is a failure on monumental scale, these children ended up worse than if they had gone to karmi schools in many / most cases IMHO.
Suddenly its sisters and brothers in name only. Just enough to prove social relevance for some potential on speed dial secret booty call action! So many clueless towards those genuinely breathing each day to be and breathe solely for their Keiki & Ohana. Family means spouse and kids first. Not some kind of clandestine network for secret sexual activities.
NOT as a sly bottom Feeders hunting ground for potential clandestine sexual encounters guised as family friendly church temple going butterflies who happen to always treat the kids as an obstacle to sense gratification. Phony parental concern as your teenybopper mind drools over this or that potential orgasm inducer.
PADA: Yep, in some cases the youth -- who were still part of an ISKCON temple -- were using the temple as a staging ground for "meeting up" -- for sexual encounters, or to get together for drugs and so on. And some of these kids ended up on hard drugs, and some of them died from those drugs. Again, a failure in their upbringing.
One young woman told me it would be a miracle if she could have kids because she has had sexually transmitted diseases from her loose ISKCON youth days. That is not a very highly recommended lifestyle, but it became the life style of many of these kids. That is one reason they often tell me, do not ever use my name in these accounts, they are trying to rebuild their life outside of all this deteriorated mess they had to endure as kids.
Its like most can't even imagine a man would choose the hard path of Godly condoned matrimony over self slutting cheap thrills of heart hardening soul numbing body based futile itch scratching sex maniacs.
And none even know I learnt the hard way before many of my younger friends and fam were even born that the entire modern sex scene was phony heart breaking soul numbing and emotionally disabling and a path to hell defeat and ungodly life devoid of mystery magic and disconnects one from the mystical reality all around us.
Many assumed I wanted to use my Zawj (زوج) the sacred gift of a Spouse from Allah as some kind of social credit in order to prove my status as a winner with a hot wife.
Truth is such a wife is a fortress a safety net a guardian that protects me from the wicked desires and petty jealousies of less evolved demonic Rakshashik Moon star types. These types are automatically jealous of others blessings. Godly types recognize others fortune as the earned and just rewards for noble efforts.
Human types go from normal to all in between. Each persons astrology chart reveals whether ones moon (mind & attitude) is demonic, human or Godly) as one with a Godly moon im so sick of all you less evolved petty fools so overwhelmed with jealousy and envy that others joy is painful. You types are the reason the world is so messed up.
So yall can stay as far the f*ck away from me as possible. And if u must insert yr nasty ways into my life, im quietly taking notes and will be ready for some good ole exorcisms on yr dirty dark hearts and dull souls. Just look in the eyes of those types, dull and patheticly shallow compared to the shining effulgent eyes of a babaji under a tree in India.
Or even see the eyes of a loyal man or woman that takes thier sacred gift of matrimony to heart and actually lives and breathes the life of honesty and marital integrity.
PADA: Yup notice, we may have to use Church exorcisms to chase out the demons in these dark hearted and dull souls. Which means yeah -- the rumors that there are dark arts, black magic, tantric curses, secret Satanic rituals, child sacrifice, pedophile cults etc. has never ended.
But here we can see what kind of "not too happy" mental state some of these ex-kids have come to, and it is very sad. And unfortunately, the problems with their mental states has produced a lot physical pain, suffering and even -- death -- for their group as a whole.
The ex-kids are a mixed lot. Some of them thank me for helping them, or even saving their lives. Some of them think I am a crook who made a lot of money from the lawsuit. Nope, did not take a penny.
And some of them are upset that I am challenging Tamal's hero Narayan Maharaja and so on and so forth. OK a lot of this is because the parents gave them all sorts of confused signals and so they could not figure out what happened here. And a lot of the parents still don't know either. In any case -- we wish Vrndavana well, it sounds like he went through a lot of problems, which were never supposed to happen to him, or to any children anywhere.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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Krishna Govinda
Breaking our legs with premature renunciation
The Hare Kṛṣṇa movement has existed since 1966. We may fail to realize it at first, but that’s 60 years, a lifetime.
Something common in the early days of our movement was for devotees to abandon their families and everything else and try to elevate themselves immediately to a platform of complete renunciation. This was called “surrendering to Kṛṣṇa,” just as Arjuna surrendered to the will of the Lord at the end of the Bhagavad-gītā. Often, it was taken as a form of instant sannyāsa.
Although renunciation is recommended in the scriptures, especially in the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, it’s important to understand that this is a conclusion for a process that one is supposed to start much earlier, and not a mechanical or external process. Immature devotees who try to imitate Lord Ṛṣabhadeva can create a lot of havoc, as sometimes observed in the past of our movement.
True renunciation is very positive, but artificial renunciation can have very negative consequences.
When I joined, in the 1990s, for example, it was common for new devotees to completely reject (and burn) their families and go to live in the temple, just to return to their parents’ houses after one or two years. Of course, this contributed to the image of a cult many people had from our movement, since in many respects we (at least where I lived) were behaving like one.
To me, this is an example of the negative sides of artificial renunciation. In this connection, the Bhagavad-gītā mentions: “One who restrains the senses and organs of action, but whose mind dwells on sense objects, certainly deludes himself and is called a pretender.” (Bg 3.6)
As described in this verse, artificial renunciation is based on rejecting the world while one is still attached to it, trying to negate and suppress one’s desires and inclinations instead of positively using them for Kṛṣṇa. This can lead to erratic behavior and all kinds of psychological problems, which can be quite negative both for the individual and for the community he or she is part of. We can observe the negative effects of artificial celibacy in the form of many scandals that plague the history of our movement, for example.
We can see that Kṛṣṇa rejects this process at the beginning of the third chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā, and gives a positive alternative in the form of the process of Karma-yoga (detached work), described in the subsequent verses.
As he mentions in Bg 3.33: “Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, for everyone follows the nature he has acquired from the three modes. What can repression accomplish?”
It’s not easy to suppress one’s nature by simple repression. One may use repression to mask his’s nature for a limited period, and this may be useful if there is some clear plan (like living for a year or two in an ashram to have an opportunity to go deep into spiritual life, for example), but it doesn’t work long term. Unless one is capable of reaching a high platform of spiritual realization and finding the higher taste that Kṛṣṇa mentions in Bg 2.59, the process of artificial repression will not do any good in the long term. We can observe that Krsna doesn’t recommend this process. In fact, he calls the ones who are trying to follow it “pretenders”.
If one is not capable of quickly finding a higher taste, Kṛṣṇa recommends the process of Karma-yoga, which is based on working for Him, trying to change one’s internal consciousness instead of his external activities. Arjuna wanted to renounce everything and go to live in the forest, repressing his natural qualities as a kṣatriya and instead acting like a brāhmana. At first, this could sound like a good idea, since a brāhmana is higher than a kṣatriya, but Krsna disagreed with this proposal, arguing that it would simply lead to degradation.
This is an important point to understand: when we try to artificially imitate a higher platform, instead of following the process that is appropriate to us, we end up degrading ourselves instead of progressing. If a man who is too attracted to the opposite sex tries to artificially be a brahmacārī, instead of accepting the recommended path as a regulated householder, for example, he will probably end up involved in some illicit relationship or sexual scandal later on. We can observe that most cases of abuses we had in the past of our movement were performed by artificial celibates.
Some could argue that Prabhupāda himself instituted this process of artificial renunciation, establishing āśramas for brahmacārīs and giving sannyāsa to young men, but this is not exactly true. While Prabhupāda emphasizes the path of pure devotional service in his books and highlights the possibility of anyone quickly advancing to a higher platform by sincerely chanting, he never says that one should practice artificial renunciation. Instead, he emphasizes the idea of finding the higher taste and, at the same time, shows flexibility in adjusting and offering other paths for the disciples who would not be able to ascend to this platform so quickly.
He would even marry sannyasis who would not be able to maintain their vows, engaging them as householders instead. He was never recommending false renunciation, quite the opposite.
He also never said that one should disrespect one’s parents, for example (although we may also not follow them if they are not devotees). In fact, he made Brahmananda and Gargamuni, two of his early disciples, pay obeisances to their mother when she visited the āśrama before their initiation. There are situations where one may not be able to maintain a relationship with the parents and other family members (in cases where they are strongly against one practicing devotional service, or in cases of toxic relationships), but this should be regarded as a last resort.
What we may sometimes lack is the capacity to understand not only what the goal is, but also the complete process of achieving such a goal. One who is not attentive may try to jump to a distant platform and thus break his legs, while others who are more attentive may notice a stair connecting the two. Taking the stairs is slower than just jumping out of the window, but it is safer.
On the specific point of relationship with the parents, if one acts responsibly towards his parents and other relatives, treating them well according to mundane etiquette without abandoning his or her spiritual practice or deviating his philosophical understanding, one can gradually make other members of the family devotees. When we study cases of families of devotees, in almost all cases, there is a story like that. Families are usually a combination of similar people. If one adopts the spiritual path, it means that probably others also have the potential to do so.
Not only that, but most of us (especially ladies) have the need for living in a family environment, and the proof of that is that even if they try to become renounced Brahmacārīs and brahmacāriṇīs, they enter into family life shortly afterward. What is then the value of rejecting and burning one’s parents? For one who is not on the level of being a sannyāsi (in form or spirit), the path to spiritual progress is not artificial renunciation but detached work, as described in the Bhagavad-gītā. If one follows the path of detached work for some time, cultivating internal renunciation, he or she may in due time be able to achieve a platform of true renunciation.
Even for one who is spiritually advanced, but is still young in age or still not prepared to fully accept the renounced path, the path of detached work is still the safest, as prescribed to Vrajanatha in the Jaiva-dharma. This is however a path that demands spiritual maturity, of following the Mahājanas instead of merely trying to imitate them.
As Lord Caitanya cautions: “Be patient and return home. Don’t be a crazy fellow. By and by you will be able to cross the ocean of material existence.” (Cc Madhya 16.237)
Check the book, where we discuss more dangerous mistakes in our spiritual practice, free for everyone.
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AMERICA WAS MISINFORMED ON IRAN
Netanyahu has – almost comically – been warning that Iran is weeks or months away from getting a nuclear bomb for decades:
1992 (Knesset speech): “Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb.”
1995: (his book, Fighting Terrorism): Iran is “three to five years, at most” from a nuclear weapon.
1996 (to joint session of the US Congress): “the deadline for [Iran] attaining this goal is getting extremely close”.
2002 (to a US congressional committee): Iran is “racing” for the bomb (but Saddam might get there first).
2009: “Iran has the capability now to make one bomb”; they could “make several bombs in a year or two”.
2010 (to The Atlantic): “You don’t want a Messianic apocalyptic cult controlling atomic bombs… that’s what is happening in Iran.”
2012: Iran is “a few months away” from nuclear capability.
2012 (to the UN General Assembly, the “cartoon bomb” speech): Iran will soon be “a few months, possibly a few weeks” from getting enough enriched uranium for their first bomb.
2015: Iran would be “weeks away from having enough enriched uranium for an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons” if Barrack Obama’s nuclear deal went through. (It did.)
2025: Iran could build a weapon “in a matter of months, or even weeks”.
Netanyahu persuaded Trump to bomb Iran the first time around almost a year ago, in June 2025. “Look, Donald,” he was quoted as saying, “this has to be tackled, because they’re racing forward … You can’t have a nuclear Iran on your watch.” In making these confident predictions, was Netanyahu simply passing on the assessments of his country’s intelligence services? Not necessarily. In 2011, on his final day as Mossad chief, Meir Dagan told a Knesset committee that “Iran will not have nuclear capability before 2015″. In 2012, a leaked intelligence assessment said that Mossad believed Iran was still “not performing the activity necessary to produce [nuclear] weapons”. This was while Netanyahu was claiming an Iranian bomb was, at most, months away.
𝐅𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐤 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐃𝐞𝐜𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧: Do your deep research. Abusers are masters of illusion before the wedding. Look at how they treat others.
