GBC Guru vs Ritvik / Property or Siddhanta? / Ritvik order Importance 05 05 26

PADA: Good start for opening dialogue. Yes, these GBC sannyasas are following Gopal Krishna swami -- who helps bury homosexuals, pedophiles and porno swamis in samadhis in the dham. They are not even qualified to be ritviks. Even the mundane people of the West are not making sacred grave site samadhis for homosexuals and pedophiles posing as messiahs. ys pd 

 

 Property or Siddhanta?

PADA: It always amazes us at PADA when people -- mostly from India, are wondering what is the difference between the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharya's program, and worshiping a pure devotee? And it is almost always "a property dispute." 

Same with Dayalu nitai's HKC Jaipur folks. They gave me the same argument, well jeepers PADA is aligned with promoting Srila Prabhupada as the acharya with Bangalore. And he is not helping us promote Radhanath's pedophile guru process, and this is "mundane politics" and "all about money and property." OK except even mundane politics and politicians do not support cheer leaders of pedophile worship?

Umm, that is the problem ISKCON is having here in the West. People here are not interested in worshiping a homosexual and pedophile messiahs' program, full stop period. And they don't care anything about money, property and buildings being endlessly discussed. 

They know that is NOT the real issue. Deviants are not God's successors, full stop period. The pedophile messiahs project is trying to say this is an argument about money, and some folks think that is valid. Nope, it is a means of diverting from the real issue: deviants are not, were not, could not have been -- God's successors. ys pd

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PRIORITY OF KNOWING THE RITVIK ORDER

@Jay-aka-b3y All devotees and aspiring devotees should approach this whole Ritvik and Current Iskcon Guru system with the greatest humility, openness and 100% truthful heart and mind and look at the totality of all the evidence and videos from both sides to come to an informed decision. The question should be what is it that Srila Prabhupada taught and what did he really desire and expect. 

I have come across a quote from Srila Prabhupada "one should surrender with intelligence and not surrender their intelligence" This whole Iskcon Guru / Ritvik issue deserves full, fair and proper consideration. Devotees and others should not be/feel pressured or forced into accepting a certain position. One should not surrender their intelligence just because of pressure or circumstances. 

This issue is just way too big. Srila Prabhupada and The Movement he created should be at the centre of a devotees decision making in my humble opinion. I have noticed that some Iskcon devotees are making videos with emphasis on just selected quotes/give an interpretation to support what they believe and some people/devotees seem to be just accepting that video as conclusive evidence. That does not really seem to do justice to the topic. 

I feel that everyone should look at all the evidence and documents properly and watch videos from both sides including the videos that refer to previous/other videos as that is when certain points are fully/properly considered. We should all approach this issue with a very open heart and mind and consider with intelligence & logic and then make a decision rather than just rushing to a decision either way. 

One thing that is crystal clear, by not following the 9th July 1977 letter as it is, the result has not been good at all for Iskcon and their devotees, so many fallen down gurus and so many heartbroken disciples. Srila Prabhupada created such a beautiful movement and spread such wonderful teaching and practises. Some Devotees/People, say why bother with all this politics/issues, just carry out your spiritual practices. However, this issues goes to the very heart / foundation of the movement, the teaching and every devotees spiritual life. 

If we really have true affection for Srila Prabhupada, an ounce of love for him and care for aspiring devotees, surely this is the issue that we would want dealt with and corrections made as required. Having said that, I understand that it is not so easy. It is so nice to see some devotees just not giving up the fight for truth and justice, like, Madhu Pandit Das and IRM and ISKM. 

Even if there are some differences between them, they stood / stand against against the current guru system and what happened in the Movement after Srila Prabhupada physically left this world. I have not fully made my mind up on the issue, but having carefully listened to videos/counter videos from both sides, the documents and seeing the result of the Gurus system after Srila Prabhupada physically left the world, then the Pyramid House Confession by Tamal Krishna Goswami (which were on the next level) and then GBC Resolution 409, the more that I am starting to think more and more that the Ritvik school of though and devotees are actually on the correct side of this whole guru issue. 

I love Iskcon, the teachings, the temples, the practices and I have immense affection and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada, but that does not mean that I should just ignore well established documents and evidence which may / do go against what I believed and was taught for so many years. I even had some of the gurus attend my home and perform beautiful house programs. 

Still, I should not surrender my intelligence. I am not going to criticise or judge anyone, these are just my personal thoughts after much careful consideration. Trnad Api Sunicena " One should be more humbler than a blade of Grass.... " What a different history Iskcon would have had if there were no self appointed gurus and no creation of the zonal acharya system and no continuation of appointing new guru after new guru after new guru even after fall down after fall down and now the GBC Resolution 409 which appears to remove the requirement of a Diksha Guru being an uttama adhikäri or “pure devotee” 

Surely, that was not what Srila Prabhupada taught or would have wanted? However, I stand to be corrected on both of these latter two points, and please do so if I have misunderstood the position. But please remember Trnad Api sunicena teachings in all exchanges " One should be more humble than a blade of grass.............." I also wonder whether there are devotees who are so part of ISKCON or Initiated or scared of accepting the Ritvik school of thought, but in their hearts and minds they feel or even know that just possibly the Ritvik approach may actually be the correct approach and / or would have saved the movement from multiple guru falldowns, but just feel they cannot come out and speak out and / or cannot fight the current system and and for good reasons.

Nobody wants to be isolated from the movement or association of devotees especially if it is a massive part of your life/is your life. It is truly heartbreaking this guru issue and the impact it has had on so many devotees and is having. Still, we can continue to develop or love and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada and never give up on his teachings and practices. What he created and achieved was and continues to be magnanimous and has the potential to still create so much love and unity in the world and to help so many people achieve/progress to the true purpose of this human life.

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RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR

[Principles of psychological disempowerment]

INTRODUCTION

Many devotees believe Aindra Prabhu to be not so interested in the practical side of Krsna Consciousness, well at least until his “To Hell With” speech last year… This opinion of Aindra Prabhu would have been true some years ago but over the last five odd years he became more and more interested in the practical issues that face devotees caused by an increasingly materialistic ISKCON
leadership.

As I have been seeking ways in which to weaken the GBC and in particular the Vrndavan’s Gurukula’s hold on ISKCON Vrndavan in order to protect Aindra Prabhu’s home and his 24 Hour Kirtan Program he grew more interested in my efforts and although I did not involve him directly I kept him very well informed of my various activities.

As I developed my website “PrabhupadaVision.com” he began to think of writing articles that I could post for him on my website so he could become involved in dealing with the problems that we all face in our Krsna Consciousness Movement, caused by the errant GBC. 

Rubber Stamped Gurus and Apologistic devotees of ISKCON.

Following is his first and sadly only article as this new aspect of his life was cut short due to his untimely passing. We would joke that he would never be able to use an alias, as his distinctive writing style would immediately give him away. However I managed to convince him to use an alias for this first article due to the sensitive nature of his tenure at the ISKCON Vrndavan Temple.

He wanted me to edit the following article, however, since he is no longer present and would not be able to micro manage any attempt at editing his work, I decided to publish it unedited. Although I use the alias that he wanted, I believe that now, as he is no longer present, and does not have to face any backlash for his thoughts, he should speak for himself.

Yours in the service of my dear friend Aindra Prabhu and Srila Prabhupada

Krsnacandra Dasa


RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR

[Principles of psychological disempowerment]

1. Convince the enemy [us, the laity] that there is no war – so we see no cause for alarm.

2. Make us believe that they [the institutional power elite] are stronger than they really are, and make us believe that we [the grass roots contingency] are weaker than we really are.

3. Hide the truth – cover-up, distort, lie, confuse, falsify . . . divert, pervert, put down, and demonize the truth . . . to manipulate the history, present, and future of society.

4. Quell the resistance before it has a chance to raise its ugly head. Slander, scorn, and/or eliminate dissenters [the audacious few who break the code of silence] to demoralize further potential protests.

5. Intimidation – compel by unilateral communication of increasingly ever-constraining institutional law. Supplant multi-angular philosophical discussion with sophistical dogma.

The institutional power elites are small in number [potentially weak] but at present considerably organized and dominant – though not very popular. We, the unvoiced majority, are potentially powerful but presently misinformed, under-educated, apathetic, obsequious, disarrayed, and disorganized – too busy with our dumbed-down pursuit of our daily fare to think very deeply about anything.

The power elites, by exercising their political leverage, have quite a handle on the temporal institutional facilities [men, money, social and organizational infrastructure, media (spin control), etc.] They are parasitic in behavior, fat, corrupt, speculative, deceitful, increasingly sluggish, and paranoid. We the laity control very little of the institutional hardware.

It will be very difficult for us to erect a power structure as they have to counter their political advantage within the context of “their” establishment. Yet those of us who are awake to the power elite’s misguided agenda to stealthily hijack, dysfunctionalize, and derail, from within, the Krishna consciousness movement by incremental trans-sectarian interfaith homogenization can and must assiduously acquaint ourselves and others with the true principles of sampradaya as per the gaudiya-siddhanta according to the statements of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Prabhupada and the previous acaryas.

WAKE UP PRABHUS! EVERYONE WAKE UP!

Everything is not alright. We have been and are being purposely steered off course. Do not acquiesce to any so-called leader’s [or any group of so-called leaders’] deviant philosophical misconstructions. Understand the issues: errant material control systems, corporatization, centralization, bureaucratization, social
liberalization, rubberstamped guruship, psychologically coerced communal compliance, marginalization of nama-sankirtana, contractual institutional commitment, etc. 

Understand the ramifications: guru-avajna; crippling of individual striving, creativity, and expression; decline of pure devotional ethos into obscurity,
vulnerability to broad-scope multi-level globalist infiltration. They rely on our ease-loving ignorance, our tendency to gravitate through the supposed path of least resistance, and our lazy disinclination to stand up against all odds to fight for truth on behalf of our predecessor acaryas. 

We cannot blame anyone except ourselves for our lack of Krishna consciousness. We must think with our own minds – not with theirs. Understand their tactics. Increased awareness of the truth brings with it increased spiritual power. Increased spiritual power puts time on our side. That is our
strength. Temporal institutional might does not make right. Even if the
clandestine manipulators of institutional affairs are able to nefariously usurp the external institutional set-up, they can neither usurp our souls nor will they ever win our heartfelt comraderie. 

It is time for revolution – a revolution of consciousness. Let the institutional power brokers beware. The increasing numbers of we who are on to their antics will have
revolution with or without their consent or cooperation. The biggest bubble of maya can doubtlessly be burst by the minutest pinprick of genuine Krishna consciousness. The critical mass of our spark-like grass-roots Krishna consciousness will ultimately prevail and conflagrate their insinuative billowing-cotton-like mayic institutional tyranny.

A CALL TO ARMS

1. Intelligently fight institutional maya with the most powerful weapon of the Holy Name.

2. Form local daily nama-sankirtana cells world-wide.

3. Regularly congregate for prolonged mass hari-nama-sankirtan demonstrations.

4. Start chanting a minimum of one lac of Holy Names daily.

5. Confront local, regional, and zonal institutional authorities and convince them to do the same – its either shape up or ship out.

6. Organize a grass roots signature campaign to express the general lack of confidence in the current institutional leadership. 

7. Transition from the problem-think to the solution-think mind-set.

8. Be Krishna conscious in all circumstantial success or failure.

If we are not part of the solution – we’re part of the problem. The solution is simple [for the simple]: Harer-namaiva-kevalam. Take shelter of the Holy Name as your only business. Nothing to lose – everything to gain.

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DIFFICULT TIMES FOR A SERBIA DEVOTEE

PADA: Why isn't Sivarama taking care of these people?

Dina Bhakta Dasa

We have just learned about the difficult financial situation of our dear Ivešvara Prabhu, Mataji Teja Gorangi, and their two children. If we count Ivesvara Prabhu's years of devotional service he should be one step to retirement, but unfortunately, that is not how things are functioning in our movement yet. 

He gave his youth and life in book distribution, in running the centers in two cities in Serbia, in hosting and serving devotees, in cooking seva at Summer camps and for festivals, in traveling around in preaching mission and in cooking and personally serving HH Jayapataka Maharaja. He also made the first (and only) chariot for the Lord Jagannatha and has organized many Ratha Yatras in Serbia. 

In recent times he is a responsible husband and father. They depend on their garden with vegetables, they sell seeds, seedlings and canned food, but this is not a stable income, especially during the Winter, when they cannot afford to pay heating bills, so Ivešvara Prabhu is bringing some woods from the local forest. Unfortunately, he is suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. 

Every morning the pain in his hands is so strong that it looks that he will not make it through the day. Only after few hours after struggling in the garden, the pain becomes tolerable.

This is one of those important opportunities when we can all sacrifice some of our money to help dear devotees who are in trouble. For us, this is the shortcut for getting Krishna's favor since He is especially weak about His devotees.

Their PayPal is iva.tot108@gmail.com

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Children playing is a reflection of this person's actions. 

Bangalore Video / What Are They Thinking? / SHABDA / GGM / Proper Offerings 05 04 26

 

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HOW DOES PADA KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY THINK? 

PADA: How do we know what the GBC folks are thinking and discussing in private? The FBI told me when they tapped their phones -- Ramesvara was admonishing Kirtananda for sending in collectors to siphon money from his zone. Kirtanananda was complaining someone was putting sugar in the gas tanks of his collector's vans. We know whose followers did that! 

A compromise was being suggested that you can send your babes (female collectors) to hot spots in our zone if we can send our babes to hot spots in your zone. That is what the FBI said they said, "your babes." The FBI told me mafia dons do the same thing, they let the other don do business in his zone if he can conduct equal business in the other guys zone. "They talk just like mafia." 

The good news is at the time they were also tapping Hansadutta's and New Vrndavana's phones, which is why they sent Federal undercover agents -- combined with local Berkeley PD -- to protect me here in Berkeley when their enforcers came to get me. 

Another guy named Mahamantra said the FBI was playing similar recordings to him, after he was busted for buying materials needed to break open large safes, but he got off with only probation when he testified against Hansadutta's people. This is of course the tip of the iceberg for what happens among them on a regular basis. What I said at the start of all this is, we won't be able to challenge Krishna's direct successors, shaktyavesa avatars, servants of the gopis and incarnations of Radharani's seva party, without placing our lives in a lot of peril. And we have been. 

The Berkeley PD also told me when they busted Hansadutta he had a list of people who need to be exterminated in his diary, and many of the other leaders and gurus were on the list. They told Hansadutta if any other leader goes down, you will go down, and that may have discouraged him. OK same thing, mafia style. We pretty much know how they think individually and that produces the collective result. Two more people wrote me recently saying, "ISKCON needs to be shut down," so there are still victims now who are really having a lot of trauma from all this while the GBC folks are wondering why their servants are taking so long getting their 1,000 rupee health drinks. 

We also know what Dayalu Nitai's homosexual and pedophile guru lovers club thinks, remove PADA from the internet so victims do not have a platform. And others will become victims by PADA being stopped from exposing all this. Win win for their pedophile pals. 

And simultaneously, promote the cheer leaders of Radhanath, who evidently helped have Sulochana taken out. They at least honest, and are open and public about that. So they are better than the GBC. They publicly oppose anyone who exposes their pedophile messiahs project pals. The good news is, most people agree with me and Sulochana, the pedophile guru's club needs to be exposed to save children from harm. 

For his part Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji / Prabhupadanugas EU says he has to promote Radhanath's predators of minors guru's cheer leaders because "they oppose PADA." So he is very honest, he admits he daily licks the boots of his booty bandit guru program pals -- to oppose us people who do not promote worship of his booty bandit messiahs projects. Whereas the GBC is often engaged in lots of secret meetings and all that, they are not honest.    

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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SHABDA: "There appears to be much confusion regarding Ritvik initiation at present with opinion divided into two opposing camps—(a) the so-called Ritviks who insist that the last Āchārya was the final initiating guru, and there won’t be anyone after him, and (b) the so-called anti-Ritviks who follow a system of hiring and firing gurus by a committee, and to whom guru appointments and removals shall continue in the future. 

In this article, I will explain why Ritvik initiation is distinct from both. I will also discuss when someone becomes a Guru and when they must act as a Ritvik. Then I will discuss why Guru corruption is inevitable in all Monotheistic societies, but especially in Western society, because it suffers from the messiah complex, i.e., the belief that they are God-chosen people meant to lead and save the world. 

Its root cause is lust for power, status, and authority, the factual antithesis of the humble, servitor, and shy attitudes of the real messiahs, so corruption is inevitable. Before that, we must understand that Ritvik is not a new idea; it is as old as the priesthood itself. Finally, we must understand that Ritvik initiation is not a uniquely Vedic idea; it exists in all religions, including Monotheisms, and it arises when present teachers are far below their preceptors."

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GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA

Their Bhakti Began to Dry Up

Srila Gurudeva: Svamiji came to the eastern and western countries and very mercifully, in a very short time he preached Krsna-nama and bhakti everywhere. We wonder how it was possible he preached so quickly all over the world. But he left this world, back to aprakata-lila, the devotees everywhere in the world became so weak because there was no advanced Vaisnava association there.

PADA: Sorry, the reverse is what happened. Gaura Govinda Maharaja's program made the Gaudiya Math's "advanced leaders" like Sridhara Maharaja their new shiksha advisors. And they "advised" that intoxicated womanizers like Jayatirtha should remain in the acharya's post -- even when everyone knew they were falling. 

In other words, the Gaura Govinda Maharaja program wanted ISKCON to worship intoxicated womanizers as acharyas and not bona fide acharyas. The GGM program is what weakens ISKCON and DRIES up and destroys bhakti. 

Lacking these things, their bhakti began to dry up. Svamiji saw that there were devotees who were kanistha Vaisnavas and who wanted to progress, but gradually that they were going to dry up. So I think that he mercifully inspired me to go everywhere he had planted the seeds of bhakti. He made a very good platform.

Otherwise, a person like me, I have not done anything. You are hearing all these things only due to his mercy. He wrote so many books that can help new devotees or anyone to understand what bhakti is, who the Supreme Personality of Godhead is, and how we can have a relationship with Him and how can we can be happy in this life and in future lives.

PADA: But GGM said transcendental knowledge (sabda brahman) does not descend from books and tapes. We need to hear from the living lips person, ok like his homosexual and pedophile "Vishnupada" pals. Gaura Govinda Maharaja has not the slightest clue who deserves the title of Vishnupada and who does not. The same false Vishnupada process DRIED UP the Gaudiya Matha after 1937. 

Unfortunately, many of GGM's living lips gurus are homosexuals, pedophiles drunks and deviants. Meanwhile he is departed and there are no longer living lips in his process. Worse many of GGM's followers ran off to Tamal's living lips bucket boy Narayan Maharaja.

I see that everywhere I am going, there is a very good platform. Although we are few in number, still we are satisfied. Also, I am so much indebted to Gour Govinda Maharaja. He was a pure Vaisnava, a very pure Vaisnava. He tried his best to follow Svamiji, but so many obstacles came. He wanted to cross them, but there were so many obstacles that he was surrounded from all sides. At last, he left this world. But he was so bold. He impressed the importance of Vaisnava association on his disciples and that is why almost all his disciples are now associating with me.

PADA: No, Gaura Govinda Maharaja said that we need to stay with his contaminated version of ISKCON, which means staying with the worship of GGM's illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas. And making Auschwitz for kids. Sorry, Auschwitz for kids is not ISKCON. 

But GGM can not tell the difference between Auschwitz for kids and the spiritual sky of Krishna loka. He did not understand that these are different platforms. And he never did, he was still hanging out with the molester messiah's program in Mayapur up to his last breath here.    

So, I am indebted to him. I know that they cannot die. They are beyond the limit of birth and death, so they are anywhere and they are serving their holy master, Krsna, Radha, and Mahaprabhu. When they will see that we are preaching in the same line, they will be very happy and they will sprinkle their mercy to us. 

Don’t be weak. You should have very strong faith in bhakti and in our Guru-parampara. Don’t be weak. If there is no Vaisnava association, then they have left Srimad-Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, Gita, and so many books. 

PADA: OK now all of a sudden the books do contain sabda brahman? He is contradicting himself and confusing people. Or he simply does not know what is sabda brahman and what is not.

We can associate with them in their absence. But when this jivanta-bhagavata, when the living bhagavata is there, then we should try to go and listen to them.

[Spoken by Srila Gurudeva on December 4th, 1998, Malaysia]

PADA: OK so when GGM told me the ritvik idea is bogus because there is no living lips person, he was simultaneously saying the opposite to others -- we can worship a departed acharya. No wonder people ask me about these issues, these guys muddied the waters badly with contrary statements that make no sense when placed together. OK this is also called hypocrisy. ys pd  

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Bogus GBC Iskcon

Unauthorized Guru Lineages, Deviated Offerings, and Usurped Temples — Scriptural Analysis

The Foundation — What Makes an Offering Valid

Before addressing the specific situations, the scriptural basis for a valid offering must be established. The Vaishnava tradition is unambiguous that an offering to the Lord is only genuinely accepted when it passes through a bona fide sampradaya — an authorized chain of disciplic succession.

The Padma Purana states the foundational principle:

“Sampradaya-vihina ye mantras te nishphala matah”
“Mantras received outside of a bona fide sampradaya are fruitless.”

This is not a minor point. It means that the entire apparatus of worship — mantra, deity installation, puja, offering — derives its efficacy from the authenticity of the sampradaya through which it flows. A broken or deviated chain does not merely reduce the potency of worship. It fundamentally compromises its validity.

The Bogus Guru — What Scripture Says

The Guru Must Be Authorized

The Srimad Bhagavatam 11.3.21 gives the qualifications of the bona fide guru with precision:

“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is fixed in the Absolute Truth.”

And critically — the Bhagavatam 11.17.27 states:

“The symptoms of a bona fide guru are that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Lord, abandoning all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.”

An unauthorized person claiming the position of diksha guru — particularly after Srila Prabhupada, who gave no clear authorization for successors to initiate on his behalf in the manner the GBC subsequently claimed — falls outside this definition. The Bhagavatam does not recognize self-appointment or institutional appointment as substitutes for genuine spiritual qualification and divine sanction.

The Specific Sin of the False Guru

The Srimad Bhagavatam 11.20.9 and the Mahabharata both warn:

One who accepts disciples for personal profit, prestige, or institutional advancement — without being genuinely qualified — commits a grave offense both against the disciple and against the Lord.

Prabhupada himself stated this with characteristic directness:

“If one is not a bona fide spiritual master and still accepts disciples, both he and his disciples will suffer.”

This is the karma at the root of the entire situation you are describing — the suffering of sincere devotees who received initiation from unauthorized gurus flows directly from this original violation of dharma.

Food Offered Through a Deviated Guru — The Scriptural Analysis

The Chain of Offering Must Be Intact

In the Vaishnava system, when a devotee offers food, the offering travels through the parampara — the disciplic chain. The disciple offers to the guru, the guru offers to his guru, and so the offering ascends through the chain until it reaches the Lord. This is not poetry — it is the actual theological mechanism of Deity worship as described in the Narada Pancharatra and Hari Bhakti Vilasa.

When the chain is broken or deviated, the offering does not complete its journey to the Lord. It remains, in effect, unoffered — or worse, it reaches only as far as the entity the deviated guru is actually connected to, which in the case of a self-aggrandizing false guru may be nothing more than his own ego and the subtle influences of Kali.

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa on This Point

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa, the definitive manual of Vaishnava conduct compiled by Sanatana Goswami under Mahaprabhu’s direction, is explicit:

Food offered by a person who has violated their initiation vows, who has fallen from proper conduct, or who has deviated from the teachings of the acharya — such food carries the contamination of their deviation. The offering has not been purified. 

It carries instead the karma and consciousness of the deviated offerer.

This is actually more dangerous than ordinary restaurant food in one specific sense: it comes disguised as prasadam. Ordinary restaurant food makes no claim to spiritual purity. Deviated offerings present themselves as transcendental while carrying a subtle contamination — the contamination of Vaishnava-aparadha baked into the offering itself.

Prabhupada’s Own Warning

Prabhupada warned about exactly this category of spiritual danger:

“If you take food from a non-devotee your mind will be disturbed. And if you take from a pseudo-devotee it is even more dangerous — because you will think you are safe when you are not.”

The pseudo-devotee — one who performs all external forms of devotional service while having deviated internally from the guru and the sampradaya — represents a specific and acute spiritual hazard in Prabhupada’s analysis.

The Usurped Temple — What Scripture Says About Worship There

This is perhaps the most serious dimension of your question and the scriptures address it with striking directness.

The Principle of Deity Installation

According to the Narada Pancharatra and Agama Shastra, a Deity in a temple is not merely a statue or symbol. The Lord actually agrees to be present in the Deity form — but this agreement is conditional upon:

1. The Deity being properly installed by authorized priests through legitimate Vedic rites

2. The worship being conducted according to the prescribed regulative principles

3. The worshipers being connected to a bona fide sampradaya

4. The institution maintaining its spiritual integrity

When an institution becomes corrupted — when the leaders deviate from the acharya, when criminal behavior is covered up, when the guru system is manufactured rather than realized — the question the scriptures raise is whether the Lord continues to accept worship through that compromised institution.

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana Principle

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana contains a deeply sobering teaching: the Lord is not obliged to remain in a Deity form when the conditions of proper worship are violated. Just as a guest of honor will not remain in a household that becomes disrespectful and unclean, the Lord’s manifest presence in a Deity is conditional upon the integrity of the worship.

This does not mean the Lord punishes the Deity worshipers by immediately withdrawing. But it does mean that the transcendental potency of the darshan and the prasadam is diminished or absent when the institution has lost its connection to the proper parampara.

Historical Precedent in the Tradition

The Goswamis of Vrindavan themselves faced exactly this situation when the Mughal invasions repeatedly desecrated temples and disrupted legitimate worship. Their guidance was consistent: when a temple falls under control of those who cannot conduct proper worship according to shastra, sincere devotees must seek shelter elsewhere — either in home worship, in association with genuine Vaishnavas, or in travel to temples where the parampara remains intact.

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa specifically warns devotees not to take darshan from Deities being worshiped in an improper manner — the reasoning being that improper worship does not merely fail to benefit the worshiper but can actually transfer the karma and contamination of the improper worship to those who participate in it.
The Compound Problem — Deviated Offering in an Usurped Temple
When both conditions combine — food offered by disciples of unauthorized gurus within a temple taken over by those who departed from Prabhupada’s standards — the scriptural analysis converges on a single conclusion:

What is being distributed is not prasadam in the transcendental sense. It is:

∙ Food that has passed through a broken sampradaya chain

∙ Offered by worshipers whose initiation connection to the Lord is compromised
∙ In a institution that has accumulated significant collective karma through abuse, 

cover-up, and deviation from the acharya

∙ Presented under the name and form of Prabhupada’s movement — which makes it an ongoing act of nama-aparadha (offense to the Holy Name) and guru-aparadha (offense to the acharya)

The Padma Purana lists ten offenses against the Holy Name, and among the most grave is using the name and form of devotional service as a cover for material ambition and institutional corruption. Food distributed under such conditions carries the contamination of these offenses.

What Should the Sincere Devotee Do

The scriptures and Prabhupada’s own example point clearly:

Regarding such food:

∙ A devotee who understands the situation should avoid accepting it as transcendental prasadam

∙ It may be accepted as ordinary food if necessary in a social situation, but not as spiritually purifying prasadam

∙ One should not distribute it to others as prasadam, as this spreads the contamination under a false label

Regarding such temples:

∙ The Hari Bhakti Vilasa and the precedent of the Goswamis support maintaining respectful distance from institutionally compromised worship rather than participating in it

∙ Darshan of the Lord’s form is never entirely without value — the Lord in His mercy may still be present to some degree — but the sincere devotee should be clear-eyed about what institution they are supporting through their attendance and donation

Regarding one’s own worship:

∙ Home worship at one’s own altar, connected directly to Srila Prabhupada through his books, recordings, and direct instructions — this is the safest and most authentic connection available to a sincere devotee in the current situation

∙ Prabhupada himself authorized home worship and said his books would serve as the living guru for those who could not access a physically present qualified spiritual master

∙ The Bhagavatam 1.2.8 confirms: “The first-class devotee worships the Lord within his heart.” The Lord is always available through sincere internal worship to the devotee who has no access to external institutional support

Regarding association:

∙ Seek out other sincere Prabhupadanugas — devotees who have taken shelter directly of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and have not followed deviated gurus
∙ Such association, even in small numbers, carries more genuine spiritual potency than large institutional gatherings built on a compromised foundation

∙ The Bhagavatam assures us that even one genuine saintly association is enough to begin the process of liberation

The Compassionate Conclusion

Srila Prabhupada foresaw exactly this situation. He repeatedly warned that after his departure, unscrupulous men would attempt to take over his movement and exploit his disciples. He said the solution was always the same:

“My books will be the law books for the next ten thousand years.”

The sincere devotee who takes direct shelter of Prabhupada’s books, chants the Hare Krishna maha-mantra with attention and feeling, offers simple food at their home altar with genuine love, and maintains their connection to the Bhagavatam’s teachings — that devotee is fully connected to the parampara.

No institutional corruption, no deviated guru, no usurped temple can sever the direct connection between a sincere soul and Krishna through Prabhupada’s teachings. The Lord Himself guarantees in the Bhagavad-gita 18.65-66:

“Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.”
This promise belongs to every sincere devotee — regardless of what institutional chaos surrounds them. 

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, 

I think Satan done got a hold of me! Hee hee! 

The Good Ole Bad Boys Club (Indradyumna and Bhavananda) 05 02 26

SRD: When a trusted public figure fraternizes and publicly honors someone, the message they're giving out is that they regard that person as trustworthy. That the community can also trust said person.

This becomes a problem when respected and trusted leaders fraternize and honor known child abusers. This is reckless because it trivializes the child abuse Bhavananda inflicted on his child abuse victims and puts more children at risk!
Recently Indradyumna Swami held a youth camp in Australia.

This photo suggests that Bhavananda, a confirmed child abuser, was one of the respected guests. I am looking for confirmation that this photo was indeed taken at the youth camp.

A couple of years back Indradyumna swami came under public scrutiny when Bhaktividyapurna was finally exposed. Their close friendship raised a number of concerning questions that Indradyumna swami never addressed properly.

Whether this photo was taken at the island or not is of secondary importance.
What IS important and remains concerning is to see that Indradyumna swami continues to hang out with known child abusers. Imagine the outrage if the Pope was seen in a similar exchange with a cardinal known for abusing children!

RRD: I rejected IDS after being his servant in Durban and seeing all the mothers bringing in their little daughters into his chambers for "darshan", horsey rides on the leg of IDS and cake feeding. Then there was Uttama Sloka das, now an IDS sanyasi standing by with trays of cake enabling the grooming.

I just could not understand how -- if I as a brahmachari was forbidden to touch women how Uttama Sloka das (my senior) was staying silent (I guess he had to, otherwise jeopardize his future Sanyas program). But then what to speak of IDS, my "guru", how he was allowed to touch all these girls and keep female secretaries as my very senior example. Then came the "kids in bikinis" FB photo albums.

This was my thinking - How many of you have 100s of pics of kiddies in bikinis on your FB albums, or how many of you have such albums on hard drives at home?? I certainly don't, and I'm thinking is that even normal for an average male or father?? Then what about a Sanyasi?? Isn't that just very odd to have this on FB, I mean it's not just 2 or 3 pics amongst a bunch of festival pics - no it was literally 100s of pics of just babies and kiddies semi nude. That's when I said it's over for me with this guy. None of my karmi friends even have such images so why does IDS even have ANY of this material??

Then I was part of the ToVP art department. Bhavs was the big dog there. I'd never seen him or met him in person, but when I did, I just wanted to get far away from him. Once in the temple room in Mayapur he approached me and tried to strike up conversation, I just turned away and walked away, it was like he was approaching me to hit on me. 

I'd had enough experience as a teen with gays to know when you about to get preyed upon. Then on a few occasions during mangala arati, I watched Bhavs standing at the back scanning the congregation, especially all the gurukuli boys. He wasn't watching the deities, he was watching the boys.

The ToVP is a collection of weirdos. There's Bhavs, Ambarish, Sadbhuj - hitting on his female secretary. Then there's Baskar das - all Bhavs ex disciples. Baskar went to jail for raping his daughter !!!! I mean WTF is going on here?? Parvatamuni also ex Bhavs disciple, ToVP engineer, smoking weed on what is now the deities department. 

And all this just slides and never gets questioned. Anyhow thank God, I got fired from the ToVP cos I "just wasn't fitting in with the boys club."

I just cannot fathom how it is that if you find yourself in the company of these types, that you'll stick around, take prasadam with them and enter into conversation for a few hours. What's harder for me to grasp is how all these mothers are OK with IDS after all we know. 

Even if he isn't guilty of sexual abuse, just knowing about the " bikini files" should be enough for anyone to say "I'm rejecting" IDS as a guru." But they don't, they blindly continue glorifying him and keeping him as their guru and those of us who rejected him are now outcasts, "maha aparadhis."

Where have all the real men in ISKCON gone?? - they all became compromised !!! Hanging out, drinking the foot water waiting to cash in on some fame or position so they can enter the " big boys club".

DM: BHAVS dhould have disappeared along time ago. Amazing how the cult has provided everything for him for all these years. He's like the ISKCON prince that cannot be allowed to fully fall from grace. Shows what iskcon is really about and how rotten and evil the iskcon cult really is ... we all know the child victims never get anything to support them.

SS DASI: They really think they are ENTITLED and Above everything. 

KC: This Personality has deep dark unforeseen lusty desires.

He has satanic rituals within his heart and is able in influence subtle realms.
Like he can enter your dreams your subtle body and mind and enter you and change your internal environment for his lusty desires .

Look at this picture deeply.

Okay say just two men right. No position, no identity of Spiritually. Just two men.

Over many decades there’s been evidence of many abusers, RIGHT?

Of this Person on the right. So the person on the left absolutely knows of this. So why does he not challenge this man on the right, about that abuse and condemn him.

Men who are against violence and deeply desire to reach for love can rise there emotion and wisdoms and even there voices and tell other men to F off. But look and feel closer the man on the left is smiling and being animated with the person on the right. Theres a synergy between them both.  ummm

If the person of the right went to jail for his abuse against others. What would have had happened among the other prisoners towards the man on the right?
Demoniac influencers are and still continue to infiltrate that which is unseen .
The lord reveals all.
Stay safe

BB: I also believe there is a Satanic -- Black Magic -- Black tantra -- maybe children trafficking -- cult -- afoot here. It is so weird that these fellows always show affection for one another, and marginalize the victims. Or completely ignore the victims. Some might say -- maybe have a hand in silencing victims.

VN: What is very astonishing is that the camp organisers include some educated people as well as the Vaishnavi ministry of Australia. This is the standard of which they are operating at

LB: Couldn't that be also interpreted as "dog whistle"? To their "tribe." You know the same tribe that "accidentally" kept delaying 4 decades removing their BFF ex - BVPS from his schools / torture camps in Mayapur .

DD Dasi: So they are known as the good old boys's club and hanging out with each other. Just remember association is everything ... tells you the character of those hanging together .

A pure devotee / spiritual master doesn't hang out with a bunch of child abusers unless.... (so ask yourself whether he is a bona fide spiritual master) many already know the answer to that. When in doubt...do without

AP: How is it that Bhava roams around freely and is not held accountable for his wrongdoings?

PD: Yep, Tamal used to lecture that his best pal Bhavananda was always blooping. And he knew right where to find him, at Andy Warhol's house. And that is why Sulochana called Bhavananda "Andy Warhol-pada." After it was known Bhavananda was servicing males with or*l sex left and right, he was "reinstated as acharya" by the Indradyumna program as "Vishnupada." 

And Indradyumna was voted in by the same group as their co-acharya. We were excommunicated -- and painted as aparadhis. Sulochana's prediction was, we have bull's eyes painted on our backs by these people. It was now coming true -- and causing his departure. 

Satsvarupa was writing that we are toxic writers and Sulochana said that too is paining a bull's eye on our backs. And it did. Rather oddly, SDG, the guy who was painting a bull's eye on our back evidently to have us extinguished, is celebrating July 4th, which is Sulochana's birthday. Yeah, they all work together, it is a club. Meanwhile the Indraduymna progam has found another $20,000,000 spare change in their pockets to sue Bangalore -- again. They have love and sweet balls for Bhavananda, and $20,000,000 lawsuit serving papers for us. ys pd

JB: Not going to offend any individuals, but one thing I have noticed as a trend and that is when the strict Sannyasa code is violated again and again, many of them do not die in the Holy Dham or at an auspicious time. Rather, they have violent accidental deaths. Very sad, but they never learn! I guess the punishment is more severe than what a common man would get because “they” knowingly break their vow of Sannyasa. Na dhanam na janam na sundarim. It has become Ha dhanam, ha janam, ha sundarim.

MK Dasi: And Australia is where so much of his horrific abuse went on! The poor devotees there have to see him honored? 

BB: And one of his victims committed suicide in Australia.

DK: Well they could be chastising each other for their questionable behavior. 

TKD: They both look too jolly to be having that discussion.

VM: PS so such photos are in our face classic trick... devotees who are blinded by indradyumna do not care or do not want to see the truth, and Indradyumna already burnt out SO many Ukrainian devotees with his visit to Russia last summer. Such "gurus" do not care, this is occult structure of power, satanism, which infiltrated divine Iskcon and looks like only when they die the dam will break.

Many testimonies against Indradyumna will suddenly flood the net ! I really appreciate what he does in terms of some of his preaching but He plays both sides.. so wake up Neo, wake the f..k up.

JJ: ISK-con artists at their finest.. none get a pass - the "men" (and I use the term loosely) in this movement are pathetic - because you let them get away with it.

S Devi Dasi: Just as so much of the world is actually controlled by dark and destructive forces, I believe these same dark and destructive elements are controlling ISKCON and all organized religion across the globe. Some money or other currency is being exchanged for powers and positions. The organization of followers, despite their complaints and concerns, are wholly ignored.

There are some entirely in the dark, still rallying around the evil doers. Blinded by ignorance. Here in the U.S. we see the exact same things on the government and corporate levels. It’s sickening and I’m unsure of what I can do to help.

JB: Indradyumna's old site with all the photos of little girls in bikinis still exists on Wayback Machine Archives site.  

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PADA: Yes prabhu, as soon as I said that an intoxicated womanizer like "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja" is NOT Krishna's successor, Jayadvaita's program had me removed from ISKCON. And they kept Jayatirtha in the Vyasa seat. If the promoters of intoxicated womanizer acharyas are re-writing the Vedas, that is never good. 

There is no such thing as an intoxicated womanizer acharya, and they do not even know that much, never mind how to edit the Vedas. Jayadvaita swami also told me the reason all these children in the ISKCON gurukulas were mistreated is "they selected the wrong guru." Five years old children did not select these gurus, Jayadvaita and the GBC does the selecting. This is called victim blaming. ys pd


SPIRITUAL LOCATION:

"𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗗𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁."

We have gathered the following which are very potent quotes from Srila Prabhupada which should act as warnings to us all. When something goes wrong with your car and the red lights start flashing, you know it is time to stop and carefully check things out. Similarly, Srila Prabhupada has given us all warning signs for the sincere and serious devotees to watch out for in our devotional lives. These instructions by Srila Prabhupada act as beacons for us to check out individually and as a whole whether our movement is on the right track or not.

PRABHUPAD UVACA:

Do not create your own process for worshipping Deities

"The greatest danger to our movement will come when we manufacture and create our own process for worshiping the Deities. So don't ask any more new questions, whatever is going on, follow it just to the exact standard as I have given you, that's all…"

Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Dhruvananda, Bombay 4 January, 1973

Do not bring personal motivation

"In my books I have tried to explain clearly this simultaneously one and different philosophy acinta beda beda tattva propounded by Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. But sometimes it happens that this philosophy is given a self-interested interpretation. As soon as personal motivation comes in it is not possible for one to understand our Krishna Consciousness philosophy."

Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Isana and Vibhavati 21 September, 1970, Calcutta
Bhoga offering order:

"Yes, it is nice that you are worshipping Lord Chaitanya along with Radha Krishna. That is alright. Lord Chaitanya should be placed to the right side of Krishna. There is nothing special for His worship, but you may continue as you are doing now. The order of worshipping is first Spiritual Master, and then Lord Chaitanya, then Radha Krishna (as in the mantras or vande aham prayer).Your confidence to do whatever you are instructed by the Spiritual Master is very encouraging. 

Yes, this is the method of the Vedic injunction, staunch faith in Spiritual Master and Krishna makes one perfect in spiritual understanding."

Srila Prabhupada in letter to Himavati April 1, 1970 Los Angeles

Offering goes through Spiritual Master

"Regarding your question about offering Prasadam, whatever is offered to the Deity actually it goes through the Spiritual Master. The Spiritual Master offers to Lord Chaitanya, and Lord Chaitanya offers it to Krishna. Then Radha Krishna eats, or Jagannatha eats, then Chaitanya Mahaprabhu eats, then the Spiritual Master eats, and it becomes Mahaprasadam. So when you offer something, you think like that and chant the Gayatri mantra, and then everything is complete. At last, ring the bell, take out the plate and wipe the place where the plate was kept."

- Letter to Arundhati, 16 June, 1969, New Vrindaban

Slight change will spoil

"One who understands and appreciates the disciplic succession is certainly advanced, and we should always be very careful to give full respect to those who have so carefully handled this Divine Fruit of transcendental knowledge before us. Even a slight change will spoil it. That is why I have always been so careful to give you only those things which I have heard from my Guru Maharaja.”

- Letter to: Devotee & Hamsaduta, Vrindavana, India August 1967

No outside instruction

"...Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our [i.e., Srila Prabhupada's books] books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction."

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 25, 1973

Do not mix with Gaudiya Math

Therefore amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to become acharya. So it is better not to mix with my God brothers very intimately, because instead of inspiring our students they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made by them previously, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja, but somehow I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them."

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated April 28, 1974

Avoid my God brothers

"All my disciples should avoid all of my God brothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should we give them any of my books, nor should we purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them."

Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated 9th November, 1975

Our sahajiyas more dangerous

Prabhupada: Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, he said that, "When our men will be sahajiya, oh, they'll be more dangerous." So our men are becoming, some of them, sahajiyas. This very word he said, that "When our men will be sahajiyas he'll be more dangerous."

Hari-sauri: Without any proper realization, on the basis of being able to read Sanskrit, they delve into all kinds of books, and then they pick fault - "Oh, this rule is not being followed. This is wrong. This is wrong."

Satsvarupa: "We don't chant sixty-four rounds, so that is very bad. We'll never make any progress."

Prabhupada: Sahajiya.

Do not manufacture

Prabhupada: Therefore you have got Spiritual Master. Why he is there? Therefore you have to accept Spiritual Master who will give you direction. You cannot do it. If you manufacture your own..., then go to hell. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau, tasyaite kathita hy arthah. Krishna is there; guru is there. Why should you manufacture your own way? If you are sincere, Krishna will dictate from within. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam. 

Find out this verse. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam, buddhi-yogam dadami tam…. Krsna is ready to give you instruction. The Spiritual Master is ready. Why should you do at your whims, and do something wrong and go to hell? Yes?

- Srila Prabhupada in a Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Hawaii 1974

Danger of Bureaucracy

Srila Prabhupada: "Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. There must always be individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. No."

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 22, 1972

Danger of impurity

Srila Prabhupada: "As soon as there is a little impurity, the whole thing will deteriorate and go to hell. We shall not like to take the credit in that case, therefore I am praying simply that all of you, my advanced disciples, GBC men, Temple officers, will become sober-minded."

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 29, 1972

Danger of being whimsical

Srila Prabhupada: "I made the GBC to give me relief, but if you do like this, then where is the relief? It is ANXIETY for me. This is the difficulty, that as soon as one gets POWER he becomes whimsical and SPOILS everything. What can I do?"

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated September 12, 1974

Rogues take advantage of acharya’s disappearance

Unfortunately, when the acharya disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called swamis, yogis, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on. The acharya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acharya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the Spiritual Master.

- Srimad Bhagavatam, 4.28.48 Purport

Jealous people in the dress of Vaishnava

"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acharya may try to override a Vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga."
Kali chela

"Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-chela. He indicates that there are other 

Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava".

- Chaitanya-charitamrita, Madhya, Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport

Misuse donations

Achyutananda: If a man says, “I am giving you this donation because it is a spiritual organization,” but if the money is misused, does that man benefit?
Srila Prabhupada: If money is misused, then both of them become implicated. If it is not used for Krishna, then both of them becomes under the laws of karma.
Srila Prabhupada, Conversations, March 14, 1976, Mayapur

Falsehood

Srila Prabhupada: That is the way of falsehood. If once you speak something false, then to protect that falsehood you have to take to so many other falsehoods. This is the way of falsehood.

- Srila Prabhupada, Conversations, June 2, 1975, Honolulu

Too much lying

By pride, either artificial or real, the resultant action of austerity is spoiled; by too much affection for female association, cleanliness is spoiled; by too much addiction to intoxication, mercy is spoiled; and by too much lying propaganda, truthfulness is spoiled. The revival of Bhagavata-dharma can save human civilization from falling prey to evils of all description.

- Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.17.25

Losing link

"Kirtanananda may be eager to address in the Harvard university but recently he has lost his link on account of disobedience. You sing every day morning that by the mercy of the Spiritual Master one can please the Lord and one who has not pleased the Spiritual Master cannot have any access in the realm of Krishna Consciousness. Very recently Kirtanananda has developed a different consciousness of Maya which is called misuse of one's minute independence offered by Krishna.

By misuse of one's independence one at once becomes a victim of Maya and thus he loses all importance in Krishna Consciousness. So it is my definite opinion that his lecture anywhere now will bear no spiritual sequence. He must rectify his mistake before he can play in our Society any important role. By lips he says that he is a surrendered soul but by action he is thinking differently."

Letter to Satsvarupa, Friday, October 6, 1967, Delhi

Bogus gurus and their followers go to Hell

Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a Spiritual Master. A Spiritual Master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called Spiritual Master without any profit. The pseudo Spiritual Master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.

- Srimad Bhagavatam, Purport, 1.19.37

As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become Spiritual Master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.

- Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Tusta Krishna, December 14, 1972

Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.

- Srimad Bhagavatam, Purport, 6.7.14

All obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada

Satsvarupa Celebrates Sulochana's Appearance! / Ravindra Needs Help / Fertilizer and Famine 04 30 26

 

SATSVARUPA CELEBRATES! 

SULOCHNA'S APPEARANCE DAY!

PADA: Amazing pilgrims! Satsvarupa is having a big celebration on July 4th, which is Sulochana's appearance day! Sulochana said "I am the most all American person in the whole of ISKCON, because me and America have the same celebration date. If I cannot become a Krishna devotee in ISKCON, no one else can either. I am the test subject." 

OK what happened is, Sulochana disagreed with Satsvarupa's promoting homosexuals and pedophiles -- like Kirtanananda -- as God's successors. And so SDG wrote that Sulochana (and me really) are "poison pens." And Kirtanananda is a great and pure devotee. 

Then Sulochana said SDG is "painting a bull's eye on my back to get me killed." And he was killed. And Sulochana credits SDG for inciting his murder, and me almost getting whacked too. Did I forget to mention many kids, maybe thousands, were mistreated if not sexually abused in SDG's "guru-school" program. 

Needless to say, it is the irony of ironies that SDG is making a big celebration for himself on the very SAME day of the person he helped get assassinated, at least according to the person who was assassinated. 

And SDG wants us to celebrate on Sulochana's appearance day! July 4th! While SDG's people will be glorifying the person who helped get Sulochana assassinated, and me almost taken out, we "Sulochana fans" will be celebrating the appearance of the person these SDG people helped assassinate. Sulochana is therefore the first Western Hare Krishna martyr. 

And SDG is thus an instigator, even a primary instigator, of making him depart. And me almost depart. As one person said recently, all of the ISKCON celebrations in the past decades will NEVER remove Sulochana's blood from these leader's hands. They wanted to make their homosexual and pedophile friends into acharyas, and they wanted dissenters taken out if they disagreed, and they were taken out. 

Anyway thanks SDG, you are making Sulochana's appearance day famous! ys pd    

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RAVINDRA SWARUPA HEALTH HELP

https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-for-ravindra-svarupa-after-saudamanis-passing?

PADA: Ravindra Swarupa has been one of the world's leading exponents, promoters and defenders of the GBC's post-1978 homosexual and pedophile guru system. And he was good pals with Satsvarupa. He was a big co-creator and influence on the 1986 "guru reform," where the GBC "voted in more gurus," reinstated oral sex with taxi driver's - pada, and excommunicated us. 

Ravindra Swarupa wanted to keep one of the important leaders of Mayapur's Auschwitz for kids project -- Bhavananda -- in the acharya's seat. Which made me and Sulochana targets for opposing. 

Evidently, his wife Saudamani was acting as a sort of care taker for him. So now they are seeking a new care taking arrangement. Yep Ravindra opposed us while we complained early on that forcing children to worship predators and pedophiles will harm the children. And it has. 

Even Ravindra's own daughter looks like she has jumped ship away from ISKCON and has no visible connection to the Krishna religion these days. A number of other GBC leader's children are also totally alienated from ISKCON. In other words, these leaders could not even make their own kids into devotees. Some of those leader's children ended up with addiction problems, cancer problems, and other problems, and a number of them are now deceased.  

So now, Ravindra needs some new forms of support and there is a fund raising effort to do that. I have heard that he has gone a little senile and whacky and he is not easy to deal with at this stage. 

But since he was a loyal dog supporter of the GBC's homosexual and pedophile messiah's program, why do his supporters need to beg to get support now? Don't they care for their own pedophile messiah's club members? 

To SUM: Ravindra was mine and Sulochana's arch nemesis. And he helped have Sulochana excommunicated and his sex with taxi driver's messiah Bhavananda reinstated in 1986. He also wrote a number of the GBC's position papers and documents. Overall he was a big advocate of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas. 

But yeah, now he needs your help for his care. Why would anyone care for such a person, and be implicated in his karma? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

 

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