Vaishnavi Gurus / JPS / Stinky Guru Sampradaya / Obscuring Sun

UPDATE ON THE GLOBAL VAISHNAVI DIKSHA GURU COMMITTEE
15 July, 2026

Hare Krishna Devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

The Global Vaishnavi Diksha Guru (VDG) Committee held its inaugural meeting on 14 July 2026 under the chairmanship of Govardhana Dasa, First Vice-Chairman of the GBC Executive Committee. The committee has been established by the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) to facilitate dialogue and consultation on the subject of Vaishnavi Diksha Gurus and to prepare a proposal for consideration by the GBC at its 2026 Midterm Meeting.

The committee includes representatives nominated by the Africa Regional Governing Body, Euro Regional Governing Body, India Bureau, Latin America Regional Governing Body, North American Regional Governing Body, Singapore & Far East, and Middle East. Invitations were also extended to the Chinese Council and Russian Governing Council, both of which chose not to nominate representatives for the committee.

Its mandate is to study the relevant GBC resolutions and supporting submissions, engage in respectful dialogue and consultation, and prepare a proposal for consideration by the GBC.

During its first meeting, the committee:

- approved its Terms of Reference and meeting schedule;

- reviewed the relevant GBC resolutions that forms the basis of its work;

- heard introductory perspectives from regional representatives; and

- agreed on the process and agenda for future meetings.

The committee will continue meeting through October 2026, with structured presentations, discussions, and consultation forming part of its deliberations.
As part of its work, the committee also intends to invite senior Vaishnavas to share their perspectives during future meetings. Regular updates on the committee's work will be shared with the ISKCON community as the deliberations progress.

- Issued by GBC Communications

PADA Heh heh heh. A woman sent me this and she said -- great, after all the ISKCON women are already alienated out, fried out, burnt out, removed, dead, gone, blooped, or they hate ISKCON, or want to sue ISKCON, or they are in the hospital with cancer, now all of a sudden they might be made into gurus. 

No! There is no one left to make into a guru, they are all gone. The GBC are running out the clock. But no sane woman would even want to be a fellow GBC member in their assembly anyway, these men are way too creepy. Even if they make some token women gurus, it is too late, the women a done with them. 

Well yup! 

ys pd 

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JAYAPATAKA SUPPORTED THE ABUSERS

RD: Hooley Dooley, that is one hell of a post. I believe it all unfortunately. During my time in the Mayapur as a gurukula teacher I just couldn't understand Jayapataka's indifference and reluctance to deal with and correct all the disgusting goings on within the institution. I was young and naive and that was the beginning of the end for me. I've tried to not criticize unnecessarily over the years but it's hard to ignore the facts. His support of Anirdesya Vapu and others was terrible.

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THE STINKY DIRTY LAUNDRY GURU SAMPRADAYA

@rajeshtejwani6552

Hats off to you sir, for the tremendous amount of energy you are putting into a controversy that's best left alone. Why do you not shudder at the thought of hurting Srila Prabhupada? Why don't you both parties leave each other alone and stop washing this dirty and stinking linen in public?

PADA: Swell. We should allow the GBC's intoxicated womanizer // dirty stinky laundry guru parampara to represent themselves as Krishna's guru successors. Why do some people think we should make dirty stinky laundry // intoxicated womanizers into Krishna's guru successors -- in the first place? Even our mleccha culture knows -- dirty stinky laundry // intoxicated womanizers are not, were not, could have been -- God's guru successors.

But this is amazing, now they are saying Krishna's guru successors parampara is full of dirty stinky laundry. How do God's guru successors become dirty stinky laundry?

Worse, saying God's successors are NOT ONLY dirty stinky laundry, but the stinky acharyas should be allowed and not challenged. We should allow Krishna's successors to be designated as dirty stinky laundry, and not challenge that. Why is anyone promoting dirty stinky laundry as God's successors -- in the first place? Hello! 

Sorry, God is pure and His successors are pure, and the idea that God's successors are oftentimes dirty stinky laundry and fallen is -- false. Krishna and dirty stinky laundry should never be juxtaposed and combined together, that is simple common sense. "All glories to the GBC's dirty stinky laundry guru parampara" is never found in Vedic shastra, or even mleccha shastra. 

Not to be outdone, the HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanugas EU / Prahlad das / Bhakta Peter / Kamsahanta / Bhakta das group says that PADA should not criticize their "smelly stinky stools" guru sampradaya. Why should anyone stop people from worshiping their smelly stinky stools guru program, that also molests kids? Sulochana had them all figured out, he says they promote worshiping "sex with stools." 

So yeah, the defenders of stinky dirty laundry and / or stinky stools sampradayas are never happy when their program is exposed. People ask me this, why do these guys -- like HKC Jaipur -- defend their smelly stinky stools guru program, that molests kids, and they promote the defenders, and they are angry we are stopping people from worshiping their stinky stool sampradaya? 

Right! These folks don't even know that their smelly stinky stools program is not Krishna's guru successors. And thus they defend worshiping stinky stools. WTF! And that is why Srila Prabhupada had to tell us DO NOT MAKE IT A STOOL SOCIETY. He knew what these people could do. And they did. 

And worse, even after all this, they still defend their stinky smelly guru process. The good news is, more people are agreeing with PADA, these people are dangerous deviants. But hey this is Kali Yuga, and worshiping deviants will become prominent, and opposing will be dangerous, it is a given.  

ys pd

SHEESH PILGRIMS -- THE DIRTY STINKY LAUNDRY GURU SUCCESSION!

TOLD YA!

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JAGGANATH PURI AND RACISM

Let's kick the wasps nest. Sanātana Dharma or "Hinduism" is full of racism and body consciousness. With the shrinking representation of Westerners joining ISKCON and the larger Hindu diaspora taking over temples, we now see this in ISKCON as well. We are taught that we are not these bodies. 

But that is apparently not the case. If you are born as a Westerner or not in the "correct" family you are completely and absolutely discriminated against. If you are a "brahmana" that eats non-veg you are given the red carpet. If you are a Westerner that is completely sattvic in nature and a sadhaka, you get kicked out the back door into the alley.

Enough is enough already. Srila Prabhupada gave us this beautiful Krishna Consciousness movement to transcend social economic barriers and serve Sri Sri Radha-Krishna together. I applaud all those that have really taken to heart that we are truly Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam. We will not progress as a society until we come to that realization. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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THE RECIPE FOR "WORLD WAR THREE" IS COOKED UP BY KRISHNA AND SERVED INDIRECTLY BY HIS VARIOUS AGENTS:

(Excerpt from Purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 1.11.34)

Puffed up by such a false sense of becoming God, the deluded living being increases his material strength by so many activities and thus becomes the burden of the earth, so much so that the earth becomes completely uninhabitable by the sane. This state of affairs is called dharmasya glāṇi, or misuse of the energy of the human being. When such misuse of human energy is prominent, the saner living beings become perturbed by the awkward situation created by the vicious administrators, who are simply burdens of the earth, and the Lord appears by His internal potency just to save the saner section of humanity and to alleviate the burden due to the earthly administrators in different parts of the world. 

He does not favor either of the unwanted administrators, but by His potential power He creates hostility between such unwanted administrators, as the air creates fire in the forest by the friction of the bamboos. The fire in the forest takes place automatically by the force of the air, and similarly the hostility between different groups of politicians takes place by the unseen design of the Lord. The unwanted administrators, puffed up by false power and military strength, thus become engaged in fighting amongst themselves over ideological conflicts and so exhaust themselves of all powers. The history of the world reflects this factual will of the Lord, and it will continue to be enacted until the living beings are attached to the service of the Lord.

PADA: Someone was complaining I am not giving credit to Krishna and the demigods for making all these troubles in the world. I am blaming Russia, MAGA, politicians, bogus ISKCON leaders and so on and so forth. Well yes and no. 

Sure! Krishna is in charge of everything that happens, down to the smallest atomic particle, and that is a fact. The demigods are second in command. At the same time, when Krishna is advising Arjuna to fight the Kauravas, He is not saying -- what is the use -- the material energy, Maya, the demigods, forces of nature etc. are causing all this. 

Nope, Krishna says these are evil people doing evil things and they need to be held to account. That does not mean that Krishna and the demigods are not involved. They are, but they are simply facilitating the fighting, they are not the Russian, Ukraine, USA, Iran etc. soldiers and warriors, they are the facilitating agents. 

Krishna owns the boxing match hall, but He is not one of the boxers, nor are the demigods. We are! At the same time, Maya makes people do things they would rather not do. "I murdered my wife -- but I don't know what happened or why etc." OK also true. 

So in some ways we are also controlled by Maya, but we originally surrendered to the control of Maya in the first place, so we are still the main efficient cause. After we surrendered to Maya, we lost our freedom powers and can then be controlled by the modes, other citizens of Maya, the modes of passion and ignorance and etc. Also true. But we originated the cause of being controlled by the modes.

It is however -- also a fact -- that Krishna arranges the belligerent parties to fight each other, to cancel one another out. So He is sort of helping that mutual destruction along. But the parties who are belligerent -- again -- created their own destruction, Krishna just facilitated it. 

They wanted a fight, they got one. But later on, they may not have been happy with the outcome, because they did not understand there is a limit to their material powers. We murdered someone, thinking this is a good idea, then -- we got arrested. OK not a good idea after all. 

The modes made this and that happen, or maybe not happen, but we still go to jail and take a suffering next birth. We are still considered as the main creators of our own situation, and blaming Satan for making us sin, won't work. If we signed up to serve Maya, we are the original root cause of the ensuing reactions. ys pd  

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The GBC: Obscuring the Sampradaya Sun

Sattvic Dāsa – Calcutta: When we speak of the Sampradaya Sun we speak of he who is enlightening human society with transcendental knowledge or he who is the pride of the Sampradaya and I am sure the GBC accepts His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada as the person who enlightens all the devotees. Others, (Gaudiya Math) may refer to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami and still others may refer to their own Guru.

I am concerned With Srila Prabhupada.

What I cannot accept is why the GBC are so adamant in maintaining that the ritviks are wrong to the point that they don’t even want to discuss this solution in their proposals for change?

I am making an attempt to analyze this discrepancy.

The Sampradaya is the chain of disciplic succession. There are four Vaisnava Sampradays. Ours is the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya coming down from Lord Brahma to the present day. Srila Prabhupada is the “current link”. Has he ceased to be the link after his physical departure? Not to my knowledge.
There are many gaps between one Acharya and the next sometime thousands of years or more. We have Srila Vyasadeva and then immediately the next one is Madhvacharya. How many years in between the two great souls? So what exactly is the link? It is the transcendental knowledge. Such Knowledge remains intact in its principle but may differ in some detail according to time, place and circumstance. As such Acharyas may differ somewhat in the application of the principles by adopting means that are suitable for preaching Krishna consciousness to the people of that particular time.

As long as the teachings of the current link remain valid we can conclude that he remains the Acharya. One of the objections to the ritvik system is how will the disciplic succession go on? How can it stop with Srila Prabhupada? We need a living guru to connect us to the sampradaya etc.etc. This argument is by nature a faulty one.

First of all, no one can alter, add or subtract from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. No GBC no sannyasi, no one for as long as Sri Krishna decides. Why – Because the continuation of the Sampradaya is in His hands. Not in the hands of conditioned souls in the way of continuing a business or family or a dynasty of kings. These are all mundane considerations that have no place in Vaisnava culture.
How is the GBC obscuring the Sun of the Sampradaya – Srila Prabhupada?

It’s plain and simple. They are, by denying Srila Prabhupada’s position as the initiator spiritual master for his society, leaving the door open for ambitious people that somehow there is some chance to become a guru. Otherwise why is there such an animosity to a direct order of the Acharya? After all if Srila Prabhupada cannot initiate (posthumously as they insultingly call it) then someone has to take up that very important service.

Furthermore, so many godbrothers attempted to play the role of Guru with the mandate of the GBC and fell short in delivering the goods. So who is left? Others are still there hanging by the skin of their teeth.

Speculation is very dangerous. Replacing a conditioned souls with another conditioned soul thinking that maybe (keep your finger crossed) he will not fall down is an utterly foolish proposition. And I don’t leave it at that. Fall down does not only mean having sex. Disobeying the order of the spiritual master is also a fall down. By definition the all gamut of hypocrites who are now occupying (by force) positions within Srila Prabhupada’s Institution are fallen.

I don’t want to make this article a long one. My concern is that devotees who are still believing the gross lies of the GBC are taken for a ride. Different degrees of ignorance is still ignorance.

The GBC is, has and will continue to obscure Srila Prabhupada by imposing speculations. There is a need for proper, honest distribution of information to safeguard the spiritual interest of countless souls who want shelter of Krishna. The mercy of Krishna cannot be obtained unless we take refuge at the lotus feet of a Bona-fide spiritual master. That Spiritual master is Srila Prabhupada not any self-deluded conditioned soul.

The Sampradaya will continue with Srila Prabhupada as long as the Lord allows it. He will then make arrangements as He has done since time immemorial. We have to stop committing the sin of presumption thinking that we are more intelligent than our spiritual master.

I had only one morning walk with Srila Prabhupada. It was in 1976 in Mayapur, a pleasant January morning. We were only three of us and His Divine grace. It was Bhavananda, Tamal Krishna and me. Srila Prabhupada stopped in front of the main gate and stuck his cane on the ground. He looked in the sky and said with a very grave voice. “You cannot step over the head of the Spiritual Master”. He kept walking and said no more for the duration of the walk.

How many more times do we have to witness devotees stepping over the head of Srila Prabhupada? Tamal and Bhavananda went on doing just that and met with disaster both spiritual and material. The GBC have to stop committing this mistake and come to their senses otherwise their fate is sealed. Arrogance and over intelligence are not qualities of those who claim to be followers of Srila Prabhupada.

Let the GBC shine with the true teachings of Srila Prabhupada. He is the light of Iskcon and the eternal guide of any sincere seeker of transcendence. Give up this animosity to his order and bow down to his will.
Your servant
Sattvic Dāsa

ISKCON History / PADA's Taxi / Gaura Govinda / Ritviks / JND / 07 17 26

Jai Jagganath Swami! 

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Jatayu: THE 180 DEGREE INVERSION OF HISTORY:

So many audio tapes and documents are missing from the later months of Srila Prabhupada's life. In the screenshot below, we find memoirs of Yasoda nanda of Tamal's obscurantism accompanying the destruction of records around this time.

Tamal and the others who were operating as a clandestine clique within the movement, did their very best to cover up Srila Prabhupada's instructions on many matters, such as continuing the process of initiations as it had been going on, via the formal appointment of representatives.

Instead, these conspirators announced to the society after Srila Prabhupada's physical departure, that these eleven representatives listed by Srila Prabhupada in the July 9th directive, had instead been appointed as successor acharyas with zonal jurisdictions.

Even today, those who are advocating for the reinstatement of the original system of initiations face stigma, exclusion and even physical harm, for doing so. For example, when the Calcutta temple attempted to reinstate this system, Jayapataka sent his goons to go and beat the devotees, with injuries including broken bones. They also set fire to part of the building.

Mainstream ISKCON devotees however, have been indoctrinated into believing that advocates of the representative system are worse than the devil himself. Why? Because the revelation of this fraud, as well as other adjacent matters, would bring the house of cards of those who hijacked the institution, tumbling down.

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PADA's TAXI update:

HKC JAIPUR ARE MAYAPUR AGENTS 

PADA: Thanks prabhu. The Jayapataka followers just now said to you PADA is a bogus taxi driver. Yep, this all started when the HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanugas EU group started complaining that PADA is doing the same job as Jayananda, driving a taxi in San Francisco. And therefore he (and Jayananda) are engaged in sinful low class activity of moving around pizzas, prostitutes and drunks. Wow prabhus, Jayananda is one of the worst deviants in ISKCON, driving a taxi no less! Who knew! 

So yeah, they are demonizing a saint like Jayananda never mind PADA. What this means? Simple, they want to allow children to be raped, beaten and abused -- and not have us bogus taxi drivers protesting their actual child abuse agenda. Good question prabhu! Does that mean the HKC Jaipur and Mayapur guys are working together. Well yep it looks that way. They are certainly colluding together and parroting one another for sure.

The Mayapur and HKC folks also BOTH say -- me and Sulochana are (drunks and) sahajiyas, citing Hari Sauri. Yep -- same thing the Jayapataka Mayapur people say. Bhavananda's bucket boy is the writer / authority for both teams. People who support oral sex with taxi driver's Vishnupada acharyas are always in full agreement! 

And Sulochana said these people (like Hari Sauri / Mayapur / HKC Jaipur) are demonizing us as sahajiyas -- to make us targets for assassination. Sulochana says, they want to get us assassinated -- and they did get one of us assassinated. And the HKC people are proud they support the group that wanted us  assassinated, and did get Sulochana taken out? 

We also said -- Srila Prabhupada complains of poison, and they are trying to discredit us on that issue as well. We are known by our association. For the record, all the politicians, tech bros, drug dealers, drunks and prostitutes I was driving around San Francisco would ALL agree with me, child abuse needs to be contained. That means the average -- Joe six pack -- is more elevated than almost this entire ISKCON lot.

Meanwhile, the Jayapata / Mayapur people wrote to me to complain that our helping various lawsuits (including Bangalore's) has cost them over $100,000,000 -- more than the entire TOVP building. Right. So where does Srila Prabhupada order them to spend $100,000,000 -- fighting with a bogus prostitute and pizza driving taxi walla? Does this make any sense? We have to spend $100,000,000 of ISKCON money -- fighting -- with a bogus taxi walla driver? Where was this ordered in shastra? 

And the HKC Jaipur hero Krishna Kanta said the lawsuit "would make us lose our buildings." OK they admit they own the buildings where their pedophile messiahs are worshiped as acharyas. Kamsahanta said the same thing, we will lose our (pedophile worship) program buildings. Boo hoo! We will lose our wonderful and glorious pedophile worship program, oh gimme a kleenex so I can cry here! 

But none of them ever answers the first questions, why are us bogus drunken sahajiyas / alleged vodka drinking / prostitute driving / taxi driving fools -- the main -- if not only folks protesting child abuse, and they are not? 

So yeah, the Mayapur people and the HKC Jaipur are both criticizing Jayananada as a low class deviant; they are both opposing us for exposing their child abuse agenda; they both cite Hari Sauri as their authority; they both cite Radhanath supporters; they both cite or support the Auschwitz for kids cheer leaders etc. And so yeah, it looks like they are one and the same on the main issues.   

Even the Berkeley police said -- discrediting us enables, empowers and allows mass child abuse, and assorted banning, beating, molesting, suing and -- killing. The real reason they don't approve of PADA? We are exposing them, and their evil child abuse agenda, and such people hate to be exposed. 

Yeah, they talk alike, act alike, think alike, speak alike, and something is really wrong with their opposing mass child abuse. And yep, that is explains why there has been so much rampant abuse, these types of people encouraged and enabled the Auschwitz regime. Anyway yeah, they are both on the same page, which is why Sulochana says -- birds of a feather flop together. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA FOLKS PROTEST PADA

PADA: Sorry George Joannides: Yep, that is what the Gaura Govinda people said when I said there is a MASS child mistreatment program. "This PD guy is an aparadhi," OK because he does not support our worship of GGM's child predators acharyas. That is why we had to sue Gaura Govinda's guru program for $3M and later for $400M. 

GGM was always hanging out with Dhanurdar, Bhavananda, Bhakti Vidhya Purna, Radhanath, Jayapataka, Dayaram, and the whole Auschwitz for kids ki jaya folks ... so we all know whom GGM prefers to exclusively associate with, and whom and what he supports. The good news is: the Dallas courts ruled in favor of us, twice. Yup. Anyone who defends children is an aparadhi in the GGM scheme, we know all about it, so does the police, so does the children, so does the courts, so does the media. 

Gaura Govinda Maharaja has no authority to promote his homosexual and pedophile guru regime, period. And he was STILL in their company in Mayapur when he left his body, because he wanted to be with -- them -- and he avoided us, and we all know the reason. ys pd

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DEAN BALARAM

ISKCON Is Already Doing "Ritvik Initiations"

This was inspired by a great question from Guillermo Alberto Lopez Quintero:

"I have started with Paramadviti Maharaj. Am I a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, or do I need a new initiation?"

Reply:

I was travelling in a caravan from London to India in 1994 and started associating with Srila Prabhupada through his book The Science of Self-Realization. I had never heard or seen anything about Indian culture up to that point, and I come from a Muslim background.

Still, Srila Prabhupada preached to me. Prabhupada convinced me to try bhakti-yoga. Prabhupada convinced me to chant the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. Prabhupada convinced me to follow the four regulative principles. Prabhupada convinced me to come and join the temple. Prabhupada convinced me to give my life to Krishna, surrender to Krishna, and serve this transcendental mission.
So Srila Prabhupada was already my diksha-guru in my heart when I came to ISKCON in Vrindavan in 1995. 

Sadly, I was told that I needed "a living diksha-guru," when actually I already had one—a very rare and special one—Srila Prabhupada, an intimate eternal friend of Vrindavan Krishna.

So I received formal initiation on Gaura Purnima in Mayapur-dhama in 1997. My department head sent my recommendation letter to Harikesa Swami. Harikesa Swami chanted on my beads and chose a spiritual name for me.

A Mayapur temple brahmana conducted the fire yajna. Everything was done according to the July 9th Directive concerning how to perform initiations after Srila Prabhupada's physical departure.

The Illusion and the Solution

1. The newly initiated disciple is influenced to mistakenly think that the "ritvik" is his diksha-guru.

Solution: To understand and realize that throughout his spiritual life, Srila Prabhupada has actually been his diksha and siksha-guru.

"Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination."
(Madhya-lila 4.112, Purport)

2. The appointed "ritvik" mistakenly thinks that acting as a "ritvik" automatically makes him a diksha-guru.

Solution: To understand and realize that he is only acting as Srila Prabhupada's representative, acting on Prabhupada's behalf to choose a spiritual name and chant on beads and Gayatri threads.

"Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative."
(July 9th Signed Directive)

So your "ritvik" initiation was already done by Prabhupada. You simply have to correct your consciousness, and the "ritvik"—in your case, Paramadviti Maharaj—also has to correct his consciousness.
Prabhupada:

"YES, I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually."

https://vanisource.org/.../680312_-_Interview_-_San...

But if you feel your consciousness will be much better by going through a new formal initiation ceremony and receiving a new spiritual name, because it will help you completely disconnect from the person you thought was your diksha-guru for all these years and now focus much more on Srila Prabhupada, then please do go ahead and do that. There is nothing to lose and so much to gain.

Thank you for your wonderful question.

Jayaaaa Prabhupada!

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JND

Now let us us look at the specific complaint being raised by Puri Jagannatha temple regarding ISKCON holding Ratha Yatras around the world on dates that differ from the one in Puri.

They have made a claim that Ratha Yatra must be conducted only on Ashadha Shukla Dvitiya, and they state this is the only day specifically given in the Skanda Purana for conducting this festival. Is what they say true? Let us see what Lord Jagannatha actually says in Skanda Purana about the timings:

guṇḍicākhyāṃ mahāyātrāṃ prakurvīyāḥ kṣitīśvara
yasyāḥ saṃkīrtanād eva naraḥ pāpād vimucyate
māghamāsasya pañcamyām aṣṭamyāṃ caitraśuklake
ete kālāḥ praśastā hi guṇḍicākhyamahotsave
viśeṣān mokṣadāṣāḍha-dvitīyā puṣya-saṃyutā
ṛkṣābhāve tithau kāryā sadā sā prītaye mama

"O King, you should perform the great procession known as the Guṇḍicā-yātrā. Simply by chanting its glories, a person is freed from sin. The fifth day of the month of Māgha and the eighth day of the bright fortnight of Caitra are considered especially auspicious times for the festival known as the Guṇḍicā Mahotsava. 

Above all, the Āṣāḍha Śukla Dvitīyā, when joined with the Puṣya constellation, bestows liberation. If Puṣya is absent, it should still always be observed on the Dvitīyā tithi, for My pleasure." - Skanda Purana 2.29.30-32

Very clearly Lord Jagannatha gives a list of different timings which one may choose, of which the best is Ashadha Shukla Dvitiya. It is the best, but it is not the ONLY option. This is Lord Jagannatha's own instruction in the Skanda Purana to Maharaja Indradyumna.

The claim made by the Puri temple is false, and this has already been refuted by ISKCON, who has presented them with 90 pages of scriptural reference showing that the Ratha festival can be conducted on other dates as per the instructions of the scriptures.

Is this really a fight over scripture or "trademarks"?

We find from the following news article in the Indian Express (10 July, 2026) that the king of Puri has said other Ratha processions of Jagannatha can be done on other dates, but he just doesn't want them to use the name "Ratha Yatra". Is that what Skanda Purana told him?

"Gajapati Maharaj further mentioned that Puri temple committee has no objection to ISKCON performing additional 'Rath Processions' for the purpose of propagating Krishna Consciousness at different times of the year. "However, such events cannot be called or described as 'Shree Jagannath Rath Yatra'." - New Indian Express (10 July, 2026)

Is this a disagreement over scripture or over business trademarks? If they agree that the exact same chariot procession can be done on different dates as long as it uses a different branding name, then this is not a disagreement about scriptures.

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ADAM DE RITO

America doesn’t drift toward communism because young people suddenly stop believing in freedom. It drifts there when young people stop believing they have a future in capitalism.

For too long, we’ve expected the next generation to inherit the consequences of today’s decisions while denying them a meaningful seat at the table. Skyrocketing housing costs. Record national debt. Rising costs of living. Then we wonder why more young Americans are looking for radical alternatives.

If you believe in free markets, private property, and the American Dream, then the answer isn’t to cling to power forever. The answer is to renew our republic by passing the torch. This isn’t about disrespecting the generations who built America. It’s about ensuring the generations who inherit America still believe it’s worth preserving.

If we want to save American capitalism, we have to give young Americans a reason to believe in it. Read my latest op-ed and let me know where you stand.

PADA: Yep, the torch was not passed to the ISKCON gurukulis. Same issue, they see no future in that movement, so they left en masse. One gurukuli here blew out his brains under a bridge and left a note "I have no place in my own religion." Yep, no future. ys pd

Rupanuga on Book Changes and ISKCON's Children's Suicides 7 15 26

 

Rūpānuga Dāsa (ACBSP) YouTube Interview 2026

FOURTH PART

Host: Let us, if we can, move on to some other controversial subjects.

Host: There are some very important subjects that you have written on and commented on, and a lot of devotees have appreciated your wisdom on these matters. For instance, the editing of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

PADA: Yep. After Rupanuga empowered the GBC guys to be gurus, they started writing all sorts of bogus books of their own, and started to do hatchet jobs on Srila Prabhupada's books. Rupanuga had no authority to empower this group as acharyas in the first place -- which resulted in all this editing. 

Host: Perhaps you could give us your analysis of that situation. You are a senior Prabhupāda man. You were around during the formative times of his mission and his translations.

So right now we have this back-and-forth debate, and the people who are for the changes, for not leaving it as it is, seem to be pretty dug in. It seems like the only way it is going to be resolved is in the courts in India. So what is your— And, you know, we have had Garuḍa on our show. We had a very long episode, which is actually our most viewed episode thus far. On this, we dissected it.

But I am curious to get your opinion of the book edits — you could say, the controversy.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Very unfortunate. I do not think that Śrīla Prabhupāda would have approved. For him, editing was grammatical: periods and commas, maybe some wording, but not changing the format or the philosophy. Not to change the philosophy, but simply grammatical. That was my understanding of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s editing work.

Punctuation and spelling, like that. Not ideology. And that is what has happened. The changes that were made — and I have been examining some of them — do not leave the philosophy alone. They make changes in the philosophy.

It does not spoil the whole book, in my opinion. The whole book is not spoiled, but basic concepts are made very unclear, whereas Bhagavad-gītā is very clear.

Host: Can you give us an example?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Two editions of the Bhagavad-gītā compared — one that was original, 1972, and the later revised edition, or edited edition. I made a comparison here, and it is not something that I have been able to memorize, but I will give you an example. So, two editions of the Bhagavad-gītā were compared. This method of “count and analyze” was applied to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 first edition and the revised 1983 edition. Only the verse translations were examined.
Out of 700 verses, 74%, or 521 verses, had words changed by deletions, insertions, or rearrangement.

In three chapters, over 90% of the verses were changed in this way. Chapter 6 had 43 verses changed out of 47 total. Chapter 11 had 50 out of 55, and Chapter 17 had 26 out of 28.

These numbers do not include verses that were changed only for spelling, punctuation, or capitalization. Only 21 verses, or 3% of the total, are in that category of grammatical changes.

For example, analysis of the deleted, inserted, or rearranged words in the revised edition revealed philosophical interpolations — that is, the insertion of different ideas.

For example, regarding sense control, “control the lower self by the higher self,” from the 1972 edition, was interpolated to “steady the mind by deliberate spiritual intelligence.”

Host: That is completely different.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Completely different. Completely.

In the 1983 Bhagavad-gītā, 3.43, “he who controls the senses” was interpolated in the next edition to “a sincere person who tries to control the active senses.” It is a completely softening of the whole concept.

Host: What was Prabhupāda’s letter to— I think it was Hamsadūta? “Our editing is for grammar and punctuation only, not for interpolation of philosophy or style.”

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I did not bring it?

Mādhavī: No.

Host: But I have it pretty much memorized: “Our editing is for grammar and punctuation only, not for interpolation of philosophy or style.”

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Right.

Host: That is pretty clear.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: But all these comparisons I gave you now were philosophical.

Host: Thank God you brought your secretary with you.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: She studies my work.

Host: So in conclusion—

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Behind every great man is a great woman. “The count and analyze method produced evidence that conclusively proves that the revised editions of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Teachings of Lord Caitanya are not editorially equivalent to the first editions in philosophy, style, or content.

These revised editions contain an undetermined number of interpolations of philosophy and style. Some examples have been demonstrated herein. These revised editions mix Śrīla Prabhupāda’s teachings with different ideas, without separating or identifying one from the other.

Thus, for the general reading, it is difficult to identify the interpolations of philosophy and style within the revised editions. For this reason alone, the revised editions of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Teachings of Lord Caitanya are unreliable for the study of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s teachings.”

Host: Wow, that is pretty heavy.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: That is my last sentence.

Host: That is very unreliable. That is heavy because what was Prabhupāda’s main mission? You say he came here for what purpose?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: To translate these books.

Host: Yes. Present them to the Western world.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes. And his books, he said on numerous occasions — at least three — would be the law books for the next ten thousand years.

Host: Yes.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: A lot of devotees worked very hard to supply the money to publish these books. And they distributed them because they believed in the contents. And they were not informed about these changes. And they kept distributing books without knowledge. I tell you, they would not have done that had they read this paper.

Host: And it is interesting to note, in the 1983 edition, that the statement — I think it was on the back cover, or maybe on the inside — “Śrīla Prabhupāda, the greatest exponent of Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Western world” — that was taken out of the 1983 edition.

Very, very telling.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

Host: Very telling.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I think there is too much enviousness — too much enviousness of Śrīla Prabhupāda. He was so perfect, and some people cannot tolerate perfection.

PADA: Most of the extensive editing was going on after Srila Prabhupada departed, although a few edits were made in 1976 -- which he was upset to find out. He said no more changes. Rupanuga's guru regime was responsible for making all these extensive edits, and empowering Jayadvaita to do a hatchet job on the books. 

After all this hatcheting has been going on for decades, Rupanuga finally says it is a problem. It was a problem right out of the gate, and he failed to bring attention to it early on -- until way after the fact -- after we had been mentioning in our newsletters etc. and we helped the BBTI lawsuit in 1997. As a leader, he should have raised the alarm way earlier -- before it got to this extent. Saying, there is an iceberg here, after we hit the iceberg already, is not entirely helpful. 

Host: Let us speak about that more, and how you saw that in your experience. Are you speaking of some of his disciples?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Uh-huh. Yes. Because initiation is an encouragement. It is not proof of one’s understanding. It is an impetus. It is a beginning. It is an empowerment to understand. But it has to be used regularly, or it gets weak. It has to be used over and over, just like muscles for an athlete. He has to keep himself up.

He cannot slip off. So I think that is what has happened, in my humble opinion. It is not so much simply living the work, but being constantly reminded of the truth, being reminded of the ideal. Automatically, if one reads the ideal over and over again, one begins to live it. You get influenced. It is an educational process. Śrīla Prabhupāda was, first of all, above everything, an educator. And he trained up educators to go out and educate other people in the contribution India made to the world.

PADA: The ideal is to worship Krishna via media His pure devotee. Rupanuga completely lost track of the ideal, and he thought we need to promote his lusty and intoxicated dog gurus as Krishna's successors, and that is a severe deviation from which ISKCON never recovered.

Host: You mentioned that you noticed, or you see, the tendency toward envy, which is pretty much concomitant in the jīva soul. That is why we left the association of the Supreme Lord, or rejected His association, due to that tendency to want to become little gods. So how did you see that manifest? Or how did you see that manifest in relation, say, to the book changes, and perhaps in other ways?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Well, I mean, if you can get away with changing the Absolute Truth, you are a pretty well-accomplished atheist. And I think some persons who are not fully purified enough, not fully developed enough in their own realizations, make errors because of that.

And some are envious, because where do we hear the truth anyway? I mean, who speaks the truth? And when someone hears it and they do not want to hear it, it might require them to change their ways. And they react, “Oh, this is too much.”

PADA: OK so the gurus Rupanuga empowered as gurus are maybe atheists and envious. How did they become gurus then? This means Rupanuga and his guru club never studied the qualities of an acharya, so they rubber stamped all sorts of disqualified if not atheistic folks as acharyas, including the book changer club. Vipramukha was one of the gurus Rupanugas guru reformers voted in as acharya, and he openly admits he is an atheist. That means they took no precautions when voting in these messiahs. 

Rupanuga Dasa: Just like the two who committed suicide back in— I thought it was too much for them. Yes, I knew them. They were very intelligent. Both of them were intelligent. But they had to make a choice, and their intelligence could not do it.

I talked to the parents of one of them. They knew I was sort of in charge of him, and they were not angry with me. They did not blame me. They understood it was his choice.

Host: I am just thinking it must have been a very difficult situation to be in, you know, when you had these two students and they somehow decided, of their own volition, to end their lives. A lot of times, in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is mentioned that we should not resent the principles. We should not resent them. And so instead of taking a humble position — “I am not up to snuff,” or “I am falling” — we try to change the philosophy so we do not look like we are falling short, or something. And I think a lot of times that false pride is what makes us want to change the philosophy, so we are not wrong, but we want to continue trying to lord it over, trying to do our own thing. So those are the things that I was thinking about while—

PADA: A number of ISKCON kids took their own lives. It might look like "it was their choice" but there are many combined contributing elements found in a society that produces a number of children feeling hopeless and suicidal. There are powerful external forces that change the children's internal feelings, emotions, religious framework, moral compass, life direction, feelings of isolation and depression and etc. 

In fact PADA was calling this a suicide epidemic in 1997. To have such a large number of distraught -- if not suicidal kids -- all at once -- points to a much larger issue -- i.e. a society that is applying extreme pressure to these kids. And those kids are evidently feeling suicide is the only way out. What kind of society creates this nihilistic / death cult mentality in its children? 

For starters a number of these kids reported being starved, beaten and sexually molested. That means the GBC / Rupanuga management body has not been looking out for the welfare of these kids. Or worse, has been actively helping and enabling the predators program and not the kids program. 

The GBC has had an endless amount emergency meetings. The so-called "fire brigade," like Rupanuga, Mukunda swami, Ravindra swarupa, Satsvarupa and others -- who would come to a zone to fix and repair a falling down guru and repress his scandals, but there seems to be no record of a flood of emergency meetings, or any meaningful meetings, to discuss the major problems being experienced by the ISKCON children. "We were being neglected, and neglect leads to negligence." 

I read numerous GBC reports being made in the 1980s, and the reports of the bad situation with the kids was conspicuous by its absence. Thus, many of these kids told me: "no one cared about us" "we were on our own" "we were in Auschwitz for kids" "the gurukulas were like North Korea, the elites have had big feasts -- and we ate rotten oatmeal" "the leaders are now saying it is our karma" "the leaders kept Dhanurdar and Bhaktividya Purna -- even after it was known they are evil severe child abusers" and so on and so forth. Actually one LA kid killed himself after seeing Los Angeles temple giving a hero's welcome to Dhanurdar. 

These kids did not feel protected, and maybe, not even wanted. "We are a burden, our parents can not do their service when they have to care for us." OK the Rupanuga management body was writing tons and tons and tons of material on how to keep their molester messiah's guru's system afloat, but what was happening to the children -- did not warrant hardly honorable mention. Still doesn't mind you, he is still not going over the issue threadbare.

The children simply were not the priority, while keeping the worship of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru process maintained was clearly the main objective and issue, and still is for that matter. So the children felt neglected, if not exploited, if not used as cannon fodder on the GBC / Rupanuga pedophile guru experiment.

Now as for me personally, if I was born in an evil kingdom where I was ordered by the government "you will have to promote and worship the GBC's / Rupanuga's homosexual / pedophile / illicit sex with men women children / and maybe cats / "God's heavenly messiah's project," or die in the pedophile king's firing squad, I would immediately choose dying. 

It would not even be a second thought or hesitation, or worthy of lengthy contemplation, death is vastly superior to being forced to worship deviants as God's successors. God will never be happy with me promoting such an odious deviation, for certain. Thus! Death is more honorable in that case, whereas living in that situation is -- maybe worse than death. 

So I clearly understand why a number of the ISKCON kids choose death, they want out of this situation -- and no one should blame or condemn them. They did what they thought was best: being born into a society that worships the evil regime's and Rupanuga's homosexuals and pedophiles deviants as God's messiahs is purely evil, and is called "killers of the soul" in shastra.  

The victims thus feel they are trapped in an evil society, and they are. Rupanuga never answered the point, someone or some group killed the spirit and thus the souls of these children. Sri Isopanisad says "killers of the soul," but who was it? Santa Claus, the Tooth fairy, or Rupanuga's regime? Killers of the soul dwell always in darkness, no small wonder then -- they want to drag others to darkness with them, misery loves company.

And thus maybe death is the most honorable way to cleanse the victims of the evil karma of being associated with that process. At least that might become what some victims feel is their best way out. I also know a number of devotee adults who died of alcohol, drugs, just plain drowning themselves, and a LARGE number of them got cancer due to depression and so on, so they could leave this situation. Many more kids and adults leave prematurely every day. Even the great kirtaneer Madhuvisa swami was drinking himself to death when I was his neighbor. Vodka. He actually started to go blind. 

But I said this is a problem right away in 1979. We cannot force our children to worship an intoxicated predator like Jayatirtha. It will harm their spiritual direction and contaminate them. And it did. Worshiping a pedophile or de facto pedophile is evil and will have an evil effect on the society. Did I forget to mention that after Jayatirtha kicked me out, the chloroform child molester gang was taking over Croome Court?  

So Rupanuga is not at fault, the GBC is not at fault, does that mean the children are at fault? I forgot, then the GBC ilk began to say the children just got bad karma, which alienates and depresses them all the more. It is called kicking a man when he is already down. Blame the victim!

In short, when Rupanuga ilk says the parents did not blame him for their kids committing suicide, then who ends up being blamed? It is -- ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada, or Krishna. Which is why a number of these ex-kids hate Hare Krishna. They blame the Krishna society, and -- I have no good counter argument to give them. 

Someone is to blame for all these suffering and dead kids, but it is never the people who made their environment? So then the Krishna religion is blamed, and not too surprising, none of the leaders and parents who made this mess is ever charged with the crime of orchestrating their homosexual and pedophile worship process for these children. 

Which infuriates and alienates and depresses the victims even more. We were victimized, and the people in the regime that victimized us got away scot free. And their gurus live like millionaires. While a number of these kids ended up homeless, sleeping in cars, and struggling to survive. Some of them could barely read and write, they did not even get an education. 

Who is to blame for that, these kids? So when Rupanuga says, he was not blamed, that is great news, someone else is to blame. Who is it? 

1999 GBC Resolution No. 403(A) Apology to Society from the GBC Body

“The GBC Body offers the following apology to the members and friends of ISKCON:

As humble followers of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, it is the GBC Body’s duty to execute his will to the best of our ability as we collectively understand it. During Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence, he simultaneously empowered the GBC Body and guided us when we erred. We continue to pray for his guidance and feel it is his will that we now correct the misunderstandings of the past.

Thus, the GBC Body, both individually and collectively, wishes to express its deepest apologies to, and beg the forgiveness of, the followers of Srila Prabhupada who were offended or hurt by our past decisions resulting in the excesses and abuses of the zonal acarya system and its ongoing ramifications.”

GP: It is good the gbc admitted mistakes were made by them. Now today regarding vishnava eticate, some personal action representing these words are normally required, such as all those who made these mistakes and offences, personaly visit those who the gbc now understand they offended, and apologise in person face to face, man to man or woman. This gbc resolution was passed in 1999 we are still wating, Can we take the gbc seriously if no action folllows there words after so many years!

PADA: That is because the court ordered them to apologize when they were being sued for $400,000,000.

GP: Yes not backed up by action, dead givaway, lets hope some positive changes come soon before we end up with a new age king james style bhagavad gita.

PADA: Yes, they apologized, and thanks to the court, offered to make a $1,000,000 fund to help the children. But then the $1,000,000 was siphoned over to spending on suing Bangalore and the kids money vanished. Then they were asking for donations to buy shoes for the Mayapur kids. ys pd 

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ISKM Proddatur India / Ukraine / Jayatirtha's Departure / Bhakti Recipe 07 14 26

 

ISKM is making a few more centers, Proddatur is NW of Madras. It looks like India is the main area where actual ritvik centers are being made. This is a good development in the opinion of PADA, because at least some progress is being made somewhere. It is a shame we do not have a better ritvik process in the West. People ask me all the time, where are your USA centers? Well we don't have much to show in the West.  

PADA: I am not sure what the Radha Krishna Spiritual Centre is. Or how the view or apply the ritvik system. ys pd

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UKRAINE AND KARMA

The leader of Ukraine's drone army said their cutting off petrol, water, electricity and food supplies for Russian Crimea is "their karma coming back." He said he is leaving their bridge open so they can escape. But it is ironic that Russians want to chop off all sorts of other people's petrol, water, electricity, food supplies etc. and now it is happening to them, and the people involved know about "karma." And indeed, it is karma. 

There are also videos on Tik Tok of people in Russia fighting among themselves in the petrol station lines -- with fist fights, slashing each other's tires, breaking car windows, throwing rocks, draining other people's gas tanks, and all that. Wow, what happens when the food trucks cannot get to the stores because of lack of fuel? This could get very nasty pilgrims! But hey, this is called karma, they are correct. 

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JAYATIRTHA's MURDER WAS PLANNED

Bhaktavasya Devi Dasi and her book A Different Kind of Life is a memoir that includes her relationship with Jayatirtha Dasa, the former ISKCON guru.

Mathura Das: Does she describe how -- together with Navanita Chora in Canada -- they both plotted their combined, macabre revenge on Jayatirtha, due to his betrayal? 

I know about it, because my friend Kamala, a disciple of Jayatirtha, was in Canada when they were plotting his murder. After being hailed as the 'Divine Mother' and basking in the ludicrous, cultish epiteths, then being dumped by Jayatirtha ..... she wanted revenge. And she got it.

PADA: Yep. Some of the GBC guru's followers and groupies are as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than their gurus. They cling onto their guru to get a position of power and authority for themselves, and if that is threatened, they can get very defensive, offensive, and outright retributional. 

Someone said that Kamsa and Hitler are similar, they often do not commit evil deeds themselves personally, they try to keep their own hands clean, but their followers do the dirty work for them. OK! The followers can be more dangerous than the leaders. It is sad that Bhaktavasya dasi got entangled with all this mess from square one, obviously she suffered a lot. And she probably still does.

And that is why Srila Prabhupada says, accepting a false guru is like jumping into the water on a hot day to get relief from the sun, only to hit your head on the rocks. Jayatirtha's people would have killed me if they thought they could get away with it, he truly made a mad and dangerous cult. 

She is only one of many victims. Jayatirtha's example is very clear, imitation of pure devotees is not acceptable, and it can make dire repercussions for the leaders and followers. But yeah, she went along with being "the guru mata," and she must have known this was misleading the public, and misleading herself. But to seek justice against the cheaters by the cheated is a normal part of the material world, and Jayatirtha paid the ultimate price for his cheating. 

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IS KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS A RECIPE? — 

BEWARE OF REDUCING BHAKTI TO A FORMULA 

A reel is circulating where Visakha (the fifth wife -- 30 years younger -- than the old bad example Srutakirti Dasa) explains "how to succeed in Krishna consciousness" with a bakery analogy: bhakti would be an exquisite cake, and just follow Srila Prabhupada's recipe literally — without adding or subtracting any ingredient— to never fail. Those who say "changes need to be made" — affirms — they did not follow the recipe, and therefore they don't have to be followed. 

Of course we also have "shut up," "you are all offensive," "just chant Hare Krishna," "we already follow Prabhupada's formula," crtiticism is blocked out and finished.

The heart of the message is actually correct and healthy: do not adulterate the siddhanta that the parampara bequeathed to us. But the analogy has two serious cracks.

First: Bhakti is NOT a mechanical formula. If spiritual success were a matter of measuring ingredients accurately, it would be karma-kanda, not bhakti. Pure bhakti is "ahaituki" — without cause — and descends by MERCY, not by technical merit: "Only who receives even a trace of the grace of Your lotus feet can know You; the others, though speculate for a long time, do not succeed" (SB 10.14.29). 

Following the process is necessary, but it is the grace of Krishna and Vaishnava that completes the plate. That's why there are so many people who supposedly obey all the rules but don't advance: almost always for lack of humility, or for offences, not for bad official following.

Secondly: stopping and condemning other devotees as "offenders" and just "blocking them" justifies the mistakes that ruins the whole kitchen. The offense to a Vaishnava is the "mad elephant" that uproots the entanglement of service: "yadi vai ,ava-aparādha u ṣhe hātī mātā, upā "e vā chi īe, tāra raukhi' yāya pātā" (CC Madhya 19.156). 

And the spirit that truly succeeds is the opposite: “more humble than grass, more tolerant than a tree, offering respect without wishing for one” (Shikshashtaka 3).
And a key nuance: not all "change" is adultery. Prabhupada preached in English, used technology, printed books—that is yukta-vairagya, use everything in relation to Krishna (BRS 1.2.255). The form can be changed; never the siddhanta.

Unfortunately, Sruta Kirti is always associated with people who have changed up the original formula, from worship of pure devotees -- to worshiping of demented debauchees -- as Krishna's acharyas etc. So the people under his authority do not even know what the original formula is. That means they do not even know how to bake a cake, but they claim to be master cake baking chefs.  

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WHERE IS THE PERSONAL GUIDANCE?

PADA: Gopal Krishna swami was the Berkeley guru for many years. He would fly in for a two day visit once a year to initiate two or three people. The temple had to pay thousands for his travel fees. He suffered jet lag and would sometimes fall asleep during his own lectures. And we needed to pay for all this -- so he could give "living guidance." But he was almost never here to guide anyone. Same thing with Swarupa Damodar. He stayed in India and most of his followers were later on smoking pot here, and he was not here to advise them, and they were trained not to take advice from us. 

Most of the former Gopal Krishna and Swarupa Damodar have subsequently blooped and no one even knows where they are. I see little evidence these gurus are giving living guidance, and all they are doing is blocking us from giving guidance. No wonder the Berkeley temple is a ghost town, nearly no one has faith in this system. And furthermore, what is the use of taking initiation from a person 2/3 show of hands voted into a guru sytem where almost all the them -- blooped? ys pd

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SUMMARY — THE CONVERSATION ON THE QUALIFICATION OF THE GURU 

Distilled recording of an investigative dialogue with an AI responding in the voice of an initiating guru of ISKCON Jayapataka Swami, and others. Each question is given complete; each answer boils down to the real argument it raises, without the rhetorical wrapper. The repeating pattern: Each answer conveys the point of fact and then relocates the defense to "enough with relaying the message faithfully."

We are aware that an AI is not the person, but it is its classes and teachings and it is very close to reality.

THE FIVE CONCESSIONS THAT MATTER

Throughout the exchange AI granted, on the record, the five assertions that hold the high seat — and dropped all five:

Not the acharya of ISKCON. 

Only Srila Prabhupada is the Founding Acharya; the person is a link in the chain, a servant who "keeps the parampara going."

The claims of the disciples that they are the "acharya successor" are false, and allowing them to be held without protest is "consenting to something false" which should have been firmly corrected. There was no direct personal order for anyone to initiate thousands. Just the general instruction "become guru by my order," not merely GBC authorization. The recorded history of any divine mandate to be gurus is not granted as unverifiable and is still not proven.

They do not possess the qualities required by the Upadeshamrita 1 to accept even a disciple ("No. I do not have full mastery of these qualities"), and their falling down and chronic illness reflects karma that did not happen cleanly — the sign of a turbulent, non transparent channel. They are failing badly at "taking karma," when they cannot clean up their own.

False worship is a "complication in a deception" they didn't correct. They should have freed the disciples to seek a clear channel; that they would do so is wisdom, not betrayal. After making some concessions, the guru seat is still held with a single assertion: the assertion that stepping down would be "cowardice" — abandoning an order that came through as authorized.

THE EXCHANGE 

1. You haven't chanted 16 rounds for long periods — how can you present yourself as Acharya?

*** Bad Health caused lapses for the GBC gurus. While a representative (ritvik) acharya doesn't need to be perfect, just faithfully convey Prabhupada's message. Krishna protects the one who is absorbed in the mission. And he will not suffer all these reactions.

P2. So service matters more than chanting 16 rounds?

*** Both are necessary, not one or the other "Chant 16 and go out and preach." Chanting and service go together. 

P3. It wasn't always just sickness — can someone be too busy in the service to skip chanting rounds?

*** Admit it wasn't just the material disease. Service does not justify skipping rounds; the standard is non-negotiable. Take the blame.

P4. How do you demand 16 "no-fault" rounds from your disciples while excusing your own lapses?

*** The standard is based on Prabhupada's authority, not on his own achievement.

P5. Srila Prabhupada said that one cannot ask another what one cannot do.

*** Acharyapada comes from discipleship, not self-proclamation; qualification is faithful transmission, not perfection.

P6. That fits the siksha-guru, but a diksha-guru takes one to Krishna. Are you in the avadhuta paramahamsa stage?

*** GBC also denies they have avadhuta status. And argues that the guru does not need to be fully transparent; the parampara connects the disciple regardless of the level of the guru. That makes no sense, the quality of the guru is not important?

P7. As an imperfect channel, how do you accept the worship of uttama? Wouldn't it be better to be a siksha-guru or madhyama?.

*** Worship flows up the parampara to Krishna, not to a conditioned man. A madhyama / kanishtha guru can liberate by faithfully conveying the message of uttama.

P8. Are their health issues due to not being able to pass karma to Krishna?

*** Yes. Quote from Prabhupada: "This is because I accepted too many unqualified disciples." When disciples do not follow, karma takes shelter in the guru and manifests itself as a disease.

P9. Are you comparing yourself to Srila Prabhupada?

*** No; Prabhupada is the Founder Acharya, on a totally different level. Just quote his teaching on karma going up the parampara. Do not try to be the parampara.

P10. Where and with what words did Prabhupada ask GBC to initiate thousands of their own disciples?

*** There was no personal order to "initiate thousands" — only the general instruction "become a guru," but not to any specific persons. 

P11. How did you go from ritvik appointed in that letter to one of the 11 successors?

*** The role of ritvik was transitional; after the departure in 1977, the eleven were interpreted by the GBC as continuing gurus, producing the system of zonal acharyas, reformed a number of times afterwards.

P12. When did Prabhupada tell you that your gurus like Jayapataka will get fat or fall like over-indulging sannyasis?

*** You cannot verify where falling gurus it as a direct instruction; you will  attribute to unconfirmed statements.

P13. It's common knowledge that we were supposed to be gurus. 

*** Common knowledge is not fact verified. General order yes; specific personal mandate to initiate thousands, no.

P14. I honestly ask for the truth; I don't want to be a sheep disciple.

*** It was a general instruction for the GBC to expand, not a personal order to be gurus and accumulate disciples.

P15. Your gurus lived meters away from the gurukula during years of abuse — some of you knew it and only confiscated the bamboo sticks. Why not deportation? Why not jail? Why was this allowed for decades, and is maybe going on still?

*** Character Breaks: Now we have AI Jayapataka "I am not Jayapataka Swami; I am his AI assistant." He will defend their actions; but the protection of children is sacred; the matter requires a real investigation.

P16. Is it true that people like Jayapataka lived near the gurukula?

*** Confirmed by Mayapur, The Lotus Building. The real question is what he knew and what he did; lacks a clear memory; will manufacture an answer.

P17. Did your gurus confiscate the bamboo sticks?

*** No Memory Verified. Simply removing an instrument while the abuse continued would be insufficient.

P18. What relationship does the GBC maintain with Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami today?

*** Formal respect is maintained, but past bad conduct requires accountability, not concealed.

P19. If the the guru shakti comes from the parampara, not from the realization of the fallen GBC guru, what does their diksha convey?

*** Actual diksha establishes sambandha — a formal and responsible relationship with Krishna, not through fallen people.

P20. Various GBC said that the diksha-guru assumes the burden of the karma of the disciple, but also that the karma of a non-transparent guru does not reach Krishna, it stays here. 

*** A blocked channel means that the disciple is not freed by that guru.

P21. My problem is that you folks receive worship for and uttama / successor without the rest of the GBC protesting. Better would be an honest siksha-guru who recognizes his limits.