ISKCON Suspends Guru Initiations 10 27 26

Yes as a matter of fact,

falling down people are 

NOT our guru successors!  

GBC GURU MELTDOWN

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims! Big trouble in River City. It does seem like the ISKCON GBC is having a sort of melt down crisis. There was supposed to be a discussion over Female Diksha Gurus (FDG) and that seems to have reached the same loggerheads it has already been at for over a decade. No agreement could be made on the topic. Nor will any ever be made it seems? 

Now they have suspended ALL of their gurus from initiating, which means? None of them were ever qualified! The conservatives are headed by HH Bhakti Vikas swami, big promoter of Jayapataka, and the liberals are the Kalakantha / Pranada / Hrdayananda / Bir Krishna type people. Oddly Jayapataka says he favors female diksha gurus. OK they are fighting with their own shadow. 

So it looks like they just switched gears and said a study should be made, what is an ISKCON guru? Oh goody, after all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders, we might ask what program are we promoting and defending here? I think this is a sign, the dysfunction of the GBC has reached a point where it just cannot continue with business as usual, which is pretty much out of control already. 

Now they want people to sign a legal oath of alliegience, I think that is a sign more folks want to bail out and become independent. There has already been a lot of preliminary discussion on how the succession should continue. Will the new wave of younger gurus get to have their own Vyasa poojas, photos on the altars, unlimited un-monitored bank accounts etc., or what is their status? So it looks like a sort of reckoning is coming to roost. 

Overall I think this is a sign their program is sort of self-imploding, disintegrating, and that is good for us. Yeah what is an ISKCON guru? Same thing Banu swami was saying, he will not become and ISKCON guru until they define what that is. 

Well we know already, the guru is a person who might be engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, who drinks Vodka, who watches porno and who gets arrested with a machine gun etc. There does not seem to be any standard for guru before he is selected and voted in?

OK Madhu Pandit people! Take their document to court and show how falling apart their whole guru system is. They want Madhu Pandit to accept their gurus, when they do not even know -- if they are gurus? Lets wait until we know if they are even gurus in the first place, according to, themselves! Hee hee! Told ya! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

https://akincana.net/2026/10/23/watch-the-gbc-decide-the-future-of-female-diksa-gurus-eight-unreleased-committee-recordings-published-in-full/?

Statement from the ISKCON Governing Body Commission on Srila Prabhupada and the Role of Gurus in ISKCON

The ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) passed several resolutions during its Mid-Term General Meeting 2026 regarding the need to better educate ISKCON devotees with “a clearer understanding and articulation of, the qualification and service of all gurus, and their relationship with ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON society, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority.” 

To help achieve this, the GBC determined there should be a temporary moratorium on initiations from December 1, 2026 to Gaura Purnima 2027.

The resolutions are below in full:

Clarity on the Role of Gurus and Disciples in Relationship to Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON To Be Provided by the Guru Services Committee

Whereas, within the ISKCON society there is a need for further clarification on the relationship of ISKCON gurus with ISKCON, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

Whereas, elder ISKCON gurus are passing away and younger devotees are taking up the responsibility of serving as guru, sometimes for large number of disciples,

Whereas, it is seen that some disciples of ISKCON gurus need to better understand their relationship with ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

Therefore, the GBC directs the Guru Services Committee to research and highlight Srila Prabhupada’s writings and instructions, existing GBC authorized papers and statements, and relevant ISKCON laws to better educate and clarify for ISKCON members:

The role of an ISKCON guru in relationship to ISKCON and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

The proper mood of a disciple towards their initiating guru and other ISKCON authorities,

That gurus in ISKCON have the responsibility in instructing their disciples how to advance in Krishna consciousness, but may not have the expertise to guide disciples in matters of marriage, employment, child rearing, investment of funds, and other areas of life,

The Guru Services Committee shall also determine if educational processes need to be developed or adapted within ISKCON to clarify these issues.

The Guru Services Committee will consult with the various RGBs around the world, the India Bureau, and ICC to better consider how misunderstandings in these areas have manifested in their regions and seek their input to resolve them.

This research is also intended to complement and support the work pursued under the Terms of Reference Working Committee. To be completed by the AGM 2027.
Seeking Clarity on the Comparative Roles and Relationships Between Siksa and Diksa Gurus Within ISKCON

Whereas, there is a need within ISKCON to better understand the comparative roles of, and relationships between, diksa and siksa gurus, and

Whereas, there has been a call for additional clarity of these roles by devotees around the world, therefore, the GBC Body directs the Guru Services Committee (GSC) to do research to develop a comprehensive report and statement on these two services within ISKCON;

In so doing, the GSC shall consult with the ISKCON RGBs around the world, the India Bureau and ICC, the Sastric Advisory Council (SAC), and other scholars put forward by those bodies; 

A report or statement shall be presented to the GBC at its AGM 2027 for ratification.

This research is also intended to complement and support the work pursued under the Terms of Reference Working Committee.
Moratorium on All ISKCON Initiations

Whereas, as we celebrate ISKCON’s 60th Anniversary, it is the GBC’s duty to consider the health and future of our society;

Whereas, many older ISKCON gurus are passing away and many younger gurus are taking up responsibility for large numbers of disciples;

Whereas, there is a need to develop a clearer understanding and articulation of, the qualification and service of all gurus, and their relationship with ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON society, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority;

Whereas, many new disciples in ISKCON misunderstand the service role of their guru in ISKCON in relationship with Srila Prabhupada and the ISKCON managerial line of authority, as outlined in the ISKCON document “Harmonizing Lines of Authority”;

Whereas, according to our Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, both siksa and diksa gurus are of fundamental importance in the spiritual life of a devotee;

Whereas, in practice, a significant difference can be currently observed in the worship, recognition, and treatment accorded to siksa-gurus and diksa-gurus within ISKCON;

Whereas, since the departure of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, the Society has not undertaken a sufficiently comprehensive study and explanation of Guru-tattva, particularly the standards, principles and practices of initiation as related to an unprecedented growing global ISKCON society;

Whereas, it is urgently important to take concrete steps to ensure that Srila Prabhupada’s position in ISKCON as our Founder-Acarya and pre-eminent siska guru for all ISKCON members is not minimized in any way;

Whereas, the GBC has directed the Guru Services Committee to research and further clarify the role of gurus and disciples in relationship to Srila Prabhupada and the ISKCON society, based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, existing ISKCON law, and GBC statements, and to present a summary paper on the same no later than the GBC AGM 2027, and,

Whereas, the GBC has directed the Guru Services Committee to research and clarify the service roles of siksa and diksa gurus, with appropriate consultation, and present either a summary paper, or at least a progress report on the same by the GBC AGM 2027;

Therefore,

All initiations by ISKCON diksa gurus shall be put on hold from December 1, 2026, until Gaura Purnima 2027. (This date could be extended.) No ISKCON guru shall initiate new disciples, or offer second initiation to existing disciples, or offer sannyasa initiation during this time. Additionally, no new initiating gurus shall take up or complete the authorization process during that time.*

In addition, before they may restart initiating disciples, all ISKCON gurus will be required to:

Sign a notarized ISKCON Oath of Allegiance, as presented by Srila Prabhupada and,

Submit the required annual financial reports for the previous year (2026).

*Exceptions may be allowed in the case of a qualified aspiring disciple who may pass away before Gaura Purnima 2027 (in the opinion of medical experts), and with the approval of the ISKCON Guru Services Committee.
Terms of Reference Working Committee

It is resolved that a structured Dialogue be convened to enable a meaningful and productive discussion on the relationship of siksa and diksa, including Vaishnavi Diksha Guru, all within the principle of Guru Tattva.

To this end, a working Committee comprising of the GBC EC, and one or two representatives of the IB, ICC and concerned RGBs will be appointed to determine the Terms of Reference for the successful convening of such a Dialogue by 15th November 2026. The Terms of Reference presented by the committee shall be subject to GBC approval.

The anticipated Dialogue shall commence and conclude between the months of December 2026 and January 2027. A .pdf of the statement can be viewed and downloaded here.
Tag: education , gbc , guru , Guru-tattva , gurus , initiations , leaders , leadership

PADA: Jayadvaita swami has already explained all this. A number of their gurus are having illicit sex with men, women -- and maybe children. OK also maybe their messiah who masturbating with cats -- when we include their topmost messiah and samadhi buried acharya Kirtanananda. I forgot, masturbating to porno Gunagrahi also warrants a samadhi in the dham.  

And thus the "clear understanding" is: people who are of less moral character than the town dog catcher are fit to be worshiped as Krishna's successors. Do we have a question? Good, we will be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed for being a doubting Thomas. Doubts are not allowed! So these guys are gurus, that is very clear, anyone who doubts they are gurus gets poked in the rear with a metal pipe. YS PD

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FULL ISKCON DIKSHA MORATORIUM ANNOUNCED

(Starting December 1st, 2026 till Gaura Purnima 2027. Watch this space for possible extensions.)

It looks like a brazen attempt to pre-empt and/or prepare for a SCHISM.
GBC STEPS TO AVOID A SCHISM OR TO MANAGE ONE AS CLEANLY AND LEGALLY AS POSSIBLE.

STEP 1. Introduce a Full Moratorium to assert GBC dominance over all ISKCON gurus and leaders requiring Oaths of Allegiance clearly stating they must LEGALLY follow the GBC.

STEP 2. Require all ISKCON gurus and leaders to provide full LEGAL FINANCIAL disclosures. This will be important evidence with which to LEGALLY challenge any defectors who might attempt to leave the domination of the GBC and split from ISKCON proper (as the Rtviks in Bangalore have done).

STEP 3. Whatever paper the Guru Services Committee comes up with at Gaura Purnima 2027 it will not satisfy all parties.

STEP 4. When one or more resolutions are made subsequent to the Full Moratorium those who threaten to split from ISKCON will therefore be in a weak position morally and legally because they have already just sworn an Oath of Allegiance and disclosed their full financial details.

STEP 5. Make resolutions that significantly change the system of guru in ISKCON. State clearly and openly that those opposing such resolutions have violated their Oaths of Allegiance and are not allowed to re-start giving initiations in ISKCON unless and until they agree to submit to the "new" system the GBC is proposing.

STEP 6. If necessary take legal steps to bring the financial assets of apostate gurus and ISKCON leaders again under the direct control of the ISKCON GBC.
This whole plan is the GBC realizing their system of the last 50 years is crashing down around them because it was not based on sastra and tradition and yet trying to save themselves from splitting ISKCON further by re-inventing the system in some way. (Presumably the "new" system will introduce tighter controls of ISKCON gurus and leaders).

The ONLY "real" solution to the problem is to establish a truly sastric and traditional system of Guru Tattva within ISKCON which would require the GBC to get rid of many ISKCON Guru Laws and the appointment system altogether and allow the natural system of choosing a guru (or gurus) to be practiced in ISKCON. As per Srila Prabhupada's purport to CC Adi 1.35.

I do not see the ISKCON GBC giving up their position of managing who can and who cannot initiate in ISKCON. This would simply require ISKCON leaders to judge all persons who want to serve within the ISKCON Insitution on their own merits rather than judge who they decide to take Vaishnava Diksha from. But this seems to be a "bridge too far" for the ISKCON GBC.

SUNDAR NITAI DASA

My Response to the GBC’s Recent Announcement on the Guru Situation in ISKCON
When I read the GBC’s statement of 26 October 2026, I feel both hopeful and apprehensive. I feel excited that the GBC is taking steps to revisit guru-tattva and the future of ISKCON, and concerned about the evidence and principles that will guide this important work.

My hope is that those entrusted with this service will make Śrīla Prabhupāda’s own written instructions the central reference point. The primary question is not simply what was practised in another age, during Lord Caitanya’s time, or within traditional Vedic society. It is: What did Śrīla Prabhupāda want for the society he founded, and how did he direct that society to function after his departure?

Prabhupāda brought his understanding of the Vedic and Vaiṣṇava traditions into ISKCON through his own teachings, instructions and institutional arrangements. Those who choose to serve within the society he founded have a responsibility to take his specific directions seriously. General scriptural principles and historical traditions can provide valuable context, but they do not replace an examination of what Prabhupāda himself established for ISKCON.

I therefore respectfully request that the GBC, its Executive Committee, the Regional Governing Bodies, the India Bureau, the ICC, the Guru Services Committee, the Sastric Advisory Council and everyone involved in this review give particular attention to the following:

1. Prabhupāda’s written directives on management

Please give serious consideration to the Direction of Management, which sets out Prabhupāda’s intended managerial arrangements, alongside his other formal written instructions. The review would benefit from establishing how these directives were intended to operate and how subsequent GBC structures and decisions relate to them.

2. The July 9, 1977 directive on initiation

Please examine this directive alongside the other relevant written documents, establishing precisely what arrangement Prabhupāda authorised, how he instructed it to operate, and what the complete documentary record establishes about its intended continuation. The review would also benefit from examining the will, relevant probate documents and other formal instructions in their proper historical context.

3. A clear distinction between written instructions and later interpretations.

Recorded conversations, general statements and discussions about possible future appointments are relevant evidence. However, discussions about hypothetical arrangements need to be distinguished from appointments or directives that were actually finalised and formally communicated. Where an instruction is claimed to have been given, I believe it is important to establish what documentary evidence supports that claim and how it relates to Prabhupāda’s formal written directions.

4. An independent examination of the GBC’s own accountability

The review is considering the relationship between gurus and ISKCON’s managerial authority. It is equally important to examine how that managerial authority itself relates to Prabhupāda’s instructions. The Direction of Management and the other relevant documents deserve careful consideration as possible foundations for assessing the GBC’s own structure, authority and accountability.

5. Putting Prabhupāda back at the centre of ISKCON

I would welcome serious consideration of a model in which Prabhupāda’s position as Founder-Ācārya and pre-eminent spiritual guide is reflected not only in statements of principle, but in the actual arrangements for initiation, discipleship and management.

My own view is that ISKCON would benefit from reconsidering whether initiating devotees need to occupy the distinct institutional position they hold today. Senior devotees could continue serving as spiritual guides, instructing devotees and conducting initiations under an arrangement consistent with Prabhupāda’s documented intentions. The precise form of such an arrangement is a matter for careful documentary examination, rather than assumption.

I would also welcome consideration of how discipleship is understood and recorded within the society: whether those initiated within ISKCON are recognised primarily as members and disciples of Prabhupāda’s society, rather than being defined institutionally by exclusive allegiance to an individual initiating guru. This is an important question about the place of the Founder-Ācārya in the life of every ISKCON member.

I recognise that devotees may interpret some of the evidence differently. My request is that these differences be addressed through an open, independent and thorough examination of the primary documents, with the reasoning and conclusions made available to the wider membership.

This is an important opportunity to put Śrīla Prabhupāda’s documented intentions at the centre of the discussion—not merely to clarify the existing guru system, but to examine whether the system itself reflects the arrangements he intended for ISKCON.

I sincerely hope everyone entrusted with this service will approach it with the care, honesty and responsibility that such an important task deserves.

Original Books / Zoom Class / ISKCON No! / Tulsi / Horse's Oats Prasadam 10 24 26

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ORIGINAL BOOKS (Jitarati site):

https://gitatrust.com/?

STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS:

After Srila Prabhupada was taken out of the picture in November 1977, and the hijackers set about redesigning his movement as they desired their new empire to be, it was important for them to usurp his books as a potential cash cow.
But in order to milk this commodity, they had to find a way to operate outside of the original BBT trust set up by Srila Prabhupada, because the profits from the trust could only legally be used for temple construction and printing.

So instead they created the fraudulent corporation called BBT International Inc. and set about rewriting Srila Prabhupada's books as derivatives of the originals.
This theft of Srila Prabhupada's intellectual property was not the first time such a thing had happened in the movement however.

Back in the early days of the movement, Kirtanananda and Hayagriva tried stealing Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita manuscript and palming it off as their own work to American publishers - none of which believed it was their own work.
Kirtanananda even started the "First United Church of Krishna—Youth Organization Underground" (check the acronym) and sent mail to Srila Prabhupada and his disciples which was printed on official stationery.

Eventually both basket cases came crawling back with their tails between their legs. However, the same thing would later take place on a much larger scale and eventually Kirtanananda would have his dreams of being worshipped as a wannabe guru fulfilled. And Srila Prabhupada's literary legacy would also be stolen and kept hostage for nearly half a century - until now.

Those who still believe that the changing of Srila Prabhupada's books and the replacement of the BBT with the BBT(II) by those who hijacked the movement is anything less than a great big <insert acronym here> to Srila Prabhupada by those who have the same mood and disposition as Kirtanananda and Co. had better take a reality check.

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Srimad Bhagavatam Reading & Discussion

Hare Kṛṣṇa dear devotees! We are excited to invite you to a reading of the 1962 Delhi Edition of the Srimad Bhagavatam, by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, conducted by the Hare Krishna Society.

Date & Time:

—Sunday, 25 OCTOBER 2026---

7:30 am to 9:00 am, California, USA Time 10:30 AM US East Coast Time, 8 pm India Time, 4:30 pm Italy Time 

Speaker: HG Yasodanandana Dasa

Topic: Raghunatha dasa & Raghunatha Bhatta Goswamis, and Srila Krishnadas Kaviraja Tirobhava Tithi [disappearance]

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Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.35: Prayers by Queen Kunti Continued: Lord Krishna appeared to renovate devotional service.

Zoom link:
https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85627702726...
Meeting ID: 856 2770 2726
Passcode: 683586
Hope to see you all there!
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ISKCON NOT FOR ME!

Dhira Nitai It seems there is a pattern, where leaders involved in dealing with abuse reassure devotees of settling the matter in a dharmic way, only to betray their good faith and trust immediately or some time after, by handling the matter in favor of abusers and never of the abused. Sannyasa disciple of Jayadvaita Swami did exactly that to abused lady and me, a senior devotee to whom mataji revealed that a sexual assault was done to her by a married temple president (Swami's favorite disciple): Swami showed "understanding and compassion" and "pastoral care" to the mataji in an initial meeting. 

But as soon as the matter was brought infront of the local GBC and as soon as I was out of the picture, everything was pushed under the carpet. What was spoken in our "revelation meeting" was not relevant anymore and there was no transparent communication to the community either. The outcome: blame the victim for what has happened! Finally nobody in the community was sure what has happened. And mataji had to leave the community all together. I was labelled as "a trouble maker" and was looked down upon. But this was a blessing in disguise for me to finally make my decision about such an Iskcon, which is not "my Iskcon" anymore.

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TULSI GABBARD

PADA: Yep prabhu. In the years before joining the Trump administration, Tulsi Gabbard repeatedly warned that a war with Iran would be disastrous. For example, in a January 2020 interview after the U.S. strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, Gabbard said:

"Speeding towards an all-out war with Iran will make the wars that we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic."

She also said such a war would be:

"far more costly in American lives and American taxpayer dollars."

More recently, ongoing reports noted that lawmakers confronted Gabbard with her earlier warnings that war with Iran would be so costly and devastating that it would "make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic." 

Wow. she really had that pegged, this war has already cost every American citizen $2,000 for the war cost itself, never mind they are spending hundreds of billions more for gas every month. India politicians are now saying the real reason for the war is to cut off India farmers from fuel and fertilizer, to make a famine in India, to get rid of India people, because India is friends with Russia -- so the USA wants to punish and starve India. 

In other words, there are a lot of other people worldwide not happy with this war. Basically Tulsi ran on the platform "no new wars" campaign, but so did the whole MAGA folks, they lied and then booted Tulsi. Very obviously self evident. Tulsi was looking very depressed in her last days in office, she realizes she shares the karma of promoting and assisting all this to come into being in the first place. She promoted all this, but at least she bailed out when she saw the mess she helped make, better late than nothing. 

ys pd

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Not for Human Consumption / Horse Feed "Prasadam"

B Dasi Our experience at New Vrndavan back in the day:

My 3-year-old son S and I lived there for only 27 days. They were strange days of increasing horror. In that short time, I nearly lost him. We arrived at the farm on October 1, 1978. Fortunately we were placed in a house down the road a short way from the farm property. The other two occupants were a devotee Mother M who was a nurse, and her husband who suffered with diabetes.

S went to the day program while I was doing my service in the office trailer. We walked down the road home together each evening. October 27th was S’s 4th birthday and he didn’t look well. He was listless, and when we got home from morning temple services Mother M told me that we needed to take him to the hospital. Driving children to the hospital was one of her services, so she drove us there. S was admitted and he was put into quarantine. There we remained for two weeks. He nearly died.

The children at NV were often ill with amoebic dysentery which had been going on for a very long time. Fortunately, S did not have that ailment, he was diagnosed with severe malnutrition.

Food was scarce at NV, and most of what we were given to eat was not very good. Much of the diet was rice, but S never would eat that. I tried to get him some fresh fruit but all that I could ever get for him were a few raisins. The morning meal consisted of a gray soup called oatmeal. It looked like spent dishwater. It was tasteless with only a few grains of what could have been oats. I always wondered what it was. Needless to say, we did not return to the NV farm of horror.

In 2013 (so many years later), the gray soup mystery was solved. A devotee here at the Denver temple was at NV when we were. His service there had been in the kitchen. He told me that the “oatmeal” was made from a bag of scrap oats that were labeled by the packer, “Not for human consumption.”

Hare Kṛṣṇa! 

Henry Doktorski III

Great story, BB! Glad you got out when you did. I also came to New Vrindaban in 1978, August, but I stayed for 16 years. The brahmacharis and I called our breakfast "oatwater." I never liked it. Consistency of mucus. And yes, during my entire life there, good food was a scarcity, even in the 1980s.

BB: I will never go there again … unless Kṛṣṇa Himself wants me to do so. In retrospect, I have several reasons to believe that NV was cursed from the beginning.

Henry Doktorski III

Yes, the beginning was inauspicious. As noted in "Gold, Guns and God," Vols. 1 and 2, Kirtanananda and Hayagriva wanted to start an LSD commune in direct competition with ISKCON. Only after several months without attracting many students, K & H decided to apologize to Swamiji and ask to return to ISKCON.

BN: Had the author spoken to me I could have given him more insight into Hansadutta and Mt Kailasa. I was living there at the time. 

What is a GBC Guru? / Varada Krishna Flips / Vivek / Hansadutta 10 22 26

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, after making illicit sex deviants as acharyas for decades, now the GBC is having "intense discussions" about the position of GBC guru. What is a GBC guru? Nobody can say for sure! What we can say for sure is, anyone who disagrees with these gurus can be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. That is fer sure! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

 

PADA: Varada Krishna's first video says Madhu Pandits's Bangalore is correct because they are connecting people to Prabhupada [and not the GBC's illicit sex deviants posing as gurus]. Then all of a sudden he is defending the illicit sex with men, women and children GBC's messiah's program. We need to connect to that process.

OK someone right away said, he is getting paid by Bombay ISKCON. I dunno, but this is odd. Even more odd are some of the comments, "we are confused by all this." Oh yeah, should I worship Jesus as my guru? Or maybe the town's skirt chasing drunk as my guru? I dunno, it is too hard to decide! You are not confused, you have no understanding of basic mundane moral platform because you are not a religious person. 

Heh heh heh. ys pd

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, Vivek Ramaswami is running an ad featuring his opponent's biological mom, calling his opponent a liar. Well as it turns out the mom was married to a man who was raping the daughter (his opponent) from 9 - 12 years age, when she was a child. 

A court convicted the man and the mother lost custody in 1978. Now Vivek Ramaswamy is using testimony from the mom to prove his opponent is a liar. Wait, the victim who testified she was raped as a child is a liar? 

So yeah, this is making more people believe the MAGA group is a pedophile friendly program, covering for Epstein and so on. Then JD Vance came out in support of attacking the child rape victim. I have to agree with the people saying this is highly disgusting. The victim has already suffered trauma, and they are trying to make more trauma for the victim, and glorify the mother who aided and abetted the rapist. Family values MAGA people?   

And if the mom was harboring and hiding the rapist to avoid his prosecution, why isn't she being arrested for harboring a fugitive, obstructing justice etc.? Instead she is being given a highly respected guest / glamour spot on MAGA advertising. And yeah, it does have the look of being pro-pedophile and anti-victim. 

But PADA has some angry MAGA folks out there complaining we should not attack MAGA. OK if MAGA leaders are attacking rape victims, and promoting people who aid and abet pedophiles, I do not see how they are a whole lot better than the GBC? It looks like the identical agenda? 

MAGA is losing steam, evidently because all the things they promised, including investigating Epstein, has not happened and thus it looks like the Epstein agenda is being protected, because big MAGA people are involved. I dunno, but people are asking.  

What do we know? This is not good pilgrims! ys pd  

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HANSADUTTA

Well after Hansadutta declared that Kirtananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and he cleaned out the Berkeley temple to send everyone to New Vrndavana, shortly after that Sulochana went down. Yuvati called the law enforcement guys and targeted Tirtha as the hit man, and he was arrested -- but he was seen in Berkeley doing surveillance on my pick up truck -- according to officer Joe Sanchez. They told me "you are next" and they wanted to send me to Kansas. 

Then a few days after Sulochana went down, I was confronted near the temple by three enforcers from New Vrndavana who were sent to "take me on a friendly picnic in the country." The Berkeley PD had been tipped off by the FEDS, who were tapping Hansadutta's phone, that they were coming for me, to take me away. And they had two cars with undercover guys inside following me around, and they yelled into their car loud speaker, everyone freeze. In other words, after I saved Hans from being taken out by a disgruntled husband whose wife he was stooping, Hans decided to thank me by sending me to the morgue. 

Thanks a lot dude! Later on he came back to Berkeley and was all smiley with me, "oh yeah we all went crazy didn't we"? He tried to make a joke out of sending people here to take me out. I think he has now found out that the higher authority is not laughing and he is in a heap of trouble. But yeah, the Berkeley PD said to me, the Krishna's won't eat a cow, but they will eat you for lunch. And they would have ate you for lunch if we were not around. Eric Johanson at the time was joining the Bhaktipada people saying me and Sulochana are drunks and not following, which Sulochana said -- was done -- to mark us as targets -- to make us look bad -- to take us out. Sulochana was 100% right. ys pd

VK: We’re all a little mad so it’s all the right then yeah?! Ridiculous!

JB: You said the enforcers were from New Vrindavan. Why did you say Hansadutta sent them?

PADA: The FEDS said Hansadutta was making phone calls to arrange for them to come, and two of them were Hansadutta's disciples. I did not say that he was arranging, the FEDS said that. ys pd

ERIC JOHANSON

In 1986 we at Mt. Kailasa brought the first lawsuit against Kiranananda, Hansadutta and New Vrindavana, so you weren't the only one afraid of being shot. You an your slimy victim game. Besides, it wasn't til years later that I wrote that I thought you and Sulocana weren't following. He was long dead by then.. So I never "targeted" him or anyone. You continue to just make up stuff to promote your victimhood. 

No doubt you can reference Srila Prabhupada saying that's pure devotional service. Anyway, it's now well documented by Doktorski that Sulocana was smoking dope. God, you're unpleasant. No wonder you're one of the most reviled devotees..


PADA: Kailasa Chandra says, and still says, we are drunks and sahajiyas to discredit us, and it worked, he made us targets. Sulochan said they are calling us that to make us targets, and now he is a slimy victim, who makes things up? He is a victim, and he said he was going to be taken out because they are discrediting him. He is correct. You said the people in Berkeley were also saying we are not following, and those are the people on their way to New Vrndavana. You are citing them, our hunters. 

If people are complaining about child predators mass mistreating children, who cares if they are smoking pot? Are children less important than pot? We had to sue the GBC for $3M and $400M for mass child mistreatment, which means, the meat eating karmis know that pot smoking and children are not equal important. But yeah, we sued the people calling us names and now they hold a grudge, because the courts ruled against "the only pure devotee on the planet" Kirtanananda. 

Yep, saving children from mistreatment is mighty unpleasant, especially when those people do not know that pot and children are not equal important, while the karmis do know. I am not worried about my victimhood, but children and Sulochana are victims, and I represent their cause. And he is a not a slmy victimhood person, he says calling us names makes us targets, and he is -- gone -- thanks to that agenda. Yeah the devotees revile me, because we exposed their whole mass mistreatment of children process and they lost in court. Sour grapes. ys pd


KB: How about toxic poisoned grapes? They are upset the child molesting was exposed, the real issue. People who expose child molesting in a cult are ... reviled by the cult. We already knew that!

Food Banks / Sundar Nitai / Hansadutta / Temple Post / Narayan Maharaja / Rupa Goswami 10 20 26

Our soul is missing something?

This is what it is! 

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CAN'T GET TO THE FOOD BANK

PADA: My friend works at a Food Bank, and he says after they cut food stamps the Food Bank is overwhelmed with orders from poor people. First of all, they do not have enough food now, they are short on donations.  

Worse! A number of the poor are now calling the food bank begging for the donations to be delivered, because they cannot afford $6.75 gasoline to get there. Is this a plan to starve out the poor to get rid of them? People are starting to wonder, why is this going on? What is the plan? ys pd 

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Sundar Nitai Dasa

ISKCON in Context: Bhakti Cāru Swami’s Response to the Guru System
In August 1980, less than three years after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s departure, Bhakti Cāru Swami and other devotees approached Śrīla B.R. Śrīdhara Mahārāja to discuss the situation developing within ISKCON.

One of their central questions was whether Śrīla Prabhupāda had actually appointed the eleven ṛtviks as successor gurus.

Bhakti Cāru stated:

“Actually, one of the questions is that whether Prabhupāda really appointed them as Guru. Because so far we didn't find enough proof to confirm that.”

He acknowledged that the ṛtviks could initiate on Prabhupāda’s behalf, but raised the unresolved question of what should happen after Prabhupāda’s departure:

“But after Prabhupāda left, who will initiate Prabhupāda did not clearly mention. This doubt is coming up now.”

His concerns extended beyond the original appointments. He also described dissatisfaction with how some gurus were exercising their authority and the effect this was having on devotees. Bhakti Cāru spoke of disciples leaving ISKCON because they could no longer tolerate the situation. He explained that devotees were seeking guidance and hoping that the problems could be rectified.

This conversation provides a contemporary record of uncertainty about Prabhupāda’s instructions, dissatisfaction with the emerging guru system, and concern about its consequences for the movement.

It does not settle every question about Prabhupāda’s intentions, but it documents the doubts and objections being expressed at the time. The purpose of this investigation is to understand what devotees questioned, what they experienced, and how the situation developed—not to find fault with individuals.

Source: "August 1980 conversation with Śrīla B.R. Śrīdhara Mahārāja"

PADA: This guy writes a lot of interesting pieces and he gets into some important history, unfortunately, he blocks making comments. But yeah Bhakti Caru knew something was terribly amiss right out of the gate. But then he surrendered to their process, to get a post for himself. 

OK he sold his soul to Satan to get temporary opulence and worship. The GBC wanted to make me the guru of Ireland so I would sell my soul to them. Well there are devotees who think Satan already owns my soul, and maybe he does, but it is not for sale to the GBC's gurus, hands off my soul you bogus messiahs, fer sure! At least Satan is honest, he opposes God and admits.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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HANSADUTTA UPDATE

PADA: Well after Hansadutta declared that Kirtananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and he cleaned out the Berkeley temple to send everyone to New Vrndavana, shortly after that Sulochana went down. Yuvati called the law enforcement guys and targeted Tirtha as the hit man, and he was arrested -- but he was seen in Berkeley doing surveillance on my pick up truck -- according to officer Joe Sanchez. 

They told me "you are next" and they wanted to send me to Kansas. Then a few days after Sulochana went down, I was confronted near the temple by three enforcers from New Vrndavana who were sent to "take me on a friendly picnic in the country." The Berkeley PD had been tipped off by the FEDS, who were tapping Hansadutta's phone, that they were coming for me, to take me away. 

And they had two cars with undercover guys inside following me around, and they yelled into their car loud speaker, everyone freeze. In other words, after I saved Hans from being taken out by a disgruntled husband whose wife he was stooping, Hans decided to thank me by sending me to the morgue. Thanks a lot dude! 

Later on he came back to Berkeley and was all smiley with me, "oh yeah we all went crazy didn't we"? He tried to make a joke out of sending people here to take me out. I think he has now found out that the higher authority is not laughing and he is in a heap of trouble. But yeah, the Berkeley PD said to me, the Krishna's won't eat a cow, but they will eat you for lunch. And they would have ate you for lunch if we were not around. Eric Johanson at the time was joining the Bhaktipada people saying me and Sulochana are drunks and not following, which Sulochana said -- was done -- to mark us as targets -- to make us look bad -- to take us out. Sulochana was 100% right. ys pd

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ISKCON TEMPLE OF THE HOLY NAME (POSTED NOTICE) (pg 1)

Our Position

ISKCON Temple of the Holy Name, the home of Sri Sri Parama Karuna Nitai Gaurasundara is a Temple within

The International Society for Krishna Caonciousness, as established by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder Acharya . We are loyal to, preach from, promote the (illegally changed) books of and espouse the teachings of His Divine Grace Srila Pabhupada. (When it suits us)

We serve within the greater ISKCON direction of the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC). (Even though Srila Prabhupāda was adamant that each center should manage it’s self and that the GBC was only to make sure the rules, regs and standards were being followed)

Reason for the Policy

It is recognized that spiritual movements will inevitably develop many branches over time, particulcularly after the passing of the Founding Acharya. Since the physical departure of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupāda, we have seen a number of devotees join groups associated with the Gaudiya Math or other Vaisnava groups, as well as those following “alternative” philosophies regarding disciplic succession. ("ie" Follows the July 9th directive)

Policies will be sent to all community members via email (unless we don’t like you) and hard copy will be posted in the Tulasi room. (We will type this up after we finish our nightly TV program-S.J.)

Our Goal

Although our community may have philosophical and organizational diversity, our goal is to exist peacefully with all elements (This temple is not meant to be a public place for the whole world, only who we choose). However, to preserve the purposes of ISKCON, certain policy standards regarding activities on Temple Property (That we stole from the owner who is a Ritvik by voting him out so we could incorporate under ISKCON, and therefore could collect big donations). need to be clarified. (We do not go by the July 9th, 1977 final direction by Srila Prabhupāda of keeping him as the only Diksa Guru and those that follow Srila Prabhupāda in this regard will be excommunicated like how we did to Anda Bahya and her Husband). 

(We only follow the 11 fallen gurus that usurped his post and the fake chain of succession that followed, because eh, we can).

Welcome Activities

TAKE DARSHAN

ATTEND CLASSES (Either given by a pedophile or mentally Ill demon's who don't like Srila Prabhupada’s original books and banns them)

ATTEND PROGRAMS (Take a feast that may be offered to Krishna first because Srila Prabhupāda didn’t know you can go directly to Krishna even though he set it up to always go through the Spiritual Master and he offers to his Spiritual Master up the chain to Krishna).

ATTEND KIRTANS (But if you do not follow the current gurus, do not try to lead when and if you are the only Vaishnava in the room, otherwise you will be quashed by an unfriendly priest, if a drunk or Karmie enters the room, you must ask them to lead, they are much better devotees than you, and do not try to offer Tulsi Puja unless there is no one else to offer it, as usual)

OFFER SERVICES (You may be the only one willing and able to do it, because all the “Good” devotees can’t be bothered). (The camaraderie is high, even though we only come if and when there is Prasad and we spend a lot of time discussing those bad devotees who strictly follow everything Srila Prabhupāda taught).

Services

Services will be appointed and approved by Temple Management, which consists of Suddha Jiva dasa, Mamata Dasi and Madan Mohan Mohini Dasi. Temple Managers may require participants to fill out an ISKCON application before engaging in the following services. (Application and or screening may also be required when devotees are coming to stay overnight on the property) (But, we do not check if you are a Pedophile, that would be fine). (Do not try to screen us though you may find out how some of us abused the children in the past by being their teachers and handymen).

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GIVING CLASSES (But only if you use the illegally changed books and do not mention anything controversial that Srila Prabhupāda said).

OFFERING WORSHIP (But, only if you bow to the GBC and all their rules).

LEADING KIRTAN (But only if you are a strict follower of the GBC or a Hindu who may eat meat and worship demigods and NOT one of those filthy, GM or Ritviks who are vegatarians chanting 16 rounds and following all the regs).

RESTRICTED ACTIVITIES

No persons shall be allowed to engage in the following activities on the Temple grounds and property:

Promote beliefs, personalities or organizations that are not directly endorsed by ISKCON and its representatives or unduly criticize ISKCON and its authorities. (You must only promote the changed books and the fallen gurus Prabhus, got it? How many of those do we have? only about 80 that is not that much why bother yourself researching that stuff? 

Yes, they fell down into pedophilia, prostitutes, drugs, murder stealing money, SRA and other light weight things, don't listen to those who are envious of them). (Such personalities that you may not be allowed to associate with, because it is our business are senior disciples of Srila Prabhupāda that were very close servants like Govinda Dasi, Yasodanandana Das, Ishan Das and Damaghosh Das).

Distribute literature that promote such beleifs. (You will fall down if you read how cadmium was tested by professional forensics and found in Srila Prabhupada's hair samples that are 400 times the amount that would kill a normal person).
Influence guests or devotees in the above beliefs/criticisms. 

This includes inviting congregational members to attend their functions and or join their groups. (Mostly we can control you because we know that you don't want to be banned). (Of course you can go to the Ritviks Ashram and be in a in a safe space where no politics are discussed and you can get close up darshan of 21 Silas and be exposed to the original Shakta Vesha Avatar's books that are well taken care of. That is why you must stay away from these rotten influences that may open your eyes to what Srila Prabhupāda really wanted).

CONSEQUENCES

(You knew they were coming, don't be naive). Anyone in violation of this policy will be asked to leave the Temple Property. (Unless maybe we can squeeze a few more farthings out of you for our beautiful show cows). If any residents of the community are found to be involved in any of the above restricted activities, which includes offensive online posts. (Like this one for example) Such persons can be banned from attending the Temple for an indefinite period of time. 

(Or Excommunicated like our monkey on the sticks Anda and Jiva. Although Srila Prabhupada never did that, nor would he if you are exposing cheaters and demons, that he always told us TO do). (Funny thing is that they excommunicated us, then let us do all sorts of services because the congregation was not willing to cope with them. 

Funnily enough we were doing the seva that the others were to far above to do, like making garlands, shopping for the kitchen weekly, doing repairs, shoveling manure, trimming Tulsi''s Manjaris everyday. Attending Mangal Aarti and Guru Puja daily, we were mostly the only ones that went everyday for 10 months, then one demon started after us saying that the others do not come to Mangal Arati because we attend. So, we stopped going so they could go, guess what 2 years later and they still never go. (But I regress)

(It makes you automatically envious when you try to follow Srila Prabhupāda the way he wanted us to, therefor we are the envious ones-against Srila Prabhupāda himself).

See .4.8.7 Envious Acts against ISKCON

A person who uses a public speech, published writings, or other media of social communication to blaspheme, or to seriously damage the good faith of ISKCON members and associates, or who tries to stir up hatred or contempt against ISKCON or the GBC is to be corrected with a just remedial measure. (The truth is that the Ritviks are trying to return things back to Srila Prabhupāda, not keep drifting further and further away from what he taught us).

CONCLUSION

In making this policy statement, we are in no way denying the freedom of thought (hahaha) and speech of any person. We respect the individuals's rights to other philosophical positions. However, we are upholding the purpose of the Temple of the Holy Name property and projects, which is to promote Srila Prabhupada's teaching (We secretly know that is not true, how can it be when there are 5000 changes to his Srimad-Bagavad Gita) as enunciated by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) under the direction of the Governing Body Commission.

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NARAYAN MAHARAJA

I see that so many devotees now want to come and hear hari-kathā, but due to their weakness of mind they allow themselves to be led. Those who try to control them are acting against Vaishnava etiquette and are committing a grave offense. If someone invites people to come and hear hari-kathā, and someone else warns them not to do so, then that person commits the most serious offense. 

PADA: Great, now the GBC gurus who are forbidding people to visit Narayan Maharaja are offenders, after he was giving them gopi rasika classes.

Neither in history, nor in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the Mahābhārata, nor the Rāmāyaṇa have we ever seen Vaiṣṇavas behave like this. So this poison is being spread now. You should know that the one who spreads this poison is not even a Vaiṣṇava, let alone a qualified Guru.

PADA: Except Narayan Maharaja people ban the ritviks? They are infuriated when people worship pure devotees, and NM calls us "ritvik poison" -- because we did not promote his homosexual and pedophile guru society pals like Tamal. Bhagavan is still a NM groupie now and he says the ritvivks are bogus, but Tamal's cheer leader has been authorized.

If a so-called Guru gives such an order, he must absolutely be rejected. We are followers of Kṛṣṇa-bhakti. When we see someone who is qualified to give us that Kṛṣṇa-bhakti, then we must hear from him. Bhakti is not bound by sectarian limitations. Wherever a bona fide Vaiṣṇava speaks about Hari-kathā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, we must definitely go there to hear from him. 

PADA: Except if he promotes a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada, then he is ritvik poison.

If such a Vaiṣṇava is present and we do not go to hear from him, then we commit an offense. Thus the explanation of the śāstra has been changed. Actually, the explanation itself has not changed, but the mentality of those who try to give it has. Therefore I think that you should not follow these false instructions, regardless of who gives them. Even if your Guru says this, you must reject it. This is Vaishnava etiquette.

PADA: NM invited me to his ashram to talk, and he left me sitting from 830 AM to 530 PN without seeing me, then he sneaked out the back door and left the property. Even the hamburger eating people know that is terrible etiquette. 

So listen attentively and take all of this to heart. Try to apply everything you hear in your life. If there is anything you do not understand or realize, you can ask one of the Vaiṣṇavas for an explanation, or you can come to me. I will try to help, without any discrimination based on caste or creed. The devotees of Mahā-puruṣa are not bound by sectarian values or limited by boundaries or walls; on the contrary, they are for the entire world. Just as Kṛṣṇa belongs to the whole world, so do the Vaiṣṇavas. If someone creates sectarianism in the name of spiritual life, then he is doing so without any reference to sadhu, śāstra, or Guru.
Śrīla Bhaktivedānta Nārāyaṇa Gosvamī Mahārāja.
Malaysia. February 1, 1998.

PADA: Saying the ritviks are poison is making them targets for banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassination. That is the plan is it not? ys pd

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RUPA GOSWAMI


Verse 60–61


When will Dhaniṣṭhā, seeing you from afar, hasten to joyfully accompany you, in my presence, to Nandīśvara, the magnificent residence of the king of Vraja? That glorious abode, surrounded by affectionate gopīs, resounds with the mooing of cows, the animated voices of the shepherds, and the praises of the skilled bard. Most beloved by the prince of Vraja and revered by all his inhabitants, it is considered even more exalted than the hill of Govardhana.


Verse 62
Oh, You, so kind and gracious! When will I immerse myself in an ocean of happiness while washing Your auspicious feet of lotus, enter the kitchen, offer respectful reverences to the queen of Vraja and to the other gopīs, and prepare an exquisite feast of nectarous delicacies?


Verse 63
Oh, Divine Queen! When will I be able to behold You with my head respectfully bowed and Your radiant face, while You glance at me with a loving gaze, and Your concerned mother embraces me affectionately, before You enter the forests to fulfill Your commitment to protect the flocks of cows surabhi?


Verse 66
Oh, You, with a beautiful face and a modest heart! When will I experience joy in my heart to see You happily enjoying a meal in the company of Your dear friends and the queen of Vraja, who showers You with affection that surpasses that of countless millions of mothers, in accordance with the loving promise You have made?


Verse 67
Oh, You, whose restless eyes resemble the graceful khañjana birds! When will I celebrate in my heart a magnificent festival of transcendental happiness by beholding how the queen of Vraja loves You as if You were her own newlywed daughter, embracing You, kissing Your head, and bestowing tender and affectionate glances upon You?


Verse 68
Oh, my dear friend Śrī Rūpa Mañjarī! When will I be able to follow you as you lovingly guide our Queen, Śrī Rādhikā, whose arm, like a delicate tangle, rests on yours, and whose very being has become the stage where the waves of divine playful love unfold, toward the secluded hill of Govardhana, where the Lord Madhusūdana, the most outstanding among those who master the art of playful jests, blocks your path with the pretext of demanding payment for a toll?


Verse 69
Oh, my dear friend! When will I feel filled with pride to behold how the Lord Mukunda, drawn by a breeze carrying the exquisite fragrance of Your slender figure, leaves, with some pretext, the bed of pastimes covered with jasmine, which Candrāvalī has prepared with her own hands, and, like a black bee irresistibly drawn by a fragrant lotus, hastens to meet you on the shores of the lake?

Ukraine Video / Bhagavan's True Colors 10 /18 /26

Wowsers folks. She says she is in danger and is afraid, but somehow or other Krishna put her there. Yeah, me too, challenging the molester messiahs is very dangerous, but Krishna put me here to resist them. Krishna! You ARE the ultimate drama maker! And we are just Your teeny little ant stage actors on your drama theater. She is a very sweet lady and we hope Krishna protects her over there. 

Oh my, love this one!

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PADA: Bhagavan's program systematically has Vaishnavas banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. But they would never have harmed a hair on the head of Srila Prabhupada himself. Honest! But they would brutalize his family and children. Does that make any sense pilgrims? 

We love the father, and that is why we brutalized his family and children? What makes more sense to PADA? The father AND his children were BOTH brutalized. Why would we protect one and cause severe harm to the other? What seems more logical is, they harmed their master, and then harmed his followers. They did not protect EITHER, and they attacked both, at least that makes sense. 

And that is why the Texas courts said, these ISKCON schools are the worst examples of mistreating children ever recorded in this court. Why would they also not mistreat Srila Prabhupada? The Bhagavan program was sending out hunting parties to take me and Sulochana to the morgue and out of our bodies, but they would not have done the same to Srila Prabhupada? 

Why wouldn't they? 

Even outside media people have told me, they hated and mistreated the followers of Srila Prabhupada because they hated Srila Prabhupada. The outsiders can follow common sense logic. Bhagavan said he had to leave when he discovered all the child abuse. That means the inside leaders did not know, but we outsiders did know? How is that possible? 

I said promoting predators as acharyas is harming children right out of the gate, Bhagavan did not know what was wrong with that? Then Bhagavan promotes Narayan Maharaja, Tamal's BFF cheer leader. We were suing Tamal in Texas and Narayan Maharaja was in Texas boosting Tamal, a big ring leader of the Auschwitz for kids process. We are promoting the Auschwitz for kids cheer leaders and management team, and then saying we are upset with the child abuse? Sorry, none of that makes sense. 

But Srila Prabhupada does say he is being poisoned, and that was all I needed to launch the issue. So far no rational explanation for the complaint and all the collaborating evidence has been made by Bhagavan or anyone else. Bhagavan's mistreatment of Srila Prabhupada devotees by banning and harassing them, and exploiting them, is famous. 

But the same party that mistreats junior Vaishnavas, would not mistreat a senior Vaishnava? A lot of people would say, nope, they would mistreat all of the above. And many of of think, they did. And many victims told me they were severely mistreated, and it looks to us like -- Srila Prabhupada is also one of the victims. 

Maybe Bhagavan was not a direct Judas, but he became a servant of the Judas party, and we believe -- Srila Prabhupada suffered being poisoned in that party's hands and then -- they came after us -- the followers, and our children. And then we suffered. But I would rather be a suffering victim and not an exploiting leader, because we will not have to share in their karma, which is going to be nothing short of horrendous IMHO.  

But the Bhagavan program here supports Narayan Maharaja, who eventually agreed with us on the poison issue. He does not even follow his own mentors and guides. He is against everyone else, even his own shiksha gurus.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

Re: Bhagavan Das Shows His True Colors

Srila Prabhupada: Someone has poisoned me.

Kaviraja: Look, this is the thing that maybe some
rakshasa gave him poison.
(room conversaton 8-10 November 1977, Vrindavan, India)

What further proof is needed ?

Dear Friends and AISF Members,

We recently came across this exchange on Facebook between Bhagavan das (William Ehrlichman) and Dhira Govinda das (David B. Wolf). Read this very elegant response that Dhira Govinda das addressed to Bhagavan. As we all know, Bhagavan was in the highest echelons of the ISKCON hierarchy and, practically immediately after Srila Prabhupada’s tirobhava lila, became one of the eleven “Naked Emperors” to jump on the ISKCON throne in a tinsel show of pretended divinity. We’ll leave it to our members to judge why Bhagavan is so vehemently opposed to “poison conspiracists.”

Full text of a Facebook posting from Bhagavan das Prabhu-

"This is Prabhupada’s answer as well to all the poison conspiracists who like cadmium on their gulabjomons. Enjoy Nico, Dhira Govinda and Naveen. The time is coming when your poison thoughts and conspiracies will dissolve you from the inside out. So let’s see if the three of you are open to a live public panel with an outside moderator where you can bring all your proof for every one to see and hear. You’re all 3 cowards hiding behind a key board. 

Read the end- “he is Vaisnava all powerful.” Do you fools think this was some pastime- the cadmium Lila. Idiots looking to give Prabhupada a poisonous send off
legacy." 

October 12, 2026 Reply from Dhira Govinda das

Dear Bhagavan Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krsna. Thank you for referencing me in your fbook posting, in connection with our process of discovery related to truths related to Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastime. You wrote, “So let’s see if the three of you are open to a live public panel with an outside moderator where you can bring all your proof for every one to see and hear.”

If you’d like to discuss with me about Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastime, I’m glad to do that, via correspondence, phone, in-person, internet, whatever you prefer. And if you’d like others to be present, I welcome that too. I will be glad to hear and carefully consider your viewpoints.

Below I’m including links to two podcasts where the hosts discussed with me my perspectives in regards to Srila Prabhupada’s departure. If you’re interested in my points of view, then I encourage you to view / listen to these podcasts, and, as I’ve indicated above, I am open and ready to hear and consider anything you’d like to share.

Link to The Hare Krishna Project Podcast, hosted by Narada Prabhu, September 26, 2024-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za17YkGc7eo

Link to Vaishnava Voices Podcast, hosted by Sitapati Prabhu, March 23, 2025- Ep #55. Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis that someone gave him poison | feat. Dhira Govinda das https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZDH4EJDzI

In your fbook posting you wrote- (((((((Read the end- “he is Vaisnava all powerful.” Do you fools think this was some pastime- the cadmium Lila. Idiots looking to give Prabhupada a poisonous send off legacy.)))))))

I’m attempting to understand the point that you’re wanting to establish, and, as of now, I’m not getting it. In the video link you include, Srila Prabhupada states, there in Los Angeles on June 20th, 1975, “He is Vaisnava; he is all-powerful.” So, a Vaisnava is all-powerful, and Sri Krsna and Sri Bhismadeva cocreated a disappearance pastime involving a bed of arrows. A Vaisnava is all-powerful, and Sri Krsna and Maharaja Pariksit cocreated a disappearance pastime involving a poisonous snakebird. 

A Vaisnava is all-powerful, and God and Jesus cocreated a disappearance pastime involving crucifixion. I’m not clear what point you’re trying to establish? Are you saying that Sri Krsna and Srila Prabhupada, combined, are not sufficiently powerful to arrange for a disappearance pastime involving poison? Like, they could cocreate a disappearance pastime that involves, a heart attack, or, some disease, but, not attempting poisoning? Please clarify.

Of course, it’s clear, that the arrows didn’t kill Sri Bhismadeva, the poison of the snakebird didn’t kill Maharaja Pariksit, etc. They departed according to their devotional will, in service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And similarly, if persons close to Srila Prabhupada in November 1977 did give him poison with homicidal intent, clearly that didn’t kill Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada departed by his choice, in cocreation with Krsna. And his departure pastime, and that of Jesus, Maharaja Pariksit, etc., are intended to move and inspire us to devote our lives with ever-increasing enthusiasm to self-realization and to cultivate purity of heart and service to the Supreme Person. 

Hare Krsna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

I’ll mention that on Feb. 1, 2024, I sent to you an email, to  Bhagavan.acbsp@gmail.com, from my email address - davidbwolf@satvatove.com. I began that email with “I appreciated your friend
request on fbook a few weeks ago. Over the weeks I’ve read and been inspired by several of your postings on fbook”, and I went on to invite your comments on Srila Prabhupada is Sastra: Perspectives on the Infallibility of Srila Prabhupada (SPIS). I’ve not received a reply from you to that email. 

In SPIS I do, in some way, address aspects of Srila Prabhupada’s departure. In case you’re interested, here is a link to SPIS, and that is followed by a link to a Vaishnava Voices podcast where we discuss SPIS.

http://www.yedaveda108.wordpress.com/.../srila-prabhupada…

May 11, 2024- podcast regarding Srila Prabhupada is Sastra: Perspectives on the Infallibility of Srila Prabhupada Ep. #43: Srila Prabhupada is Sastra | feat. Dhira Govinda das - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQdFHMl0JIM
I look forward to hear from you soon. I’ll mention that I’m not much active or responsive on fbook. I do regularly read and respond to email- davidbwolf@satvatove.com. 

Hare Krsna. I hope this meets you flourishing in your service to Srila Prabhupada and his movement. Your servant, Dhira Govinda dasa (David Wolf, Ph.D.)

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p.s. Have you seen the documentary *The Persuaders* yet? We highly recommend it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6HZ7dg2r_I&t=2425s