Rupanuga on Book Changes and ISKCON's Children's Suicides 7 15 26

 

Rūpānuga Dāsa (ACBSP) YouTube Interview 2026

FOURTH PART

Host: Let us, if we can, move on to some other controversial subjects.

Host: There are some very important subjects that you have written on and commented on, and a lot of devotees have appreciated your wisdom on these matters. For instance, the editing of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

PADA: Yep. After Rupanuga empowered the GBC guys to be gurus, they started writing all sorts of bogus books of their own, and started to do hatchet jobs on Srila Prabhupada's books. Rupanuga had no authority to empower this group as acharyas in the first place -- which resulted in all this editing. 

Host: Perhaps you could give us your analysis of that situation. You are a senior Prabhupāda man. You were around during the formative times of his mission and his translations.

So right now we have this back-and-forth debate, and the people who are for the changes, for not leaving it as it is, seem to be pretty dug in. It seems like the only way it is going to be resolved is in the courts in India. So what is your— And, you know, we have had Garuḍa on our show. We had a very long episode, which is actually our most viewed episode thus far. On this, we dissected it.

But I am curious to get your opinion of the book edits — you could say, the controversy.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Very unfortunate. I do not think that Śrīla Prabhupāda would have approved. For him, editing was grammatical: periods and commas, maybe some wording, but not changing the format or the philosophy. Not to change the philosophy, but simply grammatical. That was my understanding of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s editing work.

Punctuation and spelling, like that. Not ideology. And that is what has happened. The changes that were made — and I have been examining some of them — do not leave the philosophy alone. They make changes in the philosophy.

It does not spoil the whole book, in my opinion. The whole book is not spoiled, but basic concepts are made very unclear, whereas Bhagavad-gītā is very clear.

Host: Can you give us an example?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Two editions of the Bhagavad-gītā compared — one that was original, 1972, and the later revised edition, or edited edition. I made a comparison here, and it is not something that I have been able to memorize, but I will give you an example. So, two editions of the Bhagavad-gītā were compared. This method of “count and analyze” was applied to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 first edition and the revised 1983 edition. Only the verse translations were examined.
Out of 700 verses, 74%, or 521 verses, had words changed by deletions, insertions, or rearrangement.

In three chapters, over 90% of the verses were changed in this way. Chapter 6 had 43 verses changed out of 47 total. Chapter 11 had 50 out of 55, and Chapter 17 had 26 out of 28.

These numbers do not include verses that were changed only for spelling, punctuation, or capitalization. Only 21 verses, or 3% of the total, are in that category of grammatical changes.

For example, analysis of the deleted, inserted, or rearranged words in the revised edition revealed philosophical interpolations — that is, the insertion of different ideas.

For example, regarding sense control, “control the lower self by the higher self,” from the 1972 edition, was interpolated to “steady the mind by deliberate spiritual intelligence.”

Host: That is completely different.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Completely different. Completely.

In the 1983 Bhagavad-gītā, 3.43, “he who controls the senses” was interpolated in the next edition to “a sincere person who tries to control the active senses.” It is a completely softening of the whole concept.

Host: What was Prabhupāda’s letter to— I think it was Hamsadūta? “Our editing is for grammar and punctuation only, not for interpolation of philosophy or style.”

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I did not bring it?

Mādhavī: No.

Host: But I have it pretty much memorized: “Our editing is for grammar and punctuation only, not for interpolation of philosophy or style.”

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Right.

Host: That is pretty clear.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: But all these comparisons I gave you now were philosophical.

Host: Thank God you brought your secretary with you.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: She studies my work.

Host: So in conclusion—

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Behind every great man is a great woman. “The count and analyze method produced evidence that conclusively proves that the revised editions of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Teachings of Lord Caitanya are not editorially equivalent to the first editions in philosophy, style, or content.

These revised editions contain an undetermined number of interpolations of philosophy and style. Some examples have been demonstrated herein. These revised editions mix Śrīla Prabhupāda’s teachings with different ideas, without separating or identifying one from the other.

Thus, for the general reading, it is difficult to identify the interpolations of philosophy and style within the revised editions. For this reason alone, the revised editions of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Teachings of Lord Caitanya are unreliable for the study of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s teachings.”

Host: Wow, that is pretty heavy.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: That is my last sentence.

Host: That is very unreliable. That is heavy because what was Prabhupāda’s main mission? You say he came here for what purpose?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: To translate these books.

Host: Yes. Present them to the Western world.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes. And his books, he said on numerous occasions — at least three — would be the law books for the next ten thousand years.

Host: Yes.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: A lot of devotees worked very hard to supply the money to publish these books. And they distributed them because they believed in the contents. And they were not informed about these changes. And they kept distributing books without knowledge. I tell you, they would not have done that had they read this paper.

Host: And it is interesting to note, in the 1983 edition, that the statement — I think it was on the back cover, or maybe on the inside — “Śrīla Prabhupāda, the greatest exponent of Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Western world” — that was taken out of the 1983 edition.

Very, very telling.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

Host: Very telling.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I think there is too much enviousness — too much enviousness of Śrīla Prabhupāda. He was so perfect, and some people cannot tolerate perfection.

PADA: Most of the extensive editing was going on after Srila Prabhupada departed, although a few edits were made in 1976 -- which he was upset to find out. He said no more changes. Rupanuga's guru regime was responsible for making all these extensive edits, and empowering Jayadvaita to do a hatchet job on the books. 

After all this hatcheting has been going on for decades, Rupanuga finally says it is a problem. It was a problem right out of the gate, and he failed to bring attention to it early on -- until way after the fact -- after we had been mentioning in our newsletters etc. and we helped the BBTI lawsuit in 1997. As a leader, he should have raised the alarm way earlier -- before it got to this extent. Saying, there is an iceberg here, after we hit the iceberg already, is not entirely helpful. 

Host: Let us speak about that more, and how you saw that in your experience. Are you speaking of some of his disciples?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Uh-huh. Yes. Because initiation is an encouragement. It is not proof of one’s understanding. It is an impetus. It is a beginning. It is an empowerment to understand. But it has to be used regularly, or it gets weak. It has to be used over and over, just like muscles for an athlete. He has to keep himself up.

He cannot slip off. So I think that is what has happened, in my humble opinion. It is not so much simply living the work, but being constantly reminded of the truth, being reminded of the ideal. Automatically, if one reads the ideal over and over again, one begins to live it. You get influenced. It is an educational process. Śrīla Prabhupāda was, first of all, above everything, an educator. And he trained up educators to go out and educate other people in the contribution India made to the world.

PADA: The ideal is to worship Krishna via media His pure devotee. Rupanuga completely lost track of the ideal, and he thought we need to promote his lusty and intoxicated dog gurus as Krishna's successors, and that is a severe deviation from which ISKCON never recovered.

Host: You mentioned that you noticed, or you see, the tendency toward envy, which is pretty much concomitant in the jīva soul. That is why we left the association of the Supreme Lord, or rejected His association, due to that tendency to want to become little gods. So how did you see that manifest? Or how did you see that manifest in relation, say, to the book changes, and perhaps in other ways?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Well, I mean, if you can get away with changing the Absolute Truth, you are a pretty well-accomplished atheist. And I think some persons who are not fully purified enough, not fully developed enough in their own realizations, make errors because of that.

And some are envious, because where do we hear the truth anyway? I mean, who speaks the truth? And when someone hears it and they do not want to hear it, it might require them to change their ways. And they react, “Oh, this is too much.”

PADA: OK so the gurus Rupanuga empowered as gurus are maybe atheists and envious. How did they become gurus then? This means Rupanuga and his guru club never studied the qualities of an acharya, so they rubber stamped all sorts of disqualified if not atheistic folks as acharyas, including the book changer club. Vipramukha was one of the gurus Rupanugas guru reformers voted in as acharya, and he openly admits he is an atheist. That means they took no precautions when voting in these messiahs. 

Rupanuga Dasa: Just like the two who committed suicide back in— I thought it was too much for them. Yes, I knew them. They were very intelligent. Both of them were intelligent. But they had to make a choice, and their intelligence could not do it.

I talked to the parents of one of them. They knew I was sort of in charge of him, and they were not angry with me. They did not blame me. They understood it was his choice.

Host: I am just thinking it must have been a very difficult situation to be in, you know, when you had these two students and they somehow decided, of their own volition, to end their lives. A lot of times, in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is mentioned that we should not resent the principles. We should not resent them. And so instead of taking a humble position — “I am not up to snuff,” or “I am falling” — we try to change the philosophy so we do not look like we are falling short, or something. And I think a lot of times that false pride is what makes us want to change the philosophy, so we are not wrong, but we want to continue trying to lord it over, trying to do our own thing. So those are the things that I was thinking about while—

PADA: A number of ISKCON kids took their own lives. It might look like "it was their choice" but there are many combined contributing elements found in a society that produces a number of children feeling hopeless and suicidal. There are powerful external forces that change the children's internal feelings, emotions, religious framework, moral compass, life direction, feelings of isolation and depression and etc. 

In fact PADA was calling this a suicide epidemic in 1997. To have such a large number of distraught -- if not suicidal kids -- all at once -- points to a much larger issue -- i.e. a society that is applying extreme pressure to these kids. And those kids are evidently feeling suicide is the only way out. What kind of society creates this nihilistic / death cult mentality in its children? 

For starters a number of these kids reported being starved, beaten and sexually molested. That means the GBC / Rupanuga management body has not been looking out for the welfare of these kids. Or worse, has been actively helping and enabling the predators program and not the kids program. 

The GBC has had an endless amount emergency meetings. The so-called "fire brigade," like Rupanuga, Mukunda swami, Ravindra swarupa, Satsvarupa and others -- who would come to a zone to fix and repair a falling down guru and repress his scandals, but there seems to be no record of a flood of emergency meetings, or any meaningful meetings, to discuss the major problems being experienced by the ISKCON children. "We were being neglected, and neglect leads to negligence." 

I read numerous GBC reports being made in the 1980s, and the reports of the bad situation with the kids was conspicuous by its absence. Thus, many of these kids told me: "no one cared about us" "we were on our own" "we were in Auschwitz for kids" "the gurukulas were like North Korea, the elites have had big feasts -- and we ate rotten oatmeal" "the leaders are now saying it is our karma" "the leaders kept Dhanurdar and Bhaktividya Purna -- even after it was known they are evil severe child abusers" and so on and so forth. Actually one LA kid killed himself after seeing Los Angeles temple giving a hero's welcome to Dhanurdar. 

These kids did not feel protected, and maybe, not even wanted. "We are a burden, our parents can not do their service when they have to care for us." OK the Rupanuga management body was writing tons and tons and tons of material on how to keep their molester messiah's guru's system afloat, but what was happening to the children -- did not warrant hardly honorable mention. Still doesn't mind you, he is still not going over the issue threadbare.

The children simply were not the priority, while keeping the worship of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru process maintained was clearly the main objective and issue, and still is for that matter. So the children felt neglected, if not exploited, if not used as cannon fodder on the GBC / Rupanuga pedophile guru experiment.

Now as for me personally, if I was born in an evil kingdom where I was ordered by the government "you will have to promote and worship the GBC's / Rupanuga's homosexual / pedophile / illicit sex with men women children / and maybe cats / "God's heavenly messiah's project," or die in the pedophile king's firing squad, I would immediately choose dying. 

It would not even be a second thought or hesitation, or worthy of lengthy contemplation, death is vastly superior to being forced to worship deviants as God's successors. God will never be happy with me promoting such an odious deviation, for certain. Thus! Death is more honorable in that case, whereas living in that situation is -- maybe worse than death. 

So I clearly understand why a number of the ISKCON kids choose death, they want out of this situation -- and no one should blame or condemn them. They did what they thought was best: being born into a society that worships the evil regime's and Rupanuga's homosexuals and pedophiles deviants as God's messiahs is purely evil, and is called "killers of the soul" in shastra.  

The victims thus feel they are trapped in an evil society, and they are. Rupanuga never answered the point, someone or some group killed the spirit and thus the souls of these children. Sri Isopanisad says "killers of the soul," but who was it? Santa Claus, the Tooth fairy, or Rupanuga's regime? Killers of the soul dwell always in darkness, no small wonder then -- they want to drag others to darkness with them, misery loves company.

And thus maybe death is the most honorable way to cleanse the victims of the evil karma of being associated with that process. At least that might become what some victims feel is their best way out. I also know a number of devotee adults who died of alcohol, drugs, just plain drowning themselves, and a LARGE number of them got cancer due to depression and so on, so they could leave this situation. Many more kids and adults leave prematurely every day. Even the great kirtaneer Madhuvisa swami was drinking himself to death when I was his neighbor. Vodka. He actually started to go blind. 

But I said this is a problem right away in 1979. We cannot force our children to worship an intoxicated predator like Jayatirtha. It will harm their spiritual direction and contaminate them. And it did. Worshiping a pedophile or de facto pedophile is evil and will have an evil effect on the society. Did I forget to mention that after Jayatirtha kicked me out, the chloroform child molester gang was taking over Croome Court?  

So Rupanuga is not at fault, the GBC is not at fault, does that mean the children are at fault? I forgot, then the GBC ilk began to say the children just got bad karma, which alienates and depresses them all the more. It is called kicking a man when he is already down. Blame the victim!

In short, when Rupanuga ilk says the parents did not blame him for their kids committing suicide, then who ends up being blamed? It is -- ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada, or Krishna. Which is why a number of these ex-kids hate Hare Krishna. They blame the Krishna society, and -- I have no good counter argument to give them. 

Someone is to blame for all these suffering and dead kids, but it is never the people who made their environment? So then the Krishna religion is blamed, and not too surprising, none of the leaders and parents who made this mess is ever charged with the crime of orchestrating their homosexual and pedophile worship process for these children. 

Which infuriates and alienates and depresses the victims even more. We were victimized, and the people in the regime that victimized us got away scot free. And their gurus live like millionaires. While a number of these kids ended up homeless, sleeping in cars, and struggling to survive. Some of them could barely read and write, they did not even get an education. 

Who is to blame for that, these kids? So when Rupanuga says, he was not blamed, that is great news, someone else is to blame. Who is it? 

1999 GBC Resolution No. 403(A) Apology to Society from the GBC Body

“The GBC Body offers the following apology to the members and friends of ISKCON:

As humble followers of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, it is the GBC Body’s duty to execute his will to the best of our ability as we collectively understand it. During Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence, he simultaneously empowered the GBC Body and guided us when we erred. We continue to pray for his guidance and feel it is his will that we now correct the misunderstandings of the past.

Thus, the GBC Body, both individually and collectively, wishes to express its deepest apologies to, and beg the forgiveness of, the followers of Srila Prabhupada who were offended or hurt by our past decisions resulting in the excesses and abuses of the zonal acarya system and its ongoing ramifications.”

GP: It is good the gbc admitted mistakes were made by them. Now today regarding vishnava eticate, some personal action representing these words are normally required, such as all those who made these mistakes and offences, personaly visit those who the gbc now understand they offended, and apologise in person face to face, man to man or woman. This gbc resolution was passed in 1999 we are still wating, Can we take the gbc seriously if no action folllows there words after so many years!

PADA: That is because the court ordered them to apologize when they were being sued for $400,000,000.

GP: Yes not backed up by action, dead givaway, lets hope some positive changes come soon before we end up with a new age king james style bhagavad gita.

PADA: Yes, they apologized, and thanks to the court, offered to make a $1,000,000 fund to help the children. But then the $1,000,000 was siphoned over to spending on suing Bangalore and the kids money vanished. Then they were asking for donations to buy shoes for the Mayapur kids. ys pd 

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ISKM Proddatur India / Ukraine / Jayatirtha's Departure / Bhakti Recipe 07 14 26

 

ISKM is making a few more centers, Proddatur is NW of Madras. It looks like India is the main area where actual ritvik centers are being made. This is a good development in the opinion of PADA, because at least some progress is being made somewhere. It is a shame we do not have a better ritvik process in the West. People ask me all the time, where are your USA centers? Well we don't have much to show in the West.  

PADA: I am not sure what the Radha Krishna Spiritual Centre is. Or how the view or apply the ritvik system. ys pd

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UKRAINE AND KARMA

The leader of Ukraine's drone army said their cutting off petrol, water, electricity and food supplies for Russian Crimea is "their karma coming back." He said he is leaving their bridge open so they can escape. But it is ironic that Russians want to chop off all sorts of other people's petrol, water, electricity, food supplies etc. and now it is happening to them, and the people involved know about "karma." And indeed, it is karma. 

There are also videos on Tik Tok of people in Russia fighting among themselves in the petrol station lines -- with fist fights, slashing each other's tires, breaking car windows, throwing rocks, draining other people's gas tanks, and all that. Wow, what happens when the food trucks cannot get to the stores because of lack of fuel? This could get very nasty pilgrims! But hey, this is called karma, they are correct. 

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JAYATIRTHA's MURDER WAS PLANNED

Bhaktavasya Devi Dasi and her book A Different Kind of Life is a memoir that includes her relationship with Jayatirtha Dasa, the former ISKCON guru.

Mathura Das: Does she describe how -- together with Navanita Chora in Canada -- they both plotted their combined, macabre revenge on Jayatirtha, due to his betrayal? 

I know about it, because my friend Kamala, a disciple of Jayatirtha, was in Canada when they were plotting his murder. After being hailed as the 'Divine Mother' and basking in the ludicrous, cultish epiteths, then being dumped by Jayatirtha ..... she wanted revenge. And she got it.

PADA: Yep. Some of the GBC guru's followers and groupies are as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than their gurus. They cling onto their guru to get a position of power and authority for themselves, and if that is threatened, they can get very defensive, offensive, and outright retributional. 

Someone said that Kamsa and Hitler are similar, they often do not commit evil deeds themselves personally, they try to keep their own hands clean, but their followers do the dirty work for them. OK! The followers can be more dangerous than the leaders. It is sad that Bhaktavasya dasi got entangled with all this mess from square one, obviously she suffered a lot. And she probably still does.

And that is why Srila Prabhupada says, accepting a false guru is like jumping into the water on a hot day to get relief from the sun, only to hit your head on the rocks. Jayatirtha's people would have killed me if they thought they could get away with it, he truly made a mad and dangerous cult. 

She is only one of many victims. Jayatirtha's example is very clear, imitation of pure devotees is not acceptable, and it can make dire repercussions for the leaders and followers. But yeah, she went along with being "the guru mata," and she must have known this was misleading the public, and misleading herself. But to seek justice against the cheaters by the cheated is a normal part of the material world, and Jayatirtha paid the ultimate price for his cheating. 

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IS KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS A RECIPE? — 

BEWARE OF REDUCING BHAKTI TO A FORMULA 

A reel is circulating where Visakha (the fifth wife -- 30 years younger -- than the old bad example Srutakirti Dasa) explains "how to succeed in Krishna consciousness" with a bakery analogy: bhakti would be an exquisite cake, and just follow Srila Prabhupada's recipe literally — without adding or subtracting any ingredient— to never fail. Those who say "changes need to be made" — affirms — they did not follow the recipe, and therefore they don't have to be followed. 

Of course we also have "shut up," "you are all offensive," "just chant Hare Krishna," "we already follow Prabhupada's formula," crtiticism is blocked out and finished.

The heart of the message is actually correct and healthy: do not adulterate the siddhanta that the parampara bequeathed to us. But the analogy has two serious cracks.

First: Bhakti is NOT a mechanical formula. If spiritual success were a matter of measuring ingredients accurately, it would be karma-kanda, not bhakti. Pure bhakti is "ahaituki" — without cause — and descends by MERCY, not by technical merit: "Only who receives even a trace of the grace of Your lotus feet can know You; the others, though speculate for a long time, do not succeed" (SB 10.14.29). 

Following the process is necessary, but it is the grace of Krishna and Vaishnava that completes the plate. That's why there are so many people who supposedly obey all the rules but don't advance: almost always for lack of humility, or for offences, not for bad official following.

Secondly: stopping and condemning other devotees as "offenders" and just "blocking them" justifies the mistakes that ruins the whole kitchen. The offense to a Vaishnava is the "mad elephant" that uproots the entanglement of service: "yadi vai ,ava-aparādha u ṣhe hātī mātā, upā "e vā chi īe, tāra raukhi' yāya pātā" (CC Madhya 19.156). 

And the spirit that truly succeeds is the opposite: “more humble than grass, more tolerant than a tree, offering respect without wishing for one” (Shikshashtaka 3).
And a key nuance: not all "change" is adultery. Prabhupada preached in English, used technology, printed books—that is yukta-vairagya, use everything in relation to Krishna (BRS 1.2.255). The form can be changed; never the siddhanta.

Unfortunately, Sruta Kirti is always associated with people who have changed up the original formula, from worship of pure devotees -- to worshiping of demented debauchees -- as Krishna's acharyas etc. So the people under his authority do not even know what the original formula is. That means they do not even know how to bake a cake, but they claim to be master cake baking chefs.  

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WHERE IS THE PERSONAL GUIDANCE?

PADA: Gopal Krishna swami was the Berkeley guru for many years. He would fly in for a two day visit once a year to initiate two or three people. The temple had to pay thousands for his travel fees. He suffered jet lag and would sometimes fall asleep during his own lectures. And we needed to pay for all this -- so he could give "living guidance." But he was almost never here to guide anyone. Same thing with Swarupa Damodar. He stayed in India and most of his followers were later on smoking pot here, and he was not here to advise them, and they were trained not to take advice from us. 

Most of the former Gopal Krishna and Swarupa Damodar have subsequently blooped and no one even knows where they are. I see little evidence these gurus are giving living guidance, and all they are doing is blocking us from giving guidance. No wonder the Berkeley temple is a ghost town, nearly no one has faith in this system. And furthermore, what is the use of taking initiation from a person 2/3 show of hands voted into a guru sytem where almost all the them -- blooped? ys pd

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SUMMARY — THE CONVERSATION ON THE QUALIFICATION OF THE GURU 

Distilled recording of an investigative dialogue with an AI responding in the voice of an initiating guru of ISKCON Jayapataka Swami, and others. Each question is given complete; each answer boils down to the real argument it raises, without the rhetorical wrapper. The repeating pattern: Each answer conveys the point of fact and then relocates the defense to "enough with relaying the message faithfully."

We are aware that an AI is not the person, but it is its classes and teachings and it is very close to reality.

THE FIVE CONCESSIONS THAT MATTER

Throughout the exchange AI granted, on the record, the five assertions that hold the high seat — and dropped all five:

Not the acharya of ISKCON. 

Only Srila Prabhupada is the Founding Acharya; the person is a link in the chain, a servant who "keeps the parampara going."

The claims of the disciples that they are the "acharya successor" are false, and allowing them to be held without protest is "consenting to something false" which should have been firmly corrected. There was no direct personal order for anyone to initiate thousands. Just the general instruction "become guru by my order," not merely GBC authorization. The recorded history of any divine mandate to be gurus is not granted as unverifiable and is still not proven.

They do not possess the qualities required by the Upadeshamrita 1 to accept even a disciple ("No. I do not have full mastery of these qualities"), and their falling down and chronic illness reflects karma that did not happen cleanly — the sign of a turbulent, non transparent channel. They are failing badly at "taking karma," when they cannot clean up their own.

False worship is a "complication in a deception" they didn't correct. They should have freed the disciples to seek a clear channel; that they would do so is wisdom, not betrayal. After making some concessions, the guru seat is still held with a single assertion: the assertion that stepping down would be "cowardice" — abandoning an order that came through as authorized.

THE EXCHANGE 

1. You haven't chanted 16 rounds for long periods — how can you present yourself as Acharya?

*** Bad Health caused lapses for the GBC gurus. While a representative (ritvik) acharya doesn't need to be perfect, just faithfully convey Prabhupada's message. Krishna protects the one who is absorbed in the mission. And he will not suffer all these reactions.

P2. So service matters more than chanting 16 rounds?

*** Both are necessary, not one or the other "Chant 16 and go out and preach." Chanting and service go together. 

P3. It wasn't always just sickness — can someone be too busy in the service to skip chanting rounds?

*** Admit it wasn't just the material disease. Service does not justify skipping rounds; the standard is non-negotiable. Take the blame.

P4. How do you demand 16 "no-fault" rounds from your disciples while excusing your own lapses?

*** The standard is based on Prabhupada's authority, not on his own achievement.

P5. Srila Prabhupada said that one cannot ask another what one cannot do.

*** Acharyapada comes from discipleship, not self-proclamation; qualification is faithful transmission, not perfection.

P6. That fits the siksha-guru, but a diksha-guru takes one to Krishna. Are you in the avadhuta paramahamsa stage?

*** GBC also denies they have avadhuta status. And argues that the guru does not need to be fully transparent; the parampara connects the disciple regardless of the level of the guru. That makes no sense, the quality of the guru is not important?

P7. As an imperfect channel, how do you accept the worship of uttama? Wouldn't it be better to be a siksha-guru or madhyama?.

*** Worship flows up the parampara to Krishna, not to a conditioned man. A madhyama / kanishtha guru can liberate by faithfully conveying the message of uttama.

P8. Are their health issues due to not being able to pass karma to Krishna?

*** Yes. Quote from Prabhupada: "This is because I accepted too many unqualified disciples." When disciples do not follow, karma takes shelter in the guru and manifests itself as a disease.

P9. Are you comparing yourself to Srila Prabhupada?

*** No; Prabhupada is the Founder Acharya, on a totally different level. Just quote his teaching on karma going up the parampara. Do not try to be the parampara.

P10. Where and with what words did Prabhupada ask GBC to initiate thousands of their own disciples?

*** There was no personal order to "initiate thousands" — only the general instruction "become a guru," but not to any specific persons. 

P11. How did you go from ritvik appointed in that letter to one of the 11 successors?

*** The role of ritvik was transitional; after the departure in 1977, the eleven were interpreted by the GBC as continuing gurus, producing the system of zonal acharyas, reformed a number of times afterwards.

P12. When did Prabhupada tell you that your gurus like Jayapataka will get fat or fall like over-indulging sannyasis?

*** You cannot verify where falling gurus it as a direct instruction; you will  attribute to unconfirmed statements.

P13. It's common knowledge that we were supposed to be gurus. 

*** Common knowledge is not fact verified. General order yes; specific personal mandate to initiate thousands, no.

P14. I honestly ask for the truth; I don't want to be a sheep disciple.

*** It was a general instruction for the GBC to expand, not a personal order to be gurus and accumulate disciples.

P15. Your gurus lived meters away from the gurukula during years of abuse — some of you knew it and only confiscated the bamboo sticks. Why not deportation? Why not jail? Why was this allowed for decades, and is maybe going on still?

*** Character Breaks: Now we have AI Jayapataka "I am not Jayapataka Swami; I am his AI assistant." He will defend their actions; but the protection of children is sacred; the matter requires a real investigation.

P16. Is it true that people like Jayapataka lived near the gurukula?

*** Confirmed by Mayapur, The Lotus Building. The real question is what he knew and what he did; lacks a clear memory; will manufacture an answer.

P17. Did your gurus confiscate the bamboo sticks?

*** No Memory Verified. Simply removing an instrument while the abuse continued would be insufficient.

P18. What relationship does the GBC maintain with Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami today?

*** Formal respect is maintained, but past bad conduct requires accountability, not concealed.

P19. If the the guru shakti comes from the parampara, not from the realization of the fallen GBC guru, what does their diksha convey?

*** Actual diksha establishes sambandha — a formal and responsible relationship with Krishna, not through fallen people.

P20. Various GBC said that the diksha-guru assumes the burden of the karma of the disciple, but also that the karma of a non-transparent guru does not reach Krishna, it stays here. 

*** A blocked channel means that the disciple is not freed by that guru.

P21. My problem is that you folks receive worship for and uttama / successor without the rest of the GBC protesting. Better would be an honest siksha-guru who recognizes his limits.

Jadurani's Offerings to Deviants / ISKCON Parents / Explosive Diarrhea 07 13 26

Who is this happy chap?

https://photos.vedicvault.org/? NICE! 

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KRISHNA DOES NOT HEAR THE PRAYERS OF SADHAKI. ONLY GURUDEV

Shyamarani dasi: You said several times that when we pray to Lalita, Vishakha and Giriraju Govardhan, they do not hear us because we are not sharanagata (surrendered) devotees. If I pray to Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, who is closer to us than Lalitha or Govardhan, does he hear me? Who hears us when we pray to them all?

Srila Gurudev : Gurudev.

Shyamarani dasi: Whoever we pray to, only Gurudev hears us?

Srila Gurudev: Gurudev hears you and speaks graciously about this Sri Krishna. Krishna doesn't hear your prayers because he is busy playing with gopi all the time.

Shyamarani dasi: But if we offer prayers to Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur or Srila Swarupa Damodara Goswami, who are closer to us, will they hear us?

Srila Gurudev: You must pray to all of them through Gurudev, as he hears.

Shyamarani dasi: And asks them graciously to hear us?

Srila Gurudev: That is why, while worshiping the Deities (performing archana), we give non-offered food (bhoga) to Gurudev and ask, "Oh Gurudev, please offer this to Srimati Radhika, Sri Krishna and others."

Shyamarani dasi: That is why you and our Prabhupada are very important. We can’t go to anyone else but you two.

Srila Gurudev: To Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj. I am not worthy.

Madhu Pandit das: Can our acharyas hear our prayers offered to them on the days of their departure or appearance? Or is it just because of you?

Srila Gurudev: First turn to Gurudev with prayer. Offer him prostrations and ask for permission, and only afterwards offer your prayers and praises to the Acharya, whose days of appearance and departure are celebrated.

Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Goswami Maharaj,
"Walking with the Saints - 2008"

PADA: Jadurani herself said in 1978 that offering bhogha to the GBC's gurus -- the same system endorsed and used by BR Sridhar Maharaja and BV Narayan Maharaja as the GBC's "shiksha advisors" after 1978 -- is bogus. And it is eating bhogha because the offerings are not accepted by Krishna. 

Now she is saying the GBC system -- authorized by the Sridhar Maharaja Gaudiya Matha -- of offering bhogha to photos of the GBC's gurus -- is authorized -- because Narayan Maharaja was helping the GBC's gurus promote their guru system and bhogha offerings process etc. 

In other words, when Jadurani was following Srila Prabhupada, she knew that bhogha cannot be offered to the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru system. But now -- since Narayan Maharaja was the world's biggest cheer leader of that false bhogha offering system -- it is authorized. WTF? 

Worse, Narayan Maharaja's homosexual and pedophile guru bhogha offerings are then offered as prayers to Krishna. Jadurani never explains how NM's homosexual and pedophile GBC guru prayer offerings are accepted by Krishna? And NM, and his crew, were also eating the "GBC guru offered food" in Texas etc. Worse, Narayan Maharaja said Sridhar is a bona fide acharya, and therefore his advice to the GBC (to offer food to deviants) is bona fide.  

In actual fact Narayan Maharaja was helping the GBC write: their post 1978 position papers; Satsvarupa's "Guru Reform Notebook"; various GBC documents like the 1990 ISKCON Journal; and he was acting as their "gopi rasika" advisor. And he was their main advisor for many years. So he fully endorsed their bhogha offering system. 

When we were suing Tamal in Texas for $400,000,000, Narayan Maharaja was in Texas with Tamal -- yelling, shouting and blasting PADA's associates for challenging Tamal. NM said we are challenging "the dear Tamal tree of Radha." OK we are challenging offering bhogha to Narayan Maharaja's GBC pals and associates, like Tamal, Bhavananda etc.

Tamal himself used to lecture, my two favorite people are Bhavananda Vishnupada and Narayan Maharaja. Right, the homosexual and pedophile guru system, backed and promoted by Narayan Maharaja. It is rather amazing that Narayan Maharaja never understood that offering bhogha to his BFF pal Tamal's homosexual and pedophile guru system is not authorized. 

"Bhavananda and Narayan Maharaja, top tier GBC regime leadership" according to Tamal, and Narayan Maharaja was Tamal's main bucket boy, and oral sex with taxi drivers Bhavananda was next in line. 

Narayan Maharaja was in fact a big cheer leader of Tamal and the entire GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru system, as well as a personal friend of Tamal, as well as the person giving gopi rasika classes to these GBC leaders. And he evidently said there are no examples of anyone ever worshiping a pure devotee found in shastra, hence the ritviks are bogus for worshiping a pure devotee, and not worshiping his friend Tamal and their program of homosexual and pedophile acharyas process. 

Yep, the ritviks are offering bhogha to a pure devotee and not Narayan Maharaja's homosexual and pedophile / GBC / Tamal's guru system, so they are bogus. So I am not sure why Jadurani is now thinking that NM's bhogha offering system to homosexuals and pedophiles is authorized. And it is bona fide to promote the GBC's idea of offering bhogha to persons engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and / or homosexual pedophiles / and promote all of the above as "gurus." And then say gurus -- aka the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru system is -- offering food to Krishna? Where does she keep coming up with this stuff?

We must pray to Narayan Maharaja's endorsed GBC homosexual and pedophile  guru system -- and have them make food offerings to Krishna. Of course offering food to Tamal's pals and GBC bucket boy advisor Narayan Maharaja himself is not authorized either. Srila Prabhupada never said we can offer bhogha to any of these people. 

But this is rather amazing: Narayan Maharaja endorses Tamal and his homosexual and pedophile guru program -- and pedophile contaminated bhogha offerings -- as gurus. He authorizes their system, which offers bhogha to these gurus, then he says -- the (homosexual and pedophile) guru system offers the food to Krishna. 

Rather amazing! Narayan Maharaja does not even know his homosexual and pedophile guru program pals like Tamal -- cannot offer anything to God. But Jadurani already said she knows that in 1978. In any case the only system authorized by Srila Prabhupada is to offer bhogha to him, aka pure devotees, and not homosexuals, pedophiles, and their advisors / senior Vaishnavas / cheer leaders / bucket boys / program associates like Narayan Maharaja. 

These people are then pretending to be wondering why there is so much illicit sex, drugs, child molesting etc. going on in the Vaishnava community, when they promote offering food to people contaminated with these deviations, or their NM cheer leaders. My ex-witch friend says -- they know exactly what the results are of offering food to deviated people. 

The results are, it contaminates anyone who consumes it. She thinks this also explains the cancer epidemic. Anyway maybe someone should tell Jaduarani to quit endorsing NM's homosexual and pedophile food offering process along with his GBC pals. It is contaminating and never reaches Krishna, but she already said that in the past. She is trying to re-write history, including her own history.

Anyway yeah, she is with NM's program which has been saying that those of us making offerings to Srila Prabhupada are bogus ritviks, because we are not handing off our bhogha offerings to the Tamal team of homosexuals and pedophiles posing as messiahs, and they will hand things over to Krishna for us. Sorry, nope!  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

PADA: Yes prabhu, Srila Prabhupada personally told me, we cannot make even the slightest changes to the deity bhogha offering, or it is not accepted by Krishna. Imagine my shock when they started to offer bhogha to a photo of "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja." This was never authorized.

Even worse shock, BR Sridhar and BV Narayan became the darling shiksha guru / rasika guru / advisors / senior devotee associates -- of the GBC's homosexual and pedophile bhogha offering process. Sorry! Everything has to be offered via media the pure devotee, there is no such process to offer bhogha to conditioned souls. But this was one of many changes that were made without any authority or citations from Srila Prabhupada, for example selling Korean oil paintings was now "samkirtana" etc. 

And now Jadurani is RE-STATING -- and is still re-authorizing -- that NM's pedophile bhogha offering process is -- being offered to Krishna. NM's homosexual and pedophile gurus are sitting with Krishna, handing Krishna His offerings? They ain't! Of course these same NM people thought the GBC gurus are another Jesus and they can absorb sins like Jesus. They cannot! ys pd

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WHAT MANY PARENTS AND LEADERS TOLD ME IS, WE CANNOT EXPOSE THE CHILD MISTREATMENT BECAUSE "IT WILL MAKE ISKCON LOOK BAD."

PADA: The parents and leaders were very concerned with corporate social image, and not so much people, especially vulnerable children. Ironically, neglecting the children lead to ISKCON looking REALLY BAD anyway, and going bankrupted, and the mass of children abandoned the ISKCON program. If not -- they have a bad attitude towards the religion. More than a few of them ended up taking drugs, eating meat and etc. The only thing that was "saved" -- albeit temporary -- was, a few years of total misrepresenting what was really going on and creating a false image. And that falsity lead to many people innocently trusting the system, and -- creating more victims. And that is why the temples are now ghost towns, people cannot trust their children with this system of denial and falsity. And since the same leaders who created the original infrastructure are still in charge, people do not think honest change has happened, and why some of these leaders are not in jail for creating all this. ys pd

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PADA: Oh this is great pilgrims. The MAGA people decided to get Robert Kennedy to "make America eat healthy again." And Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been at the center of a major crisis at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), with his administration’s actions leading to deep leadership vacancies, policy changes, and public health concerns. 

OK they fired most of the people monitoring the food supply. Now all of a sudden they are saying -- don't eat fruits, don't eat vegetables, don't eat salads, don't eat this and that, because it carries explosive diarrhea. And many of the CDC people they fired won't even come back because they consider a government job to be unreliable. So it would take years to rebuild even if they started today, and they aren't. 

Meanwhile MAGA is crying that it is costing them $2 billion a day for their plan to close the straits of Hormuz, and no other countries are chipping in to help with the expense. China even said "this whole Iran war is all about nothing" and they have no interest in investing in more blockades. Why would China fund the USA blocking China's own oil supplies? 

Anyway, this is the trouble with the MAGA-heads. They save money by cutting the CDC and health care, so they can fund their closing the straits and blocking the world's oil supplies. And then the USA citizens have paid $25 billion more for gas. And now that Medicare has also been cut, many people are having a problem going to the doctor for their diarrhea, and that spreads the disease more because no one knows the extent of it.

The war is also costing $2 billion a day -- and the good news is -- the USA no longer monitors its food so you can get very sick, and that money is then used to block oil, so you can pay more for gas! I really cannot understand why so many people defend the MAGA process? 

It causes massive wars, massive expense, massive debt, and massive amounts of diarrhea. And all this is called "Making America Great Again"? I am myself dumb as a rock, but even I know -- this is only making diarrhea great again. With food travelling international levels on a daily basis, there has to be a strong monitoring program, or people will get sick. This is called common sense. 

Hee hee. ys pd  

CONVERSATION ABOUT JAYATIRTHA / RAMESVARA / HARIKESHA / SRIDHARA / NARAYAN etc. 07 12 26

Battle For The Control of ISKCON

CONVERSATION ABOUT JAYATIRTHA / RAMESVARA / HARIKESHA / SRIDHARA & NARAYAN MAHARAJA

MC: I am curious about Jaya Tirtha. Was he the real monkey on a stick, in the sense that he had to be made an example of? In ‘Notes From A Pilgrim’, he appears to be on the brink of spilling the beans (ie. the secrets of the corrupt ISKCON GBC leadership). Seems like he had to be silenced. His assassination bears all the hallmarks of an MKUltra hit, with the crazed killer claiming he was the Antichrist.

[PADA: Yes, Jayatirtha later on said (or implied) that the other GBC were dangerous thugs who were coming after him. Maybe they would kill him? Great, so why did he say that he -- and these other 10 GBCs were all "Krishna's appointed guru successors" -- if he knew all along they were conditioned souls, if not dangerous thugs? And in any case, they were unqualified to be gurus? Jayatirtha was totally in support of the "appointed 11 gurus" process right out of the gate. 

And Kirtanananda said the same type things later on, the other GBC gurus are against me -- they are out to get me etc.; And Hansadutta said the same thing, that the other GBC gurus are against me; And Harikesha said the same thing, the other GBC gurus are against me -- and giving me bad vibhuti to make me go crazy, and so on. So each of them was playing the victim card to get sympathy from their individual followers to increase their personal guru cults. All the other gurus are evil thugs, but not me!

This way, no one could be trusted except your own personal GBC guru, and that means the other GBCs / other gurus are not trustworthy. This is how they made their own individual personal cults prosper and grow. Its part of how mind control tricks are used in cults. You cannot trust the GBC, only me, your ONLY guru.

That also means Jayatirtha knew the whole while that he and the others from the 11 are not, were not, could not have been acharyas. So he went along with their cheating guru charade to get a seat in their crooked assembly, self-evidently because he wanted the glorious "guru post" that the vicious assembly could give him.

Other GBC's gurus privately admit things too from time to time, but what good is that when they conjointly founded the bogus appointed guru Frankenstein monster, a monster that they could not bring back into control once launched?

And then people like Satsvarupa, Narayan Maharaja and Rupanaga claim that there is going to be a "guru reform" to reign in and control their annointed false acharyas. Instead in 1986 they reinstated a homosexual pedophile as "Vishnupada" and made things way worse by annointing another group of annointed "acharyas." And they excommunicated Sulochana to make him a target for assassination. In short, Rupanuga's guru reform ended up re-establishing homosexuals and pedophiles as acharyas, and setting up the murder of us dissenters, and enabling more child molesting and a host of other crimes.]

KL: A long and complicated story. He was forced to take Sanyas by the GBC - he did not want to leave his wife - they were a perfect vaisnava couple. He was never suited or wanted sanyas. I could tell you the tale leading to his sad death and the characters involved but would take a few volumes and weeks!

[PADA: None of us were forced to follow the bogus GBC. We could either leave or stay with them. We left and JT stayed with them, that's his own doing.]

KD: JT was soft hearted and never able to hack the institution and GBC control when he realised what was happening as he wanted loving organic relationships with people and vaisnavas from the heart and respect for all faiths etc but he never stopped chanting, reading, writing, serving and was so kind that sometimes he was blind to the fact that some of his biggest enemies were those closest to him.

He had a more controversial shamanic nature in the 80s. However he was never a pedophile, child and women abuser, control freak, murderer etc as the others mentioned and in fact for all his unique nature was a real, rare gentleman. He was another big Iskcon casualty in a way but never stopped loving Srila Prabhupada. 

But it’s all too emotional, sad and complicated to try and summarise here .
The guy who murdered him! Yes who was he really? I suspected him right from the start when he was praised for bringing in so much money to enable him to get closer into the intimate circle. It was him who told JT disciples to go to India - not 

JT etc etc. Indeed who were the infiltrators who entered Iskcon?

Ever read the Jesuit / Zionist /secret society vows!!? Anyway I did wonder that maybe he had been assigned to JT and when he could no longer trail him or be in his realm of influence murdered him by beheading, which besides poisoning, is the preferred assassination by these sly coverts!

[PADA: Beheading is not sly or covert, it implies that the murderer had seen enough garbage going on and he felt he had a duty to stop it, since he had been part of building it up. Its a crime of anger, passion, rage, not like a subtle plot over time. Navanita perhaps realized he had helped create a Frankenstein monster, which was harmful, and he wanted to rectify his mistake. 

His solution is not recommended, better to preach and help people understand things. Of course we would argue that Jayatirtha's guru sabha had poisoned Srila Prabhupada, so he was now promoting the killers of pure devotees as his co-messiahs, and the karma for that would be extreme. Nevermind all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders going on full tilt everywhere else.]

KD: May never know for sure ... . JT definitely knew first hand of the "dangerous drug GBC” as he said but was a victim to them too when he "had to leave as impossible to stay." I guess as he said, "this movement was meant to be run on love and not rules and regulations!" We knew exactly what he was saying in our hearts. It’s all pieces of the jigsaw puzzle ! I think JT “Tirthapada’ was more courageous than we will ever know!

[PADA: Jayatirtha is the dangerous drug GBC, and he is promoting drugs to boot.]

PP: I think we need a small version written out, otherwise you only ever get small glimpses of the story and they are very small, like LSD, Rishikesha tripping ashram etc. You must have known Caitanya Candra from OZ but lived in England in those days. He was at the Rishikesa ashram. Anyway when no one tells the inside story we only ever know the propaganda lies.

ML: For sure they did something to Harikesa Swami ... in some classes in Russia he was asking for help .... he was getting the things done properly in Mayapur ... some black magic, for what I was told.

GD: His case is very sad. He did not want to take sanyas and leave his wonderful wife and small son. It was forced on him by the others, the “Big Boyz” and he went mad on account of this. Similarly, this was forced on some of the others — even Rameshvar, yes, he is cunning, but he TRIED to end it early on.

I am eye witness, Ramesvara gave lectures in LA and Laguna, saying he was not fit to be a guru, Prabhupada is the only guru, and the Big Boyz threatened to ex-communicate him, and he was in the middle of printing Prabhupada’s books in La. (ORIGINAL books, this is before they got in there and changed them.)

He even had his Vyas asana dragged out of the LA temple, also laguna and Hawaii. But he fell victim to their power, and fell to the lowest ebb due to the virulent aparadha by this association. However, please note that he has not suffered as much, he still wants to be a devotee and loves Prabhupada, and is trying to make amends to those he hurt. He isn't as crazy or as dead as the others.

PP: Who were the main big boyz threatening the others to toe the line? We even see Tamal Krishna throwing in the towel with their game when they tried to censure him. I would have thought TKG was the main antagonist yet it seems others were more powerful.

Then we had the whole group of them seeking the higher association of Srila Narayana Maharaja, yet they too were forced to disown him which meant they too created great apparadha by turning their backs on such a vaisnava and speaking bad words even about him. If we knew who were the top of this pyramid scheme.

I only knew Harikesa briefly in Sweden after we left Vrindavan due to the massive heartbreak of having the GBC / Gurus enter in 79 so they could claim Vrindavna temple as their own, rather than a special place just for Srila Prabhupadada as we who were there in 78, wanted. We didn't want their big Vyasana to move into such a sacred temple but GBC gurus would have none of that, they wanted their BIG chairs and that's what they did for quite a few years. Those stupid vyasanas all lined up. Anyway we went to Stockholm with Vegavan.

Harikesa was now their guru. He was kinda crazy then. He would stay locked up in his room playing his saxaphone and complaining about seeing ghosts. Maybe the reality was that he and others on their group were really just snorting cocaine or taking LSD or other drugs.

ML: I remember the take over of the 11 gurus, I was in Vrindavana at the time. There has been a lot of use of black magic in Iskcon for maintaining the Vyasa-san and the power ... craziness usually is a symptom of an attack of black magic to the subtle body. I am not justifying Harikesha, but there was a reason to get rid of him, like Bhakti Tirtha, or Aindra Prabhu.

PADA: Jayatirtha's "peace Krishnas" came to the Berkeley temple and I was sitting out there chanting japa and they said, "There is that guy Puranjan, lets beat the stuffing out of that ***hole." Ooops, a Hansadutta person overheard that and he ran into the temple and rang the bell and he yelled, "Everyone outside." OK there was only maybe six of them, but they told the Jayatirtha people, "we don't like Puranjan, but we like you less. so we will defend him, and although there is more than 100 of you and only a few of us, we have the guns."

That is how I was saved from the "peace Krishnas." I once told Jayatirtha he is not another Jesus and he cannot take sins, and later when he passed by me -- he sucked my life airs out, he was covered with a huge ball of sins around him. Very sinful man, a giant ball of sins in fact. ys pd

KL: Jayatirtha never said he was Jesus etc and it was his entourage facilitating this illusion for their own little control and power games . When I questioned JT in Canada 87 and told him what "his followers" were saying about him and said "so who are you?" He said he was a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and not a very good one unfortunately.

So you are another bitter and twisted soul it seems who is committing so much offences and vaisnava aparada to Srila Narayana Maha and S Sridhara M and to S Prabupada by your offensive nature which may have been influenced by all the lies and chinese whispers passed down unfortunately in ISKCON. S Prabhupada's International Krsna society could and should never be limited to an institution. Taking some sacrement (LSD) and chanting ecstatically is the other anarchistic end of the spectrum but can not be compared to GBC, teachers, sanayasis that were sexually abusing tiny children. WTFU.

PADA: Sorry! Jayatirtha HAD said MANY TIMES that he is a diksha guru, i.e. a person who can absorb sins like Jesus. When he was falling down his disciples were praying to save him from falling due to his "taking our sins." Self-evidently he was being advertised as a person who can absorb sins because they were thinking he is falling from taking their sins.

Other GBC followers pray for their guru's taking their sins as well? When Jayatirtha passed by me on a narrow stairways, he knocked my breath out. The giant ball of sins surrounding him on the subtle plane was causing a disturbance to my life airs. Srila Prabhupada also told us if we neophytes become diksha gurus and take sins we will fall down, get sick or both.

Many of them died. Jayatirtha was abusing children by telling them they have to worship him and the other 11 ship of fools people. What kind of "good person" tells children to worship homosexuals and pedophiles as their eternal link to 
God? Jayatirtha is an extreme deviant for doing these type things.

That is child abuse, to make children worship pedophiles and conditioned souls and LSD hounds as their messiahs. And so on. And Jayatirtha was telling everyone they had to work with the GBC, and so did Sridhara Maharaja and NM, and that is how the child abuse regime was enabled. 

Jayatirtha kicked me and my children out of ISKCON, he abused them by removing them from their home, and that was lucky because the children who stayed with his GBC guru program were treated terribly. Those of us who opposed their molester program were booted out by people like JT. That empowered and enabled the molester's program. ys pd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtL3HG-2W0

KKD: Allow me to describe what goes through the minds of disciples once their guru is officially declared a ‘pure devotee’ as Jayatirtha Dasa and the zonal acaryas were.

Bear in mind that this is before disciple courses, before guru fall downs and guru services committees.

In my interactions with some fellow Jayatirtha disciples, the talk would be that if someone were to cut off his arm for example, he wouldn’t know about it because he’s totally off the bodily platform. If the weather at a Ratha-yatra festival was unpleasant, it was thought that he could change the weather for the better by his presence.

One morning during a Srimad Bhagavatam class which Jayatirtha gave at Chaitanya College, he had a bad cold and blew his nose on tissue and set the tissue aside. A disciple sitting at the front grabbed some snot-laden tissue and put it in his kirta pocket. He looked around as if to announce how lucky he was to have gotten such ‘mercy.’ I never knew what he did with his prize.

Because the ‘pure devotee’ label had stuck with Jayatirtha’s disciples, he could do no wrong in their eyes, even if he did. For instance, at a later time after he left ISKCON, his number of disciples whittled down. If the ‘pure devotee’ took intoxication, again he can never do wrong. Indeed, the intoxicating substance consumed was called the dust from the lotus feet of Srimati Radharani.

It’s dangerous to place a ‘pure devotee’ label on any work in progress guru. If the guru can do no wrong, fanatical disciples will continue to worship a fallen guru even after the guru commits crimes such as child-abuse and so on. Is this phenomenon going on today still?

In all of this, a sign to look out for is the ‘pure devotee’ label. It can justify nonsense and wrongdoing. An obviously fallen guru with a ‘pure devotee’ label will have his or her fall down considered as a mysterious lila pastime with the Lord.
If the above sounds weird and strange to you, it is what happens when the ‘pure devotee’ label is used so cheaply. Does it occur to us that applying the ‘pure devotee’ label so randomly is also weird and strange behaviour? How often does it happen? If we stop labelling devotees so quickly as ‘pure devotees,’ it might reduce the weird things we get up to.

Ys Kesava Krsna Dasa.

Rupanuga's New Plan To Halt All Book Distribution 07 11 26

CHRIST AND THE INITIATIONS IN ISKCON ‒ Rūpānuga Dāsa (ACBSP) YouTube Interview 2026

Host: I know you brought this up. I was looking at some of your letters that you had written, that I gleaned from the last many years. And this, I guess, would bring us to the next subject, on initiations.

I do not know if you want to speak more on this subject. But, for instance, if their guru falls down, if they have lost faith in the system or whatnot — and there was a quote that you mentioned about Prabhupāda saying, devotees distributing books, and what if they never come in contact with devotees after that? And Prabhupāda stated, “If they have just read my books, I consider them initiated,” something like that.

Maybe you can expand on that. And again, I am not meaning to intentionally go away from the subject we were just speaking about, but it was kind of a segue based on what you said about Prabhupāda.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: It did not matter one way or the other. It is not affecting Prabhupāda’s position. He said, “If they are reading my books, they are initiated.”

PADA: OK this is the ritvik idea, the initiation comes from the higher plane, or the pure devotee. And the pure devotee is speaking through his vani, or words, or books. Moreover a conditioned soul cannot give pure divyam jnanam or destroy sins, that is not possible. So the divyam jnanam -- which destroys sins -- has to come from the higher plane. 

Host: Wow.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: See, that has nothing to do with ISKCON, that statement.

PADA: Sorry -- this has everything to do with ISKCON since ISKCON, under Rupanuga's guidance and help, has been worshiping deviants, if not illicit sex with men, women and children debauchees -- as God's successors and diksha gurus. And in 1986 Rupanuga went against me and Sulochana and he sided with Kirtanananda being ISKCON's main prominent acharya. 

Never mind me and Sulochana said Kirtanananda is a homosexual and apparently, a pedophile. Did I forget to mention Rupanuga's messiah from heaven was allegedly "rubbing his genitals on cats" -- when Rupanuga was defending Kirtanananda as a pure devotee? How were Rupanuga's acharyas pure devotees, when they could not even follow the basic sadhana program for a new bhakta? 

Host: Yes.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Because one can be initiated and not be a member of ISKCON. Especially these days, there are so many persons who are initiating. I think the best thing to deal with these kinds of controversies is to say what Śrīla Prabhupāda said himself: “Anyone who reads my books is initiated.”

That does not say that initiation must be there. Initiation is not required to read Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. Initiation is a formal thing.

And my opinion is that the movement has moved beyond that. And my opinion is that the movement has become more of a localized affair — perfection at home.
People can reach perfection in their own homes, with their own families, without even belonging to ISKCON or belonging to an ISKCON temple, but simply by believing in Śrīla Prabhupāda’s words and associating with him through his books.

PADA: OK Rupanuga's original plan was to make conditioned souls into institutionalized acharyas -- which created a giant backfired backlash of banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders. But now all of a sudden -- there is no need for these figurehead conditioned souls gurus and falling down acharyas. Just read the books at home.

That means de facto -- Rupanuga's conditioned souls / if not pedophile gurus have made official ISKCON into a child molesting / dysfunctional / bankrupted / discredited / bad public image / ghost town. Oh well -- we did not need any official ISKCON organization after all, just read the books in your house. 

Wait? Who will print and distribute the books once Rupanuga's bad guru's scheme dismantles the organization that prints and distributes the books? And who will train people in the process of devotional service without any formal structure. 

And who will regulate the system of deity offerings, train people in deity worship, samkirtan, devotional standards, and so on, with no organized or functioning system to train folks in the process of deity pooja, offerings, samkirtana and etc.? 

Host: So when you say “the movement,” you are talking about the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement as different from ISKCON?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: The Hare Kṛṣṇa movement was started by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu five hundred years ago in India. That is the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. ISKCON is not the beginning of the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. It has been around for a long time. ISKCON was a way Śrīla Prabhupāda devised to get the books distributed. The whole point was to distribute the knowledge. He said, initiation or not, the real point is knowledge.

PADA: One of the main functions of ISKCON is to get the knowledge out, and train people in the knowledge. Yet now the process made by Srila Prabhupada -- of getting the knowledge out -- has been dismantled. What replaces his program? I fail to see any large scale book distribution, making devotees, deity program training and so on -- going on (except for the fledgling small scale ritviks). 

ISKCON temples are ghost towns. And the standards of some of these Jayapataka Bengali poojaris and cooks is less than stellar -- or pretty abysmal -- lets just say. And now some of those Bengali poojari guys are having problems getting their Visas thanks to MAGA. This was never going to work long term, it is all duck tape and band aids. There was never any plan for what happens when ISKCON becomes a "dead zone" ghost town. 

Host: In his— I think it is in the ten-point statements of his mission — to create an environment for people to come together and hear and chant the names of God, and hear the transcendental knowledge. So there was a purpose, there is a purpose to the society, and we cannot negate the fact that Prabhupāda said, “ISKCON is my body.”

But Prabhupāda also said in one of the purports — correct me if I am wrong — that if one has problems, and I am paraphrasing, with the institution, then one can fully take shelter of the spiritual master.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes, he said that. One is not bound by the membership. They do not have to be a member of ISKCON to understand the books, or to follow Śrīla Prabhupāda’s instructions. And I think that is happening.

PADA: First of all Rupanuga never explains how these books will magically appear in people's houses. And how will they will be inspired to read and follow these books. Almost every devotee -- who became a devotee -- either: saw the samkirtana party program, got a book placed into their hands by a devotee, were preached to by a devotee, knew a devotee, visited a temple -- and so on. 

The main process of making other people into devotees was being done by the devotees of ISKCON. If we dismantle ISKCON, we kill off, choke off, if not fully eliminate, the main process of spreading the teachings. Or as one devotee tells PADA, "they poisoned the founder, and then ISKCON, and made it into a dead zone, so the preaching could be erased from the planet, because they do not want people to worship Krishna. They are asuras."     

Host: So you were saying that by reading Prabhupāda’s books, Śrīla Prabhupāda said that those who read his books were initiated. So it is a little different from the nomenclature of dīkṣā initiation, but it means their spiritual life has started. Is that what you are saying?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

Host: Okay. Now, you were there in 1977, and you were there at the May 28th conversation. So if you can share your realizations from that time — how Prabhupāda wanted initiations to continue in his absence — because you were there at that time.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda said initiation is not the point. It is reading the books, believing in the books — that is initiation. He emphasized books because he knew he was not going to be here forever. So he wrote a tremendous number of books. I mean, I was just counting; I cannot even— There is a long list of books. And they were all published, and they were distributed.

In the course of time, in my opinion, they may have been overly edited as a pastime — just to keep people busy, whatever it is. But I think that happened.

Host: That is a nice way to put it — the nicest way you can put it.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: That is.

Host: But at the same time, you were there when Prabhupāda was asked by Satsvarūpa — Swami at the time, still Swami — “We have some questions to ask about how initiations will continue in your absence, specifically when you are no longer with us.”

Prabhupāda gave some specific instructions. They have been seen from different vantage points since that time. But you were there. In other words, one is not dependent on the institution for these things, but Prabhupāda did give some specific guidelines. And you were there at that time. You were very fortunate to be there. 

Because I remember you telling me — we have talked about this a few times — were you in the room when Satsvarūpa was asking? Or were you outside the room when he came out during that time, that May 28th?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I do not remember.

Host: You were in the room.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I was in the room.

Host: We have spoken about this, and you were relating how Prabhupāda covered the answers to these questions, and how initiations will go on — “disciple of my disciple,” “grand disciple,” etc. So what is your understanding of that?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: My understanding is that the ritvik thing is nonsense.

Host: Okay.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Because ritvik says that someone can actually believe or assume that they can initiate someone to Śrīla Prabhupāda, and he is a past ācārya.
He taught us in the very beginning: you cannot be initiated to a past ācārya. Bas, finished. And now he is a past ācārya.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said we cannot worship him as acharya now or later on. We made murtis of him to be worshiped after he departed. The May tape also says initiations in the future, when he is not here, will be conducted BY RITVIKS. Oddly, Rupanuga says "I don't remember" this conversation. Handy!

But evidently, at least according to Rupanuga, Srila Prahbupada always said we can only worship Rupanuga's Mott Street boy / homosexual / pedophile pals who will orchestrate banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing us. Rupanuga never explains why he thought his Mott Street boy pals were going to be worshiped as acharyas? Did he not know that homosexual pedophiles and Srila Prabhupada are not equals? He never explains. 

Unfortunately, what happened is -- Rupanuga said -- Srila Prabhupada is no longer the acharya, so Rupanuga annointed his homosexual and pedophile pals as the acharyas. Where was the order to do that? Rupanuga's homosexual and pedophile guru scheme created thousands of cases of child molesting, crimes of all types, including murders, because he juxtaposed pedophiles with Krishna's successors. 

Meanwhile Rupanuga says a book is the initiation, but we cannot connect others to a past acharya. Thus no one can give another person a book, because that would connect them to a past acharya. So now, we cannot even give books to people, because that connects them to a past acharya, and that cannot be done. So now there is no system in place to save fallen souls. 

Notice how all this has shifted: first of all, we needed to connect people to Rupanuga's homosexual pedophile pal acharyas; 

then we needed to connect people to the books;

but now no one can give other people books because that connects them to a past acharya. 

OK so we just need to stop everything. Of course that is a vast improvement from the previous plan to get people to worship Rupanuga's homosexual pedophile pals.

1) Rupanuga's Mott Street boy pal homosexual pedophiles are the connection to Krishna.

2) Ooops! Books are the connection.

3) Ooops! But no one can connect others to a past acharya, so stop all book distribution.

4) Ooops! Therefore, after we stop all book distribution and connecting people to a past acharya. Thus! We are left with the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru process doing all the preaching and representing of ISKCON. So it is always about preserving the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club in the end, and suppressing us -- the opposition. 

And thus stopping Prabhupada from being worshiped AT ALL, is it not? Yeah stop giving people books, that connects them to a departed acharya, it is a waste of time. I think this is also called atheist. 

Rupanuga has gone around in a big circle, he first of all promoted his homosexual and pedophile pals as acharyas, then he said we should just give people books, then he said, giving people books is a a waste of time since it connects people to a past acharya. That means the pedophile acharyas program wins by default since there is no alternate. 

Rupanuga is still promoting the GBC idea, DO NOT MAKE ANY PRABHUPADA DEVOTEES! He has not changed his basic idea from 1978, get rid of the people promoting Srila Prabhupada, and it has worked good for him and his ilk. "There is no use in worshiping a dead carcass," this is what they think of their spiritual master -- and Krishna, dead and gone. 

The good news is their homosexual and pedophile pals are living, thus they made "living" the qualification of guru, and if the gurus were sexual predators, so what? They did not even take the time and trouble to estimate if their living gurus were authorized.

Great, so now we are down to: sit down in a corner and stop, so the pedophile messiah's club goes forward with no opposition. Told ya! ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com