Harikesh / MEGALOMANIA / Stri Dharma / Hindu-ized ISKCON 05 09 26

 

HARIKESH AND CHILDREN

PADA: Yes, when Harikesh left he evidently said the reason is -- there is too much widespread child mistreatment all over the society. Yep, exactly the reason why his program booted me out in 1979. I said there is widespread child mistreatment. 

He also knew we were getting booted, and he was booting dozens of people himself. And he later must have knew that was why me and Sulochana were targets in 1984. We said -- there is widespread child mistreatment. He never supported us or acknowledged us ever, even now. If there is widespread child mistreatment going on, and we are reporting it for decades, his job as a leader is to support us whistle blowers. He never did. Probably, never will. 

All kinds of people tell me this all the time, "once we realized how corrupt it was, and that the leaders are mostly adharma and asura (and pro-homosexual and pedophile) we left." Oh great, so you left the ISKCON society and its women, children, elders and cows in the hands of the adharma and asura crowd. Thanks a lot buster!

 

ys pd

ZN: Interesting it reminds me on case Epstein files ... something going on the level of "deep state" against humanity on this planet .. many leaders were influenced.

MEGALOMANIA

As Dr. J. Stilson Judah explained to me, a person who believes he is God's living successor on earth is something like a delusional megalomaniac. He is not a person who can be given good advice, bad advice, or any advice, he believes he is beyond all of the rules and regulations of us minor peon mortals. And that places us minor peon mortals in a lot of peril. And this type of peril can be fatal. And he said in my case -- it probably will be fatal. He did not expect me to survive and wanted me to go into Federal witness protection.

Megalomania consistently refers to: A delusional belief in one’s own power, importance, or greatness; An unnaturally strong desire for power and control; A psychopathological condition involving fantasies of wealth, omnipotence, or grandeur; A mental illness marked by an inflated sense of self‑importance; A belief that one is more powerful or important than reality supports; All sources agree on the core idea: grandiosity, power‑obsession, and inflated self‑importance. He said, they are not going to listen to the admonishing of others, thinking the peons have no authority over God's spokesman. These type people are not going to listen as a general principle. Hansadutta told me that too, Why would God's spokesman need anyone's advice at all? ys pd

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KAUNTEYA ON STRI DHARMA

Don’t Use "Dharma" to Excuse Abuse

Another devotee objected to my emphasis on the dharma of the husband to protect the wife:

“The concept of dharma is independent of the external conditions. If you protect dharma, dharma protects you … This is the Vedic idea, not protectorate calculation and victimism. This is the ontology (as it is) principle of dharma, that is a high ideal.”

On the social level, the “Vedic idea” is exactly what this devotee disdains as “protectorate calculation.” Srila Prabhupada explains (SB 1.14.41, purport):
“The brāhmaṇas, who are always engaged in researching knowledge for the society's welfare work, both materially and spiritually, deserve the protection of the king in all respects. Similarly, the children of the state, the cow, the diseased person, the woman and the old man specifically require the protection of the state or a kṣatriya king. If such living beings do not get protection by the kṣatriya, or the royal order, or by the state, it is certainly shameful for the kṣatriya or the state.”

A husband’s dharma, a king’s dharma, a parent’s dharma, and a community’s dharma cannot be erased by telling vulnerable people to simply perform their own duties better.

A balanced dharmic understanding would say: dharma protects — but dharma also includes the protector’s duty to protect.

I do not reject the principle “dharma protects.”

I reject its selective, one-sided application.

Karma is real, and personal responsibility is real. But “victim-responsibilizing dharma” becomes problematic when the doctrine of karma is used to minimize, excuse, or bypass the moral responsibility of others. In dharmic thought, multiple truths operate simultaneously.

A person may be experiencing karmic reactions, yet another person can still be acting adharmically toward them. The existence of karma does not erase accountability. Each of us has the responsibility to see our suffering as the consequence of our action, but this doesn’t excuse the perpetrators of abuse.

That devotee continued his critique:

“Sooner or later our bhakti is tested through dharmic adherence, when we need to decide, whether saranagati is a calculative business transaction or unconditional surrender. The test is than repeated life after life, until we fully understand that bhakti behind dharma gives higher platform beyond protection, justice, truth and similar externalities.”

Individually, yes, we should all cultivate the spirit of acceptance of our personal predicament as a result of our past choices and not be diverted or distracted from our bhakti progress – I agree.

But a community that depreciates and delegitimizes “protection, justice, truth and similar externalities” can turn into a jungle of selfish beasts.

PADA: "Can turn into a jungle of selfish beasts." Wowsers. Could not have said it better myself. ys pd

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HINDU-IZED ISKCON

S Devidasi

With respect, I think the issue depends on whether we are speaking academically, culturally, or according to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s own presentation. Academically, ISKCON is often placed within the wider Hindu/Vaishnava family because it follows Gaudiya Vaishnavism and accepts the Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Vedic scriptures.

However, Śrīla Prabhupāda himself was very clear that he did not want Krishna consciousness reduced to the label “Hinduism”. He said: “This word Hindu is not a Sanskrit word… the real cultural institution is called varnasrama.”

He also said of the Krishna consciousness movement: “It is not Indian or Hinduism. It is for all the people of the world.”

In another conversation he explained that when devotees say “we are not Hindu,” the meaning is not hostility towards Hindus, but that Krishna is not restricted to one community. He said: “We are not restricted to the Hindus… We actually spreading universal brotherhood.” He also said, “Hindus are included but Kṛṣṇa is not restricted to Hindus.”

So my understanding is: ISKCON is rooted in Gaudiya Vaishnavism, which many people classify under Hinduism, but Prabhupāda’s own emphasis was that Krishna consciousness is universal, non-sectarian, and not limited to the social, ethnic, or modern religious label “Hindu.” Therefore, saying “ISKCON is Hinduism” is too simplistic. A more accurate statement would be: ISKCON is a Gaudiya Vaishnava movement presenting Krishna bhakti as universal sanātana-dharma.

References:

“This word Hindu is not a Sanskrit word…”

Śrīla Prabhupāda explains that “Hindu” is not originally a Sanskrit term and that the real system is varṇāśrama.

Link: https://prabhupadabooks.com/ssr/6/spiritual_communism

Source confirms the wording: “This word Hindu is not a Sanskrit word…”

“It is not Indian or Hinduism. It is for all the people of the world.”

This is from a 1969 conversation with John Lennon, Yoko Ono and George Harrison.

Link: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1969/aug/with_john_lennon_yoko_ono_and_george_harrison/london/september/11/1969

“We are not Hindu means… we are not restricted to the Hindus.”

This page is very useful because it gathers Prabhupāda quotes explaining that Krishna consciousness is universal, not limited to the Hindu community.

Link: https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/We_are_not_Hindu_means

It includes the quote: “Hindus are included but Kṛṣṇa is not restricted to Hindus.”


T Krishna: Bhavananda the Beast, who rapes children, is the demon who has been leading that TOVP project. So isn't it interesting that he has used the same dome architecture as the Vatican? They have hijacked the movement and turned it into something like the Catholic Church.

AT: Yes, yes Srila Prabhupada said you will not find the word anywhere in any vedic scriptures anywhere, all man made concoction, But Srila Prabhupada that we should never leave iskcon, Srila said as the saying England with all your faults I love you still, that should be our motto, " iskcon with all your faults I love you still,

Hare Krishna prabhu

TK: Did he actually say that though? Take a look at this interesting book change in that regard...

ORIGINAL 1975 PURPORT EXTRACT FROM CC MADHYA 19.157:

“If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master.”

CHANGED 1996 VERSION WITH JAYADVAITA'S ADDITIONAL STATEMENT:

"Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master."

YD: ... and Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita As It Is 18.66. ...

ED: Hindu is a broad Kali Yuga term used by the masses to loosely identify Sanatana dharma and the family tree stemming from Sri Krishna, Vishnu, Brahma, Siva. If we want to be accurate in describing something we love and adore. We use the best description possible.

Srila Gurudeva has mentioned in audio recordings that the term isn’t in sastra and is ambiguous. But he also uses the term to refer to the broad following of Sanatana Dharma and give his listeners context, because that’s all they know, how else would He logically describe something?. It doesn’t matter if individuals want to use it or identify with it.

It’s just not the best way to describe Krishna consciousness. And as for Vaishnava devotees using the term officially for their organisations, I would think is a symptom of Kali Yuga and not the best practice. And I assume it will only be popular amongst neophyte groups.

I hope this comment doesn’t offend anyone.

Om Tat Sat

H Das: "And so far we are concerned, Hindus, or the followers of the Vedic religion, there is no difference of opinion so far Kṛṣṇa's authority is concerned. There are five authorities, recognized authorities, in India so far this is..., spiritual life is concerned. One of them is Śrī Rāmānujācārya and other is Śaṅkarācārya." [Lecture on Maha-mantra -- New York, September 8, 1966]

D Dasa: I think that a bunch of things get mixed up together….. Philosophical pedantism. It was a consistent teaching of Prabhupada’s that Krishna consciousness is beyond upadhis like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism…

But there were instances where he said such things as:

“The Krishna consciousness movement is the genuine Hindu movement.”

Letter to Janardana

December 26, 1968

“This Krishna consciousness movement is actually the genuine Hindu culture.”

Letter to Gurudasa

August 3, 1969

“So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a cultural movement for reviving the original consciousness of the living entity. It is not a sectarian religious faith, although it is based on the highest principles of Hindu religion.”

Lecture on Bhagavad-gita As It Is 4.1

March 27, 1974

It is not OBJECTIONABLE philosophically to accept that we are typically classified thus. It’s label/category that people understand rather than our trying to convey - well we are actually in this obscure branch of Vaisnavism…..

Akhandadhi and co leveraged the “if you want to shut down Bhaktivedanta Manor, then you’ll have to deal with the UK’s entire Hindu population” tactic was helpful in the campaign to keep the Manor open.

Of course, many would observe that the Manor’s entire “personality” has changed from the nature it had in its first 10 years of operation or so to what it is now.

Beyond the philosophical pedantism, there may well be an identity issue….. “I don’t want to be seen as a Hindu”…..

And the legitimate concern that the concentrations of Indians attending temple possibly deters Westerners from engaging…..

These all need separating out. And people also need to reckon within themselves as to whether their discomfort with that highly generalise label has more to do with a low impression of “Hinduism” or not…..

Another worry could be that some temples might be introducing non Gaudiya forms of worship that Prabhupada wouldn’t approve of.

(NB. I asked Chat GPT to source those quotes so I will quickly check their veracity)

H Das: "According to Vedic civilization, cow is to be given all protection. The Hindus or followers of the Vedic religion, why they are interested to give protection to the cows, not to the..., not so much to the other animals?" [Sunday Feast Lecture -- Atlanta, March 2, 1975]

"Prabhupāda: So far Hindu religion is concerned, it is a very broad thinking. The Hindu religion, Vedic religion, is divided into two kinds of philosophers. One kinds of philosopher is the impersonalist. They take the Absolute Truth as impersonal, all-pervading impersonal. And the another philosophers, they take that the Supreme Absolute Truth is person. The impersonal feature is one of the features of that person, but ultimately he is person. So without person there cannot be any question of love." [Interview -- September 24, 1968, Seattle]

I dont know we are making a big deal about the word Hindu. We need to understand that the vedic religion is today known as Hinduism. Within Hinduism there are vaisnavas, sakta's, mayavadis etc. Sanatana Dharma and Hinduism are interchangeable today. The other Vaishnava sampradaya’s have no issues using the word Hindu, then why do we have issues. If one does not like it then dont use it, but let's not create unnecessary discussion on this. Tbh we are not these bodies, but yet we associate ourselves as male, female, American Indian etc. Spiritually we are spirit soul, but yet we associate ourselves with something.

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Using Krishna for Making Money 05 08 26

 

Using Krishna for Making Money

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi : It is heartbreaking to see what is happening at ISKCON Adelaide. Temple festivals and sacred yajnas are not meant to become business transactions. Bhakti is not for sale. Mantras are not for sale. The blessings of Lord Nrsimhadeva are not for sale.

Last year, devotees were told they could “secure blessings” for their family by paying a mandatory participation fee to sit at the yajna and receive a Nrsmha Mantra. This year, again, a mandatory $61 fee is being required for participation in the Nrsimha Yajna for up to 4 family members.

Since when did attending yajna become ticketed entry? Srila Prabhupada warned against karma-kanda mentality and turning devotional life into a paid ritual service. Sponsorship is one thing, but charging devotees mandatory fees just to participate in worship is another.

Even free prasadam plates is being replaced by food stalls selling food, some not even offered to the Deities, instead of freely distributing Krishna prasadam. A temple should be focused on making devotees, not making money. Krishna consciousness should never be commercialised.

Radha Kanta Dasi Tkg: Happening now in most temples ... no surprise here.

Rādhā Śyāmasundara Dāsa: Hare Krsna dear Mataji, thats true in a sense, although I guess a minimum is required else people tend to only give a couple of coins. If money is going for temple maintenance and care then it's ok I think, its gratitude to the Lord and devotees for the blessings and service.

It costs a lot to maintain temple and have free prasadam distribution so sometimes paid events like stalls help that. Give and take type thing as long as it doesn't become the focus.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Rādhā Śyāmasundara Dāsa I hear you, and know how much the bills are, coz hey everyone has bills that live in the material world. But the interesting thing about the new management here is that the only focus is money and not bhakti.

Rādhā Śyāmasundara Dāsa: Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi Jaya Gauranga! Yeah that would be too much when that becomes the focus. Visitors would pick that up and feel less inclined to come or participate.

Eliza Ba Than: I was facilitating a namahutta centre in Townsville every Saturday for 13 years. During that time, I have not asked a cent of donations from the congregation. Instead, I set up a charity that raises funds at the same time, giving clarity to the homeless. My own funds support my weekly Prasadam and that was provided for free to attendees numbers varying from 10 to 30. 

I also hosted Janamashtami and Rath Yatra and cooked for 100 or more people. On going members bring a plate on Saturdays and festivals were funded by me. On the other hand, in another nearby town a program started running on festivals and Prasadam was to be purchased by the host. This clearly shows the lack of foresight by the temple in raising funds for Prasadam and exploitative activities such as yajna fees, against our temple principles set by Srila Prabhupada. 

In the name of a temple, money is made. There should be other ways to raise funds like running the restaurant properly, and temple shop, books etc instead of exploiting the secred mantras . What a shame! But not a surprise.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Eliza Ba Than Srila Prabhupada established protocols for the preaching and temples and primarly the approach has been around the vaisnava principle of krpalu (mercy), and not that of the opposite trait of krpana or miserliness. 

What you have described in your preaching and approach is the Iskcon approach that those of us who joined decades ago are used to. Having congregation offer up donations or suggesting donations has always been around, but never mandatory for attending the temple. In this centre, the Deities are monetised. They have Jaganatha Baladeva and Subhadra Deities, who are kept in a cupboard upstairs for the whole year, in the dark, then brought out and placed before the community in the temple room to be given worship for a day, a Panihati festival on the first day of the year. 

Then they are put back in the cupboard for the remainder of the year. This year, the new management asked everyone to give money for them, and they left a donation box in front of them. Then they just left these Deities sitting there for a few days, with the donation box, to encourage people to give more money. The Deities, were not worshiped, not given water, bhoga or re-dressed during this time, they were only there to attract donations into the hundi. 

Then they went back into the cupboard where they are right now, locked up, gathering dust or covered with no air. This Nrsmha Caturdasi they will bring out of the cupboard an Ugra Nrsmha for the same purpose. There is no love, no Bhakti, no understanding and no consciousness as to who Krishna is, who is the Guru and what does the Guru want us to do. Spiritual life is a razors edge. Walk with the required balance and you dont get cut. Walk with the balance and it all goes wrong.

Eliza Ba Than: Jaya Sacinatha Dasa Absolutely ... but we must do karma yoga. Not enterprising as a business in temple to maintain it.

Jaya Sacinatha Dasa: I know.

Amogh Ananta Virya Mogre: Preposterous. Is the temple going broke??

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Amogh Ananta Virya Mogre apparently no. Just monetising Krishna and using him as a cash cow.

Syamapriya Dasi: Viewing or observing a yagna has the same potency of actually participating in a yagya. Also mentally being present in a yagya has the same benefit if one cannot be present. I know this based on personal experience when I have not been able to be present at iskcon sydney yagyas, abhishekhs and other events. 

I was instructed to mentally make my offerings and I really received the reciprocation from the residing deities. So Adelaide devotees should use their intelligence when it comes to money/donations/ reasons, their own capacity. This is my two cents worth of comment. 

Lord Krishna really burnt the fingers of a Brahmin. The Brahmin was just imagining offering hot kheer. When the worried Brahmin imagined dipping his own fingers in the kheer to check the temperature in case he burnt the Lord... He really did burn his fingers. Such is true bhakti. Just don't pay if you cannot for reasons wrong or right.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Syamapriya Dasi 100 percent agree. Srila Prabhupada established the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, not the International Society for Money Consciousness. Bhakti is heartfelt and not about the bank balance. Ordinary donations for Temples is one thing, but restricting entrance based on a payment is completely bogus.

Syamapriya Dasi: Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi yes, ISKCON was established for bhakti. Temple was built to facilitate Bhakti. It is for harinaam Sankirtan yagya. It is for Krishna Consciousness which is the way back to Godhead and ISKCON temples are meant for this reason. In service of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission, for Srila Prabhupada. 

So, all temples management need to be like minded, otherwise the efforts of Srila Prabhupada are not met. Not paying this donation will still be fine if bhakti is there, that was my point actually. Bhakti will not diminish. Although management should make the effort to be right by Srila Prabhupada. There has never been entrance fees charged to enter ISKCON temple or to enter a yagya for observation.

Krsnangi Mulder: The sad part of these types of initiatives that are more and more creeping in, is that also they start to create disparity, inequality between groups of people of different economical status, rather than equal access for all to spiritual bhakti nourishment. There are examples of this already with access to participate and spend time at the Iskcon farm communities or retreats. 

It is great that there are now guest facilities and the funds raised for overnight or weekly stays support the running costs of the farms which can be extensive to maintain. The amounts charged though do restrict access for those of lower incomes to visit, to be spiritually uplifted, to engage in service, for association.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Krsnangi Mulder yes I agree with your points. Temples do cost to run, and it is expected that donations are required to keep everything afloat, yet the approach in this temple is completely out of balance. I see the development of the 'economy of bhakti', has arisen through these schemes that place a price on bhakti and access to the standard Temple environment and programs on offer. It does create a divide, the haves and the have nots'. 

A class or caste system of sorts. Interestingly enough here, if you dont drive a Mercedes, are not of wealth, or closely aligned with a person who has these, then you dont get access. This is not the mood that Srila Prabhupada wanted from the spiritual embassy temples of ISKCON, especially in the West. Economic bhakti looks more like karma kanda than Bhakti, and every morning we recite that it is an offence "To consider the chanting of Hare Krishna as one of the auspicious ritualistic activities which are offered in the Vedas as frutive activities (Karma kanda)". 

Surely an overt dollar value assigned to worship, sadhana or temple access and kirtan, has to fall into the same offence range. It is important for properly trained leaders to be placed running temples to ensure that the temple practices like these dont become materially based or that bit by bit it starts to look like an ordinary business venture.

Serguei Levykin: Krsnangi Mulder -- we haven't visited New Govardhana in years because it ends up as a very costly holiday for a family of four. Many other families have just quit going to ISKCON. This will decrease the attendance.

Syamapriya Dasi: Krsnangi Mulder I was being forced to "sponsor" my own birthday so they can celebrate in ISKCON Sydney. Even when I told them "it is not my birthday ". I was still being pushed to book it on my birthday! This is the same temple which has tried to remove me from ISKCON permanently. Not sure how exactly they would feel joyous on my birthday? They were so happy to see me go. O Krishna. 

BB: Yes they remove people all the time, especially the "non-paying".

Krsnangi Mulder: am sorry to hear that you have had this experience.

Luke Hedley: Lead a Coup! You were a Wonderful TP in my memory of my time there ... despite my crashing and burning you were always available for me dear Visnupriya ... Keep up the resistance Lovely One. Hare Krsna!

Narada Muni: It is concerning to see this trend becoming normal in many temples. Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada repeatedly warned us not to turn devotional life into karma-kanda or paid ritualistic activity. Bhakti is not something that can be purchased, and the mercy of the Lord is never dependent on money.

At the same time, he encouraged voluntary donations and service to support the temple - not mandatory fees for participation in worship.

Yajna, mantra, and prasadam are meant to be freely accessible as Krishna’s mercy. When the mood shifts from offering to transaction, we should carefully reflect on whether we are preserving the true spirit of Krishna consciousness.

Bharat Devnani: Do they accept crypto currency? I don't use cash, only bitcoin ...

BB: ISKCON will become a crypto currency religion soon enough ...

Ratna Prabha: I wanted to go to a fire yajns recently but couldn’t afford the fee for one.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Ratna Prabha this is just atrocious. How can there be justification for stopping Iskcon devotees from practising their Guru given right to attend temple services. I am so sorry you had to experience that. This is what I mean by the ‘economy of Bhakti’.

Ratna Prabha: I agree, it is sad.

BB: Kali Yuga resides in gold (money).

Tedi Davis: So who is responsible? Or is it "the anonymous committee"?

Syamapriya Dasi: At no stage has Lord Krishna asked for money!

May be an image of text that says 'The Stages of Bhakti (devotion) leading to pure love of Lord Krishna 9. Prema Pure Love for Krishna 8. Bhava Spiritual Emotions 7. Asakti Deep Attachment 6. Ruci Taste for Devotion 5. Nistha Steadiness K 4. Anartha- Anartha-nivrrtti nivrrtti Clearing Bad Habits 3. Bhajan-kriya ๑83 Practise of Devotion 2. Sädhu-sanga Sadhu- Association with Saints 1. 1.Shraddha Faith'

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Pavan Nitai Chandra Das Ugh.... so Lord Nrsmhadeva only giving blessings to financial participants in the Dham! Kali Yuga creeping in.

Rama Dasa: Long, long gone are the days when we would skrimp and save during the week so that a plentiful, scrumptious Sunday feast would be provided for the guests. The idea was to make people aware of Krishna consciousness, not solely to increase the bank balance.

Visnupriya Karunamayi Devi Dasi: Rama Dasa exactly. Preaching is the essence, Utility the Principle, Books are the Basis and Purity is the Force. Nothing there about the bank balance being the principle.

Sankirtana Devi Dasi: San Diego did the same for the 6 years I lived in the area (2017-2022). Only “Donors” could take part. Not just certain festivals, every festival. We were allowed to bathe Srila Prabhupada during Vyasa Puja festival, however.

Jaya Sacinatha Dasa: I know. I was very surprised at the system, as I’d lived in multiple temples over the previous 4 decades.

Book Changes / RITVIK AND GBC ARE THE SAME? / Sajjana Health 05 07 26

PADA: Yeesh prabhus, someone asked PADA, it seems like being in Maya is a whole lot easier than not being in Maya. Why is that? Well yup, that is the whole trouble isn't it! But I love the graphics in this video, it is very nicely done IMHO. 

ys pd 

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BOOK CHANGES: AJAMILA DASA ACBS

This amazing quote on NOT CHANGING Srila Prabhupada's books was shared by Candra Vilasini Dasi: The essential point by Srila Prabhupada:

"But if you add with it several grains of sand, it becomes useless. You can add it, simply a few grains of sand---then it is useless. Similarly, these rascaldom of commentary, a few grains of sand, we spoil Bhagavad-gītā."

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa says in the Seventh Chapter, in the beginning. So everything is there. If we actually want to make our life perfect, the directions are already there in our... We have got the Vedic knowledge, treasure house of spiritual knowledge, and the Bhagavad-gītā is the gist, is the summary. Gītopaniṣad. It is called Upaniṣad. 

If you simply study Bhagavad-gītā as it is, without foolishly interpreting it... That will spoil. Don't interpret. Just like you have given paramānna, or kṣīra. Everyone knows what is kṣīra, milk and rice cooked together with sugar, very nice foodstuff. But if you add with it several grains of sand, it becomes useless. 

You can add it, simply a few grains of sand---then it is useless. Similarly, these rascaldom of commentary, a few grains of sand, we spoil Bhagavad-gītā.
>>> Ref. VedaBase =>Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.2.9–10--November 14th 1973，Delhi

-----Guru Maharaja, I just watched Śrīla Prabhupāda's SB lectures, so those who read the altered books have more or less a distorted and off-topic understanding of philosophy. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

PADA: Ajamila Dasa says -- PADA is making offenses to great preachers like Jayapataka. OK JPS is the ring leader of the book changes and child molesting Auschwitz for kids sampradaya. We cannot be -- for -- the same people we are against. That is why things are not getting done. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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RITVIK AND GBC ARE THE SAME?

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims. I just listened for awhile (you can get the English sub titles). He seems to be saying the ritviks (worshiping the pure devotee) and the non-ritviks (GBC's homosexual, pedophile and Auschwitz for kids messiahs club) are BOTH following the same process. So they should all get along. 

OK shastra says, the worship of pure devotees takes a person to Vaikuntha, while the worshipers of an illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's parampara, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas -- goes to patala loka, where people will be born as snakes and ants etc. I am not sure why people cannot understand that there is a difference between God, heaven, and Satan and hell? They are not contained in the same process. 

We should be happy within ourselves and promote our own organizations and not disturb the others. I am all for it. As soon as the GBC's banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and death threats process ends, we will have no need to protest or address them. 

We also do not protest the followers of many other bogus India gurus either, because they and their followers are not constantly attacking Vaishnavas. Their programs are more or less neutral to us and do not warrant us to consider their projects as a threat. But this seems to go on a lot with these India folks, worship of the pure devotee and the debauchee devotee sampradayas are one and the same. Nope! ys pd 

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Sajjana Maharaja

Respected Maharajas, Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis,

Please accept our humble pranam. All glories to Srila Gurudeva, Srila Prabhupada, and our illustrious guru-varga.

In accordance with Sripada Swami Bhaktivedanta Sajjana’s wishes and blessings, we are sharing this health update on his behalf.

Very recently, just over two weeks ago, Sripada Sajjana Mahārāja was diagnosed with advanced liver cancer. After a series of tests it became undeniably clear that he is nearing the final stage of his time in this world.

By the mercy of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gurudeva, Maharaja has resided in Sri Vraja-dhama for some years, and also by their mercy, he has decided to spend his remaining days in Vṛndāvana, taking the shelter of the Vrajavasis’ and Vrindavan-dhama’s affectionate embrace and preparing for his onward journey. His decision has been made with full awareness of his situation and with a deep determination.

He specifically asked for this news be shared with you all, but more than anything, he is asking for the sincere and affectionate prayers of the Vaiṣṇava community. He is deeply grateful for each and every prayer made and for the outpouring of love and concern from devotees.

At the same time, however, he is not in a condition to receive many messages or calls. Nor is he up to talking much or receiving many visitors at once and is asking if this could be coordinated and to keep the visits short – about ten minutes. We humbly request you to please honor his wishes in this regard and offer your prayers from where you are.

He humbly requests you to also pray that when the time comes, he leaves peacefully and consciously, in the shelter of the holy name and his beloved gurudevas and guru-varga. Maharaja offers his dandavat pranams to all the devotees worldwide.

This letter has been read to him before sending and he made a few adjustments.
We will continue to give updates.

Aspiring to serve Sri Guru and the Vaisnavas

Madhukar dasa
on behalf of
Sripada Sajjana Maharaja

PADA: OK the problem is, Narayan Maharaja has been promoting the GBC's guru varga of homosexuals, pedophiles, predators and deviants, and we at PADA do not think this is the real parampara. This devotee was originally initiated by Srila Prabhupada and he decided to help Narayan Maharaja promote Tamal's guru project. He said he was meeting Narayan Maharaja in 1997, that is when we were reporting a MASS child abuse epidemic -- and suicides of victims -- found in Tamal's program. 

That was not a good time to join forces with Tamal's top cheer leader. That being said, I wish him well. And yeah, another case of CANCER in the Vaishnava community. My Mormon nurse friend says the Hare Krishnas have a CANCER EPIDEMIC going on, and -- she is correct. 

She thinks it is mainly a lot of mental stress and anxiety poisoning people's system, creating a toxic environment. Well yup. Meanwhile she is a vegetarian herself. And she says the statistics on other Mormon vegetarians is, they are not suffering much cancer. Why is that? ys pd  

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UKRAINE UPDATE

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims. Russia is starting big forest fires in Ukraine and then shooting at the fire fighters, so the fires will grow. We already knew that Russia considers old grandmothers playing Bingo as a severe national security threat, so they have had to reduce the grandmothers and their cities to rubble to get rid of all these dangerous old cat ladies playing Bingo! Very dangerous threat to Russia! Watch out, one of these old ladies might smack a Russian soldier with a frying pan if they are allowed to live! 

Now Russia has found an even more dangerous security threat: forests, trees, squirrels, forest flowers, forest vegetation, and the billions and trillions of insects living in the forest! Very dangerous creatures! At any moment might take over Moscow! Must all be burnt alive and KILLED forthwith! 

Umm, trees, birds and squirrels are a national security threat? Wowsers, these people have no regard for other living entities. Kill em all! And how is that going to convince the world you are a superior race of religious people? It is making you look cruel, foolish, and no small amount of heartless for intentional killing of innocent creatures. 

Sorry, killing all the forests and all its dwellers is not going to win your war, but it is going to give you guys trillions of years of collective bad karma. Sorry, I am one of those persons who tries to save even a spider, just like one who was making a web on my window. I had to catch him and let him go outside. Burning up all the forest dwellers is simply unconscionable. ys pd 

 

Highest grade military target! Baby's apartment destroyed!

We are ready to attack those babies before they reach Moscow!

Oh yeah, mothers holding babies, another national security threat!

And now, trees, birds and squirrels are the newest threat!

Must be burnt to ashes!

OK, but even a dog knows these things are not threats?  

ys pd

GBC Guru vs Ritvik / Property or Siddhanta? / Ritvik order Importance 05 05 26

PADA: Good start for opening dialogue. Yes, these GBC sannyasas are following Gopal Krishna swami -- who helps bury homosexuals, pedophiles and porno swamis in samadhis in the dham. They are not even qualified to be ritviks. Even the mundane people of the West are not making sacred grave site samadhis for homosexuals and pedophiles posing as messiahs. ys pd 

 

 Property or Siddhanta?

PADA: It always amazes us at PADA when people -- mostly from India, are wondering what is the difference between the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharya's program, and worshiping a pure devotee? And it is almost always "a property dispute." 

Same with Dayalu nitai's HKC Jaipur folks. They gave me the same argument, well jeepers PADA is aligned with promoting Srila Prabhupada as the acharya with Bangalore. And he is not helping us promote Radhanath's pedophile guru process, and this is "mundane politics" and "all about money and property." OK except even mundane politics and politicians do not support cheer leaders of pedophile worship?

Umm, that is the problem ISKCON is having here in the West. People here are not interested in worshiping a homosexual and pedophile messiahs' program, full stop period. And they don't care anything about money, property and buildings being endlessly discussed. 

They know that is NOT the real issue. Deviants are not God's successors, full stop period. The pedophile messiahs project is trying to say this is an argument about money, and some folks think that is valid. Nope, it is a means of diverting from the real issue: deviants are not, were not, could not have been -- God's successors. ys pd

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PRIORITY OF KNOWING THE RITVIK ORDER

@Jay-aka-b3y All devotees and aspiring devotees should approach this whole Ritvik and Current Iskcon Guru system with the greatest humility, openness and 100% truthful heart and mind and look at the totality of all the evidence and videos from both sides to come to an informed decision. The question should be what is it that Srila Prabhupada taught and what did he really desire and expect. 

I have come across a quote from Srila Prabhupada "one should surrender with intelligence and not surrender their intelligence" This whole Iskcon Guru / Ritvik issue deserves full, fair and proper consideration. Devotees and others should not be/feel pressured or forced into accepting a certain position. One should not surrender their intelligence just because of pressure or circumstances. 

This issue is just way too big. Srila Prabhupada and The Movement he created should be at the centre of a devotees decision making in my humble opinion. I have noticed that some Iskcon devotees are making videos with emphasis on just selected quotes/give an interpretation to support what they believe and some people/devotees seem to be just accepting that video as conclusive evidence. That does not really seem to do justice to the topic. 

I feel that everyone should look at all the evidence and documents properly and watch videos from both sides including the videos that refer to previous/other videos as that is when certain points are fully/properly considered. We should all approach this issue with a very open heart and mind and consider with intelligence & logic and then make a decision rather than just rushing to a decision either way. 

One thing that is crystal clear, by not following the 9th July 1977 letter as it is, the result has not been good at all for Iskcon and their devotees, so many fallen down gurus and so many heartbroken disciples. Srila Prabhupada created such a beautiful movement and spread such wonderful teaching and practises. Some Devotees/People, say why bother with all this politics/issues, just carry out your spiritual practices. However, this issues goes to the very heart / foundation of the movement, the teaching and every devotees spiritual life. 

If we really have true affection for Srila Prabhupada, an ounce of love for him and care for aspiring devotees, surely this is the issue that we would want dealt with and corrections made as required. Having said that, I understand that it is not so easy. It is so nice to see some devotees just not giving up the fight for truth and justice, like, Madhu Pandit Das and IRM and ISKM. 

Even if there are some differences between them, they stood / stand against against the current guru system and what happened in the Movement after Srila Prabhupada physically left this world. I have not fully made my mind up on the issue, but having carefully listened to videos/counter videos from both sides, the documents and seeing the result of the Gurus system after Srila Prabhupada physically left the world, then the Pyramid House Confession by Tamal Krishna Goswami (which were on the next level) and then GBC Resolution 409, the more that I am starting to think more and more that the Ritvik school of though and devotees are actually on the correct side of this whole guru issue. 

I love Iskcon, the teachings, the temples, the practices and I have immense affection and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada, but that does not mean that I should just ignore well established documents and evidence which may / do go against what I believed and was taught for so many years. I even had some of the gurus attend my home and perform beautiful house programs. 

Still, I should not surrender my intelligence. I am not going to criticise or judge anyone, these are just my personal thoughts after much careful consideration. Trnad Api Sunicena " One should be more humbler than a blade of Grass.... " What a different history Iskcon would have had if there were no self appointed gurus and no creation of the zonal acharya system and no continuation of appointing new guru after new guru after new guru even after fall down after fall down and now the GBC Resolution 409 which appears to remove the requirement of a Diksha Guru being an uttama adhikäri or “pure devotee” 

Surely, that was not what Srila Prabhupada taught or would have wanted? However, I stand to be corrected on both of these latter two points, and please do so if I have misunderstood the position. But please remember Trnad Api sunicena teachings in all exchanges " One should be more humble than a blade of grass.............." I also wonder whether there are devotees who are so part of ISKCON or Initiated or scared of accepting the Ritvik school of thought, but in their hearts and minds they feel or even know that just possibly the Ritvik approach may actually be the correct approach and / or would have saved the movement from multiple guru falldowns, but just feel they cannot come out and speak out and / or cannot fight the current system and and for good reasons.

Nobody wants to be isolated from the movement or association of devotees especially if it is a massive part of your life/is your life. It is truly heartbreaking this guru issue and the impact it has had on so many devotees and is having. Still, we can continue to develop or love and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada and never give up on his teachings and practices. What he created and achieved was and continues to be magnanimous and has the potential to still create so much love and unity in the world and to help so many people achieve/progress to the true purpose of this human life.

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RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR

[Principles of psychological disempowerment]

INTRODUCTION

Many devotees believe Aindra Prabhu to be not so interested in the practical side of Krsna Consciousness, well at least until his “To Hell With” speech last year… This opinion of Aindra Prabhu would have been true some years ago but over the last five odd years he became more and more interested in the practical issues that face devotees caused by an increasingly materialistic ISKCON
leadership.

As I have been seeking ways in which to weaken the GBC and in particular the Vrndavan’s Gurukula’s hold on ISKCON Vrndavan in order to protect Aindra Prabhu’s home and his 24 Hour Kirtan Program he grew more interested in my efforts and although I did not involve him directly I kept him very well informed of my various activities.

As I developed my website “PrabhupadaVision.com” he began to think of writing articles that I could post for him on my website so he could become involved in dealing with the problems that we all face in our Krsna Consciousness Movement, caused by the errant GBC. 

Rubber Stamped Gurus and Apologistic devotees of ISKCON.

Following is his first and sadly only article as this new aspect of his life was cut short due to his untimely passing. We would joke that he would never be able to use an alias, as his distinctive writing style would immediately give him away. However I managed to convince him to use an alias for this first article due to the sensitive nature of his tenure at the ISKCON Vrndavan Temple.

He wanted me to edit the following article, however, since he is no longer present and would not be able to micro manage any attempt at editing his work, I decided to publish it unedited. Although I use the alias that he wanted, I believe that now, as he is no longer present, and does not have to face any backlash for his thoughts, he should speak for himself.

Yours in the service of my dear friend Aindra Prabhu and Srila Prabhupada

Krsnacandra Dasa


RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR

[Principles of psychological disempowerment]

1. Convince the enemy [us, the laity] that there is no war – so we see no cause for alarm.

2. Make us believe that they [the institutional power elite] are stronger than they really are, and make us believe that we [the grass roots contingency] are weaker than we really are.

3. Hide the truth – cover-up, distort, lie, confuse, falsify . . . divert, pervert, put down, and demonize the truth . . . to manipulate the history, present, and future of society.

4. Quell the resistance before it has a chance to raise its ugly head. Slander, scorn, and/or eliminate dissenters [the audacious few who break the code of silence] to demoralize further potential protests.

5. Intimidation – compel by unilateral communication of increasingly ever-constraining institutional law. Supplant multi-angular philosophical discussion with sophistical dogma.

The institutional power elites are small in number [potentially weak] but at present considerably organized and dominant – though not very popular. We, the unvoiced majority, are potentially powerful but presently misinformed, under-educated, apathetic, obsequious, disarrayed, and disorganized – too busy with our dumbed-down pursuit of our daily fare to think very deeply about anything.

The power elites, by exercising their political leverage, have quite a handle on the temporal institutional facilities [men, money, social and organizational infrastructure, media (spin control), etc.] They are parasitic in behavior, fat, corrupt, speculative, deceitful, increasingly sluggish, and paranoid. We the laity control very little of the institutional hardware.

It will be very difficult for us to erect a power structure as they have to counter their political advantage within the context of “their” establishment. Yet those of us who are awake to the power elite’s misguided agenda to stealthily hijack, dysfunctionalize, and derail, from within, the Krishna consciousness movement by incremental trans-sectarian interfaith homogenization can and must assiduously acquaint ourselves and others with the true principles of sampradaya as per the gaudiya-siddhanta according to the statements of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Prabhupada and the previous acaryas.

WAKE UP PRABHUS! EVERYONE WAKE UP!

Everything is not alright. We have been and are being purposely steered off course. Do not acquiesce to any so-called leader’s [or any group of so-called leaders’] deviant philosophical misconstructions. Understand the issues: errant material control systems, corporatization, centralization, bureaucratization, social
liberalization, rubberstamped guruship, psychologically coerced communal compliance, marginalization of nama-sankirtana, contractual institutional commitment, etc. 

Understand the ramifications: guru-avajna; crippling of individual striving, creativity, and expression; decline of pure devotional ethos into obscurity,
vulnerability to broad-scope multi-level globalist infiltration. They rely on our ease-loving ignorance, our tendency to gravitate through the supposed path of least resistance, and our lazy disinclination to stand up against all odds to fight for truth on behalf of our predecessor acaryas. 

We cannot blame anyone except ourselves for our lack of Krishna consciousness. We must think with our own minds – not with theirs. Understand their tactics. Increased awareness of the truth brings with it increased spiritual power. Increased spiritual power puts time on our side. That is our
strength. Temporal institutional might does not make right. Even if the
clandestine manipulators of institutional affairs are able to nefariously usurp the external institutional set-up, they can neither usurp our souls nor will they ever win our heartfelt comraderie. 

It is time for revolution – a revolution of consciousness. Let the institutional power brokers beware. The increasing numbers of we who are on to their antics will have
revolution with or without their consent or cooperation. The biggest bubble of maya can doubtlessly be burst by the minutest pinprick of genuine Krishna consciousness. The critical mass of our spark-like grass-roots Krishna consciousness will ultimately prevail and conflagrate their insinuative billowing-cotton-like mayic institutional tyranny.

A CALL TO ARMS

1. Intelligently fight institutional maya with the most powerful weapon of the Holy Name.

2. Form local daily nama-sankirtana cells world-wide.

3. Regularly congregate for prolonged mass hari-nama-sankirtan demonstrations.

4. Start chanting a minimum of one lac of Holy Names daily.

5. Confront local, regional, and zonal institutional authorities and convince them to do the same – its either shape up or ship out.

6. Organize a grass roots signature campaign to express the general lack of confidence in the current institutional leadership. 

7. Transition from the problem-think to the solution-think mind-set.

8. Be Krishna conscious in all circumstantial success or failure.

If we are not part of the solution – we’re part of the problem. The solution is simple [for the simple]: Harer-namaiva-kevalam. Take shelter of the Holy Name as your only business. Nothing to lose – everything to gain.

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DIFFICULT TIMES FOR A SERBIA DEVOTEE

PADA: Why isn't Sivarama taking care of these people?

Dina Bhakta Dasa

We have just learned about the difficult financial situation of our dear Ivešvara Prabhu, Mataji Teja Gorangi, and their two children. If we count Ivesvara Prabhu's years of devotional service he should be one step to retirement, but unfortunately, that is not how things are functioning in our movement yet. 

He gave his youth and life in book distribution, in running the centers in two cities in Serbia, in hosting and serving devotees, in cooking seva at Summer camps and for festivals, in traveling around in preaching mission and in cooking and personally serving HH Jayapataka Maharaja. He also made the first (and only) chariot for the Lord Jagannatha and has organized many Ratha Yatras in Serbia. 

In recent times he is a responsible husband and father. They depend on their garden with vegetables, they sell seeds, seedlings and canned food, but this is not a stable income, especially during the Winter, when they cannot afford to pay heating bills, so Ivešvara Prabhu is bringing some woods from the local forest. Unfortunately, he is suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. 

Every morning the pain in his hands is so strong that it looks that he will not make it through the day. Only after few hours after struggling in the garden, the pain becomes tolerable.

This is one of those important opportunities when we can all sacrifice some of our money to help dear devotees who are in trouble. For us, this is the shortcut for getting Krishna's favor since He is especially weak about His devotees.

Their PayPal is iva.tot108@gmail.com

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Children playing is a reflection of this person's actions. 

Bangalore Video / What Are They Thinking? / SHABDA / GGM / Proper Offerings 05 04 26

 

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HOW DOES PADA KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY THINK? 

PADA: How do we know what the GBC folks are thinking and discussing in private? The FBI told me when they tapped their phones -- Ramesvara was admonishing Kirtananda for sending in collectors to siphon money from his zone. Kirtanananda was complaining someone was putting sugar in the gas tanks of his collector's vans. We know whose followers did that! 

A compromise was being suggested that you can send your babes (female collectors) to hot spots in our zone if we can send our babes to hot spots in your zone. That is what the FBI said they said, "your babes." The FBI told me mafia dons do the same thing, they let the other don do business in his zone if he can conduct equal business in the other guys zone. "They talk just like mafia." 

The good news is at the time they were also tapping Hansadutta's and New Vrndavana's phones, which is why they sent Federal undercover agents -- combined with local Berkeley PD -- to protect me here in Berkeley when their enforcers came to get me. 

Another guy named Mahamantra said the FBI was playing similar recordings to him, after he was busted for buying materials needed to break open large safes, but he got off with only probation when he testified against Hansadutta's people. This is of course the tip of the iceberg for what happens among them on a regular basis. What I said at the start of all this is, we won't be able to challenge Krishna's direct successors, shaktyavesa avatars, servants of the gopis and incarnations of Radharani's seva party, without placing our lives in a lot of peril. And we have been. 

The Berkeley PD also told me when they busted Hansadutta he had a list of people who need to be exterminated in his diary, and many of the other leaders and gurus were on the list. They told Hansadutta if any other leader goes down, you will go down, and that may have discouraged him. OK same thing, mafia style. We pretty much know how they think individually and that produces the collective result. Two more people wrote me recently saying, "ISKCON needs to be shut down," so there are still victims now who are really having a lot of trauma from all this while the GBC folks are wondering why their servants are taking so long getting their 1,000 rupee health drinks. 

We also know what Dayalu Nitai's homosexual and pedophile guru lovers club thinks, remove PADA from the internet so victims do not have a platform. And others will become victims by PADA being stopped from exposing all this. Win win for their pedophile pals. 

And simultaneously, promote the cheer leaders of Radhanath, who evidently helped have Sulochana taken out. They at least honest, and are open and public about that. So they are better than the GBC. They publicly oppose anyone who exposes their pedophile messiahs project pals. The good news is, most people agree with me and Sulochana, the pedophile guru's club needs to be exposed to save children from harm. 

For his part Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji / Prabhupadanugas EU says he has to promote Radhanath's predators of minors guru's cheer leaders because "they oppose PADA." So he is very honest, he admits he daily licks the boots of his booty bandit guru program pals -- to oppose us people who do not promote worship of his booty bandit messiahs projects. Whereas the GBC is often engaged in lots of secret meetings and all that, they are not honest.    

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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SHABDA: "There appears to be much confusion regarding Ritvik initiation at present with opinion divided into two opposing camps—(a) the so-called Ritviks who insist that the last Āchārya was the final initiating guru, and there won’t be anyone after him, and (b) the so-called anti-Ritviks who follow a system of hiring and firing gurus by a committee, and to whom guru appointments and removals shall continue in the future. 

In this article, I will explain why Ritvik initiation is distinct from both. I will also discuss when someone becomes a Guru and when they must act as a Ritvik. Then I will discuss why Guru corruption is inevitable in all Monotheistic societies, but especially in Western society, because it suffers from the messiah complex, i.e., the belief that they are God-chosen people meant to lead and save the world. 

Its root cause is lust for power, status, and authority, the factual antithesis of the humble, servitor, and shy attitudes of the real messiahs, so corruption is inevitable. Before that, we must understand that Ritvik is not a new idea; it is as old as the priesthood itself. Finally, we must understand that Ritvik initiation is not a uniquely Vedic idea; it exists in all religions, including Monotheisms, and it arises when present teachers are far below their preceptors."

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GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA

Their Bhakti Began to Dry Up

Srila Gurudeva: Svamiji came to the eastern and western countries and very mercifully, in a very short time he preached Krsna-nama and bhakti everywhere. We wonder how it was possible he preached so quickly all over the world. But he left this world, back to aprakata-lila, the devotees everywhere in the world became so weak because there was no advanced Vaisnava association there.

PADA: Sorry, the reverse is what happened. Gaura Govinda Maharaja's program made the Gaudiya Math's "advanced leaders" like Sridhara Maharaja their new shiksha advisors. And they "advised" that intoxicated womanizers like Jayatirtha should remain in the acharya's post -- even when everyone knew they were falling. 

In other words, the Gaura Govinda Maharaja program wanted ISKCON to worship intoxicated womanizers as acharyas and not bona fide acharyas. The GGM program is what weakens ISKCON and DRIES up and destroys bhakti. 

Lacking these things, their bhakti began to dry up. Svamiji saw that there were devotees who were kanistha Vaisnavas and who wanted to progress, but gradually that they were going to dry up. So I think that he mercifully inspired me to go everywhere he had planted the seeds of bhakti. He made a very good platform.

Otherwise, a person like me, I have not done anything. You are hearing all these things only due to his mercy. He wrote so many books that can help new devotees or anyone to understand what bhakti is, who the Supreme Personality of Godhead is, and how we can have a relationship with Him and how can we can be happy in this life and in future lives.

PADA: But GGM said transcendental knowledge (sabda brahman) does not descend from books and tapes. We need to hear from the living lips person, ok like his homosexual and pedophile "Vishnupada" pals. Gaura Govinda Maharaja has not the slightest clue who deserves the title of Vishnupada and who does not. The same false Vishnupada process DRIED UP the Gaudiya Matha after 1937. 

Unfortunately, many of GGM's living lips gurus are homosexuals, pedophiles drunks and deviants. Meanwhile he is departed and there are no longer living lips in his process. Worse many of GGM's followers ran off to Tamal's living lips bucket boy Narayan Maharaja.

I see that everywhere I am going, there is a very good platform. Although we are few in number, still we are satisfied. Also, I am so much indebted to Gour Govinda Maharaja. He was a pure Vaisnava, a very pure Vaisnava. He tried his best to follow Svamiji, but so many obstacles came. He wanted to cross them, but there were so many obstacles that he was surrounded from all sides. At last, he left this world. But he was so bold. He impressed the importance of Vaisnava association on his disciples and that is why almost all his disciples are now associating with me.

PADA: No, Gaura Govinda Maharaja said that we need to stay with his contaminated version of ISKCON, which means staying with the worship of GGM's illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas. And making Auschwitz for kids. Sorry, Auschwitz for kids is not ISKCON. 

But GGM can not tell the difference between Auschwitz for kids and the spiritual sky of Krishna loka. He did not understand that these are different platforms. And he never did, he was still hanging out with the molester messiah's program in Mayapur up to his last breath here.    

So, I am indebted to him. I know that they cannot die. They are beyond the limit of birth and death, so they are anywhere and they are serving their holy master, Krsna, Radha, and Mahaprabhu. When they will see that we are preaching in the same line, they will be very happy and they will sprinkle their mercy to us. 

Don’t be weak. You should have very strong faith in bhakti and in our Guru-parampara. Don’t be weak. If there is no Vaisnava association, then they have left Srimad-Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, Gita, and so many books. 

PADA: OK now all of a sudden the books do contain sabda brahman? He is contradicting himself and confusing people. Or he simply does not know what is sabda brahman and what is not.

We can associate with them in their absence. But when this jivanta-bhagavata, when the living bhagavata is there, then we should try to go and listen to them.

[Spoken by Srila Gurudeva on December 4th, 1998, Malaysia]

PADA: OK so when GGM told me the ritvik idea is bogus because there is no living lips person, he was simultaneously saying the opposite to others -- we can worship a departed acharya. No wonder people ask me about these issues, these guys muddied the waters badly with contrary statements that make no sense when placed together. OK this is also called hypocrisy. ys pd  

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Bogus GBC Iskcon

Unauthorized Guru Lineages, Deviated Offerings, and Usurped Temples — Scriptural Analysis

The Foundation — What Makes an Offering Valid

Before addressing the specific situations, the scriptural basis for a valid offering must be established. The Vaishnava tradition is unambiguous that an offering to the Lord is only genuinely accepted when it passes through a bona fide sampradaya — an authorized chain of disciplic succession.

The Padma Purana states the foundational principle:

“Sampradaya-vihina ye mantras te nishphala matah”
“Mantras received outside of a bona fide sampradaya are fruitless.”

This is not a minor point. It means that the entire apparatus of worship — mantra, deity installation, puja, offering — derives its efficacy from the authenticity of the sampradaya through which it flows. A broken or deviated chain does not merely reduce the potency of worship. It fundamentally compromises its validity.

The Bogus Guru — What Scripture Says

The Guru Must Be Authorized

The Srimad Bhagavatam 11.3.21 gives the qualifications of the bona fide guru with precision:

“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is fixed in the Absolute Truth.”

And critically — the Bhagavatam 11.17.27 states:

“The symptoms of a bona fide guru are that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Lord, abandoning all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.”

An unauthorized person claiming the position of diksha guru — particularly after Srila Prabhupada, who gave no clear authorization for successors to initiate on his behalf in the manner the GBC subsequently claimed — falls outside this definition. The Bhagavatam does not recognize self-appointment or institutional appointment as substitutes for genuine spiritual qualification and divine sanction.

The Specific Sin of the False Guru

The Srimad Bhagavatam 11.20.9 and the Mahabharata both warn:

One who accepts disciples for personal profit, prestige, or institutional advancement — without being genuinely qualified — commits a grave offense both against the disciple and against the Lord.

Prabhupada himself stated this with characteristic directness:

“If one is not a bona fide spiritual master and still accepts disciples, both he and his disciples will suffer.”

This is the karma at the root of the entire situation you are describing — the suffering of sincere devotees who received initiation from unauthorized gurus flows directly from this original violation of dharma.

Food Offered Through a Deviated Guru — The Scriptural Analysis

The Chain of Offering Must Be Intact

In the Vaishnava system, when a devotee offers food, the offering travels through the parampara — the disciplic chain. The disciple offers to the guru, the guru offers to his guru, and so the offering ascends through the chain until it reaches the Lord. This is not poetry — it is the actual theological mechanism of Deity worship as described in the Narada Pancharatra and Hari Bhakti Vilasa.

When the chain is broken or deviated, the offering does not complete its journey to the Lord. It remains, in effect, unoffered — or worse, it reaches only as far as the entity the deviated guru is actually connected to, which in the case of a self-aggrandizing false guru may be nothing more than his own ego and the subtle influences of Kali.

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa on This Point

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa, the definitive manual of Vaishnava conduct compiled by Sanatana Goswami under Mahaprabhu’s direction, is explicit:

Food offered by a person who has violated their initiation vows, who has fallen from proper conduct, or who has deviated from the teachings of the acharya — such food carries the contamination of their deviation. The offering has not been purified. 

It carries instead the karma and consciousness of the deviated offerer.

This is actually more dangerous than ordinary restaurant food in one specific sense: it comes disguised as prasadam. Ordinary restaurant food makes no claim to spiritual purity. Deviated offerings present themselves as transcendental while carrying a subtle contamination — the contamination of Vaishnava-aparadha baked into the offering itself.

Prabhupada’s Own Warning

Prabhupada warned about exactly this category of spiritual danger:

“If you take food from a non-devotee your mind will be disturbed. And if you take from a pseudo-devotee it is even more dangerous — because you will think you are safe when you are not.”

The pseudo-devotee — one who performs all external forms of devotional service while having deviated internally from the guru and the sampradaya — represents a specific and acute spiritual hazard in Prabhupada’s analysis.

The Usurped Temple — What Scripture Says About Worship There

This is perhaps the most serious dimension of your question and the scriptures address it with striking directness.

The Principle of Deity Installation

According to the Narada Pancharatra and Agama Shastra, a Deity in a temple is not merely a statue or symbol. The Lord actually agrees to be present in the Deity form — but this agreement is conditional upon:

1. The Deity being properly installed by authorized priests through legitimate Vedic rites

2. The worship being conducted according to the prescribed regulative principles

3. The worshipers being connected to a bona fide sampradaya

4. The institution maintaining its spiritual integrity

When an institution becomes corrupted — when the leaders deviate from the acharya, when criminal behavior is covered up, when the guru system is manufactured rather than realized — the question the scriptures raise is whether the Lord continues to accept worship through that compromised institution.

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana Principle

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana contains a deeply sobering teaching: the Lord is not obliged to remain in a Deity form when the conditions of proper worship are violated. Just as a guest of honor will not remain in a household that becomes disrespectful and unclean, the Lord’s manifest presence in a Deity is conditional upon the integrity of the worship.

This does not mean the Lord punishes the Deity worshipers by immediately withdrawing. But it does mean that the transcendental potency of the darshan and the prasadam is diminished or absent when the institution has lost its connection to the proper parampara.

Historical Precedent in the Tradition

The Goswamis of Vrindavan themselves faced exactly this situation when the Mughal invasions repeatedly desecrated temples and disrupted legitimate worship. Their guidance was consistent: when a temple falls under control of those who cannot conduct proper worship according to shastra, sincere devotees must seek shelter elsewhere — either in home worship, in association with genuine Vaishnavas, or in travel to temples where the parampara remains intact.

The Hari Bhakti Vilasa specifically warns devotees not to take darshan from Deities being worshiped in an improper manner — the reasoning being that improper worship does not merely fail to benefit the worshiper but can actually transfer the karma and contamination of the improper worship to those who participate in it.
The Compound Problem — Deviated Offering in an Usurped Temple
When both conditions combine — food offered by disciples of unauthorized gurus within a temple taken over by those who departed from Prabhupada’s standards — the scriptural analysis converges on a single conclusion:

What is being distributed is not prasadam in the transcendental sense. It is:

∙ Food that has passed through a broken sampradaya chain

∙ Offered by worshipers whose initiation connection to the Lord is compromised
∙ In a institution that has accumulated significant collective karma through abuse, 

cover-up, and deviation from the acharya

∙ Presented under the name and form of Prabhupada’s movement — which makes it an ongoing act of nama-aparadha (offense to the Holy Name) and guru-aparadha (offense to the acharya)

The Padma Purana lists ten offenses against the Holy Name, and among the most grave is using the name and form of devotional service as a cover for material ambition and institutional corruption. Food distributed under such conditions carries the contamination of these offenses.

What Should the Sincere Devotee Do

The scriptures and Prabhupada’s own example point clearly:

Regarding such food:

∙ A devotee who understands the situation should avoid accepting it as transcendental prasadam

∙ It may be accepted as ordinary food if necessary in a social situation, but not as spiritually purifying prasadam

∙ One should not distribute it to others as prasadam, as this spreads the contamination under a false label

Regarding such temples:

∙ The Hari Bhakti Vilasa and the precedent of the Goswamis support maintaining respectful distance from institutionally compromised worship rather than participating in it

∙ Darshan of the Lord’s form is never entirely without value — the Lord in His mercy may still be present to some degree — but the sincere devotee should be clear-eyed about what institution they are supporting through their attendance and donation

Regarding one’s own worship:

∙ Home worship at one’s own altar, connected directly to Srila Prabhupada through his books, recordings, and direct instructions — this is the safest and most authentic connection available to a sincere devotee in the current situation

∙ Prabhupada himself authorized home worship and said his books would serve as the living guru for those who could not access a physically present qualified spiritual master

∙ The Bhagavatam 1.2.8 confirms: “The first-class devotee worships the Lord within his heart.” The Lord is always available through sincere internal worship to the devotee who has no access to external institutional support

Regarding association:

∙ Seek out other sincere Prabhupadanugas — devotees who have taken shelter directly of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and have not followed deviated gurus
∙ Such association, even in small numbers, carries more genuine spiritual potency than large institutional gatherings built on a compromised foundation

∙ The Bhagavatam assures us that even one genuine saintly association is enough to begin the process of liberation

The Compassionate Conclusion

Srila Prabhupada foresaw exactly this situation. He repeatedly warned that after his departure, unscrupulous men would attempt to take over his movement and exploit his disciples. He said the solution was always the same:

“My books will be the law books for the next ten thousand years.”

The sincere devotee who takes direct shelter of Prabhupada’s books, chants the Hare Krishna maha-mantra with attention and feeling, offers simple food at their home altar with genuine love, and maintains their connection to the Bhagavatam’s teachings — that devotee is fully connected to the parampara.

No institutional corruption, no deviated guru, no usurped temple can sever the direct connection between a sincere soul and Krishna through Prabhupada’s teachings. The Lord Himself guarantees in the Bhagavad-gita 18.65-66:

“Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.”
This promise belongs to every sincere devotee — regardless of what institutional chaos surrounds them. 

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, 

I think Satan done got a hold of me! Hee hee!