Mukunda UK / Frustrated Devotee / 1850's Tech / Maren Speaks 03 18 26

 

HITLER-ANUGAS UPDATE 

OK someone asked us about Mukunda (Mark Whitely) UK -- who has been saying the Zionist bankers and their allies are in control of the world, and ISKCON. And they must be exposed!

Except now Mukunda is saying Trump is saving the world, evidently because he is working to save the sacred Land of Israel. Someone asked me, what is this? Mukunda is for and against them at the same time? We need to expose them and save them simultaneously? Is someone not taking their medications? Yep, these are the kinds of question we get over here at PADA, WTF is going on here?

Same problem we have with HKC Jaipur / Prabhupadanugas EU folks. Of course first of all they were promoting Mukunda and his H*tler ki jaya program. Then they said they are against the GBC. 

Therefore they are against anyone who is promoting Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, like PADA and Bangalore. In fact they are saying those of us who promote Srila Prabhupada are "crazy liars." Which is why GBC folks forward their statements to us, they are helping the pedophile messiah's program and not us.  

Why? Because the HKC folks want people to listen to their shiksha guru heros like Radhanath's cheer leaders, so they can glorify the team that is burying homosexuals and pedophiles in samadhis. And they need to promote the writings of Hari Sauri, Bhavananda's bucket boy and the leaders of Auschwitz for kids. 

Can you guys just choose one side or the other, and defend one or the other? People write me and ask about these type guys, because they are confusing people, including PADA's editor. Of course others have said, this is called hypocrisy, double dealing, two-faced ness, making contrary false claims to manipulate and exploit people and etc. ys pd

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LD: For real? Mukunda and his HKC clunkheads are in favor of ... exposing the Zionst take over of ISKCON. This is why they support Trump ... sending billions and trillions of dollars over for defending the Zionists? 

That is what happens when they try to make Hitler and Krishna their acharya ALL at the same time, Krishna turns their brains into rotten eggs. Srila Prabhupada explains, miscreants lose their intelligence, buddhi nasa. Now they are fighting with ... themselves. 

I never liked these Hitler ki jaya people. They have no idea how bad they make Krishna look to the public. Or else, they want Krishna to look bad on purpose. Either ... does not matter ... they are making Krishna look bad. No wonder they now support defending the Zionists, because that looks bad right now. They are always on the side of bad.    

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AG: I'm so frustrated.

I see all these things and I feel so helpless. Child abusers and sex offenders are being worshiped while nothing is being done for the victims (except oppression and the trauma they get from that). There is so much apa-sidhanta everywhere, so much hate being spread, people literally being called asuras over things while not adressing basic issues of our society.

I feel extremely disheartened not just because this is happening but also because I feel powerless to change these things. What are people doing to Prabhupada's movement? On top of that I read theories about offending any devotee, and after seeing all this I'm so skeptical that I may momentarily at least fall for it. 

Fear that I commit vaishnav apradha, my heart is becoming darker (i would strongly appreciate advice on this. How to avoid genuine apradha while being open). This is not how i want to feel towards genuine devotees?.

On the other hand the topic of people avoiding in the name of vaishnav ninda but actually Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur writes that. We should consider that, without the right motive, it is inappropriate to reflect, even impartially, upon the faults of any living being, what to speak of Vaisnavas. To blaspheme Vaisnavas is an offence, but even blaspheming other jivas is a sin. Vaisnavas have no interest in performing such a sinful act.

However, provided one has the right motive, the scriptures have not condemned a careful critique of someone’s faults.

Proper motive is of three types:

desiring the welfare of the person criticized,

desiring the welfare of the world

and desiring one’s own welfare

There are three types of proper motive:

(1) If the intention in analyzing someone’s sins is to ensure that he attains his ultimate welfare, then such reflection is auspicious.

(2) If the motive behind reflecting on someone’s sins is to benefit the whole world, then this is to be counted as an auspicious act.

(3) If such reflection is undertaken for one’s own spiritual welfare, then it too, is auspicious. There is no fault in such reflection.

from Sri Gaudiya Patrika, Year 7, Issue 10

Additionally, is it not apradh to the victim vaishnavas to supress them and speak ill to them as often observed?

PADA: The first problem -- as I see it, these wanna-be sadhus are not Vaishnavas. Or they would not treat brahmanas, women, children and even cows the way they have been doing. We need to distinguish who is a Vaishnava factually. And we should start by judging behavior, and these people's behaviors do not reach the standard. They know people fear making Vaishnava ninda, and that is a tool in their tool box to maintain control artificially. We need to call a spade a spade. ys pd

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1850's Tech Does Not Work in 2026

PADA: Yeah DN prabhu, the USA administration's "ship escort" idea is not going to be good for either the escort ship or the escorted. Hypersonic anti-ship weapons aimed at slow moving objects going 3 mph are not going to be stopped by an escort ship, nor is the escort ship itself safe either. Which is why -- the USA is not volunteering any escort ships, oil tanker ships, or any other ships.  

But yeah, ship escorting to break naval blockades was done way back in the day, say for example before the year 1850. Problem being, the current USA leaders have evidently not figured out -- it is no longer 1850. 

Telling NATO to bring in "escort ships" to break the blockade is not going to work either, because they already know -- it is not 1850 anymore. Lets hope our leaders start to understand, 1850 is not the current year. Ship escort tech was popular before 1850, its does not work now, which is well known today to most school children over the age of 12. ys pd

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YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR

PADA: Hee hee, she does not hold back. ys pd

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PADA: The Dangerous Criminal Immigrant Tomato Pickers

Yeh! We had to remove all the Latinos now!  

USA FARM REPORT

For some reason, we needed to get rid of the USA's tomato pickers. This creates a giant problem for farmers, when the USA is getting rid of the Latinos farm hands. Now the farmers -- even some politicians -- are begging for them to return. What “begging workers to come back” actually looked like:

Numbers of reports describe farmers in various states calling, texting, and even driving to workers’ homes to ask them to return after immigration raids caused an overnight collapse in their labor supply. Making farms all across the USA "un-farmable." Many have had to go bankrupted, and there is a record level bankruptcies.

"Almost 100%” of workers disappeared overnight, forcing farms to shut down operations entirely. Farmers were left with unpicked crops and untended livestock. In the Rio Grande Valley, farmers said “zero people” were willing to show up, legal or undocumented, because they feared being detained. 

Some farmers openly admitted they were trying to reassure workers and convince them to return. National coverage noted that immigration raids “roiled farms” across the country, with Texas among the hardest hit, leaving farmers scrambling to find anyone willing to work. 

Texas Standard News reported that stepped‑up ICE raids caused workers to stay home “out of fear,” and experts warned this would severely damage food production. Farmers were left with no labor and no alternatives. Much produce has rotted unpicked.

Another report described Texas fields as suddenly “quiet,” with a “near‑total disappearance” of workers, leaving farmers in panic mode trying to get their crews back. Across these stories, the common theme is desperation: farmers calling former employees, offering higher pay, promising safety, and still failing to bring people back. Of course when the other farmers lost their foreign markets due to tariffs, there was no need to pick the crops. The crops rotted and they went bankrupted anyway.

Now what? America will have to import more food from South America, as is happening now. That will raise the prices of food. That is added to the exploding cost of fuel prices now that the USA decided to make oil a rare commodity. When workers and fuel become scarce, so will food. It looks like there is no effort to change any of these policies presently, so the farmers will suffer and so will the consumers, and so will the USA.

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TULSI GABBARD HAUNTED BY OLD TWEETS

 “Trump promised to get the US out of ‘stupid wars,’” Gabbard wrote on Twitter in 2019. “But now he and John Bolton are on the brink of launching us into a very stupid and costly war with Iran. Join me in sending a strong message to President Trump: The US must NOT go to war with Iran. #TULSI2020.”

Gabbard posted the tweet alongside a campaign video featuring President Donald Trump opposing the U.S. launching foreign wars. “The president is listening to his national security adviser, John Bolton, and other war hawks in his administration, who have championed the war with Iraq in the past, and have been pushing for a war with Iran for years,” Gabbard said her the video.

PADA: She knew the whole time this war was going to be a disaster. She has suddenly had a bad case of forgetfulness. Some of my friends in Hawaii said she is going to save America, well maybe, but not so far. She needs to remember what she said previously and quit fooling around with these important issues. She is clearly dodging the questions and waffling around, and a news guy said -- it is embarrassing to watch her contrived forgetfulness. ys pd 

Kasya Pt. 1-4 / Sridhara Srinivasa / ISKCON in a Nutshell 03 17 26

The Spiritual Soul is as pure as God.

But we have to realize who is God,

and who we are, and factually,

before that state manifests.

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KASYA DASA

About Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami, part 1/4

What follows is an unedited transcription, part one of four of the four transcripts, by a disciple of Srila Prabhupada who knew well then Bhaktividya Purna Swami and Suhotra Swami. The purpose of this is to shed light on the dealings and character of Alan Ross Wexler, aka Bhaktividyapurna Swami (BVPS). The names of persons and some places quoted in the text were purposefully concealed because they did not give permission for that.

My opinion is that it should have been BVPS's friends and godbrothers who ought to deal with him in a dharmic way, and not let him morally rot and damage others physically and emotionally around him. Simply to excommunicate someone is not a solution at all. It is just an easy way to seemingly get rid of the big problem at hand. But a big stain prevails. That is still essential to deal with it, but it is not a direct part of this presentation.

daso 'smi

Kashya Das

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Dear Kashya, thank you very much for sharing. I usually write, but this is a fairly extensive topic, so I’ll try to record something. I hope you’ll be able to understand it. I sometimes have a problem listening to recorded messages because I can't understand them. But in this case, it worked, so I think I know what you’re getting at. Of course, that story has various — I would say — levels of understanding.

Regarding that person, the former [leader of the] Gurukula—I call him purely a demon, and for clear reasons. He is an infiltrated demonic person. According to BM, he is a trained agent of Mossad, the Israeli secret service—which sounds very conspiratorial and wild, right? But just from the association I had with him, I can confirm that he is an absolutely "slick," crafty, professional, manipulative person. 

I had my first *darshan* with him when V was about 6 or 7 years old. We had a *darshan* with that Gurukula [leader]. I immediately felt this from him. But it was just an emotional thing, and I don’t rely much on my emotions. They can deceive me quite a bit.

But even just his appearance and that whole charade around him — how he walked around in those wooden clogs and with that bamboo umbrella, and how he was always half-naked and with a hairy chest. To put it graphically ... [obscene]"

That was all I perceived from him. His appearance was absolutely demonic. I have training from Sankirtan; I simply feel something "under the breath" sometimes. I don’t trust my feelings, but unfortunately, looking back, I was usually right. So, regarding this person, nothing surprised me. As for V, I must say he is a heavily damaged, abused child, and his testimony as such sometimes absolutely lacks objectivity. And I understand that. I don't see it as something negative. To me, it’s natural.

Even toward us—toward M and me, who always treated him like parents—he acted incredibly cruelly at a certain point. This is precisely the fate of pedophilically raped children: they constantly demand so much love, but when they are supposed to give feedback back, they actually get terrified. And they can wound the heart even of the person who is lovingly caring for them.

So that is V to me. He has many material desires; he is a very materially motivated person, but he is a devotee who survived all of this. Which is admirable. Most of his classmates ended up as dysfunctioning junkies, absolutely traumatized people, and he even tried to help some of them along the way. That was nice.

Thirdly, the testimony that Bhakti Vikasa [Swami] was closely tied to this gentleman is false. That is not true. But as for Suhotra Swami, a certain philosophical bond did arise there.

Because, as I say, this "slick" demon really mastered our philosophy. He mastered our philosophy. So this was completely dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. [The speaker discusses Suhotra's internal state and Mayapur reports]. 

However, he [Suhotra] was also compromised; he just somehow kept going within that institution. Why? I don't know. I would never do that in my life, but I am also a happy man today because I never let myself be compromised institutionally. And that includes within the C yatra, of course, where real "filth" also took place. 

You were partially there for that too. And to this day, this filth is being covered for by the same management, which only lives off C cowardice and S stupidity. That is why these people like Mr. BV and T survive. T is a sad case; he's just like a little dog they always send somewhere to bite someone. He's a poor soul, but his motivation is absolutely materialistic. *Kanisthas*—that’s just the kind of people they are.

Never mind, that’s the C Republic. These atrocities that took place in Mayapur... certainly when we speak of Suhotra Swami, who to this day is a rather mysterious person to me. Today I can speak openly with you because time has taken care of these things.

And I think you know more than you knew 20 or 10 years ago. So we are maturing. When I have the choice to search for the truth, the reality, or to insult someone or emotionally disgust them, I’d rather choose the truth and the reality. I don't think that will be a problem with you because you instinctively search for reality and truth as well. 

You aren't a fraud, you aren't a hypocrite; you are a hard-working person who endured situations that I wouldn't have survived. I have great respect for you in this regard. I personally saw how he [Suhotra] cooperated so much with Mr. Bhakti Vidya Purna. It was absolutely disgusting. For example, I experienced them walking around Mayapur all day in front of children and speaking only the filthiest American slang I can imagine.

The American language is very [expressive], and they enjoyed it. Simply bizarre humor, where they spoke to each other using words I don't even want to repeat. And that was in front of the children.

And that went on all day. So they publicly enjoyed their eccentric excesses like that. The fact that both let themselves be massaged by five-year-old boys, six-year-old boys—hours of massages where the kids couldn’t do it anymore. And they forced them so that their "precious bodies" would be massaged by this. That in itself is a bit "off" for me. I don't care for massages at all, and I don't like it when someone handles my body like that.

No matter, but these are all documented things. That there were the rods—three types of canes: bamboo, fresh bamboo, medium age, a bit harder, and then the hard old bamboo sticks, which the boys had to oil so that they would "adhere" better to their bodies. It was practically ritualistic.

Suhotra Swami must have known about that. But Suhotra Swami was someone who regularly withdrew completely into his own world. It was an incredible, brilliant world. Brilliant people don't do this [standard things]. They are just completely "out." So Suhotra Swami would lock himself in his rooms for days. And only then was it discovered that he was actually manic-depressive psychologically damaged. And he was taking psychotropic medications -- a lot. [Even as a young man]. So it's a disease.

...part 2 to be continued

MB: At some point, we must connect the dots. When Krishna gives us intelligence, we should use it. Otherwise, we become hypocrites and lose that ability to connect the dots. (Shoshana Strook, daughter of Israeli Minister of Settlements, reportedly took her own life at her home.)

KASYA: I get the first part, but why do you mention Shoshana Strook?

MA: Yes, they must be a trained agent of Mossad.

VN: It is so sad that people who are entrusted with duty of care took advantage of the innocent children by inflicting pain and suffering, much worse than Prahalad Maharaj right in the market place of Harinam and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. How devious and demonic of their acts lusting after the little children, using their bodies for their demonic filthy minds desires? Rascals of the biggest kind. Please add to the class action filed against iskcon GBC for failing to protect the children and for breeding criminal of the worst kind.

KASYA: Unfortunately so.

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SRIDHARA SRINIVASA UPDATE

If a pure devotee female appears, Sridhara Srinivasa says he is going to be her boss and commander. And he will order her to leave ISKCON and not have any position in ISKCON. And worse, Sridhara Srinivasa says a pure devotee woman is -- engaged in the modern day Kali Yuga mundane feminism project. A pure devotee woman is engaged in mundane feminism projects?

Why does he think he is the boss of a pure devotee, male or female. Krishna dictates to the pure devotee, and Sridhara Srinivasa wants to stop Krishna and take over Krishna's post. That means he is Krishna's boss. I am Krishna's boss? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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NN DASA: ISKCON IN A NUTSHELL

After the departure of our Guru some of his ambitious disciples divided the Iskcon world into 11 zones. They then assumed the roles of impersonator diksa gurus.
Eventually many of them fell down due to illicit sex, accumulation of money in private bank accounts, among other a host of other deviations.

Then the guru system of election was introduced by the GBC. This was never approved by Srila Prabhupada. This bogus system of ambitious individuals has now destroyed the great mission that Prabhupada organized due to cultism and sectarianism.

They have changed his sacred books to justify Their heresy. This is to their misfortune. Liars, cheaters and cover up agents of Kali had stolen the mission.
This important quote from Srila Prabhupada is revelation of what has happened.


Now we have blind leaders recruiting blind followers and their path is not connected to the disciplic succession because of the offence of disobedience to the instructions of our guru.

These are proven facts and here is the warning to all of us from His Divine Grace:

"Now, actually, people are surprised: how this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra has got power that it is changing people so quickly?" And on the other hand, it is to be admitted, unless it has got power, how it is changing people? So we have to keep that power.

Don't make it an ordinary musical vibration. KEEP IT PURE. So don't spoil the movement by manufacturing ideas. Don't do that. Go on in the standard way, keep yourself pure; then movement is sure to be successful. But if you want to spoil it by whimsical ways, then what can be done? It will be spoiled.

If you manufacture whims and disagree and fight amongst yourself, then it will be another edition of these so-called new movements. It will lose its spiritual strength. Always remember that. You cannot do that. Don't make it an ordinary musical vibration. It is a different thing, it is spiritual. Although it seems like a musical vibration, it is spiritual, completely.

Mantrauśadhi-vaśa.

Even, by mantra, the snakes can be charmed. So mantra is not an ordinary sound vibration. So we have to keep the mantra in potency, potent, by offenseless chanting, by remaining pure. If you pollute the mantra, then it will lose its effect."
Shrila Prabhupada's room conversation -- April 27, 1976, Auckland, New Zealand

These days the mission is more like show business with Kirtan stars not pure servants of the mission of Lord Chaitanya. These sahajia people are not wanted in real spiritual communities. We kick on their face as Prabhupada used to say. Go away and rot in the world of deviation and disparity.

Furthermore:

This letter is in regards to Kirtan from Srila Prabhupada. This was also the standard of Lord Chaitanya.

"WE ARE USING MRDANGA, KARTALS, THAT IS ENOUGH"

"My opinion is that it is not necessary for us to utilize these different musical talents for spreading Krsna Consciousness. I would rather see people follow strictly the path of Lord Caitanya and His Sankirtana devotees.

We are using mrdanga, karatala, that is enough. We are not musicians. We are Krsna bhaktas. Therefore we do not stress so much importance on these different musical talents. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is God Himself. Had He thought it would have been better to spread Krsna Consciousness by another way He would have done so.

But no, simply with mrdanga and karatala, traveling and chanting Hare Krsna, asking everyone to chant Hare Krsna, preaching simply Srimad-Bhagavatam philosophy, this is the process. There is no need for us to try and add anything to this simple method. It will only be a distraction.

Therefore I request you to follow the simple path of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and help me spread this wonderful mission all over the world. Keep yourself pure and fixed up in Krsna Consciousness by following the basic principles that I have given; chanting 16 rounds daily, following the four regulative principles, rising early, attending mangala arati and classes etc. This is of the utmost importance."
Shrila Prabhupada's letter to Jagadisa Pandit, 2/12/1974

KRIPAMOYA HARRISON

Join this LIVE WISDOM talk by Michael Harrison (aka Kripamoya), who is a meditation teacher (almost 50 years of practice), mentor and spiritual guide for hundreds of people. 

PADA: Someone asked me to comment on the real position of these folks, so -- here it is! Of course, they are always welcome to send me corrections and additions, go ahead!

For starters, Kripamoya says philosophical discussion is a good idea, except -- anyone who says illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara systems are bogus, is booted out of his ISKCON society. We "dissenters" can be: removed, chased with bats, banned, exiled, vilified, beaten, sued and sometimes -- killed. I am not sure how any of that constitutes a discussion of philosophy. OK this is called goonda style debate, we are right -- by force. 

As soon as I said worshiping Jayatirtha is worshiping a de facto pedophile -- since he is having sex with a follower, I got booted out of Kripamoya's ISKCON. Pedophile worship wins, Prabhupada's worship loses.  

Kripamoya says that people like Tribhuvanath and Kulashekhar types of friends helped save his life by helping him become a devotee. And then the violent followers of Kripamoya program's "guru" i.e. Bhakti Tirtha Krisnnapada [I am Krishna's padas no less], beat the stuffing out of the earliest devotee in UK, Kulashekhar das (Colin Jury) -- beating him almost to death. He had to be hospitalized with broken bones and lived a life in pain and a lot of medications -- for the rest of his life. 

And Kulashekhar was later on dying, evidently now homeless and sleeping under a tree near Alachua, when some kind devotees took him in for his last few days here. In other words, the Kripamoya program wants to punish the people whom he says -- saved his life -- by his program's destroying their lives. "I was saved by these people, so now let our program beat them to death, and have them die homeless." There is some real gratitude here friends!  

IRM: If such discussion is to be encouraged, why then are IRM devotees BANNED from some ISKCON temples, most notably Bhaktivedanta Manor, of which HG Kripamoya prabhu is a temple council member, simply for engaging in this discussion? This can only mean that the temple authorities are afraid of “intellectual vitality” which, of course, is completely antithetical to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings:

“A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such conclusions, considering them controversial, for such discussions strengthen the mind.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, 2:117)

Delivering Little Souls

PADA: Oh oh, the Kripamoya program is saving little souls pilgrims! And what happens to the "little souls" in Kripamoya's ISKCON gurukula schools? Well sorry, we heard all sorts of reports of starving, beating, molesting, rapes, anal reconstructive surgery epidemics, broken bones, knocked out teeth, black and blue bruises, beating with bamboo rods breaking the skin, and then traumatized victims taking their lives by suicide. Where is the delivering of little souls here?

Good question, what happens to these "little souls" in Kripamoya's society? And why are a number of those ex-little souls -- who are now grown ups -- living around the San Francisco area here -- boycotting ISKCON? OK some of them are not here anymore because they left their bodies early from taking their lives. We would say, Kripamoya's program ruined -- if not killed them direct or indirect. 

And a number of the victims are now cursing at the Krishna society as a peril to children. So now Kripamoya's daughter is a nurse delivering karmi babies, which is all well and good. Yet it looks like the Krishna babies his program was supposed to help save and deliver from Maya, were not delivered at all. And a number of these victims tell PADA -- they would have been much better off in the hands of the karmis than the Kripamoya process.  

Yep, many children victims told me they have been FORCED to worship deviants, predators, perverts, pedophiles, drunks etc. in the Kripamoya process. Then the Jayadvaita ilk says, these five years old children "made the wrong choice of guru because they did not study the shastra properly"? Ummm, what? The choice of guru was made for these children by the adults and leaders, they have no ability to make the choice of guru at five. OK they are blaming their child victims. 

ISKCONNEWS

By Madhava Smullen

A young devotee finds joy and spiritual realization as she pursues a career as a midwife. Tulasi Harrison was only seven years old-still practically a baby herself-when she decided she wanted to become a midwife and help bring new life into the world. Tulasi grew up in the ISKCON community at Bhaktivedanta Manor in England, daughter of priest and congregational preacher Kripamoya Dasa and gurukula teacher Guru Carana Padma Dasi. Her little brother Mali was fortunate enough to be delivered by a devotee midwife, her mother’s friend Ramadevi.

With her chosen goal - a Bachelor of Science degree at London’s City University-Tulasi was in for a busy, challenging, and rewarding three years. To learn such a specialized skill, Tulasi spent forty percent of her time at her university learning theory and academic knowledge, and sixty per cent at the University College Hospital in the heart of London, getting practical training and experience.

Her hectic schedule, whizzing back and forth between both locations every few weeks, was a challenge to her still developing commitment to Krishna consciousness-but Tulasi was determined to do her best at balancing the two.
Balancing Work and Krishna Consciousness

Tulasi is honest about what a struggle it was for her to fit sadhana, regulated spiritual practices, into her day. Meanwhile, Tulasi protected herself from the student lifestyle of drinking and clubbing by living at home with her family rather than on campus, by choosing the right association, and by keeping herself busy with Krishna conscious activities in the little spare time she had.

“Support systems are very important,” she says. “For me, my sister, Jahnavi, is one of my biggest inspirations, and when she was there I felt safe. Having a lot of devotee friends, especially ones who had similar challenges to mine, was also very helpful. I got on well with the people in my course, but the bond I have with devotee friends is so much deeper, because they understand so much more about my life and faith.”

On the weekends, Tulasi would do service at the temple, have bhajanas with other gurukulis, perform dramas at temple festivals, volunteer with the Pandava Sena youth group, and take classes in Bharat-Natyam dance. Then she would dive right back into her course during the week.

Understanding that Krishna Is in Control

One of the greatest realizations for Tulasi in her training was that while she could do her best and put all her medical skills to use, at the end of the day everything was under Krishna’s control, not hers. So when something wasn’t going right, she simply surrendered and prayed to Him to help the mother and child, which often yielded amazing results.

PADA: Krishna is in control? So He wanted the ISKCON children to worship Kripamoya's program of homosexuals, pedophiles and assorted deviants as His successors? Sorry, Kripamoya's program is malefic in control this situation, not Krishna. And they are controlling it in such a deviant way -- children's spiritual and material lives are being destroyed. Wholesale! 

Sorry, worshiping pedophiles as God's acharyas is Kali Yuga and / or Satan in charge, not Krishna. Why do these people always blame Krishna for their forcing children to worship their homosexual and pedophile acharyas process as the ISKCON kid's messiahs? 

Krishna is not in control of the desires of asuras, the asuras are independently operating outside the authority and desires of Krishna. Why do they always bring up "Krishna is in control" when their program is forcing little children to worship deviants. That means they are blaming Krishna for their deviations. 

Tulasi felt a deep connection with patients who were also God conscious and had the same understanding, while other mothers would notice that she had a special quality about her. “Wow, you’re so calm,” they would say. “Whenever you come into the room, I just feel peaceful.” Some requested her specifically, saying, “We like the way she is.”

PADA: This is another thing abuse victims tell PADA is infuriating for them. When they are suffering, everyone else is calmly sitting around eating samosas, glorifying the people in charge of the gurukula's Auschwitz for kids crisis, without any evident concern for the victims. 

When children are suffering, that should be an emergency crisis, not a time to sit and calmly do nothing. Or worse, even promote worshiping the people orchestrating the abuse process. Also noticed by some victims, some of these people have a lot of concern for Hindu kids or karmis kids, but not so much for ISKCON's children, like these victims. First of all, take care of ISKCON's children, then worry about others.

The Gift of a Lifetime

Before a new family went home, however, Tulasi would make sure she always chanted the Hare Krishna mantra in the newborn baby’s ear while weighing it or doing some other task. “I didn’t know what kind of life they were going to have, but I just wanted them to have heard Krishna’s name, and hopefully to remember it at some point in the future,” she says. “It’s just a gift I wanted to pass on to every baby before they embarked on the journey of life.”

PADA: They are taking care of the karmi children, while not taking care of the Krishna children? What kind of society takes care of everyone else's kids, and not their own kids? Charity starts at home. 

Tulasi also gave the gift of Krishna consciousness to the adult patients and hospital staff. Since she was very popular at the hospital because of her caring, bright, and happy nature, which she attributes to her Krishna conscious upbringing, people would ask her why she was always so happy, or where she got her unusual name. When she told them she was a Hare Krishna, their reaction would often be surprise.

PADA: You mean, she is giving these poor unfortunate people the gift of worshiping the Mayapur Auschwitz for kids pedophile guru program, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas? Sorry. They are much better off worshiping Jesus than pedophiles as their gurus. 

Why would we tell people to stop worship of Jesus, to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program? We might go up to a higher birth by worshiping Jesus, it is possible, but we will definitely go down worshiping their pedophile messiah's program.

“You Have the Highest Service”

In December 2010, after completing her midwifery course, Tulasi opted to take some time out before getting a job in her chosen career. She decided to spend it taking a three-month course for a Bhakti-Sastri degree in Srila Prabhupada’s books in the holy dhama of Mayapur, India.

PADA: OK Mayapur is the headquarters of the pedophile messiah's program, and it has been called "Auschwitz for Kids" by some of the victims. Why would anyone send their kids, or any other's kids, to a place where they have been worshiping things like "oral sex with boys and taxi drivers" as God's messiahs? And killing people who object to their worshiping oral sex with boys and taxi drivers messiah's club? 

“For those of us who grew up in a devotee family, the philosophy is ingrained in us, but often it’s at the level we learned as kids in gurukula, and we don’t study more as adults,” she says. “At least I didn’t,” she adds with her trademark honesty. “So I wanted to balance my education as a midwife with a stronger knowledge of Krishna consciousness.”

Krishna seemed to reciprocate by giving Tulasi a chance to directly connect her career to Him. For it was while in the holy dhama that she assisted in her first ever devotee birth.

PADA: A devotee baby is born in Mayapur, to grow up to worship the leaders of the Auschwitz for kids program, which has homosexuals and pedophiles in their guru parampara? How is that helping that child? That is corrupting the morals of minors, forcing them to worship a debauchee guru lineage.

This faith in the Lord was the one thing everyone had plenty more of in Mayapur than back in England, and it guided them through the task. 

PADA: Mayapur has faith in worshiping their illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, which makes it better than England? How many people in England want to worship debauchees and oral sex with boys and taxi drivers messiah's programs -- as God's successors?

“At one point, as we were really struggling, Ramadevi looked up at the couple’s Jagannatha deities,” says Tulasi. “She said, ‘We all have to pray to Lord Baladeva, who is the force of gravity, to help us pull this baby out, just as he once pulled the Yamuna River to Him.’ We all prayed, and immediately the contractions became stronger, and the baby started coming out. It was amazing.”

PADA: Ramadevi told me she was upset with "all the politics" of promoting Jayatirtha as the acharya, and she said it is making her have an eating disorder. And she was very sickly as a result. She is right, making a falling down lusty dope head like Jayatirtha into the acharya is pure politics and nothing spiritual. I think Ramadevi eventually got very sick and died as a result. But people who eat food offered to a homosexual and pedophile guru process would be expected to get sick.

At that moment, Tulasi remembered what ISKCON Mayapur’s head priest Jananivasa Dasa had once told Ramadevi: “You have the highest service, because you get to touch the feet of the dhama-vasis [residents of a holy place] before they even touch the ground.”

PADA: Oh swell, Jananivasa, one of the high priest deity puja orchestrators of placing photos of deviants and his homosexual and pedophile pals on the altars. Where does Krishna say He wants the photos of deviants placed on His altars? And what happens when people eat food offered to deviants, it is contaminated and makes them get SICK, or even DIE. 

All the while, a recording of Srila Prabhupada singing kirtana played in the background, and everyone present chanted the holy names of Krishna. Ramadevi told everyone, “There’s nothing more special than delivering a devotee into this world to the sound of kirtana, with Prabhupada singing and devotees surrounding the child.”

“We all got quite choked up at that,” Tulasi recalls. “It was such a wonderful thought. The birth of a devotee is an addition to our big, worldwide family, and is always such a special, heartfelt moment. And this one certainly was. It was such a celebration! Throughout the labor, the father had been cooking a huge prasadam feast, and many devotees gathered to honor it and to give the new baby their blessings.”

PADA: The world wide family of worshiping illicit sex with men, women and children deviants as God's successors? Why would we welcome anyone into such a program? 

The Future

After spending six months in Mayapur, Tulasi returned to England, where she is now applying for a job. Her stay in Mayapur has renewed her determination to make Krishna the center of her life.

Finally, setting up her own clinic is a long-term future goal for Tulasi.

“I’d like it to be a place where devotees can come and have a more Krishna conscious experience, and feel completely comfortable,” she says. “I’m looking forward to it. This is such a sweet, rewarding service to have.

PADA: OK some of these ISKCON kids had "regime leader parents" who helped them get cars, housing, and college degrees. Whereas most of the rest of the kids did not even get a proper High School education. Giving the children of the leaders special perks and benefits is called nepotism. OK another thing that infuriates the victims who were not in the nepo-club. 

Of course we are glad some of them got some college degrees and were able to have some career, but this was not the general case. Many of these ex-kids live around here and some of them told me -- no one knows who we are, where we are, what happened to us, or even -- if we are alive or dead. They did not care then and they still do not.

Then again after I was booted out, there was the Croome Court Chloroform on children molester gang. Exactly as we said -- worshiping a pedophile will generate more pedophiles, and it has. 

Then again the chief UK messiah Jayatirtha's head was hacked off because he just could not stop chasing the skirts of married women. When the newspapers said "Guru's Head Hacked Off," no one from ISKCON bothers to make a public disclaimer that this guy is NOT and was NOT ever Krishna's successor. Yeah the guy was a lusty dope dealer, chasing married women, and that is why he is Krishna's guru successor. WTF!

Then again some say the Jayatirtha Peace Krishna's drowned a dissenter in a lake in Nepal. And the Peace Krishnas may have murdered someone in Nepal. And they said they wanted to "tear me up" outside the Berkeley temple. And they would have, except some people came to defend me, and those people had the guns. 

Kripamoya also says, no one thinks these gurus are pure devotees. OK so all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders is happening because these guys are just regular Joe conditioned souls like the rest of us? Sorry, nope. 

I have had tons of death threats, my friends were beaten and killed, all because we said these people are NOT pure devotees. Anyway we could go on here, but the point is, these people are the real reason the molester messiah's project has continued on. They advocated for it, defended it, and kept the molester messiah's project's wheels from totally falling off. And that put the lives of thousands of children, and our lives, in peril.

Now someone said I should be happy for being right all along. Nope, being right about Krishna's devotees being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed is not a cause for celebration. Nor would I celebrate that I was right to say Srila Prabhupada complains of poison. 

Nothing to celebrate here, except maybe  -- I am happy for one thing, the karma of all this is on the shoulders of these people and not myself. At least I will not go to Yamaraja with a four hundred ton stone weight of karma tied around my neck, as these people will.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

"Another meaning of guṇa is rope; it is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. A man bound by the hands and feet cannot free himself-he must be helped by a person who is unbound. Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Kṛṣṇa, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul. Without such superior help, one cannot be freed from the bondage of material nature. Devotional service, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, can help one gain such release. Kṛṣṇa, being the Lord of illusory energy, can order this insurmountable energy to release the conditioned soul. He orders this release out of His causeless mercy on the surrendered soul and out of His paternal affection for the living entity who is originally a beloved son of the Lord. Therefore surrender unto the lotus feet of the Lord is the only means to get free from the clutches of the stringent material nature."
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PADA: Someone asked me to comment on Kripamoya Harrison's position on all the ISKCON controversies. And if anyone wanted to have their observations included -- send your comments to angel108b@yahoo.com .

As far as my comments on Trumpster-ism and recent events. I believe he is deteriorating mentally and physically, and his current state is maybe the best we are ever going to get. And that is not necessarily good news since it looks like he has placed the USA into another mid-east nightmare -- quicksand -- quagmire war. These neo-con guys also have the same message every time, we had to stop the weapons of mass destruction -- which have not been made yet. Yep! Really?

What is the biggest security threat to the USA? Iranian missiles? Nope, it is the ever expanding deficit and out of control government spending, especially military spending, coupled with massive tax breaks for the wealthy. That has been the problem for maybe 50 years or more. 

Going into a giant war expense at this point is not good fiscal policy, when the peon citizens are spending more for food, housing, gas etc. And since the Gulf states are our number one stocks and bonds investors, taking down their economies is not going to bode well for USA. Thanks for investing in the USA, now watch as we tank your economy! 

Of course, the Iran regime is not a good program and that is also true, but making it the job of America to clean all these other places up is not working out too well for the USA. And never has. 

Srila Prabhupada says the arrogant asuras will fight with one another and damage each other. Krishna does not have to intervene, they will cancel one another out. Seems to be what is happening here. The USA is getting hit with huge oil prices, shaky stock markets etc. while Iran is getting hit with weapons, and both of them think they are winning. That is the nature of ego-tism! So they are sort of destroying each other in different ways. 

But for the USA to now say -- ooopseee, yeah we actually had no plan to keep Hormuz open in the very likely outcome -- they will block us -- for attacking them -- means -- there never was any good or comprehensive plan. We are just flying with bailing wire, duck tape, elmer's glue and the good old "bomb them everywhere" plan, that has not worked in our previous "war on terror" programs. 

Sorry, even max strength Duck Tape is not going to fix this mess this time around. So I do not know where this ends. The good news is -- China is getting swamped with orders for "green energy" products -- i.e. solar, wind and water turbine products, so that will help get rid of some of the use of fossil fuels, and I am for that. 

Anyway, one reason it is so hard to predict how this ends is, the USA has recently been plagued with government unpredictable - ness, and making reliable predictions is near impossible. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO:      

MD: I had an experience that was similar to the one of Gauridasa Pandit prabhu mentioned in this video. In the late '80's (between '86 and '88 I believe), myself and a few other devotees from the Montreal Temple, including Prabhava Vigraha prabhu who, if I recall correctly, was temple president at the time, met at Prabhava Vighaha's house along with Niranjana swami who was then a GBC for Montreal.

We met to discuss the guru issue. As the various devotees were expressing their frustrations with the zonal system, Niranjana swami who was typically a mellow guy, slammed his fist on the table and shouted, "That is our philosophy, damn it, that is our philosophy".

Everyone fell silent. I'm not sure if, at that time, maharaja had already started accepting his own disciples. But, if not, it was not long after that that he did. We were made to be trouble-makers for speaking our mind about something that deeply troubled us and shook our faith, something (the zonal guru situation) that our intelligence could not reconcile with our understanding of Srila Prabhupada's intentions for His ISKCON.

We also wanted to follow Srila Prabhupada faithfully. But because we saw things differently then the big wigs in charge, we were made to be "black sheep". Other devotees were told that we had been "poisoned", that we were not to be associated with, etc.

My so-called initiating guru even told a group of my godbrothers that there was "no chance in this life for me and my wife". The impact that all this has had on me (and, I am sure, on many others who had similar experiences) is best expressed by citing the exchange between Lord Krsna's devotee Uddhava and Lord Krsna's reply to him in the story of the Avanti brahmana in the Srimad-Bhagavatam:

Chapter 22:

Texts 58-59: Even though neglected, insulted, ridiculed or envied by bad men, or even though repeatedly agitated by being beaten, tied up or deprived of one’s occupation, spat upon or polluted with urine by ignorant people, one who desires the highest goal in life should in spite of all these difficulties use his intelligence to keep himself safe on the spiritual platform.

Text 60: Śrī Uddhava said: O best of all speakers, please explain to me how I may properly understand this.

Text 61: O soul of the universe, the conditioning of one’s personality in material life is very strong, and therefore it is very difficult even for learned men to tolerate the offenses committed against them by ignorant people. Only Your devotees, who are fixed in Your loving service and who have achieved peace by residing at Your lotus feet, are able to tolerate such offenses.

Chapter 23:

Text 1: Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: Lord Mukunda, the chief of the Dāśārhas, having thus been respectfully requested by the best of His devotees, Śrī Uddhava, first acknowledged the fitness of his servant’s statements. Then the Lord, whose glorious exploits are most worthy of being heard, began to reply to him.

Text 2: Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa said: O disciple of Bṛhaspati, there is virtually no saintly man in this world capable of resettling his own mind after it has been disturbed by the insulting words of uncivilized men.

Text 3: Sharp arrows which pierce one’s chest and reach the heart do not cause as much suffering as the arrows of harsh, insulting words that become lodged within the heart when spoken by uncivilized men.

So, for me, dovetailing the impact of having been ostracized for my understanding of Srila Prabhupada's instructions on initiations after His departure, by sharing that understanding on like-minded forums such as this one, is a way to try to follow Lord Krsna's advice to Uddhava to " keep oneself safe on the spiritual platform".

RDD: Hare Krishna, please accept my humble obeisance, All Glories to His Divine Grace Abhay Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada ki jai. This is the same thing happened after departure of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta saraswati takur Prabhupada in Gaudya math

GDD: Thank you so much, prabhu-ji, for making this video. (I need to search the previous two). I was tormented by the bogus "guru" Bhavananda Vishnupada (how audacious)! This active homosexual is supposed to be a sannyas, right? For the sake of the culture they should have banished the creep, not allow him to remain.

These evil-doers damaged the souls of many. Since then, by the grace of Shree Radha-Krishna, I have met and serve the mission of a legitimate guru. I sometimes wonder what had become of some of my so-called godbrothers.

PADA: Yep, Hansadutta told me the GBC had many "secret meetings" in later 1977. There they systematically planned out the false guru process. He said Satsvarupa was acting as a typical "Prabhupada devotee" asking the other "10 gurus" a series of questions. And they held mock debates against Satsvarupa -- to get all their arguments aligned.

Satsvarupa said the biggest issue is, we all need to say the same things at the same time. If one of us give different versions of answers, the whole thing will disintegrate. So they spent a lot of time organizing their "guru appointment" claim." And yes, part of the plan was to remove us "doubters" and "people asking too many questions."

When me and Sulochana began to distribute the May so-called "appointment tape," this tape is not actually appointing one, eleven or any gurus. So they decided to try to silence us physically to stop our distribution of the tape. Sulochana was then taken out, and I was only saved by the FEDs doing undercover following me in un-marked cars. So they arrested the three enforcers they sent to get me.

But yeah, they came up with all this "guru appointment" in secret meetings. And there was not actually any order for 11 gurus from Srila Prabhupada. They appointed themselves as gurus. And those who doubted could be in peril. ys pd

GDD: Wow! That's quite a story. An ex-iskcon'ite as myself had heard about Sulochana Das. There's a book about his slaying.

MD: Make ISKCON Files in Hindi for Indian alone … for Hindi speaking devotees and also not devotees.

SP: Vishwa guru srila Prabhupada ki.. Jai!

BR: What should we do? I love Krsna Consciousness

FT: Follow the principles given by Srila Prabhupada to us like 4 regulative principles Chanting of Rounds etc. Read his books. Read Srila Prabhupada books.

Srila prabhupada and Krsna will surely will give us the right direction of right path. I am also Following this process. And also if we love Srila Prabhupada truly then we shoukd read his book Follow his instructions Chant Hare Krsna this is real love towards Srila Prabhupada. Diksha if a formality if someone takes diksha too and don't Follow these basic things then what the use diksha it's just disrespect and ignoring the guru which is very offensive.

Read Srila Prabhupada books!

HK: Vishvaguru srila prabhupada ki jai! Sincere soul will surely be affected by this video and come to shelter of true guru. Plz try this series in hindi also so that we can share it more.

BCSM: It still goes on. There is a hierarchy of gurus, and some (particularly Hridayananda) still cling on to the lie that they were appointed by Srila Prabhupada. No one apologized to me.

HKHR: GBC & Juhu ISKCON's group of temples will NEVER assist Bangalore or those of us that faithfully follow the July 9th directive! These misleaders & unauthorised gurus, who are in control, cannot give up their positions, many getting very weathly. living like a king for profit, adoration, distinction.

They all need to find a new scam and get out of ISKCON now. Keep up the good fight !

LMD: Jai vishwa guru srila Prabhupada!

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HH Krishna Ksetra Swami (ISKCON)

Swami Maharaji is one of the Gurus to give initiation. He also had been the GBC’s chair director of the “Department of Deity Worship”.

PADA: OK so we need to offer bhogha to persons engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, or their cheer leaders, to perform proper deity pooja?

Maharaji had been one of the main pillar preachers with other senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada, in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe before the Berlin Wall broken down.

PADA: Well yeah after the ruined the preaching in the West they went to former soviet states to find persons ignorant of their history.

Swami Maharaji was also one of the chief members , with HH Sacinandana Swami and several senior disciples of Srila Prabhupadain the “Gauranga Bhajan Band”,

the Kirtan preaching team, Kirtan concerts singing all thru Europe, and Eastern Europe.

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Dr Kenneth Valpey, (In Academy Field):

Experts in Sanskrit, in German, in French… various Languages.

Expert in Kirtan and music.

Research fellow at the Bhāgavata Purāṇa Research Project, OCHS

Research fellow at the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics (OCAE)

Dr Kenneth Valpey is a research fellow at the OCHS where he is co-director of the Bhāgavata Purāṇa Research Project.

Together with Prof. Ravi M. Gupta he has edited a volume of articles and translated a volume of selections from the Bhāgavata Purāṇa, both volumes published by Columbia University Press (2013; 2016 respectively).

Dr Valpey is also a research fellow at the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics (OCAE) where he has written and lectured on nonviolence and environmentalism as well as on the application of yoga principles and practices for animal-human relationships and animal protection.

Dr Valpey completed his DPhil (PhD) in 2003 from the University of Oxford with a study of Vaishnava temple liturgical practices and theology (published by Routledge in 2006 as Attending Kṛṣṇa’s Image: Caitanya Vaiṣṇava Mūrti-sevā As Devotional Truth).

Dr Valpey has taught courses on Indian religion and culture at the University of Florida, Gainesville, at Chinese University of Hong Kong, and at the University of Pula, Croatia.

His emphasis is on pursuing a comparative-integrative understanding of dharmic traditions and exploring these traditions in contemporary contexts. He frequently gives visiting lectures at various universities, including universities in Hong Kong and inside the People’s Republic of China.

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Selected Publications of his works include:
1- Cow Care in Hindu Animal Ethics, Palgrave Macmillan, Animal Ethics book series, 2019.
2- Krishna Seva: Traditional Ritual in the Practice of Bhakti Yoga, Dual-language publication, Mandarin and English, Kunming, China: Yunnan University Press, 2018.
3- The Bhāgaavata Putāṇa: Selected Readings, Co-authored, with Ravi M. Gupta. New York: Columbia University Press, 2016.
4- The Bhāgaavata Putāṇa: Sacred Text and Living Tradition, Co-edited, with Ravi M. Gupta. New York: Columbia University Press, 2013.

PADA: Why do all these scholars support the pedophile messiah's program? Baffling. ys pd

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BHAGAVAD GITA 10 : 32 -- "Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

PURPORT

Among created manifestations, the total material elements are first created by Maha-Visnu and are annihilated by Lord Siva. Brahma is the secondary creator. All these created elements are different incarnations of the material qualities of the Supreme Lord; therefore He is the beginning, the middle and the end of all creation.

Regarding the spiritual science of the Self, there are many literatures, such as the four Vedas, the Vedanta-sutra and the Puranas, the Srimad-Bhagavatam and the Gita. These are all representatives of Krsna. Among logicians there are different stages of argument. The presentation of evidence is called japa. The attempt to defeat one another is called vitanda, and the final conclusion is called vada. The conclusive truth, the end of all reasoning processes, is Krsna."

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KING OF THE HILL

PADA: The GBC gurus have worked very hard since 1978 to make themselves kings of the hill. And it has worked great for them. The temples are largely empty. And now they are making compromised and sometimes meat eating -- and / or -- mayavada Hindus into temple board leaders. The Hindu managers will send them a percentage of the cash that is being siphoned off the ISKCON donations. 

Now they can live a life of luxury with servants, feasts, feet washing ceremonies, nice dwellings, nice cars, nice computers -- and nice permanent health care expenses paid for life. And on top of all that, they have a nice $100,000,000 legal fees bonus of slush funds. They are now using those funds to hire their $20,000,000 an hour legal team in Delhi to once again sue Bangalore -- after losing $20,00,000 already. 

In order to do all that they had to push all the rest of us off the hill. Those pushed off the hill were women, children, brahmanas, even many cows suffered. And if they now have to defend any of those victims, and have to be accountable to any or all these victims, they would not able to continue to hold the post of king of the hill. They would have to resign in shame. 

But then they would not be kings of the hill? So they have done a lot of hard work getting everyone else off the hill, children were simply part of those chased off. And they told Mahasringha they are not going to surrender their king post ever, they will only leave that post when they leave their bodies. 

But yeah, the person who pushes everyone else off the hill to become king, cannot then pretend he cares for all those he pushed off. That will destroy his image as ruler of the hill, and will put his post as ruler in peril and accountability. Perhaps legal accountability. 

That is not what they wanted to do, since 1978. They have never listened to us, and when we were squeaking wheels making too much noise, they tried to have us physically removed from the planet with their enforcers. In short, they have victimized tens of thousands of others -- to push them off the hill -- they thus have no current incentive to get off the top of the hill now. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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AM I THE ONLY ONE?

V Dasi: Am I the only who finds themselves just sitting and thinking what the actual heck is going with ISKCON?? It can't be this difficult to understand the most basic human rights issue. 

We want to talk about complex subjects but can't understand the importance to protect children from abuse?? Why would there be pushback even?? HOW DO PEOPLE FIGHT TO WORSHIP PEDOPHILES??? Even my tired is tired! So embarrassing to call yourself a member at this point

MJ: Prabhupada said movement was infiltrated. This is being done professionally, not by some fallen devotees. Secret society level professionals.

AP: This is bogus. The movement was not infiltrated. When materialistic and narcissistic people are recruited by a leader and elevated to the status of "second intiated brahmanas" and gurus then of course there will be disaster. You cannot then blame other people.

PD: Except no one was ever elevated to guru, they elevated themselves.

SP: That famous "Prabhupada said", which is the reference from 1972 in a letter usually labeled by devotees as "Sinister movement within our society" to anything and everything they wish to tag as movement's infiltration or infestation of some kind. Which is disingenuous. 

No one dares call it, as Prabhupada himself stated in further letters, that its actually a conspiracy of Gaudiya Math, the godbrothers of Prabhupada who were manipulating his disciples since back in 1969. And Prabhupada called that conspiracy "the poisonous tree" done by Gaudiya math. It's not the jews, it's not the UFO, it's not the illuminati, etc.

MJ: There’s plenty of evidence that great social movements in the 70s were infiltrated, you are naive.

SP: Again, disingenuous at best. Putting Prabhupada's statement "Great sinister movement" into a box of "the infiltration" of jews, UFO's and illuminati is not gonna give you a free pass by overlooking the fact that Prabhupada was ACTUALLY reffering to the Gaudiya math in his original statement. 

Intelligent people who know how to analyze and read Prabhupada's letters in proper chronological order will reach a 180* degrees opposite conclusion than your made-up warped Prabhupada. If Prabhupada ever talked about the misleaders of the world; he called them exclusively demons (in their own right). But for you to stretch the rubber-band by bringing the specific case of "Great sinister movement" being reffered to vikarmi inflitrators is false and fraudalent.

SP: I’m arguing that your assumption that these theories are crazy is flawed because it’s not crazy at all and substantiated that intelligence agencies infiltrate ALL religion and social movements. You are subtly gas lighting using conspiracy theory as a term to discredit. You are an establishment supporter.

AP: This is what happens when a spiritual institution prioritises growth through preaching and book sales over self-transformation first. When ineligible people are recruited in the name of so-called mercy then such people end up taking up leadership positions and ruining an entire spiritual movement. If preaching or proselytising to others is a cause of bhakti then one must question why despite so much preaching and building temples 

ISKCON is not able to give Vaikuntha experience to anyone at the local temple level and instead has been plagued with controversy and inner turmoil. Real bhakti means to work on yourself first which itself requires a monumental effort. This is what the traditional Gaudiya Vaisnava parivaras do. I have learnt more from them than I have in the 40 years of reading Prabhupada's books and associating with ISKCON. The institution needs to focus on itself first instead of preaching to others. Indiscriminate mass preaching can corrupt an entire spiritual movement.

MJ: I’m a fallen devotee and I have no criminal tendencies. You are not aware of the Epstein class that specializes in destroying social movements.

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WHAT HAPPENED TO TULSI GABBARD?

https://www.ms.now/news/tulsi-gabbard-iran-war-silence-trump?

SD Dasi: Please please please! Just call her Ms. Gabbard. She has dragged her sacred name through the mud. 

GD: I like to call her “Tulski Grabba-dollar” - it’s a crude nickname but her master loves to give people crude nicknames and it nicely encapsulates both her pro-Kremlin stance and her greed. 

RND: She says there are dangerous bio and chemical labs all over Ukraine. This is why ??? she wants all these labs blown up every day. Then all the dangerous bio chemicals are spread into the air for all the people to inhale, even babies. 

Which is going on there every day. 

She seems to want all those hapless people exposed to dangerous bio lab materials. Which means, she has no concern for others. She says there are dangerous materials all over the place. Everywhere! Then sits back and lets the bio labs all get blown up ... all over the atmosphere ... every day! 

No effort to contain these dangers. She is also thinking blowing up power and water system for them is a good idea, after she claimed she is against ALL war. NO MORE WARS. Horse whacky. 

She is in favor of wars that help evil dictators like Putin. Little babies are freezing and she is in favor of that war ... she simply follows the dictation of dictators and not Krishna. We have to bomb the bio labs, and spread bio materials all over the land, and turn off the power to freeze little babies, who even thinks that is a good idea? No wonder she shut her mouth, she would have to admit she is a fraud.

SD Dasi: You mean Trump not her guru now right?? 

GD: Of course - her master is Trump now …. and she has to stay in line. 

LK: She would object if she was a real devotee. 

GDA: Like so many in Trump’s entourage of craven sycophants - she is devoid of any principles above self interest, self promotion and personal ambition. No public cost is too great for their personal gain. They all take after their master and political guru - Trump - who has with their help taken American politics to new depths of corruption and self dealing that make even the most corrupt politicians and lobbyists of yesteryear look like honest statesmen. 

BB: Wait what? She was all gung ho 100% commando on "No War With Iran" or any other wars. All until there was a war with Iran. She is a shape shifter. Has no integrity compass. She has to follow her leaders off the cliff and not her conscience ... to save her paycheck. So sad, same as the ISKCON people who surrender to bad people ... to get a job. 

RE: She has proven to be a chameleon opportunist, which is characteristic of many right-wing politicians, thus exposing her former alignment with the democrats as more expedience than principle. For all the faults of the democratic party, the "warmongering" she claims drove her away from them ... always pales in comparison to that of her adopted party. 

N Devi Dasi: She’s too busy setting up voter suppression and fraud to think about her role in agreeing and expediting this war. Silence is acceptance. 

KS Dasi: I once supported Trump solely because I believed in her support for him, proving once again there are no honest devotional political leaders. He lies, she lies for him. She lied all for her own name, fame, adoration and distinction and of course $$$$$$$$ 

SP Dasi: She has taken bad association and has become like them. She doesn't push back on them because she is blinded by personal ambition. Maybe she thought it was a means to an end, but she has become a lost soul along the way. She should not be seen as a reprsentative of Krishna.

BB: She hangs out with Radhanath. Nuff said!