PADA: It looks like Mahatma's forgiveness tour is on hold while he started his new conversations with a bead bag program. Dude! You program kicked out nearly all the people who were chanting on their bead bags. The Hindus who come to your temples on Sunday do not have bead bags and a lot of them eat meat.
Your program has had devotees banned, beaten, sued, molested and killed. I think it is not going to save you to have a bead bag. Mahatma is a co-founder father of the illicit sex with men, women, children -- and cats? messiahs project, and then he wants us to forgive him for making that program, without ever explaining why he made that program? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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BIG TROUBLE DOWN UNDER?
PADA: OK I have no idea who this fellow is. He claims there is a lot of child abuse still going on in ISKCON Australia. And leaders masturbating in front of others and so on. I dunno. But there seems to be a problem with these types of things surfacing in ISKCON from one day to the next.
If anyone can investigate his claims there, that would be great. I have heard all sorts of rumors over the years of all sorts of things, including gurukuli girls getting abortions in India and who knows what else. You have to ask yourself, why do these types of reports keep surfacing?
OK some of the reporters are not reliable, perhaps so, but still we have to ask, have these problems been fixed? I know there are some really upset people in Australia. My suggestion is -- you guys organize a forum and get yourselves some type of structure to address things. Otherwise individuals making pot shots here and there is not very effective.
ys pd
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BACK TO JESUS HEAD
PADA: Sorry. I know who is reincarnated as what. The mleccha dharma people are eating animals, and they become them, that is called the law of karma. Meat is called mam-sah. "I will become you (that animal which I eat)." We sow pain and death, we reap the same. What we sow is what we reap.
That is a simple point, if we make someone else suffer, we will later on. Basically common sense. God already told my atheist lady friend not to eat animals as the Lord in the Heart. She told me -- eating animals causes pain, suffering and death, and it thus is NOT to be done. EVER! How does she know that? Krishna told her in the heart, because she is a compassionate soul -- so Krishna rewarded her with further understanding.
But yeah, the Christians do not believe in karma, and thus they think all these animals are here for them to make suffer, chop up. cook and eat, that is not correct. I don't have to say anything, what one does to others happens to oneself later on, that is called -- what you sow, so shall ye reap.
And there are billions of animals eaten every day, and then billions are born every day. That is how it works. We see it every single day. And it is working fine, sowing and reaping. If you do not believe in sowing and reaping, so be it, I do. ys pd
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The Story of Putana’s Past Life and Her Revenge Against Lord Krishna
The scriptural account of the demoness Putana’s past life is extremely captivating, sweet, and at the same time, a unique instance of the Supreme Lord’s boundless mercy.
According to sacred scriptures including the Padma Purana, Bramhavaivarta Purana, and Garga Samhita, Putana was Ratnavali, the daughter (or younger sister) of the demon king Bali, in her previous birth.
The Awakening of Maternal Affection and Anger in Ratnavali
In Satya Yuga, when Lord Vishnu incarnated as Vamana Deva and arrived at the sacrificial arena (yajna-shala) of King Bali, Ratnavali was mesmerized by the exquisite charm and beauty of the young dwarf Brahmin. Beholding the serene and captivating form of Vamana Deva, a deep feeling of maternal affection (vatsalya rasa) arose in her heart.
She mentally expressed her desire: "Ah! If only I had such a beautiful child, I would blissfully breastfeed him and fulfill my motherhood!" Being the omniscient Lord, Vamana Deva understood the innocent desire of her heart and silently granted her the boon, saying, "Tathastu" (So be it).
From Maternal Love to Rage and Resolve for Revenge
However, the narrative soon took a dramatic turn. When Lord Vamana cleverly measured the entire universe (Heaven, Earth, and the Netherworld) in three steps and bound her father Bali with serpent ropes (naga-pasha), Ratnavali's maternal love instantly transformed into intense anger and revenge.
Deeply enraged by her father's humiliation and deception, she made a venomous vow in her mind: "The boy who deceived my father and robbed him of everything—if he ever becomes my child, I shall kill him by feeding him poison!"
Fulfillment of Desire in Dwapara Yuga and the Supreme Mercy of the Lord
The Supreme Lord is immensely merciful; just as He accepts the love of His devotees, He does not let even the intentions of His enemies go in vain. Ratnavali had formed two distinct resolves:
Breastfeeding the Lord as her child.
Taking revenge and killing Him by administering poison. In Dwapara Yuga, that very Ratnavali was reborn as the demoness Putana, an accomplice of Kamsa. Upon Kamsa's command, she went to Gokula and attempted to kill the infant Krishna by feeding Him her poisoned breast milk, which was the manifestation of her past-life revenge.
Scriptural Evidence from Srimad Bhagavatam
In the Srimad Bhagavatam (Canto 10, Chapter 6), it is described that Lord Krishna overlooked Putana’s lethal poison and malicious intent, choosing instead to accept only her initial instinct of maternal care (vatsalya). Under the guise of drinking her milk, the infant Krishna sucked out her life force and killed her; yet, He granted her the exalted spiritual destination of a nursing mother (dhatri)!
aho bakī yaṁ stana-kālakūṭaṁ
jighāṁsayāpāyayad apy asādhvī
lebhe gatiṁ dhātry-ucitāṁ tato 'nyaṁ
kaṁ vā dayāluṁ śaraṇaṁ vrajema
(Srimad Bhagavatam 3.2.23)
Translation:
"Alas! How wonderfully merciful is Lord Krishna! Even though the wicked demoness Putana fed Him her breast milk smeared with deadly poison with the intention to kill Him, He bestowed upon her the position of a surrogate mother. Whom else shall we take shelter of, other than such a merciful Lord?"
Summary
In her previous life, Putana sought revenge for Lord Vamana's trickery against her father Bali. As a result of her two contrasting desires—maternal affection and the urge to murder—she attempted to kill Lord Krishna in Dwapara Yuga by feeding Him poisoned milk.
Krishna knows the name of each and every cow and calf.
Prayers Requested for Romapada Swami Hospitalized in Atlanta
The following message was released by ISKCON Atlanta:
With a heavy heart, we share that soon after His arrival in Atlanta, His Holiness Romapada Swami Maharaj experienced some unforeseen health challenges and was admitted to Grady Memorial Hospital.
By the causeless mercy of Sri Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, Maharaj is now receiving care and is showing encouraging signs of improvement.
In this moment, Maharaj needs our heartfelt prayers the most. We humbly and earnestly request all devotees to kindly keep Maharaj in your sincere prayers and chant for His complete and speedy recovery.
Let us all pray together for His Holiness Romapad Swami to be quickly restored to good health.
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AMERICA IS RUNNING OUT OF WEAPONS
PADA: OK pilgrims, the neo-cons never had the resources for another one of their prolonged forever wars. Now they are panicked because they think they might lose the mid-terms -- and no longer have unlimited trillions for their forever wars, some folks might vote against funding that agenda. That will be terrible!
Iran uses decoys to make USA run down its anti-aircraft stock. Which is why Srila Prabhupada says -- Krishna arranges for the asuras to fight -- to drain down and expend their military might and weapons.
The neo-cons said they got into this war "because they had a good feeling about it." OK then, but a feeling does not always produce good results. We are always getting rid of dictators, which might produce even worse dictators. We got rid of Saddam, and that created ISIS and many other similar vicious splinter groups in Iraq. Not sure how that helps?
Now their big plan is to block Iran's banks, but those banks are already trading in BRICS currency and they do not need USA banking. And blocking banking is a very long term attrition issue in any case and will not produce quick results, if any results ever.
So it looks like the USA is draining its weapons, draining its oil reserves, and draining its economy with huge expenses, and for -- what? Iran says they need complete control of the straits to block USA weapons from entering the region, and I think they will eventually get that awarded. Iran also said they are not aware of any new deal being made, they are still waiting for USA people to adhere to the original MOU. Hard to tell with both sides giving mixed messages.
OK this is another neo-con blunder, which is costing the USA on all sorts of levels. The GBC does the same thing, anyone who does not agree with their policy is rough shod pushed out the door. And the neo-cons similarly fire and remove anyone who questions their policy. Get rid of the people asking questions!
And then the more qualified advisors are -- absent, and mistakes are prone to be made. And are. And this botched war is just one of their more glaring examples of being out of touch. I am not a big fan of the USA per se, but I do live here, and so do a lot of devotees and their children, so I am sort of hoping against hope that it does not fail. But to be honest, this is not looking good.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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JAYAPATAKA UPDATE
PADA: OK so we told Jayapataka there is a child mistreatment problem in 1979. He said -- you get out of ISKCON, and take us to COURT if there is any issue with these kids. So I did, I had his program sued first for $3,000,000 -- and he lost. Then had to sued him again for $400,000,000, and he lost again (both times in Dallas). When he saw me in Los Angeles he ran at me shouting like a mad person. He was not happy I followed his order to take him to court, so I could save these kids?
Then I helped other cases with other documents, costing millions more. After all that, the Jayapataka people wrote to complain to me that I am costing them $100,000,000, and I am more expensive than the TOVP. When did Srila Prabhupada order the GBC gurus to spend $100,000,000 buying Armani suits and Mercedes for lawyers? I thought he said we should print books?
Anyway, as soon as we follow their orders, and stop their child mistreatment program in court, then they complain about the money, without even mentioning the trauma they are causing all these children. But yeah we won both times because their main goal of life is to buy Armani suits and Mercedes for lawyers. That is not the goal of the Krishna religion. The good news also is that when they sent their enforcers to place me in the morgue, the FEDS arrested their enforcers and that too cost them a lot of money, because their properties were then SWAT raided by the FEDS etc. They could just sit down and talk to me, but no, they would rather buy Armani suits for their meat eating lawyers. ys pd
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IRM (Krishna Kant)
Back To Prabhupada
ISKCON India ("II"), represented by its "scholars" board ("IISB"), recently launched a series of videos trying to refute The Final Order (TFO) and the position it sets forth, which IISB calls "rtvikism". They felt compelled to do this because, like ISKCON GBC gurus HH Jayadvaita Swami and HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami, they also recognised the position of TFO as being the "Bible" of accepting Srila Prabhupada's order that he is ISKCON's diksa guru:
"The Final Order on rtvikism, which is considered as the Bible for the rtviks. [...] godfather of rtvik."
Thus, even 30 years after TFO was requested by, and sent to, the GBC, ISKCON realises the only way to oppose Srila Prabhupada's position as ISKCON's diksa guru today is to try to refute TFO. The quotes in the shaded boxes above and below are taken from these IISB videos released between 16/5 and 2/6, 2025. PADA: The final order is not "the Bible" on the idea of worshiping a pure devotee as guru, this was already being discussed widely in Vedic Village Review and other places way before TFO was ever put together. TFO copied and pasted many of the citations already in use by us in the 1980s. Of course Krishna Kanta does get some credit for collating our citations and re-packaging them as TFO, which has helped the ritvik argument along in some areas.
Forever wrong about TFO
"The Final Order and basically in a nutshell that book propagated the idea that this letter of July 9th, 1977 was Srila Prabhupada's final order on initiations and suddenly because of that letter Prabhupada continues to be the guru forever and ever."
PADA: This "one letter": idea is also a big mistake. Srila Prabhupada says we have to worship a pure devotee in hundreds -- if not thousands -- of places, not just "in one letter." We were already saying Srila Prabhupada is the acharya in 1978 with no TFO to guide us.
This is a fabrication. TFO does not state that Srila Prabhupada will be the guru "forever". Here is what it actually states:
"Srila Prabhupada will be the initiator within ISKCON for as long as the Society is extant." (TFO, p. 81)
PADA: Well there is a big problem right there. Most of the official ISKCON properties right now are no longer even in the name of ISKCON, there is a slew of other newly formed charities. All of the official ISKCON has declared bankrupt in the USA.
Most of the remainder of what is left of ISKCON has been hijacked. We should say Srila Prabhupada will be worshiped as the acharya -- until or unless another proven self effulgent acharya appears, which may or may not happen. And he will be worshiped in or out of official ISKCON. It is not dependent on the Society being extant -- especially when the existence of the society is in such doubt and bad repair.
Thus, TFO only states that Srila Prabhupada will be the diksa guru for ISKCON, since he will also be the Acarya for ISKCON. Eternally wrong about TFO
"we find that that "henceforward" is not sanctioned to be considered as "into eternity.""
PADA: ISKCON is being dismantled, demolished and disintegrated and cannot be the standard for how long the acharya will be worshiped.
This refers to the fact that the July 9th, 1977 directive on initiations was to begin "henceforward". However, TFO does not claim that "henceforward" means "into eternity". Rather, it states:
"The specific word used, "henceforward", only has one meaning, viz. "from now onwards"." (TFO, p. 3)
Indeed, we even state in regard to the word "henceforward" that: "even if we take the word out of the letter, nothing has changed." (TFO, p. 3)
Thus, as before, IISB has simply addressed something TFO does not even state. More fabrication: Srila Prabhupada stated the "law of disciplic succession" in a letter to Tusta Krsna Dasa on 2/12/75 as follows:
"But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession." It is claimed by the IISB videos that we claim in TFO that this law was:
"somehow reversed by this July 9th letter." And that such a claim by us would be absurd because: "How is it possible? Why would Prabhupada write one thing and contradict himself?"
But we do not state the letter "reverses" the law. We do not state this because the law and the July 9th letter are not incompatible, as we will explain later on. For now, we can note how IISB, rather than answer TFO, has instead yet again just engaged in another fabrication about TFO.
In this way, large sections of the videos do not even attempt to address what TFO actually states, and therefore are completely irrelevant and thus useless in refuting TFO. There are only two times where the IISB videos directly quote and attempt to deal with what TFO states, and we address them next.
Illness doctrine defeated
"July 9th letter actually has list of 11, you know, rtviks assigned by Prabhupada who could do initiation when Prabhupada was not well." This "illness" argument addresses this quote from TFO given by the video: "the July 9th letter really is the final instruction on initiation within ISKCON" (TFO, p. xiv)
PADA: It is odd that the GBC people like Rupanuga and the India scholars board said that worship of the acharya is temporary -- only while he is ill. And then we should worship their assorted deviants, crooks, drunks, homosexuals, pedophiles and deviants as our acharyas.
Thus, IISB is trying to show that the July 9th directive giving the final system for initiations within ISKCON was not issued as a general directive on initiation for ISKCON, even though that is what the directive states. But that rather it was a temporary, one-off measure, instituted only to address Srila Prabhupada's inability to perform initiations due to being ill.
Hence, the temporary nature of the July 9th directive would be established by this "illness" doctrine ("ID"). However, this ID has already been defeated many times by us in previous BTPs, and again on page 4 of this issue. We will now show how it has also been defeated by IISB themselves. The Bureau is the governing body of ISKCON India, and they stated as part of a resolution, communicated on 25/11/19, that:
"ritvik (guru – as per the July 9 letter)".
ISKCON India Scholars Board
Thus, they state that the appointment of a rtvik in the July 9th letter was also the appointment of "guru". Which means that II believes the July 9th letter was not issued temporarily to deal with Srila Prabhupada's illness, but that it was issued to permanently appoint gurus. Thus, by II's own hand, the ID is demolished, and they must accept the permanent nature of the July 9th directive.
The fact that the July 9th directive does not even mention, nor actually appoint, "guru", does not change the fact that II deludedly believes that it does! The net result is that IISB cannot claim the "illness" objection to TFO's central thesis that the July 9th directive is the final instruction for initiations within ISKCON.
Recycling the defeated
The one other time the IISB videos deal with answering what TFO states is a quote from pages 18-19, wherein TFO speaks about the private letters Srila Prabhupada wrote to those who were "ambitious" to become diksa gurus even in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. IISB's response is to claim that we are claiming Srila Prabhupada "lies" to the devotees concerned. The exact same argument was already made previously by the same IISB member making the claims here, and we already refuted these "lying" claims in BTP 79, and they can be read here:
iskconirm.com/lies
There we show we are not claiming that Srila Prabhupada is lying. Lying projection: We can show, however, that IISB actually does believe Srila Prabhupada is lying.
a) One of the private letters written by Srila Prabhupada, in which the IISB videos falsely claim that we are stating Srila Prabhupada is telling "lies", is a letter to Tusta Krsna Dasa, dated 2/12/75, in which the "law of disciplic succession" that we quoted earlier is stated. However, the letter also refers to being applicable to all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples by stating "every student" and "my disciples". And the IISB videos claim that this "law" is an order for diksa gurus, and that it is "the final decision of initiations".
Which would mean that, according to IISB, this letter would be authorising female diksa gurus ("FDG"). But IISB has already rejected FDG as a deviation, as we have documented in earlier issues. And, thus, they would have to believe that Srila Prabhupada was "lying" when he referred to "every student" and "my disciples" in this letter.
b) Also, the "law", as we quoted earlier, states that one can only become a diksa guru after the "disappearance" of one's own guru. But ISKCON has authorised numerous diksa gurus in the physical presence of their own spiritual masters. Thus, if IISB believed in the "law", it would have launched a campaign against such "granddisciple gurus", as they are in violation of the "law", which according to IISB was the "final decision of initiations". After all, as we saw in the case of FDG, IISB will launch a campaign against gurus if they believe they are not authorised. But IISB has not launched such a campaign in this case, showing they do not even "believe" in the law, and have only invoked it to try to oppose TFO.
No limitation or incompatibility
In regard to this law, it is further claimed:
"what that does is that naturally limits the July 9th letter to the lifetime of Prabhupada."
However, the law only states when it is possible for a disciple to become a diksa guru: "in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples"
It therefore states nothing about when the existing diksa guru must cease acting as a diksa guru himself, since the "law" only states "you can", not "must", accept disciples. Thus, the law does not limit Srila Prabhupada to only acting as the diksa guru during his lifetime. Therefore, the July 9th directive, which states that Srila Prabhupada continues to act as ISKCON's diksa guru, is not limited to Srila Prabhupada's lifetime, as claimed above.
Nor does the July 9th directive change the fact that a guru's physical absence is the only time period in which it is possible for a disciple to become a diksa guru. Thus, just because it may not become necessary to exercise this law, does not mean the law is being discarded or contradicted. So the law and the July 9th directive are not incompatible, nor does one "reverse" or "supersede" the other.
Srila Prabhupada declared deviant
We have dealt with basically all the arguments claimed by IISB to be from Srila Prabhupada that supposedly terminate the July 9th directive. One other relevant quote from Srila Prabhupada offered by the IISB videos was the quote from October 18th, 1977, which was already answered on page 4.
An extremely large portion of the videos deal instead with going outside Srila Prabhupada's actual statements and claiming to offer evidence from: the leaders of organisations outside ISKCON, tradition, and "sastra". But what outside leaders may say is irrelevant to what Srila Prabhupada ordered. This can only be determined by examining Srila Prabhupada's orders themselves! And "tradition" will be shown in the next article as not being able to prevent Srila Prabhupada from continuing as ISKCON's diksa guru.
The arguments from "sastra" are self-defeating because they would mean that what IISB accepts Srila Prabhupada did order would also not be sastric. For example, they claim "sastra" states:
"First thing is this name-giving ceremony is done by an Acarya. [...] so the representative cannot give the name. [...] The Acarya should tell [...] Rtvik Prabhu, I thought of this name [...] This much communication must be there from Acarya to representative."
Thus, it is emphatically claimed that a spiritual name cannot be given by the rtvik representative, but rather must only be given by the Acarya or diksa guru. But IISB accepts that the July 9th directive is a valid document authorised by Srila Prabhupada, and this states the exact opposite, that the representative alone gives the spiritual name:
"After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name".
Thus, in their desperation to defeat TFO using "sastra", they have only ended up claiming that it is Srila Prabhupada himself who has deviated from sastra!
The Final Order
Final order delivers final nail
PADA: The Final Order is simply one of many tools currently being used to re-focus the worship on Srila Prabhupada. Some new bhakta just wrote to PADA and he said their temple has had so many GBC gurus come and go, there is no incentive to worship any one of them now. It is "revolving door" gurus. So he is going to worship Srila Prabhupada.
I think that is the direction it is heading no matter what. That being said, Krishna Kant has some strange obsession with his idea that we cannot conduct ritvik initiations until we convince the GBC to do them for us. What if the GBC never does? He does not seem to have a plan B.
KK originally wanted me to work under Jayapataka and take a vacation in the Caribbean under the loving care of JPS, so he has had secret meetings with them. But I fail to see any positive result. Worse, I never would have returned alive from KK's Caribbean vacation. I would have probably been sliced up with machetes and fed to the Caribbean sharks. He is a little naive, or compromised, or in league with the bad guys, but his ideas are not completely correct. Anyway yeah, there is no other order, worship the pure devotee is the only order -- full time and all the time. ys pd
PADA: It looks like a lot of these "senior devotees" like Jadurani, Srutakirti, Rupanuga, Satsvarupa, Hari sauri etc. are cashing in on their status as former servants of Srila Prabhupada. But if these folks were so dedicated to Srila Prabhupada, how did ISKCON go up in smoke almost immediately after 1978?
And now these people are sort of guru wanna-be big shot authorities. As for Jadurani going to Narayan Maharaja -- wait -- when the manure hit the fan, NM was a prime person shoveling manure into the fan -- hanging out with his BFF GBC gurus.
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PADA: Good question prabhu, why does the GBC allow all this foolishness? Ummm, because these people are the GBC, or they control the GBC. All this feet touching stuff is also not authorized. Yeah this looks total cult-like whacked and intelligent people are not going to join this crazyness, and worship these fools. It will always be their fiefdom little cults. Agreed! ys pd
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PADA: Thanks for sending JJ. Yeah he looks like he is suffering. These guys think they can absorb karma like Jesus. Nope! This is Hari Parshad's guru, no wonder he is with the GBC clod hopper's guru system.
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Ron Singh / HKC Jaipur / Mukunda UK / Prahlad / Mathura Pati etc.
PADA: Yep prabhu! Thanks for the question, what is the response from these folks? OK there is none, same as the GBC. These Ron Singh and HKC Jaipur ilk guys are making videos with Naranarayan NNV -- who says the ritviks are -- poison slimy snakes -- while claiming to be pro-ritviks. So this is called hypocrisy. And the HKC clan made another video with Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa.
Then they are quoting Bhavananda's cheer leader Hari Sauri. Then, after the HKC Jaipur folks like Prahlad das crammed Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta Dasa's video forward to me about 100 times, HKC Jaipur Dayalu Nitai responds "I don't know who Bhakta dasa is." But we told them Bhakta supports Saint Radhanath over and over?
They have no idea who and what they are promoting? The GBC also says the same thing, well we did not know this guy was a pedophile. Yeah but we told you he was about 1,000 times.
And they clearly promoted the Naranaryan NNV video, the same person who says ritviks are poison slimy snakes. They make videos with these anti-ritvik people, or worse pro-GBC pedo guru people, and cram these videos down PADA's and everyone else's throat. Then they are infuriated PADA is not promoting their videos. Then they claim -- they have no idea who and what they are promoting?
Sorry, they know VERY WELL who and what they are promoting. It really comes down to, PADA caught them with their hands in the poison slimy snake ritviks and pedophile guru boosting cookie jar. Now they have chocolate cookie mess smeared all over their faces, but "I did not touch these cookies, honest." Sheesh!
No, you did touch these cookies! Hee hee. So they are not honest people, it is that simple. And that is why they hold a grudge. So do the GBC folks as well. But no, I do not expect a reply from the anti-ritvik and pro-pedophile guru folks, because there is no good response. My job is to expose them, and keep other people from falling into their process. Then there is Purujit, and he advertises GBC people like Jayapataka holding his book. OK then! ys pd
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VEDABASE IMBROGLIO
About the Prahlad Nrsimha Vedabase Icon
Prahlad of vedabase.io has expressed his concern about the copyright of his icon and has decided to report the hosting platform where vedabase.cc is hosted. Surprisingly, he is willing to risk the only source of the original books of Srila Prabhupada to protect his own ridiculous icon.
This situation highlights his lack of ethics. Prahlad is so concerned about his icon, while continuing to distribute Srila Prabhupada's books with thousands of unauthorised modifications by His Divine Grace. This deceives devotees around the world, making them believe they are receiving the original versions.
If he really cares about the copyright issue, why does he offer the mutilated books of Srila Prabhupada on his website? This is not a minor matter. I invite you to check the horrendous number of changes by yourself at:
AI is going to save America and create hundreds of thousands of jobs!
PADA: Well not so fast. First of all AI is used to manage robotics, which replaces people's jobs -- including here-- the robotics taxis to get rid of our city taxi drivers jobs. Next problem, AI uses a lot of water and power of which the USA is in short supply. Next problem, China is already offering multiple FREE AI sites that don't charge any money, making it harder to make a profit from AI.
Next problem, investing in AI from Wall Street siphons money that could be used to make real manufacturing of real products. Next problem, AI is being used to monitor public cameras all over the place that are doing surveillance on people. It is looking like a 1984 Big Brother monitoring process.
Next problem, there are forest fires all over the planet from climate change and making electrical power for AI creates a lot of carbon output, which is not good for the climate, and so on! But the oligarchs want us to believe AI is going to save us, but -- it won't. OK it looks like it could be creating a lot of problems instead.
And some Bible thumping folks are saying -- AI is the mark of Satan and the Beast --- heh heh heh. But I think the public is starting to push back on these big AI projects, because it is starting to be seen as more of a menace than a help for humanity.
The good news? Some devotees said when they type in questions about ISKCON or ISKCON leaders -- then the AI often cites -- PADA's info! That must be giving the GBC guys a headache! ys pd
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RONALD SINGH (Oroville)
PADA: Well sorry prabhu -- if PADA is making his Oroville program suffer. However since Ronald Singh's pal Naranaryan Visvakarma is saying "PADA is destroying the sacred golden body of ISKCON," that is making me a target for violence or even death. "Go get the offender to the golden body." That means his program is trying to harm my program, or even my life. The Vedic principle is -- we have a right to defend ourselves, or maybe even a duty to do so.
PADA's advice? We have to be completely untethered away from the pedophile messiah's project and its defenders, or we are implicated, that is my -- not so humble -- opinion. NNV says "the ritviks are slimy poison snakes." Does he want to make us ritviks targets -- or not? Need I say more? Of course then the HKC Jaipur people became disciples of "the ritviks are slimy poison snakes" program, because they are all on the same page. But yeah, they are not actual ritviks.
ys pd
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IRAN IS A MESS
PADA: Yeah one patriot missile can only be built -- one time -- in a day, and we are using up to 250 a day in Iran, so we are creating a huge shortage of our own supplies. Thad anti-aircraft missiles supplies are even worse, a few made per month. So yeah, our plan to totally deplete our military is working out good, for our opponents.
Iran is using $15,00 drones to make us use multi-million counter anti-drones, so they are basically draining our resources down, and it is working good for them. The Russians are also supplying Iran with weapons, so their weapons are getting better.
Dick Cheney said this Iran problem can only be fixed with 500,000 soldiers on the ground, but better is 1,000,000 boots. Iran is 1 and 1/2 the size of California, lots of boots would be needed. I don't think we have sent in 2 boots in so far? In any case we are a long way from getting 1M boots there, so it is more or less a stalemate unless we get our act together.
The commander in charge of all this said -- we are going to bomb the effing sh*t out of the Iranians. Great plan, then they bomb the effing sh*t out of the entire gulf area and then millions of people will have no power, water and no desalinized plants. And the oil production will be destroyed. There will be a giant humanitarian crisis of people dying of no water. That is the plan? That is what I thought was the plan!
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Nimāi Nitāi Dāsa
July 25
Are Śrīla Prabhupāda’s Edited Books Really “Poison”?
A Philosophical Examination
The discussion surrounding Śrīla Prabhupāda’s edited books has become increasingly polarized. Many devotees rightly desire to preserve the original editions. However, some have gone further and concluded that the edited books are spiritually “poison,” incapable of producing genuine devotees.
Below is a message sent to one devotee who sees post '77 books as poison:
Hare Kṛṣṇa Prabhu. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
I am replying on behalf of the ISKM management and His Grace Sundar Gopāla Prabhu. Our understanding of this issue is based on guru, śāstra and sādhu. We shall answer for the benefit of those who may have doubts.
The issue is not “accept every edit” or “reject every edited book.” One may reject unauthorized edits while still accepting that the remaining unchanged teachings retain their transcendental potency.
The essence of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s original books is the original siddhānta. The wording serves to convey that siddhānta, but it is the siddhānta that must never be changed.
You stated that “anything after 1977 is not authorised.” That is not entirely accurate. The changes themselves were not authorized, but the vast majority of those changes consist of synonyms, grammar, punctuation and stylistic alterations.
You quoted one dangerous change yesterday:
“Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society.”
The last part of that sentence was indeed added. There are a few other changes of that nature which suggest a particular agenda. We ourselves pointed out one in our video concerning the ṛtvik system, found in the introduction to the Caitanya-caritāmṛta.
Such changes cannot spoil all of the remaining nectar found throughout Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books, for knowledge about Kṛṣṇa is nondifferent from Him.
“By our material calculation we see a difference between the name and the substance, but in the spiritual world the Absolute is always absolute: the name, form, qualities and pastimes of the Absolute are all as good as the Absolute Himself.”
— Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā 8.16, Purport
I copied the above quotation from an edited edition of the Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Has it now become poison simply because of the edition from which it was copied?
To maintain such a conclusion requires an additional unsupported assumption. In logic this is called an ad hoc hypothesis.
For example:
Claim: “All swans are white.”
Counterexample: “Here is a black swan.”
Ad hoc response: “Black swans don’t count because they are spiritually white.”
Likewise, your position requires another unsupported assumption: devotees who came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness through the edited books must somehow be less sincere.
Where does Śrīla Prabhupāda teach that Kṛṣṇa measures sincerity by which edition of a book someone happens to receive?
You asked:
“What kind of devotees are they making?”
You first have to prove that sincere devotees cannot come through the edited books. Otherwise, saying that they must be inferior devotees is simply an unsupported assumption.
Our position requires no additional theories; The books contain unauthorized edits. Many of those edits should be corrected. The philosophy remains substantially intact. Kṛṣṇa reciprocates with sincerity.
Your position also requires another unsupported assumption—that Kṛṣṇa deliberately withholds the original books from sincere souls.
Where did Śrīla Prabhupāda teach that?
The existence of unauthorized edits does not logically entail that the books are spiritually poisonous.
Śrīla Prabhupāda writes:
“The transcendental subject matter of Vedic literature is still spiritually potent despite the crudest translation; still, because we have the facility to make it perfect, that is our philosophy.”
— Letter to Haṁsadūta, Jaipur, 20 January 1972
Notice what Śrīla Prabhupāda says. He says we should strive for perfection, correct mistakes and avoid printing errors. He does not say that such mistakes render transcendental literature spiritually useless.
On the contrary, he says the subject matter remains spiritually potent.
If the crudest translation remains spiritually potent, how can a translation containing mostly synonym and grammatical changes become spiritually poisonous?
Likewise, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.5.11 states:
“Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.”
In the purport, Śrīla Prabhupāda writes:
“After all, it is a technical science of spiritual values, and thus we are concerned with the techniques and not with the language. If the techniques of this great literature are understood by the people of the world, there will be success.”
This shows that the faithful application of the philosophy is what must be preserved. Language is the vehicle; siddhānta is the destination.
Suppose someone changes “must” to “should.” That is an editorial change.
Suppose someone changes “Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead” into “the impersonal Brahman is supreme.” That is a change of siddhānta.
These two are not remotely equivalent.
Likewise, suppose one edition says, “Always remember Kṛṣṇa,” and another says, “Constantly remember Kṛṣṇa.” The wording differs, but the siddhānta remains unchanged.
The essence of “As It Is” is not every English synonym.
The essence of “As It Is” is the faithful transmission of siddhānta.
You repeatedly state that there are thousands of changes. Whether there are ten changes or ten thousand changes is not the issue. The real question is whether those changes have altered the fundamental siddhānta of Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavism. Quantity alone is not proof.
Please distinguish between changes in English wording and changes in siddhānta. Can you demonstrate that the latter exist on a scale sufficient to justify calling the books “poison”?
Śrīla Prabhupāda himself made this distinction:
“So the verses of Bhagavad-gītā are so simple that there is no question of interpretation. Unfortunately, I have seen that in Bhagavad-gītā commented by a great scholar like Dr. Radhakrishnan, the verse is translated very nicely, and that is done by an Englishman, but he interprets in a different way.”
— Interview, Los Angeles, February 12, 1969
Śrīla Prabhupāda used Dr. Radhakrishnan’s translation while preaching in the beginning of the movement. In fact, some of the translations found in the 1972 Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, such as Bhagavad-gītā 3.43, are taken from that translation. His objection was not to the English wording but to the philosophical interpretation.
Likewise, Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote:
“English translation of Caitanya-caritāmṛta by Nogen Roy have been seen by me. There is no commentary and therefore it can be read. Anyway there is no harm reading simply the translation.”
— Letter to Rayarama (Satsvarūpa), San Francisco, March 30, 1967
From this we can understand that simply reading a translation is not the issue. The real danger lies in philosophical deviation, not in every difference of wording.
You state that “the philosophy has changed considerably.”
The burden of proof therefore rests upon you. Please demonstrate changes in the fundamental siddhānta of Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavism, rather than merely differences in wording.
You also state that by reading an edited book, using an app, or visiting a website maintained by those who have acted improperly, one “will certainly take on unwanted karma.”
I respectfully ask: where does Śrīla Prabhupāda teach this?
This conclusion overlooks one of the most fundamental principles of bhakti—that Kṛṣṇa is a person who actively reciprocates with the sincerity of His devotees, bhāva-grāhī janārdana.
We are not dealing with an impersonal machine where the result is produced merely by the external wording on a page. We are dealing with Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who resides within everyone’s heart as Paramātmā and reveals Himself to sincere souls.
Kṛṣṇa says:
teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam
dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ yena mām upayānti te
To those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.
mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca
I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.
Even if some tinge of fault were present, why should we believe that Kṛṣṇa would be unkind, uncondescending, or partial in bestowing His mercy upon a sincere soul who genuinely desires to serve Him?
Characteristically, the Supreme Personality of Godhead does not take seriously an offense committed by a pure devotee. The Lord accepts whatever small service a devotee renders as being such a great service that He is prepared to give even Himself, not to speak of other benedictions.
-CC Antya.1.107
If the Lord overlooks even offenses committed by His sincere devotees, why should we conclude that He would refuse to reveal Himself to a sincere soul simply because that person happened to receive an edition containing unauthorized edits? Such a conclusion places greater emphasis on external circumstances than on Kṛṣṇa’s personal mercy and reciprocation.
You mention “what is the qualification of these men you are defending, homosexuals, murderers…”
as though defending the transcendental potency of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books means defending those individuals.
These are two entirely different issues.
A person’s misconduct does not logically determine whether every sentence in an edited book has lost its spiritual potency.
Yet Śrīla Prabhupāda never taught such a principle.
On the contrary, he approved reading books written by devotees with whom he had serious disagreements. Regarding his Godbrother Rāghava Caitanya dāsa, who had deviated from the order of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, Śrīla Prabhupāda was asked whether his book The Divine Name could be read.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “It’s called The Divine Name. It is by one of your Godbrothers.”
Prabhupāda: “Oh yes.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “Is it all right to read it?”
Prabhupāda: “Oh yes. There are some discrepancies, but, on the whole, it is nice… Yes, Rāghava Caitanya. Yes, he was my Godbrother… Oh. That’s good. That’s nice.”
-Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamāla Kṛṣṇa—August 4, 1969, Los Angeles
Likewise, if a devotee falls from devotional service, it does not follow that every book he edited has become spiritually poisonous.
We judge each edit on its own merits.
You also imply that we are turning a blind eye to this issue. That is simply not true.
ISKM Montreal has already printed 3,000 copies of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s original French books. We have attempted to obtain original English editions through Krishna Store, but they are no longer printing them. We are also having discussions regarding printing originals in China. We are also developing an application containing the original editions.
Most importantly, we continue preaching.
The priority should be to train sincere devotees who understand this issue properly. As ISKM expands, so will the opportunity to restore and print the original editions on a larger scale.
Until then, preaching cannot stop simply because original English books are not readily available.
Our duty is to continue giving Kṛṣṇa consciousness while simultaneously working toward preserving Śrīla Prabhupāda’s original editions.
We are not choosing between preserving Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books and preaching. We are doing both according to our present capacity.
I sincerely hope you can see where your philosophical conclusion differs from Śrīla Prabhupāda's teachings, as demonstrated above. I also pray that you may kindly take the association of the devotees in ISKM, rather than relying primarily on articles and opinions scattered across the internet.
By Kṛṣṇa's mercy, His Grace Sundar Gopāla Prabhu has trained hundreds of devotees who are actively pushing forward Śrīla Prabhupāda's movement As It Is, despite having very limited resources, having no financial scale like ISKCON, and often facing strong opposition.
I say this from personal experience. Before taking the association of His Grace Sundar Gopāla Prabhu, I also misunderstood this issue. Through his guidance, my understanding gradually changed. Therefore, my sincere prayer is that no one develops the same fault-finding mentality that I once had, but instead learns to appreciate the sincerity of devotees while simultaneously working to preserve Śrīla Prabhupāda's legacy in the proper spirit.
Hare Kṛṣṇa!
All Glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
Your servant,
Nimāi Nitāi dāsa
JP: We can examine the core arguments through the lens of Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava siddhānta, śāstra, and the specific instructions of Śrīla Prabhupāda. The Distinction Between Awakening Faith and Achieving Perfection (Śraddhā vs. Dīkṣā)
The changed books can spark a genuine seeker's interest and awaken initial faith (śraddhā), but spiritual perfection requires taking shelter of a bona fide guru who initiates or binds himself to delivering the seeker and the seeker into a path which will deliver the seeker at a ceremony with vows.
In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (1.5.11), it is noted that even imperfectly composed transcendental literatures are heard and accepted by purified men because they speak of the Supreme Lord. However, the Bhāgavatam (11.3.21) explicitly mandates—
tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam "Anyone who is seriously desirous of real happiness must seek out a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation."
The changed books act as the initial medium to awaken the dormant soul, but Kṛṣṇa consciousness is a science of paramparā (disciplic succession). A book alone—especially one with unauthorized alterations—cannot substitute for the living guidance of a bona fide spiritual master who properly represents the siddhānta.
The Vāṇī (sound vibration/instructions) of the pure devotee is more prominent than vapuḥ (physical association), and that original, uncompromised books offer the Vāṇī "as-it-is, the Guru living in sound vibration. Śrīla Prabhupāda always stressed and established the principle of Vāṇī over Vapuḥ during his final days, emphasizing that his presence would always be felt through his instructions in his books and lectures.
When unauthorized editors alter the text to fit institutional or personal agendas, they risk substituting the pure Vāṇī ( the sound acharya) of the ācārya with human speculation, the acharya is lost but the siddhantas ethics etc remain to guide even they become adulterated. While a sincere soul can still extract devotional sentiment (bhāva) from the remnants of truth, the unadulterated Vāṇī provides the exact, undiluted medicinal potency required to cut through material illusion and situate himself perfectly and in purity of the Vani guru.
The Danger of Unauthorized Authority and Guru-Imposture or individuals posing as gurus—stealing the śikṣā of the bona fide guru and usurping the position of dīkṣā—directly addresses a major historical deviation within the post-1977 movement (premature guru systems).
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (6.1.40) and various Vaiṣṇava texts warn against accepting unqualified or unauthorized spiritual guides who deviate from the authorized disciplic stream.
Impostors who exploit a spiritual movement or misappropriate the legacy of the pure ācārya for personal prestige place themselves and their followers in a perilous spiritual position. True shelter must be taken in a bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa, not someone who merely leverages an edited platform or institutional title without authentic spiritual realization.
I don’t dismiss sincere devotees who came through edited books, and acknowledge that Kṛṣṇa reciprocates with the sincere seeker's heart (bhāva-grāhī janārdana). But I insist that medium matters, because the ultimate goal is complete surrender to Kṛṣṇa under the guidance of a bona fide guru through unadulterated knowledge given specifically by the bona fide guru which makes him responsible for delivering the soul.
Why does Krishna need to come again and again in the material realm? ( BG 4:7-8 ) When people forget the path of righteousness or the path become compromised and corrupted — He appears in every millennium to REESTABLISH the path. So how the paths get compromised corrupted or lost ?. It happens by whimsical misrepresentation interpretation of Krishna and his pure devotee, the Acharya’s word who endeavor to keep the DHARMA INTACT.
In the last paragraph, a sane person can see why the changed books, even a changed comma is not favored because this sets the precedence of corruption of DHARMA. Now ask yourselves what is right and wrong…, even utilizing these changed books is sin and becoming a party with corrupters of the Acharya’s words. Corrupting the Srila Prabhupada’s books is same as corrupting Krishna’s Bhagvata Gita.
SD: Haribol well said prabhu! All glories to Srila Prabhupada
JT: Srila Prabhupada's books were his life and soul. He gave so many warnings not to change anything. This offence of changing his books is the most grievous. It is even worse than poisoning him. Now after killing his vapu, then outlawing taking diksha from him, now they are trying to erase his vani form.
The book change issue is the most important as these changes will continue and once they are gone they are gone and the parampara is lost. Stand up and defend Prabhupada's books. There is a court case taking place right now after the asuras tried to have websites with digitalized original books taken down. Changing the Acharya's books which he so painstakingly came to give us, is the most wicked offence. It is even more wicked than the abuse taking place. It's that serious.
KS: very well said prabhu. JAYA JAYA SRILA PRABHUPADA 🙏❤️🙏
JT: On the principle that we don't hear the Mahamantra being chanted by an offensive person, because milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects, so also have the pages of Srila Prabhupada's books now been tainted with Jayadvaita's poison.
As just one example of this, we can look at BG 6.31.
ORIGINAL:
"The yogī who knows that I and the Supersoul within all creatures are one worships Me and remains always in Me in all circumstances."
CHANGED:
"Such a yogī, who engages in the worshipful service of the Supersoul, knowing that I and the Supersoul are one, remains always in Me in all circumstances."
That's a massive change, and one that takes the reader away from personal worship of Bhagavan Sri Krishna, and directs them toward worship of Paramatma instead.
So while there may still be some potency in the unchanged parts of the books, there are also poison and misconceptions that are delivered in the same spoonful.
KS: HDG SRILA PRABHUPADA,S WORDS ARE DIVINE.They can’t be mixed with material words . HARI BOL🙏
Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.5.11, Purport): Prabhupada noted that transcendental literature presented even with broken language or grammatical flaws is still adored by saintly persons because it glorifies the Supreme Lord, cautioning against artificial amendments by external mental speculators
PADA: Yep, when I was in Texas suing Tamal for $400,000,000, Narayan Maharaja was also in Texas yelling at my associates for challenging Tamal. And he was calling me an aparadhi "ritvik poison" etc. NM was Tamal's chief bucket boy. Then later NM invited me to his ashram to discuss all this, and he left me sitting from 830 am to 530, and he fled out the back door without seeing me.
Why? Because he was in a frenzy to go meet with Kirtanananda in India and give him hugs. Yep, he only has time to meet with his predators pals and their enablers. He was Tamal's biggest cheer leader and that explains why we had to sue them, they would not listen to our complaints of child mistreatment and they had us exiled out (and hunted for extermination). The courts said this was the worst case of child mistreatment ever recorded here, and NM was their program cheer leader. ys pd
RONALD SINGH (Oroville): Who do you consider your “my associates”? Are you their guru or have some sort coalition you have which is known to be following your directions and orders?
PADA: I don't always mention the names of "my associates" without their express permission, because they can become targets of harassing. Of course if someone challenges us publicly, that is public info already.
And thus a lot of people ask me NOT to post their names. People send me stuff to publish all the time and I generally ask if they want their names published. Not everyone does, some of our associates don't always want to have their name out there and I try to respect that.
I also do not give the names of the hundreds of kids associated with the lawsuit for the same reasons. I am also not sure how the lawsuit is "unknown" to anyone since it was all in the newspapers for several years. The idea that child mistreatment is is a crime is also NOT my own idea, nor am I the guru of that idea.
People like Kamsa were mistreating children way back at the time of Krishna and it was known to be evil way back then, I am just forwarding the message. It is an eternal principle and it not my idea whatever, it is Krishna's idea. Narayan Maharaja was against me at the time, and that is because he is Tamal's defender.
Then Naranarayan Visvakarma (Zakheim) also joined Narayan Maharaja opposing me on the child abuse lawsuit, they are a coalition that wanted to see these ISKCON children suffer all the more, and that is why we had to sue their program in the first place.
Notice that GBC guru defense people have been sending me quotes from these pedo defenders clan folks like NNV, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati, Mukunda UK, IRM, Prahlad das etc. attacking me for saving children. That clearly shows whose side they are really on -- and it is not the children's. Meanwhile some of the victims have told me these guys are on the wrong side, and they have made things worse for children. Well yup!
I was very alarmed to notice that you began to promote Naranarayan Visvakarma as your shiksha guru -- and you made all sorts of videos with him, despite me telling you REPEATEDLY: he opposes us saving children from being beaten and raped; he is a serial woman abuser himself; he has been reported to have -- not only -- beaten women but also raped them and etc. OK it looks like -- he is a violent serial womanizing misogynist exploiter of females, verified to me by a few victims. Of course the Japanese girl who had an abortion left without much comment.
Never mind my coalition, we should identify "the coalition" that has tried to suppress PADA on the child abuse issue, and other issues. Naranaryan Visvakarma (Zakheim) started a forum to have PADA "removed from the internet" and the reasons are rather obvious, he is the self annointed leader of helping the GBC's goonda squad gurus by opposing us, and shutting us down, and attacking us vociferously as "destroying the golden body of ISKCON" (his pedophile messiah pals project) which enables and assists the molester messiah's program.
NNV was always at the Watseka temple restaurant hanging out with the GBC guys. We know who he prefers to associate with. I also believe that for all the de facto sexual molesting, if not physically violent beating and psychological punishing / torture and harming Vaishnava females as NNV did, he will be spending a long, long, long time in the darker punishing realms of the lower planets, because no one is allowed to harm even an ordinary woman or child, never mind Krishna's personal Vaishnava servant ladies. Never mind saying his pedo pals program is "the golden body of ISKCON."
This is never to be done even in ordinary karmi moral standards, never mind as Vaishnavas. I am sorry that so many devotees overlook these exploiters, misogynists, if not violent aggressors on females as "advanced devotees," when they behave like sub-human neanderthal low class thugs against women.
NNV also tries to discredit PADA by telling people -- PADA is a liar -- and even a child molester. WTF? We are saying children are being molested, and his discrediting us helps whom? -- the molesters. And then NNV got the HKC Jaipur guys to repeat him, and repeat the pedophiles, it (child molesting) is all PADA's lies.
If I am reporting child molesting, and it is being suppressed as all lies, then how can we pretend to wonder why several thousand children are victims? We all know why all these kids are victims: the kids and their advocates like us were smashed and squashed. Sorry, the pedophiles are saying it is all lies, and when these NNV / HKC Jaipur people repeat the pedophiles, then the pedophiles win by default, and they did.
And therefore no surprise, they are also against PADA, because we defend women and children and these exploiters despise having their agenda exposed. I also know more than a few people -- including some of the victims -- who were glad NNV departed. And that is what I was trying to tell you over and over -- don't hook your horse to his wagon. In sum, I think you should start to examine your associations and not be too concerned with mine.
Lastly, it looks like some of our other associates left some of their books at your building. And then when they asked to retrieve their books, you stopped them and confiscated their books. These kinds of things are considered as low class bickering, stealing, back biting and double dealing, which are symptoms of Kali Yuga and not devotional people.
You are also simultaneous attracted to the serial womanizing -- women beating -- pedophile defenders -- and that is not a good sign either. So it is starting to look like the crooks and thugs, anti-children misogynist agenda of the GBC has sneaked into the so-called ritvik camp. And we should not allow this in either the GBC camp, or ours.
But you never even asked me in all this time for my side of the whole NNV thing, because you are in lock step with that agenda evidently. Anyway for the record, I have no interest in being anyone's guru, or taking any form of anyone's karma, or being in charge of any of this sh*t show dog and pony circus act.
It is too much out of control as it is, and my input won't change that a whole lot. I think I will pass on taking the post of big time boss in this whole imbroglio. As one devotee lady told me, I cannot go to the temples anymore, and if I want to be depressed, I will watch a horror movie.
I'm also out. But I will make commentary on it from time to time. Hee hee! Anyway, I wish you well, but this has to be cleaned up if we are to move ahead.
PADA: OMG this Hari Parshad fellow says, the ISKCON institution is made up of regular Joe folks like you and me, so we have to expect that there will be problems, fall downs and quarrels etc. Wait? The institution has been comprised of over 100 pure devotee / perfected / paramahamsa / Vishnupada / acharyas, and rasika perfect acharyas who are assisting the gopis no less. They are assisting the gopis, and thus they are regular "human beings just like you and me."
Hari Parshad's guru Radha Govinda das Maharaja's Vyasa pooja is advertised on ISKCON Vrndavana's video web site. Yep, there you have it, the people who bury homosexual pedophiles and porno swamis in the dham are with his group. Why don't these people know their homosexuals and pedophiles bogus messiahs should not be buried near the samadhis of the Goswamis and others?
Hari Prarshad says we need to understand the Goswamis, when an ordinary mundane news media person asks PADA "what exactly is homosexual pedophile samadhi"? That means an ordinary news media person knows more than their whole assembly, including Radha Govinda Das Maharaja, put together.
"We should respect all traditions," which is why we ban, beat, sue and kill anyone who worships Srila Prabhupada. OK we respect everyone EXCEPT the people who worship Prabhupada. They have to be beaten with shoes, and we should spend $20,000,000 fighting to remove them from their temples. But we do NOT spend even a penny removing the worst case bogus gurus in India! They get to stay!
How can regular Joe people like you and me be worshiped as good as God gurus? I forgot, most of their good as God acharyas fell down, blooped and etc. So every day we sing that the guru is eternally engaged in assisting the gopis, and at the same time, he is drinking Vodka and having sex with half dozen female disciples. WTF?
Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks gurus are ordinary men is a resident of naraka, or hell. It is amazing that ISKCON folks keep saying it is common for acharyas to fall into material deviations, and in fact most of their acharyas have done so. And that is because -- eternal gopi assisting acharyas are regular Joe peons like you and me. I have also seen photos where Hari Parshad is hanging out with ISKCON dignitaries like Sacinandana swami, Jayadvaita and Dravida etc.
OK Jayadvaita says the ISKCON gurus are falling down into illicit sex with men, women and maybe children, and that is the standard for the guru associates of Krishna. (???) The Hari Parsad program gurus are having sex with everyone in the house, and maybe rubbing the house cat on their genitals, as one of Jayadvaita's gurus was allegedly doing. And that is the standard for Krishna's successor gurus?
And these are the guru associates of Krishna, engaged in assisting the conjugal affairs of God no less, as they are praised daily with their guruv - astakam prayers, annual guru poojas etc. Where do they come up with all this garbage? The guru is an assistant to God, therefore he is having sex with men, women, children, and -- maybe -- cats? And these Hari Parsad and Sridhara Srinivasa ICC folks are VEDIC scholars, allegedly, but they do not know this is wrong? But any hamburger eating USA citizen already knows, illicit sex with men, women and children is NOT guru.
Never mind, oh oh -- their gurus are not even regular Joe citizens like you and me. You and me regular Joes are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. And we think that behavior is disgusting and sinful, and not the pastimes of God's guru associates. Their gurus are more degraded than us regular Joe people.
Of course even the fallen regular Joe people who engage in illicit sex do NOT ever think this is the behavior of God's eternal associate acharyas. They know better than the entire Hari Prashad group -- never mind mixing fallen guru behavior with God's conjugal gopis. This is a GIANT INSULT to the gopis.
OK and Hari Parshad is giving lectures on entering RASA, at the same time the RASA gurus in his program are sometimes drunks and debauchees. Mixing mundane sex, and the principle of eternal rasa with Krishna, and gurus, and Krishna's successors etc. is called sahajiya (cheap imitation) by Srila Prabhupada. And furthermore, the mixing of debauchees and rasika program's sahajiyas have destroyed the Krishna faith in Bengal, and maybe everywhere else. And that is why Srila Prabhupada says, these sahajiyas -- are gliding to hell.
And Srila Prabhupada says this process "dragged all of Bengal to hell." At the same time people like Jayadvaita and others are promoting Lokanath as an acharya, and he is a known predator of an 11 years old girl. And Kirtanananda, a known homosexual pedophile, is buried in a samadhi etc. So all sorts of children have to become victims for their program to work.
Then we have the Hari Parshad issue of the individual and the institution. OK an individual like me tells Jayapataka the children are suffering under their program, and moreover telling children to worship debauchees is corrupting the morals of minors. And then he just kicks me out, and tells me to take this to court.
So then we have his program sued for $3M and later $400M. And then JPS sees me in LA and he runs at me screaming like a stuck pig. He is angry that I am saving children from being starved, beaten, molested and committing suicide in his process. Then later his followers write to complain I have helped various lawsuits costing them total $100,000,000, and I am the biggest expense in ISKCON. More than the TOVP building.
OK it never occurs to these people, to listen to the individuals? OK like me, and that would have saved them $100,000,000 never mind all the molesting and suicides problems. Sorry they do not accommodate the individuals. So we are regular Joe people and so are they, and therefore they send out hit squads of enforcers to take us out of our bodies for challenging their homosexual and pedophile messiah's club.
How are we all one and the same? We are not sending out hit squads to remove them from the planet? They are? Why are we one and the same with this mob hit messiah's program? So I am sorry to have to inform these people, but illicit sex with men, women and children is not the qualification of rasika acharya members of the parampara.
So we have to help the individuals come to Krishna, and as soon as they do, we ban them, beat them, sue them, kill them, and slap a $20,000,000 lawsuit on the Bangalore devotees for the crime of worshiping Krishna's pure devotees, and not ISKCON's homosexuals and pedophiles sahajiya messiahs, who are just like you and me -- orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and murders. Yep, that is what we regular Joes are doing all the time!
Where do they find these pervert guru lovers? And now you know why they are allowed to speak at ISKCON, and we are not. Did I forget to mention thousands of kids had to be thrown under the bus and mistreated and alienated for the Hari Parshad homosexual and pedophile guru program to flourish? This is a dangerous program not only for kids, but us whistle blowers can end up banned, beaten and -- dead. That is why Srila Bhaktisiddhanta says, when our men will become sahajiya, it will be more dangerous. And it is. Yeesh, Srila Prabhupada is right, these sahajiyas drag everything to hell. And they have.
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OSHO: "BY THEIR FRUITS HE SHALL KNOW THEM"
The rise and fall of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (later known as Osho) and his movement (the Rajneeshees) is one of the most remarkable stories of 20th-century cult history. What started in Pune, India, as a mix of Eastern philosophy, Western human potential therapy, and counterculture free-love ethos morphed into a militarized, high-stakes criminal organization when the commune relocated to a 64,000-acre ranch in Wasco County, Oregon (Rajneeshpuram) in the 1980s. The main controversies and criminal actions surrounding Osho and his inner circle—led largely by his right-hand lieutenant, Ma Anand Sheela—span several key areas: ---
## 1. WEALTH & THE 93 ROLLS-ROYCES
* **The Illusion:** Osho taught detachment from material possessions to his followers, but accumulated staggering wealth himself.
* **The Reality:** By 1984, the commune had acquired **93 Rolls-Royces** for Osho’s personal use (a daily drive down the commune’s roads was a staged holy ritual called "the drive-by").
* **Financial Exploitation:** Followers performed unpaid or minimally paid physical labor (often 12–14 hours a day) and handed over personal life savings, inheritance, and real estate to fund the fleet, expensive diamond-encrusted watches, and the commune's vast expansion.
## 2. EXPLOITATION: PROSTITUTION & DRUG-RUNNING
* **Funding the Dream:** Running Rajneeshpuram required millions of dollars a month. Former commune members and investigative accounts (such as *The Rajneesh Chronicles*) detailed how followers were pressured into extreme measures to bring cash to the ashram.
* **Sex & Smuggling:** High fees for "therapy groups" in Pune and Oregon led some female followers into sex work in cities like London, San Francisco, and Hamburg, with earnings funneled back to the ashram. Additionally, several inner-circle members engaged in international drug smuggling (primarily hashish and MDMA/Ecstasy) to generate large capital flows.
## 3. HOMOPHOBIA & BIGOTRY
* **Rejection of Gay Followers:** Despite claiming to preach absolute freedom and love, Osho made deeply homophobic statements throughout the late 1970s and 1980s.
* **Scapegoating during AIDS:** When the HIV/AIDS epidemic emerged, Osho declared that homosexuals were "perverted" and responsible for the disease. He instituted strict quarantine rules within the commune, ordering that gay people or people testing positive for HIV be segregated or banished to protect the community.
## 4. NITROUS OXIDE & DRUG DEPENDENCE
* **Private Addiction:** Behind the public persona of an enlightened master who transcended human frailties, Osho suffered from severe chronic pain, dental issues, and insomnia.
* **Gas & Sedatives:** He relied heavily on **nitrous oxide** (laughing gas) and heavy prescription sedatives (such as Valium/diazepam) administered daily by his personal medical staff, particularly his dentist and personal physician (Devaraj/Dr. George Meredith). Former inner-circle members reported that many of his daily discourses were dictated or influenced while under the influence of nitrous oxide.
## 5. TAX EVASION & IMMIGRATION FRAUD
* **Fake Marriages:** To bypass U.S. immigration laws and secure permanent residency for Osho and foreign followers, the leadership arranged hundreds of
**sham marriages** between American followers and foreign sannyasins.
* **Financial Concealment:** The commune hid millions of dollars offshore, utilized complex shell companies, and evaded income and property taxes in Oregon, triggering massive federal grand jury investigations.
## 6. WIRETAPPING & PARANOIA
* **Internal Surveillance:** As legal pressures mounted, the inner circle under Ma Anand Sheela created an elaborate, illegal wiretapping network.
* **Total Control:** Microphones and recording equipment were bugged into every office, the commune’s phone lines, the homes of key commune officials, and even **Osho’s private residence**, allowing Sheela and her security team to listen to and record thousands of hours of conversations to weed out disloyalty.
## 7. THE 1984 SALMONELLA BIOTERROR ATTACK
* **Targeting Local Elections:** In an effort to influence the 1984 Wasco County elections and take control of the local government, the commune's leadership launched the **first and largest bioterrorist attack in U.S. history**.
* **Poisoning the Town:** Commando-style teams sprayed *Salmonella enterica* on the salad bars of 10 restaurants in nearby The Dalles, Oregon.
* **The Toll:** **751 people** became severely ill, and 45 were hospitalized. The goal was to render non-commune residents too sick to vote on Election Day.
## 8. ASSASSINATION PLOTS
* **Targeting Federal Officials:** The commune established a clandestine laboratory to cultivate dangerous pathogens (including attempts to harvest typhoid and HIV).
* **Hit Squads:** As federal prosecutor Charles Turner opened investigations into their immigration fraud and illegal activities, Sheela and her hit squad plotted to
**assassinate Turner**, as well as other state officials and Oregon judges who opposed the commune.
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**The Collapse:** In late 1985, after Sheela and her core group fled to Europe, Osho publicly blamed them for the crimes to save himself. HOWEVER, A JOINT FBI AND OREGON STATE POLICE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT OSHO WAS FULLY AWARE OF AND ENABLED THE TOXIC ENVIRONMENT. He was arrested while attempting to flee the U.S. on a private jet, pled guilty to immigration fraud, paid heavy fines, and was deported back to India, where he later rebranded as "Osho."
Wow. What a mess Russia is turning into. But hey, oil and gas is eventually going to run out everywhere, no matter what -- and the world is not really getting prepared for that process. In any case, these people were cheering on their war, and now they have to pay the price.
It looks like it is getting worse, since Ukraine is updating their current plywood and fiberglass longer range cruise missiles to higher grade materials that are much lighter, meaning they can go much farther inland. Meanwhile, it looks like the little lawnmower motorized jobs are making a lot of trouble as it is.
Meanwhile Russia is trying to start an IVF artificial insemination program for all the women who lost their men in the battles. What good is having a family or baby, when there is not going to be a father?
