SRD: When a trusted public figure fraternizes and publicly honors someone, the message they're giving out is that they regard that person as trustworthy. That the community can also trust said person.
This becomes a problem when respected and trusted leaders fraternize and honor known child abusers. This is reckless because it trivializes the child abuse Bhavananda inflicted on his child abuse victims and puts more children at risk!
Recently Indradyumna Swami held a youth camp in Australia.
Recently Indradyumna Swami held a youth camp in Australia.
This photo suggests that Bhavananda, a confirmed child abuser, was one of the respected guests. I am looking for confirmation that this photo was indeed taken at the youth camp.
A couple of years back Indradyumna swami came under public scrutiny when Bhaktividyapurna was finally exposed. Their close friendship raised a number of concerning questions that Indradyumna swami never addressed properly.
Whether this photo was taken at the island or not is of secondary importance.
What IS important and remains concerning is to see that Indradyumna swami continues to hang out with known child abusers. Imagine the outrage if the Pope was seen in a similar exchange with a cardinal known for abusing children!
What IS important and remains concerning is to see that Indradyumna swami continues to hang out with known child abusers. Imagine the outrage if the Pope was seen in a similar exchange with a cardinal known for abusing children!
I just could not understand how -- if I as a brahmachari was forbidden to touch women how Uttama Sloka das (my senior) was staying silent (I guess he had to, otherwise jeopardize his future Sanyas program). But then what to speak of IDS, my "guru", how he was allowed to touch all these girls and keep female secretaries as my very senior example. Then came the "kids in bikinis" FB photo albums.
This was my thinking - How many of you have 100s of pics of kiddies in bikinis on your FB albums, or how many of you have such albums on hard drives at home?? I certainly don't, and I'm thinking is that even normal for an average male or father?? Then what about a Sanyasi?? Isn't that just very odd to have this on FB, I mean it's not just 2 or 3 pics amongst a bunch of festival pics - no it was literally 100s of pics of just babies and kiddies semi nude. That's when I said it's over for me with this guy. None of my karmi friends even have such images so why does IDS even have ANY of this material??
Then I was part of the ToVP art department. Bhavs was the big dog there. I'd never seen him or met him in person, but when I did, I just wanted to get far away from him. Once in the temple room in Mayapur he approached me and tried to strike up conversation, I just turned away and walked away, it was like he was approaching me to hit on me.
I'd had enough experience as a teen with gays to know when you about to get preyed upon. Then on a few occasions during mangala arati, I watched Bhavs standing at the back scanning the congregation, especially all the gurukuli boys. He wasn't watching the deities, he was watching the boys.
The ToVP is a collection of weirdos. There's Bhavs, Ambarish, Sadbhuj - hitting on his female secretary. Then there's Baskar das - all Bhavs ex disciples. Baskar went to jail for raping his daughter !!!! I mean WTF is going on here?? Parvatamuni also ex Bhavs disciple, ToVP engineer, smoking weed on what is now the deities department.
And all this just slides and never gets questioned. Anyhow thank God, I got fired from the ToVP cos I "just wasn't fitting in with the boys club."
I just cannot fathom how it is that if you find yourself in the company of these types, that you'll stick around, take prasadam with them and enter into conversation for a few hours. What's harder for me to grasp is how all these mothers are OK with IDS after all we know.
Even if he isn't guilty of sexual abuse, just knowing about the " bikini files" should be enough for anyone to say "I'm rejecting" IDS as a guru." But they don't, they blindly continue glorifying him and keeping him as their guru and those of us who rejected him are now outcasts, "maha aparadhis."
Where have all the real men in ISKCON gone?? - they all became compromised !!! Hanging out, drinking the foot water waiting to cash in on some fame or position so they can enter the " big boys club".
DM: BHAVS dhould have disappeared along time ago. Amazing how the cult has provided everything for him for all these years. He's like the ISKCON prince that cannot be allowed to fully fall from grace. Shows what iskcon is really about and how rotten and evil the iskcon cult really is ... we all know the child victims never get anything to support them.
SS DASI: They really think they are ENTITLED and Above everything.
KC: This Personality has deep dark unforeseen lusty desires.
He has satanic rituals within his heart and is able in influence subtle realms.
Like he can enter your dreams your subtle body and mind and enter you and change your internal environment for his lusty desires .
Like he can enter your dreams your subtle body and mind and enter you and change your internal environment for his lusty desires .
Look at this picture deeply.
Okay say just two men right. No position, no identity of Spiritually. Just two men.
Over many decades there’s been evidence of many abusers, RIGHT?
Of this Person on the right. So the person on the left absolutely knows of this. So why does he not challenge this man on the right, about that abuse and condemn him.
Men who are against violence and deeply desire to reach for love can rise there emotion and wisdoms and even there voices and tell other men to F off. But look and feel closer the man on the left is smiling and being animated with the person on the right. Theres a synergy between them both.
ummmIf the person of the right went to jail for his abuse against others. What would have had happened among the other prisoners towards the man on the right?
Demoniac influencers are and still continue to infiltrate that which is unseen .
The lord reveals all.
Stay safe
VN: What is very astonishing is that the camp organisers include some educated people as well as the Vaishnavi ministry of Australia. This is the standard of which they are operating at
LB: Couldn't that be also interpreted as "dog whistle"? To their "tribe." You know the same tribe that "accidentally" kept delaying 4 decades removing their BFF ex - BVPS from his schools / torture camps in Mayapur .
DD Dasi: So they are known as the good old boys's club and hanging out with each other. Just remember association is everything ... tells you the character of those hanging together .
A pure devotee / spiritual master doesn't hang out with a bunch of child abusers unless.... (so ask yourself whether he is a bona fide spiritual master) many already know the answer to that. When in doubt...do without
AP: How is it that Bhava roams around freely and is not held accountable for his wrongdoings?
PD: Yep, Tamal used to lecture that his best pal Bhavananda was always blooping. And he knew right where to find him, at Andy Warhol's house. And that is why Sulochana called Bhavananda "Andy Warhol-pada." After it was known Bhavananda was servicing males with or*l sex left and right, he was "reinstated as acharya" by the Indradyumna program as "Vishnupada."
DK: Well they could be chastising each other for their questionable behavior.
"Regarding your question about offering Prasadam, whatever is offered to the Deity actually it goes through the Spiritual Master. The Spiritual Master offers to Lord Chaitanya, and Lord Chaitanya offers it to Krishna. Then Radha Krishna eats, or Jagannatha eats, then Chaitanya Mahaprabhu eats, then the Spiritual Master eats, and it becomes Mahaprasadam. So when you offer something, you think like that and chant the Gayatri mantra, and then everything is complete. At last, ring the bell, take out the plate and wipe the place where the plate was kept."
Demoniac influencers are and still continue to infiltrate that which is unseen .
The lord reveals all.
Stay safe
BB: I also believe there is a Satanic -- Black Magic -- Black tantra -- maybe children trafficking -- cult -- afoot here. It is so weird that these fellows always show affection for one another, and marginalize the victims. Or completely ignore the victims. Some might say -- maybe have a hand in silencing victims.
VN: What is very astonishing is that the camp organisers include some educated people as well as the Vaishnavi ministry of Australia. This is the standard of which they are operating at
LB: Couldn't that be also interpreted as "dog whistle"? To their "tribe." You know the same tribe that "accidentally" kept delaying 4 decades removing their BFF ex - BVPS from his schools / torture camps in Mayapur .
DD Dasi: So they are known as the good old boys's club and hanging out with each other. Just remember association is everything ... tells you the character of those hanging together .
A pure devotee / spiritual master doesn't hang out with a bunch of child abusers unless.... (so ask yourself whether he is a bona fide spiritual master) many already know the answer to that. When in doubt...do without
AP: How is it that Bhava roams around freely and is not held accountable for his wrongdoings?
PD: Yep, Tamal used to lecture that his best pal Bhavananda was always blooping. And he knew right where to find him, at Andy Warhol's house. And that is why Sulochana called Bhavananda "Andy Warhol-pada." After it was known Bhavananda was servicing males with or*l sex left and right, he was "reinstated as acharya" by the Indradyumna program as "Vishnupada."
And Indradyumna was voted in by the same group as their co-acharya. We were excommunicated -- and painted as aparadhis. Sulochana's prediction was, we have bull's eyes painted on our backs by these people. It was now coming true -- and causing his departure.
Satsvarupa was writing that we are toxic writers and Sulochana said that too is paining a bull's eye on our backs. And it did. Rather oddly, SDG, the guy who was painting a bull's eye on our back evidently to have us extinguished, is celebrating July 4th, which is Sulochana's birthday. Yeah, they all work together, it is a club. Meanwhile the Indraduymna progam has found another $20,000,000 spare change in their pockets to sue Bangalore -- again. They have love and sweet balls for Bhavananda, and $20,000,000 lawsuit serving papers for us. ys pd
JB: Not going to offend any individuals, but one thing I have noticed as a trend and that is when the strict Sannyasa code is violated again and again, many of them do not die in the Holy Dham or at an auspicious time. Rather, they have violent accidental deaths. Very sad, but they never learn! I guess the punishment is more severe than what a common man would get because “they” knowingly break their vow of Sannyasa. Na dhanam na janam na sundarim. It has become Ha dhanam, ha janam, ha sundarim.
MK Dasi: And Australia is where so much of his horrific abuse went on! The poor devotees there have to see him honored?
JB: Not going to offend any individuals, but one thing I have noticed as a trend and that is when the strict Sannyasa code is violated again and again, many of them do not die in the Holy Dham or at an auspicious time. Rather, they have violent accidental deaths. Very sad, but they never learn! I guess the punishment is more severe than what a common man would get because “they” knowingly break their vow of Sannyasa. Na dhanam na janam na sundarim. It has become Ha dhanam, ha janam, ha sundarim.
MK Dasi: And Australia is where so much of his horrific abuse went on! The poor devotees there have to see him honored?
BB: And one of his victims committed suicide in Australia.
DK: Well they could be chastising each other for their questionable behavior.
TKD: They both look too jolly to be having that discussion.
VM: PS so such photos are in our face classic trick... devotees who are blinded by indradyumna do not care or do not want to see the truth, and Indradyumna already burnt out SO many Ukrainian devotees with his visit to Russia last summer. Such "gurus" do not care, this is occult structure of power, satanism, which infiltrated divine Iskcon and looks like only when they die the dam will break.
VM: PS so such photos are in our face classic trick... devotees who are blinded by indradyumna do not care or do not want to see the truth, and Indradyumna already burnt out SO many Ukrainian devotees with his visit to Russia last summer. Such "gurus" do not care, this is occult structure of power, satanism, which infiltrated divine Iskcon and looks like only when they die the dam will break.
Many testimonies against Indradyumna will suddenly flood the net ! I really appreciate what he does in terms of some of his preaching but He plays both sides.. so wake up Neo, wake the f..k up.
JJ: ISK-con artists at their finest.. none get a pass - the "men" (and I use the term loosely) in this movement are pathetic - because you let them get away with it.
S Devi Dasi: Just as so much of the world is actually controlled by dark and destructive forces, I believe these same dark and destructive elements are controlling ISKCON and all organized religion across the globe. Some money or other currency is being exchanged for powers and positions. The organization of followers, despite their complaints and concerns, are wholly ignored.
There are some entirely in the dark, still rallying around the evil doers. Blinded by ignorance. Here in the U.S. we see the exact same things on the government and corporate levels. It’s sickening and I’m unsure of what I can do to help.
JJ: ISK-con artists at their finest.. none get a pass - the "men" (and I use the term loosely) in this movement are pathetic - because you let them get away with it.
S Devi Dasi: Just as so much of the world is actually controlled by dark and destructive forces, I believe these same dark and destructive elements are controlling ISKCON and all organized religion across the globe. Some money or other currency is being exchanged for powers and positions. The organization of followers, despite their complaints and concerns, are wholly ignored.
There are some entirely in the dark, still rallying around the evil doers. Blinded by ignorance. Here in the U.S. we see the exact same things on the government and corporate levels. It’s sickening and I’m unsure of what I can do to help.
JB: Indradyumna's old site with all the photos of little girls in bikinis still exists on Wayback Machine Archives site.
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PADA: Yes prabhu, as soon as I said that an intoxicated womanizer like "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja" is NOT Krishna's successor, Jayadvaita's program had me removed from ISKCON. And they kept Jayatirtha in the Vyasa seat. If the promoters of intoxicated womanizer acharyas are re-writing the Vedas, that is never good.
There is no such thing as an intoxicated womanizer acharya, and they do not even know that much, never mind how to edit the Vedas. Jayadvaita swami also told me the reason all these children in the ISKCON gurukulas were mistreated is "they selected the wrong guru." Five years old children did not select these gurus, Jayadvaita and the GBC does the selecting. This is called victim blaming. ys pd
SPIRITUAL LOCATION:
"𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗗𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁."
SPIRITUAL LOCATION:
"𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗗𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁."
We have gathered the following which are very potent quotes from Srila Prabhupada which should act as warnings to us all. When something goes wrong with your car and the red lights start flashing, you know it is time to stop and carefully check things out. Similarly, Srila Prabhupada has given us all warning signs for the sincere and serious devotees to watch out for in our devotional lives. These instructions by Srila Prabhupada act as beacons for us to check out individually and as a whole whether our movement is on the right track or not.
PRABHUPAD UVACA:
Do not create your own process for worshipping Deities
"The greatest danger to our movement will come when we manufacture and create our own process for worshiping the Deities. So don't ask any more new questions, whatever is going on, follow it just to the exact standard as I have given you, that's all…"
Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Dhruvananda, Bombay 4 January, 1973
Do not bring personal motivation
"In my books I have tried to explain clearly this simultaneously one and different philosophy acinta beda beda tattva propounded by Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. But sometimes it happens that this philosophy is given a self-interested interpretation. As soon as personal motivation comes in it is not possible for one to understand our Krishna Consciousness philosophy."
Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Isana and Vibhavati 21 September, 1970, Calcutta
Bhoga offering order:
Bhoga offering order:
"Yes, it is nice that you are worshipping Lord Chaitanya along with Radha Krishna. That is alright. Lord Chaitanya should be placed to the right side of Krishna. There is nothing special for His worship, but you may continue as you are doing now. The order of worshipping is first Spiritual Master, and then Lord Chaitanya, then Radha Krishna (as in the mantras or vande aham prayer).Your confidence to do whatever you are instructed by the Spiritual Master is very encouraging.
Yes, this is the method of the Vedic injunction, staunch faith in Spiritual Master and Krishna makes one perfect in spiritual understanding."
Srila Prabhupada in letter to Himavati April 1, 1970 Los Angeles
Offering goes through Spiritual Master
"Regarding your question about offering Prasadam, whatever is offered to the Deity actually it goes through the Spiritual Master. The Spiritual Master offers to Lord Chaitanya, and Lord Chaitanya offers it to Krishna. Then Radha Krishna eats, or Jagannatha eats, then Chaitanya Mahaprabhu eats, then the Spiritual Master eats, and it becomes Mahaprasadam. So when you offer something, you think like that and chant the Gayatri mantra, and then everything is complete. At last, ring the bell, take out the plate and wipe the place where the plate was kept."
- Letter to Arundhati, 16 June, 1969, New Vrindaban
Slight change will spoil
"One who understands and appreciates the disciplic succession is certainly advanced, and we should always be very careful to give full respect to those who have so carefully handled this Divine Fruit of transcendental knowledge before us. Even a slight change will spoil it. That is why I have always been so careful to give you only those things which I have heard from my Guru Maharaja.”
- Letter to: Devotee & Hamsaduta, Vrindavana, India August 1967
No outside instruction
"...Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our [i.e., Srila Prabhupada's books] books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction."
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 25, 1973
Do not mix with Gaudiya Math
Therefore amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to become acharya. So it is better not to mix with my God brothers very intimately, because instead of inspiring our students they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made by them previously, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja, but somehow I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them."
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated April 28, 1974
Avoid my God brothers
"All my disciples should avoid all of my God brothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should we give them any of my books, nor should we purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them."
Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated 9th November, 1975
Our sahajiyas more dangerous
Prabhupada: Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, he said that, "When our men will be sahajiya, oh, they'll be more dangerous." So our men are becoming, some of them, sahajiyas. This very word he said, that "When our men will be sahajiyas he'll be more dangerous."
Hari-sauri: Without any proper realization, on the basis of being able to read Sanskrit, they delve into all kinds of books, and then they pick fault - "Oh, this rule is not being followed. This is wrong. This is wrong."
Satsvarupa: "We don't chant sixty-four rounds, so that is very bad. We'll never make any progress."
Prabhupada: Sahajiya.
Do not manufacture
Prabhupada: Therefore you have got Spiritual Master. Why he is there? Therefore you have to accept Spiritual Master who will give you direction. You cannot do it. If you manufacture your own..., then go to hell. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau, tasyaite kathita hy arthah. Krishna is there; guru is there. Why should you manufacture your own way? If you are sincere, Krishna will dictate from within. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam.
Find out this verse. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam, buddhi-yogam dadami tam…. Krsna is ready to give you instruction. The Spiritual Master is ready. Why should you do at your whims, and do something wrong and go to hell? Yes?
- Srila Prabhupada in a Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Hawaii 1974
Danger of Bureaucracy
Srila Prabhupada: "Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. There must always be individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. No."
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 22, 1972
Danger of impurity
Srila Prabhupada: "As soon as there is a little impurity, the whole thing will deteriorate and go to hell. We shall not like to take the credit in that case, therefore I am praying simply that all of you, my advanced disciples, GBC men, Temple officers, will become sober-minded."
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated December 29, 1972
Danger of being whimsical
Srila Prabhupada: "I made the GBC to give me relief, but if you do like this, then where is the relief? It is ANXIETY for me. This is the difficulty, that as soon as one gets POWER he becomes whimsical and SPOILS everything. What can I do?"
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter dated September 12, 1974
Rogues take advantage of acharya’s disappearance
Unfortunately, when the acharya disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called swamis, yogis, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on. The acharya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acharya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the Spiritual Master.
- Srimad Bhagavatam, 4.28.48 Purport
Jealous people in the dress of Vaishnava
"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acharya may try to override a Vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga."
Kali chela
Kali chela
"Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-chela. He indicates that there are other
Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava".
- Chaitanya-charitamrita, Madhya, Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport
Misuse donations
Achyutananda: If a man says, “I am giving you this donation because it is a spiritual organization,” but if the money is misused, does that man benefit?
Srila Prabhupada: If money is misused, then both of them become implicated. If it is not used for Krishna, then both of them becomes under the laws of karma.
Srila Prabhupada, Conversations, March 14, 1976, Mayapur
Srila Prabhupada: If money is misused, then both of them become implicated. If it is not used for Krishna, then both of them becomes under the laws of karma.
Srila Prabhupada, Conversations, March 14, 1976, Mayapur
Falsehood
Srila Prabhupada: That is the way of falsehood. If once you speak something false, then to protect that falsehood you have to take to so many other falsehoods. This is the way of falsehood.
- Srila Prabhupada, Conversations, June 2, 1975, Honolulu
Too much lying
By pride, either artificial or real, the resultant action of austerity is spoiled; by too much affection for female association, cleanliness is spoiled; by too much addiction to intoxication, mercy is spoiled; and by too much lying propaganda, truthfulness is spoiled. The revival of Bhagavata-dharma can save human civilization from falling prey to evils of all description.
- Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.17.25
Losing link
"Kirtanananda may be eager to address in the Harvard university but recently he has lost his link on account of disobedience. You sing every day morning that by the mercy of the Spiritual Master one can please the Lord and one who has not pleased the Spiritual Master cannot have any access in the realm of Krishna Consciousness. Very recently Kirtanananda has developed a different consciousness of Maya which is called misuse of one's minute independence offered by Krishna.
By misuse of one's independence one at once becomes a victim of Maya and thus he loses all importance in Krishna Consciousness. So it is my definite opinion that his lecture anywhere now will bear no spiritual sequence. He must rectify his mistake before he can play in our Society any important role. By lips he says that he is a surrendered soul but by action he is thinking differently."
Letter to Satsvarupa, Friday, October 6, 1967, Delhi
Bogus gurus and their followers go to Hell
Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a Spiritual Master. A Spiritual Master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called Spiritual Master without any profit. The pseudo Spiritual Master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.
- Srimad Bhagavatam, Purport, 1.19.37
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become Spiritual Master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.
- Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Tusta Krishna, December 14, 1972
Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.
- Srimad Bhagavatam, Purport, 6.7.14
All obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada
