Nail in GBC Coffin? // Ramesvara // Gurukula Mess // Swarup Damodar // ETC. 11 01 26

Just surrender to Me.

Your endless rotating in different bodies ends.  

Any questions?

FINAL NAIL IN COFFIN?

PADA: Thanks prabhu, yes the GBC making a moratorium on their own diksha gurus giving initiations seems like "the last nail in the coffin." Could be. Certainly not helping their case. 

But they are asking their gurus for financial disclosures and and oath of allegiance to the GBC, which means some of the big guru guys might resist, and bail out and start their own operations, if they are not threatening to do that already. It is a sign that they are having internal conflict problems keeping everyone marching in step. No doubt some of them will resist being managed and controlled by the rest of the GBC.

As for your question is Bhakti Chaitanya swami gay? I dunno, but some woman wrote to tell me I made a huge error saying maybe 50% of them are, and she says it is more like 95%. But yeah, there seems to be a lot of support for the homosexual agenda, and that is why nearly the whole gang was so highly supportive of Kirtanananda, who was always surrounded by lots of boys and even some media people told me he is a homosexual pedophile just by external appearances with all those boys. 

But none of the other leaders saw that, or else they knew all along and they supported the agenda? It is hard to say, but yeah you are correct, if ISKCON was hijacked by the gay agenda, that means everyone else was too weak or compromised to oppose them. So in that sense, the rank and file were weaker than the gays. 

OK that does make sense. I fully agree, if the gay pride parade enters and hi-jacks your Church, and makes some gay person the next messiah, and everyone acquiesces, then your Church was not on a very solid footing in the first place. Nor did your Church have any clear idea who and what is a messiah, from square one. 

But to sum up, no this is not the final nail in the coffin, but it is coming close to it. Their empire is in decay, it is rotting from inside out, and that has become self evident to a lot of people, including many of their own people. Time is not on their side. Time is on ours, we are gaining and they are slipping. 

I always have to pinch myself whenever I wake up and ask -- is this a dream, or did you really spend much of your adult life trying to establish that a homosexual and pedophile guru cult -- are not -- the bona fide successors to God's parampara? I have to slap myself in the face and say, "Silly you, you came to desire living in Kali Yuga, thinking this is going to be like eating a piece of cake, it is more like eating a piece of a rotten shoe someone found in a dumpster." Hah hah! 

The thing I have learned from all this is, my job is to surrender to whatever happens and try to understand it is not my job, or my capacity, to ask Krishna why He does this or that, or why He allows this or that, or why He gives me odd jobs around His universe. He is after all, the giant boss of the whole thing. I just have to be patient and roll with it. If He makes me the junkyard dog, then I have to grow up and accept, not my capacity to change His operating system. He is the boss, I am His junkyard dog, I am stuck barking in His junkyard, and I have to begin to accept and realize it. ys pd

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RAMESVARA PIPES UP

PADA: @robertgrant3088  Yeah I personally know the former 13 years old gurukuli child Robert Grant was "dating." And she has suffered her whole life as his victim. And she has all sorts of financial and physical problems now and no one from ISKCON cares or helps. And she is one of thousands of gurukuli victims, and that is why we had to sue his program for $3,000,000 and $400,000,000. 

And his program lost both times. The person should never be lecturing anyone on spiritual affairs, when the children in his program are MASS severely mistreated, so much so the court said this is the worse child mistreatment EVER RECORDED in the Dallas courts. 

Ramesvara made predators into acharyas, and children suffered and still are suffering, and his program does nothing to help their victims. And no one would have ever helped them if we had not made these lawsuits. Predators of minors are not acharyas, full stop period. Did I forget to mention Ramesvara helped get rid of my friend Sulochana by helping the New Vrndavana hunting party, and then they came here to hunt me -- and I was saved by the FEDS? Why is this person lecturing the hunted when he was in the hunting helper party? ys pd   

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GURUKULA MESS

PADA: Yeah prabhu, a number of gurukulis were taking their lives which is why we helped them with the $3,000,000 lawsuit and later the $400,000,000 lawsuit. Some of those kids thanked me and some of them think -- I am just as bad for not being stronger earlier -- and cursed at me for "doing too little too late." I do not feel upset at the least with the ones who curse at me, I understand their pain. 

I was removed from ISKCON in 1979 by Jayapataka, because I was complaining about the false gurus and their child mistreatment program. I am sorry there was so little I could do, and they sent a team of enforcers from New Vrndavana to take me to the morgue, and I would have been, without help from the FEDS, who arrested the hunting party that came to get me. These were some very nasty people, there is no doubt about it, and MANY children were victims, and so were us whistle blowers, because perps and their enablers are not actually devotees of God. 

I am very sorry for what happened to all of these Krishna kids. I wanted to do more, but as a San Francisco Taxi driver, I had little tools at my disposal to do much. Whole thing is very sad. Challenging these guys was a peril for anyone who spoke up, and that enabled the process to continue, and still does for that matter. I wish Krishna will send healing to the victims and help them in their trauma. 

I have cried too many times over all this because many victims came to me to tell me what they experienced, and this has been a big hardship on me to act as an advocate for these kids. But we are where we are now, and we need to hold those responsible to account. And make sure this never happens again to any more children. Do I believe there is a Krishna? I still love to listen to Krishna bhajans and it gives me great joy. At the same time, I received so many threats on my life I lost count. I believe Krishna kept me from being six feet under, but God does act in mysterious ways as the Bible says. ys pd

PS: Yes prabhu, the Dayalu Nitai Jaipur HKC people / Prabhupadanuga's EU Mathura Pati / Mathias Subji people were infuriated we liberated hundreds of kids from their Auschwitz for kids program, and we reduced the suicides of their victims. Yes, they have never explained why they are joining the GBC in cheer leading Auschwitz for kids. 

And their pal Bhakta Peter told a friend of mine he is upset because "PADA is a liar." Exactly what their child abusers pals said, it is all lies. They are parrots of the pedophiles, and proud of it. And their other pal Kamsahanta said PADA is the worst and most dangerous person in the entire ISKCON, well yeah, saving children is not a good idea for these pedophile messiah loving folks. And we exposed their poisoner sabha too. Very bad for the servants of Judas! 

My friend stayed at Kamsahanta's New Vrndavana home after driving all the way from California, and in the morning he found his car windows smashed out and all of their possessions were stolen, including all their personal items and kids clothing. Kamsahanta said he did not know there was a problem there, yep fer sure. And he did not lift a finger to help them. Then he was upset we helped children, that he was never going to help.  

ys pd  

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SWARUPA DAMODAR

PADA: Yes, I told Bhakti Swarupa Damodar we are not qualified to take sins as a diksha guru. He thought that was very funny joke. Not long after that he complained half his body felt paralyzed and he was in hospital, and the doctors could not understand what was the problem. He had various problems after that, and it was never fully resolved. He was not only taking karma without authority, he was encouraging others like Jayapataka to take karma, and look what happed there. He never understood that none of us, including his 11 compadres, were authorized to take sins. 

The guru he supported here was Hansadutta, who was drinking Vodka and having affairs with half dozen women. Swarupa Damodar never came here to fix the problem, although he had disciples here who were well aware of the problem. I told his disciples he has a duty to fix this and they said no, it is the job of the GBC. But he was a GBC? It is the job of the GBC, he is one, and then what? No it is not the job of the GBC, it is the duty of all Vaishnavas to stop intoxicated womanizers from sitting in big seats in Krishna's temples. 

Of course what do we expect from a person who takes sannyasa from a child predator of boys like Kirtanananda? Kirtanananda sent a party here to take me out of my body and into the graveyard. Swarupa Damodar supported the people who send out hunting parties to place me in the graveyard, and he was saying Kirtanananda is a pure devotee -- which made me in a lot of danger. He was making me a target by saying we are making aparadha to his predator guru. He has no idea that predators are not Krishna's successors, neither are drunken womanizers. After he left most of his disciples started smoking pot. ys pd

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ORGINAL BOOKS KI JAYA!!!

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, these people were starving and when the Ukraine drones dropped down food, Russian snipers would shoot them. It is all about starving old ladies and babies for these macho men Russian guys. The only good news is that Russians lost 2,250 of these old lady sniper guys in one day recently, so there will be less sniping of old hungry people. 

It is amazing that big strong Russian soldiers consider old ladies and babies to be a dangerous threat to them, hence "starve the old ladies and babies to death." You got to be mighty paranoid if you think old grannies and two days old babies are out to kill you! But the Russians are getting wiped out too, and unfortunately getting rid of these dangerous snipers of old ladies is the only way to fix the problem. 

If the snipers are alive, they will shoot and starve people, especially un-armed old ladies on crutches with cats are very dangerous for them! OMG, an old lady is sewing a sweater for her kitten, we have to get rid of her before she blows up the Kremlin! Paranoid delusions won't save them from going to Yamaraja's court for old lady and baby killers.

There was a video of some young Ukraine lady snipers. They prefer the 1950s old style .308 gun that shoots USA grade hunting bullets. This takes a pretty heavy rifle, they like the ones made in the 1950s. They said modern lighter guns have a smaller bullet, so they might shoot some guy, and he is still alive and able to shoot back at them.  

But if the guy gets hit with a .308, they usually never hear from him again. One shot knocks em' down for good most of the time. So then they can go after the next guy. They also said the lighter gun's bullets run out of poop over a long distance, but the .308 keeps going further.

I know a neighbor guy who was hit with a .308 in a hunting accident, and there was a small hole in his front and a giant huge hole where the bullet came out of his back. He was gone in a second. These girls are not messing around! I think they are doing what I would do, take the "one shot does the job gun," and not the lighter but less effective one. 

The other reason they like the .308, ammo is readily available. Granny snipers beware, these ladies are looking for you! And they are taking them down every day. And they are just getting better at it. Personally, I would not want to mess with these ladies! 

But yeah I get it, the hunted and the hunters have some sort of karmic past process going on, I know all that too. But karma acting does not mean I now have a licence to harm others. And that is why even if the cow has the karma to be made into meat, it is still sinful to do that. ys pd  

GBC Moratorium Statement / Taking Sins / There Will Be Fire 10 30 26

PADA: Wow, lots of comments like, OK you guys have been gurus since 1978, but you never understood what is a guru? Hee hee. This is really a sign they are in cult melt down mode. The tragic thing is thousands of devotees were banned, some were beaten up, hundreds of kids were molested, some folks were killed, all so the GBC could be gurus. But were they ever Krishna's successors and gurus in the first place? Even they don't know. ys pd 

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OMG! Shocking Truth! After 50 years of practice, finally realised confusion in Guru Tattva! After fall down of many Gurus and Sannyasis, how this wasn't realised about Guru Tattva. Some of the Gurus ran away with guru dakshina wealth. Some of the Gurus ran away with women discples. Some of the Gurus involved in child abuse. After all these, how the GBC hasn't realised about Guru Tattva. what will happen to their disciples what will happen to guru dakshina what will happen to their faith who will take their karma and guide them who will take them BTG All these years, the self-made gurus cheated their disciples!

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THE JESUS WANNA-BE CLUB EXPANDS 

PADA: OK pilgrims, the DIKSHA guru takes part of the karma or samskaras of the disciple. I posted that on their forum -- that we neophytes should not take karma -- and my post was mysteriously removed. Sorry! They are not going to be able to take karma any better than the many other Jesus wanna-be acharyas from the Gaudiya Math and ISKCON. 

So here it is again, my comments on the hazards of taking sins:

In 1979 I told Jayapatka and Jayatirtha we neophytes cannot absorb sins, or we will have to suffer. They both laughed at me. Then, they suffered. And so have -- not only most of the original 11 -- but many others they subsequently appointed later on also suffered. And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a d*mon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore he says, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others. That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category.


*** Narayan Maharaja: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.


PD: Correct. Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and leaving their bodies. Never mind their followers are not being liberated. Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them departed early. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.


That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was e*ten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.


And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." He told us repeatedly, none of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions.


Yes, it is very amazing that in 1979, when I reminded the GBC that we neophytes are forbidden to take karma, or even let people touch our feet, because we will take karma, and we will fall down, get sick or both, the GBC guys just laughed at me. Well almost all of the 11 got sick, fell down, or both, and many of them departed early. "You will have to suffer." But many of them went on taking karma with no regards for all these dire warnings. I told Swarupa Damodar about that issue, same thing, he just laughed at me. Shortly after that he was suffering from partial paralysis and other ailments, and the doctors could not figure it out what was the cause. I already told him he would have to suffer.


There is no need for us to become and uttama ourself to help others connect to Krishna, when we can connect any other person to Srila Prabhupada right now. I told people to worship a pure devotee in 1971, and still tell them that right now 2026, there is nothing to add to the orders of the pure devotee.


ys pd

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"There will be fire...."

Prophetic words from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta to his disciple, Abhay Charanaravinda....... But let's consider the evidence he cited for arriving at this conclusion.....

"Since we got our marble temple at Bagh Bazaar, they are simply squabbling 'who gets this room, who gets that room'...."

Simply seeing such territorial disputes eclipsing the intended focus of his mission, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta could see where such a mentality would lead.

How much of the current tension around guru-fidelity, franchising parameters, making room for Vaisnavis boils down to the same territorial instincts.... neophytes prematurely elevated to acaryaship defending their turf.... insecure managers asserting their dominance.... hateful misogynists trying to legitimise their scorn by dressing it up in scriptural quotes....?

How to "weather the storm".....? In a storm out on the open seas, one's best protection against being blown off course is the compass - the ability to identify true north, the unchanging principles.... Prabhupada has told us many times what the secret of success is. It's hiding in plain sight.

ekeha kuru nandana.....

Make the spiritual master's order one's life and soul. Any other motives unexamined, unchecked... lead us astray. guru mukha padma vakya cittete kariya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa Let the vultures pick over the carcass, the empty shell that once housed the soul ..... The life of the Krishna consciousness movement is nourished by the 6 loving exchanges. The legislators may well be strangling any remaining life out of "Prabhupada's body".

The Night of the Long Knives is in full sway.... what a legacy to pass on.
Prabhupada's baton pass was always going to be fraught with challenge. His most senior disciples were only 10-11 years into their practice. He had formed the GBC - an innovation his own master had conceived of to foster collaborative leadership for a scaleable institution.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta knew very well of the risks that institutions posed to the "living spiritual current". Prabhupada witnessed first hand how individual ambition had imploded his spiritual master's hard earned institutional progress.
Prabhupada - living on borrowed time - started early.... supervised his fledgling leadership body, gave clear instructions about the ethos that governing a society of aspiring Vaisnavas should practice, passed on so many warnings about the risks of premature or ill motivated guruhood..... He ran an extraordinary leg of the baton race for someone who arrived in a foreign country with no means and no contacts in poor health and at an advanced age.

What he accomplished through faithful focus on guru maharaja's instructions in only 11-12 years (and a lifetime in preparation) is truly staggering. The current baton bearers are nearly at the end of their leg. How ready are they to pass the baton and to whom and in what condition? Are they even on the track anymore? Are they willing and able to pass the baton? Or imagining some heroic glory in just running till they drop basking in the crowd's hero worship?

Oaths of allegiance. "Kiss the ring. Humble yourself before me..." Is this compatible with amanina manadena? Or is it merely the weaponising of a power hierarchy by insecure people who cannot inspire actual loyalty but will accept a notarised terms and conditions document as a symbol of submission and obedience? Has Elvis left the building?

I have no doubt that there are many sincere and well intended, genuine sadhus in the movement. There are still "signs of life". But we should not mistake the large temples and crowds for spiritual health necessarily. The best indicator of the spiritual health of the movement is the quality of loving exchange between all of its members. 

And out in the devotional communities, in many places, that's exactly what's happening..... What's happening in the higher eschelons - the constant squabbling, the unkindness to children and women, the attempts to secure fealty by legislation...... these signal a worrying vaccuum of loving sentiment. Naked ambition, soulless bureaucracy.... this is not heading in the direction I expected when I felt inspired to join Prabhupada's movement and sought to help it pursue its noble mission. 

It was rapidly devolved into a "church" where the mission of reaching out to the masses and engaging them in bhakti has been obscured by in-fighting, power plays and "holy men" enriching themselves, avoiding accountability and wrangling over who gets which samadhi plot for eternal prestige.

Married At 13 // Dear Prahladananda Swami 10 29 26

PADA: Yikes, pilgrims a lot of parents just surrendered to the GBC guru process and did not look at how that would affect their children. There was a lot of child abuse and of course some girls being married off when they were still children etc. Yep, the GBC is mainly to blame, but the acquiescing parents had a role in enabling all this. 

Personally, I did not trust my kids to be in the GBC realm, and I sent them to public schools. I think the better results are clear, my kids are favorable to Krishna, many of their ex-kuli peers are not. 

The GBC gurus were eating giant feasts while kids were being malnourished with oat meal made from "not for human consumption" horse feed. All kinds of people knew that was happening, nothing was being done. That is the fault of all adults involved. Overall it looks like almost no one dreamed that these kids would ever grow up and tell their stories in public. There was just a lack of awareness of the long range effects of all these policies. And it is all catching up, including they suspended themselves from being gurus, because they have no credibility as gurus.

If you read the comments on her video it looks like a lot of people have the perception ISKCON is not women, children, or householder friendly. And there has been a lack of protection for these vulnerable citizens. And a lot of people are cheering her on for exposing all this. I think the big problem in ISKCON is, people feel compelled to expose things in public because they leaders are not listening to the citizens, so they feel they have to take their complaints public forum. I see why that happens, and it is happening more. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

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Suggestions for the guru services committee to implement within this great window of opportunity for positive change in iskcon .

Dear Prahladananda Swami Maharaja,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I would like to offer a few humble suggestions regarding the review of ISKCON’s guru system.

First, I am very glad that this responsibility has come under your influence. From what I have observed, you appear willing to remain fixed in Srila Prabhupada’s instructions even when doing so may be unpopular. I appreciate this and hope the following suggestions may be of service.

1. Audit the GBC before auditing the guru system.

I believe the review needs to begin with the Direction of Management, which established a governance structure including three-year voting procedures for GBC members by temple presidents. This structure remains outstanding in its full implementation.

When the GBC audits others, who audits the GBC? Implementing Srila Prabhupada’s original governance system would establish accountability, increase devotees’ participation and strengthen the GBC’s credibility.

2. Give priority to Srila Prabhupada’s formal written directives.

I suggest examining what Srila Prabhupada explicitly authorised and communicated for ISKCON’s implementation, giving particular weight to foundational documents such as the Direction of Management and the July 9, 1977 letter. There is a difference between what he formally directed, what he discussed in conversations and what later generations concluded he would have wanted.

Notably, the Direction of Management does not establish the guru-governance system that subsequently developed. I believe these original directives deserve central consideration in any restructuring.

3. Openly establish the delegated initiation system.

I believe many present difficulties could be resolved by formally recognising a system in which qualified devotees conduct initiation on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf, without thereby becoming independent diksha-gurus.

This would also clarify the distinction between initiation and siksha relationships. Devotees could continue receiving instruction and guidance from senior Vaishnavas, while initiation follows the formally established delegated system. 

Qualified Vaishnavis could also perform this service.

In my view, the GBC has gradually imposed increasing restrictions on gurus, moving towards greater central accountability without openly resolving the underlying question of authority. Rather than continuing to manage these contradictions, I suggest examining whether the delegated system can be openly and consistently implemented.

4. Implement the Direction of Management as a whole.

My concern is that individual provisions are being applied while the wider governance structure remains unimplemented. Accountability, financial transparency, voting procedures and the responsibilities of GBC members belong to the same framework.

Implementing that framework would help resolve longstanding conflicts over authority and give devotees a meaningful voice in the Society they serve.
Maharaja, I offer these suggestions respectfully, with the hope of bringing ISKCON closer to Srila Prabhupada’s documented instructions. I believe this presents an opportunity to resolve many longstanding difficulties through institutional clarity rather than further restrictions.

Thank you for your service and consideration. If I can assist you in any way with the original documents or developing these proposals, I would be very happy to serve.

Your servant,
Sundar Nitai Dasa

PADA: Oh yeah, the GBC makes all sorts of committees to monitor a wayward guru and so on, but who monitors the GBC overall? We need accountability, sounds good, but the gurus do not seem to have any. Lokanath and Giriraj and others have had scandals but, no consequences? And this pattern repeats over and over. 

All of kinds of banning, beating, molesting suing and even murders have been going on, no one ever seems to be accountable for any of that? So yeah, the whole system of making artificial messiahs won't work. They need to be designated as managers and not gurus, and be held to account. Prahladananda has a reputation for covering up reports of troubles and keeping the trouble makers in power. He has no credibility.

He came to Berkeley and was shouting and yelling at me and he said "I am never going to talk to this person ever again." OK so you are not allowing us to report issues, then you claim you never knew about these issues? Sounds like you all suffer from Ivory Tower syndrome, you have no idea how the citizens are suffering under your policies. 

Not talking to us means, we have to make public exposes, and we are. You do not give us any other option. But at the same time, it looks like they are leaving Prahladananda holding the bag for all the molester messiah's club's mess, you sort it all out dude! Good luck! Heh heh heh. ys pd      

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Yamaraja Fundme


https://gofund.me/26d929165


Raga Davi Dasi took formal initiation into Srila Prabhupada movement in 2005 and her husband Yamaraja das took formal initiation. A little bit after,  Raga and Yamaraja took second initiation and got the Gayatri Mantra. They are both faithful followers of Srila Prabhupada's movement, for their services over the years. 

Raga is the author of under the spell of God poems for the Lord‘s pleasure. She is a singer songwriter and she has some of her music on YouTube, and she’s also an artist and she has some children’s coloring books that she authored. If you care to listen, go to YouTube and put in Raga Swan. She’s been a book distributor for many years also.

Yamaraja Dasa's services for the lords pleasure are numerous he was a Pujari for many years in the Chicago, Temple, St. Louis, Temple, and Alachua Temple he’s a cook and a book distributor his current service to this day is distribution of Srila Prabhupada s Original Books this is his current service. 

He still distributes every day whenever he goes out. Over the years he has distributed thousands of books. And one important service that Yamaraja das took to heart was Srila Prabhupada order no divorces so through thick and thin him and his wife Raga have been married 23 years. Both of these Devotee’s are born on the same day January 22, Raga was born in 1957 and Yamaraja 1955. 

Currently Raga had to have some minor surgery vertebroplasty minimally invasive surgical procedure that injects medical-grade bone cement into a fractured vertebra to stabilize the spine and relieve pain. Also, she has MS and mobility issues. Her husband Yamaraja has high blood pressure and type two diabetes. 

And he is also his wife’s 24 seven caregiver. Because of mounting costs related to the situation, we have set up a GoFundMe account. The link is at the top of this post. We live in a mobile home in Gainesville, Florida and our rent is about to be raised $75 next year in addition to repairs that must be done on the Plumbing in the mobile home so we are appealing for anyone to donate to our GoFundMe account. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts and all glory’s to his divine grace Srila Prabhupada 

ISKCON Suspends Guru Initiations 10 27 26

Yes as a matter of fact,

falling down people are 

NOT our guru successors!  

GBC GURU MELTDOWN

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims! Big trouble in River City. It does seem like the ISKCON GBC is having a sort of melt down crisis. There was supposed to be a discussion over Female Diksha Gurus (FDG) and that seems to have reached the same loggerheads it has already been at for over a decade. No agreement could be made on the topic. Nor will any ever be made it seems? 

Now they have suspended ALL of their gurus from initiating, which means? None of them were ever qualified! The conservatives are headed by HH Bhakti Vikas swami, big promoter of Jayapataka, and the liberals are the Kalakantha / Pranada / Hrdayananda / Bir Krishna type people. Oddly Jayapataka says he favors female diksha gurus. OK they are fighting with their own shadow. 

So it looks like they just switched gears and said a study should be made, what is an ISKCON guru? Oh goody, after all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders, we might ask what program are we promoting and defending here? I think this is a sign, the dysfunction of the GBC has reached a point where it just cannot continue with business as usual, which is pretty much out of control already. 

Now they want people to sign a legal oath of alliegience, I think that is a sign more folks want to bail out and become independent. There has already been a lot of preliminary discussion on how the succession should continue. Will the new wave of younger gurus get to have their own Vyasa poojas, photos on the altars, unlimited un-monitored bank accounts etc., or what is their status? So it looks like a sort of reckoning is coming to roost. 

Overall I think this is a sign their program is sort of self-imploding, disintegrating, and that is good for us. Yeah what is an ISKCON guru? Same thing Banu swami was saying, he will not become and ISKCON guru until they define what that is. 

Well we know already, the guru is a person who might be engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, who drinks Vodka, who watches porno and who gets arrested with a machine gun etc. There does not seem to be any standard for guru before he is selected and voted in?

OK Madhu Pandit people! Take their document to court and show how falling apart their whole guru system is. They want Madhu Pandit to accept their gurus, when they do not even know -- if they are gurus? Lets wait until we know if they are even gurus in the first place, according to, themselves! Hee hee! Told ya! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

https://akincana.net/2026/10/23/watch-the-gbc-decide-the-future-of-female-diksa-gurus-eight-unreleased-committee-recordings-published-in-full/?

Statement from the ISKCON Governing Body Commission on Srila Prabhupada and the Role of Gurus in ISKCON

The ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) passed several resolutions during its Mid-Term General Meeting 2026 regarding the need to better educate ISKCON devotees with “a clearer understanding and articulation of, the qualification and service of all gurus, and their relationship with ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON society, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority.” 

To help achieve this, the GBC determined there should be a temporary moratorium on initiations from December 1, 2026 to Gaura Purnima 2027.

The resolutions are below in full:

Clarity on the Role of Gurus and Disciples in Relationship to Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON To Be Provided by the Guru Services Committee

Whereas, within the ISKCON society there is a need for further clarification on the relationship of ISKCON gurus with ISKCON, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

Whereas, elder ISKCON gurus are passing away and younger devotees are taking up the responsibility of serving as guru, sometimes for large number of disciples,

Whereas, it is seen that some disciples of ISKCON gurus need to better understand their relationship with ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

Therefore, the GBC directs the Guru Services Committee to research and highlight Srila Prabhupada’s writings and instructions, existing GBC authorized papers and statements, and relevant ISKCON laws to better educate and clarify for ISKCON members:

The role of an ISKCON guru in relationship to ISKCON and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority,

The proper mood of a disciple towards their initiating guru and other ISKCON authorities,

That gurus in ISKCON have the responsibility in instructing their disciples how to advance in Krishna consciousness, but may not have the expertise to guide disciples in matters of marriage, employment, child rearing, investment of funds, and other areas of life,

The Guru Services Committee shall also determine if educational processes need to be developed or adapted within ISKCON to clarify these issues.

The Guru Services Committee will consult with the various RGBs around the world, the India Bureau, and ICC to better consider how misunderstandings in these areas have manifested in their regions and seek their input to resolve them.

This research is also intended to complement and support the work pursued under the Terms of Reference Working Committee. To be completed by the AGM 2027.
Seeking Clarity on the Comparative Roles and Relationships Between Siksa and Diksa Gurus Within ISKCON

Whereas, there is a need within ISKCON to better understand the comparative roles of, and relationships between, diksa and siksa gurus, and

Whereas, there has been a call for additional clarity of these roles by devotees around the world, therefore, the GBC Body directs the Guru Services Committee (GSC) to do research to develop a comprehensive report and statement on these two services within ISKCON;

In so doing, the GSC shall consult with the ISKCON RGBs around the world, the India Bureau and ICC, the Sastric Advisory Council (SAC), and other scholars put forward by those bodies; 

A report or statement shall be presented to the GBC at its AGM 2027 for ratification.

This research is also intended to complement and support the work pursued under the Terms of Reference Working Committee.
Moratorium on All ISKCON Initiations

Whereas, as we celebrate ISKCON’s 60th Anniversary, it is the GBC’s duty to consider the health and future of our society;

Whereas, many older ISKCON gurus are passing away and many younger gurus are taking up responsibility for large numbers of disciples;

Whereas, there is a need to develop a clearer understanding and articulation of, the qualification and service of all gurus, and their relationship with ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON society, and ISKCON’s managerial line of authority;

Whereas, many new disciples in ISKCON misunderstand the service role of their guru in ISKCON in relationship with Srila Prabhupada and the ISKCON managerial line of authority, as outlined in the ISKCON document “Harmonizing Lines of Authority”;

Whereas, according to our Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, both siksa and diksa gurus are of fundamental importance in the spiritual life of a devotee;

Whereas, in practice, a significant difference can be currently observed in the worship, recognition, and treatment accorded to siksa-gurus and diksa-gurus within ISKCON;

Whereas, since the departure of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, the Society has not undertaken a sufficiently comprehensive study and explanation of Guru-tattva, particularly the standards, principles and practices of initiation as related to an unprecedented growing global ISKCON society;

Whereas, it is urgently important to take concrete steps to ensure that Srila Prabhupada’s position in ISKCON as our Founder-Acarya and pre-eminent siska guru for all ISKCON members is not minimized in any way;

Whereas, the GBC has directed the Guru Services Committee to research and further clarify the role of gurus and disciples in relationship to Srila Prabhupada and the ISKCON society, based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, existing ISKCON law, and GBC statements, and to present a summary paper on the same no later than the GBC AGM 2027, and,

Whereas, the GBC has directed the Guru Services Committee to research and clarify the service roles of siksa and diksa gurus, with appropriate consultation, and present either a summary paper, or at least a progress report on the same by the GBC AGM 2027;

Therefore,

All initiations by ISKCON diksa gurus shall be put on hold from December 1, 2026, until Gaura Purnima 2027. (This date could be extended.) No ISKCON guru shall initiate new disciples, or offer second initiation to existing disciples, or offer sannyasa initiation during this time. Additionally, no new initiating gurus shall take up or complete the authorization process during that time.*

In addition, before they may restart initiating disciples, all ISKCON gurus will be required to:

Sign a notarized ISKCON Oath of Allegiance, as presented by Srila Prabhupada and,

Submit the required annual financial reports for the previous year (2026).

*Exceptions may be allowed in the case of a qualified aspiring disciple who may pass away before Gaura Purnima 2027 (in the opinion of medical experts), and with the approval of the ISKCON Guru Services Committee.
Terms of Reference Working Committee

It is resolved that a structured Dialogue be convened to enable a meaningful and productive discussion on the relationship of siksa and diksa, including Vaishnavi Diksha Guru, all within the principle of Guru Tattva.

To this end, a working Committee comprising of the GBC EC, and one or two representatives of the IB, ICC and concerned RGBs will be appointed to determine the Terms of Reference for the successful convening of such a Dialogue by 15th November 2026. The Terms of Reference presented by the committee shall be subject to GBC approval.

The anticipated Dialogue shall commence and conclude between the months of December 2026 and January 2027. A .pdf of the statement can be viewed and downloaded here.
Tag: education , gbc , guru , Guru-tattva , gurus , initiations , leaders , leadership

PADA: Jayadvaita swami has already explained all this. A number of their gurus are having illicit sex with men, women -- and maybe children. OK also maybe their messiah who masturbating with cats -- when we include their topmost messiah and samadhi buried acharya Kirtanananda. I forgot, masturbating to porno Gunagrahi also warrants a samadhi in the dham.  

And thus the "clear understanding" is: people who are of less moral character than the town dog catcher are fit to be worshiped as Krishna's successors. Do we have a question? Good, we will be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed for being a doubting Thomas. Doubts are not allowed! So these guys are gurus, that is very clear, anyone who doubts they are gurus gets poked in the rear with a metal pipe. YS PD

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FULL ISKCON DIKSHA MORATORIUM ANNOUNCED

(Starting December 1st, 2026 till Gaura Purnima 2027. Watch this space for possible extensions.)

It looks like a brazen attempt to pre-empt and/or prepare for a SCHISM.
GBC STEPS TO AVOID A SCHISM OR TO MANAGE ONE AS CLEANLY AND LEGALLY AS POSSIBLE.

STEP 1. Introduce a Full Moratorium to assert GBC dominance over all ISKCON gurus and leaders requiring Oaths of Allegiance clearly stating they must LEGALLY follow the GBC.

STEP 2. Require all ISKCON gurus and leaders to provide full LEGAL FINANCIAL disclosures. This will be important evidence with which to LEGALLY challenge any defectors who might attempt to leave the domination of the GBC and split from ISKCON proper (as the Rtviks in Bangalore have done).

STEP 3. Whatever paper the Guru Services Committee comes up with at Gaura Purnima 2027 it will not satisfy all parties.

STEP 4. When one or more resolutions are made subsequent to the Full Moratorium those who threaten to split from ISKCON will therefore be in a weak position morally and legally because they have already just sworn an Oath of Allegiance and disclosed their full financial details.

STEP 5. Make resolutions that significantly change the system of guru in ISKCON. State clearly and openly that those opposing such resolutions have violated their Oaths of Allegiance and are not allowed to re-start giving initiations in ISKCON unless and until they agree to submit to the "new" system the GBC is proposing.

STEP 6. If necessary take legal steps to bring the financial assets of apostate gurus and ISKCON leaders again under the direct control of the ISKCON GBC.
This whole plan is the GBC realizing their system of the last 50 years is crashing down around them because it was not based on sastra and tradition and yet trying to save themselves from splitting ISKCON further by re-inventing the system in some way. (Presumably the "new" system will introduce tighter controls of ISKCON gurus and leaders).

The ONLY "real" solution to the problem is to establish a truly sastric and traditional system of Guru Tattva within ISKCON which would require the GBC to get rid of many ISKCON Guru Laws and the appointment system altogether and allow the natural system of choosing a guru (or gurus) to be practiced in ISKCON. As per Srila Prabhupada's purport to CC Adi 1.35.

I do not see the ISKCON GBC giving up their position of managing who can and who cannot initiate in ISKCON. This would simply require ISKCON leaders to judge all persons who want to serve within the ISKCON Insitution on their own merits rather than judge who they decide to take Vaishnava Diksha from. But this seems to be a "bridge too far" for the ISKCON GBC.

SUNDAR NITAI DASA

My Response to the GBC’s Recent Announcement on the Guru Situation in ISKCON
When I read the GBC’s statement of 26 October 2026, I feel both hopeful and apprehensive. I feel excited that the GBC is taking steps to revisit guru-tattva and the future of ISKCON, and concerned about the evidence and principles that will guide this important work.

My hope is that those entrusted with this service will make Śrīla Prabhupāda’s own written instructions the central reference point. The primary question is not simply what was practised in another age, during Lord Caitanya’s time, or within traditional Vedic society. It is: What did Śrīla Prabhupāda want for the society he founded, and how did he direct that society to function after his departure?

Prabhupāda brought his understanding of the Vedic and Vaiṣṇava traditions into ISKCON through his own teachings, instructions and institutional arrangements. Those who choose to serve within the society he founded have a responsibility to take his specific directions seriously. General scriptural principles and historical traditions can provide valuable context, but they do not replace an examination of what Prabhupāda himself established for ISKCON.

I therefore respectfully request that the GBC, its Executive Committee, the Regional Governing Bodies, the India Bureau, the ICC, the Guru Services Committee, the Sastric Advisory Council and everyone involved in this review give particular attention to the following:

1. Prabhupāda’s written directives on management

Please give serious consideration to the Direction of Management, which sets out Prabhupāda’s intended managerial arrangements, alongside his other formal written instructions. The review would benefit from establishing how these directives were intended to operate and how subsequent GBC structures and decisions relate to them.

2. The July 9, 1977 directive on initiation

Please examine this directive alongside the other relevant written documents, establishing precisely what arrangement Prabhupāda authorised, how he instructed it to operate, and what the complete documentary record establishes about its intended continuation. The review would also benefit from examining the will, relevant probate documents and other formal instructions in their proper historical context.

3. A clear distinction between written instructions and later interpretations.

Recorded conversations, general statements and discussions about possible future appointments are relevant evidence. However, discussions about hypothetical arrangements need to be distinguished from appointments or directives that were actually finalised and formally communicated. Where an instruction is claimed to have been given, I believe it is important to establish what documentary evidence supports that claim and how it relates to Prabhupāda’s formal written directions.

4. An independent examination of the GBC’s own accountability

The review is considering the relationship between gurus and ISKCON’s managerial authority. It is equally important to examine how that managerial authority itself relates to Prabhupāda’s instructions. The Direction of Management and the other relevant documents deserve careful consideration as possible foundations for assessing the GBC’s own structure, authority and accountability.

5. Putting Prabhupāda back at the centre of ISKCON

I would welcome serious consideration of a model in which Prabhupāda’s position as Founder-Ācārya and pre-eminent spiritual guide is reflected not only in statements of principle, but in the actual arrangements for initiation, discipleship and management.

My own view is that ISKCON would benefit from reconsidering whether initiating devotees need to occupy the distinct institutional position they hold today. Senior devotees could continue serving as spiritual guides, instructing devotees and conducting initiations under an arrangement consistent with Prabhupāda’s documented intentions. The precise form of such an arrangement is a matter for careful documentary examination, rather than assumption.

I would also welcome consideration of how discipleship is understood and recorded within the society: whether those initiated within ISKCON are recognised primarily as members and disciples of Prabhupāda’s society, rather than being defined institutionally by exclusive allegiance to an individual initiating guru. This is an important question about the place of the Founder-Ācārya in the life of every ISKCON member.

I recognise that devotees may interpret some of the evidence differently. My request is that these differences be addressed through an open, independent and thorough examination of the primary documents, with the reasoning and conclusions made available to the wider membership.

This is an important opportunity to put Śrīla Prabhupāda’s documented intentions at the centre of the discussion—not merely to clarify the existing guru system, but to examine whether the system itself reflects the arrangements he intended for ISKCON.

I sincerely hope everyone entrusted with this service will approach it with the care, honesty and responsibility that such an important task deserves.

Original Books / Zoom Class / ISKCON No! / Tulsi / Horse's Oats Prasadam 10 24 26

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ORIGINAL BOOKS (Jitarati site):

https://gitatrust.com/?

STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS:

After Srila Prabhupada was taken out of the picture in November 1977, and the hijackers set about redesigning his movement as they desired their new empire to be, it was important for them to usurp his books as a potential cash cow.
But in order to milk this commodity, they had to find a way to operate outside of the original BBT trust set up by Srila Prabhupada, because the profits from the trust could only legally be used for temple construction and printing.

So instead they created the fraudulent corporation called BBT International Inc. and set about rewriting Srila Prabhupada's books as derivatives of the originals.
This theft of Srila Prabhupada's intellectual property was not the first time such a thing had happened in the movement however.

Back in the early days of the movement, Kirtanananda and Hayagriva tried stealing Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita manuscript and palming it off as their own work to American publishers - none of which believed it was their own work.
Kirtanananda even started the "First United Church of Krishna—Youth Organization Underground" (check the acronym) and sent mail to Srila Prabhupada and his disciples which was printed on official stationery.

Eventually both basket cases came crawling back with their tails between their legs. However, the same thing would later take place on a much larger scale and eventually Kirtanananda would have his dreams of being worshipped as a wannabe guru fulfilled. And Srila Prabhupada's literary legacy would also be stolen and kept hostage for nearly half a century - until now.

Those who still believe that the changing of Srila Prabhupada's books and the replacement of the BBT with the BBT(II) by those who hijacked the movement is anything less than a great big <insert acronym here> to Srila Prabhupada by those who have the same mood and disposition as Kirtanananda and Co. had better take a reality check.

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Srimad Bhagavatam Reading & Discussion

Hare Kṛṣṇa dear devotees! We are excited to invite you to a reading of the 1962 Delhi Edition of the Srimad Bhagavatam, by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, conducted by the Hare Krishna Society.

Date & Time:

—Sunday, 25 OCTOBER 2026---

7:30 am to 9:00 am, California, USA Time 10:30 AM US East Coast Time, 8 pm India Time, 4:30 pm Italy Time 

Speaker: HG Yasodanandana Dasa

Topic: Raghunatha dasa & Raghunatha Bhatta Goswamis, and Srila Krishnadas Kaviraja Tirobhava Tithi [disappearance]

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Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.35: Prayers by Queen Kunti Continued: Lord Krishna appeared to renovate devotional service.

Zoom link:
https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85627702726...
Meeting ID: 856 2770 2726
Passcode: 683586
Hope to see you all there!
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ISKCON NOT FOR ME!

Dhira Nitai It seems there is a pattern, where leaders involved in dealing with abuse reassure devotees of settling the matter in a dharmic way, only to betray their good faith and trust immediately or some time after, by handling the matter in favor of abusers and never of the abused. Sannyasa disciple of Jayadvaita Swami did exactly that to abused lady and me, a senior devotee to whom mataji revealed that a sexual assault was done to her by a married temple president (Swami's favorite disciple): Swami showed "understanding and compassion" and "pastoral care" to the mataji in an initial meeting. 

But as soon as the matter was brought infront of the local GBC and as soon as I was out of the picture, everything was pushed under the carpet. What was spoken in our "revelation meeting" was not relevant anymore and there was no transparent communication to the community either. The outcome: blame the victim for what has happened! Finally nobody in the community was sure what has happened. And mataji had to leave the community all together. I was labelled as "a trouble maker" and was looked down upon. But this was a blessing in disguise for me to finally make my decision about such an Iskcon, which is not "my Iskcon" anymore.

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TULSI GABBARD

PADA: Yep prabhu. In the years before joining the Trump administration, Tulsi Gabbard repeatedly warned that a war with Iran would be disastrous. For example, in a January 2020 interview after the U.S. strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, Gabbard said:

"Speeding towards an all-out war with Iran will make the wars that we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic."

She also said such a war would be:

"far more costly in American lives and American taxpayer dollars."

More recently, ongoing reports noted that lawmakers confronted Gabbard with her earlier warnings that war with Iran would be so costly and devastating that it would "make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic." 

Wow. she really had that pegged, this war has already cost every American citizen $2,000 for the war cost itself, never mind they are spending hundreds of billions more for gas every month. India politicians are now saying the real reason for the war is to cut off India farmers from fuel and fertilizer, to make a famine in India, to get rid of India people, because India is friends with Russia -- so the USA wants to punish and starve India. 

In other words, there are a lot of other people worldwide not happy with this war. Basically Tulsi ran on the platform "no new wars" campaign, but so did the whole MAGA folks, they lied and then booted Tulsi. Very obviously self evident. Tulsi was looking very depressed in her last days in office, she realizes she shares the karma of promoting and assisting all this to come into being in the first place. She promoted all this, but at least she bailed out when she saw the mess she helped make, better late than nothing. 

ys pd

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Not for Human Consumption / Horse Feed "Prasadam"

B Dasi Our experience at New Vrndavan back in the day:

My 3-year-old son S and I lived there for only 27 days. They were strange days of increasing horror. In that short time, I nearly lost him. We arrived at the farm on October 1, 1978. Fortunately we were placed in a house down the road a short way from the farm property. The other two occupants were a devotee Mother M who was a nurse, and her husband who suffered with diabetes.

S went to the day program while I was doing my service in the office trailer. We walked down the road home together each evening. October 27th was S’s 4th birthday and he didn’t look well. He was listless, and when we got home from morning temple services Mother M told me that we needed to take him to the hospital. Driving children to the hospital was one of her services, so she drove us there. S was admitted and he was put into quarantine. There we remained for two weeks. He nearly died.

The children at NV were often ill with amoebic dysentery which had been going on for a very long time. Fortunately, S did not have that ailment, he was diagnosed with severe malnutrition.

Food was scarce at NV, and most of what we were given to eat was not very good. Much of the diet was rice, but S never would eat that. I tried to get him some fresh fruit but all that I could ever get for him were a few raisins. The morning meal consisted of a gray soup called oatmeal. It looked like spent dishwater. It was tasteless with only a few grains of what could have been oats. I always wondered what it was. Needless to say, we did not return to the NV farm of horror.

In 2013 (so many years later), the gray soup mystery was solved. A devotee here at the Denver temple was at NV when we were. His service there had been in the kitchen. He told me that the “oatmeal” was made from a bag of scrap oats that were labeled by the packer, “Not for human consumption.”

Hare Kṛṣṇa! 

Henry Doktorski III

Great story, BB! Glad you got out when you did. I also came to New Vrindaban in 1978, August, but I stayed for 16 years. The brahmacharis and I called our breakfast "oatwater." I never liked it. Consistency of mucus. And yes, during my entire life there, good food was a scarcity, even in the 1980s.

BB: I will never go there again … unless Kṛṣṇa Himself wants me to do so. In retrospect, I have several reasons to believe that NV was cursed from the beginning.

Henry Doktorski III

Yes, the beginning was inauspicious. As noted in "Gold, Guns and God," Vols. 1 and 2, Kirtanananda and Hayagriva wanted to start an LSD commune in direct competition with ISKCON. Only after several months without attracting many students, K & H decided to apologize to Swamiji and ask to return to ISKCON.

BN: Had the author spoken to me I could have given him more insight into Hansadutta and Mt Kailasa. I was living there at the time. 

What is a GBC Guru? / Varada Krishna Flips / Vivek / Hansadutta 10 22 26

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, after making illicit sex deviants as acharyas for decades, now the GBC is having "intense discussions" about the position of GBC guru. What is a GBC guru? Nobody can say for sure! What we can say for sure is, anyone who disagrees with these gurus can be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. That is fer sure! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

 

PADA: Varada Krishna's first video says Madhu Pandits's Bangalore is correct because they are connecting people to Prabhupada [and not the GBC's illicit sex deviants posing as gurus]. Then all of a sudden he is defending the illicit sex with men, women and children GBC's messiah's program. We need to connect to that process.

OK someone right away said, he is getting paid by Bombay ISKCON. I dunno, but this is odd. Even more odd are some of the comments, "we are confused by all this." Oh yeah, should I worship Jesus as my guru? Or maybe the town's skirt chasing drunk as my guru? I dunno, it is too hard to decide! You are not confused, you have no understanding of basic mundane moral platform because you are not a religious person. 

Heh heh heh. ys pd

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, Vivek Ramaswami is running an ad featuring his opponent's biological mom, calling his opponent a liar. Well as it turns out the mom was married to a man who was raping the daughter (his opponent) from 9 - 12 years age, when she was a child. 

A court convicted the man and the mother lost custody in 1978. Now Vivek Ramaswamy is using testimony from the mom to prove his opponent is a liar. Wait, the victim who testified she was raped as a child is a liar? 

So yeah, this is making more people believe the MAGA group is a pedophile friendly program, covering for Epstein and so on. Then JD Vance came out in support of attacking the child rape victim. I have to agree with the people saying this is highly disgusting. The victim has already suffered trauma, and they are trying to make more trauma for the victim, and glorify the mother who aided and abetted the rapist. Family values MAGA people?   

And if the mom was harboring and hiding the rapist to avoid his prosecution, why isn't she being arrested for harboring a fugitive, obstructing justice etc.? Instead she is being given a highly respected guest / glamour spot on MAGA advertising. And yeah, it does have the look of being pro-pedophile and anti-victim. 

But PADA has some angry MAGA folks out there complaining we should not attack MAGA. OK if MAGA leaders are attacking rape victims, and promoting people who aid and abet pedophiles, I do not see how they are a whole lot better than the GBC? It looks like the identical agenda? 

MAGA is losing steam, evidently because all the things they promised, including investigating Epstein, has not happened and thus it looks like the Epstein agenda is being protected, because big MAGA people are involved. I dunno, but people are asking.  

What do we know? This is not good pilgrims! ys pd  

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HANSADUTTA

Well after Hansadutta declared that Kirtananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and he cleaned out the Berkeley temple to send everyone to New Vrndavana, shortly after that Sulochana went down. Yuvati called the law enforcement guys and targeted Tirtha as the hit man, and he was arrested -- but he was seen in Berkeley doing surveillance on my pick up truck -- according to officer Joe Sanchez. They told me "you are next" and they wanted to send me to Kansas. 

Then a few days after Sulochana went down, I was confronted near the temple by three enforcers from New Vrndavana who were sent to "take me on a friendly picnic in the country." The Berkeley PD had been tipped off by the FEDS, who were tapping Hansadutta's phone, that they were coming for me, to take me away. And they had two cars with undercover guys inside following me around, and they yelled into their car loud speaker, everyone freeze. In other words, after I saved Hans from being taken out by a disgruntled husband whose wife he was stooping, Hans decided to thank me by sending me to the morgue. 

Thanks a lot dude! Later on he came back to Berkeley and was all smiley with me, "oh yeah we all went crazy didn't we"? He tried to make a joke out of sending people here to take me out. I think he has now found out that the higher authority is not laughing and he is in a heap of trouble. But yeah, the Berkeley PD said to me, the Krishna's won't eat a cow, but they will eat you for lunch. And they would have ate you for lunch if we were not around. Eric Johanson at the time was joining the Bhaktipada people saying me and Sulochana are drunks and not following, which Sulochana said -- was done -- to mark us as targets -- to make us look bad -- to take us out. Sulochana was 100% right. ys pd

VK: We’re all a little mad so it’s all the right then yeah?! Ridiculous!

JB: You said the enforcers were from New Vrindavan. Why did you say Hansadutta sent them?

PADA: The FEDS said Hansadutta was making phone calls to arrange for them to come, and two of them were Hansadutta's disciples. I did not say that he was arranging, the FEDS said that. ys pd

ERIC JOHANSON

In 1986 we at Mt. Kailasa brought the first lawsuit against Kiranananda, Hansadutta and New Vrindavana, so you weren't the only one afraid of being shot. You an your slimy victim game. Besides, it wasn't til years later that I wrote that I thought you and Sulocana weren't following. He was long dead by then.. So I never "targeted" him or anyone. You continue to just make up stuff to promote your victimhood. 

No doubt you can reference Srila Prabhupada saying that's pure devotional service. Anyway, it's now well documented by Doktorski that Sulocana was smoking dope. God, you're unpleasant. No wonder you're one of the most reviled devotees..


PADA: Kailasa Chandra says, and still says, we are drunks and sahajiyas to discredit us, and it worked, he made us targets. Sulochan said they are calling us that to make us targets, and now he is a slimy victim, who makes things up? He is a victim, and he said he was going to be taken out because they are discrediting him. He is correct. You said the people in Berkeley were also saying we are not following, and those are the people on their way to New Vrndavana. You are citing them, our hunters. 

If people are complaining about child predators mass mistreating children, who cares if they are smoking pot? Are children less important than pot? We had to sue the GBC for $3M and $400M for mass child mistreatment, which means, the meat eating karmis know that pot smoking and children are not equal important. But yeah, we sued the people calling us names and now they hold a grudge, because the courts ruled against "the only pure devotee on the planet" Kirtanananda. 

Yep, saving children from mistreatment is mighty unpleasant, especially when those people do not know that pot and children are not equal important, while the karmis do know. I am not worried about my victimhood, but children and Sulochana are victims, and I represent their cause. And he is a not a slmy victimhood person, he says calling us names makes us targets, and he is -- gone -- thanks to that agenda. Yeah the devotees revile me, because we exposed their whole mass mistreatment of children process and they lost in court. Sour grapes. ys pd


KB: How about toxic poisoned grapes? They are upset the child molesting was exposed, the real issue. People who expose child molesting in a cult are ... reviled by the cult. We already knew that!