Hari Parshad Promotes Dangerous Sahajiya-ism 07 26 26

PADA: OMG this Hari Parshad fellow says, the ISKCON institution is made up of regular Joe folks like you and me, so we have to expect that there will be problems, fall downs and quarrels etc. Wait? The institution has been comprised of over 100 pure devotee / perfected / paramahamsa / Vishnupada / acharyas, and rasika perfect acharyas who are assisting the gopis no less. They are assisting the gopis, and thus they are regular "human beings just like you and me." 

Hari Parshad's guru Radha Govinda das Maharaja's Vyasa pooja is advertised on ISKCON Vrndavana's video web site. Yep, there you have it, the people who bury homosexual pedophiles and porno swamis in the dham are with his group. Why don't these people know their homosexuals and pedophiles bogus messiahs should not be buried near the samadhis of the Goswamis and others? 

Hari Prarshad says we need to understand the Goswamis, when an ordinary mundane news media person asks PADA "what exactly is homosexual pedophile samadhi"? That means an ordinary news media person knows more than their whole assembly, including Radha Govinda Das Maharaja, put together. 

"We should respect all traditions," which is why we ban, beat, sue and kill anyone who worships Srila Prabhupada. OK we respect everyone EXCEPT the people who worship Prabhupada. They have to be beaten with shoes, and we should spend $20,000,000 fighting to remove them from their temples. But we do NOT spend even a penny removing the worst case bogus gurus in India! They get to stay!

How can regular Joe people like you and me be worshiped as good as God gurus? I forgot, most of their good as God acharyas fell down, blooped and etc. So every day we sing that the guru is eternally engaged in assisting the gopis, and at the same time, he is drinking Vodka and having sex with half dozen female disciples. WTF?   

Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks gurus are ordinary men is a resident of naraka, or hell. It is amazing that ISKCON folks keep saying it is common for acharyas to fall into material deviations, and in fact most of their acharyas have done so. And that is because -- eternal gopi assisting acharyas are regular Joe peons like you and me. I have also seen photos where Hari Parshad is hanging out with ISKCON dignitaries like Sacinandana swami, Jayadvaita and Dravida etc. 

OK Jayadvaita says the ISKCON gurus are falling down into illicit sex with men, women and maybe children, and that is the standard for the guru associates of Krishna. (???) The Hari Parsad program gurus are having sex with everyone in the house, and maybe rubbing the house cat on their genitals, as one of Jayadvaita's gurus was allegedly doing. And that is the standard for Krishna's successor gurus?

And these are the guru associates of Krishna, engaged in assisting the conjugal affairs of God no less, as they are praised daily with their guruv - astakam prayers, annual guru poojas etc. Where do they come up with all this garbage? The guru is an assistant to God, therefore he is having sex with men, women, children, and -- maybe -- cats? And these Hari Parsad and Sridhara Srinivasa ICC folks are VEDIC scholars, allegedly, but they do not know this is wrong? But any hamburger eating USA citizen already knows, illicit sex with men, women and children is NOT guru.

Never mind, oh oh -- their gurus are not even regular Joe citizens like you and me. You and me regular Joes are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. And we think that behavior is disgusting and sinful, and not the pastimes of God's guru associates. Their gurus are more degraded than us regular Joe people. 

Of course even the fallen regular Joe people who engage in illicit sex do NOT ever think this is the behavior of God's eternal associate acharyas. They know better than the entire Hari Prashad group -- never mind mixing fallen guru behavior with God's conjugal gopis. This is a GIANT INSULT to the gopis. 

OK and Hari Parshad is giving lectures on entering RASA, at the same time the RASA gurus in his program are sometimes drunks and debauchees. Mixing mundane sex, and the principle of eternal rasa with Krishna, and gurus, and Krishna's successors etc. is called sahajiya (cheap imitation) by Srila Prabhupada. And furthermore, the mixing of debauchees and rasika program's sahajiyas have destroyed the Krishna faith in Bengal, and maybe everywhere else. And that is why Srila Prabhupada says, these sahajiyas -- are gliding to hell. 

And Srila Prabhupada says this process "dragged all of Bengal to hell." At the same time people like Jayadvaita and others are promoting Lokanath as an acharya, and he is a known predator of an 11 years old girl. And Kirtanananda, a known homosexual pedophile, is buried in a samadhi etc. So all sorts of children have to become victims for their program to work. 

Then we have the Hari Parshad issue of the individual and the institution. OK an individual like me tells Jayapataka the children are suffering under their program, and moreover telling children to worship debauchees is corrupting the morals of minors. And then he just kicks me out, and tells me to take this to court. 

So then we have his program sued for $3M and later $400M. And then JPS sees me in LA and he runs at me screaming like a stuck pig. He is angry that I am saving children from being starved, beaten, molested and committing suicide in his process. Then later his followers write to complain I have helped various lawsuits costing them total $100,000,000, and I am the biggest expense in ISKCON. More than the TOVP building. 

OK it never occurs to these people, to listen to the individuals? OK like me, and that would have saved them $100,000,000 never mind all the molesting and suicides problems. Sorry they do not accommodate the individuals. So we are regular Joe people and so are they, and therefore they send out hit squads of enforcers to take us out of our bodies for challenging their homosexual and pedophile messiah's club. 

How are we all one and the same? We are not sending out hit squads to remove them from the planet? They are? Why are we one and the same with this mob hit messiah's program? So I am sorry to have to inform these people, but illicit sex with men, women and children is not the qualification of rasika acharya members of the parampara. 

So we have to help the individuals come to Krishna, and as soon as they do, we ban them, beat them, sue them, kill them, and slap a $20,000,000 lawsuit on the Bangalore devotees for the crime of worshiping Krishna's pure devotees, and not ISKCON's homosexuals and pedophiles sahajiya messiahs, who are just like you and me -- orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and murders. Yep, that is what we regular Joes are doing all the time! 

Where do they find these pervert guru lovers? And now you know why they are allowed to speak at ISKCON, and we are not. Did I forget to mention thousands of kids had to be thrown under the bus and mistreated and alienated for the Hari Parshad homosexual and pedophile guru program to flourish? This is a dangerous program not only for kids, but us whistle blowers can end up banned, beaten and -- dead. That is why Srila Bhaktisiddhanta says, when our men will become sahajiya, it will be more dangerous. And it is. Yeesh, Srila Prabhupada is right, these sahajiyas drag everything to hell. And they have. 

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OSHO: "BY THEIR FRUITS HE SHALL KNOW THEM"

The rise and fall of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (later known as Osho) and his movement (the Rajneeshees) is one of the most remarkable stories of 20th-century cult history. What started in Pune, India, as a mix of Eastern philosophy, Western human potential therapy, and counterculture free-love ethos morphed into a militarized, high-stakes criminal organization when the commune relocated to a 64,000-acre ranch in Wasco County, Oregon (Rajneeshpuram) in the 1980s.
The main controversies and criminal actions surrounding Osho and his inner circle—led largely by his right-hand lieutenant, Ma Anand Sheela—span several key areas:
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## 1. WEALTH & THE 93 ROLLS-ROYCES

* **The Illusion:** Osho taught detachment from material possessions to his followers, but accumulated staggering wealth himself.

* **The Reality:** By 1984, the commune had acquired **93 Rolls-Royces** for Osho’s personal use (a daily drive down the commune’s roads was a staged holy ritual called "the drive-by").

* **Financial Exploitation:** Followers performed unpaid or minimally paid physical labor (often 12–14 hours a day) and handed over personal life savings, inheritance, and real estate to fund the fleet, expensive diamond-encrusted watches, and the commune's vast expansion.

## 2. EXPLOITATION: PROSTITUTION & DRUG-RUNNING

* **Funding the Dream:** Running Rajneeshpuram required millions of dollars a month. Former commune members and investigative accounts (such as *The Rajneesh Chronicles*) detailed how followers were pressured into extreme measures to bring cash to the ashram.

* **Sex & Smuggling:** High fees for "therapy groups" in Pune and Oregon led some female followers into sex work in cities like London, San Francisco, and Hamburg, with earnings funneled back to the ashram. Additionally, several inner-circle members engaged in international drug smuggling (primarily hashish and MDMA/Ecstasy) to generate large capital flows.

## 3. HOMOPHOBIA & BIGOTRY

* **Rejection of Gay Followers:** Despite claiming to preach absolute freedom and love, Osho made deeply homophobic statements throughout the late 1970s and 1980s.

* **Scapegoating during AIDS:** When the HIV/AIDS epidemic emerged, Osho declared that homosexuals were "perverted" and responsible for the disease. He instituted strict quarantine rules within the commune, ordering that gay people or people testing positive for HIV be segregated or banished to protect the community.

## 4. NITROUS OXIDE & DRUG DEPENDENCE

* **Private Addiction:** Behind the public persona of an enlightened master who transcended human frailties, Osho suffered from severe chronic pain, dental issues, and insomnia.

* **Gas & Sedatives:** He relied heavily on **nitrous oxide** (laughing gas) and heavy prescription sedatives (such as Valium/diazepam) administered daily by his personal medical staff, particularly his dentist and personal physician (Devaraj/Dr. George Meredith). Former inner-circle members reported that many of his daily discourses were dictated or influenced while under the influence of nitrous oxide.

## 5. TAX EVASION & IMMIGRATION FRAUD

* **Fake Marriages:** To bypass U.S. immigration laws and secure permanent residency for Osho and foreign followers, the leadership arranged hundreds of 

**sham marriages** between American followers and foreign sannyasins.

* **Financial Concealment:** The commune hid millions of dollars offshore, utilized complex shell companies, and evaded income and property taxes in Oregon, triggering massive federal grand jury investigations.

## 6. WIRETAPPING & PARANOIA

* **Internal Surveillance:** As legal pressures mounted, the inner circle under Ma Anand Sheela created an elaborate, illegal wiretapping network.

* **Total Control:** Microphones and recording equipment were bugged into every office, the commune’s phone lines, the homes of key commune officials, and even **Osho’s private residence**, allowing Sheela and her security team to listen to and record thousands of hours of conversations to weed out disloyalty.

## 7. THE 1984 SALMONELLA BIOTERROR ATTACK

* **Targeting Local Elections:** In an effort to influence the 1984 Wasco County elections and take control of the local government, the commune's leadership launched the **first and largest bioterrorist attack in U.S. history**.

* **Poisoning the Town:** Commando-style teams sprayed *Salmonella enterica* on the salad bars of 10 restaurants in nearby The Dalles, Oregon.

* **The Toll:** **751 people** became severely ill, and 45 were hospitalized. The goal was to render non-commune residents too sick to vote on Election Day.

## 8. ASSASSINATION PLOTS

* **Targeting Federal Officials:** The commune established a clandestine laboratory to cultivate dangerous pathogens (including attempts to harvest typhoid and HIV).

* **Hit Squads:** As federal prosecutor Charles Turner opened investigations into their immigration fraud and illegal activities, Sheela and her hit squad plotted to 

**assassinate Turner**, as well as other state officials and Oregon judges who opposed the commune.

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**The Collapse:** In late 1985, after Sheela and her core group fled to Europe, Osho publicly blamed them for the crimes to save himself. HOWEVER, A JOINT FBI AND OREGON STATE POLICE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT OSHO WAS FULLY AWARE OF AND ENABLED THE TOXIC ENVIRONMENT. He was arrested while attempting to flee the U.S. on a private jet, pled guilty to immigration fraud, paid heavy fines, and was deported back to India, where he later rebranded as "Osho."

Wow. What a mess Russia is turning into. But hey, oil and gas is eventually going to run out everywhere, no matter what -- and the world is not really getting prepared for that process. In any case, these people were cheering on their war, and now they have to pay the price. 

It looks like it is getting worse, since Ukraine is updating their current plywood and fiberglass longer range cruise missiles to higher grade materials that are much lighter, meaning they can go much farther inland. Meanwhile, it looks like the little lawnmower motorized jobs are making a lot of trouble as it is. 

Meanwhile Russia is trying to start an IVF artificial insemination program for all the women who lost their men in the battles. What good is having a family or baby, when there is not going to be a father? 

Middle East Muddle / Krishna And Cows / Rupanuga Continued 07 25 26

We are always with Krishna.

We simply do not always know it.

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Low Life Crazy Bastards Scum!

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims. The Iranian Government people are being painted as low life scum etc., by our "masterful top negotiators." If some gunmen were holding hostages in the bank, and I started yelling "drop the guns -- you savages, and low life crazy bastard scums," the police would arrest me for inciting these guys. They would think I was making things WAY WORSE. 

I have no idea why so many people think this is the topmost masterful negotiating technique? At the same time, there are plenty of actual low life drunks around San Francisco. Same thing -- calling one them on the street here -- "you are a savage, dumb, crazy, bastard, low life scum" would create a giant cat fight right on the spot -- and the police would arrest me for inciting things. 

In other words, even when dealing with an actual low life, we have to use diplomacy and at least appear to be a friendly agent in order to forward the negotiations favorably. It does not appear the name calling group has any real interest in making any sort of an actual deal here. 

It is amazing to me how so many Americans are thinking this is the past master "fourth dimension chess game" level of negotiating when it seems to me -- it is making things worse. Maybe much worse. But now we are begging someone to lend us some minesweepers, which means, we never had any actual plan to deal with any of this from the get go.  

The problem now is, Iran says, OK if you take us to the stone age, we will take the whole entire gulf region back to the stone age. And that would make a giant humanitarian crisis with millions of people having no power, water de-salinization and basic living accommodation. Never mind the oil processing would be blown to bits. There would have to be a mass exodus, or they would die.  

Of course this would create a giant worldwide economic collapse as well. I think this would make the "Jesus is coming soon" folks very happy, they finally made Armageddon.  

So now there is a lot of anger and frustration, which ended up with a lot of name calling. But that is making matters worse, I would tend to think at least. This happens to PADA all the time, "you crazy low life bastard scum ritviks." Umm, ok then, it means you have not ever had a good plan to deal with us, and so now you are frustrated and name calling. 

But yeah, IMHO this just makes things worse and does not solve the issues. If the "negotiations" are not going well, I think we can easily see why not. But unfortunately, the Armageddon-ites are running the show and calling the shots right now, and we could be in for a bumpy ride. 

Then again Srila Prabhupada said exactly that, make farms, this system is not going to last. This also reminds me of so many important and powerful Princes and Kings at the time of Krishna. They could see Krishna is wiping out their pals over and over. But they could not resist -- also attacking Krishna. They just have the nature of destroying, attacking, fighting, and without seeing it until it is too late -- creating their own destruction in the process. Either fortunately or not so much, Krishna fulfills all desires. 

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From the Śrī Kṛṣṇa-Bhāvanāmṛta-Mahākāvya by Śrī Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura.

Chapter Four

In addition to herding the cows from one forest to another throughout the day, Kṛṣṇa also milks them morning and evening in barns whose opulence rivals the palaces in the heavenly kingdoms. As soon as He rises, Kṛṣṇa, accompanied by Balarāma and friends, goes straight to the barns, where He moves amongst the cows like a black bee flying amongst different coloured lotuses.

Nandarāja has cows of various sizes, colours, and bodily constructions, with horns in different shapes and sizes. Kṛṣṇa loves them all equally. Kṛṣṇa enters the barn and calls His cows by name, “Gaṅgā! Godāvarī! Kālindī!” And the faithful cows low joyfully as they smell His fragrance and drink His beauty though their eyes.

Govinda caresses Nanda’s cows with His nectar-giving hand, showing the type of love only a son can have for his mother. The cows too lick Him with greater  affection than they have for their own calves. Since there are too many cows for Kṛṣṇa to milk them all, He only milks a few, placing the milk vessel between His knees and the weight of His body on His toes. His friends milk the rest.

Actually, no one needs to milk the cows, for as soon as they gaze upon Kṛṣṇa’s face, milk automatically drips from their udders out of love. Still, Kṛṣṇa milks them just to reciprocate that love. In the afternoon, after Gopāla returns with Balarāma from the pastures, He separates the cows, their udders swollen, into different groups, and herds them into the appropriate barns or corrals.

One day Kṛṣṇa was eager to milk the cows, but Nandarāja said, “Son! Let the cows rest and the calves drink. Go home and let Your mother bathe You. Rest a bit, and then come back to milk the cows.” After following His father’s orders, Kṛṣṇa eagerly returned with His friends to help the cowherd men milk the cows. Sometimes they milk them in the barn; sometimes they milk the cows outside.

Whenever Rādhikā hears that Kṛṣṇa is outside milking the cows She comes to the watchtower by Pāvana-sarovara and drinks with the cup of Her eyes Kṛṣṇa’s ambrosial form and movements. At times, Rādhā’s eagerness to see Kṛṣṇa overwhelms Her; then, as She remembers that Her friends are present, bashfulness overcomes Her. 

Lowering Her face, She loses sight of Her lover. At one such time Viśākhā-devī continued to describe Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes as Rādhā hid Her face: “Friend! Just listen! When Hari calls the cows by name, they jump over each other just to come near Him. 

“Pleased with them, Kṛṣṇa’s eyes glow with tears of love as He kneels on the ground, holds a gold bucket set with jewels between His knees, and expertly milks one cow after the other.

“First Kṛṣṇa worships mother earth with a few squirts of milk, then moistens His fingers and the cows’ teats with milk, and finally He begins the milking itself, skillfully moving His hands up and down. “As Kṛṣṇa milks, attractive sounds like ‘san, san’ and ‘ghaṁsa, ghaṁsa’ resound from the bucket. 

The reflection of His face in the quickly filling bucket resembles the moon rising from the milk ocean. “As Kṛṣṇa leans against the cows’ bellies, His turban is pushed to one side, freeing locks of His hair to swarm about His perspiring forehead like bumblebees greedy to drink the beauty of His face.

“While He is absorbed in milking, Kṛṣṇa’s normally restless eyes are still, but around Him the cows are restless to be milked and the gopas are rowdy, shouting, ‘Come here!’ ‘Hurry up!’ ‘Take them!’”

As Viśākhā was speaking, one of Kṛṣṇa’s friends told Him that Rādhā was spying on Him, so He stealthily left His service and unseen by others crept away to the tower from where the gopīs were watching. In this way Govinda finished milking His father’s cows, just as He did every morning and evening, for He felt as bound to reciprocate the love of the cows as He did the love of the gopīs.

While herding, Kṛṣṇa runs amongst the cows. While the cows rest, He lies down with them. To purify Himself, Kṛṣṇa enjoys smearing His divine limbs with the dust raised by the cows’ hooves. Kṛṣṇa lifted Govardhana Hill to shelter the cows. And He ignored Indra, king of heaven, until Indra took shelter of a surabhi cow. Such is Kṛṣṇa’s love for the cows, with whom He drinks from Vraja’s lakes.

Kṛṣṇa considers the cows and bulls of Vṛndāvana His mothers and fathers. He greets them each morning with loving words, “O mother! Have you rested well? O father! Are you happy?”

Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī advises us to remember Kṛṣṇa’s transcendental cows in order to invoke their protection: “The hooves of Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s surabhi cows are decorated with sapphires— “Their horns are plated with gold set with jewels, and their white cheeks have crippled the pride of the snow-capped mountain peaks. I pray that these surabhi cows may protect us all.”

A throne is kept for Nanda Mahārāja at Nanda-baithaka, where he sits and counts the full churns of milk the gopas place in neat rows before him as his secretaries keep a running account. Just as Kuvera counts the demigods’ wealth, Nanda Mahārāja keeps track of the cowherds’ opulence, directing his servants and gopas, all the while looking down the road waiting for Kṛṣṇa to arrive.

Kṛṣṇa’s father strains his eyes to spot any clouds of dust that might be rising in the distance and his ears to hear the far away sound of Kṛṣṇa’s flute, both of which are sure signs of his playful son’s return. At the first indication Kṛṣṇa is coming home, Nandarāja, out of ecstatic love, becomes confused and loses count. 

His chief secretary then corrects him, saying, “O King! The actual count is this.”
And when Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma finally do appear before Nanda Mahārāja, he embraces Them, washes the dust from Their bodies with his tears, and has Them sit to either side of him on the throne.

Let us meditate upon the king of Vṛndāvana flanked by his two beautiful sons, Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma. He teaches Them arithmetic by tallying the churns of milk as they sit together on the throne. All these things go on in the area called Gośāla-sthāna, where the barns are situated, where the cows are fed hay, and where Kṛṣṇa and the gopas daily come to take the cows out to pasture.

To the right of the barns is the corral for Nanda’s majestic bulls, looking like the peaks of Mount Kailāsa. Kṛṣṇa takes great pleasure in speaking kind words to and caressing these emblems of religion. Kṛṣṇa has a pet bull named Padmagandha whose handsome, expansive gold-plated horns are studded with gems, whose hooves are covered with sapphires, and whose neck is garlanded with red flowers.
In Gośāla-sthāna in Vraja there are stakes to which Kṛṣṇa once tied unruly calves. Even today women worship these stakes. Simply remembering or bowing before them helps tie down the restless mind.

To tame the calves, Kṛṣṇa would gently place small bunches of tender grass in their mouths and lovingly massage their limbs. In this way they became tranquil enough to come along and graze in the forest.

Near the fence is Raṅga-sthala, the boys’ wrestling arena. Kṛṣṇa visits this arena almost as religiously as He does the barns for milking cows—but only after the milking is complete.

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RUPANUGA CONTINUED

Now, Śrīla Prabhupāda was not a regular guru. He was an ācārya. And there has been a limited number of ācāryas since time immemorial, especially since Lord Caitanya.

Not all of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disciples could be considered ācāryas. Why? Because they are not the teachers. Śrīla Prabhupāda is the teacher. Śrīla Prabhupāda is the book. They use his books to teach their disciples, not their own books to teach their disciples. They use Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books.

If they write a commentary on Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books, that is another thing. Devotees have done that, made commentaries on Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. They have not claimed to me that this is new, this is brand new, this is special. Anyone who claims that should be ignored.

Host: I would like to get your thoughts on this.

For instance, Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote to Hamsadūta in 1968 — and you have quoted this in your letter to the GBC — that he wanted his disciples, boys and girls, to all become proficient in our philosophy by taking the successive examinations: Bhakti-śāstrī, Bhakti-vaibhava, Bhaktivedanta, and then up to Bhakti-sārvabhauma.

It is like Prabhupāda was Bhaktivedanta. So those who inherit the title Bhaktivedanta by passing these successive examinations on Bhagavad-gītā, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Caitanya-caritāmṛta — they will receive these degrees.

And then Prabhupāda said — in that letter — that therefore they will be qualified to initiate their own disciples. And he said in that letter that even, “I am seeing possibly by 1975, all my disciples will be initiating.”

So how I see that — and Prabhupāda often said in his purports, just like in the Fourth Canto, Prabhupāda states, “This is the Vedic system: guru makes disciple, and then when the guru leaves, disciple becomes guru.” This is the Vedic system.
So what I see in the present-day milieu, the culture of ISKCON, is that this is the system that has been going on since time immemorial: naturally, we may hear from a person who inspires us in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and inspires us perhaps to take more shelter of Śrīla Prabhupāda. And that person is someone from whom we may want to take shelter for guidance.

PADA: This "regular devotee" initiation idea was never ordered, implemented, explained or systematically organized. The only people actually authorized to do ANY initiating were doing so as ritviks or agents. 

Srila Prabhupada also said at the same time, none of us should take karma (as gurus). But yeah they keep citing this Hansadutta letter, to a guy who is then a lifetime Vodka drunk who is having sex with half dozen ladies. And he was meant to be worshiped as a paramahamsa / parampara diksha guru -- due to some letter he got. 

Sorry, you guys making Hansadutta the example of your parampara has been the whole problem from square one. Hansadutta got some letter, that does not make him a pure devotee. This letter was also not the final word, the final word is -- the initiations will be made in future, by ritviks. Amazing, they find a letter written to one of their drunk and disorderly acharyas to prove he was supposed to be an acharya. Nope! 

But we understand that the real divya-jñāna is coming from the eternal śikṣā of Śrīla Prabhupāda. And therefore, it is the duty of regular gurus within ISKCON—

Rūpānuga Dāsa: I like that term, regular guru.

Host: Yes, regular — because Prabhupāda used the term.

Rūpānuga Dāsa: There will be regular gurus.

Host: Regular gurus. They are like the guide, the friend — not like, “I descended from the spiritual world, and I am associating with the gopīs and making tasteful arrangements for their affairs with Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa and the girls of Vṛndāvana.”
I never could buy that. It was so odd, because it seemed incredibly artificial and disingenuous.

But they are simply guides. And the duty of the regular guru in ISKCON is to guide their disciples to the śikṣā and the divya-jñāna coming from Śrīla Prabhupāda. And then they are fulfilling their duty. Would you agree with that?

Rūpānuga Dāsa: Yes.

The thing is that if someone approached me who liked what I said and wanted to get initiation from me — and that has happened in the past — I said, “No. Your initiation means to accept Śrīla Prabhupāda’s teaching.”

PADA: OK so we cannot connect anyone to the acharya, but their connection is with the acharya? This is contradiction. We cannot connect, but -- we can and we must. The ritvik idea is that we must connect people to the acharya, but that is bunk, because -- we have to connect people to the acharya. Circular argument.

Rocana says a similar thing. So they are really making the ritvik idea de facto, and the reason is -- we have exposed their false acharya-hood program. So now all of a sudden they are agents, and a ritvik is an agent. But, we cannot have agents, because then we would have to admit our false acharya program was a failure. OK. They are not being fully clean, their hands are still dirty.

ys pd 

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Doubful Gopal Das / Children Quotes / Sridhar Continued / 07 24 26

This is the actual path to liberation.

PADA: Gopal das (now deceased). He told my associate "there is only one person in the whole wide world who believes Srila Prabhupada was poisoned." Guess who that was -- PADA editor! Well sorry sir, there are many more, probably thousands more, maybe tens of thousands -- who believe Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. 

But these are the same ilk people who said -- no one believes PADA that there is a mass child abuse problem -- and so on and so forth. They just do not believe us, because they are drinking the GBC propaganda kool aid. 

In any case, Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being given poison, not PADA. They always confuse PADA's statements with Srila Prabhupada's, for some odd reason? Heard this many times, PADA is the lone wolf crying in the wilderness, no one cares what he says. 

Well fine, that simply means: the molesting issue, book changes issue, and poison issue were -- ignored by the masses. Nothing to brag about! 

Rather interesting, when we first announced the poison issue in 1997 -- Krishna Kanta, Yaduraj, Kamsahanta, and a few other "ritviks" told me not to introduce it because "we will lose our buildings in India." Then Mukunda UK started to complain that "PADA is a lunatic mad man." So these guys really did not like me forwarding the words of the acharya, and they tried to stop us -- but the truth has prevailed. Yep, buildings where homosexuals and pedophiles are worshiped "as good as God" messiahs are "your buildings." You own this hot mess. 

ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com    

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Srila Prabhupada Quotes on Child Protection

Concise takeaway:

Prabhupāda’s child‑protection teachings are clear, consistent, and extensive:
he repeatedly instructs no beating, no force, full protection, loving discipline, and emphasizes that children are Vaiṣṇavas, Vaikuṇṭha‑born, and must be treated with the highest care.

Below is the complete, sourced list of his documented child‑protection quotes, organized by theme, each beginning with a Guided Link.

Quotes explicitly forbidding physical punishment

“No physical punishment” —

“Encourage them to chant… but there is no question of force or punishment… never physical punishment is allowed.” — Letter to Aniruddha, Jan 10, 1972 “Child should not be forced” —

“Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense.” — Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha, Dec 10, 1972

Quotes emphasizing protection as a sacred duty “Children must be protected, not given freedom” —

“Child should be protected… According to Vedic civilization, a child, a woman, a brāhmaṇa, a cow, and an old man they should be given protection, not freedom.”
— Room Conversation, July 5, 1975, Chicago “Protection of children gives human 

life its best chance” —

“The protection of children gives the human form of life its best chance to prepare the way of liberty from material bondage.” — SB 1.8.5, Purport “Do not neglect this responsibility” —

“These children are Vaikuṇṭha children… we must be very careful to protect them… That is very great responsibility, do not neglect it.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

Quotes describing children as Vaiṣṇavas / Vaikuṇṭha‑born “These are Vaikuṇṭha children” — “These children are given to us by Kṛṣṇa, they are Vaiṣṇavas… These are not ordinary children, they are Vaikuṇṭha children.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

“Very fortunate children” — “All our children born of a Vaiṣṇava father and mother… are very, very fortunate.” — Lecture, Vṛndāvana, Mar 13, 1974

Quotes prioritizing child‑care over other services“Child‑worship is more important than deity‑worship” — “Child‑worship is more important than deity‑worship… If you cannot spend time with him, stop the duties of pujari.” — Letter to Arundhati, July 30, 1972

Quotes emphasizing loving discipline, not mechanical force“Discipline with love and affection” — “Try as far as possible to discipline them with love and affection… never physical punishment.” — Letter to Aniruddha, Jan 10, 1972 

“Voluntary, loving cooperation” — “Forcing will not make me agree… if there is love, I shall gladly do it… That is bhakti.” — Letter (Gurukula progress), 1972

Quotes stressing nutrition, health, and physical well‑being“Children must be taken care of nicely” — “Every parent wants to see that their children are taken care of very nicely… They must have sufficient milk… If they are undernourished it is not good.” — Letter to Satsvarūpa, Oct 9, 1971

Quotes on the spiritual importance of raising children“If you can make one child Kṛṣṇa conscious…” — “If you can make one child Kṛṣṇa conscious, it is a great service.” — Lecture, New Vrindaban, June 22, 1969 

“Children are our future hopes” — “Please also take care of the children. They are our future hopes… adolescent age is the most dangerous age.” — Letter to Hayagrīva, Nov 7, 1969 

“Do not lose even one Vaiṣṇava child” — "If we neglect somehow or other and if we lose even one Vaiṣṇava, that is very great loss.” — Letter to Stoka‑Kṛṣṇa, June 20, 1972

“Gurukula is our most important project” — “Gurukula is our most important project… If the children are given a Kṛṣṇa conscious education from early childhood then there is great hope for the future of the world.” — Letter, Jan 27, 1973

Quotes on parental duty and spiritual responsibility “Do not become a father unless you can protect the child” — “One should not become a father, one should not become a mother, unless they are able to protect the children from the imminent danger of death.” — Wedding lecture, Montreal, July 22, 1968 

“Raise your child in ideal Kṛṣṇa consciousness” — “You must work together with great responsibility for raising your new child in ideal Kṛṣṇa consciousness.”
— Letter to Jagadīśa, July 9, 1970 

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA CONTINUED

ND: I think you give yourself to much credit. Who would want to kill you. You deserve all our pity and prayers.

PADA: OK so after Sulochana was gone -- the FEDs came to me and said you are next, and now you are saying all this is not a problem. Sulochana getting offed and me almost getting offed is not a problem for Sridhar's people -- since people were already getting offed in the 1940s. It is a trivial problem, people getting offed.

ND: Your reply illustrates several logical inconsistencies and unsupported inferences. First, you accuse me of “mis-citing” your position, yet your own wording repeatedly shifts. At one point you insist you “never said Sridhara is responsible for all the mayhem,” but throughout your writings you repeatedly attribute the promotion of false gurus, the abuse of children, violence against dissenters, institutional corruption, and even attempts on your own life to his influence. 

Saying he was “not the sole promoter” does not materially alter the overall thrust of your argument. The distinction is largely semantic rather than substantive.

PADA: Yeah Sridhar is not the sole person responsible, but since he created false acharyas in the 1930s, he already knew that us dissenters would be in trouble, perhaps fatal trouble, if we protested his second wave of false gurus. So when he said none should protest -- I knew right away, he is making me the same target he made dissenters in the 1930s. He is placing us in danger, he placed a bull's eye on our backs, and he did.

Second, you repeatedly conflate influence with responsibility.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara is responsible, yeah, and we agree. Influence is making things happen direct or indirect, and the things that happened were mass child mistreatment, injured and deceased dissenters etc. He helped set all this in motion, just like he did in 1937. He created a Frankenstein guru in 1937, and then Sridhar became the darling "senior most advisor on the planet" to the 11. 

The 11 commonly said -- Sridhar is their senior advisor / shiksha guru etc., and he was also their position paper dictator. So yes, he was their main advisor in 1978. A person who supports something is acting, and is thus responsible for the subsequent reactions. Never mind he was still propping up Hansadutta in 1985 who was then sending his enforcers to take me out in 1986, and I would have been, without help from the FEDS.

ND: Even if Śrīdhara Mahārāja advised members of the GBC, it does not logically follow that he bears responsibility for every subsequent action those individuals took.

PADA: I never said the overall advisor is then responsible for each and every reaction, but he is generally responsible for encouraging the overall process. And he not only encouraged them, he was trying to take down our protest, so he was double acting -- supporting them and chopping out the opposition.

ND: Adults remain morally accountable for their own decisions. Advising someone does not make one legally or morally responsible for every crime, abuse, or failure committed years later.

PADA: Yes, Sridhara set the wheels in motion for the break up of the Gaudiya Matha, including offing dissenters, and Srila Prabhupada told us,it never recovered 40 years later. He made a mess in 1937 and it never recovered, Srila Prabhupada said that, it was dismantled -- and thus never recovered.

ND: Third, your argument repeatedly relies on guilt by association. Because Hansadutta or Jayatirtha visited Śrīdhara Mahārāja or respected him at one time, you infer that their later misconduct is somehow attributable to him. That conclusion does not follow. Association is not causation.

PADA: He encouraged them and told Hansadutta to remain as guru. Then Hans sent his enforcers out from New Vrndavana to remove me from the planet. Yes, he is causing this by encouraging them.

ND: Fourth, you leap from disagreement to intent. You argue that because Śrīdhara Mahārāja reportedly said “none should protest,” he therefore intended that you specifically should be injured or even killed.

PADA: Well none is no one at all, which means -- also me? How is it not also me? None means no one, that includes me for sure. How can you say none does not include me? None means no one, yes that means me. And I knew right away he was making me a target, do not protest, and I was a target.

ND: That is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. No evidence is presented that he desired, planned, encouraged, or authorised violence against you. Inferring murderous intent from a statement discouraging protest is speculation, not proof.

PADA: He already knew dissenters would be injured or offed after 1937? How did he not know I would also not be? Of course he knew I could be a victim. And I knew at the time, none should protest was making me a target, and I was. He made me a target, I knew that then.

ND: Fifth, your chronology actually weakens your conclusion. If, as you maintain, the GBC later severed ties with Śrīla Bhakti Rakṣaka Śrīdhara Mahārāja, then they evidently did not continue following his guidance.

PADA: You are not reading what I said? I said he made all the founding position papers for the GBC after 1978, which are still standing now on the GBC web sites. They did not remove any of these documents. They did not reject these documents, and there is no GBC statement that they are rejected. 

ND: One can hardly argue that the GBC simultaneously rejected him while continuing to act as his obedient agents. Those two propositions sit uneasily together.

PADA: They did not reject his position papers? Where did I say that, and where did the GBC say that? No, his transcripts are still official GBC documents NOW.

ND: Sixth, your argument is selective. Whenever a GBC decision aligns with your criticism, Śrīdhara Mahārāja is portrayed as the guiding influence. Whenever the GBC departed from him, broke relations with him, ignored his advice, or acted independently, responsibility is shifted back to the GBC.

PADA: Well he was their original cheer leader, and as I said already a number of times, they never removed his position papers transcripts from their site? So he set this in motion, and set us back by curbing our protest.

ND: This allows every negative outcome to be attributed to Śrīdhara Mahārāja while every contrary fact is treated as irrelevant. That is not a consistent standard of reasoning.

PADA: I never said he is solely responsible, but he is a contributor.

ND: Seventh, your conclusion assumes what it is trying to prove. You begin with the premise that Śrīdhara Mahārāja supported “false ācāryas,” and then use that premise as proof that everything flowing from those leaders is his responsibility. That is circular reasoning. The central claim—that his theological advice was wrong—must first be demonstrated rather than assumed.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada himself said Sridhar is responsible. Did Sridhara personally injure of take people out of their bodies himself, not what I said. I said he set all this in motion and Srila Prabhupada says he is responsible for orchestrating this process of false acharyas. And the results are attributed to the original agents who started it. And this is true even in court, the person who encouraged the crime or criminals is considered co-equal guilty.

ND: Finally, historical complexity cannot be reduced to a single explanatory thread. The post-1977 crisis involved the GBC, individual gurus, institutional culture, administrative failures, personal ambition, and many other factors. Assigning a disproportionate share of blame to one adviser oversimplifies a far more complicated history.

PADA: And the person who was advertised as the time as the senior advisor and shiksha guru helped mobilize and encourage all of these factors. I never said he was singular the cause, he contributed.

ND: Criticism of Śrīdhara Mahārāja’s advice is certainly open to debate. What is not established is the much stronger claim that he intended, authorised, or bears responsibility for every subsequent abuse, crime, institutional failure, or act of violence committed by others. Those conclusions simply do not follow from the evidence presented.

PADA: I knew right away his saying none should protest made me a target. And the FEDS called me and said, you are a target, and I was put on FED protection. I survived because the FEDS saved me from his process. I said right away he is making me a target, the FEDS confirmed that, you are a target. Sridhar has no authority to make the 1937 dissenters targets, or me. ys pd

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HENRY DOKTORSKI on Sulochana's wife's (Jamuna Seward) "new husband." 

PADA: Sulochana told me he has to get his kids out of New Vrndavana because his wife has married a child molester. No wonder he struggled mightily to get them out, and no wonder the regime had to silence him: he was right about this molester and a number of others, evidently including Kirtanananda himself. Yep, this is not the Raghunath Dasa ex-gurukuli in Hawaii.

July 24, 2023: On this date in history 3 years ago, the ISKCON Child Protection Office renders a decision on the case of Raghunath dasa (Ralph Seward) of New Vrindaban:

Yep, molester messiahs ki-jaya sir!

The decision in regards to Ralph Seward (Raghunath das)

This ecclesiastic decision defines the relationship between Raghunath das (legal name, Ralph Seward) and ISKCON New Vrindaban (INV) and its affiliates.

I. Intermediate Restrictions and Requirements for Raghunath das:
Restrictions:

As of July 24, 2023, Raghunath das is prohibited from entering the properties of ISKCON New Vrindaban and its affiliates and/or attending all INV events and activities, and those of its affiliates, either in person or virtually (online), until the following requirements are completed.

Requirements:

1. Raghunath das must obtain a psychological evaluation that includes determining any risk he may present to children by a professional approved by the Child Protection Office (CPO).

2. If therapy/counseling is recommended by the professional performing the psychological evaluation, Raghunath das must continue to see the therapist, as long as the therapist requires, and comply with all actions recommended by the therapist/counselor. The therapist must be one who is approved by the CPO.

3. Raghunath das must submit proof of complying with the above requirements to the temple president of INV, and the Director of the CPO, including results of the psychological evaluation and, if recommended, reports from the therapist/counselor regarding any ongoing counseling or therapies.

4. Raghunath das is responsible for all costs related to fulfilling the above requirements.

5. Raghunath das must write a letter of apology to the victims and submit it to the CPO for distribution.

When Raghunath das submits verification of compliance with all of the above requirements, and the INV temple president, the local GBC, and the CPO all confirm in writing he has satisfied all of the requirements, INV will evaluate the information and determine whether the above restrictions will remain, be removed or adjusted.

II. Permanent Lifetime Restrictions and Requirements for Raghunath das:

1. Raghunath das cannot lead public worship or perform Brahminical/priestly services at INV, and its affiliates, including (but not limited to) Deity worship, going on the altar, performing arati, leading kirtan, giving class, offering a garland to Srila Prabhupada’s murti, performing abhishek or speaking at any event hosted by INV or its affiliates.

2. Raghunath das cannot represent INV or its affiliates in any capacity, hold a leadership or managerial role, or position of trust within ISKCON New Vrindaban or its affiliates, including (but not limited to) temple president, Board member, advisor, or other management position.

3. Raghunath das cannot be named on any legal documents where he is representing INV or its affiliates in any way or signing on their behalf.

4. Raghunath das cannot interact with any children while visiting any INV or its affiliates’ properties (except those children who are his family members). Children are defined as anyone under 18 years of age.

5. Raghunath das is prohibited from entering any INV or its affiliates buildings or properties used for a school, daycare, or other project where educating or caring for children is the primary function.

6. Raghunath das cannot attend any INV or its affiliates functions, gatherings, or events, if a participant expresses to INV’s management or Board member or its affiliates’ Board member or management that they are uncomfortable with his presence. This includes attendance/participation both in person and virtually (online). Raghunath das must leave the function immediately when instructed by 

INV or affiliates’ management or Board member.

7. No gathering, function, or event supported, sponsored, facilitated, or promoted by INV, its representatives, or affiliates can be held at Raghunath das’ home or on any property owned, rented, or otherwise overseen by Raghunath das. This prohibition of INV’s and its affiliates' involvement extends to any gathering, function or event organized, in part or in whole, by Raghunath das, held at any location, including virtually (online).

8. Raghunath das cannot stay overnight or reside in any building or property owned by INV or its affiliates.

9. Any previous CPO restrictions placed on Raghunath das, if not covered in this decision, still apply. He can write to the CPO for clarification should he need it.
If Raghunath das violates any of the above restrictions/requirements, he will be permanently prohibited from entering all the properties of INV, and its affiliates, and attending all INV events and activities, and those of its affiliates, either in person or virtually (online). On behalf of ISKCON New Vrindaban

July 24, 2023

Jaya Krsna das, Temple President
Sarah Ferrer, Child Protection Volunteer
Anuttama Das, GBC

Varaha Mims / Raghunath / Sridhara Defender 07 23 26

Varaha Mims: RE Raghu John Giuffre Rg

Thank you PADA, I appreciate it. This has taken time for me to be able to open up publicly about the abuse that I went through as a result of my so called friendship with John Jeffery, Ragunath. Ragunath says there's no truth to my side of the story. But he has sexually assaulted me.

There were no witnesses present so it's his story against mine. From what I understand and from what I've been told from people who knew him when he lived in New Vrindavan as a youth studying under Bhaktipada -- he would a recruit other youth to be sexually exploited and abused by the Iskcon so called Guru. 

If he was taught to do this as a youth by Keith Ham, then what other weird habits has he learn from this unfortunate stay in Iskcon's notorious child abusing centers known as Gurukuls. 

So yes he is originally a disciple of His Divine Grace, AC Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabupad. But he spent way more time associating with Bhaktipada and his crew.
So the evidence speaks for itself. I am a victim, he is a weird predator.

And anyone who claims otherwise by supporting him most likely has their hand in weirdness or was misinformed. He spent a early little part of his life with a bona fide spiritual teacher. After that -- his karma changed and led him to becoming a notorious pedophile's Recruiter. And he exploited me.

As for me -- I apologize to the world community. And anyone who is affected by my action. Violence has a certain place in time to be appropriate. It was un-appropriate for me to return days after being sexually assaulted and react the way I did. 

Varaha Mims aka Vasudam

PADA: Sorry is John Jeffrey, the same as Raghu John Giuffre? Is he using different names? Very sorry to hear what happened.

Vasu Mims

Same person, i'm not sure if I spelled his name wrong or not. But those are the names that he goes by.

PADA: OK normally no one just tries to hack up another person without any preliminary cause. I get that. I always felt there is more to the story that you attacked him so violently. 

I do feel like Raghunath has some similar issues regarding the gurukula abuse, and perhaps is the cause of your attacking him. When I advertised his name with the Windle Turley lawsuit, some other kulis complained to me "why are you advertising that guy, he was a GBC monitor who was cruel to us, and he helped the evil program." At the same time, he did help the case to his credit, which helped others.

But it looks like he made more than a few enemies in that gurukula program, other than yourself. Of course now it is "he said, you said, he said." He will likely defend himself from your complaints. I also know that your entire Mims family suffered a lot already, and there has been some tragic situations within your family, so the whole Hare Krishna life has not been kind to your family. 

As for Raghunath himself, I think he has struggled a lot as well, so there is no actual winner here. He may have been one of the GBC's "classroom monitors" who was coerced by the GBC people to act badly with the other kids. I have heard that type of thing also went on with Niragadeva and other "monitors." And these monitor guys may have over stepped their positions with other children, and exploited them. Very reasonable to expect that happened. 

So it is a little like when the evil prison guards force the prisoners to beat one another up. This is very cruel, especially when done with children. Niragadeva ended up suffering a lot too, he ended up very bitter and distraught over the whole mess. Same thing, if I show any sympathy to him, his victims are not happy. And I cannot blame them one iota.

So who do I believe here? I believe both of you suffered a lot of evil. And it manifested when you tried to take him out. But I consider both of you to be victims. Having said that, the classroom monitors still are going to have to take at least some responsibility for their actions at some point, this life or the next, even if they were coerced. 

The monitors were generally the older kids, so they had a higher level duty to protect the younger ones. But I know there are special circumstances where they felt compellled to act badly. Having heard what happened to so many kid victims in these gurukulas, I am frankly not surprised entirely that it ended up with this violent incident. I am surprised at one thing -- there is not a lot more violent incidents, truth be told. 

But as I tried to say, there are no winners here except maybe it appears -- the GBC. They orchestrated hell on earth for you kids, and it almost looks like they were rewarded with millionaire lifestyles. But they won't get away with this, they will have to pay as well. 

Anyway I am glad you finally wanted to have your side of the story heard. Lets hope it will help you and Raghu heal this situation, put all this behind you, bury the hatchet so to speak, and move on with both of your lives. I feel terrible for what happened to all of you guys. 

And I even feel bad for the GBC guys who made all of this happen to Krishna's kids. Because they have no idea what depths of hell they are going to encounter for helping harm one single hair on just one of these kids, including you and Raghu, and for how many eons of time they will stay in those depths, for their role in orchestrating all this. You could say they are doomed to rot in hell for eternity, or something close to it. And I feel bad they have had to come to that state.

In any case, I wish you and Raghu all the best for the future. What happened to you guys should never have happened to either one of you. We, as a society, failed you guys, we also failed your family as a whole, and this is the unsavory result, and that is all there is to it. I wish you, and him, can find peace with Krishna at this stage of things. 

All this being said, we are all highly conditioned / contaminated souls who are trying to connect with Krishna, who is the Supreme pure. There are going to be a lot of problems when the supreme contaminated is trying to mix with the Supreme Pure, and there will be lots of misrepresentation, exploiting, cheating, false pure devotees, predators of all types, violence and all the rest of it. 

Our only hope is to try to hang on and hope we eventually get some mercy from the Supreme being. I believe Srila Prabhupada was poisoned to make a path for these exploiters to become gurus. And if he was poisoned, then there is going to be a lot of severe karma reactions for everyone, including the entire planet. 

And if the poisoners sabha then takes over his society, we have to expect all sorts of anomalies and catastrophic events to unfold, and they have. At the same time, having any connection to Krishna is way better than none. So we have a mixed blessing, we have some positive connection to Krishna, and at the same time unfortunately, some connection to the people who will kill Krishna's pure devotees, and cause hell for us. 

Is it our karma? I cannot say. The ways of the Lord are a mystery, even Yuddhisthira was in shock seeing all the dead bodies after Kurukshetra, what to speak of us lowly peons. Anyway, I wish you and Raghunath well, and hope we can all heal to some extent and move along on the path to Krishna.

Thanks for writing me and keep well. 

 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA VS PADA 

ND: You write as though you alone possessed perfect foresight while everyone else—including Śrīla Prabhupāda, the GBC, and senior Vaiṣṇavas—failed to see what only you could see. When I challenged you previously, you even claimed you had this vision from the age of eight.

PADA: Well yeah at the age of eight I already knew Sridhara's illicit behavior gurus are bogus.

ND: If your discernment was truly that extraordinary, why didn’t you identify the future child abusers, murderers, armed criminals, drug users, and other dangerous individuals to Śrīla Prabhupāda while he was physically present? If you genuinely foresaw all of this, why not prevent the catastrophe before it unfolded?

PADA: I am not Srila Prabhupada's boss. In any case I never said I was perfect, this is a straw man argument. Anyway yeah, Srila Prabhupada did know that these guys are trouble, he made numerous comments on how badly the GBC guys are. In the end he said they are giving him poison. He knew more than anyone what kind of situation he was dealing with. There would have been no need for me to have reminded him, poisoners, envious of guru etc, are evil men.  

That question was put to you, and you never answered it. Now to your latest claim.

PADA: I did answer it, I am not Srila Prabhupada's boss. And he did know they were up to no good. I never said he did not know they were up to no good. 

You write: “Śrīdhara was told people like me were protesting.” Thank you. You have just demonstrated my point. He was told. You were not present in the conversations. You were not part of the discussions between the GBC and Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja. You are relying on transcripts and your interpretation of them.

PADA: Well if I am protesting and none should protest, he is talking about me and no one else?

ND: But transcripts never tell the whole story. They do not capture every discussion before or after, every nuance, every qualification, or every circumstance.

PADA: "None" is all inclusive, no nuance there, none = no one = me.

ND: More importantly, knowing what we now know about some of the leadership of that period, is it impossible that they presented the situation to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja in a way that suited their own agenda?

PADA: Sridhar never asked to review the appointment tape, we did. He never even bothered to authenticate their claims, we did, and that is why he made us a target.

ND: After all, this is the same institution that later became embroiled in scandals involving child abuse, violence, financial misconduct, and other serious failures. It is also an institution that has been willing to revise and edit Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books, leading to decades of debate among devotees. Given that history, why do you assume every representation made to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja was complete and accurate?

PADA: I never said it was accurate, I said he fell for false information, he drank the GBC kool aid, and then tried to throttle us back from finding the real information.

ND: Then you say: “I have posted these events dozens and dozens of times.” That does not strengthen your argument. It demonstrates an obsession with discrediting a Vaiṣṇava who left this world many years ago. Repeating an accusation hundreds of times does not transform it into proof.

PADA: It means your claim I was silent is false.

ND: You then introduce Hansadutta into the discussion. Again, where is your evidence that Hansadutta’s later behaviour—his guns, alcohol, criminal conduct, or other deviations—was caused by or carried out under the instruction of Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja? Correlation is not causation.

PADA: Same evidence, Hansadutta played the tapes of his conversations with Sridhara saying he should remain a guru. Even Hansadutta said, Sridhara telling me to continue to be guru is THE WORST ADVICE anyone ever gave him.

ND: You cannot simply attach every failure of former ISKCON leaders to Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja without producing clear evidence. That is not history. It is guilt by association.

PADA: Hansadutta told us what Sridhara said, stay on as guru, and he had tapes, and his crew members told me the same thing.

ND: And let us remember one undeniable historical fact. It was Śrīla Prabhupāda himself who repeatedly glorified Śrīla Bhakti Rakṣaka Śrīdhara Mahārāja, praised his spiritual depth, sought his association, and entrusted him with significant responsibilities in the Gauḍīya mission.

PADA: He told us not to ever visit Sridhar after Himavati came back crying, saying they were making offenses at Sridhara's Matha. And we never did go there.

ND: So I return to the question I have asked from the beginning. Was Śrīla Prabhupāda speaking with a forked tongue?

PADA: No, he said this man ruined the Gaudiya Matha, and that is correct.

ND: Or are you selectively accepting only those statements that support your narrative while dismissing everything else he said about Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja? History deserves better than selective quotation. Vaiṣṇavas deserve better than perpetual vilification. And Lord Caitanya’s mission deserves better than endless attempts to rewrite the spiritual legacy of one of the most respected disciples of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura.

PADA: A person who makes bi-sex deviators into acharyas, and endorses 11 more deviators into acharyas is respected in India, ok, but not here, Westerners do not approve of debauchee acharyas. 

Hansadutta told Sridhara Maharaja he is drinking Vodka, taking percodans, and is having affairs with half dozen females. And Sridhara told him, there is only one thing to do -- stay in the Vyasa or the disciples will be disturbed. Again same thing, at age 8 -- I already knew that this is not the qualification of an acharya. 

The historical context is, I am saying intoxicated womanizers are not acharyas, and someone is saying I am wrong to protest. One of the intoxicated womanizers goes direct to Sridhara for "advice," and is told to stay in the Vyasa. None of this has anything to do with Lord Chaitanya or the parampara. 

Worshiping drunken womanizers is not the process. A person who endorses drunken womanizers as God's successor has no idea who is God and who is His succesor, and I knew that at age 8. 

One of the hubands of those Hans harem women was going to take out Hansadutta, and I stopped him from going to the farm and taking Hansadutta's life. Hansadutta thanked me by sending three enforcers from New Vrndavana here to take me out of my body, Sridhara's advice was causing me to leave my body untimely, the FEDS had to save me. And the same fate happened to other dissenters in 1940s. He is a danger to me and others, and children. Anyone who is trying to orchestrate fanatics to make me leaving my body by force is not an authorized spiritual person. 

I alleged that Jayatirtha is falling, and he was. And Sridhara supported him. And Hansadutta is falling, and he was, and Sridhara supported him. And this is all verified with me seeing the transcripts and hearing Hansadutta's tapes, as well as Hansadutta's top people who went there with him to Sridhar. As well as a number of sannyasas who went to Sridhara under Ramesvara in 1978-9. 

I need to verify that they were failing, when it is public info? I need to verify that children were suffering when I sued Sridhara's gurus for $3M and later for $400M fo mistreating children, and we won both times? I need to verify he supported a false guru in 1937 which resulted in dissenters being eliminated, when this was told to us a number of times by Prabhupada, and Narayan Maharaja agreed that dissenters had been dispatched in the 1940s. 

And that means Sridhara knew a dissenter like me could end up being dispatched as well. And he still stood by the false leaders and not us dissenters, telling us not to protest, makes me a target and I was. I was saved by the FEDS. This is not my personal recollection, this is all documented in Monkey On A Stick books and movies. But even if it is only my personal recollection, I know when people are out to exterminate me, and it is not your call to tell me I am right or wrong, you are not me. 

My kids grew up thinking I was going to be offed, were they in illusion? Or was Sridhar in illusion thinking there was no problem? My kids grew up thinking I was going to be offed by the guru program Sridhar supported, and they were in illusion and had no verified evidence to think that way, when my associates were being placed into hospitals with broke bones and -- the morgue. 

And never mind all the problems the children had, which you guys do not think was verified, but they were taking their lives and this is well known. But yeah, a person trapped in an alcohol soaked body like Hansadutta, should not be told to go back and sit in a Vyasa. There was a giant photo of Hans with Sridhara in the Berkely temple front hallway for years, we all saw it. You say this is not verified, what difference does that make to me? I saw it myself. 

I saw the Vodka bottles in the car. I was holding back a husband from going to take Hans out. I lived this stuff. It may be verified or not verified, it is my life and I lived it. You were not there, my kids were, they know how this all went down, and so do their peers. 

Sridhara taught that a Vodka soaked guy having affairs with half dozen women should go back to the Vyasa, and that is only one example of the problems found in his statements and transcripts. He said none should protest, he knows us dissenters can be targets for elimination, and he was helping the people who wanted me eliminated. 

He has no authority to help the people who want me eliminated. Sridhara did not have to teach immorality direct, he rubber stamped immoral people as acharyas and they did the job under his enabling. Yeah you are right, they wanted me released from my body, they wanted me eliminated. And that enabled all the child mistreatment. You got it. I am obsessed with taking them down, no they are obsessed with taking me down, and according to the codes of Manu Samhita, I have a right to defend myself from people who want me eliminated, as Srila Prabhupada says, even a rabbit has the right to run from the tiger. 

ND: You continue to repeat the same allegations, adding another anecdote or recollection each time, but repetition is not evidence.

PADA: They showed me the transcripts, which are still available on the Sridhar sites?

ND: The central weakness in your argument remains unchanged: you repeatedly confuse association with responsibility.

PADA: Sridhara is their cheer leader, not their associate. And he is blocking us from protesting.

ND: Take Jayatirtha, for example. You speak as though you alone discerned that he was falling. The historical record tells a different story. Jayatirtha was removed by the GBC in 1982 because his conduct had become known. That was not because of your private warnings no matter how much you want to take credit! The GBC flat out refused to listen to you remember!

PADA: Sridhar did not listen to me? He backed them, not me. Yeah by 1982 then everyone had to admit I was right, he was fallen and not a guru. That means Sridhara had no authority to promote a fallen person as acharya.

ND: Having nowhere else to go, he sought shelter with Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja.

PADA: They were already with Sridhar. He was a founder father of the Jayatirtha guru problem.

Showing compassion to a fallen man who has lost everything is not the same as endorsing his misconduct.

PADA: Showing compassion would mean, tell Hans and Jayatirtha to quit being guru frauds.

ND: To care for a spiritually broken person is not to approve of the actions that caused his downfall.

PADA: Acharyas do not fall down and become spiritually broken intoxicated womanizers, this is an aparadha to acharyas. Sridhar already approved of them and then said none should protest.

Otherwise Srila Prabhupada would be guilt of a greater sin!

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said they are gurus.

ND: The same reasoning applies to Hansadutta. You argue that because Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja met with him or advised him, he therefore endorsed everything Hansadutta did before or afterwards. That is a classic post hoc fallacy.

PADA: He told Hansadutta to stay in the Vyas, when he was deviating. That is endorsing him, and that is cheating the public and his followers.

ND: Simply because one event precedes another does not mean it caused it. Meeting someone, counselling them, or attempting to help them does not make one morally or legally responsible for every subsequent action that person takes.

More broadly, your argument rests on a false cause fallacy.

PADA: Hansadutta told me Sridhar's advice was making him want to take his life and leave his body, Sridhar was forcing him to act as guru.

ND: Virtually every tragedy that befell post-1977 ISKCON—guru falldowns, child abuse, violence, murders, psychological abuse and institutional failures—is ultimately attributed to one elderly Vaiṣṇava who neither appointed the eleven zonal gurus nor exercised executive authority over ISKCON.

PADA: He was advertised as the GBC advisor and he ghost wrote their documents. I never said he is fully to blame, but he is implicated. He was a co-conspirator.

ND: That ignores the actual individuals and governing body who made the appointments, administered the institution, and possessed the authority to act.

It is also an extreme oversimplification of history.

PADA: It is simple, he was their ghost writer, cheer leader, advisor and enabler.

ND: The difficulties experienced by ISKCON after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance involved hundreds of leaders, countless decisions, and decades of institutional developments. To reduce all of that to the slogan, “Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja caused it,” is not historical analysis. It is an attempt to explain an enormously complex period through a single convenient scapegoat. You repeatedly refer to “Śrīdhara’s gurus,” but they were not his gurus. They were ISKCON’s - Srila Prabhupada’s appointed zonal ācāryas before they ever sought his counsel.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never appointed any acharyas, this is a myth. This is "the big lie" and you are still repeating it. There is also no such thing as a zonal acharya, this is another Sridhar concoction.

I also never said he was the sole cause, I said he was their co-enabler, and he was. And if I am protesting intoxicated womanizing gurus and child mistreatment, he has ZERO authority to tell me to stand down. 

There is no evidence? OK that is what they said at the start of all this? I said Jayatirtha is not a guru, I said the children are being mistreated, the Sridhara people told me to shut the heck up because "there is no evidence." 

They always say that? That is why we had to take the gurus endorsed by Sridhara to court for $3M and $400M, the courts believed me, these guys do not. What can I say? Sridhar was not named in court means nothing, he was their number one cheer leader in 1978 and he is responsible for being that. He was the number one cheer leader of the false 1937 guru. 

Yes, Sridhara told Jayatirtha he was a guru, and then JT was taking karma, and that is how he went down so badly. We are forbidden to take karma, and Sridhara was telling Hans and Jayatirtha to be gurus -- and that means take karma, and that took them down. 

I am sorry that you keep referring to Sridhar's transcripts and tapes as "my personal experience." I was not even there when these were made? I referenced them later on because they became public info posted by the Sridhara people themselves on their sites, and the Hansadutta tapes were played to me by Hansadutta and his people at the time. 

None of this is my anything, I am simply repeating what was said by Sridhar. It is amazing that you think statements made by Sridhar are my personal memories, this is a record of what he said, not me? ys pd

Sorry, the cheer leaders, defenders, advocates, position paper ghost writers, hand maiden helpers, nomenclature designers of "the acharya of the zone" etc. are creating a situation. And they are liable for the results. The defense lawyers for the mob are responsible for the activities of the mob, it is called collectve karma. Sridhar was still propping up Hansadutta as an acharya even when Hansautta told him he was a drunken womanizer. "Stay in the guru seat." Simultaneously, Sridhara is saying none should protest so he can chop off our protest. 

That defended them. Yes, one event produces another, a chain reaction. Same thing Sridhara did in 1937, he promoted a false guru and dissenters were severely injured and some died, and Srila Prabhupada says "Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for violating the order of Guru Maharaja." That means he is responsible for those injuries and departures from those injuries. He created this situation. So is he responsible? Yes, he is. 

There is a direct link between the defenders of criminals and the criminal actions of the criminals. Sridhara Maharaja is responsible, and his statements were cited by them over and over and over, and his GBC ghost wrote position papers are still loaded on the GBC site as authorized documents now. We know what he meant, he supported them, and supported Jayatirtha and Hansadutta even after it was known they were deviation. There is a direct link between the legal advocates for the mob and the actions of the mob, because one is propping up the other. 

And this is why Srila Prabhupada says, all the defenders of Ravana were taken out along with Ravana, because they are co-equal parts of the problem. Meanwhile, to be proud that no one listened to me when I reported child mistreatment means, you are one of the cover up crew yourself. 

Why are you proud Sridhar and no one else listened and thousands of kids were vitcimized as a result? "No one listened to you," is not a badge of honor when thousands of kids were victims subsequently. And there is some current horror story coming out of Australia now, see what I mean? Once this machine is set into motion, and Sridhara is pushing the buttons, then it becomes as you say, a vicious circle. ys pd