False renunciants
Christian Jansen (Bhakti gauravani Swami) has two floors in Mayapur, one in Gita Bhavan and another in Gada Bhavan, which cost $10,000 each. One of them is in the name of his daughter and the other is in the name of Gada Bhavan.
He also owns a house in Jalón, the first one he bought with "a legacy" from Rasamrta's parents. A confirmed lie.
During his presidency, he built a floor in Nueva Vrajamandala in the wing of the president's office, which also belongs to him. Currently, he has granted land and houses to his political family, taking advantage of the fact that he is the trustee of the properties.
His ex-wife, Rasamrta, lives in Málaga in a temple house, without paying anything and enjoying a lifestyle of the rich. Recently, she underwent expensive therapy at an Ayurveda clinic abroad, which her ex, Jansen, recommended. They go to spas with their sister, beach, etc.
Jansen is traveling to areas like Hungary and Romania, because they are like us in the time of Bhagavan, making the same mistakes that were made here and accepting gurus and sannyasis as if they were God.
Devotees close to him in the administration at that time remember that Rasamrta was also "stolen" money from the baby stroller when she was entering on several occasions. They are thieves and those who associate with them will not advance in spiritual life.
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NEPAL MESS +
KEEPING LOKANATH AND KESHAVA BHARATI AS GURUS
LM Dasi: How I wish Srila Prabhupada was here. What a mess everyone is making, it breaks my heart.
MM: Little Hope left with these iskcon leaders who are like politicians dressed as devotees.
KL: We had an experience in India that led us to a difficult conclusion. The investigative process that follows up on the abuse is often more traumatizing for children and parents than the abuse itself. Sadly, based on what we went through, we felt it was safer to avoid putting our child through that system.
It may be better to handle such situations more privately, whether that means seeking psychotherapy or, where possible, addressing the issue locally without formal legal involvement.
If there were a way for a parent to go through the legal process without involving the child, I would consider it, in the hope of contributing to change. But as things stand, I could not risk exposing my child to what felt like an unprofessional, corrupt and deeply flawed system.
I went to the process as far as possible without involving the child, then when I learned from the police of the procedure (which CPO couldn't tell us) we withdrew the complaint. That choice came with its own challenges, including severe intimidation from the police, but it ultimately protected our child from further harm.
Inform yourself thoroughly of the procedure before taking steps. Of you don't have the finances or support, use chat GTP to get some basic information yourself. The police uses many unlawful tactics to intimidate you such as filming and letting you sign statements to corner you, trying to coerce people and get bribes from parties involved in the matter. Don't fall for it. Get yourself informed and make the right decisions before proceeding.
LM Dasi: I understand we should protect our own, I also understand that you didn't want to put your child through any more trauma but my worry with situations like you describe is that the offender is free to do it to other children because he wasn't brought to justice. In my experience when children grow to be adults who remember or learn the abuser wasn't brought to justice they will still want justice and they may contact the authorities themselves and will not understand why they didn't get it.
I don't write with criticism or judgement of your decision.
KL: Yes, I understand your concern. That’s exactly why we reported the case in the first place. But as it unfolded, it became clear that the cons would far outweigh any possible benefits. At some point, it just didn’t feel worth continuing.
When the process starts to feel like a noose tightening around your neck, slowly strangling you the further you go, you pull back. You withdraw.
And I think that’s one of the main reasons many victims rarely come forward. There’s no real sense of trust. No safety. Just the risk of more harm layered on top of what’s already been done.
It’s a dark pit.
LM: It's so awful. I'm sorry your family had to go through that and especially your little one. Justice will come one way or another.
SW: This is a good resource- same principles.… Moral Failings in the Pulpit Lead to Moral Injury in the Pews - Christianity Today CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM
TK: It has become glaringly obvious that ISKCON’s Child Protection has been infiltrated by demonic pedophilia. It can no longer be viewed as poor management. There’s no way pious souls would allow such nastiness to ruin our children. It’s sickening.
TW: I'm confused. The Kanai Sundar letter you're reacting to says that the CPOC team were doing a good job. Then, though, they were held and harassed by a temple management team. Kanai Sundar enabled their rescue, and he got an agreement that his involvement would be kept confidential.
His complaint wasn't about the quality of the investigation or capability of the investigators, rather that his name was leaked. He wanted assurances of protection, plus consequences for those who ambushed the CPOC investigators.
Your response begins wonderfully, covering the critical moral and practical importance of child protection. Then, though, it is simply critical of the CPO offices and their investigators. Not for the leak, but for their motives and competence, which you forcefully disparage. (Perhaps you have other information as basis, but nothing in Kanai Sundar's letter supports your charges.) And your letter doesn't even mention the criminal acts of the temple leadership against the CPO representatives.
Did I miss something, some other information? I've read both letters several times. - Thank you.
VP Devi Dasi: Child abuse has been present at Iskcon Nepal for 45 years and way before even the gurukula issue now. It has never been properly dealt with by either the local or the International CPO. When are the children going to be protected.
JB: Parents, stop sending kids away from you into the hands of unknown people! Vedic gurukula system can work if pedophiles don’t work there. Time and again, if the parents don’t learn then they’re the only ones to be blamed for their childrens’ abuse!!! These so called tilak dhoti walas are hidden rapists, maybe not all, but you only need one to ruin a generation.
SG: I don't know the circumstances of this case, but there's a lot of poverty in Nepal and it's quite possible that the parents see the gurukula as the only chance for their child to escape poverty and to get an education.
JB: Agreed. Exception should not be the rule. By law, no matter what the situation, abuse of children is a punishable offense and should be brought to the attention of the authorities and perpetrators need to go to jail.
MR: Well said. These very special God given children were put into the hands of trusted teachers. Most were honorable men and women devotees. However, when the demons want to kill God where do they start? By killing the Goddess! The heart of the Goddess is love so kill her first. By taking children from their mother the love lies dormant and never flourishes. Without the love of a woman( mother) compassion never develops.
Destroying love (Bhakti) disables the boy and he never becomes a man. These are techniques used to beainwash and manipulate the children. Tactics used by the demon class to kill God. Krsna will kill the demons, as we are seeing one by one. Our job is to hold tight to the lotus feet of the pure devotee (and recognize him/her) in every lifetime.
Prabupada never imagined the proliferation of pedofiles in the West, or the sickness of its leaders. Some shine a light on Iskcon, but as we have seen recently in the news it is rampart in our society. (The Epstein Class)
I pray for all the children affected and I pray it will not turn them from God. I pray for ISKCON. We are all part of God/Goddess and it is our only refuse. I hope the children obtain peace. The demons will never have it, I pray.
PD: Most cases are never known or reported anywhere. I know victims who tell me it is futile to advertise their complaints, especially now, because the same leaders who orchestrated the mistreatment process -- and covered it up all along -- are still in charge. If the victims complain now, they might very well be seen as radical fault finders and trouble makers.
And the leaders will simply continue on like nothing happened. I know one victim who says reporting will stop them from being able to go to the temple and they will be shunned and exiled out, so they have to suffer in silence. They feel they have to remain silent because there is no support system for the victims, while the leaders enjoy all the support, including massive legal support. Which is why -- it is no surprise to them -- the CPO is more managed by legal and lawyers.
Nevermind one person's predator is still a highly respected senior devotee in ISKCON who gives classes etc. The few cases that do get reported seem to end up without much proper resolution, and sometimes pressure on the victims, which is another reason victims feel little inspiration to take action. In sum, I think the few cases that are reported are more like the tippy top of the iceberg. ys pd
CEB: Yes.
LD: The Gurukul system was reintroduced under the divine guidance of the Shyaktavesh Avatar of Krishna, sent to liberate the world, Prabhupad!
SD: Sun Tzu said “No one profits from a protracted war.” Our shouting for change in the system has been eaten up by the void. In the end all I can ask “Who will rid me of these troublesome priests” Finish and klaar!
DD: Thank you, and also Kanai Sundara Prabhu. This is indeed very worrying. Unfortunately not a surprise. The problematic mindsets and conduct of CPO Bharat and CPOC have been evident for some time. Until checked, their "violent approach" will only intensify. Bad news for the movement's children everywhere.
It's clear that the CPOC, the GBC and CPO Bharat are not willing to take any principled direction. Divine intervention may be what it will take - most likely something quite catastrophic. That's how deeply unintelligent these people are. Only repeated argumentum ad baculum - more than our strong words, direct and fierce punishment by Maya devi - will bring these fools to their senses. May that day come soon.
MV: Shame!
MJ: An unrelated topic but bear with me. An old devotee friend posted that one of the four pillars of devotional service is not associating with non devotees. I was a bit shocked because it's years that I've thought like that. I made the point that I have some very fine and staunch non devotee friends. I have lived in this district for 50 years .
Another devotee mentioned that she gives her association to non devotees but doesn't take theirs. I retorted with a quip about my being a "born again karmi", but deleted it. Not wanting to be my cantankerous self.
But it blew my mind that someone could think like that. Does that apply to your non devotee family? What if your kids leave the movement?
I think this is the introverted cancer that infects the movement, believing oneself to be superior because of religion. There are absolutely no checks and balances on an individual level.
SC: Who is responsible for the CPO offices and the constant budget cuts, and staff turnover?
DD: Are these things "blunders"? Or are they executing flawlessly in line with their intentions?
GP: Obviously you know the answer, which at this point considering the 50 years of evidence, we must conclude, something is corrupt.
DD: I wouldn't go as far as to say that the driving intention is to abuse. This simply smacks of insecure despots seeking to stamp their authority and power on others
P Devi Dasi: The only Gurukula's worth going to are Day Schools where the children still live with their parents.
AB: It’s just Heinous to read this but unsurprising! Professionaly trained (in child protection) devotees were ridiculously ’outed’ from their positions for a ‘new’ CPOC team.
It has ever since seemed like a Cartel is in charge. SHAME on the GBC for allowing power and ‘mates’ to come before Srila Prabhupada’s mission!
Step up! Speak up! You have lost so many of the children that could be continuing the mission, that one man on his own started with such pureness!
Shame on you!!
SH: There is a disturbing truth behind these type of people that you have yet to face . And this world is full of them regardless of weather in krsna society or knot firstly . The parent are full responsible for there children. Know one else . So there for its there neglect that has brought this about so what . Blindly trusting is a sign of insincerity. There for one must correct this thinking . ..secondly these people are infected with paristes that control the brain and emotions.
They and there victim. Need to cleanse there bodies . From them . Modern schooling is left brain so the rigth brain doesn't develop. There by leaveing these people disabled . By which they no longer have emotions. There by no moral integrity. Or compassion . There all so played by lower etheric being . Which coach them to enjoy in this sinfully way . The parsites need new bodies to inhabit. So thses no human people are compared to act in this manner . Brain parsties can control the brain and emotions. Go figger do the science . Blindly following is not krsna conshioness. Putting on the clothes . Going through the momenion isn't awareness . .what do you realy think is being conshion. ????
DR: A regular karmi in robes probably not even being trained enough to teach and live the 4 regulative principles and chanting the holy names.
TC: How can these things be? I despair to see the institution, that my spiritual master sweat blood to create, stoop to subterfuge to protect the hierarchy from the ramifications of the TRUTH getting out.
As the saying goes: “The truth shall set you free!” Dharma stands on that one leg only. Do not sacrifice it, for the sake of protecting your own provincial interests, my brothers. Let the truth be known, and the purity which is the force behind true spiritual life, will emerge.
Otherwise, this institution is bound to lose all credibility in the public eye: exactly the opposite of what Srila Prabhupada hoped for. Protect your bhakti creeper, and let the truth out. It is the only way.
God help us all.
AB: We have been speaking out for 50 years as vaikuntha children with no respect or compassion from so called Vaishnavas thank goodness for people like DD and SR who have a bigger audience and refuse to give up on us!
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THE PANDEMIC -- AGAIN!
Jaya prabhu. OK I should have told people not to take the vaccine, and then lose their jobs. And have no money. And then what is the plan? You keep forgetting to tell me what you are going to do with all these devotees who will have no job. When you tell me the exact plan for those people, I can tell everyone.
