BBT / AISF / Goura Govinda Blames Children 07 06 26

I think some of us missed the boat.

Rather to our misfortune.

BALI MARDAN AND BBT 

There are different people coming forward nowadays to support original books, and that is welcomed. At the same time, this begs the question, where were all these people all this time -- when the books were being changed all along after Srila Prahbupada's departure, and some changes were even made in 1976. 

So it looks like some of the old timers, who have one foot in the grave, are now trying to revive the original books. But they don't seem to have an effective path to do that. We have some friends in Delhi court now, but lets face it, this is all taking way longer than it should have. People should have started on this decades ago. Bali Mardan is coming forward now, good, but when he is a day late and dollar short.

Rather oddly, when PADA mentioned the changed books, and other issues, many of my God brothers said PADA is "the National Enquirer yellow journalism" of ISKCON. OK fake news and not serious. Worse, some God brothers like Bhakta das said -- PADA is discussing ISKCON's deteriorating ghost town status; ISKCON's original books; ISKCON's children; ISKCON's Hindu hodge podge; even a poison complaint from the founder of ISKCON -- and this is all "stinky stools." 

And then Bhakta's disciples like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur joined in repeating Bhakta das. OK what happens when Srila Prabhupada's society / books / children / poison complaint are all "stinky stools?" Well then the bogus gurus / molesters / poisoners / book changers are all defended by obliterating the critics. And it is no surprise GBC guru folks send me quotes from these guys all the time.  

HKC Jaipur clan: 

Srila Prabhupada's books and children are 

"slimy stinky stools"

Our friend Dean Balaram is trying to unite all the ritviks together, and that is a great concept. But people who think defending Krishna's original books and Krishna's children is defending stinky stools, have not yet come to the platform of basic human morality. Therefore the Christian's courts, police and media had to help PADA, because these people would not and could not, and still don't. A victim told PADA, "the day is coming when all of them will suffer like we did, and everyone will call them stinky stools and not help them. They will become what they wished on us."   

So we first of all need to get people into the right idea of why Krishna's original books, children, the ISKCON society and Krishna's religion overall needs to be saved, before any of this can be saved. The good news is we are getting a lot of other supporters here and there, so I am not discouraged. I get encouraging messages from all over, on a regular basis. And our readership is WAY UP from last year at the same time. 

Overall, more people are coming on board: save ISKCON; save the books; save the children; and expose the poison sabha etc. These things are going forward on many levels. Someone just wrote today, I am a new person but accept Srila Prabhupada is my guru, and he wanted me to know that he accepts this idea. OK he is with us.   

Anyway! Somehow or other -- some folks confused Bali Mardan's book changes appeal with Vasanta's -- Jeffrey Dunan's. He posted an appeal 8 months ago. I think I mentioned it on PADA, but sort of could not endorse him without further info. 

https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-reprint-srila-prabhupadas-original-gita 

And it appears that donors may have been duped into thinking that the money is going to something other than his living expenses. He does not, obviously, have enough funding to do a printing of more than 200 books and, if we want to inquire from him as to what he did with that $956, I would think that our report may be useful for gullible devotees to receive -- so that they do not donate to causes that may be based, largely on material misrepresentations.

Different devotees have started programs and alleged funders for different things, including supposedly helping to get original books. Vasanta is one of them, and his other funder "Lotus Trust" mentioned in:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Humanitarian-Assistance-for-Bangladesh-Sri-Lanka 

is only a private trust controlled solely by Jeffrey Dunan - Vasanta and not subject to any IRS reporting requirements as to "gifts" received. There are a lot of folks who independently want to help get original books, but there has not been much or an organized process, so it has not gone very far in all this time. 

There are a few sites with original books, and it looks like that is the best way forward at the present time. I am not sure what exactly is legal and what is not, perhaps our best bet is to hope the books become public domain and then people can print them independently as required. 

But yeah, someone said, if we are down to guys like Vasanta and Bali Mardan saving Srila Prabhupda's books, we are in a lot of trouble. It is a sad state of affairs when the guru's original books cannot even be printed without all sorts of hassles from the GBC, when they should be happy someone is trying to get out the message of Krishna. They aren't happy with such attempts, clearly. Anyway, the interest is growing, something will work out eventually. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

M Dasi: Children are slimy stool bags. Women are worse slimy stool bags. That is what these ISKCON neanderthal brutes think. It is obvious to us -- women. And the children!  

This is what these misogynist women and children haters have always thought. We know what they think, it is just painful to see it actually said in the open. They are worse than the karmis, while pretending to be spiritual people. They cannot hide from Yamaraja, never mind hide from us. We know who they are. 

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A.I.S.F. Absolute Is Sentient Foundation

Branches Worldwide

With the blessings of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Founder-Acharya: International Society for Krishna Consciousness

#488

DATE: 5 July 2026

Re: GETTING AHEAD IN ISKCON (SATIRE)

Dear Prabhus,

ISKCON’S Ultimate Spiritual Authority, our ever-vigilant GBC, is always looking for ways to get ahead without blowing a head gasket. After years of rubber-stamping one blooped guru after another, finally the GBC has found a worthy acharya to head up their camp without rushing headlong into Maya as they have done so many times in the past 50 years. Yes, the GBC have declared The Head as the next bona fide acharya.

A few heady neophytes have dared to question why on earth the GBC would elect The Head as their head. Rather than calling a hit men to eliminate these newbies, the GBC has issued the following explanation:

“His Holiness The Head was the perfect choice as our head. For one thing, in The Head’s situation, it will be difficult for him to fall down and bloop. It is unlikely that The Head will establish a LSD cult, send out horny emails to female disciples, rip off the treasury, become an alcoholic, rape boys, waste millions on lawsuits, or other ‘guru pastimes’ that have sullied the holy body of the GBC over the past half century. There is little chance of his sneaking out to meet prostitutes in some dark corner of the town or performing gay dances at Hindu birthday parties In short, the GBC body needs a head.

Official GBC poster announcing The Head as the next acharya. Notice the subtle preaching about re-incarnation. “Nothing in this lifetime or the next.” Official photo of The Head Acharya. All ISKCON temples are required to keep this photo of The Head on a throne in the ashram. Here, The Head Acharya is instructing a disciple. “You are not your head,”

Darshan time!. Devotees recite their prayers to the lotus feet of The Head. At initiation, The Head whispers nectar syllables to his disciples. The Head teaches a worthy disciple the joy of serving the Guru. 

Lost in meditation, The Head contemplates enlightening the world. A disciple dances in ecstasy before The Head. Here Head’s disciple Shirsha Dasa tells his guru, “I’ll be heading out the door, Head Maharaja .. no pun intended.”

Prabhus, the GBC has stated that The Head will be glad to visit your temple and spread the joy of his realizations. Just send him a first-class ticket along with fifteen tickets for his army of servants.

Keep those letters coming, Prabhus,

The A.I.S.F. Team

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GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA BLAMES THE FIVE YEAR OLDS UPDATE 

TARUNI DEVI DASI:  

𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗲: Why have some devotees gotten gurus who later fell down?

𝗚𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗚𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗮 𝗦𝘄𝗮𝗺𝗶: They were not so eager. Krishna as paramātma in the heart knows what is inside. Those persons who got such gurus, they were not so serious. They were thinking, “I want a guru, and this person has been branded, stamped, as guru. I’ll accept.” But they were not so curious, so eager to know whether this person has Krishna cent per cent or not; whether he can deliver me cent per cent Krishna or not.” Krishna knows all these things and he made such an arrangement.

PADA: Wow the cruelty here is hard to comprehend. The reason the five years old children of ISKCON, many of them children of Srila Prabhupda's disciples, were starved, beaten, molested and according to some: witnessed Satanic rituals, is because five years old children did not carefully study if these GBC were gurus, or not gurus. So the children wanted to be cheated and then were starved, beaten, molested and then become depressed and perhaps suicidal, because they did not want to study the shastra? At five years old?

Why didn't Gaura Govinda Maharaja study the shastra for these children, and inform these children that the GBC gurus are not qualified? Nope, he told me he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with (help promote) the GBC gurus. And he said he has to stay in ISKCON, which means staying with the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club. 

𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗲: A lot of devotees are preaching that the only uttama-adhikārī is Prabhupada and that all of the present gurus are madhyama-adhikārīs. Is this a correct way to think?
𝗚𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗚𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗮 𝗦𝘄𝗮𝗺𝗶: The symptoms of madhyam, uttama, and kaniṣṭha vaiṣṇavas are given in śāstra, Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, Caitanya-caritāmṛta, etc. You should know these descriptions very well and thereby judge and see. Don’t be convinced simply by what others are saying.

PADA: What others are the others? Gaura Govinda Maharaja is promoting the GBC guru system. He is himself voted into that system. He is one of the advocates for that system. But why would his program keep saying, the five years olds need to study all the shatra. Why aren't the leaders studying shastra, and then explaining it to others, including the children. 

𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗲: But in the past, we thought some devotees were uttama-adhikārī. They apparently fit the descriptions, yet later they fall down.
𝗚𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗚𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗮 𝗦𝘄𝗮𝗺𝗶: No, no, no. They were not uttama-adhikārīs. An uttama-adhikārī never falls down.
𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗲: How does one know who is an uttama-adhikārī?
𝗚𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗚𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗮 𝗦𝘄𝗮𝗺𝗶: Caitanya-caritāmṛta and the eleventh canto of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam give descriptions. You should know these things. Don’t be rash and accept simply because of others’ opinions. You should be convinced. Others’ opinions are not sufficient. Just like followers of mundane political parties glorify their leaders in order to gain more followers. 

Our ācāryas have given an example: Like the sheep who are following a leader who falls into a ditch, they also all follow and fall in. Similarly, some devotees say, “So many are going to that person and taking shelter. Let me also go there.”
No one is thinking, “Is it correct? Is he a bona fide person? Is he a pure devotee, uttama-adhikārī? Can he give me Krishna?” Not thinking, just following. You have done like that. Can you admit it? 

You were not serious. You accepted someone just because he had been labeled “guru”. You were rash in your decision. But śāstra and the mahājanas say, “Don’t be rash.” The disciple should personally examine the prospective guru and the guru should examine the prospective disciple. 

PADA: Yep, Gaura Govinda Maharaja was leading innocent people into a ditch, where they were being banned, beated, molested, sued and killed -- and he told me he has to "stay with ISKCON" which means, he is defending this process as ISKCON. He was rash and did not examine if the people he was promoting are bona fide or not, and the result was, thousands of kids were abused thanks to GGM promoting a child abusing infrastructure. ys pd 

𝙎𝙧𝙞 𝙎𝙧𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙙 𝙂𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙂𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙖 𝙎𝙬𝙖𝙢𝙞 𝙈𝙖𝙝𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙟𝙖.

Printed in KK Bindu issue 186. Originally from a darshan in Bhubaneswar, April 1989.

PADA: This was just after GGM was voted into his illicit sex with taxi drivers guru parampara in 1986. "The children were rash and did not study the shastra, so they ended up with GGM's anal reconstructuve surgery epidemic messiahs." No, GGM did not study the shastra. He steered these children into a ditch, and now he has to pay for causing all of this suffering to others.

ys pd

Bali Mardan + BBT / BVKS Advice / Uttama Guru / Ramesvara 07 04 26

Real intelligence means: surrendering to Krishna.

RUSSIA IS A MESS

Putin not getting right info? He was on video pouring over some maps, saying the enemy are surrounded here, we took this place over here, which is not factual. Are his generals telling him lies? But yeah, if he realizes they are losing ground, he might resort to some desperation tactics, and that could be bad. Real bad! 

Meanwhile there are drone videos on Tik Tok of sometimes ten mile long lines to get gas. The leader of the Agriculture department told the DUMA that without immediate gas supply, farmers cannot reap their crops, and the trucks cannot come and collect the crops, so there could be a famine in Russia. 

All that, so they could take places like Crimea, but Crimea is running out of gas, electricity, water, and food trucks are not getting in. There are Tik Toks of people who left Crimea, thinking there would be gas in Russia, and they ended up waiting 14 hours to get 5 gallons. But this is what Russia wanted, a war, and they got what they wanted -- and now they have to sleep in the bed they made. 

They wanted to make others suffer, and they ended up having to suffer. Karma is a bee-ache! Someone told me this is what happened in ISKCON, the leaders wanted to ban and harass all the devotees to make them suffer, and they ended up suffering. KARMA! ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Karma vacuum pada's karma

Sheesh pilgrims.

This guy argued with me when I told him

WE CANNOT TAKE KARMA. 

Gas is hard to find in Russia

Not getting better for Russians.

Expect longer gas lines.

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BALI MARDAN AND THE BBT

Devotee Espana: Bali mardan, the opportunist traitor appears out of nowhere
This scum just started a campaign asking for $50,000 to "flood original books" the world. He even puts links to the hard work done by others like vedabase.cc as a credential. 

Doesn't explain his plan and of course, uses a photo of him with Srila Prabhupada, this time made with AI, him of sannyasa and Srila Prabbupada's face distorted by AI. His reason for asking for money is that he is one of the original BBT trustees, and that always works with the innocent public. But we know all of his shameful story. Don't even say good morning to this parasite. Be warned.

All the details of this dude's life:

https://www.facebook.com/vaisnavasdeespana/posts/pfbid02scvcX2SG8B2iEasQTQbU3wN868aC2xrGtBq1BUfR86Ni6qofXXSDpNf5Pves2Hrql


PADA: OK Not everyone is excited when one of the old timers re-surfaces, especially when they are asking for money. I honestly do not know what his CURRENT status is -- or is not. Maybe he can help us with original books, maybe not, and maybe he is just trying to make some personal opportunities for himself. 

I don't know. But it does seem like he should have made some sort of re-introduction of himself and explain where he is spiritually at now, what he intends to do specifically, and so on. But since I have not yet seen where he is trying to work with our other friends with the BBT issue, 

I am not sure how much success he is going to have, assuming it is a sincere effort. If he is working with our friends I have not been informed. Bali Mardan was a huge disappointment for Srila Prabhupada in 1976, and then he ran off to become a big shot in the Rajneesh process. These guys never seem to have understood the program of how to go back to Krishna, making numerous u-turns and detours on the way -- causing no small amount of chaos and problems for others in the process.  

I am always hopeful some old timers will wake up and get things back to standard, but ... most of the time it is not a serious attempt. And much of the time it is a means of collecting donations and etc. Lets hope for the best here, but not have high expectations. 

The changed books has broken the hearts of so many devotees, lets hope the originals can be reclaimed. And if he can do that, or help do that, bravo. I am going to be patient and see how all this unfolds. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

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STAY WITH ISKCON

Bhakti Vikas is another sold out when it suits him to maintain his status quo.

"I love Prabhupada but I don't like ISKCON. "Impossible. It's like saying: "I love K Susa but not His cows." “Whatever it is, has been or should be ISKCON, is inseparable from Srila Prabhupada. If we truly love Prabhupada, we can never reject ISKCON. Whatever the difficulties or failures that exist, we must stay in this movement and try to overcome the problems that will inevitably arise by the very nature of this condemned world. Instead of demanding utopia, we need to learn to live in this world and do something practical to improve it, working to help Srila Prabhupada's mission succeed. Bhakti Vikas

PADA: Oh swell, we need to learn to live with BVKS and his illicit sex with men, women and children (and maybe cats) messiahs project, which is banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas. I need to learn to live with this program? Who knew! ys pd

 

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UTTAMA GURU IS REQUIRED

"It is the uttama-adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru"

(Kindly look at our disiplic succession up until now)

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura- conversation.

Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.

Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati: HE CAN ONLY PERFORM THE INITIAL DUTIES OF DIKSA. It is the uttama-adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.

Quoted from August 8th 1934, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Q&A with Sriyukta 

Rajendranath Pal Chaudhuri Mahasaya.

Just reading our standardised prayers within ISKCON-everrything becomes clear.....
(6)

nikuñja-yūno rati-keli-siddhyai
yā yālibhir yuktir apekṣaṇīyā
tatrāti-dākṣyād ati-vallabhasya
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam

The spiritual master is very dear, because he is expert in assisting the gopīs, who at different times make different tasteful arrangements for the perfection of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa’s conjugal loving affairs within the groves of Vṛndāvana. I offer my most humble obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master.

So if we -- by dint of organisational manipulation -- or not being trained properly through the process of reading Srila Prabhupada books and instructions, we need only to read the Mangal Aarti-Gurvastakam, should we ever be doubtful about the super exalted position and actual standards of a bonafide diksha guru-spiritual master.

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Rameshvara's 1980 Ritvik Struggle with Tamal Gosvami: A Personal Eye-Witness Account

Hare Krishna. My name is Krishna Katha Dasa. As a post-1977 disciple of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, I am blessed to share this historical summary with all of you in this transcendental association.

Looking back, my direct experience of surrendering to Srila Prabhupada is deeply intertwined with the early power struggles and deviations perpetrated by Tamal Krishna Gosvami and others. Here is my story.

From Hawaii to New Dwarka

In 1978, fresh out of college, I traveled to the Big Island of Hawaii. After wandering for six months, I ran completely out of money and food, with nothing left but a return ticket to Los Angeles. While waiting at the Hilo airport, a devotee named Maduha Dasa approached me and handed me a copy of Sri Isopanisad. My flight was delayed by three hours, during which I read the entire book twice. I was utterly enthralled. I had to know: Who is this A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada?

Maduha returned before my flight and invited me to stay on a farm for a few weeks where there were more books to read. I accepted. There, I met Gaurasundara Prabhu, a senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada. Under his guidance, I studied Srila Prabhupada’s books for a year and a half as a celibate student. Gaurasundara enlightened all of us on the true purport of guru-tattva. Most significantly, I realized without a doubt that Srila Prabhupada is my spiritual master.

Eventually, the farm lease ended, and I returned to Los Angeles. In New Dwarka, I became an aspiring bhakta, serving Maduha and Caru Prabhus on the traveling festival preaching program. After about six months, Maduha spoke to me about taking initiation. He explained that Ramesvara Prabhu was refusing to follow the "zonal acarya" concoction and would instead be giving initiations strictly on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. Maduha assured me that I would become an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada himself. How could I say anything but YES?

The Day of the Initiation Ceremony

The scene inside the New Dwarka temple was set. The fire sacrifice was assembled, and Their Lordships Sri Sri Rukmini Dwarkadisha were beautifully dressed. The bhaktas and bhaktins sat around the sacrificial arena, waiting for Ramesvara to speak into the microphone.

What happened next significantly altered the course of my devotional life—and Ramesvara’s.

For no less than two minutes, Ramesvara sat in total silence with his eyes closed. His face was visibly strained, his head swaying from side to side as he struggled to speak. Two minutes is a very long time in a packed temple room, and the atmosphere became incredibly awkward. Finally, breaking the silence, he said these exact words (paraphrased with verified accuracy from other eye-witnesses):


"Actually, I am not qualified to give all of you Hari-nama diksa initiation. My spiritual master..." (He paused, turning his head to look directly at Srila Prabhupada seated on his Vyasasana) "...has somehow or other given me the service of initiating all of you on His behalf. You will all be disciples of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada."

Instantly, a massive, ecstatic roar of "JAYA JAYA JAYA!" erupted. Drums beat, hands clapped, and the temple went wild with joy.

The Dallas Ultimatum and the Breakdown

Fast forward two weeks. Ramesvara suddenly disappeared for two days.
When he returned to New Dwarka, he was totally distraught and visibly upset. Mother Govinda Dasi (the original, one-and-only) met with him in his quarters and witnessed Ramesvara crying uncontrollably.

PADA: That means they probably all knew their guru-ship was a lie. But crying here won't help when they have to face Yamaraja for being false acharyas. False acharyas are going to the most obnoxious regions, crying won't prevent that. Especially because! Ramesvara went on dating a minor aged girl (and evidently doing a lot more than dating), and he was helping Kirtananda take out Sulochana and so on.

He confessed to her that Tamal Krishna Gosvami had summoned him to Dallas. When Ramesvara arrived at Tamal’s office, Tamal handed him a pre-written letter demanding his resignation and expulsion from ISKCON. Tamal ordered him: Go back to New Dwarka and announce to those recent initiates that they are not Srila Prabhupada's disciples—they are YOUR disciples. If you don't do this, sign this resignation letter and get out of ISKCON.

Ramesvara refused to sign the letter and returned to New Dwarka. However, the pressure took its toll. A few days later, a secondary "vyasasana" was placed next to Srila Prabhupada’s in the temple. Kusakratha Prabhu was tasked with authoring prayers for us to sing during Ramesvara’s guru-puja. During every single guru-puja, Ramesvara kept his head down and his eyes tightly shut, never opening them until the singing and flower offerings completely stopped.

The GBC Threats

About two weeks later, two GBC members (whose names I cannot recall) arrived at New Dwarka. They cornered me and demanded that I hand over the audio recording of my initiation ceremony. I told them I didn’t have a copy. They pressured me fiercely to reveal who was in charge of the audio department, but I refused.

They then explicitly threatened me: If I did not accept Ramesvara as my diksa guru, I would be kicked out of ISKCON. They flatly told me, "Srila Prabhupada is not your guru."

As we all know today, the 1980s and beyond were plagued by the sinful, offensive behaviors born directly from the concocted zonal acarya system. The decision of those eleven disciples to pose as diksa gurus instead of acting as the ritvik representatives they were appointed to be was a recipe for disaster. It severely degraded our Spiritual Master's pure society.

Fortunately, after those GBC members left New Dwarka, several senior godbrothers approached me. Treating me fully as their godbrother, they told me to ignore the GBC’s threats. They said: "Always hold sacred that you are a disciple of HDG Srila Prabhupada." I will always be grateful to those courageous souls:

Rajendranatha Prabhu
Maduha Prabhu
Nara Narayana Prabhu
Jagad Isvara Prabhu

A Final Appeal for Truth

I spoke to Govinda Dasi recently, and her recollection of Ramesvara’s breakdown after his visit to Dallas remains incredibly vivid. These events are true and accurate to the best of my memory. I have not exaggerated a single word.

An open letter to Robert Grant (Ramesvara Prabhu):

It would be profoundly helpful to the future of Srila Prabhupada’s movement and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission if you would step forward and speak honestly about this critical piece of ISKCON history. A massive, swelling tide of devotees already knows the truth. They are simply waiting for leadership in the right direction after 48 long, traumatic years.

"The truth will set you free." This movement cannot continue to limp along on the back of a historical lie for the next 10,000 years. Krishna will not allow this deceit to go on forever. Why not bring this sad era to an end?

Govinda Dasi

Your servant,
Krishna Katha Dasa

(With the verification and blessings of Govinda Dasi)
#SrilaPrabhupada #ISKCONHistory #Vani #GuruTattva #Ramesvara #TamalKrishnaGoswami #KrishnaConsciousness

PADA: Ex-LA enforcer Ramachandra Mimms told me he has performed many dark deeds for Ramesvara. And he felt very guilty. And then he died a very depressed drug addict. Ramesvara has a very dark history, and that is probably why he has taken shelter of his pals on pedophile messiah's loka in Mayapur. ys pd  

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BBT Imbroglio / New Dallas Temple / Who is Pure? / Padmanabha / Yadubara 07 01 26

 

DALLAS PRABHUPANDANUGAS

PADA: Our Prabhupadanuga friends are making a nice big temple in Dallas, Texas (room for 500 guests). There is an old large house already on the property, they are using for now. 

There are also imported India cows there, and have gardens and etc. These are the same type cows they imported for the San Francisco area (Silicon Valley) center near here. Very nice people from the center here will be going there for the grand opening which is July 11th. 

They will also be making a Rathayatra and other festivals, and gurukula for children etc. The same thing is going on here, there is a smaller structure while the big temple is under construction. The temple here will be the largest Radha Krishna temple on the West Coast when completed. This is the proposed Dallas temple view when it is completed. Our other friends in Dallas are also starting to attend their program, so it is off to a good start. Anyone in the Dallas area should help them get up and running. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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WE WERE HACKED!

PADA: Prabhupada truth commission website has been hacked. They are trying to get it back up and running. But hey, the same type GBC goondas sent bomb threats to the little teeny 98lbs lady who was managing my first internet services in LA. She said she could report them but "why waste time on a bunch of a**holes"? Hee hee! That means they know our info is a threat to the pedophile messiah's project. ys pd 

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WHO IS THE PURE DEVOTEE NOW?

DEAN BALARAM

Bhima prabhu, Hare Krsna,
it is a great question easily answered in so many ways:

The Question from Bhima Prabhu:

How do you make enquiries to Srila Prabhupada? And how do you get direct and personal instructions from him ? Through the books?

1. When Prabhupada physically departed in 1977 there were 1 week. 1 month, 1 year and max 12 year old Prabhupada disciples, how did they continue enquiries, guidence and purfication till now in 2026?


2. ONE CAN DERIVE FROM THE STUDY OF THE BHÄGAVATAM ALL BENEFITS THAT ARE POSSIBLE TO BE DERIVED FROM THE PERSONAL PRESENCE OF THE LORD. It carries with it all the transcendental blessings of Lord Şri Krsna that we can expect FROM HIS PERSONAL CONTACT. (SB 1-3-40 end of purport)

3. "These are not ordinary books. It is recorded chanting. ANYONE WHO READS, HE IS HEARING." ~ Srila Prabhupada 

4. Eternal bond between disciple and Spiritual Master begins from the day HE HEARS." S.P Letter to Jadurani, 4/9/72

5. Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?

Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!

Devotees :Jaya! Haribol!

Srila Prabhupada: I WILL LIVE FOREVER FROM MY BOOKS AND YOU WILL UTILISE!

6. "You have understood the importance of my books. Without being asked, you published and distributed my books.THE TEMPLES MAY FAIL, THE DEVOTEES MAY FAIL, BUT MY BOOKS WILL LIVE FOREVER."London, September 1974).

7. Bhaktivinoda Thakur says: “He reasons ill who tells that Vaisnavas die When thou art living still in sound! The Vaisnavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around!”

8. Prabhupada: So in my absence you read the books. What I talk, I have written in the books. That's all.

Indian Man: Personally, we think more greater.

Prabhupada: That's all right. But still, YOU CAN ASSOCIATE WITH ME BY READING MY BOOKS.

Indian Man: I am reading books Prabhupada. That books are your very, very good and most blessful to us. It is the biggest good will upon whole of universe at present. ~Morning Walk -- August 7, 1975, Toronto

9. "The Spiritual Master is present wherever his SINCERE disciple is trying to serve his instructions. This is possible by the Mercy of Krsna. In your attempts to serve me and in all your SINCERE devotional sentiments I am with you as my Guru Maharaja is with me. Remember this always." Srila Prabhupada letter, 12/01/73)

10. In my books the philosophy of Krishna consciousness is explained fully, so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you....You may please me the most by reading my books and following the instructions therein. ~November 22, 1974

11. "So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krsna or Spiritual Master. Never think that I am absent from you, presence by message (or hearing) is the real touch." SP Letter to students, August 1967

12."So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, THAT IS LIVING." SP lecture given on 1-16-69

13. "The spiritual master by his words, can penetrate into the heart of the suffering person and inject knowledge transcendental which alone can extinguish the fire of material existence." (S.B. 1.7.22, purport)

14. WE SING EVERY MORNING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA:
My only wish is to have my consciousness purified by the words emanating from his lotus mouth. Attachment to his lotus feet is the perfection that fulfills all desires. 

15. He opens my darkened eyes and fills my heart with transcendental knowledge. He is my Lord birth after birth.  From him ecstatic prema emanates; by him ignorance is destroyed. The Vedic scriptures sing of his character.

16. "Diksa actually means *initiating* a disciple *with transcendental knowledge* by which he becomes freed from all material contamination." (Madhya-lila, 4:112, Purport)

17. There are two conceptions, the physical conception and the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary. The vibrational conception is eternal.[...] When we feel separation from Krishna or the Spiritual Master, we should just try to remember their words or instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association with Krishna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration not physical presence. That is real association."
(Elevation to Krishna Consciousness, chapter 4)

18. if we develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness by association of devotees... As Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura has sung, tāṅdera caraṇa-sevi-bhakta-sane vāsa [Nāma-saṅkīrtana 7]. One's aim of life should be to serve the ācāryas. Ācārya upāsanam. So our ācārya in the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava Sampradāya, the śrī-rūpa
sanātana bhaṭṭa-raghunātha, śrī-jīva gopāla-bhaṭṭa dāsa-raghunātha, the six
Gosvāmīs, and if we associate with them... This book, Nectar of Devotion,
Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means
you are associating with Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī directly. And if you act
accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet.

19. "this means you are associating with Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī directly"

20. Prabhupāda: YES, I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulation which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually https://vanisource.org/wiki/680312_-_Interview_-_San_Francisco

21. "So my Guru Maharaja will be very, very much pleased with you ... it is not that he is dead and gone. THAT IS NOT SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING ... he is seeing. I never feel that I am alone." ~Lecture, 2/3/75

22. I asked, “Prabhupada, sometimes I have problems and the spiritual master isn’t there and it’s too detailed for the scriptures. What should I do?” And he said, “If you chant Hare Krishna very nicely, ALL THE ANSWERS WILL COME FROM WITHIN.”

I hope this helps you get a better understanding of this issue. Srila Prabhupada is very much alive, well and already interacting with you and anyone who is trying to follow his teachings inside Iskcon or outside of Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada like Krsna is not limited nor is he sectarian. Jayaaaa Prabhupada

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SWAMI PADMANABHA PROMOTES (Meat eating) RITVIKS.

SWAMI PADMANABHA: Join us for the second step of our La Verna Pilgrimage as we explore the profound spiritual parallels between Saint Francis and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu—two luminaries whose lives are embodied scripture: divine love, radical simplicity, and ecstatic devotion. Discover how their lives inspire us to deepen our practice and embody divine love in everyday life. In this exploration, we reflect on the embodiment of divine love and ecstasy, the transformative power of simplicity and poverty as spiritual practice, and the courage to renew tradition from within. 

PADA: Yes, rather amazing the people who are worshiping Srila Prabhupada -- have been chased out, had legal restraining orders made, and sued for $20,000,000 by Mayapur folks calling them "the bogus ritviks." And Swami Padmanabha follows the Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara Maharaja, who is against our ritvik idea, rather Sridhara prefers people worship his illicit sex messiahs and not a real messiah.  

However, the GBC / Sridhara / Narayan maharaja folks regularly have interfaith meetings with the Christian "ritviks." Evidently, only the ritvik religion which eats meat is welcome into the sacred halls of ISKCON or their associated Gaudiya Matha / Narayan Maharaja assembly. But we Prabhupadanugas are not welcome in their process. 

The curiculum here is self evident, meat eater religions are welcomed, those who do not eat meat, are banned, beat, sued and banished. And Dayaram re-started another $20,000,000 lawsuit this January to chase out the Vegetarian ritviks. 

Did someone forget to tell them, they should be spending all this lavish amount of money on their gurukula children -- and not on buying new Armani suits for lawyers? No wonder the kids complain of bad gurukulas, the money is going for lawyers and not schools. But the question always remains, why do these people almost exclusively favor the beef eating "ritvik" religions and not the Prabhupada worship religion? 

ys pd

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A dark chapter of ISKCON history - part four

Discarding International Law & Allying with the Taliban?

At one point our heroes at the GHQ (General Headquarters) apparently expressed the wish to delegitimize and dismantle internationally established standards of legal protections for women. Bhakti Vikasa Swami lamented reading the transcript of a recent meeting (we are talking of the late ‘90s) in which someone had "presented the rights of women in Iskcon according to International Law."

He found it “frightening … the possibility that our liberated mothers might throw the karmi law book at us and use the clout of state law to enforce 'womens’ rights' in our temples and communities.”

I am not so sure what he was afraid of. What did he find so “frightening”?
(If anyone has a clue, please share.) What’s the risk of men’s claims and demands over women being restrained by the judicial system?

Are we saying that women shouldn’t have any legal protection whatsoever?
Actually more we read their exchanges, more we strongly feel that men such as the members of the GHQ (General Headquarters) should be firmly restricted by legal means to prevent them from using and abusing women.

At one point, Shyamasundara (the astrologer) asked:

“You think we could get Taliban support?”

Yes, the Taliban appear like fitting, natural allies for these men. Perhaps it can even be branded as an “interfaith dialogue” – getting together and brainstorming on how to better bully and enslave women. ---to be continued---

For a longer article on the ISKCON Vaishnavi Ministry site, “The Anti-Vaishnavi 

GHQ” – by Lilamayi Gaurangi:

https://vaishnaviministry.org/anti-vaishnavi-ghq/

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SDG's Lilamrita “Now that his (SATSVARUPA DAS GOSWAMI): facade of guruship has been exposed as a sham, we should warn of his 1983 GBC “authorized” Srila Prabhuupada biography: Srila Prabhupada lilamrta (LM). 

LM is quite dangerous since it mixes truth with illusion, the mundane with transcendental. "Intermingling the spiritual with the material causes one to look on transcendence as material and mundane as spiritual. All this is due to a poor fund of knowledge." (CC Mad 16.72 purport)

This might explain SATS’ past infatuations with mundane songs, poetry, jazz, paintings, and another’s wife; all while as a spiritual master. Many appreciated LM due to its Srila Prabhupada quotes but SATS has also weaved in his own mundane bias and self-interest. LM was poisoned to subtly, offensively portray Srila Prabhupada as an ordinary man, and this was (consciously or not) part of the successor hijacker gurus in ISKCON bringing Srila Prabhupada down to their own level as conditioned souls. 

Throughout, LM insidiously implies that Srila Prabhupada was an ordinary human being with all the regular frailties, fears and insecurities. The book is subtitled: "A very real human story," and in the introduction SATS writes: "I invite the reader to enjoy the very real, human life story of Srila Prabhupada."

Perhaps this is just in case anyone might get the wrong impression that Srila Prabhupada was in any way superhuman or transcendental. The correct scriptural understanding is: "...the spiritual master is the sum total of all demigods." (SSR, Ch. 2) "A person acting in the service of Krishna with his body, mind and words is a liberated person, even within the material world." (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187) "Therefore, one is forbidden to regard the guru as an ordinary human being [...] The spiritual master, or acharya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him." (SBhag 10.4.20 prpt) (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 2.255)

PADA: Yep, PADA was writing how the Lilamrta is defective almost as soon as it came out. Very conditioned understanding of pure devotees. 

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PEAS IN A PADA

YADUBARJA and Vishaka

Prabhupada explains, “If one accepts a spiritual master, one can learn to distinguish between matter and spirit, and that becomes the steppingstone for further spiritual realization. A spiritual master, by various instructions, teaches his students to get free from the material concept of life.” (Bhagavad-gita 13.35, Purport)

Now John and I photographed with knowledge of our relationship with Krishna, knowing Him as the supreme governing principle, as the one who knows everything, who is the oldest, the all-pervading origin of everything, and the ultimate controller and maintainer. He is knowledge, the object of knowledge, and the goal of knowledge.

As for my old report on Wales, well, “The purpose of education is to understand Krishna and His devotional service. If one does not do so, then education is false.” (Chaitanya-bhagavata, Antya 3.44, quoted in Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.29.50, Purport)

Or in Krishna’s words in the Bhagavad-gita (9.2), spiritual knowledge is “the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.”

PADA: If one accepts the GBC's gurus, who are often found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and maybe children, or maybe goats and cats, one can distinguish matter from spirit? OK so we have to promote the GBC's anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's program to know the difference between matter and spirit? Wow, the GBC's anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club, which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas is "eternal and joyful." Joyful for whom, the perps and their enablers? Fer sure, not joyful for the victims, as per their complaints made to PADA.  

Who gets their jollies by promoting such a sordid guru lineage? The pedophile messiah's club is representing "knowledge that is the king of education." Well yeah, after being victims of their process, we NOW have the knowledge that these people are servants of Kali Yuga. 

Thanks LM prabhu, yeah you are right, this explains why Yadubara and Vishakha, and most of the GBC guru crowd, always looks like they just sucked on a lemon. You said they about as joyful as a dead rat, and you could be correct. OK their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program makes illicit sex all pervading in their empire, you said it!

Hee hee! ys pd 

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YOU ARE STUCK IN A LOOP

NATALIE RAW

WHAT IF YOU AREN’T LIVING… YOU’RE JUST LOOPING?

I keep hearing this New Age nonsense that “we came here to experience” and that “the Creator is experiencing itself through us.” Really? Let’s think about that for a second. If this place has existed for thousands, millions, or even billions of years… and souls have supposedly been incarnating over and over and over again… Then how many times does the Creator need to experience heartbreak?

How many times does it need to experience war? How many times does it need to experience poverty, betrayal, disease, abuse, loss, suffering, hunger, greed, jealousy, and death? At what point does the lesson end? At what point has it experienced enough?

Because from where I’m standing, humanity isn’t evolving. Humanity is repeating.
The same wars. The same lies. The same corruption. The same manipulation. The same suffering recycled through different faces and different generations.
People call it living.

I call it looping. You are born. You are programmed. You chase money. You pay bills. You get distracted. You get sick. You grow old. You die. Then they tell you to come back and do it all again because there is still another “lesson” to learn.
How many lessons do you need before you realize the classroom itself might be the trap?

Maybe the goal isn’t to experience more. Maybe the goal is to remember. To remember who you were before the programming. Before the fear. Before the limitations. Before the endless cycle of amnesia.

Because if a being is truly infinite, all-knowing, and eternal, what exactly is it still trying to learn from watching people struggle through the same script for the millionth time? That’s the question nobody wants to ask. And that’s why I ask it.
If these kinds of conversations make you uncomfortable, good. Discomfort is where real questioning begins.

And if you’re tired of surface-level spirituality, recycled self-help clichés, and narratives that never quite add up, join my subscriber community. That’s where we go deeper. No filters. No sugarcoating. No sacred cows. Just raw conversations, uncomfortable questions, and perspectives most people are too afraid to explore.

PADA: Yeah, this is obviously a big problem with mayavada-ism. "We are all God experiencing the material world." Why would God make all this suffering, birth and death and etc. -- as His eternal pastime? Makes no sense. 

Purujit's Book / Sulochana Conspiracy Exposed / Vipramukhya / Cults 06 29 26

Don't worry, be happy.  

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PURUJIT'S WEIRD AND SCARY AI ART IMBROGLIO

JND: (Edit: Within less than 1 hour of making this post Purujit, who created these images, has blocked me on facebook, and the "Bhaktivedanta" page that published these hideous AI images -- blocked me. Their reaction to honest criticism tells me more about their character than anything else.)

These AI photos of acharyas are all distorted, not authentic and disgusting. This is a clear sign of no proper guidance or understanding. The irony is they label this as "an authorized biography of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada". It is not authorized because the people creating this AI fantasy have no understanding how to respect the images of the saints and acharyas. 

Who has "authorized" them to create these hideous AI images, which at best depict random likenesses of Indians from the AI database. It has zero connection to the personalities being discussed. These are not images of Srila Prabhupada, nor Bhaktivinoda Thakur, nor Gaura Kishora Das Babaji. They are just AI creations of people with generic random Indian likenesses, now being passed off as representations of the Lord's pure devotees and acharyas.

They could have filled this book with archival black and white real photos of most of these people, and it would have been excellent. Instead they fill it with hideous AI images that look nothing like reality. It is a display of bad judgement and discrimination.

Pointing this out does not imply they are bad people or that they have demonic intentions. I don't know them personally to judge what their intentions are. It could just be over enthusiasm with bad judgement. They are clearly not as good at using AI as they think they are. Everyone should know their own limitations and the limitations of technology. There are some people who can use AI and create excellent images, and there are others who just post random prompts and think they have created an accurate masterpiece. Most people fall in the second category and should not be using AI to create spiritual content.

PADA: Purujit folks are trying to advertise themselves as authorized because their book is accepted by ISKCON's molester messiah project's leaders, including the head honcho of Auschwitz for kids and BVKS etc. Sorry, that is REALLY a bad advertisement. ISKCON's killer clown acharyas love our book, really?

Of course the GBC people never advertise our materials, and there is a reason. Meanwhile! The images they used inside the book are not very well done, and sometimes look just a little bit creepy, menacing, and just spooky and scary. But in any case, not authentic.  

They have NOT done a good job here, according to a lot of critics. I think they were doing a rush job, and they did not consult with any of us on the content, and they made some serious errors. At the same time HKC Jaipur's Third Reich clan member Mathura Pati has been hanging out with Purujit, and not us, and this explains why he does so. They just don't pay attention to details. 

They are still clinging to the old guard for approval, recognition and authorization, and we aren't. Yeah -- someone said, the people advertising Purujit's book look just as scary as the AI pics he has made inside his book. Whole thing is frightening! As per usual, whenever we comment on these issues, the Purujit guys make fun of us, hey just like the GBC people! 

Did I forget to mention, when I told Jayapataka we will suffer if we take sins, he thought that was a comedy hour joke? Is he still laughing now? Meanwhile Mukunda UK, who has lifted much of his material off our PADA web sites, is crying that Purujit stole his "Lilamrita" book, and made it as his own. 

These guys are always trying to self promote themselves and not so much promote Srila Prabhupada. I see PADA's stuff being "stolen" all the time and it makes me happy, our stuff is getting out there. Goody. Some guy steals our images and quotes all the time, using his name and not giving us credit. 

That means, he likes our stuff and wants to get out there. I am happy the info is being promoted, not crying that it is being stolen. These people want credit for promoting "their work," and that explains why they are going to the wrong places, including ISKCON leaders, for validation and credit. 

This is not too impressive IMHO. Anyway, the Mukunda book does have many good quotes -- to his credit, but unfortunately most people steer away from his works because his other stuff is so nutty, he has damaged his trademark brand. Anyway I agree, the images are not good and that has damaged credibility of the book. And then getting validation from the GBC's clown car gurus and leaders, worse validation.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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CONSPIRACY TO MURDER

June 29, 1986: On or around this date in history, a few weeks after the assassination of the Bhaktipada critic and whistle-blower, Sulochan (Steve Bryant), Radhanath Swami, deeply troubled in his mind, confesses his involvement in the murder conspiracy to his godbrother Jagad Guru Swami, while both sit on a Pacific Ocean beach in San Diego.

Jagad Guru Swami (1946-2020), a disciple of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who later became known as Bhakti Gaurava Narasingha Maharaja, claims Radhanath spoke to him in great anxiety, "What was I supposed to do under those circumstances? We were convinced that Bhaktipada was a pure devotee and that Sulochan was determined to murder him, so we thought we were obligated to stop some demon from killing a pure devotee by any means possible.”

Although I had heard this story earlier, Bhakti Gaurava Narasingha Maharaja confirmed it to me in a February 7, 2019 Facebook message a year before his death.

For more, see Killing For Krishna, p. 481.
http://henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna.html

PADA: I have to give Henry some credit for naming names on the Sulochana hit team, and the advisors / behind the scenes enablers and promoters of the hit team. He gets some merits here, and demerits in other places. But it took a lot of courage to point to these guys by name. And most devotees would never go public despite knowing all sorts of things -- even worse stuff than me or Henry knows -- because they are fearful, acquiescing, enabling and compromised. ys pd

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UKRAINE IS NOT BEING "SAVED" 

PADA: Yeah prabhu, sorry but my Hindu nurse friend was in Mariupal, she says they levelled her apartment and all the others in the city, taking out tens of thousands of people and then there was a stink of dead bodies all over the place. She only survived because she was in a heavy bathtub and that absorbed the shrapnel, but there was a lot of screaming people all over who did get shrapnel in them, including many children. 

It is amazing that Russians think people like a Hindu nurse living in an apartment are a threat to their national security. She finally walked for days and eventually made it to Poland, but she says she will never forget all the bodies everywhere, the screaming, the smell of the bodies etc. She still has nightmares. 

So yeah, taking out Hindu nurses is the way to make Russia more secure, hee hee. But now Russia is running out of gas, maybe they will stop taking out nurses when they run out of gas. Every day these guys have gas, another Hindu nurse gets whacked somewhere in Ukraine. The way Russia saves things, is to blow it to pieces until there is not one building left standing. That is not saving these cities, it is levelling them to rubble and killing the inhabitants. I fail to see how this is svaing these cities. ys pd

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Dayananda's Post

Dayananda Das Vanachari

RE: Vipramukhya, Wayne Boyd

Vipramukhya left. I was not irritated, just indifferent. Now he has come back with a vengeance, trying to attack the faith of the followers. That is damn irritating. With this opening, I took considerable time writing a response to what I perceive as Wayne Boyd's unacceptable attempts to attack the faith of the faithful.

In the back of my mind, it was an open letter to him, attacking his irresponsibility. However, due to my language, tone, or perhaps my lack of properly strategizing, it did not communicate the way I had intended. Some wonderful devotees spent time commenting on my post, so they remain here. I think their comments stand well independent of my article.

Damodara Dasa

I have also noticed Wayne’s re-emergence as interesting. I don’t know him well enough to have a particular take on his motives that would be anything other than speculation.

But I would observe that those who abandon religion - and perhaps their vows in particular - tend to feel the urge to continually justify their position. Perhaps there is an element of “misery loves company” - that I will feel more affirmed in the validity of my rejecting the guru, the movement, the philosophical stance, if I can get others to agree with me….. and of course most atheists are anything other than detached from religious thought. 

They feel compelled - for reasons they don’t typically examine - to keep espousing their rejection of religious thought, often even going as far as to ridicule theistic thought. They argue that it is important to contest religion as it is a societal harm. While there may be some truth to this - often in Kali Yuga religions are unwholesome, full of hypocrisy and cheating - it also reads as a rationalisation. They completely overlook their own bias - often due to some adverse experiences with religion - and claim that their position is purely rationally informed. The sheer amount of emotional loading in their critiques suggest otherwise.

Those who give up their vows - and particularly abandon disciples - likely have a lot of guilt to reckon with. Of course, it is tempting to invalidate the whole endeavour - which gets them off the hook psychologically. Now they are no longer a failed disciple, a vantasi, weak-willed, etc. All of a sudden they become a discerning critical thinker.

I fully support anyone engaged in sincere and genuine epistemological inquiry. I take no issue with the world’s agnostics and probably have more in common with them than I do with dogmatic religious fanatics.

But atheism often masquerades as being a fully rational position. And that is intellectually dishonest. It is rarely a carefully reasoned position.

Wayne now professes full conviction in “scientific conclusions” such as evolutionary theory. He makes it his daily business to criticise his former guru’s arguments. Who is he actually trying to convince? Is he trying to recruit others so that he doesn’t feel so alone in abandoning Prabhupada and his vows? Or is he still trying to assuage his own guilty conscience?

I honestly don’t know. And these are questions for him to resolve for himself.

Dayananda Das Vanachari

Damodara Dasa: Yes, I agree with you. I know him fairly well; he and I served together in Iran. I decided to take an aggressive approach.

Vrajasevika Dasi: I don't personally know Mr. Boyd / HG Vipramukhya Das, but i have read many of his recent posts. My feeling was not at all that he is full of vengeance, nor is he trying to destroy anyone's faith, nor is he looking for followers. He is just explaining his views and why it makes sense to him.

Sometimes devotees, and maybe also others, ask him why he has left ISKCON, so he is explaining why. That is my understanding.

I didn't find this irritating. I found it kind. He is taking the time out to explain. I find it very inspiring how he is not blaming anyone for having left, nor for having been in ISKCON. He takes full responsibility. I find his dealings very fair and respectful. He joined ISKCON because he then believed in Srila Prabhupada's teachings, and at one point he got doubts, and slowly his beliefs changed. And now he believes something else.

He isn't trying to make a come back in iskcon. Some devotees were interested to understand why he left, and he was reflecting on that and replying them.

Dayananda Das Vanachari

Vrajasevika Dasi Thank you for your opinion. I do not share your view on this. However, I have removed my original article.

I wrote it not in the spirit of philosophy. Instead, it was written to a younger brother who decided, after fathering several children (disciples), to abandon them. He left the children for some time, did not pay child support, then returned to criticize the mother of his children and the rest of his family.

I did not mention this father-children analogy in my article, nor is that precisely the point I made, but for the sake of brevity it is close enough. In any case, I have decided not to progress any further. In fact, if you want me to agree with everything you have written here, I am happy to do that.

Damodara Dasa

The hilarious irony is that although progressed atheists nearly all subscribe to the protest / trope that “theists are shoving religion down everyone’s throat”, they are also “evangelical” about pushing their own epistemological conclusions, every bit as insufferable religious zealots. Hypocrites. And not as bright as they imagine themselves to be - certainly lacking self insight.

Science is a legitimate “knowledge acquiring strategy”. But to try hold up non-belief as a virtue is to claim that distrusting others is, in and of itself, some kind of intellectual accomplishment. Why should others’ convictions be something that this group of people feel compelled to attack - and unkindly at that?

Das Goravani

I haven't seen anything from him. Where does he post his views?

PADA: Well yeah, why was Vipramukhya made into a sum total of the demigods messiah, when he was borderline atheist? Vipramukhya lost faith in the religion, and so did a lot of others, and that means their faith was not very connected in the first place. 

A person who is truly connected to Krishna, even on the neophyte level, will never be able to break that connection, despite hell, high water, or threats from GBC bozo enforcers etc. Sorry they did not really lose faith, their faith was superficial and sentimental and not based on any solid realization. 

Of course us neophytes can be shaken up and fall down into all sorts of abominable behaviors, as we see in spades. But a neophyte who has actually realized that Krishna is God, even if he fails into abominable material attachments on many other levels, will continue to know Krishna is God, no matter how badly he fails in other areas. 

So there are different levels of kanistha, and some kanisthas have very weak connections, some have more solid ones, but those who give up on Krishna were never really connected to Him in any factual manner from square one, that is my understanding. And this is why people write to PADA, why does the GBC keep making these falling down if not boderline atheistic people into acharyas? Yup. ys pd  

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GOOD ADVICE

IZZY: I was a part of a cult.

I know, it's crazy. I get weird looks, laughs, and a mix of other reactions whenever I share about this. I was, for years, heavily connected to and involved with the International House of Prayer in Kansas City MO, and I eventually moved there and became a worship leader intern in 2009. I remained heavily connected with the movement throughout my 20s, and spent years in leadership of the local house of prayer in Indianapolis, IN.

But, it was a cult.

For decades, the leader of the ministry Mike Bickle was sexually abusing women and using the ministry to target the women. Everything came to light a few years ago, and the ministry did a horrendous job of cleaning up the mess and actively attempted to avoid accountability and cover things up. The whole organization then collapsed.

If leaders can't do the right thing when something as aggregious as assault and abuse occurs, how can they be trusted to lead anything else? My experience there, and the ministry's eventual downfall, had a deep impact on me at the core level, and it shaped me profoundly as a leader.

It's why, as a brand new commander of a Battalion Headquarters and Headquarters Company, I did what I did. After 9 drilling days with my unit, I uncovered sexual assault and harassment that had been occurring for 3 years at the hands of a senior NCO in the battalion staff. People knew about it, and chose not to act.

When I tried to initiate an investigation, I was told to "point the victims to the Brigade Equal Opportunity Laison, and then table it." 

I knew this was the wrong answer, and because of what I witnessed at the cult, I knew that "tabling it" would lead to the immediate and drastic erosion of trust within the unit. So, I called the lawyers at State JAG and kicked off an investigation that eventually led to the predatory NCO being fired from the Army. I paid a heavy price for it - but I would make that decision 10x over, time and time again.

If you are a leader - a leader within a church, a business, a community leader or influencer, or a leader who wears a uniform -- DO NOT tolerate things like assault, harassment, bullying, hazing, or prejudism. These behaviors will destroy your organization. You will "lose the good ones" if you sweep these things under the rug, and you will watch victim after victim leave.

Do the hard thing. Pursue justice. Choose righteousness. Protect your people, even if it puts a target on your back. Because at the end of the day, when you look at yourself in the mirror, you can be proud of yourself for doing the right thing, and know that God is proud of you, too.

"Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow." Isaiah 1:17 (NIV)