Wednesday, August 31, 2022
Janardan Maharaja / Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math (Update)
A few months back, Janardan Maharaj (fomerly Pancadravida / now JM) preached at Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math—London Chapter, East London Branch, 466 Green Street, that Jayapataka Swami is a very good Guru. If Jayapataka Swami is a very good Guru, then why did JM leave ISKCON, and after leaving ISKCON, he became very critical of ISKCON?
He could have continued serving a very good Guru, Jayapataka Swami, within ISKCON. JM never told his audience about the prominent conceptions that Jayapataka Swami has preached in this world, which forced JM to feel that Jayapataka Swami is a very good Guru.
JM left his previous Sanyas name as Pancha Dravida Swami and took the new Sanyas name as Bhakti Pavana Janardan within Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. If he does not want to follow the teachings of the founder acharya of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj, and wants to preach his own misconceptions about diksha-sampradaya and popularity as the basis of juding Guru Parampara, then he should go and find some other organisation to practise those misconceptions.
If mere followers are the basis of judging who is a very good Guru, then JM must encourage his followers to take initiation (diska) from Sai Baba (in his absence, may be from his successor) and Ramdev Baba, who have more followers than Jayapataka Swami.
[PADA: Correct, Sridhara Maharaja and his followers have promoted the founder fathers of their pedophile messiahs program -- like Jayapataka, and indeed have said "he is doing good preaching." Really? ys pd]
Tuesday, August 30, 2022
Narayan Maharaja Glorifies Gaura Govinda Maharaja (update)
PADA: Srila Prabhupada says, none of you should let people touch your feet. You will be taking their karma. You will have to suffer. It will cause malefic effect. Bad reactions -- this life and the next. First thing they do? They have all sorts of people touching their feet!
Bhagavat Maharaja is another person who wanted his other neophyte pals to take karma, because then -- according to Srila Prabhupada -- they suffer. And then they take future birth as snakes -- and their disciples take birth as ants, and the snake is devoured by the ants. Sounds very helpful! Why would a Vaishnava wish that type future on another Vaishnava? Unless, they are not Vaishnavas?
Notice that Bhagavat Maharaja and similar others are encouraging the idea that neophytes -- if not deviants -- should be taking the post of another Jesus and absorbing the sins of others. And Srila Prabhupada says, false gurus go to hell and so do their followers. This is not something to be ignored or taken lightly.
Notice that Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, various ISKCON gurus and others -- allow their feet to be touched, washed, worshiped etc. and they promoted the GBC's system where their "gurus" were also having their feet touched, washed, worshiped etc.
And then when their gurus fall down, get sick, or die prematurely -- well too bad, they took too much karma! Vipramukhya even complained, every time I initiate someone, it makes me feel sick. No duh! Then he blooped and fell down.
In other words, they created a floodgate for massive amounts of malefic karma to be spreading around. Worse, they also said that worship of the pure devotee is "the bogus ritvik idea."
However! It is only by worship of a pure devotee can we have our karma resolved. So they concocted a false process for removing sins, and chopped the legs off the bona fide process for removing sins. Then -- they cannot figure out why there is a massive exodus from their bogus society, as well as: -- a mass of guru fall downs and failures; a mass of child molesting; a mass of cancer and other fatal ailments epidemic; a mass of re-editing of the books, and so on and so forth. Hey there is a massive pile of unresolved accumulated karma spreading around all over the place here!
Srila Narayan Maharaja:
He was a pure devotee.
[PADA: As soon as Narayan Maharaja finds a person who is "2/3 show of hands voted in" -- at the recoronation of his oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham acharya process -- NM says they are pure devotees. Yep, and those of us who are not coronated as messiahs at Narayan Maharaja's oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham "Vishnupada acharya" program are -- the bogus ritviks -- because we bogus ritviks are not worshiping oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham as our Vishnupada messiahs! Who knew!
It is amazing that NM thinks oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham guru parampara people are bona fide, and even, pure devotees. Ask any regular person walking down the street -- if deviants who are having oral sex with taxi drivers in their holy land are part of a chain of pure devotees and gurus? The average Joe Six pack knows more than NM and GGM.
Meanwhile NM cannot answer, Why is GGM voted into an oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham guru parampara, at all?]
One of his qualities was an extraordinary fearlessness. Maharaj met me and he liked all my books. That is why he told his followers, "If you want to attain bhakti, you can associate with Narayana Maharaj." That's why many of his students came to me, and I help them. I have to help them.
[PADA: Correct. After the departure of Gaura Govinda Maharaja, many of his followers went off to the Narayan Maharaja group. That is because both Gaura Govinda Maharaja and Narayan Maharaja have been big promoters of the ISKCON GBC's leaders -- like NM's "dear Tamal tree of Radha" aka Tamal Krishna swami, so they were basically in agreement with helping promote Tamal's post-1978 molester messiah's project, oral sex in the dham messiah's process etc.]
He was very brave. I have heard a recording of one of his lectures in which he says that even if a guru or any devotee repeats a mantra on a huge five-kilogram rosary, this does not guarantee that he will achieve the desired result. If he is a hypocrite, a schemer and also criticizes Vaishnavas, then he is not just not worthy to be a guru, he is not even a Vaishnava.
[PADA: GGM told me in person he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC's gurus. NM also promoted the GBC's guru line -- which contains illicit sex with men, women and children -- and many other deviations too numerous to detail herein. And as soon as we said that pedophiles and deviants are not Krishna's successors, the followers of GGM and NM were criticizing me for "making offenses to exalted devotees" (like their hero Tamal Krishna swami).]
Maharaj boldly declared everywhere that one should not follow false gurus and false Vaishnavas. One should be in the company of true Vaishnavas and spiritual teachers who have attained self-realization and possess all the qualities of genuine gurus described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. In order to give us a correct understanding of these truths, he boldly spoke the truth, following the teachings of our guru-parampara.
For this reason, almost everyone began to oppose him. He was forbidden to preach in England, France, Australia and other countries – he was not allowed to go anywhere. They wanted him to shut up, but he was not a coward, and it was impossible to control him.
[PADA: GGM was forbidden to preach because he was preaching that Srila Prabhupada's "Back to Godhead" is a bogus idea, because we were never with Krishna. Even the rest of the GBC knew -- preaching that our foundational principle is bogus -- is not going to be helpful.]
Moreover, he understood that the eternal soul had never fallen from Goloka Vrindavana. This fact is confirmed in my books, the books of Srila Jiva Gosvami and other acaryas. Falling from there is impossible. Such an idea is simply ridiculous.
[PADA: There you have it. Srila Prabhupada's idea are simply ridiculous. Yes, Srila Prabhupada says we originated in Krishna's leela or sport, and they think Krishna is a fool and ridiculous for creating us to be His sevakas. NM and GGM said that Sridhara Maharaja is correct, we originated in brahma jyoti. OK that is called mayavada.]
Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj has published a pamphlet with many quotations from the books of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj and other acaryas, confirming the absurdity of the idea that a living being can fall from the abode of God and forget Krishna. Wherever he preached, Maharaj very boldly declared that the adherents of this idea were mistaken.
[PADA: Yes, we originated in brahman, because why would Krishna start off all of His children with Him -- when He can place some of them in brahman, which is "worse than hell" according to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura.]
They wanted to forbid him to talk about Srimati Radhika, gopi, vraja-prema and the sweet pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna in Vraja, but no one could control him. He described many of Sri Krishna's pastimes, referring to examples from Rasa-panchadhyaya and other important sastras.
[PADA: Yep, while the mass of devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated, Narayan Maharaja is teaching the leaders of this gangster program (Tamal / Sivarama / Indradyumna / Satsvarupa / Giriraja etc.) about "the gopis."]
He did this because he had been a Vaishnava since birth and had practiced the principles of Bhakti since childhood.
[PADA: Sex with taxi drivers in the dham guru parampara is something GGM and NM were following since birth, because that is part of India culture? That means, their parents told them to worship homosexuals / pedophiles and / or oral sex with taxi drivers as Vishnupada acharyas? Why do these people always attack India culture? If you want to support the worship of deviants as God's successors, fine, but do not blame the Vedic culture of India.]
He followed my chain of disciplic succession completely, or maybe I follow his chain of disciplic succession. Moreover, he belonged to the Rupanuga-Vaishnava lineage. In his hari-katha, he very boldly described the pastimes of Krishna. After all, if we do not talk about Krishna's lilas, hari-katha may leave this world, and then the whole world will become an empty place.
It is impossible to conquer Krsna by vaidhi-bhakti. We should know what raganuga-bhakti is and what kind of love and affection the vrajavasis have for Krishna.
[PADA: Here we go again, suporting their oral sex with taxi driver's guru program is part of the raga-bhakti process. Really? Oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham, is part and parcel of raga-bhakti?]
In the Caitanya-caritamrita, Srila Krishnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami writes, "If I do not tell the truth about the secret pastimes of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, then no one will understand them." He also said: "I don't write for those who have no taste for such topics. They won't read my books themselves. On the other hand, those who have taste are like cuckoos. They will come and read my books and enjoy their nectar."
In this way, Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj revealed many truths. And he especially emphasized that we should always strive to communicate with exalted Vaishnavas who are free from duplicity, do not criticize others, do not insult Vaishnavas and do not weave intrigues. We need to try to follow all his instructions, and then we can attain krishna-prema.
Gaura Premanande Hari Hari bol.
Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Goswami Maharaj
Singapore, January 13, 2001
[PADA: OK except, GGM and NM are supporting their illicit sex with men, women and children guru program, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills vaishnavas. That is not raga-bhakti, or even vaidhi bhakti, it is deviation. ys pd]
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Swami BG Narasinga
THE ṚTVIK IDEOLOGY IS NOT PRACTICED IN THE SOCIETY OF PURE DEVOTEES
(From a Bengali essay published in The Gauḍīya, 1939)
[PADA: Sridhara Maharaja made a bi-sexual deviant into their acharya in 1936, and in 1978 he endorsed the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. In other words, worship of a pure devotee is never done, worship of sexual predators, debauchees, drunks, pedophiles and so on -- is the path to reach God. Self-evidently, they forgot to ask God if he approves of their pedophile pooja process.]
Question: If there is hari-nāma initiation and dīkṣā in front of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s samādhi or photograph, will it be against śāstra to touch the mantra and beads to the samādhi or photograph?
Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja: If one pretends to give initiation by touching the mantra or beads to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s photo or samādhi, then it will simply amount to making a business out of arcana. In reality, if one wants initiation into kīrtana-yajña, the descent of the mahanta-guru is essential because he cuts asunder all doubts and is expert in the science of the Absolute (Para-brahma) and the scriptures (sabda-brahma).
[PADA: Yep, if you want to have your doubts cleared up, worship Narayan Maharaja's and Sridhara Maharaja's oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham messiahs, that will make you pure as driven snow! OK I forgot, where does Krishna say we need to worship oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham?]
Even though the aforementioned system of worship can be seen in some apa-sampradāyas, such rituals are not practiced in the society of pure devotees. To say the least, it is an offence to guru and is in heretical opposition to the scriptures. In the words of Ṭhākura
Bhaktivinoda:
“Those people who do not accept the Brahma sampradāya directed by references like para-vyomeśvarasyāsīc chiṣyo brahmā jagat-patiḥ (Brahmā, the lord of the universe, is the first student of Nārāyaṇa, Lord of Vaikuṇṭha") etc. are preachers of heretical opinions according to the words of the Bhāgavata. Anyone who refuses to accept such statements is a promoter of atheism. Those who accept the authority of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya but secretly do not accept this disciplic succession of spiritual preceptors are actually agents of Kali.”
[PADA: Jeepers us poor atheists are left with worshiping pure devotees, and not worshiping Sridhara's oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham messiahs program. Poor us! Heh heh heh.
Of course any five year old USA kid ALREADY knows, we cannot worship dogs having sex in the holy land -- if we want to attain God. We need to worship someone like, OK Jesus, or someone on that level. These sahajiya jokers have to wait to take birth as a five years old USA kid before they can figure that out.
Did we forget to mention? GGM stood up at the 1993 GBC meeting demanding that the GBC not remove his dear most friend Tamal. And NM was in Texas yelling at our people for challenging Tamal. And Tamal is -- the number one suspect in the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada, and the founder of the molester messiahs program. Tamal has to stay, we have to go. Told ya! ys pd]
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Monday, August 29, 2022
ISKCON India Scholars Board: Acharyas Are Sinners Who Need Atonement
[PADA: Now Krishna Kirti (and his Basu Ghosh India ICC) are saying that Lokanath is (A) Krishna's successor guru and (B) a sinful man -- who needed to atone for his sins, and he has conducted devotional actions that purified him of his sins. Wait? Acharyas are sinful men who need to atone for their sins?
Wow, so the India ICC thinks acharyas are sinful, maybe pedophiles, simultaneously, dancing with the gopis? That means they are at best, sahajiyas, if not, sinful demons who want to make illicit sex part of the qualification of being Krishna's successor.
Assuming pure devotees are also sinful pedophiles, let us review the atonement process the GBC originally created. The atonement everyone agreed upon is, he will not hold a post of authority in ISKCON.
When is the agreed upon atonement going to start? Krishna Kirti avoids the whole point. Lokanath acted sinfully, he and the GBC -- and the victim and her family -- all agreed to a specific atonement, he cannot hold a post of authority. When is that going to begin?
Krishna Kirti does not even mention the fact that Lokanath has already broken his original atonement plan. That simply makes him a liar in addition to be a molester. Nor does Krishna Kirti explain how acharyas can be pedophiles who need atonement in the first place?
Nor does Krishna Kirti mention that Lokanath is a big leader in a process that molested several thousand children, and no atonement for all of these other crimes against children is even being discussed. When will that begin?]
Letter PAMHO:
From: Internet: "Krishna Kirti Das" <krishnakirti@gmail.com>
Date: 26-Aug-22 02:56 (08:26 +0530)
To: "Krishna Kirti Das" <krishnakirti@gmail.com>
Reference: Text PAMHO:33427831 by Internet: Krishna Kirti Das
Subject:
Lokanath Case: Is the scientific basis of the CPO compatible with KC?
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Dear Maharajas, Prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP.
The below message was forwarded to the SABHA on August 23, 2022, just a few days ago. This message below in particular discusses the scientific basis
of the CPO and how it relates to child protection generally and the case against Lokanatha Maharaja in particular. I hope you find it informative.
If you prefer to read it as a web page, there is an HTML-based and
formatted version of the letter to the SABHA members that can be found at
this link: https://bit.ly/3Thljgw
Your servant, Krishna Kirti dasa
#### BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ####
Dear members of the SABHA, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and your services to him. I know that some of you feel that in the case regarding Lokanatha Swami should be "re-reviewed" (i.e. retried) by the CPO. And you feel this way because the CPO's diagnostic and investigative abilities in the matter of child protection are based on the "state of the art" in the fields of psychology and social science.
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Dear Maharajas, Prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP.
The below message was forwarded to the SABHA on August 23, 2022, just a few days ago. This message below in particular discusses the scientific basis
of the CPO and how it relates to child protection generally and the case against Lokanatha Maharaja in particular. I hope you find it informative.
If you prefer to read it as a web page, there is an HTML-based and
formatted version of the letter to the SABHA members that can be found at
this link: https://bit.ly/3Thljgw
Your servant, Krishna Kirti dasa
#### BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ####
Dear members of the SABHA, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and your services to him. I know that some of you feel that in the case regarding Lokanatha Swami should be "re-reviewed" (i.e. retried) by the CPO. And you feel this way because the CPO's diagnostic and investigative abilities in the matter of child protection are based on the "state of the art" in the fields of psychology and social science.
[PADA: Not really. Child molesters should not be given a post of authority, especially guru. That is really common morality and not some state of the art modern concept. There are many sahajiya lines that have deviants posing as gurus, and the bona fide Vaishnavas do not accept them -- for centuries.]
Thus, those ISKCON decision-makers who lacked direct training from the CPO or who did not have advanced degrees in the social sciences were never really competent to decide the matter.
[PADA: Cannot argue with that. Over and over the ISKCON decision-makers allowed child molesters into posts of authority. And there has been one serious out cropping after the next -- of subsequent and repeated scandals and problems over and over as a result. The clear history of all this is, yes, the ISKCON leaders have failed -- repeatedly -- to handle molesters and molesting issues. And that is the whole problem with the Lokanath case, they did not handle it properly from square one.]
However, I, like many others, feel that there are also strong reasons to believe that the CPO's scientific orientation may be neither objective nor the best way to deal with this case specifically, or even with the some of the big problems in child protection generally. Most of you have heard shastra-based objections and remain unconvinced by them. But in my opinion (I have an MS in Statistics), some of the strongest reasons to doubt the CPO's science-based approach to social justice come from the field of science itself.
[PADA: Cannot argue with that. Over and over the ISKCON decision-makers allowed child molesters into posts of authority. And there has been one serious out cropping after the next -- of subsequent and repeated scandals and problems over and over as a result. The clear history of all this is, yes, the ISKCON leaders have failed -- repeatedly -- to handle molesters and molesting issues. And that is the whole problem with the Lokanath case, they did not handle it properly from square one.]
However, I, like many others, feel that there are also strong reasons to believe that the CPO's scientific orientation may be neither objective nor the best way to deal with this case specifically, or even with the some of the big problems in child protection generally. Most of you have heard shastra-based objections and remain unconvinced by them. But in my opinion (I have an MS in Statistics), some of the strongest reasons to doubt the CPO's science-based approach to social justice come from the field of science itself.
[PADA: OK science is one thing, common morality is another. Common morality means -- we should have child molesters possibly banned, or at least reduced to perhaps -- visiting under regulated and supervised conditions -- and not be given positions of authority in the society.
The regular mundane society already does that, a registered sex offender has many restrictions and he is banned from being near a school, and he must be supervised when he attends public functions etc. In ISKCON just the opposite happens, abusers or molesters and / or their enablers are welcome, we protestors are banned.
Really, this has no relationship to modern state of the art science, it is just common morality. And as a society -- we must give assurances to the parents of that society -- that they can safely bring their children in confidence into ISKCON.
Right now for example, M Dasi says she CAN trust her kids in the karmi day care, but she CAN NOT ever allow them to be left unsupervised in ISKCON. OK current ISKCON leaders cannot be trusted by many folks, easily thousands and thousands of folks, and that is why -- ISKCON as a society does not have a good track record of properly caring for kids. The Lokanath case is merely one of thousands of cases where children were exploited and no justice was done.]
Not only myself, but none other than the late Sadaputa Prabhu (whose PhD was also in Statistics) expressed a similar fear more generally about ISKCON leaders adopting the non-theistic, mechanistic world-views of modern science just to appear respectable to society at large.
Commenting on modern science's challenge to religious institutions generally, Sadaputa Prabhu writes,
"Today, the Catholic Church has responded to this by creating a Pontifical Academy of Sciences staffed by a host of scientific luminaries, including
several Nobel laureates. The Academy discusses current scientific issues
from a mainstream scientific viewpoint, and it recently proclaimed that,
Not only myself, but none other than the late Sadaputa Prabhu (whose PhD was also in Statistics) expressed a similar fear more generally about ISKCON leaders adopting the non-theistic, mechanistic world-views of modern science just to appear respectable to society at large.
Commenting on modern science's challenge to religious institutions generally, Sadaputa Prabhu writes,
"Today, the Catholic Church has responded to this by creating a Pontifical Academy of Sciences staffed by a host of scientific luminaries, including
several Nobel laureates. The Academy discusses current scientific issues
from a mainstream scientific viewpoint, and it recently proclaimed that,
“We are convinced that masses of evidence render the application of the
concept of evolution to man and the other primates beyond serious dispute.”
Meanwhile, Catholics continue to believe in such things as the miracles of Jesus Christ, which are part of a world view completely alien to the mechanistic, evolutionary world view of modern science.
"For those who are ignorant of the issues, or who are able to enter into a
dissociative state of double-think, this contradictory situation may be tolerable. But for thoughtful, well-educated people, it leads ultimately to one conclusion: science is right, religion is wrong, and there is no God in any traditional sense of that term."
Before taking any decision, I encourage you to read Sadaputa's essay, titled "On Preaching to Scientists and Scholars"
<https://iskcondesiretree.com/profiles/blogs/on-preaching-to-scientists-and-sch
olars-by-sadaputa-dasa>.
And since the CPO is also a science-based institution, Sadaputa's general concerns also apply to the CPO. And here I will briefly discuss some of the concerns Sadaputa generally presented as they could apply to the case of Lokanath Maharaja.
#### Simpson's Paradox ####
The high recidivism rate of convicted of child sexual abusers is used to justify considering even a single offense no matter how slight as unpardonable. Once a child-abuser, always a child-abuser. This is the CPO's policy and also the policy generally followed in law in secular society.
concept of evolution to man and the other primates beyond serious dispute.”
Meanwhile, Catholics continue to believe in such things as the miracles of Jesus Christ, which are part of a world view completely alien to the mechanistic, evolutionary world view of modern science.
"For those who are ignorant of the issues, or who are able to enter into a
dissociative state of double-think, this contradictory situation may be tolerable. But for thoughtful, well-educated people, it leads ultimately to one conclusion: science is right, religion is wrong, and there is no God in any traditional sense of that term."
Before taking any decision, I encourage you to read Sadaputa's essay, titled "On Preaching to Scientists and Scholars"
<https://iskcondesiretree.com/profiles/blogs/on-preaching-to-scientists-and-sch
olars-by-sadaputa-dasa>.
And since the CPO is also a science-based institution, Sadaputa's general concerns also apply to the CPO. And here I will briefly discuss some of the concerns Sadaputa generally presented as they could apply to the case of Lokanath Maharaja.
#### Simpson's Paradox ####
The high recidivism rate of convicted of child sexual abusers is used to justify considering even a single offense no matter how slight as unpardonable. Once a child-abuser, always a child-abuser. This is the CPO's policy and also the policy generally followed in law in secular society.
[PADA: What does that matter to the victims of abuse in ISKCON? Do the victims care if the person might not abuse again? That is not the issue. The issue is -- that the molesters have to be given some sort of punishment and restrictions, and making them into messiahs is not doing that at all. And since thousands of kids were molested under Lokanath's jackboot's regime, he should be held accountable for all those victims as well. Everyone wants to know, when is that going to finally happen?]
But this argument is susceptible to being undermined by the statistical effect called Simpson's Paradox. A Simpson's Paradox occurs when a trend appears in two or more different groups of data but disappears or reverses when the data from all the groups is combined into a single group. The Wikipedia entry on Simpson's Paradox
But this argument is susceptible to being undermined by the statistical effect called Simpson's Paradox. A Simpson's Paradox occurs when a trend appears in two or more different groups of data but disappears or reverses when the data from all the groups is combined into a single group. The Wikipedia entry on Simpson's Paradox
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox> gives the example of a
famous gender-bias study conducted at UC Berkely in 1973. In that study, the overall acceptance rate of men across all programs was found to be higher than the acceptance rate of women. This outcome suggested that there was indeed an effect of gender-bias against women in favour of men.
But on closer investigation, it was found that men tended to apply to departments that were larger and less competitive (and therefore had higher acceptance rates), and that women tended to apply to departments that were smaller and more competitive (and thus had lower acceptance rates).
And once the necessary corrections were made, the data actually showed that
there was a "small but statistically significant bias in favour of women." Indeed, in 4 of the 6 largest departments, women had a statistically higher rate of acceptance than men.
Thus, by removing distinctions between subgroups in data, Simpson's Paradox
masks or reverses the actual trends present in subgroups.
famous gender-bias study conducted at UC Berkely in 1973. In that study, the overall acceptance rate of men across all programs was found to be higher than the acceptance rate of women. This outcome suggested that there was indeed an effect of gender-bias against women in favour of men.
But on closer investigation, it was found that men tended to apply to departments that were larger and less competitive (and therefore had higher acceptance rates), and that women tended to apply to departments that were smaller and more competitive (and thus had lower acceptance rates).
And once the necessary corrections were made, the data actually showed that
there was a "small but statistically significant bias in favour of women." Indeed, in 4 of the 6 largest departments, women had a statistically higher rate of acceptance than men.
Thus, by removing distinctions between subgroups in data, Simpson's Paradox
masks or reverses the actual trends present in subgroups.
## How does Simpson's Paradox apply to Lokanatha Maharaja's case? ##
There is reason to believe that Maharaja belongs to a subgroup whose recidivism rate would be very low to nil. That group would consist of saintly people who fully take shelter of the Lord as the means for atoning for their sins.
There is reason to believe that Maharaja belongs to a subgroup whose recidivism rate would be very low to nil. That group would consist of saintly people who fully take shelter of the Lord as the means for atoning for their sins.
As per Bhagavad-gita 9.30, and Srila Prabhupada's purport, for such people, only taking shelter of the Lord's devotional service is the only requirement, and such people remain saintly. The liberation of Ajamila and also Jagai and Madhai from the reactions of their sins shows that bhakti not only pardons them for their sins but they are cleansed of the tendency.
This subgroup would have a low to nil recidivism rate.
But the problem with child abuse science is that no one wants to fund studies to identify subgroups of child abusers who have low recidivism rates. Politicians and other grant-giving institutions do not want to pay for that kind of research. Scientists who find child abusers with high recidivism rates will get grant money for more research; finding subgroups with low recidivism rates will not. Hence, the scientists and the science in the area of child abuse is biased toward a socially favoured outcome.
#### Confounded Variables and Theoretical Perspective ####
## Confounded Variables ##
Confounded variables occur when two or more characteristics (variables) in your observed data can explain a particular effect and there is no way to reliably distinguish the strength of the effect of one variable from another.
For example, conservative estimates of child sexual abuse broken down by gender are that at least 90% of all victims are female and at least 90% of their abusers are male. Although a female child is certainly less able to defend herself than a grown woman, you cannot understand from these statistics whether being a child or being female has a greater effect in causing a child sex abuse event to occur. Thus, the variables "child" and "female" are confounded.
But the problem with child abuse science is that no one wants to fund studies to identify subgroups of child abusers who have low recidivism rates. Politicians and other grant-giving institutions do not want to pay for that kind of research. Scientists who find child abusers with high recidivism rates will get grant money for more research; finding subgroups with low recidivism rates will not. Hence, the scientists and the science in the area of child abuse is biased toward a socially favoured outcome.
#### Confounded Variables and Theoretical Perspective ####
## Confounded Variables ##
Confounded variables occur when two or more characteristics (variables) in your observed data can explain a particular effect and there is no way to reliably distinguish the strength of the effect of one variable from another.
For example, conservative estimates of child sexual abuse broken down by gender are that at least 90% of all victims are female and at least 90% of their abusers are male. Although a female child is certainly less able to defend herself than a grown woman, you cannot understand from these statistics whether being a child or being female has a greater effect in causing a child sex abuse event to occur. Thus, the variables "child" and "female" are confounded.
If your policy for child sexual abuse prevention depends on these variables, then knowing whether "child" or "female" has the stronger effect will determine what kind of policy and institution you put in place to deal with your problem. But if your variables are confounded or not subject to accurate investigation, then you have to make some guess as to which of the variables are more important. Once you make this guess, then you can go about creating your science experiment or building your institution.
## Theoretical Perspective ##
This "guess" comes from a "theoretical perspective," which is a set of unproven assumptions held by scientists about the causes and effects they see in the data they investigate. Often, the science researchers create experiments in order to confirm or reject the assumptions of their theoretical perspective.
But more often than not, a theoretical perspective remains unproven yet still becomes widespread in a particular scientific field, just like the Big-Bang Theory in Astrophysics, where it has become a virtually unchallengeable orthodoxy. And because it's an orthodoxy, there is grant money for Big-Bang Theory-based research and almost nothing if you want to challenge it.
And scientific fields like psychology, sociology, anthropology, economics, etc., must rely more on theoretical perspectives than do any other scientific fields. This is because humans as compared with atoms and chemicals are much more difficult to reliably investigate. Atoms do not care if you blow them up or just want to look at them, but humans do. And humans typically don't like you looking over their shoulder and often lie about who they are or what they did. So, in place of reliable data and inference, these fields rely more on unproven beliefs about their subject of study (humans) than any other field. Indeed, the science in these fields
is significantly dependent on the researchers' personal or shared but unproven beliefs.
#### The CPO and its theoretical perspective ####
So, what is the CPO's theoretical perspective? What are some of the shared,
unproven beliefs that motivate their policies?
Children are vulnerable and deserve protection, but so are women. Thus, in the field of child sexual abuse, the question as to whether child or gender is the more significant factor is confounded. So, as with the science that informs it, an unproven belief in the CPO's theoretical perspective is that child is more important than gender. Therefore their solutions like "good touch, bad touch" tend to be child-centric and gender-neutral. As the CPO's name implies, the "child" in "Child Protection Office" gives more weight to being a child than to any other factor.
#### Gender Neutrality and Power Relations ####
The CPO's own definition of child abuse tells us much about its theoretical perspective. Not only is it gender-neutral to a fault, it also gives
differences in power-relations as a causal explanation for impetus to abuse
a child in the first place.
As per the CPO's website
<https://www.iskconchildprotection.org/what-is-child-abuse>:
"Child abuse is when a person exerts his or her power over a child in ways that harm and/or exploit the child. The abuser is powerful; the child is vulnerable. The abuser can gain power over the child through size, position, knowledge, or money. All of these work to make the abuser feel he or she is able to behave inappropriately toward a child and that the child will be unable to stop the abusive behavior."
This is the CPO's fundamental definition of child abuse, and its commitment to gender-neutrality and power-relations as a causal factor will tell us much about the CPO's theoretical perspective and its origins.
#### Power-Relations Theory and its Marxist Origins ####
In the broader field of the social sciences, the concept of power-relations, has several contributing theoretical perspectives. But perhaps one of the earliest and most influential among them is the Marxist perspective on class difference.
The Marxist theory of class difference is that differences between social classes in society itself gives rise to exploitation, since the people who are in a superior class necessarily act to preserve their status, which must come at the expense of exploiting others in the inferior class.
The CPO definition of abuse closely follows this understanding by noting that differences in power between an abuser and a child gives rise to desires to abuse the child (highlighting added):
"The *abuser is powerful*; the *child is vulnerable*. The abuser can *gain power* over the child *through size, position, knowledge, or money*.
All of *these work to make the abuser feel he or she is able to behave
inappropriately *toward a child."
Note that possessing power generates the feeling that "he or she" is able to behave inappropriately toward a child."
This close resemblance to classic Marxist class-conflict theory is hardly surprising, as the field of sociology itself is significantly Marxist in its own origins. As per C. Wright Mills, author of *The Sociological Imaginiation,*
"So very much of modern social science has been a frequently unacknowledged
debate with the work of Marx and a reflection, as well of the challenge of
the socialist movements and communist parties."
This does not imply that members of the CPO are secret Marxists. But given the historical development of the social sciences, it would be naive of them or anyone else to continue to believe that their perspectives and methods are not deeply influenced by Marxist thought.
#### Power Relations Theory explains commitment to gender-neutrality ####
## Theoretical Perspective ##
This "guess" comes from a "theoretical perspective," which is a set of unproven assumptions held by scientists about the causes and effects they see in the data they investigate. Often, the science researchers create experiments in order to confirm or reject the assumptions of their theoretical perspective.
But more often than not, a theoretical perspective remains unproven yet still becomes widespread in a particular scientific field, just like the Big-Bang Theory in Astrophysics, where it has become a virtually unchallengeable orthodoxy. And because it's an orthodoxy, there is grant money for Big-Bang Theory-based research and almost nothing if you want to challenge it.
And scientific fields like psychology, sociology, anthropology, economics, etc., must rely more on theoretical perspectives than do any other scientific fields. This is because humans as compared with atoms and chemicals are much more difficult to reliably investigate. Atoms do not care if you blow them up or just want to look at them, but humans do. And humans typically don't like you looking over their shoulder and often lie about who they are or what they did. So, in place of reliable data and inference, these fields rely more on unproven beliefs about their subject of study (humans) than any other field. Indeed, the science in these fields
is significantly dependent on the researchers' personal or shared but unproven beliefs.
#### The CPO and its theoretical perspective ####
So, what is the CPO's theoretical perspective? What are some of the shared,
unproven beliefs that motivate their policies?
Children are vulnerable and deserve protection, but so are women. Thus, in the field of child sexual abuse, the question as to whether child or gender is the more significant factor is confounded. So, as with the science that informs it, an unproven belief in the CPO's theoretical perspective is that child is more important than gender. Therefore their solutions like "good touch, bad touch" tend to be child-centric and gender-neutral. As the CPO's name implies, the "child" in "Child Protection Office" gives more weight to being a child than to any other factor.
#### Gender Neutrality and Power Relations ####
The CPO's own definition of child abuse tells us much about its theoretical perspective. Not only is it gender-neutral to a fault, it also gives
differences in power-relations as a causal explanation for impetus to abuse
a child in the first place.
As per the CPO's website
<https://www.iskconchildprotection.org/what-is-child-abuse>:
"Child abuse is when a person exerts his or her power over a child in ways that harm and/or exploit the child. The abuser is powerful; the child is vulnerable. The abuser can gain power over the child through size, position, knowledge, or money. All of these work to make the abuser feel he or she is able to behave inappropriately toward a child and that the child will be unable to stop the abusive behavior."
This is the CPO's fundamental definition of child abuse, and its commitment to gender-neutrality and power-relations as a causal factor will tell us much about the CPO's theoretical perspective and its origins.
#### Power-Relations Theory and its Marxist Origins ####
In the broader field of the social sciences, the concept of power-relations, has several contributing theoretical perspectives. But perhaps one of the earliest and most influential among them is the Marxist perspective on class difference.
The Marxist theory of class difference is that differences between social classes in society itself gives rise to exploitation, since the people who are in a superior class necessarily act to preserve their status, which must come at the expense of exploiting others in the inferior class.
The CPO definition of abuse closely follows this understanding by noting that differences in power between an abuser and a child gives rise to desires to abuse the child (highlighting added):
"The *abuser is powerful*; the *child is vulnerable*. The abuser can *gain power* over the child *through size, position, knowledge, or money*.
All of *these work to make the abuser feel he or she is able to behave
inappropriately *toward a child."
Note that possessing power generates the feeling that "he or she" is able to behave inappropriately toward a child."
This close resemblance to classic Marxist class-conflict theory is hardly surprising, as the field of sociology itself is significantly Marxist in its own origins. As per C. Wright Mills, author of *The Sociological Imaginiation,*
"So very much of modern social science has been a frequently unacknowledged
debate with the work of Marx and a reflection, as well of the challenge of
the socialist movements and communist parties."
This does not imply that members of the CPO are secret Marxists. But given the historical development of the social sciences, it would be naive of them or anyone else to continue to believe that their perspectives and methods are not deeply influenced by Marxist thought.
#### Power Relations Theory explains commitment to gender-neutrality ####
The CPO's belief in power-relations theory is related to their gender-neutral definition of child sexual-abuse, in which sexual gratification is described in gender-neutral terms (bolding added):
"When perpetrators (male or female) use a child to meet their own sexual needs, where a child is coerced (physical / verbal), induced, persuaded, enticed, seduced, exposed, or entrapped into sexual acts with another person. The coercion can be either physical or verbal. Examples of sexual abuse may include fondling, intercourse, incest, and the exploitation of and exposure to child pornography or prostitution. *It is important to note that the child is never truly capable of consenting or resisting such contact.*"
Why does the CPO say "It is important to note that the child is never truly
capable of consenting"? Because if a child were able to give consent, then it wouldn't be abuse. Again, power-relations, or power-difference, is implied as the cause of abuse. That also explains why child marriage, for example, would also be considered abusive—even if both families of a boy and girl agreed to the proposal.
"When perpetrators (male or female) use a child to meet their own sexual needs, where a child is coerced (physical / verbal), induced, persuaded, enticed, seduced, exposed, or entrapped into sexual acts with another person. The coercion can be either physical or verbal. Examples of sexual abuse may include fondling, intercourse, incest, and the exploitation of and exposure to child pornography or prostitution. *It is important to note that the child is never truly capable of consenting or resisting such contact.*"
Why does the CPO say "It is important to note that the child is never truly
capable of consenting"? Because if a child were able to give consent, then it wouldn't be abuse. Again, power-relations, or power-difference, is implied as the cause of abuse. That also explains why child marriage, for example, would also be considered abusive—even if both families of a boy and girl agreed to the proposal.
The power-relations theory also explains why the CPO and advocates for it want to give the harshest punishment to Lokanatha Maharaja, which may include not only ending his authority to act as a diksha-guru but also require him to give up the sannyasa ashram. By curbing power-relations, or by minimizing class difference, Marxists believe that curbing the power of the elites restores equality and therefore reduces exploitation.
#### Power Relations Theory to avoid being accused of homophobia ####
But a more important reason for the CPO's adherence to gender neutrality is the social science community's belief that homosexuality is natural and not evidence of any kind of disordered condition. Otherwise, if gender was fundamental to the definition of child sexual abuse, then being openly homosexual would automatically mark one as a likely child abuser.
It should also be noted that until about 50 years ago, all civilized countries considered homosexual behaviour criminally punishable. The modern social science community considers this view to be repugnant, perhaps more than any other. And the typical way to avoid this accusation is to explain child abuse, including sexual abuse, in gender neutral terms and power relations so as not to be accused of being homophobic.
Members of the CPO know that to be suspected of being homophobic in any
measure will be professional suicide. Therefore the CPO itself has taken shelter of power-relations theory to preserve their public respectability and authority.
#### CPO theoretical perspective clashes with Krishna Consciousness ####
Sadaputa Prabhu's primary worry was that if ISKCON leaders adopt scientific
perspectives in order to appear respectable, that this would result in a loss of faith among ISKCON's own people. And the CPO is a particular example illustrating that concern.
Much could be said about the differences between the CPO's theoretical perspective and Krishna conscious perspective, but the most important with
regard to child sexual abuse is that according to the Bhagavatam, sex attraction itself is the fundamental basis of material life (pumsa-striya mithuni bhavam etam, SB 5.5.8), and hence despite the best of training a man simply being within close proximity of a woman is liable to be attracted by sex.
mātrā svasrā duhitrā vā nāviviktāsano bhavet
balavān indriya-grāmo vidvāṁsam api karṣati
"One should not allow oneself to sit on the same seat even with one’s own mother, sister or daughter, for the senses are so strong that even though
one is very advanced in knowledge, he may be attracted by sex." (SB 9.19.17)
The implications of this are that when gender difference is considered the causal impetus for sex attraction, regardless of whether it is a child or not, then the emphasis is no longer on the child but on segregating society by gender.
Furthermore, being attracted by sex is no longer considered a product of power relations or class difference as per the Marxists. Instead, the sex attraction is acknowledged as a power outside of one's own self, and therefore controlling it requires arranging social relations in such a way that the possibility of the genders coming within close contact is minimized.
In other words, the theoretical perspective in Krishna consciousness is that gender, not child, is the fundamental causal factor for child sexual abuse. Therefore the Krishna conscious solution to child sexual abuse is to rearrange the society such that women come only into minimal contact with men. If 90% of child sex abuse victims are female, and 90% of the perpetrators are men, then minimizing the chances for contact between the genders will reduce the great majority of child sexual abuse incidents.
Would the CPO advocate for this? The CPO has its own theoretical perspective, which is compatible with modern social science but not with Krishna consciousness—at least not in certain fundamental ways and certainly not fully.
Your servant,
Krishna Kirti Das
Convenor
ISKCON India Scholars Board
https://iisb.co.in
#### Power Relations Theory to avoid being accused of homophobia ####
But a more important reason for the CPO's adherence to gender neutrality is the social science community's belief that homosexuality is natural and not evidence of any kind of disordered condition. Otherwise, if gender was fundamental to the definition of child sexual abuse, then being openly homosexual would automatically mark one as a likely child abuser.
It should also be noted that until about 50 years ago, all civilized countries considered homosexual behaviour criminally punishable. The modern social science community considers this view to be repugnant, perhaps more than any other. And the typical way to avoid this accusation is to explain child abuse, including sexual abuse, in gender neutral terms and power relations so as not to be accused of being homophobic.
Members of the CPO know that to be suspected of being homophobic in any
measure will be professional suicide. Therefore the CPO itself has taken shelter of power-relations theory to preserve their public respectability and authority.
#### CPO theoretical perspective clashes with Krishna Consciousness ####
Sadaputa Prabhu's primary worry was that if ISKCON leaders adopt scientific
perspectives in order to appear respectable, that this would result in a loss of faith among ISKCON's own people. And the CPO is a particular example illustrating that concern.
Much could be said about the differences between the CPO's theoretical perspective and Krishna conscious perspective, but the most important with
regard to child sexual abuse is that according to the Bhagavatam, sex attraction itself is the fundamental basis of material life (pumsa-striya mithuni bhavam etam, SB 5.5.8), and hence despite the best of training a man simply being within close proximity of a woman is liable to be attracted by sex.
mātrā svasrā duhitrā vā nāviviktāsano bhavet
balavān indriya-grāmo vidvāṁsam api karṣati
"One should not allow oneself to sit on the same seat even with one’s own mother, sister or daughter, for the senses are so strong that even though
one is very advanced in knowledge, he may be attracted by sex." (SB 9.19.17)
The implications of this are that when gender difference is considered the causal impetus for sex attraction, regardless of whether it is a child or not, then the emphasis is no longer on the child but on segregating society by gender.
Furthermore, being attracted by sex is no longer considered a product of power relations or class difference as per the Marxists. Instead, the sex attraction is acknowledged as a power outside of one's own self, and therefore controlling it requires arranging social relations in such a way that the possibility of the genders coming within close contact is minimized.
In other words, the theoretical perspective in Krishna consciousness is that gender, not child, is the fundamental causal factor for child sexual abuse. Therefore the Krishna conscious solution to child sexual abuse is to rearrange the society such that women come only into minimal contact with men. If 90% of child sex abuse victims are female, and 90% of the perpetrators are men, then minimizing the chances for contact between the genders will reduce the great majority of child sexual abuse incidents.
Would the CPO advocate for this? The CPO has its own theoretical perspective, which is compatible with modern social science but not with Krishna consciousness—at least not in certain fundamental ways and certainly not fully.
Your servant,
Krishna Kirti Das
Convenor
ISKCON India Scholars Board
https://iisb.co.in
Due to restraints of time, I did not include references for many of the points. If you have any questions about sources or references, please correspond with me privately. Ys, KKdas
End of Forwarded Message ------
[PADA: OK so we are left with a toothless internal process to deal with molesting. Therefore PADA and our associates are doing the right thing, advising people to go to the police authorities, exposing the Lokanath regime, suing the Lokanath regime, and starting a group of people to counter the Lokanath pedophile messiah's club. There is no other good option. And we are again being interviewed by the mundane media people right now, and what else can we tell them -- other than -- pedophile worship is still going on now, as it has all along since 1978?
And worse, even when one of their pedophile messiahs is found to be guilty, and he -- and maybe just everyone else in ISKCON management -- agrees he has to atone, he does not even bother to follow the agreed upon atonement process. They just spit in the faces of their victims, over and over and over.
Then they make pretend they cannot understand why some of their victims feel suicidal, or they commit suicide in fact? Or their victims just hate the religion? Ummm, ok because you guys are training them to hate the religion by your actions, and your contrived explanations for why pedophiles should be excused, such as Krishna Kirti does herein.
ys pd]
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Sunday, August 28, 2022
Ramesvara (Robert Grant) Writes Wrongs (Update)
Here is the list of the sahajia gurus in Iskcon:
Adikarta Das
Atmanivedana Swami
Badrinarayan Swami
Bhaktivaibhava Swami
Bhakti Bhrnga Govinda Swami
Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhakti Carudesna Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Dhira Damodara Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Gaurava Narayan Swami (TKG)
Bhakti Gauravani Goswami
Bhakti Prabhupada-vrata Damodara Swami
Bhakti Raghava Swami
Bhakti Sundar Goswami
Bhakti Vasudeva Swami
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami (RNS)
Bhakti Vikasa Swami
Bhaktivyasa Tirtha Swami (BSDS)
Bhakti VV Narasimha Swami
Bhakti-bhusana Swami
Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhurijana Das
Bir Krsna Das Goswami
Caitanya Candra Das (GGS)
Caitanya Candra Caran Das (JPS)
Candra Mukha Swami (HDG)
Candramauli Swami
Caru Das
Danavir Goswami
Devamrita Swami
Dhanvantari Swami
Dhirasanta Das Goswami
Drutakarma Das
Giridhari Swami
Giriraja Swami
Gopaswami Das
Gopal Krsna Goswami
Guru Prasad Swami
Hanumatpresaka Swami
Harivilas Das
Hrdayananda dasa Goswami
Indradyumna Swami
Janananda dasa Goswami
Jayapataka Swami
Jivananda Das
Kadamba Kanana Swami (JAS)
Kalakantha Das
Kavicandra Swami
Kesava Bharati dasa Goswami
Kratu Das
Kripamoya Das
Krsna Ksetra Swami
Lokanath Swami
Madhu Sevita Das
Mahadyuti Swami
Mahaman Das
Mahatma Das
Mahavisnu Swami
Manonatha Das
Matsya Avatara Das
Medhavi Das
Narayani Devi Dasi
Navayogendra Swami
Niranjana Swami
Partha Sarathi Das Goswami
Prahladananda Swami
Purushatraya Swami
Radhacaran Das (TKG)
Radha Govinda Swami
Radha Krishna Das (TKG)
Radhanath Swami
Rama Govinda Swami (KDS)
Ravindra Svarupa Das
Romapada Swami
Rtadhvaja Swami
Sacinandana Swami
Samik Rsi Das
Sankarsana Das
Satyadeva Das
Sivarama Swami
Smita Krsna Swami
Srivas Das (BTS)
Subhaga Swami
Suresvara Das
Trivikrama Swami
Vaisesika Das
Varsana Swami
Vedavyasapriya Swami
Virabahu Das
Yamunacarya D
RSD: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that. Take things very easily.
https://vaniquotes.org/.../These_sahajiyas_will_come_out...
These sahajiyas will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Maharaja's disciples, so many sahajiyas came - Vaniquotes
VANIQUOTES.ORG
VD: Which ones are not sahajia prabhu please name them from the list. The elected guru system by the gbc was never authorized by my guru. Tell me where these so called people get the authority to be diksa gurus. Again please list the ones you think are not imposters. Robert Grant please prabhu list the ones you think are qualified diksa guru’s according to PRABHUPADA’S directive.
[PADA: Telling these people to take karma is hurting them, and ISKCON, and worse, the karma of the disciples is not absolved. No winners.
When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer."
Adikarta Das
Atmanivedana Swami
Badrinarayan Swami
Bhaktivaibhava Swami
Bhakti Bhrnga Govinda Swami
Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhakti Carudesna Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Dhira Damodara Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Gaurava Narayan Swami (TKG)
Bhakti Gauravani Goswami
Bhakti Prabhupada-vrata Damodara Swami
Bhakti Raghava Swami
Bhakti Sundar Goswami
Bhakti Vasudeva Swami
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami (RNS)
Bhakti Vikasa Swami
Bhaktivyasa Tirtha Swami (BSDS)
Bhakti VV Narasimha Swami
Bhakti-bhusana Swami
Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhurijana Das
Bir Krsna Das Goswami
Caitanya Candra Das (GGS)
Caitanya Candra Caran Das (JPS)
Candra Mukha Swami (HDG)
Candramauli Swami
Caru Das
Danavir Goswami
Devamrita Swami
Dhanvantari Swami
Dhirasanta Das Goswami
Drutakarma Das
Giridhari Swami
Giriraja Swami
Gopaswami Das
Gopal Krsna Goswami
Guru Prasad Swami
Hanumatpresaka Swami
Harivilas Das
Hrdayananda dasa Goswami
Indradyumna Swami
Janananda dasa Goswami
Jayapataka Swami
Jivananda Das
Kadamba Kanana Swami (JAS)
Kalakantha Das
Kavicandra Swami
Kesava Bharati dasa Goswami
Kratu Das
Kripamoya Das
Krsna Ksetra Swami
Lokanath Swami
Madhu Sevita Das
Mahadyuti Swami
Mahaman Das
Mahatma Das
Mahavisnu Swami
Manonatha Das
Matsya Avatara Das
Medhavi Das
Narayani Devi Dasi
Navayogendra Swami
Niranjana Swami
Partha Sarathi Das Goswami
Prahladananda Swami
Purushatraya Swami
Radhacaran Das (TKG)
Radha Govinda Swami
Radha Krishna Das (TKG)
Radhanath Swami
Rama Govinda Swami (KDS)
Ravindra Svarupa Das
Romapada Swami
Rtadhvaja Swami
Sacinandana Swami
Samik Rsi Das
Sankarsana Das
Satyadeva Das
Sivarama Swami
Smita Krsna Swami
Srivas Das (BTS)
Subhaga Swami
Suresvara Das
Trivikrama Swami
Vaisesika Das
Varsana Swami
Vedavyasapriya Swami
Virabahu Das
Yamunacarya D
VD: It's up to every devotee to ascertain. Maybe a better question is are they utama adhikari devotees? Or how many have fallen down or about to relinquish their guru status as diksa? This is not a system Prabhupada wanted after his departure this we are convinced as fact 100 percent. Facts don’t lie but people do!
Robert Grant: While we may agree on a number of issues, it seems absurd to simply call practically every ISKCON diksa guru a sahajiya is clearly a misuse of the word sahajiya and really borders on offending de press who have dedicated their lives to propagating the holy names of the Lord.
Such a misuse of the word sahajiya- you and everyone else should know much better than to use such a blanket condemnation on practically every current guru giving diksa in that particular way.
RS: Former ex-hippies as ISKCON diksa gurus? Have they become liberated souls in one life? Not only that they have to be approved and appointed(elected) and regulated by the mafia (so called GBC criminals) if that isn’t sahajiya what is?
Robert Grant: Ronald Singh perhaps you should research how Srila Prabhupada used the word sahajiya - then it wouldn’t be applied so indiscriminately against those who are true preachers and leaders of public Sankirtan Yajnas and Festivals and mass Book Distribution.
MPD: Robert Grant perhaps you should do a more in depth analysis of what a diksa guru is, and how one can attain to such a status.
Robert Grant: In Srila Prabhupada’s there are many statements that Madhyama Adhikari devotees or even aspiring Madhyama devotees may give diksa as they connect their disciples to their eternal Siksa Guru, Srila Prabhupada! In 1980 I published 3 papers about this and have to em out to every devotee in the western US zone. I assure you that I have carefully researched that topic with our best BBT writers and editors who assisted in researching and preparing those papers.
[PADA: Yep, here we go again. Ramesvara's idea is -- that people who are falling into illicit sex, drugs, watching porno, having sex with boys in the cottage and motorhome ... etc. are "Madhyama adhikary." Ummm, nope, they are not even up to the standards of ordinary karmis -- who avoid these actions.
Robert Grant: While we may agree on a number of issues, it seems absurd to simply call practically every ISKCON diksa guru a sahajiya is clearly a misuse of the word sahajiya and really borders on offending de press who have dedicated their lives to propagating the holy names of the Lord.
Such a misuse of the word sahajiya- you and everyone else should know much better than to use such a blanket condemnation on practically every current guru giving diksa in that particular way.
RS: Former ex-hippies as ISKCON diksa gurus? Have they become liberated souls in one life? Not only that they have to be approved and appointed(elected) and regulated by the mafia (so called GBC criminals) if that isn’t sahajiya what is?
Robert Grant: Ronald Singh perhaps you should research how Srila Prabhupada used the word sahajiya - then it wouldn’t be applied so indiscriminately against those who are true preachers and leaders of public Sankirtan Yajnas and Festivals and mass Book Distribution.
MPD: Robert Grant perhaps you should do a more in depth analysis of what a diksa guru is, and how one can attain to such a status.
Robert Grant: In Srila Prabhupada’s there are many statements that Madhyama Adhikari devotees or even aspiring Madhyama devotees may give diksa as they connect their disciples to their eternal Siksa Guru, Srila Prabhupada! In 1980 I published 3 papers about this and have to em out to every devotee in the western US zone. I assure you that I have carefully researched that topic with our best BBT writers and editors who assisted in researching and preparing those papers.
[PADA: Yep, here we go again. Ramesvara's idea is -- that people who are falling into illicit sex, drugs, watching porno, having sex with boys in the cottage and motorhome ... etc. are "Madhyama adhikary." Ummm, nope, they are not even up to the standards of ordinary karmis -- who avoid these actions.
Even low grade Kanisthas are not drinking Vodka and peppermint Schnapps, while getting stoned on percodans, while having sex with half dozen disciples etc. This has nothing to do with Madhyama devotees.
Why does Ramesvara always mix up BONA FIDE Madhyama devotees with his drunk and disorderly drugs and illicit sex addicts? This is an insult to the platform of bona fide Madhyama devotees, to keep mixing them up with Ramesvara's dog-like behavior artificially rubber stamped gurus.
Srila Prabhupada says illicit sex and drugs are part of lower levels of sudra behaviors, he never telescopes that to Madhyama (anartha nivritti) platform. That means Ramesvara is mixing lesser level sudra level to bona fide Madhyama level.]
RSD: Any businessman can do what you suggested. After Srila Prabhupada’s BBT was hijacked, it was all lawlessness . You directly participated in both activities (guru business and accessory to BBT hijacking) it’s not our business to judge you here but present the truth. And Robert Grant, you became a “disciple” in 1970 and wrote the Madhyama paper in 1980? After that the so called “Madhyama” were crashing and burning. Your works need a complete revision. After you found out your Madhyama were having illicit sex and taking drugs, your paper should have said "these people are not even kanistha."
RSD: Any businessman can do what you suggested. After Srila Prabhupada’s BBT was hijacked, it was all lawlessness . You directly participated in both activities (guru business and accessory to BBT hijacking) it’s not our business to judge you here but present the truth. And Robert Grant, you became a “disciple” in 1970 and wrote the Madhyama paper in 1980? After that the so called “Madhyama” were crashing and burning. Your works need a complete revision. After you found out your Madhyama were having illicit sex and taking drugs, your paper should have said "these people are not even kanistha."
Robert Grant: You don’t know me or my heart or my devotional consciousness, and really shouldn’t accuse devotees of things that they didn’t do. I can only continue to respond to comments presented respectfully to all. I hope this chain can elevate to that standard.
RSD: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that. Take things very easily.
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These sahajiyas will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Maharaja's disciples, so many sahajiyas came - Vaniquotes
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VD: Which ones are not sahajia prabhu please name them from the list. The elected guru system by the gbc was never authorized by my guru. Tell me where these so called people get the authority to be diksa gurus. Again please list the ones you think are not imposters. Robert Grant please prabhu list the ones you think are qualified diksa guru’s according to PRABHUPADA’S directive.
[PADA: Telling these people to take karma is hurting them, and ISKCON, and worse, the karma of the disciples is not absolved. No winners.
When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer."
Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering.
So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions.
That is also why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants.
That is also why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants.
In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually. So -- I also have no idea why a woman posing as diksha guru or a man posing as diksha guru could take karma when he said -- none of you are qualified. They think they can absorb sins, because Jesus is absorbing sins and they are his equals. That is why Srila Prabhupada said, we need to send them back to Bellvue.
Worse! Ramesvara's pal -- ISKCON guru Jayadvaita -- said he was getting sick and tired from taking karma. So he appointed his much younger disciple -- Kadamba -- to start initiating instead. That much younger disciple now has terminal cancer.
Worse! Ramesvara's pal -- ISKCON guru Jayadvaita -- said he was getting sick and tired from taking karma. So he appointed his much younger disciple -- Kadamba -- to start initiating instead. That much younger disciple now has terminal cancer.
They are suffering from taking karma, so let us spread the misery around. I got sick from drinking the sour milk, so let me serve out sour milk to everyone else in the house -- and make them also get sick and suffer. Why does Ramesvara want others to get sick, fall down, and / or die, like his guru compadres are doing left, right and center? I am suffering from taking karma, let us make that an epidemic.
A neophyte cannot absorb the sins of another neophyte, and Srila Prabhupada says -- if this is done artificially, "you will have to suffer." He said we would get sick, fall down, or both. And much worse has happened, and repeatedly.
And we see examples of that, left, right and center. He told us, neophytes do not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins ... and we don't. Ramesvara sees how his fellow "gurus" are falling down, getting sick, having constant migraines, or even dying prematurely, and he wants to give that process of suffering and death to others. Why?]
**** Dasi: Many people fall down, but they weren't initiating anyone. Everyone has to die, so what if they are taking karma from others or not? I fail to see why it matters if people are taking other's karma or not, they all die anyway.
[PADA: People who were not initiating were falling down even when Srila Prabhupada was here. That does not change the facts: the neophyte does not have brahmana tejyas to absorb sins, and that is what he said. People all over the world are falling down, that does not authorize anyone to take karma. Yes, any conditioned soul can fall down -- and any person can get sick from cancer or some other disease. That is not the point.
The point is, Srila Prabhupada told us specifically -- we cannot take sins. And if we do, we have to suffer. They even admit they are getting sick and falling down from taking karma. Anyway, that is what he said, and he also said that if we do not follow this -- we can take birth as a snake and be eaten by ants later on -- the karma never goes away.
**** Dasi: Many people fall down, but they weren't initiating anyone. Everyone has to die, so what if they are taking karma from others or not? I fail to see why it matters if people are taking other's karma or not, they all die anyway.
[PADA: People who were not initiating were falling down even when Srila Prabhupada was here. That does not change the facts: the neophyte does not have brahmana tejyas to absorb sins, and that is what he said. People all over the world are falling down, that does not authorize anyone to take karma. Yes, any conditioned soul can fall down -- and any person can get sick from cancer or some other disease. That is not the point.
The point is, Srila Prabhupada told us specifically -- we cannot take sins. And if we do, we have to suffer. They even admit they are getting sick and falling down from taking karma. Anyway, that is what he said, and he also said that if we do not follow this -- we can take birth as a snake and be eaten by ants later on -- the karma never goes away.
Ordinary people might not have to take birth as a snake and be eaten by ants, because they are not that sinful. Srila Prabhupada also said Jesus is still taking karma of his sincere disciples now, that means the people who think they are another Jesus are going to have to suffer, this life or the next. People who eat meat have to die, and the people who do not eat meat also have to die, that is not a licence to eat meat.
As for Adi Karta, he was one of the people who told me it is a good idea for Jayatirtha to be a diksha guru and absorb the sins of thousands of people. OK how did that work out? Jayatirtha left and UK yatra went bankrupted, and JT departs in a huge media scandal. And then Adi karta tells even more neophytes to take sins, and he claims to be as good as Jesus and too can take sins.
As for Adi Karta, he was one of the people who told me it is a good idea for Jayatirtha to be a diksha guru and absorb the sins of thousands of people. OK how did that work out? Jayatirtha left and UK yatra went bankrupted, and JT departs in a huge media scandal. And then Adi karta tells even more neophytes to take sins, and he claims to be as good as Jesus and too can take sins.
So Ramesevara's people like Jayadvaita say that they are suffering from taking sins, so they tell Kadamba to take sins instead of Jayadvaita, now Kadamba has terminal cancer. And Ramesvara thinks that having all this fall down, suffering and no small amount of departed untimely people, and associated horrible publicity, is sincere preaching?
If you know that advising people to take karma causes them to suffer, and depart, why would you make that happen to others? Never mind that people who take karma without authority have to take birth as a snake in the next life, and be eaten alive by the former disciples who become ants? And this is their idea of sincere preaching? Sheesh! I need to go take my percodans now (like their gurus are doing when they get a permanent migraine)! ys pd
'Disciples go rogue Evening Standard
'Disciples go rogue Evening Standard
ISKCON LSD-GURU BEHEADED BY HIS OWN DISCIPLE.
VD: Thank you for that clarification. Like I said facts cannot be denied. They are being distorted by a small group of devotees in the Iskcon guru business. This is very apparent in North America. India is already split into 6 different cults.
1. Radhanatha group
2. Jayapataka group
3. Basu gosh group
4. Gopal Krishna group
5. Madhu pandit group
6. Bhakti Vikas group
These groups are all alienated from each other with very different philosophical points of view. Russia is being shut down by the government for future preaching from Iskcon people. Bali has banded the Iskcon movement. These are facts not fabrications. There is more information on these matters for release moving forward. This is a fratricidal war.
PADA: All of the GBC managed ISKCON India groups have backed keeping molester Lokanath in the acharya's seat, starting with Basu Ghosh, who works closely with Bhakti Vikas swami. Jayapataka has helped keep Lokanath as a prominent speaker in Mayapur.
VD: Thank you for that clarification. Like I said facts cannot be denied. They are being distorted by a small group of devotees in the Iskcon guru business. This is very apparent in North America. India is already split into 6 different cults.
1. Radhanatha group
2. Jayapataka group
3. Basu gosh group
4. Gopal Krishna group
5. Madhu pandit group
6. Bhakti Vikas group
These groups are all alienated from each other with very different philosophical points of view. Russia is being shut down by the government for future preaching from Iskcon people. Bali has banded the Iskcon movement. These are facts not fabrications. There is more information on these matters for release moving forward. This is a fratricidal war.
PADA: All of the GBC managed ISKCON India groups have backed keeping molester Lokanath in the acharya's seat, starting with Basu Ghosh, who works closely with Bhakti Vikas swami. Jayapataka has helped keep Lokanath as a prominent speaker in Mayapur.
Gopal Krishna is helping get land use permits to bury molesters in samadhis in the dham, and he is working hand in glove with Radhanath. In other words, when it comes to the basic idea, that deviants are or were acharyas, they all agree. They also all agree that piling more karma on Jayapataka is a good idea, never mind he looks like taking karma is making him into a train wreck. Madhu pandit started a free food program in India, and immediately the GBC ISKCON spent $20,000,000 trying to get him placed in jail, so they could shut down the program and starve the millions of kids he is feeding.
Then Jayapataka followers sent me a nasty (threatening?) message, that I have caused Jayapataka to spend $100,000,000 on lawsuits because I helped the molesting lawsuit (they were sued for abusing and starving kids), the BBT lawsuit and I gave documents to help the Bangalore lawsuit.
Wow, they spent $100,000,000 on their starving children program? And that is my fault? No, they starved children and got sued, then they spent $20M to starve more kids. Then they send me nasty messages, blaming the messenger and not the perps. I forgot! This is what Ramesvara calls "sincere preaching." Yes, we sincerely spend $100,000,000 making sure lawyers have nice Mercedes so they can go get their chicken tikkas in style! And that is what they call "preaching"? Preaching what? ys pd
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Saturday, August 27, 2022
Rtiviks in Mexico?
PADA: Thanks for the link prabhu. No I am not sure who these folks are. Yes, it appears that they follow the ritvik idea. If anyone has details send to: angel108b@yahoo.com
ys pd
Friday, August 26, 2022
What Happened to the ISKCON Second Generation?
DD: I would like to put it out there that over the years I have come in contact with many aspiring vaishnavas who, because of when they were born and when they came in contact with the Krishna consciousness movement they never had any personal association with Srila Prabhupada. They never experienced going on a walk with him, having a one-on-one conversation with him, didn't get to exchange letters with him, nor sit in the temple room while, from the vyasa asana, he chanted jaya rādhā-mādhava kuñja-bihārī and then gave the morning class, nor did they receive diksha initiation from him.
And yet despite the fact that they never had any of the above-mentioned experiences and had no personal association whatsoever with Srila Prabhupada, by dint of their sincere and strict adherence to his teachings and instructions, their humble and dedicated service to his mission, their participation in devotional activities such as book distribution and public chanting (Sankirtan) they are more intimately connected with Srila Prabhupada than so many of us (certainly myself included) who did have his personal association.
As siksha disciples of Srila Prabhupada they are pleasing him and receiving his mercy at every moment through the all important vani connection with His Divine Grace.
[PADA: This is very nice. However, some of the "second generation" of devotees were discussing various events with PADA recently on a web call. And they said it looks to them like -- first of all -- the original Prabhupada devotees were purged out of ISKCON. At least they were taken out of posts of authority and / or having any actual say or input into the affairs of the society.
Then, gradually most of the original devotees were pretty much -- gone. So the GBC relied heavily on the second generation of devotees to run things for some time, especially by fund raising samkirtana. However these second generation devotees were also not really given much post of authority and recognition as managers. They too had very little say, sway or input into the affairs of the society. Gradually, the second wave began to ask too many questions -- and so they were sort of purged out gradually.
Then, the GBC went back to "plan B," to get support from the Hindus. And so these devotees were telling me that right now, there are about Zero original Prabhupada devotees and almost Zero second generation left at their temple, and "the Hindus have taken over."
So they were asking, was this the plan all along from 1978? To get rid of the Western preaching and hand ISKCON off to the Hindus, as a sort of permanent Hindu fund raising operation?
Hee hee, who can say? But it is what they did, planned or not. In any case, yes, the second and third -- and many more generations -- can be connected to Srila Prabhupada. And unless that idea is emphasized, the deterioration of ISKCON will continue into a sort of Hindu-ized hodge podge.
We all agreed. ys pd
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Thursday, August 25, 2022
More Complaints About Changed Books
[PADA: More people are waking up to the post-1978 GBC's agenda. And notice, more people are calling them "poisonous rogues." And that -- boys and girls -- is how they will be recorded in history. And they are already recorded that way now for many thousands of folks.
We said that they had a malefic agenda in 1978, and most people thought we had lost our last marble for saying that at the time. However, time has proven -- we were and are correct. We believe that the original books will survive on the basis of "supply and demand." If there is a demand, there will be a supply. So let us increase the demand and the supply will happen automatically. ys pd]
ESD: It is the original edition that Srila Prabhupada approved of and preached from. Other poisonous rogue editions conveniently emerged after he had physically departed. They are to be expected, considering the very fallen nature of the world we live in, and they are bogus.
Claimants assert that he granted them unlimited authority to edit his books ad infinitum, and that there is a document that certifies this. There is no such legitimate document. Any so-called document is forged. There is no way Srila Prabhupada would grant such disastrous freedom to manipulate his books, and the claim that he did so is preposterous.
At one point after being informed of the unauthorized changes being made to his books, he became very angry, and slamming his fist onto the desk he exclaimed, "They are ruining my books!"
The new, “revised” editions are anything but improvements. In the Gita alone the editor has gone grossly beyond the bounds of his authority and has changed 77% of the verses. That is 541 verses out of 700 verses have been illegitimately changed.For 3%, or 21 of the verses, the words were left intact, with only the spelling, punctuation, or capitalization being changed. In 74% or 520 of the verses entire words were removed, rearranged, or changed.
What a terrible thing has been done to Srila Prabhupada’s work. For example, in the purport of 4.34 ("tad viddhi pranipatena...") of the "revised" Gita the "editor" has brazenly inserted an entire sentence of his own!:
"Nor by the independent study of books of knowledge can one make spiritual advancement." Cleverly, this statement brings to mind the innuendo that Srila Prabhupada is not present in his books (dead), and as well serves as a legitimization of the present proliferation of bogus gurus. Aside from this, we do not need so many gurus.
“...a little learning is dangerous, especially for the Westerners. I am practically seeing that as soon as they begin to learn a little Sanskrit, immediately they feel that they have become more than their guru and then the policy is kill guru and be killed himself.” —Srila Prabhupada letter to Dixit das on September 18, 1976.
Wednesday, August 24, 2022
Can the ISKCON GBC Replace Krishna?
August 21, 1985: On this date in history 37 years ago, during an address to his disciples in New York City, Bhavananda Swami Vishnupada, one of the eleven “Divine ISKCON spiritual masters,” confessed that he had “many flaws, inebrieties, [and] material desires.”
"At this [August, New Vrindaban] meeting it was presented to me that someone had testified that I had approached them for sex in Vrindaban in 1980, and I went to Balavanta and Rupanuga and Tamal-Krishna Prabhus and told them, “Yes, that was right. It was true.”
That doesn’t excuse me, but they all see that is one of the main factors and I also see that. So, in light of that, their recommendation to me is that for an indefinite period of time -- I not initiate, and that regarding my GBC activities I should continue as a GBC member with full authority as a GBC man, but I’m on probation which means that I will be watched to see that I reform myself. That was their decision.
I was actually thinking anyway (see how Krishna fulfills your desire) I had been becoming so worn down from excessive traveling and even before I went to New Vrindaban and before this came up. I was seriously meditating on taking some time off anyway from initiating.
Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 6, pp. 41-42.
August 1980: On or around this date in history 42 years ago, the GBC approved a paper written by Satsvarupa, Jagadish, Bhagavan and Jayapataka. One section, titled “The Philosophical Understanding of Discrepancies and Their Rectification,” explained that even uttama-adhikari devotees fall down from time to time and if there are “failures and setbacks” they should be seen instead as “pillars of success.”
Three ISKCON gurus were disciplined by the GBC that year: Jayatirtha, Hamsadutta and Tamal-Krishna. Jayatirtha dasa (James Edward Immel) served as ISKCON zonal guru for Great Britain and South Africa. Among other ways, Jayatirtha tainted his position by secretly consuming LSD, a psychedelic drug strictly off-limits to Vaishnavas. “Jayatirtha had been holding twelve-hour-long kirtan sessions, during which he would laugh, roll on the ground, and cry out incoherently.”
Nandini devi dasi, an Assistant Editor for ISKCON World Review, recalled. “He lectured about the divine love of Radha and Krishna in the spiritual world and told his disciples that he was experiencing devotional ecstasy. Only the GBC knew that his ecstasies were symptoms of a drug-induced psychosis. In Vrindaban and Mayapur during the 1980 GBC meetings he went out of control on heavy doses of LSD. Later he revealed that he had never fully stopped taking the drug, despite having been a devotee for ten years.”
Another ISKCON zonal guru who had become an embarrassment for the movement was Hamsadutta Swami (Hans Kary, aka Jack London), the zonal acharya for Northern California, Oregon, Washington, Shri Lanka, Hong Kong, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and the Philippines. As a guru, Hamsadutta developed a keen interest in guns, women and rock ‘n roll, and eventually went berserk. He was arrested and convicted for shooting up a liquor store and Cadillac dealership showroom in Berkeley, California.
Ravindra-Svarupa recalled some of Hamsadutta’s bad habits while he was an ISKCON guru, “Hamsadutta, he had problems with women, booze and guns; intoxication, with illicit sex and a special fondness for gun collecting.”
A Prabhupada disciple, in a letter to Tamal-Krishna Goswami, remembered, “After his [Prabhupada’s] disappearance, you wasted no time to proclaim yourself as his sole successor-acharya in Bombay. Initially you even had a vyasasana built for yourself in the Juhu Beach Temple and it was bigger than Shrila Prabhupada’s. You also told all of your godbrothers that the only way to approach Shrila Prabhupada was through you alone, since you had become his sole successor.”
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ND: MOST DANGEROUS CUNNING CROOKS DEMONS AND BIGGEST OFFENDERS, DISGUISED IN VAISHNAVA CLOTHES POSING AS LEADERS / TEACHERS / GURUS. THEY WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING (AND HAVE DONE IT IN FACT UP TO QUITE BIG EXTENT ALREADY), THE ORIGINAL BOOKS AS GIVEN BY SHRILA PRABHUPADA AND OTHER GREAT VAISHNAVA ACHARYAS!!!
CONDITIONED SOULS, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY MAY TRY, CAN NEVER EVER BE INCLUDED AS SUCCESSORS, WHO CONTINUE SHRI GURU PARAMPARA. AND THERE ARE BIG GAPS IN THE PARAMPARA, WHICH IS A VERY NORMAL REALITY ... HAPPENED MANY TIMES!!!
Prabhupada: History, it is not a new movement. You have seen this book. You read that book thoroughly. You will get full knowledge. This movement is very, very old and standard. It is never changed. As soon as you change it, then the potency of the movement is lost."
"At this [August, New Vrindaban] meeting it was presented to me that someone had testified that I had approached them for sex in Vrindaban in 1980, and I went to Balavanta and Rupanuga and Tamal-Krishna Prabhus and told them, “Yes, that was right. It was true.”
[PADA: There you have it. The GBC, Rupanuga, Balavanta, Mukunda swami and many others knew that their "shaksad hari tvena" acharyas -- "as good as God" -- are defective, if not lusty dogs. Yet, they continued to support the idea that these GBC folks are good as God "gurus."
Worse, Rupanuga and his ISKCON Justices Department -- or whatever it is called -- self-appointed themselves to be some sort of ad hoc "administrative manager" of their 11 acharyas. Wow. Normally! Krishna manages the acharyas from within the heart as "chaitya guru," but Rupanuga suddenly says -- nope! Rupanuga will kick out Krishna's dictation -- and take over managing the dictation to the acharyas. Who needs Krishna's dictations when we have Rupanuga's?
Yep, Krishna is a fool because He cannot manage His acharyas. Never mind, the Rupanuga guys are here to take over managing / dictation to / acharyas instead of Krishna. Rupanuga still says that his lusty dog-like pals were supposed to be ISKCON's gurus.
He does not know? Lusty dogs are not / were not / God's successors? And that saying lusty dogs are equals to God, is a highly offensive attack -- on God? And Rupanuga is going to annoint his lusty dog pals as messiahs, and then manage them? A dog is as good as -- God?
And why would they say that in the first place, unless they actually believe that a dog and God are "shaksat" equals? Notice -- they knew their shaksat hari -- as good as God -- alleged messiahs -- were falling down almost right away after 1978.
Did we forget to mention, thanks to Rupanuga and his pals making illicit sex into acharyas, there was illicit sex going on full tilt all over the place, including mass child molesting? And they forgot to manage these kinds of problems?
And worse, they were holding their "managing the acharya" meetings in New Vrndavana, where Kirtanananda had been sitting on a big seat -- covered with the hands of many little boys. And a CBS news lady saw this scene and she tells me, this is "pedophile heaven." How can they mistake pedophile heaven for the actual Vaikuntha heaven, unless they are compromised with the Satanic pedophile worship heaven agenda?
And when did Srila Prabhupada say, the acharyas are no longer going to be managed by Krishna, they are now going to be managed by Rupanuga, Mukunda swami and Balavanta etc.? And since the Rupanuga et al. system supported the pedophile acharya's system, why is their system superior to Krishna's system, where only pure devotees are acharyas, and they get dictation from Krishna? And how can their pedophile guru's system be superior to Krishna's?
Where does Srila Prabhupada say that the GBC / Rupanaga etc. are now going to be in charge of managing the acharyas? Even Hansadutta said, how can a highly defective Governing Body dictate -- to the acharyas?]
When all of the presidents and senior men heard, naturally of course, they became concerned. Their feeling was that this is another symptom that there is something wrong with our system, that this is going to go on like: “Ten little, nine little, eight little Indians, seven little, six little, five little Indians,” like that.
[PADA: The whole idea that a defective Governing Body is going to dictate to the acharyas is the wrong system right out of the gate. The idea that Krishna is no longer going to manage the acharyas, but Rupanuga is instead, is foolishness on steroids. How can Rupanuga think he is going to replace Krishna's dictations, with his own?]
So the Privilege Committee of the GBC, which is the body which is assigned to investigate breach of faith situations like this, met yesterday. The Privilege Committee meeting went on for some hours and their final result was that one of the main factors in the fall down of Bhavananda Goswami has been the acharya system that has been set up.
[PADA: Right, Bhavananda never was an acharya, so he was falling down from an already fallen position.]
That doesn’t excuse me, but they all see that is one of the main factors and I also see that. So, in light of that, their recommendation to me is that for an indefinite period of time -- I not initiate, and that regarding my GBC activities I should continue as a GBC member with full authority as a GBC man, but I’m on probation which means that I will be watched to see that I reform myself. That was their decision.
[PADA: Wait? He is falling down into illicit sex, but he should be allowed to continue on as a GBC, where he is propping up the other false acharyas.]
I was actually thinking anyway (see how Krishna fulfills your desire) I had been becoming so worn down from excessive traveling and even before I went to New Vrindaban and before this came up. I was seriously meditating on taking some time off anyway from initiating.
I have over one thousand disciples and they have required -- and I have given to them willingly -- all of my time and life energy and that has required an inordinate amount of traveling and between the traveling and counseling and the responsibility and the karma, it has brought me to a point where I felt that I was on the verge of a total nervous breakdown or exhaustion.
[PADA: Yup. How did you guess, these gurus are as good as Jesus and they are TAKING YOUR SINS / KARMA. They are homosexuals, they are maybe pedophiles, and they are -- as good as Jesus? Which is why! My "karmi" friends ask me, "Are these people spraying PCP on their hash pipes"?]
I have nothing to hide anymore. I’m not a 100% pure devotee at all. I have many, many flaws, inebrieties, material desires. . . . It’s my fault and on another hand it’s not my fault: it’s the system’s fault. Everything was thrust upon us. (End quote)
Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 6, pp. 41-42.
August 1980: On or around this date in history 42 years ago, the GBC approved a paper written by Satsvarupa, Jagadish, Bhagavan and Jayapataka. One section, titled “The Philosophical Understanding of Discrepancies and Their Rectification,” explained that even uttama-adhikari devotees fall down from time to time and if there are “failures and setbacks” they should be seen instead as “pillars of success.”
Three ISKCON gurus were disciplined by the GBC that year: Jayatirtha, Hamsadutta and Tamal-Krishna. Jayatirtha dasa (James Edward Immel) served as ISKCON zonal guru for Great Britain and South Africa. Among other ways, Jayatirtha tainted his position by secretly consuming LSD, a psychedelic drug strictly off-limits to Vaishnavas. “Jayatirtha had been holding twelve-hour-long kirtan sessions, during which he would laugh, roll on the ground, and cry out incoherently.”
Nandini devi dasi, an Assistant Editor for ISKCON World Review, recalled. “He lectured about the divine love of Radha and Krishna in the spiritual world and told his disciples that he was experiencing devotional ecstasy. Only the GBC knew that his ecstasies were symptoms of a drug-induced psychosis. In Vrindaban and Mayapur during the 1980 GBC meetings he went out of control on heavy doses of LSD. Later he revealed that he had never fully stopped taking the drug, despite having been a devotee for ten years.”
Another ISKCON zonal guru who had become an embarrassment for the movement was Hamsadutta Swami (Hans Kary, aka Jack London), the zonal acharya for Northern California, Oregon, Washington, Shri Lanka, Hong Kong, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and the Philippines. As a guru, Hamsadutta developed a keen interest in guns, women and rock ‘n roll, and eventually went berserk. He was arrested and convicted for shooting up a liquor store and Cadillac dealership showroom in Berkeley, California.
Ravindra-Svarupa recalled some of Hamsadutta’s bad habits while he was an ISKCON guru, “Hamsadutta, he had problems with women, booze and guns; intoxication, with illicit sex and a special fondness for gun collecting.”
Another ISKCON guru who was disciplined in 1980 was Tamal-Krishna Goswami, the GBC and initiating guru for Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota, who was remembered for his controversial tactics during his days as leader of the Radha-Damodara traveling sankirtan bus party some years earlier which had caused much consternation for Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Tamal-Krishna was noted for his ambitious nature and forceful, dictatorial personality. He claimed to have become Prabhupada’s sole successor.
A Prabhupada disciple, in a letter to Tamal-Krishna Goswami, remembered, “After his [Prabhupada’s] disappearance, you wasted no time to proclaim yourself as his sole successor-acharya in Bombay. Initially you even had a vyasasana built for yourself in the Juhu Beach Temple and it was bigger than Shrila Prabhupada’s. You also told all of your godbrothers that the only way to approach Shrila Prabhupada was through you alone, since you had become his sole successor.”
“Eleven Naked Emperors,” Chapter 9, “ISKCON Gurus Begin to Deviate."
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ND: MOST DANGEROUS CUNNING CROOKS DEMONS AND BIGGEST OFFENDERS, DISGUISED IN VAISHNAVA CLOTHES POSING AS LEADERS / TEACHERS / GURUS. THEY WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING (AND HAVE DONE IT IN FACT UP TO QUITE BIG EXTENT ALREADY), THE ORIGINAL BOOKS AS GIVEN BY SHRILA PRABHUPADA AND OTHER GREAT VAISHNAVA ACHARYAS!!!
CONDITIONED SOULS, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY MAY TRY, CAN NEVER EVER BE INCLUDED AS SUCCESSORS, WHO CONTINUE SHRI GURU PARAMPARA. AND THERE ARE BIG GAPS IN THE PARAMPARA, WHICH IS A VERY NORMAL REALITY ... HAPPENED MANY TIMES!!!
"As soon as you change it, then the potency of the movement is lost."
Prabhupada: History, it is not a new movement. You have seen this book. You read that book thoroughly. You will get full knowledge. This movement is very, very old and standard. It is never changed. As soon as you change it, then the potency of the movement is lost."
Shrila Prabhupada , Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter), October 8, 1975, Durban
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