Wednesday, October 31, 2018



The Appearance Anniversary of Radha- kunda, the bathing pond of Srimati Radharani in Vrndavana. Devotees bathe there especially on midnight of this day.

"After the killing of Aristasura, Srimati Radhika and Her sakhis exchanged many joking words with Sri Krsna concerning the necessary atonement for one who has committed the offence of killing a bull. As a result, the Queen of Vrindavana, Srimati Radhika, and Her sakhis joyfully excavated and filled Sri Radha-kunda with their own hands. May that immensely fragrant Radha-kunda be my shelter.

"In the land of the hearts of those who bathe in Radha-kunda, a desire tree of the superlative prema, which is not attainable even for Krsna's principal queens in Dvaraka, will arise. May that supremely charming Radha-kunda be my shelter.

"For the pleasure of Srimati Radhika, even Sri Krsna Himself, yearning to attain Her merciful sidelong glance, regularly bathes in Radha-kunda, carefully observing all the appropriate rituals. May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda be my shelter.
"May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda, which the moon of Vraja, Sri Krsna, loves as much as He loves the crown-jewel amongst the sweet girls of Vraja, Srimati Radhika, and which He has made known by the name of Radhika Herself, be my shelter.

"The mercy obtained by serving Radha-kunda makes the desire-creeper of prema for the prince of Vraja sprout and is celebrated for bearing the flower of service to my svamini Srimati Radhika. May that supremely charming Radha-kunda be my shelter.

"Gloriously manifest on the banks of Radha-kunda are eight kunjas named after Radhika's principal sakhis. Acting as stimuli for the amorous pastimes of the Divine Couple, these kunjas are filled with the sweet humming of bumblebees and are desired by everyone. May that supremely enchanting Radha-kunda be the shelter of my life.

"Situated on an exquisite dais on the bank of Radha-kunda and accompanied by Her beloved sakhis, our svamini Srimati Radhika charmingly engages in sweet, joking words with Sri Krsna, the moon of Vraja. These playful verbal exchanges are enhanced by the suggestion of so many innuendoes. May that Radha-kunda be the shelter of my life.

"May that very charming and especially fragrant Radha-kunda, where intoxicated with love the Divine Couple and the sakhis daily sport with great joy in the water so fragrant with exquisite lotus flowers, be the sole shelter of my life.

"To that devotee who, in a resolute mood of aspiring to serve Srimati Radhika, reads this charming prayer describing Sri Radha-kunda, even in their present body Sri Krsna will quickly grant them darsana of not only His beloved Radhika, but also of Their many variegated amorous pastimes. Witnessing these pastimes and envisioning himself serving Yugala-kisora in various ways, such a devotee will feel immense jubilation. This astaka is recited in the poetic meter known as 'Malini'."

By Srimad Raghunatha dasa Gosvami

Decay in Christianity (Similar to ISKCON's decay?)

Krishna Wants Our Service (Srila Prabhupada video)

Vaishnava Calendar November 2018

Departure of Vamanajana Dasa

[PADA: As per usual bogus ISKCON GBC policy, there is a lack of funds to care for the Vaishnavas, but always millions of dollars on hand for their bogus lawsuits. ys pd]

Dear Vaishnava community, Please except the obeisances from the Langsford family. All Glories to Srila Prabhupad. 

We are sad to share the departure of our dear Godbrother Vamanajana prabhu, initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad. Vamanajana prabhu left his body on October 18, 2018 @ 11:16 A.M. He leaves his beautiful family, wife Navina devi dasi, daughters, Kalindi, Citralekha, Lilamrta and Sarasvati, and sons, Kama and Janardhana. He also leaves behind 8 dear grandchildren.

Vamanajana Dasa join ISKCON in 1972 and was initiated by Srila Prabhupada on December 10, 1973 at New Dwarka Temple in Los Angeles. He worked for Spiritual Sky Incense in the early 1970's, he was Srila Prabhupada's body guard during his visits to Los Angeles, and he was also very involved in the Fate Museum and was a master molder. Vamanajana and Navina started the first devotional market, The Surabhi Store, servicing the devotees in Los Angeles and giving them their first taste of Vamanajana and Navina's famous prasadam.

Later Vamanajana, Navina and family became very involved at the Laguna Beach Temple, sponsoring and cooking the Sunday Feast for many many years, before opening their own restaurant, Gopala's Restaurant, in Santa Cruz, California.

After retiring Gopala's Restaurant Vamanajana and Navina moved back to their original starting place, New Dwarka Dhama, in Los Angeles, where he became the head chef of Govinda's Restaurant from 1998 to 2006 and Navina was very involved in the diety worship and services.

Vamanajana suffered a massive stroke on December 27, 2007, which incapacitated him and prevented him from furthering his devotional services and cooking for the devotees, which was where he was the most happy.

Vamanajana and Navina were also very involved in the annual Prabhupada Festival in Los Angeles, and every Ratha Yatra he and his son Janardana could always be found steering Lady Subhadra's cart down the Venice boardwalk.

Services will be held in Palm Desert, California, near the family residences. A feast in his honor will be held at New Dwarka Temple in Los Angeles, California. Details to follow.

If you would like to send condolences or contributions towards the services you may do so here on Go Fund Me or you may send them directly to his wife, Navina Dasi (Emily Nelson) at 43403 Callaway Court, Unit B, Palm Desert, CA 92260.

Tuesday, October 30, 2018

Kusakratha prabhu's Books Online

24,000 Police to Secure Sabarimala Pilgrimage Route

[PADA: Wow, that's like an army. Some of the locals are saying that women should still not be allowed into the temple and so they are protesting, but the court says they should be allowed. Meanwhile, Kerala is still facing major infrastructure problems due to recent flooding, and many other people are complaining that funding the giant police effort is taking away funds and resources to rebuild. Its a mess. What amazes us is how so many people will gather to protest in India over all sorts of things, but they never seem to protest the GBC's illicit sex acharya's process? Baffling. ys pd]  

Meat Consumption is Ruining the Environment

Srita Kamala - Krishna Premi Dasi (Video)

Monday, October 29, 2018

ISKCON Wants to Kill Me (BLISS / Ramachandra das)

PADA: The GBC's folks are still harassing some Prabhupadanugas, this time a GBC goonda attacked one of the BLISS' folks, Ramachandra das. Sounded like a really bad encounter. 

The bad news is, there are still some GBC's goondas out there. 

The good news is, they are a dying breed because not that many people want to defend these GBC's guys anymore. And a friend of mine who visits some GBC's temples says they are filling up these places more and more with salaried Hindus, who are there mainly for the money and so they are not really GBC guru fanatics. These people aren't really that much dedicated to the GBC's guru process, and as such they are not as dangerous as the first wave, many of whom really were fanatics.

The overall upshot is, now Ramachandra prabhu is more convinced than ever that the GBC's sabha is, as we said all along, a goonda operation. I think this event also helped him realize the poison issue more solidly because, if they would poison their guru, they would want to kill his followers. So that also means, he gets the PADA medal of honor award. If they want to eliminate him, he must be doing something right. 

We hope that he will be safe, and that the police will assist him in the event these threats are going to continue. I hope he gets some other devotees to help him by validating his story with the police. In any event, if the GBC folks have to resort to goonda tactics, they are losing their argument. Even Krishna does not use violent force on us to make us submit, He gives us "free will" and allows us to choose to serve -- or not. Forcing people into serving just does not work, even for Krishna. 

Another devotee from former Soviet Union wrote to tell me the GBC's folks are giving him a severe migraine headache, because they argue with him that he needs to worship one of the GBC's gurus, because he cannot simply accept Srila Prabhupada as his guru. And they are very aggressive with him, but at least they are not threatening physical violence on him. Of course, if he has a migraine, its a sort of de facto physical effect nonetheless.

So I told him, you mean we have to worship the GBC's illicit sex guru program -- and not worship Srila Prabhupada? And that will take us to Krishna? No wonder this poor guy is suffering a severe migraine. So this is really another form of attacking some poor vaishnavas. 

And guess what, he is waking up too. 

So it seems like these aggressive techniques are back firing on the aggressors. Anyway it is sad that some of their people still think their goonda process will win them converts, it won't. Rather it will backfire, and win us converts, and it is. ys pd                

What If We Die and Return to Earth? (NY Times)

Sunday, October 28, 2018

Jayapataka folks vs PADA: A very wonky discussion

PADA: Its odd, many GBC's folks think all the banning, beating, molesting, murders, police raids, lawsuits, bankrupting of ISKCON, empty ghost town temples, terrible publicity -- and all the rest of the mess created by their regime -- is some sort of divine leela. They are ignorant, that's all. 

These people are very aggressive when it comes to defending their false messiah's program. Now they are burying sexual predators and porno swamis in the holy dham, thus some residents of Vrndavana have been asking me about that topic. I said yes, they have been worshiping sexual predators as acharyas and anyone who objects can be treated badly, or even killed, that is who they are. And these resident people thanked me for helping them figure this out. 

As for the idea that gurus need "reform" (Rocana's 1986 "guru reform" movement), sorry, gurus do not need reform and rectification. That is called the mad elephant offense or guru avajna aparadha, to say that gurus are ordinary men (those who need rectification). Gurushu narah matih, narakah sah, anyone who says gurus are ordinary men (who need rectification) are residents of naraka.

AD: You are being offensive. There can always be rectification. Srila Prabhupada forgave sanyasi fall down. You underestimate the mercy of Gaura Nitai.

PADA: They are saying they are gurus in Krishna's guru parampara, not merely aspiring sannyasas? And Srila Prabhupada said suspend sannyasa, but then they made maybe 100 more? Sannyasa is still a conditioned soul, he can fail. To telescope that potentially failing position with parampara and guru is a deviation.

"One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell." SB 4.21.12, Purport

One who thinks the guru is ordinary is a resident of hell, its that simple, we 

have to follow the shastra. ys pd

AD: It's a purification process. What does Krishna say in Bhagavad Gita? Have you forgotten that verse? To be considered saintly if fixed in their determination

PADA: Yes an ordinary neophyte needs purification, not the guru? They are saying they are diksha gurus in the parampara, not kanisthas or neophytes?

AD: Everyone needs purification, it's the material world. Unless nitya siddha.

PADA: Gurus in Krishna's guru parampara are laymen or ordinary men who need purification? If a person is conditioned, he needs purification. However if he declares he is a parampara guru, then he needs to be fully pure first of all, not after the fact.

"One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell." SB 4.21.12, Purport

AD: Srila Prabhupada said even if not perfect, if following perfectly, they can be Guru. This means they are still being purified. Even Bharat Maharaj fell down.

PADA: Bharat Maharaja is not an acharya? Srila Prabhupada said that we cannot allow neophytes to pose as gurus like the Gaudiya Matha did? Srila Prabhupada says Bharat Maharaja was not consulting a bona fide guru, that is what lead to his failure.

AD: There you you are calling a Guru a resident of hell. Another way to look at it.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada said -- none of you can be diksha gurus (and absorb the sins of others) and if you do you will have to suffer, and they are suffering. The GBC says gurus are not just ordinary, they say gurus fall into illicit sex with men, women and children, i.e. gurus are commonly severe deviants.

AD: This is cruel mindset..not Srila Prabhupada's mood

PADA: Srila Prabhupada is cruel when he says neophytes will suffer if they become diksha gurus?

AD: Then they forfeit their position ... but they can still be forgiven. They are already suffering, they don't need your condemnation

PADA: And they are suffering from offenses and taking sins, just as Srila Prabhupada said they would. Srila Prabhupada says when a neophyte takes sins he will get sick, fall down or both, and a number of them died early. That means Srila Prabhupada is correct, they will suffer. Why is that cruel to say that? Its a fact, and we see it daily. A neophyte cannot even absorb his own sins, nevermind take the sins of others?

AD: I would not pose yourself as judge. We should work on mending our own defects. We don't know God's plan or who these individuals are.

PADA: Shasta is the judge? Anyone who says guru is like an ordinary man is -- a resident of narakah? I did not write the shastra? How can people mend their defects if they worship the defective? And why were we banned for citing shastra?

AD: I'm not debating that, you are condemning great souls. Rectification is always available for sincere Devotees.

PADA: Gurus in the parampara are deviating and need rectification? Rectification means they have to quit saying they are gurus, or that gurus are ordinary men? We cannot rectify being a drunk by buying a bottle of Vodka, we have to change the offense and stop doing it.

AD: I'm not, you're saying that. Do you know who Hiranyakasipu was? Gatekeeper of Vaikuntha

PADA: The gate keepers are not acharyas, nor are they saying acharyas are often deviants? Srila Prabhupada says, we cannot say guru is an ordinary man, its also called the mad elephant offense or guru avajna. And as long as people are being offensive, and they are not accepting Srila Prabhupada's statements, they cannot be rectified. Srila Prabhupada says, its guru avajna, its the mad elephant offense to say guru is ordinary, therefore -- it is.

AD: You are using sastra to judge the hearts of others. It's not your place.

PADA: But the GBC's say gurus fall down, its in their GBC reports?

AD: Guru is certainly not ordinary man.

PADA: Then you are arguing with yourself? You cannot say that acharyas are not ordinary men, while the GBC reports say guru is deviating and being monitored for said deviations, and also being suspended, removed, excommunicated and so on? I am quoting them? Only an ordinary man is in need of being chastised for deviating, not guru?

AD: Yes, because it's a dangerous environment. Krishna sees beyond externals.

PADA: And that is why so many of them fell down, got sick and died, they were told not to take sins and they did anyway, so they are being punished by Krishna. Correct.

AD: The diksha Gurus in ISKCON are warriors. Yes, they suffer. They link devotees to Srila Prabhupada and Parampara.

PADA: You just said that the parampara is not ordinary, at the same time its dangerous because they may fall down. If they are in danger of falling, they are not liberated beings.

If the spiritual master is considered an ordinary man, the disciple surely loses his chance to advance further.

SB 5.12.14, Purport: If one always follows the orders of the spiritual master, there is no question of falling down. As soon as a foolish disciple tries to overtake his spiritual master and becomes ambitious to occupy his post, he immediately falls down. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto 'pi. 

If the spiritual master is considered an ordinary man, the disciple surely loses his chance to advance further. Despite a very rigid life in devotional service, Bharata Mahārāja did not consult a spiritual master when he became overly attached to a deer. Consequently he became strongly attached to the deer, and, forgetting his spiritual routine, he fell down.

The spiritual master is the direct representative of the Lord, and no one should consider him an ordinary human being.

AD: Some shouldn't have become Gurus, that is certain. God has a plan.

PADA: Yes, God's plan is that their false gurus are getting sick, falling down and dying from being offensive / taking sins. They are warriors for the wrong side, they are saying neophytes can absorb sins, when Srila Prabhupada says they cannot. They are fighting with the orders of the acharya. God's plan is working well, they are getting sick, falling down and dying, God is clearing up their mess.

And they were also sued for $400,000,000 for orchestrating child abuse. And the courts ruled for the victims. So yes, God is helping expose what their program really is: They worship sexual predators as their gurus -- and therefore they created a society of webs and nests of sexual predators. 

And so God helped expose and sue that program. So God is exposing them, and bankrupting them. Yes, that is God's work, that is God's plan, yes you are correct. It is God's plan to have them sued and bankrupted and exposed as deviants. And now more of them are falling down, getting sick and dying, that is all God's arrangement.

If God says -- you neophytes cannot absorb sins or you will suffer, then that means, do not take sins -- or you will suffer. That is God's law, not mine.

AD: That is blasphemous. That is incorrect understanding. These souls are NOT neophyte. They are exalted beyond measure. You are neophyte for criticizing great souls.

PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada told ALL of us (includes Jayapataka) that you are ALL neophytes, you cannot allow people to even touch your feet at the pandal programs, because you will be taking karma and that will make you get sick, fall down or both. He also said that we neophytes cannot be diksha gurus, we will take sins and that will make us get sick, fall down or both and so forth. So among the 100 some gurus they made, most of them got sick, fell down or died? 

Why do you keep saying Srila Prabhupada made a mistake when he said ALL of you are not qualified to take sins? Now you are attacking Prabhupada's statements? And since the JPS guru program contains illicit sex with men, women and children, according to their own documents, that is called gurusuh narah matih .. narakah sah, saying guru is ordinary. Worse than ordinary.

That is not only an offense, Srila Prabhupada said the people saying that are residents of narakah ALREADY. He said they do not have to go to narakah, they are ALREADY there when they say gurus are ordinary and falling. And when I said there is a bogus guru program and even child molesting problem in 1979, JPS kicked me out of ISKCON and he kept the molester program in. What kind of great souls kick out the protest of child molesting and they keep the molesting program? 

JPS had to plead "no contest" in court. Great souls are protecting mass child abuse? Even bona fide kanistha neophytes do not protect child molesting guru projects? Meanwhile, you forgot to tell me what kind of guru parampara contains illicit sex with men, women and children -- from shastra? Where is this parampara mentioned in shastra, or is this not -- the quality of the demons and not the parampara? Your guru does not even know that illicit sex with men, women and children is not part of the guru parampara from Krishna? What guru is that? ys pd

AD: You're in an alternative reality. Jayapataka Maharaj is an associate of Lord Chaitanya. Did you forget Srila Prabhupada said that? Anyone can skew the truth to for their propaganda. No one who is a sincere devotee in ISKCON supports abuse, deviants or criminals.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada also said Jayatirtha is my tirtha. So that means, I should offer LSD and hash hish to the shalagram? Srila Prabhupada said encouraging things, fine. He also said that people who make illicit sex guru programs are going to hell. 

ISKCON "gurus": Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada…

AD: Focus on your devotion, not on fault finding campaign and smearing the image of the Glorious ISKCON society. Deviation comes to a head and is exposed. The Lord is the judge and punisher.

PADA: Well yes hee hee, the bogus appointment issue, the changed books issue, the molesting issue, the criminality issue, and of course the poison issue (and many other deviations) all came to a head and surfaced, because Krishna's devotees exposed and promoted these issues. The Lord also works by using His jeevas to do things for Him. And the Lord judged -- the GBC program is wrong, and thus most people agree with us on these deviations.

The Lord says, ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān nāva-manyeta karhicit: one should not treat the spiritual master as an ordinary human being, for he is the substitute for the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

SB 4.20.13, Purport: The word baddha-sauhṛdāḥ in the previous verse is explained herewith. One can fully remain in intimate connection with the Supreme Lord directly or receive orders from His bona fide representative the spiritual master and execute the orders sincerely when one keeps aloof from the activities of the body. The Lord helps us by giving us directions how to act in devotional service and thus advance on the path back home, back to Godhead. He instructs us outwardly in the form of the spiritual master. 

Therefore, one should not accept the spiritual master as an ordinary human being. The Lord says, ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān nāva-manyeta karhicit: one should not treat the spiritual master as an ordinary human being, for he is the substitute for the Supreme Personality of Godhead (SB 11.17.27). One should treat the spiritual master as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and never be envious of him or consider him to be an ordinary human being. If we follow the instruction of the spiritual master and execute devotional service to the Lord, we will remain always free from the contamination of bodily and material activities, and our life will be successful.

AD: Although Jayapataka Maharaja's character is spotless, here's a nice quote to remember. WE ARE NOT THE ULTIMATE JUDGE. We should certainly not criticize someone who has dedicated their life to Srila Prabhupada, even if there are perceivable spots. Sometimes there are imposters, that's a different thing and they are exposed in time. 

"The meaning is that even if one fully engaged in the devotional service of the Lord is sometimes found engaged in abominable activities, these activities should be considered to be like the spots that resemble the mark of a rabbit on the moon. Such spots do not become an impediment to the diffusion of moonlight. Similarly, the accidental fall down of a devotee from the path of saintly character does not make him abominable."

PADA: OK but when we said there is a deviant guru issue, an abuse issue etc., JPS kicked us out. That is not an accidental fall down, that is his intent -- to check us from protesting. Besides, Krishna judged all of the original 11 gurus already. Every single one of them either got sick, fell down or died? 

Jayapataka crammed Jayatirtha into the guru seat, and JT was having illicit sex with the wife of a follower -- and his head was then chopped off. Kirtanananda, Satsvarupa, Harikesha, Bhagavan and others got sick, fell down and so forth. So that means Krishna judged them already. Srila Prabhupada said if you neophytes take sins you will get sick, fall down, and as we see many of them died. 

There have always been deviants in the material world saying that gurus in Krishna's guru parampara are acting abominably. And shastra says -- those people have to stay in the material world for endless kalpas. They cannot be liberated by attacking Krishna and His guru parampara as abominable. And that is why they came to the material world in the first place, they thought Krishna and His parampara are acting abominably. That means, they have learned nothing in all these kalpas of being here already. 

They still have the same root disease that brought them here from square one. And that is why Srila Prabhupada 's shastra says, anyone who says Krishna's saksat hari tvena guru parampara is acting abominable, has to go to naraka, they cannot become liberated. Yes, its all part of the battle of the demons and the demigods going on since time began, the demigods worship the parampara, the demons declare the parampara as acting abominable, this is always going on. ys pd

Friday, October 26, 2018

Special Guest at Sunnyvale Temple California

[PADA: Some folks have been telling PADA that the Bangalore devotees are preaching that the GBC's guru parampara is also bona fide. Honest? I am not aware of anyone in their program who is accepting that? Meanwhile various Bangalore program people are actively using PADA's links on their web sites, and some of them made videos about the issues in line with what we have established. And some of their affiliates have asked me about these issues -- and so on and so forth.

In fact some PADA web site links are apparently linked to over 200 other sites, so it seems that using our links would mean -- they are not with the GBC's process? Our blog is also linked to a number of sites, and we know some of the Bangalore people read our sites because they add info from time to time.

That being said, it does not make a lot of sense that the people who largely accept PADA's issues as valid, would simultaneously assume that the perps in the GBC's process would also be bona fide? Makes no sense to us? As far as we can see, their programs promote Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, and no one else. We really do not see any books from the GBC's gurus in their centers, GBC's lecturing in their temples, and so forth. 

Now awhile back a member of the HKC Jaipur defense team gave me a lot of flack saying that Bangalore folks are distributing changed books, and they and their Singapore allied people never do that. Except, someone sent me a photo of the Singapore guys at a book table with changed books, and a former member of their program says they have used them. 

OK, so that means, someone is not being entirely truthful here. Our idea is, any program is going to have some faults, and that was true even when Srila Prabhupada was here and ISKCON was a bit like a barely controlled circus. So we'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt -- if they are overall trying to promote Srila Prabhupada. Maybe there is a good reason for Singapore not being able to get original books, who knows. 

So before we say Bangalore is on board with the GBC's process, first of all, explain to us why a number of their folks seem to be accepting the PADA version and not the GBC's version, and why a number of their affiliates ask us good questions and -- accept our replies as the valid side of the story? In any case, we feel they are doing the job better than most. If their program is faulty, ok fine, you are free to do the correct program, lets see how that works out. ys pd      

Sunnyvale CA

Sri Krishna Saradiya Rasayatra (Video)

India Government Bans 857 Porn Sites

[PADA: Begs the question, why is porn so popular in places like India in the first place? Yep, 857 sites is a drop in the bucket, because there are so many other such sites. Lots of people will find a technical work around / alternate no doubt. Its a good effort, but the real issue is, why is India such a large consumer of this media? Yep, as Srila Prabhupada says, Krishna consciousness is slipping in India and Westernized / contaminated consciousness / is overtaking their society. 

In ISKCON we have even had the porno swami problem, and after the GBC discovered that problem, they decided to bury their porno swami in a samadhi in Vrndavana. And some of their top people glorified porno swami as a resident of Krishna loka. Really? That means ISKCON is also falling off the standard of traditional India culture. In any event, unless we become pure in consciousness, we have to stay in the material world, that is the bottom line. ys pd] 

Thursday, October 25, 2018

Rocana's Sampradaya Acharya pt.9: The shiksha process

Sampradaya Acarya, Part Nine


Oct 23, 2018 — CANADA (SUN) —

The Siksa Conclusion

The abbreviated definition of "initiation" is the admission of a neophyte disciple into the unadulterated philosophical and transcendental mysteries handed down by a succession of past Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya Acaryas. As Srila Prabhupada stated:

"Well initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge... knowledge. Initiation is formality. Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and admission is formality. That is not very important thing."

Srila Prabhupada Press Interview, 10-16-76, Chandigarh

The past Acaryas have established the principle that a sincere candidate can be connected to the Sampradaya via the advanced siksa guru. In fact, one of the distinguishing common features of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and Srila Prabhupada is that both emphasized and reinforced the concept and principle of siksa guru being as important as diksa.

[PADA: Yes. Diksha technically means (di) spiritual knowledge (divyam jnanam), which absolves sins (ksha). I am not sure why Rocana keeps saying that Srila Prabhupada's books are no longer giving that benediction? There is no longer any source of divyam jnanam which destroys sins aka diksha? Then that is saying, the books have no potency?  

And, its the so-called ritviks who have been saying ALL ALONG that all of us neophytes are minor league and are thus -- at best -- SHIKSHA gurus. Now all of a sudden -- Rocana steals our theme, he says what we said starting in 1978, we neophytes are shiksha and not diksha devotees? When Rocana was saying conditioned souls are diksha gurus, we were saying no, at best they are shiksha (teachers) and not sin absorbing messiahs. This is good news, he is in part stealing from us to make his idea work. Its progress. The ISKCON GBC is doing a similar thing, well we are agents (shiksha) -- sort of ritvik de facto.

And yet the remaining problem is, Rocana's followers keep telling us the same thing, there is no diksha aka "divyam jnanam which destroys sins" going on anymore. Where did Srila Prabhupada say that his books would all of a sudden be devoid of divyam jnanam which destroys sins? Notice that Srila Prabhupada says the main element is knowledge, divyam jnanam. That is the key to the process, not the formal ceremony. So its the divyam jnanam that is the essence of the Krishna religion. And a by product of that knowledge is that it eradicates sins. OK that is called diksha.  

And if the process of "divyam jnanam destroying sins" is now null and void, how will people be saved? Rocana never tells us? He just keeps saying that the process of giving "divyam jnanam which destroys sins" is -- no longer valid. What about all of our people who are advancing by getting the divyam jnanam which is destroying their sins? Or is Rocana saying that people who are absorbing in Krishna are not having their sins erased? Or what? He never tells us? 

Worse, as soon as we say there should be "a system" of shiksha devotees aka preachers and / or ritviks, then Rocana says that too is not valid? The neophytes have to act as shiksha gurus, or vartma pradarsaka devotees (those who point the way), or priests -- and they can then guide other people to take shelter of the pure devotee. Rocana says, we cannot have such a system because that would be mundane religion. How are we going to preach if we are not telling people Srila Prabhupada is the source of their divyam jnanam? 

And, Srila Prabhupada himself appointed people to act as priests, and to conduct poojas and initiations and so on, the whole time he was here? When did he say this system should stop? And if there is no systematic organization, how will all the divergent people and centers keep a unified standard?]

"Thakura Bhaktivinoda was not official Spiritual Master of Gaura Kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja. Gaura Kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja was already renounced order, Paramahamsa, but Thakura Bhaktivinoda, while He was even playing the part of a householder, was treated by Gaura Kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja as Preceptor, on account of His highly elevated spiritual understanding, and thus He was always treating Him as His Spiritual Master. The Spiritual Master is divided into two parts; namely, siksa guru and diksa guru. So officially Bhaktivinoda Thakura was like siksa guru of Gaura Kisora das Babaji Maharaja."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dayananda, 05-01-69:

Over 100 years ago, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura challenged the religionists of his day, which he identified as Caste Goswamis, Smarta Brahmins, mundane intellectuals, western scholars, and even those purporting to be in direct disciplic succession to associates of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura introduced the relevance, significance and importance of the siksa guru as a bonafide initiator into our Sampradaya. His own brother, Lalita prasad, sided with the representatives of traditional diksa lines that traced their linage clear back to the Caitanya Lila. These "Goswami lineage" successions claimed that initiation through them was the only possible way to link to Lord Caitanya's Sampradaya. 

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati dismissed this self-serving concept, stating that regardless of one's spiritual genealogy, the prerequisite qualifications for successfully linking up to the Sampradaya are achieved wholly and solely upon the genuine advancement in Krsna consciousness by contacting a genuine Sampradaya Acarya. As such, he included Jagannatha dasa Babaji and Gaura Kisora das Babaji as qualified members of the Sampradaya, and he excluded all the established diksa lines who traced themselves back to the Caitanya Mahaprabhu lila period.

Creating a worldwide network of siksa gurus helps to prevent the transgression away from the Sampradaya Acarya's transcendental spiritual movement into another world religion. This doesn't just apply to western style over-institutionalization, but also to reverting back to the traditional diksa linage. In Kali Yuga, diksa guru ashrams are essentially an Indian cultural format for decentralized religiosity.

[PADA: Yet as soon as we say lets make a worldwide network of shiksha gurus, aka preachers or ritviks, Rocana says that too is bogus? He says that we must make a network of shiksha devotees aka ritviks, then he says, that too is a bogus process? So it appears that he wants anarchy, there will be no organized anything? 

How can the shiksha system be developed if its not in some formalized religion? And isn't ISKCON supposed to be a formalized institution with a common Governing Body, and agreed upon rules, laws, aims, objects -- and a common system of certain accepted books, authorized pooja, worship and so forth? How can all this be organized without "institutional" programs?]

The current ISKCON has experimented with merging and mixing the traditional independent diksa gurus within the western religious institutional model. In all honesty, it has proven to be a failed attempt even if the goal was the creation of a worldwide religion. The more traditional diksa guru formats, like those existing within the Gaudiya Matha community, are nothing more than Vedic mini-mathas with diksa lineage religious format. 

The telltale symptoms of religiosity are found in both settings. The most serious and obvious sign is the predominant de-emphasis on the unalloyed purity, power, and teachings of the true Sampradaya Acarya, and the transference of focus to imperfect via-medias (matha acarya or GBC).

[PADA: Which is what Rocana does all the time? He keeps saying Srila Prabhupada's books have no potency to give the divyam jnanam which destroys sins aka diksha. He is minimizing the potency of the acharya.]

Individually, we all now stand at the crossroads of Vaisnava history. 

[PADA: Yes, do we agree with either the GBC and Rocana, that Srila Prabhupada's books are no longer giving divyam jnanam which destroys sins, or not? And if Srila Prabhupada is no longer the source of the divyam jnanam which destroys sins (aka diksha), then who else is?]

The Sampradaya Acaryas' spiritual movements have all been diverted down the slippery slope towards organized religion. The litany of persuasive arguments woven together with sastric sophistry, institutional rationalizations, and relationship psychology has replaced pure siddhanta. The underlying motivation of the leadership is to eclipse and/or minimize the Sampradaya Acarya, replacing him with a less-than perfect personality or oligarchy such as the GBC. Some well-known examples of the under-valuation of the Sampradaya Acarya are:

the GBC decree that only their approved representatives are via media to Srila Prabhupada;

the proposal that B.V. Narayana Maharaj is the next Sampradaya Acarya;

Rtvik-ism, with approved priests performing post-samadhi proxy diksa; and

[PADA: There is no post samadhi diksha mentioned by Srila Prabhupada anywhere? He says his books will continue to act, and they will give the divyam jnanam which destroys sins aka diksha in perpetuity. He never said that the books will not do that after he physically departs. Everyone who is not a diksha guru is a proxy for the diksha guru. 

And if we are not proxies, what are we? 

Rocana never tells us? He simply says we are not proxies, really? The proxies also do not perform post samadhi diksha, that diksha is STILL coming from the lectures and books, while the neophytes / priests simply formalize the connection with a ceremony to indicate that an aspiring devotee is formally entering the religion. The main divyam jnanam still comes from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. And then the people who are formally accepted can perform temple functions like poojaris and so on. How else can we certify people for these functions? Rocana never tells us?] 

changing the Sampradaya Acarya's transcendental literatures under the guise of improving them.

I'm sure we could all add many more illustrations to this devolution.

Anyone aligning themselves with today's ISKCON, Gaudiya Matha or Rtvik groups are inadvertently contributing to an unwanted transformation from spirituality to religiosity. In a religious setting, our spiritual advancement stagnates due to the institutional restrictions placed on inquisitive philosophical spirituality. The current guru-tattva positions deceive us into thinking the diksa / acarya, organizational elite or the Rtvik group-think have some measure of exclusive control over the transcendental knowledge offered by the Sampradaya Acaryas. 

[PADA: Yet Rocan says what the GBC says, the acharyas are post - samadhi, posthumous and postmortem, and thus we need to find a living guide (like the GBC or Rocana) to give us the real process. Where does Srila Prabhupada say the acharyas are post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem? We never find him using these terms?] 

The Absolute Truth clearly states that no living entity or worldly institution can claim to have controlling power over the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If the Caitya guru / Lord of the Heart chooses to benedict the sincere seeker with admission to the secrets of the Sampradaya, there is no restriction -- not even by protocol such as "only through diksa initiation".

[PADA: Divyam jnanam which destroys sins (aka diksha) -- is the process?]

Granted, under ideal circumstances such as those found in ancient Vedic culture, it is preferable to follow the prescribed sequence of events: when the diksa guru departs, his disciples begin to initiate. In that age, however, highly qualified diksa gurus were abundant. For us, the reality of spreading Krsna consciousness worldwide requires practical arrangements other than the traditional formula, which cannot facilitate this phenomenon today. 

Srila Prabhupada's initiation program, for example, was far from traditional. The current Sampradaya Acarya advocated the proliferation of the Sampradaya teachings by massive book distribution throughout the planet. Those who are impacted by books authored by the bonafide representative of the Sampradaya may come to the temples, ashrams, and even the Internet for association. This is the merciful, far-reaching, visionary spirit of the Sampradaya Acarya, which cannot be compared to the restrictive, artificial barriers imposed by the institution or the religionists.

[PADA: Lets sum things up here. Rocana is against any organized formal program of anything, especially of spreading the religion, which he says is mundane religion. Except, Srila Prabhupada wanted a formal institution called ISKCON? 

And if the people independent from ISKCON have no formal structure, then how will they: 

*** Make temples? 

*** Make varnasrama / farms?

*** Certify temple poojaris?

*** Print books in an organized manner?

*** Decide who gets gayatri mantras and so on? 

*** Hold big festivals where people from the smaller centers can once in awhile participate in a regional, national or international programs -- all of which was wanted by Srila Prabhupada?

*** Worse, if the bogus ISKCON institution is illegally changing the books, kicking people out, or allowing crimes including -- say for example -- child molesting, how can that be countered legally unless there is some formal counter organization that can put together a proper legal resistance? Who else can challenge these things (such as changed books etc.) unless they have some formal structure that can launch a large scale fight over the important issues of preserving the things Srila Prabhupada wanted?; or taking down the things that misrepresent what he wanted?

It appears that there has been an effort to dismantle any formal organized counter structure to the bogus GBC. That leaves us with unchecked changed books, unchecked bogus preaching, and the legal take over of the name and assets of ISKCON, including the the buildings, the residents, the BBT and so on, with no solid counter check, which needs to be an organized counterpoint. 

Failing that, we have allowed the ISKCON society to deteriorate dramatically to the point they are changing the books, emptying and selling buildings, burying deviants in the holy dham, and declaring that acharyas are often deviants, criminals, sexual predators and molesters. That is the end result of breaking down any effort at making a counter structure. The good news is, at least Rocana is finally agreeing, we neophytes are shiksha devotees, that means he is finally realizing bhakta Joe Bob is not a diksha guru like Jesus. Its progress. ys pd   

Wednesday, October 24, 2018

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Pleasing Lord Damodara (from Bangalore)

Murari Gupta's Disappearance Day 10/24/18

Murari Gupta's deities of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu

Sri Murari Gupta Tirobhava tithi [disappearance day]

Wednesday, October 24, 2018 [Mayapura, West Bengal, Bharata Bhumi]

compiled by Yasoda nandana dasa

Srila Prabhupada explains the glories of Sri Murari Gupta

advaita ācārya, nityānanda, śrīnivāsa
gadādhara, dāmodara, murāri, haridāsa
āra yata caitanya-kṛṣṇera bhakta-gaṇa
bhakti-bhāve śire dhari sabāra caraṇa


advaita ācārya—Advaita Ācārya; nityānanda—Lord Nityānanda; śrīnivāsa—Śrīvāsa Paṇḍita; gadādhara—Gadādhara Paṇḍita; dāmodara—Svarūpa Dāmodara; murāri—Murāri Gupta; haridāsa—Haridāsa Ṭhākura; āra—other; yata—all; caitanya-kṛṣṇera—of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya; bhakta-gaṇa—devotees; bhakti-bhāve—with a devotional attitude; śire—on my head; dhari—I take; sabāra—of all of them; caraṇa—the lotus feet.


Bowing down with devotion, I hold on my head the lotus feet of Advaita Ācārya, Nityānanda, Śrīvāsa Paṇḍita, Gadādhara, Svarūpa Dāmodara, Murāri Gupta, Haridāsa and all the other devotees of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya..


The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta teaches us that we must offer our respectful obeisances to all such pure confidential devotees of Lord Caitanya if we indeed want to know Him in truth. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 4: The Confidential Reasons for Lord Caitanya's Appearance : Adi 4.227-228

śrī-murāri gupta śākhā--premera bhāṇḍāra
prabhura hṛdaya drave śuni' dainya yāṅra


śrī-murāri gupta—of the name Śrī Murāri Gupta; śākhā—branch; premera—of love of Godhead; bhāṇḍāra—store; prabhura—of the Lord; hṛdaya—the heart; drave—melts; śuni'-hearing; dainya—humility; yāṅra—of whom.


Murāri Gupta, the twenty-first branch of the tree of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, was a storehouse of love of Godhead. His great humility and meekness melted the heart of Lord Caitanya.


Śrī Murāri Gupta wrote a book called Śrī Caitanya-carita. He belonged to a vaidya physician family of Śrīhaṭṭa, the paternal home of Lord Caitanya, and later became a resident of Navadvīpa. He was among the elders of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Lord Caitanya exhibited His Varāha form in the house of Murāri Gupta, as described in the Caitanya-bhāgavata, Madhya-līlā, Third Chapter. When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu exhibited His mahā-prakāśa form, He appeared before Murāri Gupta as Lord Rāmacandra. 

When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Nityānanda Prabhu were sitting together in the house of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura, Murāri Gupta first offered his respects to Lord Caitanya and then to Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu. Nityānanda Prabhu, however, was older than Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and therefore Lord Caitanya remarked that Murāri Gupta had violated social etiquette, for he should have first shown respect to Nityānanda Prabhu and then to Him. In this way, by the grace of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Murāri Gupta was informed about the position of Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, and the next day he offered obeisances first to Lord Nityānanda and then to Lord Caitanya. 

Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu gave chewed pan, or betel nut, to Murāri Gupta. Once Śivānanda Sena offered food to Lord Caitanya that had been cooked with excessive ghee, and the next day the Lord became sick and went to Murāri Gupta for treatment. Lord Caitanya accepted some water from the waterpot of Murāri Gupta, and thus He was cured. The natural remedy for indigestion is to drink a little water, and since Murāri Gupta was a physician, he gave the Lord some drinking water and cured Him.

When Caitanya Mahāprabhu appeared in the house of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura in His Caturbhuja mūrti, Murāri Gupta became His carrier in the form of Garuḍa, and in these pastimes of ecstasy the Lord then got up on his back. It was the desire of Murāri Gupta to leave his body before the disappearance of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, but the Lord forbade him to do so. This is described in Caitanya-bhagāvata, Madhya-līlā, Chapter Twenty. When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu one day appeared in ecstasy as the Varāha mūrti, Murāri Gupta offered Him prayers. 

He was a great devotee of Lord Rāmacandra, and his staunch devotion is vividly described in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Madhya-līlā, Fifteenth Chapter, verses 137 through 157. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 10: The Trunk, Branches and Sub-branches of the Caitanya Tree : Adi 10.49 :

pratigraha nāhi kare, nā laya kāra dhana
ātma-vṛtti kari' kare kuṭumba bharaṇa


pratigraha nāhi kare—he did not accept charity from anyone; nā—not; laya—take; kāra—anyone's; dhana—wealth; ātma-vṛtti—own profession; kari'-executing; kare—maintained; kuṭumba—family; bharaṇa—provision.


Śrīla Murāri Gupta never accepted charity from friends, nor did he accept money from anyone. He practiced as a physician and maintained his family with his earnings.


It should be noted that a gṛhastha (householder) must not make his livelihood by begging from anyone. Every householder of the higher castes should engage himself in his own occupational duty as a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya, but he should not engage in the service of others, for this is the duty of a śūdra. One should simply accept whatever he earns by his own profession. The engagements of a brāhmaṇa are yajana, yājana, paṭhana, pāṭhana, dāna and pratigraha. 

A brāhmaṇa should be a worshiper of Viṣṇu, and he should also instruct others how to worship Him. A kṣatriya can become a landholder and earn his livelihood by levying taxes or collecting rent from tenants. A vaiśya can accept agriculture or general trade as an occupational duty. Since Murāri Gupta was born in a physician's family (vaidya-vaṁśa), he practiced as a physician, and with whatever income he earned he maintained his family. 

As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, everyone should try to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead through the execution of his occupational duty. That is the perfection of life. This system is called daivī-varṇāśrama. Murāri Gupta was an ideal gṛhastha, for he was a great devotee of Lord Rāmacandra and Caitanya Mahāprabhu. By practicing as a physician he maintained his family and at the same time satisfied Lord Caitanya to the best of his ability. This is the ideal of householder life.Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 10: The Trunk, Branches and Sub-branches of the Caitanya Tree : Adi 10.50

cikitsā karena yāre ha-iyā sadaya
deha-roga bhāva-roga,--dui tāra kṣaya

cikitsā—medical treatment; karena—did; yāre—upon whom; ha-iyā—becoming; sadaya—merciful; deha-roga—the disease of the body; bhāva-roga—the disease of material existence; dui—both; tāra—his; kṣaya—diminished.


As Murāri Gupta treated his patients, by his mercy both their bodily and spiritual diseases subsided.


Murāri Gupta could treat both bodily and spiritual disease because he was a physician by profession and a great devotee of the Lord in terms of spiritual advancement. This is an example of service to humanity. Everyone should know that there are two kinds of diseases in human society. One disease, which is called adhyātmika, or material disease, pertains to the body, but the main disease is spiritual. 

The living entity is eternal, but somehow or other, when in contact with the material energy, he is subjected to the repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. The physicians of the modern day should learn from Murāri Gupta. Although modern philanthropic physicians open gigantic hospitals, there are no hospitals to cure the material disease of the spirit soul. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has taken up the mission of curing this disease, but people are not very appreciative because they do not know what this disease is. 

A diseased person needs both proper medicine and a proper diet, and therefore the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement supplies materially stricken people with the medicine of the chanting of the holy name, or the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, and the diet of prasāda. There are many hospitals and medical clinics to cure bodily diseases, but there are no such hospitals to cure the material disease of the spirit soul. 

The centers of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement are the only established hospitals that can cure man of birth, death, old age and disease. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 10: The Trunk, Branches and Sub-branches of the Caitanya Tree : Adi 10.51

jaya dāmodara-svarūpa jaya murāri gupta
ei saba candrodaye tamaḥ kaila lupta


jaya—all glories; dāmodara-svarūpa—of the name Svarūpa Dāmodara; jaya—all glories; murāri gupta—of the name Murāri Gupta; ei saba—of all these; candra-udaye—such moons having arisen; tamaḥ—darkness; kaila—made; lupta—dissipated.

All glories to Svarūpa Dāmodara and Murāri Gupta! All these brilliant moons have together dissipated the darkness of this material world. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 13: The Advent of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Adi 13.4 :

dāmodara-svarūpa, āra gupta murāri
mukhya-mukhya-līlā sūtre likhiyāche vicāri'


dāmodara-svarūpa—of the name Svarūpa Dāmodara; āra—and; gupta murāri—of the name Murāri Gupta; mukhya-mukhya—most important; līlā—pastimes; sūtre—in notes; likhiyāche—have written; vicāri'-by mature deliberation.


Devotees like Śrī Svarūpa Dāmodara and Murāri Gupta have recorded all the principal pastimes of Lord Caitanya in the form of notes, after deliberate consideration. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 13: The Advent of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Adi 13.46

sei, anusāre likhi līlā-sūtragaṇa
vistāri' varṇiāchena tāhā dāsa-vṛndāvana

sei—that; anusāre—following; likhi—I write; līlā—pastimes; sūtra-gaṇa—notes; vistāri'-very explicitly; varṇiyāchena—has described; tāhā—that; dāsa-vṛndāvana—Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura.


The notes kept by Śrī Svarūpa Dāmodara and Murāri Gupta are the basis of this book. Following those notes, I write of all the pastimes of the Lord. The notes have been described elaborately by Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura.Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 13: The Advent of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Adi 13.47

rāḍhadeśe janmilā ṭhākura nityānanda
gaṅgādāsa paṇḍita, gupta murāri, mukunda


rāḍha-deśe—the place where there is no Ganges; janmilā—took birth; ṭhākura nityānanda—Nityānanda Prabhu; gaṅgādāsa paṇḍita—of the name Gaṅgādāsa Paṇḍita; gupta murāri—of the name Murāri Gupta; mukunda—of the name Mukunda.


In Rāḍhadeśa, the part of Bengal where the Ganges is not visible, Nityānanda Prabhu, Gaṅgādāsa Paṇḍita, Murāri Gupta and Mukunda took birth.Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 13: The Advent of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Adi 13.61 :

tabe sapta-prahara chilā prabhu bhāvāveśe
yathā tathā bhakta-gaṇa dekhila viśeṣe


tabe—thereafter; sapta-prahara—twenty-one hours; chilā—remained; prabhu—the Lord; bhāva-āveśe—in ecstasy; yathā—anywhere; tathā—everywhere; bhakta-gaṇa—the devotees; dekhila—saw; viśeṣe—specifically.


After this incident, the Lord remained in an ecstatic position for twenty-one hours, and all the devotees saw His specific pastimes.


In the Deity's room there must be a bed for the Deity behind the Deity's throne. (This system should immediately be introduced in all our centers. It does not matter whether the bed is big or small; it should be of a size the Deity room can conveniently accommodate, but there must be at least a small bed.) One day in the house of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu sat down on the bed of Viṣṇu, and all the devotees worshiped Him with the Vedic mantras of the Puruṣa-sūkta, beginning with sahasra-śīrṣā puruṣaḥ sahasrākṣaḥ sahasra-pāt. This veda-stuti should also be introduced, if possible, for installations of Deities. While bathing the Deity, all the priests and devotees must chant this Puruṣa-sūkta and offer the appropriate paraphernalia for worshiping the Deity, such as flowers, fruits, incense, ārati paraphernalia, naivedya, vastra and ornaments. 

All the devotees worshiped Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu in this way, and the Lord remained in ecstasy for seven praharas, or twenty-one hours. He took this opportunity to show the devotees that He is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, who is the source of all other incarnations, as confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā (10.8): ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate. All the different forms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, or viṣṇu-tattva, emanate from the body of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu exposed all the private desires of the devotees, and thus all of them became fully confident that Lord Caitanya is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Some devotees call this exhibition of ecstasy by the Lord sāta-prahariyā bhāva, or "the ecstasy of twenty-one hours," and others call it mahābhāva-prakāśa or mahā-prakāśa. There are other descriptions of this sāta-prahariyā bhāva in the Caitanya-bhāvagata, Chapter Nine, which mentions that Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu blessed a maidservant named Duḥkhī with the name Sukhī. He called for Kholāvecā Śrīdhara, and showed him His mahā-prakāśa. Then He called for Murāri Gupta and showed him His feature as Lord Rāmacandra. He offered His blessings to Haridāsa Ṭhākura, and at this time He also asked Advaita Prabhu to explain the Bhagavad-gītā as it is (gītāra satya-pāṭha) and showed special favor to Mukunda. 

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 17: The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth : Adi 17.18

Tuesday, October 23, 2018

Garuda and Bhutatma Discussion on Book Changes

Why are people so upset? We just changed a few things:
We now say that acharyas are often debauchees!
Any questions?

[PADA: Dravida admits there is no order to edit the books? So they are admitting there is no authority to re-write the books? And they are upset that Garuda is making this issue public, we should work with them first? That is what the GBC folks said about the Kirtanananda program, we should NOT criticize in public, we should bring these New Vrndavana issues to the GBC. 

Well now, the GBC has buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi, that means, they still do not consult with any of us even after all the evidence is in, they deviated by promoting him as a guru in the first place. They never consult with us on any issue -- guru issue, book changes issue, gurukula issue, devotee purge issue, hindu-ized programs, illicit sex acharyas issue, and so on, that is the problem all along. ys pd]    

Many Are Fed Up And Leaving ISKCON (KD)

KD: So many are fed up and have left "Iskcon" to different degrees, but unfortunately we are also very divided on the guru issue. As there are several Ritvik / Prabhupadanuga groups, the same will likely be the situation for those who doesn't accept that conclusion. A few of us are planning to start a temple in Vrindavan in 5 years time on the basis of the original books. The finances are there. Already got a nice place in Vrindavan and a big place in Mayapur, outside the "Iskcon" campus. Also planning a bus tour in India, converting a new bus into a mobile temple. One of the regional leaders in India is going to be part of it.

KKD: Yes, it is very obvious that there are two big issues or problems in ISKCON! One problem is the guru issue, and the other is the unauthorized changes of Srila Prabhupada's original books. And it is very difficult to say which problem is worse!

PADA: Well it all comes down to: who is being promoted as the current acharya of whatever group we have? For example, the deviated ISKCON GBC's folks promote their process: that its common to see illicit sex and other deviations manifesting in the acharya's lineage. And that is also why they bury sexual predators and porno swamis in samadhis, and they spend $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupadanugas and they ban our people etc. They favor a guru lineage of deviants and they attack a guru lineage of pure devotees, and that is their track record.

Then, we have the Narayan Maharaja / Gaudiya Matha's folks, the promoters, advisors, rasika acharyas, siksha gurus and cheer leaders of the GBC's illicit sex acharya's process. So we can have a separate group from all that deviated process, but unless we clearly identify that our current acharya is Srila Prabhupada, we will have the same problems as the GBC has, i.e. no clear siddhanta. 

That is why any group has to make a clear position paper statement about what alternate acharya system they are adopting from the GBC's, or else they will be possibly "lumped in" with the GBC's and Gaudiya Matha's sexual predator's acharya's lineages. Anyway, good luck with your separate group, just about anything is better than the idea that acharyas are often debauchees, that has to be rejected wholesale. And it seems, it is being rejected more and more. Keep us posted on your progress and programs. 

A friend of ours says that at their USA ISKCON temple the GBC's plan is almost complete, there are barely any Western devotees participating. The GBC  supposedly gives salaries to the folks managing the temple as well. Therefore, they have had their dream realized, they get to bilk the Hindus with a "showing of the deity program," just like the Gaudiya Matha's folks did. History repeated!

ys pd

Damodar Leela (for children) VIDEO

Sunday, October 21, 2018

Shri Vrinda Devi Ashtakam (Video)

Hanuman Croatia's Guru Parampara Explained

PADA: Thanks AJD prabhu, for sending me Hanuman Croatia's "lasting impressions" site's "web stats," where he advertises that his site is getting a lot more hits these days. That is fine, but this is the same problem we had with the Hitler-anuga program. They ALSO said they are getting a lot of hits, but what is that doing? How many people want to be disciples of Hitler? So Hanuman is trying to get people to reject the GBC's bogus guru system, simultaneously he is promoting it? That means he is not really helping people, rather he is confusing them.

Anway, before we comment further, lets review the Hanuman Croatia / lasting impressions web site's guru parampara: 

Hanuman Croatia says that Bhakti Vikas Swami 
is a current bona fide guru parampara link.   

Hanuman Croatia says the ritviks are bogus because they do not accept his GBC's appointed and voted in guru parampara. OK fine, but what exactly is Hanuman's guru parampara? He says Bhakti Vikas swami is a bona fide guru in his parampara. And BVKS is a "sannyasa disciple" of Jayapataka swami, and a big promoter of the JPS guru regime and process. 

And Jayapataka swami is in turn -- a founder father of "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators, molesters and criminals as acharyas / messiahs program" (which we had to help their victims sue in court for $400,000,000 for mass child molesting). Not sure why Hanuman Croatia does not know that the enforced cult ritualistic worship of deviants as acharyas program is -- not bona fide -- nor are the people "2/3 show of hands voted in" to such programs -- like his hero co-GBC / JPS messiah BVKS, who is voted into their system.   

Did If forget to mention part of the child abuse lawsuit complaint was that the GBC / BVKS / JPS school program's children were not getting proper food, there were complaints of lack of food, unhealthy diet and etc.? And some of the GBC / BVKS / JPS school children regime's victims thus reported they had stunted growth, bad teeth, and other problems due to this poor diet. But meanwhile, it seems the Bhakti Vikas program's folks made sure Jayapataka had plenty to eat? 

Were the leaders of the child starving program eating enough?

In fact the BVKS program's sannyasa spiritual master became as big as a pig, then a walrus, then an -- elephant! Where was all the food going? Bhakti Vikas swami's program was stuffing it all into JPS pie hole -- and not -- into the children's mouths? Is this what Hanuman Croatia considers as a bona fide program? And if we worship child starving / child abuser programs and the leaders / enablers / participants of that infrastructure, how can we get rid of them, which Hanuman Croatia makes out that he wants to do? 

Lets also not forget that the BVKS program loves the biggest promoters of the sexual predator's acharyas program, like Radhanath swami. And these guys buried a known sexual predator in a samadhi. This is the program we should be hugging and kissing up to? The leader of the Hanuman / Bhakti Vikas swami program is hugging Radhanath, and then Hanuman makes pretend he is against this program? How can we be against the program -- whose members we worship? 

Yep, its the enforced cult ritualistic worship of deviants program's leaders!

We love the people who promote children aggressor programs!

Did If forget to mention JPS kicked me out of ISKCON when I told him Jayatirtha is not qualified to be an acharya?

Of course BVKS encouraging other neophytes to make pretend they are another Jesus who can absorb sins is not working out either, is it?

Sorry! The Hanuman Croatia guru parampara is the same guru parampara he is complaining about! He is fighting his own shadow. We cannot simultaneously promote deviations and protest deviations. Srila Prabhupada says this is like pouring water on the wood we are trying to start on fire. 

In any case, we wonder why Hanuman Croatia does not know that "the cult enforced worship of sexual predators, molesters, deviants, crooks and murder orchestrators as gurus and messiahs" is NOT a bona fide guru parampara? Even any ten year old child in San Francisco knows that this is not a bona fide representation of God and / or His guru successors? Why don't these guys know that? ys pd