Thursday, June 30, 2022

Ex-Yogi Bhajan Children Sue for Abuse

 https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/yogi-bhajan-sexual-abuse-573603.html?

PADA: Exploiting the children? And we were thinking that would not happen in ISKCON, because we had the "really pure idea." Well yes and nope! We had a lot of contaminated people, and they brought their deviations into the process. As Srila Prabhupada says "do not make it a stool society." Ummm, yep! ys pd

Wednesday, June 29, 2022

A few Lord Jagganath Videos

 


Fly Swatter / Natural Fly Spray for Cows etc.

PADA: Someone told me this works great on their dairy cow, which was formerly "covered with tons of flies." Now they report, "there is not even one fly on the cow." I don't know, but it is worth a shot, and it beats the all-chemical sprays that are bad for the environment, and the cow. Apparently, also good for other animals. If you try it, you can send me a report. Dang, I hate to see the poor cows (or any other animals) covered with flies! ys pd  

angel108b@yahoo.com

Flyswatter- All Natural Fly Spray – Synergy Animal Products, Inc.



Second Letter to Tirtha In Jail

6/29/2022 

angel108b@yahoo.com

Dear Tirtha Dasa, 

This is Puranjan again. Thanks for writing back.

First of all I am not sure how you "do not know" who is Sulochana / Steve Bryant since, by all accounts you are in jail for his untimely demise. Me and Sulochana were working on various issues, including the widespread child molesting going on in and around ISKCON. Kirtanananda eventually admitted he was having oral sex with young men in his motorhome and other locations, but we know instances were going on well before that, apart from many other cases of child abuse going on in NV from other perps there. 

New Vrndavana is mentioned in the $400,000,000 Windle Turley child abuse lawsuit against ISKCON. Some of the people there knew abuse was going on, not only Sulochana. For example, Chakradhari was saying Kirtanananda was having sex with young men early on. So this deviation was known in sectors of the community, and was known by me personally. Kirtanananda was formerly part of the Mott street boys, includes Umapati and Hayagriva. Bhavananda was also a former follower of Andy Warhol etc. Well known to us old timers.

In 1997 I started to help put together a second Dallas child abuse lawsuit. This time using the Dallas firm Windle Turley -- where ISKCON was sued for $400,000,000. This lawsuit is mentioned in many newspapers. You should be able to find the case or related news. There were allegedly about 4000 kids in ISKCON, and out of that number various victims claim about half of them (2000) were victims of various abuses. 

I tend to believe the victims, and I know a number of them personally. Some of the victims were committing suicide by 1997, so we had to make some emergency effort to stop the process of molesting and suicides. Eventually, the ISKCON leaders pleaded "no contest" in the Dallas court, especially once they found out I was coming to Dallas to testify. They did not want to confront me in a public court case, so they pleaded out. Then they declared ISKCON as bankrupt to avoid paying the victims. They have had to pay, and I am told they are still paying monthly installments currently. I also helped with other lawsuits in India etc., all told -- some followers of Jayapataka blamed me for ISKCON losing $100,000,000. My fault really? Hee hee!  

As for the "Auschwitz for kids" idea. That is what some of the ex-children victims assessed was going on for them. There were some very serious cases of beatings, breaking bones, smashing out teeth, in addition to sexual abuse, psychological abuse, lack of food and basic supplies like soap etc. for a number of victims. Some of this testimony was being collated by Sulochana and me for some time before 1997, and I then forwarded all this info to the lawyers. I also sent out my newsletters with the address and phone number for victims to sign up for the case. 

About a thousand signed up initially, and many more would have, except the law firm decided to keep it at 500 maximum, since ISKCON could not pay for more victims. If some kids have been saying they have been in "Auschwitz for kids," this begs the question, why would they even say such things? And who are the persons responsible for creating, defending and enabling that regime? 

Imagine my situation! I am telling hundreds or maybe thousands of "loving devotee parents" that there is a mass molesting program going on left, right and center -- among their society's children. Perhaps this is affecting their own children. And most of them responded by saying -- you are using bad language; you need to be banned, removed, exiled, maybe beaten, maybe killed. In other words, most of the devotees have been working hand in glove in favor of the molesting regime, either by commission or omission. And that placed my life in severe danger. 

My own kids have been in anxiety that someone would come and "get me." And others were worried about my potential demise as well -- such as my friends in the police, FBI, media, Dr. Stilson Judah and others. They all agreed, I can die at any moment for defending ISKCON's children from this odious and dangerous child abuse regime. 

In 1986 I was interviewed by CBS TV and the newslady said, "First, I want you to look at this film we just made at New Vrndavana with Kirtanananda -- covered with with the hands of dozens of boys. Now my question is, is New Vrndavana pedophile's heaven or what"? I said "Yes, it is," and she said -- "Thank God we met you, we thought all of you were pedophile worshipers." Thus, any ordinary Joe six pack person on the street could figure this whole thing out in less than two seconds, but many devotees still cannot figure it out even decades later. 

Anyway, thanks to these types of people we then had a well publicized media voice on the situation. And then the GBC realized -- taking me out would be too much trouble for them, it would be all over the news media, there would be more police raids etc. and they could not afford another big scandal. They had already lost many thousands of people after the Sulochana murder, they simply could not afford more big losses. Bascially, this was all decided by them on the "cash flow loss" issue and not the importance of my life, or the children's.    

Should I hold a grudge against the people who supported the regime that wanted my friends and me dead? Well, most people in my situation would hold a grudge. I don't, especially at this stage. Rather, I feel bad for the people who supported the regime. They simply did not realize how evil their program has been, and they mistakenly thought they were doing the right thing. OK they were deluded. Most of the ex-children victims also boycott ISKCON and some of them around here even curse at the religion, and some eat meat out of protest etc. 

I really cannot blame them much, they were alienated and badly. So there has been a lot of suffering caused to children, and I believe there will be a lot of pay back for all those responsible eventually -- since these were not ordinary children but were Srila Prabhupada's personal hope for the world.  

Srila Prabhupada also says anyone who glares at a Vaishnava has to take birth as a vulture and sit and glare all day long. Imagine a guy like Kirtanananda training thousands of people to glare at the Lord's Vaishnavas. In sum, I do not believe anyone has EVER had any authority to orchestrate any of this process in any capacity -- either as a leader, subservient cheer leader, enforcer, supporter, enabler etc. ... to create so much suffering for the children, to bankrupt the ISKCON society, and to harass people like myself and make my life hell, and to actually take out my associates like Sulochana and others. 

Thus, according to shastra, people who act without authority will have to pay for that. And I believe they will. Many of their leaders got sick, fell down, and / or died prematurely, and that is only the start of their reactions. Why would I begrudge any of them since karma is always due process eventually? 

The good news is -- most of bogus guru's Western ISKCON went bankrupt in USA and Europe, and their temples emptied out. Then the snake had little or no teeth to come after us. The bad news is -- even now some poor mother with her own little tykes is getting threats of violence for her protesting their current pedophile guru named Lokanath swami. I am friends with Lokanath's female victim and she also suffered badly. In other words, there is still some ongoing effort to force / enforce their pedophile guru's process, although it is not nearly as dangerous as it was. 

However, this mother now has her own protest blogs with thousands of followers -- so she is exposing them and she is gaining lots of nice sympathy and support. Of course, I am also advocating for this cause and thousands of people read my blogs and sites every day. I have helped many media presentations, and am also helping current professional books, news article writers, TV shows etc. which will come out in future. Overall, I would say our protest sites are gaining more steam and the regime's are dwindling.  

I was just explaining to some media person that when I said "There is a mass child abuse problem," the answer I often got was "Well jeepers prabhu, are you saying that Krishna cannot make another pure devotee"? WTF? OK we are talking here about child abuse, maybe your own children are among the victims, not whether or not Krishna has the potency to make another pure devotee. In other words, it just seems to go over their heads that mass child molesting / pedophile worship is even a problem. Well, it is! Then after we had them sued, all sorts of these same parents, elders, seniors and big important leaders complained (some even yelled at me and wanted to do worse) that I did not address this "in house internally." 

Umm what? I am being banned, beaten, threatened to be sued, chased with baseball bats, given threats etc. for addressing this internally already. Thanks, but we will address this externally, that way, at least we might survive the ordeal! Hee hee! Clearly without support from the police, FBI, courts and media, I would be dead a long time ago. In other words, most ordinary Joe six pack citizens understands that child molester messiah's programs are evil and must be contained, the devotees, ok not so much.

I think what it boils down to is -- most devotees never studied the actual siddhanta. Or they would know that a Mott St. boy is not going to catapult from there -- to assisting the gopis -- from 1967-1977, when people from the Gaudiya Matha could not catapult themselves to pure devotees even though some of them were brahmanas by birth. It is just not that cheap and easy. And trying to force people to worship deviants as messiahs only works very short term, and then the whole thing deteriorates and disintegrates -- as it did after 1936 in India and countless other bogus guru cults. The devotees were in sum arrogant and foolish and they thought they could cheat the universe with an artificial guru process, but Srila Prabhupada told us thousands of times -- that never works in the end. 

Anyway, now I am helping a sort of loose knit alliance of "Prabhupadanuga" followers, who are making new devotees, temples and programs emphasizing that the actual guru is Srila Prabhupada (not his imitations) and we are making good progress. Srila Prabhupada gave me the name Puranjan in 1971 and when I asked what that means, he said you will find out everything later. And later the Puranjan story was printed in 1974, and it said that after the spiritual master departs -- there will be chaos in the name of bogus gurus, swamis etc. and the sincere persons will have to address that. 

How could we avoid addressing that issue when we got the name Puranjan, and it tells us these bogus gurus will manifest, and it is our duty to challenge them. So I was sort of awarded the post of being ISKCON's sewage cleaner. I would not want anyone else to be in my shoes and have had the horrific experiences I have had, but on the other hand, I would not want to be in the shoes of my opponents, who will be held accountable for all this. Despite all the troubles I have had, I'd rather be me than them.

In short, if God orders Noah to build and ark and put all the animals in it to save the world, and some goondas come over and start the ark on fire to destroy the animals who are supposed to be the future salvation of the planet, it would seem to me, those goondas would be number one on God's "Yamaraja, please put these bogus people into the crapper" list. 

Sulochana used to say he would not trade one billion years of his past karma for 10 minutes of their future karma, and -- I believe he is right. Some of the former enforcers have apologized to me and we became friends and I really appreciated that they did that. It is a start. Anyway, all we can do now is try to pick up the pieces, and that is gradually happening by Krishna's grace. If you wanted to write a clarification of what your position is on all this currently, I will post it for you on my blog. We must never forget that Lord Balaram took out Romaharsana for being a false spiritual authority, the Lord has Zero Tolerance for such offenders and their help mates.  

Hope you are well, your servant Puranjan das   

 

Why This Gaudiya Matha Failed?

GSD: Srila Prabhupada clearly explains the reasons for ISKCON’s decline.

Though Srila Prabhupada was speaking about the failure of the Gaudiya Matha, amazingly it perfectly matches ISKCON’s own post-samadhi history, line for line. Seven sentences have been numbered for direct comparison to ISKCON.

“Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru.
He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that 'This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure.

They never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’

They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to  appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. 

They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection." –
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 08-16-76, Bombay

Srila Prabhupada explains why ISKCON could fail after he left:

Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru." 

ISKCON has also failed horribly in the 30 years since Srila Prabhupada's departure. The reason is simple: the ISKCON leaders tried to be more than their guru by manufacturing so many speculative things (zonal acharyas, voted in acharyas, suspended acharyas, etc.).

Srila Prabhupada established a system in his temples whereby his unique position as founder-acharya (samsthapaka-acharya) was highlighted through his own worship in every single ISKCON temple. Some of the specific ways in which Srila Prabhupada did this was by having his vyasasana installed in all temples, installation of his deity while he was still living (in Vrindavan), having his photo on all ISKCON altars, having all disciples worship him every morning through “guru-puja”, etc. 

As soon as Prabhupada departed, ISKCON leaders suddenly tried to compete with him, installing their own Vyasasanas in all temples, keeping their own photos on the altar, instituting mandatory worship of themselves through “guru-puja” in all ISKCON temples, etc. Oddly, one will not find a single instruction by Srila Prabhupada to any of these ISKCON leaders, nor to ISKCON as a whole, to implement any of these changes to his institution. 

Srila Prabhupada specifically instructed how worship and sadhana in his movement should be carried out. Every detail of the morning program, evening program, japa, worship, etc., was given by Srila Prabhupada for all ISKCON devotees. Yet in an instant, the ISKCON leaders decided they were more than their guru, and made all sorts of unauthorized changes to his movement.

"He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that 'This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure."

Srila Prabhupada also gave all instructions before departing. Yet he never said "this person will be next acharya" or "these people will be the next diksha gurus". Despite the fact that he never authorized anyone to be the next diksha guru, immediately after his departure his disciples fought over the position of acharya, throwing out anyone who did not accept their chosen 11 leaders as equal to Srila Prabhupada.

"They never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’"

After Prabhupada's departure, the ISKCON leaders never thought "Why Srila Prabhupada did not say that these men should be acharyas?" Prabhupada gave so many instructions, yet he specifically never authorized anyone to be the next acharya and diksha guru of ISKCON. Instead of understanding the reason Prabhupada never authorized or appointed anyone, the ISKCON leaders immediately fought over who would succeed Srila Prabhupada as acharya. It is a fact that Srila Prabhupada did not say that any of the 11 appointed zonal-acharyas should be acharya. It is also a fact that Srila Prabhupada did not say that any of the present 100 mini-acharyas should be mini-acharya. 

“So why did he not say that this man, [insert SWAMI X here], should be acharya?” That is Prabhupada’s own question. You can take it up with him.

Tamal Krishna Maharaja, one of the 11 zonal acharya's, explained their mood at the time of appointing themselves as successor acharya's:

“They immediately… these eleven people are the selected gurus. I can say definitely for myself, and for which I humbly beg forgiveness from everybody, that there was definitely some degree of trying to control. There's a degree of this in most GBC's parts, in most temple president's parts. This is the conditioned nature, and it came out in the highest position of all. ‘Guru, oh wonderful! Now I'm a guru, and there is only eleven of us’.”

"They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed."

The ISKCON leaders wanted to artificially appoint themselves as acharya, and as Tamal Krishna Maharaja explained above, it was due to their desire to control, due to their conditioned nature, and due to their desire to become gurus (only 11 people, worshipped as good as God Himself). Once the 11 zonal acharya's were artificially created to replace Srila Prabhupada, everything in ISKCON failed. The history since that time has been one disgrace after another, so much so that devotees are embarassed to let other people know they are devotees. 

All of Prabhupada's wealth and assets, meant for Krishna's service, have been looted and stolen; many wonderful temples have been closed down and sold off; and worst of all, tens of thousands of devotees have been exploited and then left abandoned by fallen "gurus" and "acharyas".

"They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it."

To this very day the ISKCON leaders still do not consider this point with common sense. If Srila Prabhupada wanted to appoint some people as acharya, why didn't he say so? Srila prabhupada taught so many things, yet they think he missed this simple point, forgetting to specify who will be acharya and diksha guru after him? Prabhupada's use of the phrase "and they insist upon it" is amazingly relevant to ISKCON today. The ISKCON leaders repeatedly insist that Prabhupada failed to specify who would be the next diksha guru. 

They insist upon it so much, that if you do not accept their view on this matter, then you are banned and thrown out.

"They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya."

Fallen: Kirtanananda Swami
Fallen: Satsvarupa dasa Goswami
Fallen: Bhavananda Swami
Fallen: Hamsaduta Swami
Fallen: Ramesvara Swami
Fallen: Harikesa Swami
Fallen: Bhagavan dasa Goswami
Fallen: Jayatirtha Swami
Not Fallen: Tamala Krsna Goswami (died in car crash)
Not Fallen: Jayapataka Swami
Not Fallen: Hridayananda Goswami (advocates acceptance of homosexual marriage)

Thus, the whole point of "adding new gurus" was just to dilute the list and make the fall percentage appear more reasonable. But if you were to take the second and third batches of added gurus (dilutions 1 & 2), and wait for the same amount of time that the first zonal acharyas had to manifest their fallen nature, you will find a similar percentage of fallen gurus in the subsequent batches. In other words, give the second and third batch of gurus 30 years, and they will also show a 70% fall down rate. This is inevitable, as going against the order of the Acharya will, without fail, lead to falldown.

Now at this year’s GBC meetings they have passed a new resolution calling for all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples to come forward and be "diksha gurus" - the final dilution to cover their original mistake of appointing unfit people as zonal acharyas. This brings up a serious flaw in their line of thinking. When you make a mistake, and you realize it is a mistake (as with the appointment of the zonal acharyas), what should you do? You should stop and undo the mistake, and then move forward. 

Anyone with common sense can understand this. But rather than stopping the zonal acharya's and removing their acharyaship (i.e. undoing the first mistake), they instead chose to add MORE acharyas to cover the first mistake. When this was shown to be a second mistake, they added EVEN MORE acharyas. And now that it has become a joke, they are trying one last dilution - everyone come forward and become acharya. Having admitted that the appointment of zonal acharyas without authorization from Srila Prabhupada was "the greatest disservice to the movement", they must stop and undo this great mistake. 

But their solution is to dilute more and more. If you have clear water, and if a drop of red ink falls in it, the entire cup of water will become red. To make it go away some people will try to keep diluting it by adding more and more clear water to the already dirty red water so that it becomes less noticeable. But when the drop of red ink is instead poison, it doesn't matter how much clean water you add, it will always be poisonous. Violating the instructions of the Acharya is spiritual poison. No matter how much dilution they do, it will always remain as poison.

Prabhupada's Conclusion:

After pointing out six reasons for the failure of the Gaudiya Matha (and subsequently ISKCON), Srila Prabhupada gives the solution:

"So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection."

Prabhupada's solution to the problems faced by the Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON is simple. "Remain perpetually directed by Guru Maharaja, that is perfection." Already he has outlined the six mistakes that the Gaudiya Matha and subsequently ISKCON made upon the departure of the Acharya. Now his solution to those mistakes is to simply follow the directions of the Acharya. If the acharya's instructions are followed, then ISKCON will again rise from its present state of failure and spread throughout the world. In case anyone has forgotten the Acharya’s instruction on this matter, here it is:

"I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acharya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully." - Srila Prabhupada (letter to Kirtanananda, 11 Feb. 1967)

Srila Prabhupada wanted to remain as the Acharya of ISKCON, just as Ramakrishna is the Acharya of the Ramakrishna mission. He never said, "Once I depart, replace me with 11 zonal acharya's because I am dead." Ramakrishna had been dead for years and years – yet still he was the center of their movement. Srila Prabhupada wanted to follow the same system where he is kept at the center as the Acharya (not being obscured by 11 zonal acharyas, nor 100 mini-acharya, nor 1,000 micro-acharyas). Working on this principle, the Ramakrishna mission as an organization "has done wonderfully". Compare that to Prabhupada's analysis of those who manufacture false acharyas:

"They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed."

So the choice is there for everyone: do you want to manufacture false acharyas and have everything fail (as has happened since Prabhupada departed), or do you want to keep Srila Prabhupada in the center as the Acharya and have ISKCON do "wonderfully" as an organization. The GBC refuses to even hear anything on this matter, and as such is the greatest block for the advancement of ISKCON today.
In the "Pyramid House Confessions" (recorded in 1980, at Topanga Canyon), 

Tamal Krishna Maharaja, one of the 11 zonal acharyas, stated the following:
"Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus... You cannot show me anything on tape or in writing where Prabhupada says: 'I appoint these eleven as gurus'. It does not exist because he never appointed any gurus. This is a myth."

Thus, it is very clear by their own admission that Srila Prabhupada never appointed anyone as diksha guru or successor acharya for ISKCON. Since they have admitted that Prabhupada never appointed any gurus, let us look again at Prabhupada's 5th point in the original quote:

"They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say?"

This is the perfect summary of ISKCON's history after Srila Prabhupada. First, they fought and appointed unfit people as successor acharyas. As they began to fall, in order to make it less noticeable, they tried to dilute the guru list by adding even more unfit successor acharyas. As those false gurus also began to fall, they further tried to hide it by diluting the guru list even further. 

I have actually heard one of the original zonal acharya's use the "fall percentage" as evidence that the current system is doing alright. He said, "If you take all the gurus in ISKCON and calculate how many have fallen, it isn't a very high percentage." But that is only because they have repeatedly added new dilutions to cover the original falls. If you take the original 11 self-appointed zonal acharyas, you have 72% of the gurus who have unconditionally fallen. And of the remaining three you have one person who died in a horrible car crash and one person who advocates acceptance of homosexual marriage:

Prabhupada's solution to the problems faced by the Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON is simple. "Remain perpetually directed by Guru Maharaja, that is perfection." Already he has outlined the six mistakes that the Gaudiya Matha and subsequently ISKCON made upon the departure of the Acharya. Now his solution to those mistakes is to simply follow the directions of the Acharya. If the acharya's instructions are followed, then ISKCON will again rise from its present state of failure and spread throughout the world. In case anyone has forgotten the Acharya’s instruction on this matter, here it is:

If Srila Prabhupada had wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why didn't he say so? It is proven that Prabhupada did not tell anyone to be acharya. Thus, as per Srila Prabhupada's own logical statement above, he did not want to appoint somebody as acharya. Yet, ISKCON leaders have gone ahead, against the desire of Srila Prabhupada, and have appointed nearly 100 of them. This again shows how they are “trying to be more than their guru”, Prabhupada’s first point for why they failed.

The Timeless Order

If, as the ISKCON leaders claim, one automatically becomes diksha guru and successor acharya when the guru departs (even without any authorization from the previous guru), then why should they consider what they have done to have been "the greatest disservice to the movement"? They took 11 people and said they were now successor acharya's because Srila Prabhupada had died. If, as they now teach, one automatically becomes guru when one's own guru passes away, then why would it have been wrong for them to do what they did? Their philosophy goes like this:

A) When guru departs, the disciples automatically become successor acharyas by some assumed, unwritten "Timeless Order".

B) When Srila Prabhupada departed, they made 11 of his disciples as successor acharyas (which is perfectly in line with their claimed point

C) Hence (as per their own statements), they have done "the greatest disservicee to the movement". As anyone can see, the flow of such a philosophy doesn't make sense. From point A and B, one would naturally conclude that point C) should be that "they have done everything fine", since it was in line with the previous points of philosophy that they present. So, the question is how do they (from their own statements) go from A) and B) to C), "the greatest disservice to the movement"? Obviously, there are a few points missing in their logical equation:

D) Next guru must be authorized by previous Guru.

E) Srila Prabhupada never authorized any successor acharyas.

F) ISKCON Leaders went against Srila Prabhupada's orders, and fought over the position of successor acharya.

G) "They tried to become more than guru."

H) "He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that 'This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure."

I) "They never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’"

J) "They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed."

K) "They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it."

L) "They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya."

Once you take Srila Prabhupada's own analysis of the history, point C) becomes self-evident, "they have done the greatest disservice to the movement". Seeing Srila Prabhupada's points G) through L), the conclusion of C) makes sense. But it does not make any sense at all when you accept their "Timeless Order™" theory (i.e. A -> B -> C). Thus, their position is not logically consistant, whereas Srila Prabhupada’s position is.

Does Srila Prabhupada know about the Timeless Order?

The GBC claims that there is an unwritten, assumed Timeless Order™ by which all disciples automatically become diksha gurus upon the departure of their guru. On April 22nd of 1977, Srila Prabhupada had the following conversation:

Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...

Prabhupada: Hm.

Tamala Krishna: ...but not now.

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, 'Now you become acharya. You become authorised.' I am waiting for that. You become, all, acharya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...

Tamala Krishna: Not rubber stamp.

Prabhupada: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru?

Let us focus specifically on the following two sentences:

Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, 'Now you become acharya. You become authorised.' I am waiting for that. You become, all, acharya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

From Prabhupada's conversation above it is clear that he was not about to authorize unqualified "rascal gurus". Thus, by his own words, he never authorized Bhavananda, Kirtanananda, Harikesh, Rameswar, Jayatirtha, Bhagavan, Hansadutta, nor Satsvarupa (all fallen conditioned souls) to be diksha gurus. He clearly says "What is the use of producing some rascal guru...". These people proved themselves to be the very rascal gurus Prabhupada was saying he would not authorize. If these eight false gurus were not authorized by Prabhupada, then none of the original 11 gurus were authorized by him, as their claimed “authorization” was all based on the same evidence.

A) The GBC has previously claimed that Prabhupada authorized 11 diksha guru successors

B) 8 of the 11 proved to be cheaters (“rascal gurus” by Prabhupada’s words).

C) Prabhupada had said he was not going to authorize “rascal gurus”

D) The claimed authorization in point A) was mad up of 70% “rascal gurus”.

E) Thus, Srila Prabhupada never authorized the original group of 11 gurus, as it would conflict with his statements in point C)

What would it mean if Prabhupada said “I am not about to authorize rascal gurus”, and then a few months later, did just that, authorizing a big list of fallen conditioned souls to be his successors? This is what the GBC originally wanted us to believe.

Since it is clear that Prabhupada never authorized the original 11 diksha gurus, the GBC’s latest idea is to invoke a mysterious unwritten “Timeless Order™” by which everyone automatically becomes a successor acharya when the guru departs. But in the above conversation Prabhupada clearly says:

1) I shall say who is guru.

2) (I shall say...) Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.
Since Srila Prabhupada said that “he would say who is guru”, a natural question is, can anyone show an order from Prabhupada where he actually does this, authorizing them to be the next successor acharya of ISKCON? Is there any record from Prabhupada where he says 1) "Such and such will be guru" or 2) "Now, Mr. XYZ, you become Acharya, you are authorized"? 

When Prabhupada has specifically stated that he would tell us who will be the guru(s), and that he would specifically tell us who is authorized, how can the GBC then fall back onto a claim of a "Timeless Order" by which all disciples automatically become diksha guru successor acharya's for Prabhupada's institution. Shouldn't Prabhupada have been intelligent enough to know about this "Timeless Order™" principle? Why then does Prabhupada says he will tell us who will be the guru?

Certainly, out of the nearly 100 “acharyas” the GBC has manufactured, you would think at least one of them must have some statement from Prabhupada saying, “now you become guru.” Amazingly, not a single one has any statement from Prabhupada authorizing them to become diksha gurus after his departure. Thus, it is clear that Srila Prabhupada didn’t want any of these people to be his successor, otherwise he would have told us “Now, you become acharya. 

You become authorized.” After all, it was he who said “I shall say who is guru”.
Some may say that Prabhupada appointed the original 11 zonal acharya's as the successor acharya's, but...

1) There is no recorded evidence that such an authorization ever took place. Prabhupada clearly said he would tell who will be guru, yet that instruction has never been given.

2) The only remotely relevant "evidence" (the appointment tape) has been forensically tested and found to have been tampered with/edited and as such inadmissible. Even that tape does not state that these people will be the successor acharya's of ISKCON.

3) From Prabhupada's own words he was not about to create "rascal gurus". Out of the original 11 zonal acharya's, a very high percentage later were exposed as this very same "rascal guru" that Prabhupada was not going to authorize. Thus, from Prabhupada's own words, it is clear he never authorized these 11 to be successor acharya's for his institution.

4) Tamal Krishna Maharaja has stated that Prabhupada never appointed a successor (Pyramid House Talks, 1980).

If Prabhupada never appointed successor gurus, and if Prabhupada clearly says "I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru: 'Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.'", on what grounds does the GBC then fall back onto the Timeless Order™ concept, rejecting Prabhupada's statement that he would say who is guru?

Again, Srila Prabhupada's conclusion is quite a prophecy:

Tamala Krishna: No rubber stamp.

Prabhupada: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective.

If someone rubber stamps gurus, without Prabhupada's direct order, they will cheat and not be effective. It is clear from the zonal acharya's who have fallen that they were rubber stamped, they cheated, and they were not effective. Again, go back to the original statement of Srila Prabhupada at the top of this essay, and read it through with an open mind. 

Can anyone honestly say that this isn’t an exact overview of the history of ISKCON after Srila Prabhupada’s departure? I provide the original quote below, so you can review it one more time considering all of the points we have mentioned:
"Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that 'This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure. 

They never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’ They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acharya. 

Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection." - Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 08-16-76, Bombay

Tuesday, June 28, 2022

ISKCON is mainly interested in money, power, buildings.



PADA: Some of the students at the Mayapur institute argued with PADA editor that we need a living person to connect us to Krishna. OK agreed, we have already thousands of Prabhupadanugas connecting people to Krishna. Unfortunately, in ISKCON they cannot connect people to Krishna since their living lineage contains illicit sex with men, women and children. The Vedas say that being connected to illicit sex with men, women and children guru programs is a ticket to hell. This is not a connection to Krishna.  

krishna1008: ISKCON ICC Attacks Srila Prabhupada's Rasa

LS: An ex-disciple recently posted "wisdom" from his ex-guru who wrote a message to encourage his ex-disciples after blooping with his female therapist.

"Take care of yourselves because otherwise you will be cheated like me when you understand the actual situation and dare say it. Good luck for you. May Krsna bless you with all good fortune.

The Lord loves you, but at present, we do not have any real contact with Him. Because we are constantly cheating each other, even over petty things, and we lie, steal, and do the needful ("By hook or by crook"), we have lost touch with reality and how we are negatively affecting the world.

Therefore, intelligent and balanced people are not interested in our movement.


[PADA: Well yep, we have the India ICC scholars who think pedophiles are able to absorb sins like Jesus, and the people who worship Jesus are fallen mlecchas. Anyone who does not worship pedophiles is a fallen mleccha, but if the mlecchas worship a pure devotee like Jesus -- that is bogus? And these are the scholars of ISKCON? And then one of their ICC scholars says the jnana mudra is Mayavada, because Krishna uses the jnana mudra are there are ancient deities of Madhva, Lord Chaitanya and others, using the jnana mudra etc?]

Although we are a process of self-realization, even 30-year-old devotees do not know who they are and hardly anyone has love of God, and if he does, he is branded as a sahajiya and crazy, or an opportunist. But we have seen that as soon as one deviates from the "party-line" he is considered a heretic and rejected, although any thinking person can understand that the time has come to search deeply within ourselves to find out why this movement is mainly interested in money, power, buildings and empty institutionalization without any real spiritual energy or power and with few realized souls, while the children are abused and neglected, and the women are used and exploited without real respect as equal partners in life."

[PADA: Mainly! Interested in money, power, buildings and empty institutionalization. Oh yep! While the children are abused and neglected. Oh yep. And the women are used and exploited. Triple yep. Told ya! ys pd] 


[Note* The above post is not mentioning the same guru fall-down as the letter below]



Monday, June 27, 2022

Bhakti Caru Swami Giving Ritvik Initiations (VIDEO)

 

PADA: Bhakti Caru was clearly playing all sides against one another for his own benefit. He kept saying that Srila Prabhupada is being minimized, but gave no clear indication how and why. He said that there is some corruption in ISKCON's management, but sits down and takes lunch with the self same "corruptors," pats them on the back, and hugs them in a loving embrace. And he says these corruptors are in fact, diksha gurus.  

"I love these guys (who are minimizing Srila Prabhupada!)" Then he gets sick, and some of his followers say he is sick from taking their sins, which means he is acting as a diksha guru and not a priest. OK he is all over the map on the issues. At the same time, he is one of the prime people in the room when Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned, and he just covers up that issue and make pretends nothing is wrong. 

So he was saying he is acting on Srila Prabhupada's behalf, aka as a ritvik, at least to some extent, at the same time numbers of his followers assumed he was taking their sins because he is a diksha guru. Meanwhile, he never really addresses the issue of all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations going on. So he is associated with the regime, but not part of it, sort of like Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Kirtanananda, Jayatirtha, Hansadutta etc. ... ok I am one of their gurus, but I am not one of the guru gang. I am the one pure apple on the tree full of rotten apples. 

Having your cake and eat it too? Anway, he was a cheer leader for the wrong side. And there are big repercussions for supporting a false guru regime. Pretty sure he has already found that out. You are supposedly acting on Srila Prabhupada's behalf, and yet supporting an illicit sex guru lineage, that makes you implicated in the regime and the victimization it creates. ys pd     


Dallas Abuse Case on "Cult News" Site

 Cult NewsHare Krishna teacher abuses children in Dallas - Cult News

PADA: Yep, and this was reported to the CPO? 

angel108b@yahoo.com 

====================

Cult News

Sponsored by the Cult Education Institute

Hare Krishna teacher abuses children in Dallas

Clergy Abuse, Uncategorized 2022-06-26

By Brian Birmingham

The International Society for Krishna Consciousness (also known as ISKCON, or colloquially as “the Hare Krishnas”) was founded in New York City in 1966, by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. In its heyday in the late 1960s and early 1970s, ISKCON was one of the most recognized new religious movements introduced to the United States. ISKCON enjoyed some positive attention in the media. George Harrison of the Beatles was one of the most noteworthy of the celebrities who helped to promote ISKCON.

History of scandal

As it grew in the US, ISKCON became increasingly controversial and was one of most notorious groups called “cults” drawing increasing attention based upon the behavior of its leadership and devotees. At times families tried to rescue their loved ones through interventions with cult deprogrammers.

ISKCON devotees

ISKCON was likewise plagued by scandal. This included its most influential leader in the 1980s. Ultimately that leader Swami Bhaktipada (aka Keith Gordon Ham) was criminally charged. Ham was one of the first Hare Krishna disciples in the United States and he ruled over the largest Hare Krishna community in the country near Moundsville, West Virginia. Ham eventually pleaded guilty to racketeering, fraud and conspiracy to commit murder. But he ended up only serving 8 years in prison.

ISKCON moved on to more scandal, which involved child abuse that took place within ISKCON boarding schools in the United States and India.

The reportedly horrific physicals and sexual abuse began in the 1970s and continued through the 1980s. A class-action lawsuit was filed in Dallas, Texas on behalf of the victims in 2001. ISKCON subsequently sought refuge in Federal Bankruptcy Court, which ultimately forced the adult children to accept a greatly reduced settlement.

ISKCON claimed it would implement sweeping changes to ensure that no such abuse would ever occur again.

Changes

One of the most important changes is that ISKCON temples became independent and autonomous legal entities. This insulated ISKCON regarding legal liability. So certain temples today are not officially “ISKCON” temples, but rather only ISKCON-affiliated. Under this arrangement, if a temple is sued for misconduct or abuse, the larger organization ISKCON itself theoretically cannot be held liable, leaving liable only the local temple and its leadership.

In Dallas, Texas the local leadership does business as the “Texas Krishnas, Inc.” This supposedly means that Dallas temple is wholly independent and not an ISKCON temple at all.

ISKCON has made a tremendous effort at public relations to burnish its tainted image. In the past twenty years, the organization has become adept at PR. Anuttama das, is now ISKCON’s “Minister of Communications” and he has done his best to soften the media perception of ISKCON and persuade the general public that ISKCON has changed, and for the better.

ISKCON has apparently curtailed most of its questionable activities.

But has it essentially changed, at least at the local level in Dallas, Texas?

Recent events prove that the answer to this question is “no.”

Abuse in Dallas

It has come to light the families of several students in the Dallas Hare Krishna school were interviewed by ISKCON’s “Child Protection Office,” which revealed that their children were being abused by a certain teacher there.

Dallas Krishna temple

The mother of one abused boy has written about abuses in the school on her Facebook page. She describes physical, psychological, and emotional abuse that her son endured. The boy was forced to urinate and defecate on himself, and was humiliated by the teacher in front of his classmates. The teacher would ridicule the boy, denigrating him and encouraging his classmates to do the same.

Investigation

Quotes from an ISKCON mother’s Facebook page as follows:

“The ISKCON Child Protection Office investigated this abusive teacher, and found her guilty of child abuse. She was removed from her position and is not teaching in the school today. However, at every step of the investigation the Dallas temple management, headed by the temple president, blocked the investigation by telling school administrators and others to lie, and by threatening families in various ways. After the Child Protection Office made their decision regarding the abusive teacher, the Dallas temple management further tried to undermine their judgment by threatening legal action against that office, in an effort to have their judgment and decision reversed.”

The only way that this family found resolution in their situation, was to physically move and leave Dallas entirely.

They’d been banned from the Dallas temple, and told that their services at the Dallas temple were no longer required.

Accountability

The leadership of the Dallas Hare Krishna temple is no more accountable or transparent than they were in 1972. And the abuse within the local Hare Krishna school in Dallas is still apparently going on as the hierarchy of this temple chose to side with the teacher, not the students and their families.

Despite all of the public relations efforts of Anuttama das and whatever he might say to sway the media, the Hare Krishnas, at least in Dallas, have not substantially changed, it seems, very much at all.

Note: Brian Birmingham is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts in Boston with a BA in Psychology and Sociology. He is a native of Dallas.

child abuse, Hare Krishna, ISKCON

[PADA: Some folks are suggesting taking this to the broader media such as the Dallas Newspapers, or even the New York Times. That seems to be the problem, the GBC does not listen to complainants very well, and thus more people feel they have to go to the outside authorities and medias etc. ys pd]  


Friday, June 24, 2022

Basu Ghosh Banned from Speaking


A man can be guru, even if he is a pedophile,
a woman cannot be a guru,
even if she is a pure devotee.
That is the whole plan?


[PADA: This is really starting to be a problem for ISKCON. Men can be gurus, even if they are pedophiles like Lokanatha swami, but women cannot be gurus, even if they are pure devotees. Is this making any sense prabhus? Probably not! 

Generally, women have ALSO been the number one complainants about the child molesting and how did your guess, their complaints were minimized and neglected. A number of them were forced out of the ISKCON communities.

Then, Bhakti vikas swami writes that women should be "Mothers and not Masters" because they should not try to boss around those of us ISKCON leaders who are promoting pedophiles as God's successors, ok like BVKS, Basu Ghosh and their India ICC pedo-guru lover's club. As soon as they see a nice pedophile walking around, they fall off their chairs and think they have seen Jesus re-incarnated. 

But! As soon as some woman comes up and says, "hey there is a molesting problem here," she is ignored, or is forced to leave the community etc. How can a spiritual movement grow with such a policy?  

Women should happily participate in a society that worships illicit sex with men, women and children "gurus" without griping and moaning criticisms towards us "leaders."  This is not going to end well. As for Anuttama, he also has not really explained that child molesters are not acharyas either, nor is a child molesting guru lineage bona fide. Anyway, here is their latest round of interactions: 

ys pd]      


Home Base: ISKCON Baroda

Camp: College Park, Maryland, USA

Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

I am reaching out to you to share my side of the story about Anuttama Prabhu’s ban on my lecturing in ISKCON North American temples. There are always two sides to every story, and both should be heard.

Anuttama Prabhu never spoke with me before banning me. In doing so, he 
spread misleading and false statements. I wrote my concerns to him, but he said he still feels that NOT speaking to me beforehand was appropriate.

But what would ordinary Americans think of this kind of justice? In America, even for a traffic ticket, one will get the chance to appear in court to contest the allegation before punishment is applied.

But in my case, I was tried, sentenced and punished without my knowledge, what to speak of deliberately not being given an opportunity to first face the allegations and defend myself. Most people in the world, including America, would be disgusted with this kind of injustice — guilty by accusation, with no due process.

Nonetheless, Anuttama Prabhu advocates for an ISKCON constitution with a
devotee "bill of rights." Ironically, the way he has dealt with me in this case shows why ISKCON needs a “bill of rights.”

But even without a bill of rights, the shastras say that justice requires hearing both sides before reaching a verdict. In the Uttara Kanda of Valmiki Muni's Ramayana, Lord Rama Himself heard the testimony even of a dog before deciding a case. With or without an ISKCON Bill of Rights, no one should be beneath first being heard.

But in my particular case, reaching out to me to first get my side of the story would have been the decent thing to do. And contempt shown for even that small courtesy cannot remain hidden. If those who come to our society learn of these type of dealings, they will lose faith in the integrity of our society, what to speak of insiders.

I have included a narration of my side of the story along with all of the correspondence in this regard between Anuttama Prabhu and myself.

You can judge for yourself.
dasanudas,
Basu Ghosh Das

WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308

===========================

P.S. You will find below the following texts:

1) My side of the story

2) Anuttama’s letter to Basu Ghosh dated 1 June 2022

3) Basu Ghosh’s reply to Anuttama dated 2 June 2022

4) Anuttama’s reply to Basu Ghosh dated 3 June 2022

5) Anuttama’s further reply to Basu Ghosh dated 7 June 2022


##### My side of the story #####

On Saturday, May 21, I attended the wedding of a godbrother’s daughter at Philadelphia, and that is where I met Krishna Kirtan Prabhu, the head of ISKCON at Delaware. I have been staying with my youngest son, who is working here at Newark, Delaware, and I had heard there was a center here, although I did not know the location.

When we met, we spoke and he was very nice, and during our talk it was
decided that I would visit and give the Sunday feast lecture on the following Sunday, May 29. Krishna Kirtan Prabhu told me to come early, at 9:30 AM if we wanted breakfast. My wife and my son accompanied me there, which was about a 20-minute drive from Newark. 

Kirtan was in progress when I arrived, and my family members took the breakfast, but I did not. At around 11:30 AM, taking permission from
Krishna Kirtan Prabhu. I did notice that about half of the attendees
were “white bodied”, two or three African Americans, and the rest Indians. There was more chanting of various harinam kirtans, and I adopted an interactive method, asking if the listeners understood the words. When they expressed that they did not, I explained in English the meanings of the Samskrita words. After harinam kirtan, I did Jaya Radha Madhava kirtan, and again, I took to explaining each word’s English meaning.

Then — I can’t remember exactly how it occurred (apparently there is no
recording of the talk) — but I asked for Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 10, and
I mentioned that there is a Vedic educational syllabus, and it’s the syllabus mentioned in SB 10.45.33-36. I read that and was explaining it, again, explaining the meanings of the Samskrita words.

The lecture went into a question period, and during the discussion, I quoted Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25: 

strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā
karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ śreya evaṁ bhaved iha
iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam

“Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.”

While explaining the meaning of this verse, I mentioned that at Sandipani Muni’s gurukula, where Krishna and Balaram took instruction from him, only boys from the three higher castes were allowed, not women, shudras or unqualified members of the twice-born. On hearing this, one white bodied woman in the audience said: “this is making me feel bad”.

At that point I responded, “well, even I am not qualified to study the Vedas”, “and therefore the Mahabharata, the Bhagavatam, and the Gita, that is from the Mahabharata, we read. We read all of these books, there is no prohibition for anyone to study these books”.

The talk ended, and arati began, and I left in the middle of the arati to take prasad, as I was to head to ISKCON Philadelphia for the evening lecture. After taking prasad, as I headed to our car, I saw another one of the white bodied ladies - she was somewhat older, in her late 40s or 50. I asked her, “if I made any mistake during my talk, kindly excuse me”, to which she immediately replied, smiling and with enthusiasm, “no, nothing wrong at all, your lecture was great”!

Just afterwards, Krishna Kirtan Prabhu came to my car — we were unable to talk between the end of my talk and during my taking prasad. I asked him, “Prabhu, was there anything wrong that I said”, and he replied, “no, nothing”. My wife and my son heard this - they are witnesses. 

A couple of days later, on Tuesday, I received a letter from Anuttama Das (GBC), informing me that I disturbed the entire Delaware congregation. He wrote, “As you know, your talk caused quite a disturbance”. I was shocked to read this. I had no idea that this not only had become a big issue but the announcement that I was banned was first sent to the ISKCON NA leadership without first consulting me.

Also, some other devotees soon informed me that posted on ISKCON Delaware’s FaceBook page was a public letter condemning my presentation given that day. This was especially surprising, since I did check with one of the Western ladies and with Krishna Kirtan Prabhu, as mentioned above. If Krishna Kirtan Das had at the time actually felt that what I said had caused a major disturbance, he should have told me, and we could have dealt with the matter there and then. But if at the time he actually had been truthful with me, at what point did he change his
mind, and why?

And finally, last Saturday, June 10, I met the lady devotee from Delaware that I mentioned above, and the festival after the NYC Rathyatra, at Washington Square Park. She reiterated to me that my talk was fine, and there was no disturbance caused as alleged by Anuttama Das. She was also kind enough to give me her name and phone number.

##### Anuttama’s letter to Basu Ghosh dated 1 June 2022 #####

Letter PAMHO:33313776 (36 lines)

From: Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America)

Date: 01-Jun-22 21:52 (17:52 -0400)

To: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [216561]

Attached: 33313776.eml (6135 bytes) "Original email file"

Subject: Regret to Inform You

------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Basu Ghosh prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

It was brought to my attention about the incident in Delaware when you gave
the Sunday Feast talk last weekend. As you know, your talk caused quite a disturbance.

You may not know that the temple felt it was such a big problem that today they wrote a letter of apology to the entire community. Also, one of the women in the audience, who had been doing regular service, stated she will not return to the temple. Other devotees (men and women) were also disturbed and talked with me about it.

So, all things considered, I have to request you to not give any more classes or any kind of public talk at the temples in my zone, or at events they are hosting or organizing. I will be informing the Presidents of these temples of the same. (DC, New V, Harrisburg, Chicago, Naperville, St. Louis, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Delaware, Alachua, Tampa, Tallahassee and surrounding areas.)

Of course, there is no prohibition against you visiting any of these temples, having darshan, or joining the kirtan, taking prasada, etc. I knew you were travelling in the US and in this area. I was hoping you would refrain from speaking in such divisive ways. You certainly knew in advance that such topics would be upsetting and undermining to our preaching.

I regret having to make this decision, but your words caused a lot of pain and have forced my hand. I can't risk another community or devotee becoming so disturbed.

Your servant,

Anuttama dasa

(Text PAMHO:33313776) --------------------------------------

##### Basu Ghosh’s reply to Anuttama dated 2 June 2022 #####

Dear Anuttama Prabhu,

Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

Received your message, seen below this.

Until you wrote to me, I was unaware that this was an issue. Why did neither you nor anyone else contact me before you took this action? What exactly did I say that was so upsetting to the entire community? Was it really the entire community or just one or two people who attended the talk?

Do you have any recording of the lecture, and did you refer to it when making your decision? It seems to me that you are being grossly unfair for taking action
without a friendly query — after all we are working together on the MEB — or at worst a formal show cause notice, asking for an explanation.

If you had contacted me before taking this action, this might have been resolved in any number of more collegial ways. If anyone here is being divisive, it’s you.

dasanudas,

Basu Ghosh Das

P.S. Please send me a copy of the letter that was sent to the Delaware congregation that you referred to in your letter.


##### Anuttama’s reply to Basu Ghosh dated 3 June 2022 #####


Letter PAMHO:33316745 (253 lines) [M1]

From: Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America)

Date: 03-Jun-22 17:09 (13:09 -0400)

To: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [216602]

Reference: Text PAMHO:33314975 by Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)

Attached: 33316745.eml (31334 bytes) "Original email file"

Subject: Re: Regret to Inform You

------------------------------------------------------------

June 3, 2022

Dear Basu Ghosh prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I write this with the understanding that you are my senior godbrother and I respect you as such. You are a loyal and long standing servant of Srila Prabhupada. I find your association on the MEB to be very valuable, and I appreciate that we have worked together now for some years.

I sincerely hope that this situation will not impede our ability to serve together in other areas. I respond to your email in the hope this will add some clarity regarding how I understand my duty, and the decision I took.

I am surprised that you wrote that you are unaware there was a problem. I suggest that this itself is evidence of the problem. As I wrote, you recently caused a major disturbance in Delaware:

*"... the temple felt it was such a big problem that today they wrote a letter of apology to the entire community. Also, one of the women in the audience, who had been doing regular service, stated she will not return to the temple. Other devotees (men and women) were also disturbed and talked with me about it...."*

Preaching in the west—as established by Srila Prabhupada—is different than in India. It requires sensitivity to time, place and the differences in our local circumstances here. You are certainly aware that in America we have women Temple Presidents, Zonal Supervisors, and GBC members who are demonstrating the proof of Srila Prabhupada's teaching that the "boys and girls" can both awaken, and spread, Krishna consciousness. ("You are all very intelligent boys and girls and I have full faith in you for pushing on this movement all over the world.")

We have large numbers of women coming to our temples, looking for a place where they can practice spiritual life without fear of exploitation, sexism, or being treated as second class citizens. I believe ISKCON offers that opportunity, and we have to nurture that environment for all our guests and devotees.

Your opinion on women's roles, and their "place" in ISKCON, are different. As Bhima prabhu knows, since you have copied him here, your opinions are strongly expressed, and you have shown your unwillingness to modify them even when shown contradictory evidence.

I was hoping that during your North American visit, you would avoid topics that unnecessarily disturb our members and guests. Anticipating what might have happened, and based on your well-known views, as the GBC for this area I could have limited your speaking venues in advance.

Instead, we gave you the chance to speak unhindered — expecting you would
speak appropriately. But, as confirmed by several witnesses, in front of an audience with many westerners you chose (or perhaps unconsciously couldn't help yourself) to disturb the audience by teaching / commenting that women are not to read the Veda / sastra ... and similar other points about the limitations of women.

When, during an extended question and answer period, you were given the
opportunity to correct or modify your remarks, or put them into a modern
ISKCON context (perhaps mentioning that in ISKCON there are no barriers. Women in ISKCON are brahmanas, Temple Presidents, GBC members, etc., or quoting from Srila Prabhupada's statements about how fools and rascals don't understand his mission of engaging both boys and girls) you instead replied "don't shoot the messenger."

(There was no recording of the class. The devotee that usually records was travelling. But, I heard reports from several devotees present.)

Even in your email message to me, if you reread it, you will note that you:

Did not apologize for any disturbance that you caused: 

Did not mention that my email caused you to think about what you could have done better:

Did not explain how if you had a chance, in the future, you would be more careful:

Did not suggest, or ask about, how you can correct the damage done:

In short, you avoided the kind of responses I would expect from someone who has the ability to reach our western audiences would naturally think about.

On this point, prabhu, with all the humility I can muster, you just seem unaware of the current context in the west, and you seem intent--consciously or unconsciously--to advocate for your concepts of how society should be organized--and especially how women / Vaishnavis should *not* be given full opportunity to advance in Krishna consciousness, or to take up the many services that they thrive doing in North America.

You may feel that this works in some parts of India, but it is harmful to the Krishna conscious sentiments of many, many in the United States.

And you know that. You have heard that many, many times from western leaders. And, it is not something you needed a "warning" about. 

When I first heard of this incident, I phoned some of the Presidents in my area. They were already talking about it even before I knew of it.  Some of them told me they previously decided to not allow you to speak because of past experiences (of your comments not only about women, but criticism of the GBC, etc).

I mulled over what to do, and based on understanding that my duty is to first and foremost care for the Krishna consciousness of devotees in this area, to ensure a favorable environment for everyone to practice Krishna consciousness, and based on my experience of your opinions about various women/Vaishnavi issues, I determined that discussing it further with you would make no difference. It would bear the same fruit as multiple other conversations about this topic in the past: 

You will adhere to your views on how women should not be fully engaged and
empowered in Krishna consciousness...and you will continue to advocate those every chance and venue you have.

You certainly have a right to those opinions, but when I am told-- by multiple sources--how devotees were upset, and some even left your class so disturbed and frustrated that they say they will never return to our temples -- I have to draw the line. 

I recognize you may not agree with this decision, but we all have to do our best to serve Srila Prabhupada in our respective areas of service. Please know that I harbor no personal ill feelings against you. I wish you the best and I hope we will be able to serve respectfully together in other venues.

But, in this instance, I have to first and foremost do what I understand is best for the devotees and communities in my area of responsibility.

Your servant,

Anuttama dasa

##### Anuttama’s further reply to Basu Ghosh dated 7 June 2022 #####




---------- Forwarded message ---------

Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 5:56 PM

Subject: Modification, from Anuttama dasa

To: Basu Ghosh Das <basughoshdas@gmail.com>

CC: Bhima Das <bhimadas@gmail.com>

June 7, 2022

Dear Basu Ghosh prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Bhima prabhu, who was copied on our exchanges, wrote to me and asked me to modify the restriction on your lecturing in temples in my zone. You had also asked me to change my decision, feeling it was premature. 

After consideration, and with the understanding that we all—including myself—make mistakes, but knowing that in Krishna consciousness there is always opportunity for improvement, I'm willing to change my decision and withdraw the prohibition on your speaking. To do so, I need you to first take two simple steps:

1. Write a letter to the Delaware devotees (directed to the Temple President Krishna Kirtan prabhu and cc to me) apologizing for your insensitive remarks during your lecture there. To set the record straight please clarify in your letter that — despite whatever restrictions may have existed in the past — Srila Prabhupada in his words and actions encouraged women to study sastra, take responsibility for preaching, teaching, and spreading Krishna consciousness, especially in the west.

2. That you promise, in writing separately to me, that while in North America:

a. To avoid any statements in your talks that demean or diminish the role of women in ISKCON, or discourage their full participation in our ISKCON society.

b. To not disparage or undermine Srila Prabhupada’s strategy for preaching in the West, which includes to fully engage both boys and girls / men and women.

“However, since both the boys and girls are being trained to become preachers, those girls are not ordinary girls but are as good as their brothers. Therefore, to engage both boys and girls in fully transcendental activities is a policy intended to spread the Krsna consciousness movement.” (CC 7.31-32)

If questioned on such matters (as we all are from time to time) I suggest you explain that Lord Caitanya taught we should not discriminate in spreading Krishna consciousness; and that Srila Prabhupada encouraged women to take up the mantle of spreading Krishna consciousness. You can also mention that in North America we have many qualified women leaders.

c. To avoid publicly criticizing the GBC, its members, or other ISKCON leaders in North America.

Certainly, among us as senior leaders within ISKCON, it is appropriate to have frank, open and constructive conversations about ISKCON, our leadership and its/our shortcomings. But, those should be done in the proper venues, and not publicly in front of new devotees and guests, or during a Sunday Feast lecture or other public classes such as Srimad Bhagavatam class.

If you agree to the above, I will share your letters with the North American Council leaders (who also raised concerns), and instruct the Presidents in my region that there is no prohibition against your speaking, and they are welcome to invite you to speak.

While some temple leaders may not invite you at this time due to their past experiences, I believe that when this agreement is completed and you demonstrate during your visits that you can abide by it, the number of venues open to you will increase. (Please be careful in following these guidelines so that North American leaders, including myself, don't find it necessary to again enact restrictions.)

I hope this is agreeable to you. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you. Hare Krishna.
Your servant,
Anuttama dasa

##### END OF CORRESPONDENCE #####

Sample Of ISKCON GBC Doublespeak (Hee hee!)

The disciple will go to great lengths in order to protect their fallen guru… In actual fact they are not really fallen for they were never elevated to fall down in the first place.

Devotee: “So Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted all his disciples to become a dīkṣā guru?”
Disciple: “Yes, absolutely! He wanted all his direct disciples to become dīkṣā guru.”
Devotee: “No matter what the particular disciple’s level of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?’
Disciple: “What? Yeah! They all are pure devotees,”
Devotee: “All of them? So to please Śrīla Prabhupāda all of them have to become gurus? So then what happens when they all die? Do they also want their disciples to be dīkṣā gurus as well? Or does this only refer to the direct disciples of Śrīla Prabhupāda?”
Disciple: “Of course when our gurudev goes back to Kṛṣṇa after his mission here on earth is over we are to become dīkṣā gurus too.”
Devotee: “But isn’t it common practice now that the GBC encourage all disciples of fallen or dead gurus to take shelter of some other ISKCON guru?”
Disciple: “What?” Oh yeah… Well I suppose so, when you think of it. We were all with Kṛṣṇa as gopis like our gurudev but we have forgotten that, some more than others, so we need to be properly trained before we can become pure enough to be a guru.”
Devotee: “So all devotees both trained and untrained are in actual fact gopis, so we are kind of a collection agency that is here to facilitate the return of the reformed gopis back again to be with Kṛṣṇa? So in order to be reformed we have to become gurus to go back to Kṛṣṇa? Only gurus can go back to Godhead?”
Disciple: “I don’t know for sure but that makes sense I suppose so you would have to be a guru to go back to Godhead, why not?”
Devotee: “So let me get this right. Our line is a dīkṣā line specifically designed to facilitate the return of any wayward gopi who wants to return back to Kṛṣṇa. So is this the same for any of the other relationships with Kṛṣṇa like the gopa’s etc? Or is it purely for Gopis?”
Disciple: “Well sure if your guru is a Gopa then you will naturally be attracted to them I suppose.”
Devotee: “Wow that is incredible! I have never read this before anywhere in Śrīla Prabhupāda books can you show me where these quotes are?!”
Disciple: “Well I… not right now but they are there I can assure you! I will ask one of my more senior godbrothers for they have actually read Prabhupāda’s books.”
Devotee: “So you have not made a careful study of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books?”
Disciple: “No. Why would I need to when my spiritual master teaches us all that we need to know.”
Devotee: “So you have never thought to check what you know and believe about Kṛṣṇa consciousness by making your own personal study of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s Books and lectures etc.”
Disciple: “Why would I when I have not only my own gurudev’s lectures I have all his wonderful Godbrothers lectures and tapes! They teach us all we need to know to go back to Kṛṣṇa. All glories to Gurudev!”
Devotee: “Prabhu, getting back to the ‘all Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disciples are diska guru’s / gopis…’ You know there are a lot of Śrīla Prabhupāda disciples who believe that Śrīla Prabhupāda did not mean that they were to be dīkṣā gurus; that he was the only diska guru and that he wanted everyone to be śikṣā guru.”
Disciple: “Prabhu I heard that Gurudev says that these devotees are demons in disguise sent to destroy ISKCON from within! You best not associate with these types of devotees for they are demoniac.”
Devotee: “Demons? So not all of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disciples are to be dīkṣā gurus?”
Disciple: “Only the ones that follow Śrīla Prabhupāda, the rest are demoniac”
Devotee: “So you believe that you only need to hear from your gurudev to understand what is in Śrīla Prabhupāda books and that is enough. But what about when Śrīla Prabhupāda states time and time again that you must read my books?”
Disciple: “Yes I read them whenever I get the chance. I am very busy being engaged full time in devotional service to please gurudev. I don’t have the time to read and my gurudevs lectures are as good as Śrīla Prabhupāda’s Books.”
Devotee: “So you are engaged in full time devotional service? But surely one must be on the brahmā bhuta platform… Okay so let me get this right Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted all disciples once their guru has left his body to become dīkṣā gurus and initiate disciples all over the world for they would all be automatically qualified to take their own disciples simply because they were Prabhupāda disciples. Then their own disciples don’t have to read Śrīla Prabhupāda books to understand this philosophy all that the disciples have to do is listen to their guru’s taped lectures or read their guru’s books in order to become pure devotees themselves and go on to initiate others.”
Disciple: “Yes, this process is really very simple”
Devotee: “So now you have your gurudev and his friends you don’t really need Śrīla Prabhupāda at all anymore?”
Disciple: “What? Oh yeah… of course you need Śrīla Prabhupāda for he is the… I mean to say he is the founder of ISKCON and we must pay our respects to the founder of ISKCON. If you didn’t that would be like jumping over the head of the guru… I mean past Ācāryas wouldn’t it!”
Devotee: “I kind of understand your logic but let me try and understand… Śrīla Prabhupāda is dead and so his time is over and now the GBC select who is a dīkṣā guru and who is a siksa guru… this is not seemingly such a simple process? How is it that the GBC members know who to allow and who to disallow?
Disciple: “They are dīkṣā gurus aren’t they? Of course whatever they say is correct and the absolute truth! Śrīla Prabhupāda while we respect him and love him dearly as do our gurudev he can no longer give us any real instruction for he is dead. Kṛṣṇa consciousness can only be passed on by a living guru who you can ask questions of to aid you in your spiritual life.”
Devotee: “Prabhu is that all anyone needs? Just to listen to their gurudev and they will become pure devotees? I suppose your gurudev takes his time with you to answer all of your questions personally?”
Disciple: Umm. Yes… Well not exactly. I have never asked any questions directly from him for he is way too busy but he answers all my questions in his lectures or his dearest disciples answer them for me.
Oh but I forgot a very important part! It is in the fire sacrifice by the living guru that divya jñāna is transferred…”
Devotee: “What? I mean to say that this transfer takes place through the fire yajña? In some mystical way?”
Disciple: “Yes! You understand. Once a person has accepted a bona fide spiritual master bhakti is transplanted in their hearts through the fire sacrifice!” It is like a power station that supplies power to all homes and factories. You need to be connected to the power grid to get bhakti.”
Devotee:”Oh where did you read that? Did your gurudev explain this to you?”
Disciple: “I cannot remember? I read it or heard it somewhere? Maybe in class? I don’t know but it is true.”
Devotee: “This is all very mystical”
Disciple: “Yes it is beautiful prabhu! Gurudev is so inspiring. He knows exactly what is in my heart!”
Devotee: “Please let me understand you correctly… You don’t have to read and understand Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books or his instruction because it is simply a mystical transfer of divya jñāna that is ‘conducted’ via the fire yajña, so ultimately you don’t really have to read any books or truly understand the philosophy as it is really transferred to you when you sit at the yajña… Wow Prabhu this is surely very mystical!”
Disciple: “Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very mystical indeed and our gurudev is so merciful to us all Prabhu! All glories to Śrīla Gurudev!”
Devotee: “Prabhu what happens if someone’s guru dies or falls down? Do the disciples automatically become dīkṣā gurus?”
Disciple: “Umm… I suppose so… Well that is up to the GBC for as you know they control who becomes a diska guru.”
Devotee: “Do you know that there are only 90 dīkṣā gurus out of perhaps thousands of direct disciples of Śrīla Prabhupāda? So the GBC do seem to be in somewhat strict control over who gets to be a guru in ISKCON after all it has been well over thirty years since Śrīla Prabhupāda left and only 90 gurus have been accepted. Surely if Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted all his disciples to be gurus then there would now be thousands of gurus?”
Disciple: “Prabhu this is not up to me. This is up to my superiors in the GBC to decide. I am a humble follower of my gurudev that is all.”
Devotee: “But still not all of Śrīla Prabhupāda direct disciples are now dīkṣā gurus even though you say that Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted all of his disciples to become dīkṣā guru?”
Disciple: “Yes they must be qualified.”
Devotee: “What is that qualification then prabhu? Did you read that Śrīla Prabhupāda has said that a bona fide spiritual master is someone who has seen the truth, someone who has seen Kṛṣṇa directly. So if the GBC are being very selective in who becomes a guru and a guru is a pure devotee who has seen Kṛṣṇa then one would expect that our existing gurus would be śuddha bhakta’s who have actually had tattva darsanah and so can never fall down? Then can you please explain why nearly every one of our gurus over these decades have eventually fallen down, many times in the most disgraceful manner?”
Disciple: “I cannot say anything about this… many stories are told by envious devotees but there is no proof and I think maybe they are all lies told by envious people. Even if they are true then how can we judge? How can we tell what is right and what is wrong when dealing with the activities of the pure devotees when we ourselves are not pure? These devotees have given up everything to give us shelter, Kṛṣṇa knows how much they have given up, how much they have renounced in His name. We cannot judge… We cannot judge…”
Devotee: “But Prabhu many have admitted their fall down or have been caught in the act or witness or victims have come forward…”
Disciple: “We cannot judge we simply cannot judge… These are all lies like I said. Lies! Every last one of them! This is the demonic mentality that sees this filth prabhu. You must be the bee looking for honey not the fly looking for stool prabhu!”
Devotee: “Prabhu so you believe that once a person is appointed by the GBC as a guru he has had actual darśana of Kṛṣṇa and so they can never fall down and can do no wrong? Further that even if their activities are considered amoral or criminal we can never judge them for it would an offence to judge a pure devotee of the lord?”
Disciple: “Well errr… There is accidental fall down. A pure devotee may accidentally fall down due to their past bad association but they very soon rectify and go on serving the Lord.”
Devotee: “So a pure devotee, śuddha bhakta, one who has seen the Lord directly can fall down accidentally so long as they pick themselves up again? I see… So then the case…”
Disciple: “You must remember that as we are in māyā and so we cannot judge the activities of a pure devotee. Perhaps he is doing this simply to teach us!”
Devotee: “Teach us what not to do?” So you think that yoga māyā places them into illusion again in order to teach us what not to do?”
Disciple: “Yes! You got it!”
Devotee: “Have you ever considered that perhaps their whole career in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is to teach others what not to do?”
Disciple: “What? I don’t understand…”
Devotee: “Yes prabhu it does seem you don’t understand…