Friday, January 31, 2014

GBC and -- Tukarama?

JG DASA: What it comes down to, is whom you accept as your authority. What Tukuram's group is doing, and rest assured he is backed by many powerful gurus, as well as GBC members, in ISKCON, at least from my perspective, is subtly rejecting Srila Prabhupada's philosophy, and teachings. 

They are not only in promoting Veganism, but also their new movement, within the Krsna Consciousness Movement. They are claiming that these are Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but they are picking and choosing which ones to follow and rejecting the rest, that don't fit their agenda. They are taking over and changing everything from within. This is one of the reasons why Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures, conversations, and writings need editing and changing as well.

What they are doing is stating that Srila Prabhupada taught a philosophy, which was valid in the 1970's, but is no longer valid or useable today. What is valid today then? Veganism for one. We have to determine, each of us, individually, as well as a group, whether or not Srila Prabhupada's teachings are in fact valid today, and for all time, and not just in the early 1970's. We can't just state that they are, force people to accept that they, or demand that people accept us, or our teacher as the authority. We have to prove what the truth is in fact.

This is why I was objecting so vehemently to Tukuram's lecture. I know what he represents and what his agenda is. What should Srila Prabhupada's disciples do?

[PADA: Another "outside authority" line? Does anyone know more about this? ys pd]

Magh Mela (Slideshow)

Prabhupada Connect Site

Plastic Cup Kirtana

Ice Skating to Govindam Prayers

Banned Phoenix Devotees

*** This is one of a number of nice devotees who has been banned from the Phoenix temple by Hari Vilas (GBC). These devotees are always trying to spread the holy names around, and they have started the only Krishna cow protection goshala in the state of Arizona: 

Hare Krishna Ganapati Maharaj! As soon as I was trying to get into Phoenix Municipal Court, Rev Ray and his wife greeted me saying "Hare Krishna". They had noticed my chanting bag, and Tilak on forehead. Naturally, I stopped and greeted them back with Hare Krishna! 

Rev Ray explained that he has learnt Maha Mantra in Denver, Colorado. Not only that, he has listened to Bhagvad-Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Charitamrita. When I extended him an invitation to visit Hare Krishna Sankirtan Center in Tempe, this coming sunday at 5 PM he accepted gladly.

We parted, as I was getting late to my appointment- after taking his chanting video. We will meet again on Sunday. Its all Krishna's arrangement.

Hari Bol !
Jay Go Mata!!
Jay Gopal !!!
Jay Govinda !!!!

y h s,
Prayag Narayan Das

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Thursday, January 30, 2014

Harinama Devotee in India

Offering Chocolate to Krishna?

PADA: Yes, according to reports, some ISKCON temples offer chocolate to the deity, and some sell "chocolate prasadam." Yep, and some of the ISKCON appointed post-1977 "acharyas" eat chocolate, of course this is minor to their numerous other deviations. The main problem right now in ISKCON is that they offer bhogha to people who are eating chocolate, or they offer chocolate to people who are eating chocolate, or they make offerings to "gurus" who are watching the cheer leader girls on super bowl TV, and a number of these gurus are engaged in intoxication, illicit sex and so forth. 

And yet people are told they need to offer bhogha to people engaged in every manner of deviations. So this was our first question in 1978, why are we making bhogha offerings to conditioned souls, which means, it remains bhogha? So never mind chocolate, every food stuff now being consumed in ISKCON is bhogha, its not being offered to the parampara, its being offered to conditioned souls. 

There is no prasadam anywhere, and it does not matter if they offer chocolate or an apple, its not being accepted because they have changed the entire worship process. Worse, they force people to eat bhogha because when we protest their eating bhogha process, they kick us out. None of the food now taken in ISKCON is prasadam, unless in a few isolated cases where it is offered to the pure devotee -- because people listened to us. Chocolate is simply another layer of deviations built upon numerous previous layers of deviations. Jayatirtha was offering LSD to his shalagram, and when I protested, I was kicked out. Even LSD is considered as a bona fide offering under these clowns. They have no idea how to serve Krishna. ys pd

Many Updates Here (from Kanhaiya das)

Gods for Commercial Use? + news 1/30/14

To Me

Hare Krishna,

Gods on packages: Court trashes plea for ban
The Delhi High Court Wednesday refused to entertain a public interest litigation (PIL) seeking a ban on the use of images of Hindu deities and religious symbols on the packaging materials.

Krishna is the Supreme Controller
Krishna has created this nice world. How can I say it is mithya? It is the by-product of Krishna's energy. So Krishna's energy cannot be false. It is eternal. Krishna is eternal. 

The prediction that millions will come to our farms - Srila Prabhupada 
When people would be out of work or jobless, they would come to our farms by the millions and we would feed them prasadam, engage them and they would become devotees.

Jai Srila Prabhupada!

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014

Hare Krishnas Invade Apple Store

Krishna Book Changes Bogus + news

To Me
Jan 28 at 9:18 PM
Hare Krishna,

Madhudvisa Prabhu has gifted us with a complete list of the changes made to Srila Prabhupada’s Krishna Book: “The following links, one for each of the chapters in Srila Prabhupada’s “Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead“, will take you to a computer generated analysis of the changes which have been made by BBT to the book.

On a Society without Brains
The United Nations is meant for international activity, so our proposal is that the United Nations maintains an international organization of first-class intelligent men to act as the brains of society. Then people can be happy. But if you want to keep the hands and legs working without direction, without a brain, then you will never be successful.

Attaining peace from material miseries

Jai Srila Prabhupada!

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Conversation Among Ex-Gurukulis

[PADA: Related conversation here:]

M: I personally have girl friends that Radanath swami married off at 13-14 years old, and they asked for his help and he denied turned his back and said NO.

[PADA: Correct, Radhanath was part of the young girls and women "marriages" at New Vrndavana program, where allegedly, under age girls (13-14) were being married off. Why didn't any of the parents report this to the police? Worse, we were told some of these young girls were being married to "older men," as a "pay out" for being loyal to the regime. Of course this begs the question, why has Radhanath emerged as the number one hero of the GBC?]

*** These girls my friends suffered a great deal - till this day they are affected by just the mention of his name.

[PADA: Correct, many children suffered and they are suffering worse to see that people like Radhanath are still being worshiped as gurus in ISKCON.]

*** Shifting child abusers and Pedophiles from temple to temple. Then I have a lot of gurukuli friends that suffered with Kirtananda! And I see Radanath and a few other sanyasis offering obeisances to his samadi, like Radanath and Paramadwati. How is this ok? When my gurukuli brothers are commiting suicide because of what Bhaktipad did to them ... Bhaktipad raped little boys. Outrage doesn't cover how I feel about this. I don't care what friends I lose over this. Whats right is right and this is ALL wrong .... I'm not a gurukuli survivor for nothing, and I'm not staying quiet.

[PADA: Right, and GBC guru sympathizers like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad are still saying who cares about these suicides, they are angry anyone even tried to help that problem. Sanat challenged PADA exactly as the regime does; So what, because there are "not too many deaths." And now this group is working with Bhakta das, who is promoting Radhanath. In other words, the GBC and their allies want these kulis to suffer even worse by seeing the leaders of the regime that oppressed them -- worshiped as messiahs. 

Krishna Kirtan challenged PADA with the same questions as the regime's members and Sanat, "Well just how many died really"? That means they sympathize with the regime -- because they challenge us with the same questions the regime folks ask us, "how many died"? Apparently, they do not see enough blood on their jackboots already, they need to see WAY more blood before they will say, that is enough, and so -- lets help PADA with this issue. I don't know, how many dead bodies is enough to satisfy you folks? 

One ex-kuli said to us, even one dead person is WAY too many, and he is right. How many dead bodies do you folks want to see before your stone heart melts? Never mind, the karmis would be crying when there was just one dead body, because they are not heartless robot zombies. Sulochana said -- our challengers are mindless robot zombies, and he was right. He also said our challengers -- ok like the GBC / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad et al. are "boot lickers for the butt buggers," and again he was right. How many dead people do you folks want? You tell us, but one is too many already.]

HBE: I met him in 2009 for the first time at Rathayatra S.F. my friend published his book "a journey home". Anyways so my friend wanted me to meet Radhanath. You see my wife edited his book and was very moved by it. So I thought, hey I'll poke around the internet and see what comes up on him. I was shocked at what I read. So back to the Rathayatra in S.F. . so he was sitting in one of those typical iskcon tent booths. as i approach him (im about 10-15feet away) he looks at me and i at him. at first he had a look his eyes as if to say "are you not going to give me obeisances".

As he saw I was clearly not going to get on my belly his eyes changed to utter fear, as if he had wronged me somehow and now was payback. I squinted my eyes as to drill holes in his head with lasers and to show him my very unfriendliness towards him. I turn and left without saying anything. this was no longer then 5 seconds but it seemed to last for ever, as if time slowed down.

DT: You are courageous for speaking up M, while it seems these people have gotten away with damaging so many lives they have not, karma is a bitch as they say. to not know what true love is, to not understand pain is a life not lived and I believe people who are living their lives without true remorse for all the pain they have caused can never really live ... so its their loss ... the walking dead as they say. Many more lives they will have to come back and suffer. I hail you for speaking your truth and defending the many innocents who have died and suffered untold pain... if we don't speak up nothing will change.

[PADA: Died and suffered, right, refers to the suicide problem.]

J: The Buddha is frowning at him.

A: Say it loud and proud baby. We the survivors will always have your back. The fact that our brothers and sisters are still committing suicide is a testament to how downright evil these a**holes were / are.

D: Funny how the 60's are idolized as such a peace loving time ... the casualties of its cults are all but forgotten.

M: Ha i loved that u stared him down HBE.

D: We have been through some crazy sh*t. Till there is real justice nothings changed, if anything we are swept under the rug. Our abusers are thriving and giving bhagavatam class's and accepting disciples .... Naw man...... Thats bullshit. ... And all those that follow are tainted ..... they are becoming an unwillingly part of the abuse. If you turn ur back on what I'm saying (about the abuse) and worship these bogus spiritual leaders, then u are no better then him. ... We are stating facts and you need to listen. This is what people don't understand. Or want to face. If you support them u are no better then them.

M: Uou know it girl. Xoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxoxox

D: Speak the truth! yes! in an increasingly censored world it is so valuable

M: J, luv what u said. Lord Budha Frowns on him.

R: What I find disheartening and surprising is that there are so many gurukulis and sp disciples that still worship and idealize him - I just don't understand it at all - and honestly I have given up and don't associate with most people anymore - devotee and non- honestly tired of all the bs.

C: If you look at the posts of the followers of Radhanath Swami [offical] , many of them are mayavada thoughts . Nobody notes it either.

D: Maybe share some of your thoughts on his (Radhanath's) page...

M: (Radhanath is a) Slik mofo. I tried to see if i could but he has no POST option. Maybe i'll attach it to his article! As a comment.

D: Its shocking how many people 'like' him!

J: Radhanath Swami [Official] tag the a**hole!!

C: Srila Prabhupada: “Millions. Millions have been cheated, because they want to be cheated. God is omniscient. He can understand your desires. He is within your heart, and if you want to be cheated, God sends you a cheater.” (The Science of Self-Realization, chapter 2)

M: Lol J lol!! I love u!!!! Lol

L: There he goes again...trying to imitate Lord Buddha...again...tosser...

H: Blame the victim, Prabhupada!

[PADA: Who was apparently poisoned by a few of the leaders, making him a victim.]

H: Radhanatha can suck a f*rt out of my a**.

M: Lol my sentiment exactly.

Y: You are very brave to speak out. It is a tragedy the children of Srila Prabhupada's movement had to endure such abuse. And there are still so many "Gurus" going around collecting disciples, worrying about name and fame. Be very thankful P that you have found ways to heal and that your faith in Krishna is still ever present. There are so many devotees and gurukulis that have lost all faith in Krishna or the idea of "God" even because of all the bad experiences while living in temples. So sorry sister. Never forget Krishna is love. Once we go back to him, no one would hurt us. ...

M: Y -- Yes- very true. For me personally. Srila Gurudev saved my life . I have alot of my friends that went to gurukula with me and they asked me how can i go back to the temple? I explain - i never went back. What we were taught was not the right way. Judeo christan watered down vedas under the supervision of murders, child abusers and pedophiles is what they gave us mixed with a lot of 'this is your karma' . I support my friends that dont want anything to do with krsna - cause i know were it comes from. Trauma from Iskcon is no joke- Our paths are all different. What works for me some wouldn't even fathom working for them. i cant stay quite.

Y: Y -- Yes, and pure devotees like Srila Gurudev will continue to come and rescue souls form this material mess. The seeds are planted, eventually they would sprout and bear fruit. Paths are different indeed, we hope many of us get to reach the ultimate goal, some how some day.Big Hug. Radhe Radhe!!!

M: Xoxo Radhe Syam

C: Thank u for speaking on this i was never able to put it in words without sounding like the angry nubian guy, wit no appreciation for my exalted position as a gurukuli.

M: Lol I hear u C, I refuse to argue with iskcon folks. But they are gonna have to hear the truth whether they like it or not . They don't appreciate our positions at all lol.

C: Yeah, the last time I talked to a elder devotee about the ashram problems, she concluded -- (that is) with your past, is that now right? In which I replied no not really and walked away, I felt like when I was talking she just turned off the voulme till it was her turn and that's part of the bigger problem as well, no empathy (for the victims) and without empathy it's only a matter of time before monsters are created.

M: Yes! Very well said!!!!!!! Its bad. Its scary. I refuse to argue with any of them cause their lack of empathy scares the crap out of me and puts me in a state of PTSD like u wouldnt believe.

C: We are the evolved ones, we cannot be ruled by dogma or fear, no more wool over our eyes can happen, for we are aware and understand the true meaning of love and compassion to all of God's creations and beyond. Don't let their denial sway your resolve, they are stuck like a stick in the mud, we are not and that is what i call Victory!!!!!

[PADA: Exactly, as soon as we said there was a problem with these children starting in 1980, then these bogus cult people said we are liars, and people like Prahlad still say that today. They want to discredit us to save the bogus regime.]

M: I see so many devotees from srila gurudevs sanga engage in some philosophical arguments with some of these iskcon devotess. They are nasty. I dont understand the need to argue with them. Srila Prabhupada called his immediate associates the ones ruling in GBC a pack of monkeys. I wouldnt sit and argue with monkeys sorry. Cant do it. We dont speak the same language. At all. And im talking about the argumentive nasty uncompassionate ones. I have alot of sweet friends in iskcon. Misguided...Breaks my heart.

C: Yeah me too it's hard to comprehend at times.

M: Cause its bad and bad is usually incomprehensible..... To comprehend evil ...

C: That's how evil works it's trickery is such that it's hard to comprehend so many just go along for ride, that's why i say we are the evolved we comprehend and say screw that ride i'll walk!

M: Yup

Children of ISKCON - Jvalamukhi dd - Dallas $400m Gurukula Lawsuit

No wonder these ex-kulis have gone to another Matha are not interested in going back to ISKCON! Who can blame them! It reminds me of a girl I had a crush on in High School, she was asked to kiss her dead grandmother in a coffin, and she did. Then after that, she did not want kiss anyone else because it reminded her of that dreadful day she kissed a dead body. You cannot undo this type of damage easily. ys pd] 


PADA: Yes prabhu I do not get it either. Krishna Kirtan says the biggest problem is -- that we are facing a child sacrifice cult run by the demon world leaders. But, as soon as we say, ok fine, assuming you are right: Lets save children from suicide from that cult; Lets get hundreds of children pulled out of these schools -- so the future victims can be saved; Lets take millions of dollars out of the hands of this cult's leaders; Lets have the founder father of this program -- Tamal -- removed, then Krishna Kirtan cries like a baby that we are "destroying ISKCON" and he starts screaming like a stuck pig that we need to save this wonderful cult, which he apparently thinks sacrifices children, at least according a bunch of articles he posted?

Yes, he apparently thinks the problem is a child sacrifice cult, then he cries like a baby when this cult is pinched. Does he think a child sacrifice cult is ISKCON? I don't know, he keeps saying our taking this cult down a notch has ruined ISKCON. Umm, a child oppressing cult is ISKCON? Does he know what is ISKCON in the first place? He never explains any of this, that or the other, and thus who knows, he never answers any of this. All we know is, he is apparently mixing up child oppressing cults with ISKCON. ys pd


When me and Sulochaa said there was a molesting program, he was assassinated, and according to the FBI, I was "next of the list." The Berkeley police put me under surveillance and saved me when they sent three goons to hunt me down. Former New Vrndavana thugs claim that Radhanath "set up the hit."

Pete Seeger Departs (sings Raghupati Rama here)

Causeless Mercy Site: In Croatian


As you can see from 


translation into Croatian has begun. This is due to the selfless service of Mother Lea Kusanic Prabhu. The Croatian people are very special, and I'm sure that many of them will be forever grateful for her wonderful service to Śrīla Prabhupāda. 

[PADA: Great work. While all sorts of noisy frogs are croaking loudly, our Prabhupadanuga programs are doing the real work of  -- getting out Srila Prabhupada's teachings all over the place. Good job Pratyatosa das! Some of our nice Prabhupadanugas in Montreal (Canada) also are from Croatia, its an important language for us. ys pd] 

Temple Project Manager Needed Now!

[PADA: This local program is an important project for all sincere Prabhupadanugas everywhere. We have had a lot of success with our independent Prabhupadanuga home programs like that of Dhamaghosha prabhu in Seattle, and similar programs in Montreal, Vancouver, Los Angeles and many other places. And our Prabhupadanuga publications written over the years are having a big impact on the entire ISKCON situation, so much so, even people living in ISKCON temples have wrote to tell us they are on board. So there has been some baby steps of progress. 

We also have a small group of Prabhupadanugas here in the Berkeley area, with more spread out around the whole San Francisco Bay Area. And there are small groups of "Prabhupada centered" folks in places like Los Angeles, Alachua, Prabhupada Village in North Carolina and so on, but none of these programs has a first class truly independent large temple model / example. Our biggest problem to date is that when we have some devotees who are living outside, or even in various ISKCON temples, and they sympathize with our process, we do not have a large and functioning facility they can really get behind and participate in.

So this new temple proposal here in the Bay Area is the next step forward for us, to make a first class large scale temple program -- that can act as an example -- and a beacon -- to show how this should be done. We are confident when this temple is constructed, and there are big programs going on, this will attract many more people to the Lotus Feet of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna, and will act as a platform for the scattered devotees to rally around. 

The San Jose area is very good economically and devotees from anywhere can easily move here and find some sort of livelihood, because every type of job is in demand here. So this will hopefully start a sort of varnasrama community with people living in and around this project (There are already some Russian refugees from ISKCON coming to the Sunnyvale program).

The devotees here are very sweet, friendly, mature, sincere, and dedicated to serving Srila Prabhupada's mission. There is no childish infighting and other silly things going on here, because everyone knows they have to cooperate for a higher purpose. So we wish this program all success, which will also be a milestone in the history books of how the Krishna consciousness movement was revived in the West. This will show people that our idea of emphasis on Krishna's Lotus feet and Srila Prabhupada's teachings works, so we hope all of you will lend us your support and well wishes. And if you know someone who can do this job below, please write to the address below. ys pd]


Hare Krishna!

A good Job opportunity for those interested! Please forward to your friends if you think they can fit the requirement. (H4 candidates are welcome to apply)

We are looking for a smart, self-driven, committed person to work in a project management role for our temple. We are embarking on a 12 million dollar temple project in an 80 acre land. We are looking for some one who would love to be part of this monumental project. 

Candidate requirements :

At least 3 years of corporate experience in a project lead role in any field, including IT. 
Need to have DL and be able to use personal car. 
AUTO CAD experience is a plus, but not a strict requirement.
Will be reimbursed for travel expenses. 
Good compensation package. 
Flexible work hours and location (20 - 30 hrs per week). 
Great way to continue building work experience.
Send resume with references. 
For immediate start. 
We want to fill position in 2-3 weeks max.  

Send resume to
Job description : Job involves working with Santa Clara County planning and building departments (meetings/drawing approvals etc), working with various engineers/architects, driving to various places in the county to get things done, working with soil engineers, contractors, sub-contractors; exploring ways of value engineering etc. 

More details about the new temple project :

Yours in service of Sri Krishna Balaram and Srila Prabhupada,
-KB Mandir New Temple Project Team

India Heritage Foundation
1235 Reamwood Avenue
Sunnyvale California 94089
United States

Narayan Maharaja Saves Satsvarupa?

[PADA: We do not endorse all the points made by this writer, but he has some interesting observations.]

*** I get regular mailings from the Pure Bhakti website of Narayan Maharaj's sangha. The last few days have been full of messages citing Narayan Maharaj's warnings about Ananta Das Baba. Today was the bouquet, as we say in French, as the headlined audio file was "Satsvarupa Goswami confirms Srila Narayan Maharaja saved him and others from Ananta Das Babaji."

So the Narayan Maharaj followers -- that were so condescending and critical of Satsvarupa and the other Iskcon leaders who flirted with defecting to their guru or taking instruction from him but then capitulated to institutional pressure, are now lionizing the very same man because "Narayan Maharaj saved him from Ananta Das Babaji, a fate worse than death for sure. Saved from what, exactly? Radha-dasya? Raganuga bhajan? Erotic adventures with Bengali widows in Radha Kund?

[PADA: The GBC has been "flirting" with various "outside gurus" and authorities all along. They hooked up with "shiksha gurus" like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, BV and BP Puri, and the Mahanidhi swami crowd was hooked up with various Radha Kunda babajis as their authorities. Of course Srila Prabhupada had said we should avoid these Gaudiya Matha folks and Radha Kunda babajis as our authorities. 

As for Radha dasyam, since the GBC gurus have been promoting illicit sex acharyas, all the time being "guided" by people like Narayana Maharaja, this means these folks never understood what is a Radha sevaka in the first place. The GBC has been advertising fallen and illicit sex "acharyas" as "nikunja yuno" servants of Radha, with the help of some of these Gaudiya Matha and other "advisors." This is an insult to the platform of Radha dasyam.]  

*** All this comes in the wake of the recent news that a sannyasi from Narayan Maharaj's sangha, Srila Vaishnava Maharaj, has gone to Ananta Das Baba in Radha Kund, taken siddha pranali and bhek from him, and adopted the life of a bhajananandi Vaishnava with the name Madhavananda Das Babaji Maharaj. This has been eliciting what looks like panicked reactions from his erstwhile colleagues. After all, most of them abandoned the ISKCON ship to jump on the Narayan Maharaj bandwagon, and now it seems that the next tidal flow is about to commence... this time to their detriment.

[PADA: Right, the people who jumped ship to get "the next living guru" Narayana Maharaja are now jumping ship to get yet another "living guru" namely Ananta das babaji, because Narayana Maharaja has departed. So the followers of NM are upset that their people are jumping their ship, meanwhile they asked all of Srila Prabhupada's followers to jump ship and join NM. 

So there is a tidal flow to the next "living" person. That is why we Prabhupadanugas are at least consistent, we are not jumping ship to another guru every few years. Rocana has the same problem, he wants us to all abandon Srila Prabhupada for Rocana's alleged living guru, at least he is smart enough not to name his living guru, because we would find out how bogus that person is in an instant.] 

*** Narayan Maharaj opened the portals to the madhura-rasa soaked literature of the Goswamis and encouraged his disciples to delve into them. There is no turning back from this. Those who are keen to cultivate the madhura mood of bhajan that all our scriptures point to will now finally find themselves going to the source, namely Radha Kund.

[PADA: That is correct, Narayana Maharaja opened the doors to rasika, which is why he was called "the rasika guru" by the GBC. The question is, are these GBC people or any of the neophyte followers of ISKCON ready to adopt "rasika"? No, they are not yet qualified for that level.]  

*** Ananta Das Baba is nearing the end of an illustrious career as a disseminator of the teachings of Rupa and Raghunath Das Goswamis. He is now in his 80's and when I saw him last month, it was clear to me that he is suffering physically from various ailments, but nevertheless goes on with his lecturing and writing. He will not be with us for that much longer, but it seems that Radharani nicely arranged for him to survive until all the most charismatic senior Gaudiya Math leaders had disappeared and he was left as the only person with the stature that an ambitious sadhaka would approach for shelter as a spiritual guide. And, of course, I think that is a good thing.

[PADA: Yes, I have seen photos of Ananta das and he looks very ill. But the fact that people are jumping ship away from NM to join another living guru shows how shallow their living guru process is. Especially, since they are jumping ship to a "living person" who is on death's door, this seems very silly and insecure indeed.] 

*** Though there has been a steady trickle of Western Vaishnavas to Radha Kund and the "Sahajiya Babajis" -- there are at least 50 of them living there now. Many have gone there without leaving their ISKCON / Gaudiya Matha affiliation, some without even abandoning their narrow-minded and sectarian point of view. But now it seems almost inevitable that the kind of movement that took place in the past, first with the exodus from ISKCON to Shridhar Maharaj, then to Narayan Maharaj and -- to a lesser extent -- to several other senior Gaudiya Math acharyas and so on.

This had the effect of thinning out the Vaishnava community and, at least in the first instance, increasing the potential for sectarian rivalries. After all, ISKCON officially considers those ex-members who went to Narayan Maharaj, what to speak of any other teacher, to be apostates and a danger to the aspirant's spiritual life. But for both ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math, the real issue is one of preserving institutional integrity.Well, no one is going to wipe these Vaishnava sanghas off the face of the earth. They will continue to exist, as each serves its own function in Mahaprabhu's greater plan, but Madhavananda Maharaj's move hopefully means that the scope of available association and discourse will be widened.

[PADA: We cannot agree that this is a good development, but its true -- this is just another case in point that people are "thinning out the sangha" and "creating sectarian rivalries." We need to get back to the basics of forming a united sangha that is preaching basic materials (not rasika) to the public.] 

*** But this in turn highlights the problem about the way that international Gaudiya Vaishnavism organizes itself communally. Let us face it: for the most part we are a dysfunctional bunch. 

[PADA: Well thats the God's honest truth right there, we see little desire to form a unified preaching institution, there are countless sects and rivalries. And then there are countless other sub-sects like the Illumintati-ites and etc. There is no actual desire for a unified preaching program, which also happened in the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha.]

*** Competition and protectionism on the basis of immature spirituality continue to prevail; such attitudes are even actively promoted by many of the Vaishnava leaders. Although it is to be hoped that those who finally reach Radha Kund will be the most mature, this also may be too much to hope for. Frankly, devotees need to understand that Krishna consciousness -- if it is really to be applied as a universal spiritual science -- has to outgrow this mentality and must do so before it is too late.

Esoteric and arcane spiritualism is by nature individualistic. When applied socially, it fragments. One has to be able to find a way to make nishtha, commitment and dedication to their own practice, with compassion and empathy for others, and their experience. Your individual experience and the means you adopted to get there are not necessarily going to be meaningful to others. But your compassion and the virtues that arise from genuine spiritual advancement MUST be universal. And the communal culture must be oriented in THAT direction.

There is a lot of talk about Guru Tattva, and I have spent a lot of my life contemplating the questions that surround the kind of injunctions that demand the absolute loyalty and obedience to the Guru. But the kind of problems that arise when you create mostly artificial divisions and sectarian loyalties is that you undermine community. Everyone is constantly being tested against impossible criteria of ideological purity and the very essence of devotional association is destroyed.

Krishna says in the Gita that devotees rejoice in each other's association, hearing from each other and glorifying Krishna together. The process of spiritual life is one of discovery and sharing. It goes on at different levels of realization, but in the earlier stages, one seeks security and stablity of siddhanta as a way of establishing confidence in spiritual life. But this inevitably collapses under the weight of experience, or the "reality principle." When that happens, what is needed more than anything else is compassion.

I keep seeing that quote about Prabhupad building a house in which the whole world can live. Sorry, I have yet to see the evidence. Progress in bhajan is progress in humanity. It means progress in empathy, because how can there be love without empathy or compassion? We need to cultivate a sense of community that does not disintegrate into sectarian infighting, but takes the position that prema is our goal and lets the trappings of institutional commitment not trump basic human values of kindness, helpfulness and commitment to truth and justice.

Let us leave the fledgling birds in their nests until they learn to fly. What I want to know is how will we create a social milieu suitable for grownups. The occasional wise comments on Facebook are no doubt helpful, like a glow worm gives hope in the night. But just as the glow worm is not the dawn, the desire for mature spiritual community is not going to be satisfied on line.Let us all become experts in prema. Let us learn the art of compassion, not in the name of converting others to our view, but in the name of ending human suffering.

Radhe Shyam.

[PADA: Its interesting to see how some "ISKCON outsiders" observe the calamity that is now going on in the name of ISKCON and Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Of course the next problem is that Satsvarupa may have been saved from one deviation, but he has been the leading cheer leader and position paper writer for the bogus 11 gurus and their molester messiah's deviation, and NM never saved him from that deviation. Instead, NM supported the appointed 11 gurus deviation and its main crew members like SDG, Tamal, Sivarama, Giriraja and similar others. They never addressed the root issue of ISKCON's disaster, that the GBC's alleged 11 gurus were never appointed as gurus and Radha's sevakas in the first place. ys pd]

Monday, January 27, 2014

Vedic Village Review Update

Crash Victims Ignored in India

AKD: Yesterday we came across 2 teenagers lying on the road. Both of them had crashed into each other. Both of them bleeding heavily one at the leg and the other near the forehead. They were unable to get up. From a distance we saw motorbikes passing by them, but not stopping to help. 

We immediately rushed to help them. We parked their vehicles aside, and made them to lie in the side of the road. All this while many cars also passed, but none of them even bothered to stop. After sometime the residents of Nandini Layout staff quarters came out, and they started helping in terms of 'staring and talking' but also not doing anything really to actually help. 

Only 1 Doctor finally came forward. We could not stay there for a long time as Mahesh had to leave to airport at 11:30 PM and it was already 11 PM. When we were leaving the ambulance was just to arrive and their wounds were bandaged. What amazed me in this whole incident is -- that people have lost all humanity. 

I was stunned that so many people were passing by and not stopping to help. I feel animals are better at humanity than so-called human beings. In this connection Srila Prabhupada speaks: How humanity can be established unless there is the understanding of the Supreme Father, how there is question of, how this question of brotherhood can come in? Here Krsna says aham bija-pradah pita: [Bg. 14.4] "I am the seed-giving father." So you try to understand this, then humanity. You cannot manufacture some ideas of humanity, imperfect, because you are imperfect. Here is perfect idea. -- Room Conversation -- August 10, 1976, Tehran

[PADA: Yes, what amazes PADA editor is how so many "karmis" are friendly and helpful to us, whereas the people who want to see us die are most often "the devotees." Srila Prabhupada told us the same thing happened to him, he said he was in danger of being attacked, maybe even killed, by some of his devious God brothers, otherwise, he had no enemies. The so-called devotees need to also become more compassionate as well. ys pd]     

Guru Must Be Authorized (Prabhupadanugas)

[PADA: This is great stuff. We were writing similar "Guru Tattva position papers" especially in the 1980s, 1990s and a few later on. We wrote papers and articles along with writers like Yasodananda das, Sulochana das, Nityananda das, Karnamrta das, Mahesh Raja das, Rupa Vilas das, and others. Jaggajivana prabhu also helped us edit and correct grammar and etc.  We started out with a $10 typewriter we got at the flea market, and we had to type our articles (remember white out correcting?), and then photocopy our materials, then distribute them by mail and by hand. We had to buy our own microfiche readers to view the "letters." Yep, its hard to imagine -- but there was no internet then.

Its very enlivening to see others are more and more taking up this task of analyzing the quotes and writings of Srila Prabhupada, and writing critical analysis papers on this topic (like ISKCON Truth, Vidya Vani folks and many others are now gathering quotes and posting as well). 

Very nice job here! Bravo. PADA has been criticized for making comments about the devious activities of these false gurus, and for that I apologize for offending anyone, but its sometimes required to show people (A) what is supposed to be done, and (B) the result of not doing what is supposed to be done. Anyway, this is a great read below, please check it out. ys pd] 


nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale
śrīmate bhaktivedānta- svāmin iti nāmine
namas te sārasvate deve gaura-vāṇī-pracāriṇe
nirviśeṣa-śūnyavādi- pāścātya-deśa-tāriṇe

I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanyadeva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.

PART 1 [one of four]


Srila Prabhupada: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. (Ref. VedaBase, Bhagavad-gita 7.2 — Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
NO such order was ever issued from Srila Prabhupada. We therefore openly challenge ANYONE please provide us with tangible proof in writing from Srila Prabhupada confirming His order. ARE SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DISCIPLES QUALIFIED TO BECOME GURUS [diksa-gurus]? NO – THEY ARE NOT!

Tamala Krsna: “It’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977:

Srila Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru.
Srila Prabhupada: Hm. (agrees confirmative)
Tamala Krsna: Maybe one day it may be possible… but not now.

Note: As we can clearly see from Tamal Krishna’s earlier comment in April 1977, “Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. ” but just AFTER 7 months in NOVEMBER, the departure of Srila Prabhupada, he was deceitful, he CHEATED, thus began the Guru HOAX in ISKCON. He proclaimed the 11 Ritviks [officiating representatives] were now to be ACCEPTED as “successor gurus”, “Uttama Adhikaris” and anyone who thought otherwise would bring “one dangerously near the precipice of spiritual calamity.” Threats were common to those who opposed them, and Srila Prabhupada’s disciples who protested where kicked out.

Tamal Krsna was the chief mastermind to disobey and dismantle the July 9th 1977 Ritvik order from Srila Prabhupada to the society to initiate on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf.


Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. (Srila Prabhupada room conversation, April 22, 1977, Bombay)

Note: Guru MUST be on Uttama Adhikari (Maha-bhagavata) stage. But aside from that he needs an ORDER from his Guru to be ACARYA. – NO SUCH ORDER WAS GIVEN.

In the Padma Purana, the characteristics of the guru, the bona fide spiritual master, have been described: “The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service.” There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. Madhya-lila 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse)


Note: Anyone show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. [initiating spiritual masters] Exactly WHERE and when did Srila Prabhupada named the ACARYAS in writing? I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACARYAS

Satsvarupa: We have a question about initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Srila Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes.

Note: From the May 28th conversation we can see that Srila Prabhupada only appointed them to be officiating Ritvik representatives of the acarya Srila Prabhupada. NO other order was ever given. The Ritvik order was given FOR CONTINUING THE RITVIK INITIATION SYSTEM ALREADY SETUP by Srila Prabhupada HIMSELF.

There is absolutely NO order from Srila Prabhupada for his disciples to become full-fledged successor acaryas, successor diksa gurus. There is NO such thing, NO such order in writing, but the opposite, they are not qualified, as has been admitted by Tamal Krsna himself.


Note: So what is an “officiating acarya?” Certainly NOT a “diksa-guru-successor-acarya”. So Srila Prabhupada gives the answer: “He will recommend some of his senior disciples to act as officiating acarya (answer to Satsvarupa) particularly at that time when he is no longer with us. (this answers the continuance)”

So, where is the order from Srila Prabhupada that they are “diksa-guru-successor-acarya“. There is NO such thing, NO such order. We challenge anyone to prove it first. Srila Prabhupada never created any special status for “regular officiating gurus” other than ritvik-representative of the acarya.

Note: From the year 1966 to 1977 Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY “YOU become guru,” so HOW can anyone claim that they are diksa-guru? IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977 then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977 [from May 28, 1977 to November 14, 1977]. WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?


"Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru." (Srila Prabhupada, Nectar of Devotion, Lecture, October 31. 1972, Vrindavana)

“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorised by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksa vidhana.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)


Srila Prabhupada: Don’t be allured by cheap disciples. Go on steadfastly to render service first. If you immediately become guru, then the service activities will be stopped; and as there are so many cheap gurus and cheap disciples, without any substantial knowledge, and manufacturing new sampradayas, and with service activities stopped, and all spiritual progress choked up. (Srila Prabhupada letter to Acyutananda 68.8.17)


Srila Prabhupada: One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. It is best not to accept any disciples. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. (Sri Caitamrta-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 1.1)


Srila Prabhupada: “I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves”. “As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished.” (Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, August 16, 1976, Bombay, India)


Srila Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear and pose as a guru]. You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU? (Srila Prabhupada room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977)

Srila Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done? (760628bj.nv)

Pusta Krsna: What about the so-called gurus that take a little bit here and a little bit there?
Srila Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?
Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Srila Prabhupada: He’s most dangerous. He’s most dangerous. He is opportunist. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru. (760628bj.nv)

"All of my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I–one–may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It’s not that I’ll give an order: “Here is the next leader.” Anyone who follows the previous leadership is a leader… All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param praptam. One who follows is perfect."
(SP Back to Godhead magazine BTG Vol. 13, No. 1-2, December 1977)

Srila Prabhupada: “I wish that each and every branch shall keep their separate identity and cooperate keeping the acharya in the center. On this principle we can open any number of branches all over the world. The Rama Krishna mission works on this principle and thus as an organization they have done wonderfully.”
(Srila Prabhupada letter to Kirtana ananda 11th Feb. 1967)

Srila Prabhupada: “This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want.” (Srila Prabhupada letter to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada: “I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually” – (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)

DIRECT ORDER TO ACT AS RITVIK REPRESENTATIVE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA (completely ignored and rejected by deviant disciples)

Srila Prabhupada: “Make your own field and continue to be ritvik and act on my behalf.” (Letter to Hansadutta, July 31st, 1977)

Srila Prabhupada: ”I have selected you among eleven men as ‘ritvik or representative of the acharya, to give initiations, both first and second initiation, on my behalf.” (July 10th)

“…the process for initiation to be followed in the future.” (July 11th)

“…continue to become ritvik and act on my charge.” (July 19th)

“…continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.” (July 31th)


What is the meaning of: ”He becomes disciple of my disciple.”?

This can have different meanings, according how it is applied and according how it is taken OUT of context.
Also we have to understand that the tape-recordings have been spliced and tampered with and the transcriptions have been falsified also. There are at least 5 different types of transcriptions, which one to believe? Please see:

Falsified transcription of the May 28th, 1977 tape

Also Srila Prabhupada says on the tape: “His grand disciple” and NOT “He is grand disciple”. This gives also a complete different meaning. Most persons who see this transcript as presented above will naturally either be confused or think that Srila Prabhupada is speaking of the ‘ritviks’ having their own disciples and thus being [or becoming] Diksa Gurus. However the above transcript is NOT ACCURATE. And simply reproducing the transcript correctly causes the whole GBC case to collapse.

The first source of inaccuracy is the phrase ‘He is grand-disciple’.

Please note the following:

1. In 1985, Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu produced his landmark paper ‘Under My Order’. This paper very carefully analyzed the whole "Appointment Tape." It was this analysis of the tape that led to the current guru system in ISKCON being introduced and the zonal acarya system being allegedly disbanded. Thus one can appreciate the significance of this paper and the thought that went into it. Also since the whole paper revolved around an analysis of the so-called ‘1977 Appointment Tape’, its treatment of this tape also needed to be done carefully. 

To this end the transcript for the tape they produced was crucial and would have needed to be checked thoroughly. Indeed Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu states that the transcript has been carefully ‘checked and corrected’ by Jayadvaita Swami, a senior BBT editor. In this transcript, it clearly states ‘HIS grand-disciple’ NOT ‘HE IS grand-disciple’. This rendering was never challenged at the time, or subsequently, by ANY member of the GBC.

2. Fast forward to 1990. Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu helps put out the ISKCON Journal. Mysteriously the transcript has now been changed to ‘HE IS grand-disciple’. No explanation is given for this change. All subsequent GBC transcripts start repeating this phrase as ‘HE IS grand-disciple’.

3. However since the change involves moving from one word to two words, it can be easily resolved by listening to the tape. The tape has been listened to by a number of persons and they all agree that only ONE word is spoken before the word ‘grand-disciple’. Obviously both Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu and Jayadvaita Swami would also have heard only one word. Thus the term spoken before the word ‘grand-disciple’ DEFINITELY CANNOT be ‘HE IS’, since only ONE word is spoken, not TWO words.

4. In response to this point the GBC have now tried to subsequently argue in ‘Disciple of My Disciple’ (1997) that ‘maybe’ the word spoken was “He’s”. But this does not explain why the carefully checked transcript in 1985 was sure that it was ‘His’, nor why NONE of the GBC transcripts subsequently have never said ‘He’s’, but only ‘He is’. The only possible explanations are:

a) They have a different version of the tape, where the words ‘He is’ ARE spoken.

b) They have deliberately been mis-representing HIS / HE’S as ‘HE IS’ all this time.

Of course if a) was the case the whole GBC case collapses anyway since it proves beyond any doubt that the tape was falsified since two different recordings exist. 

If b) is the case then it supports the idea that they have been deliberately trying to mis-represent the actual recording so that people will draw the ‘ritviks are diksa gurus’ conclusion. However, with this mis-representation now cleared away, as will be seen, the conclusion that will be drawn is completely different.

5. Also there is no reason to suppose that Srila Prabhupada did say ‘He’s’ as opposed to ‘His’, since such an interpretation would not make any sense.

The pronoun ‘He’ (from He’s) before the term ‘grand-disciple’ refers to the person BEING initiated, the initiate, or the ‘grand-disciple’. However in straightforward standard English the pronoun usually refers to the immediate ante-cedent (the term that the pronoun follows). In this case that term is ‘who is initiating’. It is obvious therefore that in this case the pronoun CANNOT be ‘HE’ because how can the INITIATE, the person being INITIATED, or ‘grand-disciple’, simultaneously be the person ‘who is initiating’!

6. Even if we allow for the ante-cedent that the pronoun refers to. To not be the most immediate. There is actually NO ante-cedent for the pronoun ‘HE’ to refer to in the whole conversation, since the speaker Srila Prabhupada has never previously mentioned nor alluded to the initiate, or the person BEING INITIATED, in the singular. The only time previously in the conversation that the speaker or the questioners ever mention the initiate, it is ALWAYS in the plural. ‘(Yes, THEY are disciples.’) Thus a speaker cannot just introduce a pronoun that has no ante-cedent. It does not make sense. In other words the ‘HE’ has to REFER to something. But it can not refer to something that has not yet even been mentioned.

7. However the use of ‘His’, does make sense, since this use CAN be consistent with the most immediate antecedent, ‘who is initiating’. In this case the ‘HIS’ MUST refer to Srila Prabhupada since the ‘ritvik’ cannot have grand-disciples. Srila Prabhupada would then also be the person ‘who is initiating’. Thus there is no case for insisting that the words spoken were ‘HE IS’ or even ‘HE’S’. Even the GBC admit that at the very best ‘maybe’ it states ‘He’s’ (‘Disciple of My Disciple’), as opposed to ‘HIS’.

The second source of inaccuracy is in the way the transcript is written out. If one actually listens to this part of the tape the sequence of events are as follows:

1. Srila Prabhupada states ‘Who is initiating’. He then PAUSES.

2. After the PAUSE, he next states ‘HIS grand-disciple’. (See above)

3. Srila Prabhupada again pauses.

4. Satsvarupa Maharaja then attempts to interrupt and begins to ask another question.

5. Srila Prabhupada IGNORES him and CONTINUES SPEAKING.

Taking all these facts into account, and omitting the interruption from Satsvarupa Maharaja, which has absolutely no bearing on what Srila Prabhupada says, since he also ignores this interruption, the transcript can now be more accurately represented as:

Srila Prabhupada: Who is initiating (pause) His Grand-Disciple (pause) When I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple.

Note: Now the transcript becomes clearer. The term ‘his grand-disciple’ is first introduced, and then mentioned again in different terms at the end of the sentence – ‘Disciple of My Disciple’. This by the way is another reason to put these two terms together on the same line, representing the same stream of thought, since the two terms are both speaking of the same entity – Srila Prabhupada’s grand-disciples. Sandwiched in between the two terms is the PROCESS by which the entity is arrived at – ‘When I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru’. Thus in the LAST sentence of the whole conversation Srila Prabhupada merely repeats the standard PRINCIPLE, that WHEN the Guru orders the disciple, THEN he becomes a Diksa Guru. We see that on the May tape no such order was given. And the only order, which was given, was on July 9th, to be ritviks. So it is straightforward.

Unless they can produce the actual order, the line: “His grand-disciple, when I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple.” in itself authorizes and orders NOTHING.


Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik – representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.

Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done.

The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.

The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.


Tamala Krsna: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there’s no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: You know that book I’m maintaining of all of your disciples’ names? Should I continue that?

Srila Prabhupada: Hm. (agrees)

(Srila Prabhupada Room conversation, July7, 1977)


Note: The requirement for being a diksa, or initiating guru in ISKCON is not simply that one thinks they have acquired the requisite qualifications to act as guru, but that in addition Srila Prabhupada must also authorize such persons to specifically act in that capacity. The only order given was: I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACARYAS. WHEN I ORDER, “YOU BECOME GURU,” HE BECOMES REGULAR GURU. THAT’S ALL. RITVIK-YES.


Unless a person has been properly initiated by someone acting strictly as the rittvik representative of the SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA, Srila Prabhupada, his so-called initiation is more or less a kind of KIDNAPPING THE DISCIPLE AWAY FROM THE SHELTER OF THE LOTUS FEET OF SRILA PRABHUPADA, THE SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA, AND KRISHNA.

Such kidnapper gurus and their unfortunate disciples fall down from the devotional path in due course of time, just as a tree that receives no water loses its leaves (disciples), dries up and dies. We have seen this phenomenon repeat itself again and again in a long list of so-called gurus, falling down after some time. However, such dead gurus and disciples can be brought back to life simply by situating themselves properly in the rittvik initiating arrangement made by Srila Prabhupada. The current re-initiation syndrome practiced in ISKCON is trying to correct one mistake by making another mistake.



Srila Prabhupada: He [Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja] never recommended anyone to be acharya of the Gaudiya Math…. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acharya, he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acharya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga, April 28, 1974)


Note: “So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and *self effulgent acarya* would be automatically selected.” The words, “self effulgent acarya” in context of the letter is singular. NO MULTIPLE ACARYAS.


Note: Following the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada the GBC’s concocted that no order is needed any longer, because Srila Prabhupada is no longer physically present. Having left Srila Prabhupada behind, declaring him for dead, ISKCON’s deviated leadership has naturally also left behind Srila Prabhupada’s movement and teachings, with top to bottom perversions in every sphere. Such wholesale deviation is the natural consequence of the desire to unlawfully take the place of Srila Prabhupada. The problem with those so-called 11 “Ritvik-Acaryas” is, that they envied Srila Prabhupada to sit in His seat, (Vyasasana) without having His Divine Graces’ qualities.

Srila Prabhupada: “What will happen when I am not here, shall everything be spoiled by the GBC?
(Srila Prabhupada letter 1972)

“Our mission is to serve (…) Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled.” As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru—gurusu nara-matih. That is the material disease.” (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 20/4/1977)

There was NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada NAMING ANY individual to be Diksa guru. The ONLY order on July 9th 1977 was to act as regular Ritvik representative. NOTHING MORE!!! Furthermore, if someone tells you, “When I order, you jump off the cliff” would you jump? OF COURSE NOT! Clearly, Srila Prabhupada’s use of the word “when” indicates that he did not yet give that order. He ONLY said “WHEN” I order, “You become guru. However, a month later in his July 9, 1977 Final Order, 1st and 2nd initiations for ISKCON wherein he named 11 disciples to act as “Ritvik Representatives of the Acarya” to initiate future disciples on his behalf “henceforward”.

I HAVE GIVEN IN WRITING EVERYTHING, WHATEVER YOU WANTED. Note: Srila Prabhupada clearly stated in his final days 3 times that “everything” which was needed for running ISKCON, he gave in writing: “I have given in writing everything, whatever you wanted—my will, my executive (?) power, everything. Disaster will happen if you cannot manage it. […] I have already given everything in writing.”
(Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, October 2nd and 3rd, 1977)

In Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will and the July 9th, 1977 directive, it is established that for ISKCON Srila Prabhupada is its initiating Guru. And hence if Srila Prabhupada had wanted to authorize any successor gurus or a system by which successor gurus could emerge in the future, he would also have given this in writing.

In his last will, June 5, 1977 Srila Prabhupada states: “The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) exeutive directors acting at one time.”

Note: In order to carry out this section of Srila Prabhupada’s Will, there must be his initiated disciples present for as long as ISKCON exists, thus necessitating a Ritvik system initiating new disciples on his behalf henceforward which was stated as per his July 9, 1977 Order to all GBC and temple presidents. This will also confirms the no change status of the Ritvik system for after his physical disappearance in his use of the word “henceforward” meaning from now on.

Will be continued on Part 2