PADA: Yeah Hansadutta for some time was trying to make himself out as a rock star, and he made his own album. Guru guru on the wall, it was going through the other 10 gurus, have you ever seen a guru, thin as a cane, looking insane (Satsvarupa). When his farm was busted his diary said -- these are people who need to be terminated, and the other gurus were on the list.
PADA: It does look like the child abuse issue in ISKCON is finally boiling over, and getting more into focus -- after so many years of neglecting, delaying, obfuscating, denying and even opposing correcting the issue.
A "senior ACBS devotee" was talking to me the other day on chat, and when I asked him something, there was like a two minute wait for a response. I was wondering if he had hung up on the call. But actually -- what was really going on -- the wheels in his head were spinning -- and he could not make a rapid reply.
In other words, he could not deal with the questions I raised. And so his responses were very slow. Finally, he was answering my questions with his own questions, which means he could not make a concrete answer -- and so he tried to divert and change the subject.
This is the same problem we had with the Mathura Pati group. OK these guys wanted me to work under the Krishna Kant IRM, and that means I had to surrender to Jayapataka, and go to the Caribbean on vacation -- and drop the molesting issue, book changes issue, and poison issue. Fine vacation that would have been!
And later they wanted me to help them promote their designer drugs and child porno arrested shiksha guru authority Bhakta das, and help them glorify Saint Radhanath. And they also wanted me to help them promote Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sari. Oh wait a minute, Jayapataka, Bhavananda, Hari Sauri, Radhanath, Kirtanananda etc. are all the main people credited with orchestrating the molesting empire in the first place. Why would I join that group? And Mathura Pati is infuriated, I am not joining him in promoting this group?
And yeah, I would have been dead after a few days of starting my vacation in the Caribbean. Problem solved!
No, the problems will continue. Just getting rid of the whistle blowers does not make the problems disappear. A number of people have thanked me for recently bringing out the 1997 history, but they actually have to thank Mathura Pati, he is the person who wanted all this history reviewed, and we obliged.
Anyway, long story short, the flood gates on this molesting issue are opening more each day, and it is turning into a Tsunami. LONG OVERDUE, but better late than never.
And yeah Bhakti Vikas swami is up to his neck in promoting this empire and he is the sannyasa disciple of the leader of his Auschwitz for kids project, Jayapataka. All of these people will have to be held accountable by Yamaduttas for their orchestrated process of -- starving, beating, molesting, abusing and even raping Krishna's children.
And agreed, we ourselves are very ignorant fools, and we do not know a whole lot about anything really, being conditioned souls lost in a giant dark cloud of material fog and illusion ourselves. Except -- we DO know one thing for sure. Anyone who harms even a hair on one of Krishna's children will not be forgiven by Krishna, or any agents of Krishna.
And the punishment will be long, hard, sharp, extremely painful, and could easily be going on for millions of years. No one is allowed to harm any child, what to speak of Krishna's own personal children.
I have an atheist lady friend. She likes to joke and taunt me -- saying she believes if there is a God, He is very cruel -- since the whole universe is just made to make all living things suffer. And she tells me -- the only reason she does not end her own life is -- then her associates would suffer, so she cannot add to the suffering of the cosmos. Then she would become the very thing she does not like about God, causing suffering.
In other words, she is a devout atheist, and she thinks God is a cruel master -- if He even exists at all, but she would not knowingly ever cause ANY suffering to any other living being. Because then -- she would be proving she is the same thing she complains about towards God, creating suffering. OK! That means she is more advanced than the entire GBC put together, they cause suffering to all sorts of other living beings on a regular basis. Whereas -- she would never even dream of causing suffering on any other living creature. She would make a better GBC than the whole lot of them put together. ys pd
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SRD: I have lost count of the times I've heard devotees naively take at face value the "claims of innocence" of people responsible for child sexual abuse. While it is essential for any functioning society that everyone benefits from the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, it is also important to recognize that it is incredibly naive and destructive to assume that a child abuser will be forthcoming about his crimes.
A person that is willing to cross the line of assaulting a child to seek some perverted gratification, well have zero reservations lying about it. At the bottom of my recent post about Laxmimoni I included a letter written by Kripakara das.Kripakara was convicted for child sexual abuse and served prison time for his crimes. His letter shows that even a confirmed child abuser can convince himself that he is the victim of 'persecution' from the ISKCON Child Protection Office. This letter offers a rare glimpse into the mindset of a child sex offender.
Disregarding the fact that the man is a confirmed child sex offender, recently Bhakti Vikash Swami (BVKS) invited Kripakara to speak to the children at his Gurukula in Salem, India. It is important to note that in his latest video about child protection, BVKS appears to speak specifically about Kripakara when he spoke on the need to give compassion, opportunities and space for 'ex-child abusers'.
Aside the fact that Kripakara has offended multiple times, it is extremely dangerous to assume that a child abuser is no longer a threat.
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LETTER BY KRIPAKARA DAS
Re: Official Decision
Saturday, November 4, 2000 5:37:36 AM
krpa@bigwaters.qld.edu.au
Dgovinda@aol.com
From: krpa@bigwaters.qld.edu.au (Keith Foley)
To: Dgovinda@aol.com
Well after ten years of these restrictions I doubt I will find anything left in my heart with which to lead kirtan or give a class. Maybe I could give a class about how ISKCON protects its members, or how even if one commits the most abominable actions he is to be considered saintly if he is rightly situated etc etc.
I cant believe the draconian nature of your decisions. It seems fairly obvious to me your decisions are not based on justice or facts, you are like the non-devotees who are currently witch-hunting pedaphiles. Most so called child molesters and pedaphiles ... God they are such horrible names with such awful connotations, end up ending their lives.
Society has little understanding, and you have less, because you are running scared. I understand ISKCON has huge lawsuits pending. I don't know what to say to you or your committee. I guess I always knew what your real agenda was. You have placed ever more strain on my family, and on my already weakened faith.
I was always honest with ISKCON about my shortcomings, but you have not been honest with me. Why do I feel I am wasting my time? Dealing with you is like dealing with the government, you know you are never going to be treated fairly or properly.
We are already judged by Krsna in our hearts, and I am ever grateful he is in my heart. I have made my peace with him and have no fear of his embrace. It is only his holy representatives that worry me. And ISKCON has an atrocious record there doesn't it.
Your servant
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DS: Re: Mindset of Career Abusers : these kinds of examples are very instructive for us who have chosen to use some of our energy for child protection and exposition of our popular predators. Krishna is training us in this psychological science, somehow we have volunteered out of our own devotional convictions and sense of humane justice, and we participate the best we can in this forum as well as our local community.
But sometimes we might find ourselves stretched psychologically, as we become more and more acquainted with the sinister predator mindset. As we see in this example, the mindset is truly horrifying -- blatant narcissism, shifting blame to the justice administrators, not accepting accountability, and the most horrifying mindset of all -- these symptoms prove that the predator mentality hasn't changed or reformed at all. It is ingrained and incurable, as confirmed by modern psychological sciences.
Meaning: the predator still has the same sinful urges and attractions, and in order to serve these continued urges, they mold their life by social manipulations to continue getting unrestricted access to children.
And shockingly, as we see here, this free access to potential victims is fully endorsed and enabled by leaders and the followers who indulge the same terribly misplaced leniency in favor of the predators.
Now here is the most disturbing aspect of our training in these advocacy services -- that to truly understand the mindset of our popular predators, we must get a sickening glimpse into their twisted motives, their urges and attractions that make them the monsters they are.
This is why the tireless workers in government and law enforcement agencies dealing with predators and child abuse face a most difficult task that strains the very core of their own sanity. Because being exposed to career predators and getting a glimpse into their perverted nature is like standing close to an erupting volcano of toxic negativity and disgusting inhumanity. Only the strongest survive in this advocacy and predator hunting profession, it is not for the feignt of heart.
May Their Lordships and all of our Guru-Varga bless us with the strength to make a positive difference in the lives of the tormented souls, no matter how small a difference we make is certainly pleasing to the Lord of the Vaikuntha Children.
DD: Masters and slaves .... I hope not heading in this direction.
CB: Unbelievable arrogance. He should hide his head in shame for the rest of his life and pray the parents of the abused don’t get their hands on him. The victims of child abuse carry that burden their entire life.
EB: Once, convinced of such a crime , there is no " correction" happening. This is a psychological dysfunction of a person which could be restricted not corrected. In Australia, once convinced, the person has to sign that they will never be present 200 metres from any facility that has children. If they happened to be present, they could be re-arrested or penalty could be imposed for breach of contract of release from prison. This is about putting a deterrent for reoffending. A very serious situation.
VJ: BVKS has no logic, no common sense, nor morality, no tattva. A fool idiotic ignoramus.
SS: Ughhh!!
AP: One who supports and defends a child abuser is on the same level of the abuser. Such is Bhaktivikash swami, another kali Chela.
