“The Indianisation of ISKCON”
PODCAST: Episode 118 – Sunday 7th April 2024
We’re pleased to welcome Chandrashekhara Prabhu as our guest on this week’s podcast. An active member of the Hare Krishna Movement for the past 30 years, he is well known for his outspoken and passionate views on the need to make Krishna Consciousness attractive, relevant and applicable to Western audiences.
Known for his views on the need for ISKCON to abandon its attachment to dhotis and other forms of South-Asian paraphernalia, Chandra shares his concerns about the ever-increasing Indianisation of Srila Prabhupada’s movement in the West.
In this week’s episode, we discuss:
In this week’s episode, we discuss:
- The ‘theology of dress’ in Gaudiya Vaishnavism
- ISKCON’s reluctance to attract and nurture devotees from a Western background
- Srila Prabhupada’s statements on dress code
- What ISKCON will look like in 50 years’ time
For more details check out a recent talk of Chandra’s “Dhotis or Pants: How to dress for Krishna?” here https://youtu.be/oHCXLHcSyJ8?si=Ubo2U_wCUPOGGsM3
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PADA: OK except that the reason Western people are not coming to ISKCON since 1978 is not because they have to wear a dhoti or a sari. It is because the GBC established a policy of worshiping conditioned souls, if not illicit sex deviants, as ISKCON's acharyas. And anyone who disagrees can be banned, beaten, sued and some dissenters were assassinated.
Western people are trained to worship a person as pure as Jesus, and so they are not going to fall for a program of worshiping degraded debauchees as their messiahs. It does not matter if Western people are wearing suits, ties, yoga pants, sun dresses, or even bikinis, they are not going to want to worship deviants and people voted in as messiahs by other deviants. Even if ISKCON announced, everyone is welcome to come dressed in suits, ties and Western ladies dresses, hardly any Western people would come anyway.
So this sounds like a re-package of Hrdayananda's "Krishna West" where we have to dress in Western clothes. But! The temples are mainly visited by Hindus, and the Hindu men dress generally in Western pants and clothes, while the ladies like to wear saris. But there is no official dress code for them, at all.
A few Western people might show up, and no one cares how they dress either. Sorry, changing how people dress is not going to fix the problem of people being forced to worship bogus people as acharyas. That is the reason so many people left ISKCON, and then most of their children abandoned ISKCON.
If you look at some of the comments on the video, i.e. the temples are Hindu cultural halls, therefore -- no one cares what the temple's official dress code is. Nor does anyone even know what it is, or where it is posted etc. Sorry, this is all a cover up for the real problem.
The real reason Western people boycott ISKCON is, they do not want to worship illicit sex with men, women and children deviants as their messiahs, nor the people voted in by illicit sex deviants. And when we look at some of the statements of the ex-children of ISKCON, none of them care about what clothes anyone was wearing, they were mistreated and that is their real issue.
And when so many devotees have been being banned, beaten, sued and assassinated, in order to make way for a Hindu cultural hall business being made out of ISKCON, then how people dress is not the issue. In sum, a society that promotes -- homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis, Vodka drinkers, sex with taxi drivers in the dham, sex with the therapist, and various other fools and rascals as "God's successors" will never be a success. And thank the Lord for that! We pray that society does not have any success, especially when so many children report being severely mistreated in that system.
Yep, pedophile messiah's programs are not the problem, how the pedophile messiahs program dresses its folks is the problem. Sheesh!
ys pd
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DRESSING A DOG AS THE KING
ReplyDeleteGuru cannot be self-made. No. There is no such single instance throughout the whole Vedic literature. And nowadays, so many rascals, they are becoming guru without any authority. That is not guru. You must be authorized . Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rā... [Bg. 4.2]. As soon as the paramparā is lost, sa kālena yoga naṣṭo parantapa, immediately finished. The spiritual potency finished. You can dress like a guru, you can talk big, big words, but it will never be effective.
S.b lecture Feb 27,1977 ,Mayapur.
MMD: Once again I fail to see the point of all this. We have a lot of pervs posing as gurus and leaders. They are giving shelter to another group of pervs. Then there is a lot of perv activity going on. As we should expect.
ReplyDeleteWhy would dressing pervs differently in dhotis, suits and ties, priests robes, or Santa suits, or something else, help ... anything? Shouldn't we get rid of all the pervs and their leadership entourage FIRST, before we discuss, how are they dressed?
What difference does it make how the pervs and their entourage are dressed? We have a problem with predators infiltered into the society ... and the enabler leaders ... who helped ALL that happen all along. We need to clean out the top leadership ... and not worry how they and their friends are dressed.
Who gives an actual f*ck how they dress? All kinds of kids have been abused and we all know who has been in charge when all that has been going on.
They are not competent to manage a doggy day care center ... never mind ... manage children and a whole society. Do the children who were abused in ISKCON give two actual f*cks how their abusers were dressed ... or the leaders who enabled all this dressed?
These people missed the memo ... no one gives two actual f*cks how these pervs and the leaders dressed all this time. This is another stalling technique. Don't get rid of all these leaders who caused all this sh*t to happen, dress them in a new set of clothes. That will fix it! The ignorance here is ... staggering level. This is another cover up, don't look at the crooks, look at how they dress. Stalling ... so any form of justice gets timed out.
PADA: Yes JD, the India dress issue is a smokescreen. Hrdyayananda's program established the worship of homosexuals, pedophiles and other deviants -- such as porno swamis -- as God's successor acharyas. Anyone who disagreed was banned, beaten, sued and maybe killed.
ReplyDeleteThousands of people were purged out. Then the children were mass molested -- evidently to discourage them and purge them out. Then, when the temples were emptied out -- and the Hindus were brought in as the new cash cow, they said, well actually -- this empty temple problem is all about people refusing to wear India clothes.
Really? Yeah it is a smokescreen. And Chandrashekhara says forcing people to wear in India clothes is violence, but forcing them to worship homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, pornos swamis as their messiahs, or be banned, beaten, sued or killed, is not the issue. Yeah he is making a smokescreen to cover for their violent pedo cult.
As Chanakhya pandit says, no matter how many times you wash an anus, it never becomes a face. They will never clean this up with some bogus side show issues to divert from the real issues. While everyone else is discussing all the contrived banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders problems, they are worried that you might be wearing a Tijuana poncho to the temple. Yeesh! ys pd
RHD: After the pedophile-ization, and the molesting and murders, isn't the India-ization a big improvement? I would have to say ... yes ... because ... it simply could not get any worse.
ReplyDeleteThe Hindus worship all kinds of fraud gurus ... and avatars. They have found a good home in ISKCON. It is one big happy fraud guru and bogus avatar camp. The Hindus mostly don't care if the guru is a fraud, or if they are worshiping Lord Shiva, Krishna, Laxmi, Ganesh or Durga, they have no real discrimination.
That makes them good targets for milking for cash.
The Westerners had to go ... they ask too many questions. It is good to know ... members of the GBC's pedophile guru's cult will be properly attired in future. I was VERY worried about that!
Actually? Bunch of dumb a** if you would ask me. Which is why ... they would never ask me.
SD Dasi: I was not aware there is a dress code ... for those who are worshiping illicit sex and fools ... thinking they are Krishna's gurus. Maybe I need to find my old cheer leader uniform ... so I will be in the appropriate dress for the occaision. Hip hip hooray, for the illicit sex guru sampradaya!
ReplyDeleteWe are worried ... some people are going to be proper or improper dressed when they worship their illicit sex fools sampradaya? And their enablers? This misses the whole point of the Krishna religion.
Srila Prabhupada would say ... it does not matter what dress you are wearing when you worship illicit sex fools and their associates. You are all going straight to hell ... your proper dress ... or lack of proper dress ... is not going to save you.
This makes absolutely no sense ... at all. A person who is worshiping the illicit sex guru's sampradaya ... needs to be able to wear certain clothes ... or not ... and that is the important point. No wonder the former kuli kids here avoid all these people like the plague. These people are the plague.
What difference does it make how you are dressing ... when you are worshiping an illicit sex guru sampradaya? And why would that matter ... at all? I must have missed something. Someone tell me what it is?
Frodo the Cat: They are still showing pedophile Lokanath photos on the altar around here. Very disgusting.
ReplyDeleteWhat difference does it make ... how a pedophile ... or his worshipers ... are being dressed? This is the only problem? Our pedophile gurus ... and their worshipers ... are too strict with their dressing codes? But there is nothing strict about their worship ... which includes ... pedophiles.
This is Hrdayananda's thing ain't it? Worshiping pedophiles is not the problem, how the pedophile's worshipers dress is the problem. And that is why Kirtanananda started his "monk robes" thing, same thing, we can still worship pedophiles, but just change the dress. These people are changing the dress of the dog, but keeping the dog on the King's throne.