Saturday, June 30, 2018
Friday, June 29, 2018
Badrinarayana's (Robert Morrill) Escondido property.
Badrinarayana's (Robert Morrill) Escondido property.
[PADA: A few devotees have asked me, what is going on with the so-called ISKCON Escondido property? And it looks to them like this property has been tossed around to various "Krishna devotee" legal entities, for whatever reason, but it looks like a scam to them. I don't know, but it looks strange.
Apart from that, these devotees asked if we know of any victims of Badri's program there, either financial abuse, mental abuse, banned for no good reason and so on. And they wanted me to post testimonials if there are some.
Meanwhile, apparently Badri's health has gone way down hill since he became another big GBC leader, and he has supported of the idea that conditioned souls can absorb sins like Jesus. The good news is that Badri's Messiahs from heaven are only having illicit sex with men, women and children, because apparently sex with goats is not allowed among his Messiah's camp. At least he has some standards for his Messiahs!
Anyway, if anyone has info on his property scheme or anything else, send to: angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd]
PROPERTY
PROFILE
Property:
1365 Rincon Ave
Escondido, CA 92026
APN: 224-100-85-00
Data deemed reliable, but not guaranteed.
PROPERTY DETAILS
Iskcon Of Escondido Inc, APN: 224-100-85-00
1365 Rincon Ave, Escondido, CA 92026 San Diego County
Owner Information
Primary Owner: ISKCON OF ESCONDIDO INC, Secondary Owner:
Mail Address:1238 1/2 HORNBLEND ST Site Address:1365 RINCON AVE
SAN DIEGO CA 92109 ESCONDIDO CA 92026
Sale Information
Sale Date:10/19/2000 Document #: 2000-0564968 Sale Amount: N/A
Seller: ISKCON CULTURAL Sale Type: Cost/SF: N/A
CENTER INC
Assessment & Tax Information
Assessed Value:$571,679 Land Value: $473,543 Imp. Value: $98,136
Homeowner % Improvement: 17.17%
Exemption:
Tax Amount:$6,992.06 Tax Status: Delinquent: 2017 Tax Year: 2017
Tax Rate Area:4-187 Tax Account ID:
Property Characteristics
Bedrooms:2 Year Built:1948 Pool:
Bathrooms:1 Square Feet: 1,168 SF Lot Size: 20.33 AC
Partial Baths: Number of Units:1 No of Stories:
Total Rooms: Garage:Yes 2 Fire Place:
Property Type:Single Family Residential Properties Building Style: Owner
Exclusions:
Use Code:Single Family Residential Zoning: R-1:SINGLE
FAM-R ES
TRANSACTION HISTORY
Iskcon Of Escondido Inc, APN: 224-100-85-00
1365 Rincon Ave, Escondido, CA 92026 San Diego County
Prior Transfer
Recording Date: 08/22/2016 Document #: 2016-0430467 BK-PG -
Price: N/A Document Type: Quit Claim Deed
Multiple Parcels Involved In This
Transaction
First TD: N/A Type of Sale: Transfer Tax On Doc. Indicated
As EXEMPT
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name: ISKCON OF ESCONDIDO INC
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: RADHA KRISNA, SRI SRI; SRI BALAJI TEMPLE INC
Legal description: Lot: A&B Map Ref: DOC2001-0148309
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
Prior Transfer
Recording Date: 01/29/2016 Document #: 2016-0041832 BK-PG -
Price: N/A Document Type: Intra-family Transfer Or
Multiple Parcels Involved In This Dissolution
Transaction
First TD: N/A Type of Sale: Transfer Tax On Doc. Indicated
As EXEMPT
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name: ISKCON OF ESCONDIDO INC
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: ISKCON OF ESCONDIDO INC
Legal description: Lot: B Map Ref: DOC2014-0487232
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
Prior Transfer
Recording Date:10/19/2000 Document #: 2000-0564968 BK-PG -
Price: N/A Document Type: Re-recorded Document
First TD: N/A Type of Sale: Non-Arms Length Transfer
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name: RADHA KRISHNA, SRI SRI; SRI BALAJIA TEMPLE INC
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: ISKCON CULTURAL CENTER INC
Legal description: Lot: 3
Abbreviated Description: SEC 3-12-2W POR
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
Prior Transfer
Recording Date: 09/01/2000 Document #: 2000-0473743 BK-PG -
Price: N/A Document Type: Grant Deed
First TD: N/A Type of Sale: Price As "0", "None", "No
Consideration"
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name:SR| SRI RADHA KRISHNA & SRI BALAJIA TEMP
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: ISKCON CULTURAL CENTER INC
Legal description:
Abbreviated Description: SEC 3-12-2W POR
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
Prior Transfer
Recording Date:O8/23/2000 Document #:2000-0448571 BK-PG -
Price: $230,000 Document Type: Grant Deed
First TD: N/A Type of Sale: Full-Computed From Transfer Tax
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name: ISKCON CULTURAL CENTER INC
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: BOOTH DAVID A
Legal description: Lot: 3
Abbreviated Description: SEC 3-12-2W POR
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
Prior Transfer
Recording Date: 03/11/1996 Document#:1996-0116779 BK-PG -
Price: N/A Document Type: Affidavit Of Death Of Joint
Tenant
First TD: N/A Type of Sale:
Mortgage Doc #: Interest Rate:
Lender Name:
Buyer Name: BOOTH, DAVID A
Buyer Vesting:
Seller Name: BOOTH, CHARENE P
Legal description: Lot: 3
City/Muni/Twp: ESCONDIDO
COMPARABLE-
lskcon Of Escondido Inc, APN: 224-100-85-00
1365 Rincon Ave, Escondido, CA 92026 San Diego County
No. Address Date Price S/SF Bld/Area RM/BR/Bth YB Lot Area Pool Proxim.
Subject Property 08/22/2016 N/A N/A 1,168 /2/1 1948 20 SF
ESCONDIDO, CA 92026-4002
APN:224-985-26-00 Document#:2018-O226142 DocumentType;GrantDeed Price Code: R
Property Type: Single Family Residential Properties Land Use: Single Family Residential
Legal: Lot:63 Tract No:583R-B MapRef:MAP 11438 City/Muni/Twp:ESCOND|DO
Iskcon Of Escondido Inc,
1365 Rincon Ave, Escondido, CA 92026
Neighbors
APN: 224-100-85-00
San Diego County
ISKCON OF ESCONDIDO INC,
1365 RINCON AVE
ESCONDIDO CA 92026
APN: 224—100—85—00
Bedrooms: 2
Square Feet: 1,168 SF
Year Built: 1948
Sridhara / Narayan / Gaura Govinda / Incomplete understanding
[PADA: When discussing the original status of us jeeva souls with followers of Sridhara Maharaja / Narayan Maharaja / Gaura Govinda Maharaja and others, they keep insisting that we did not originate in Krishna's leela with Krishna. Sridhara Maharaja for example says we originated in brahman.
Unfortunately, this is tinged mayavada philosophy. We are persons, Krishna is a person, and everything has a personal basis. We have a personal connection to Krishna originally, and we dropped that connection. These mayavada tinged people have no good explanation for how the jeevas fall into the material world. Anyway, here Srila Prabhupada shows some of the major defects of the mayavada's ideas (or those who are compromised with the mayavada's ideas):]
Harikesa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what's the difference between a Brahmavadi and a Mayavadī?
Prabhupada: That you already questioned. We answered.
Harikesa: I did?
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...vadi means those who are aspiring to merge into the impersonal Brahman effulgence.
Harikesa: And Mayavadis, they do not attain that impersonal realization?
Prabhupada: Mayavadis remain fools forever.
Harikesa: They never leave this material platform.
Prabhupada: They do not know. They have no knowledge. Avisuddha-buddhayah [SB 10.2.32], always impure. Otherwise how they are thinking, so 'ham: "I am same. I am God. I am moving the sun, I am..." Such rascals, they remain always in ignorance. [break] ...no sense that "If I am the same, then why I have fallen down in this maya?" They say, "It is my lila. I have become dog. So it is my lila. I have become hog. It is my lila." (laughs) This is their philosophy. Hare Krsna. [break] Mayavada. They are fools, mūḍha. Mayayapahrta-jnana. They are described in the Bhagavad-gita. Mayavadī means mayayapahrta-jnana: "Their knowledge has been taken away by maya." Fools. Either you call them fool or call them lowest of the mankind or the most sinful, whatever way you can call, they are like that. All good qualifications. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has warned, mayavadī-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa: [Cc. Madhya 6.169] "If you hear from Mayavadi, then your spiritual life is finished." It's so dangerous.
Harikesa: The Brahmavadis have some possibility of advancement?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Harikesa: What is that thing that enables them to advance?
Prabhupada: That you will know later on. First of all try to understand this. Don't try to understand everything in a moment. That is foolishness. [break] That argument is clear?
Ambarisa: Yes.
…....
Prabhupada: No, no. Spirit soul is changing machine. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. So when this machine is finished, and another machine.
Ambarisa: The old machine continues to change after the spirit soul leaves, it deteriorates? The old machine deterior..., it breaks down.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. You give up one machine and you take another machine. [break]
Devotee (1): ...one goes into a subtle machine?
Prabhupada: That example is given, vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya [Bg. 2.22]. Just like your dress, when it is useless, you throw it away and take another dress. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya grhnati narah aparani. You accept another set of dress. Clearly explained. [break] ...also very scientific.Just like according to your last life's desires, you have got this dress, this body. So it is going on, going on, going on. Now you are creating another set of desires in this life. So you require a different dress. Then you begin another satisfaction of your desires. This is going on. Karmana daiva-netrena: [SB 3.31.1] by your karma, you are creating a situation. Just like the criminal, he has created a situation; he cannot live anymore outside the jail. "Come on, here." He will go in automatically. So they do not know how nature is working. It is clearly said, prakrteh kriyamanani [Bg. 3.27]. "Nature is working, and that nature is working," mayadhyaksena [Bg. 9.10], "under My superintendence." Everything is there. Mayadhyakseṇa prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram. Jagat, it is changing, always changing. How it is changing? Under the direction of God. Mayadhyakseṇa.
Devotee (1): Only Krsna is doing everything then.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Krsna is not like you that when you are given some business, you become embarrassed. That is the difference between Krsna and you. He never becomes embarrassed.
Devotee (1): Srila Prabhupada, is it true that our advancement in devotional services... Is it influenced a lot by our past karma, how many sinful activities we have committed?
Prabhupada: No, no, no. Bhakti is not under karma. Bhakti is under your good will. If you accept to surrender to Krsna, you can do that without being checked by anything else. Simply you have to will, "Yes, Krsna. You are asking me. So long I did not do. From this day I do." That will depend upon you.
Devotee (2): Not that if I was more sinful, I would make less advancement than somebody who is more pious.
Prabhupada: Whatever you may be, simply surrender and everything is finished. Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayis... [Bg. 18.66]. Even if you are sinful, Krsna will give you release, "All right. You have surrendered. That's all right." That is wanted. If you reserve something and cheat Krsna, "Now I am surrendering," Krsna is very intelligent. "You have still reservation. No." [break]
Devotee (1): ...it's easier to surrender to Krsna.
Prabhupāda: Yes, in sattva-guṇa one can see, one can understand his position. [break]
Devotee (2): Does he experience the miseries of the gross body when he's in sattva-guna, in the mode of goodness? Does he experience hunger and thirst, those things like that?
Prabhupada: Gross body means no hunger?
Devotee (2): When a person's in sattva-guṇa, he's not so much feeling the pain...
Prabhupāda: He is not disturbed by the rajo-guna, tamo-guna. That is sattva-guna. Nasta-prayesv abhadresu [SB 1.2.18]. He can be disturbed by rajo-guṇa, tamo-guna, but when he is in sattva-guna, he is not so much disturbed. And if he increase and go to the pure sattva-guṇa, suddha-sattva, then he is no more disturbed. At that time he can understand what is God. [break] ...you are strongly situated in sattva-guna, the other base qualities cannot disturb you. Tada rajas-tamo-bhavah kama-lobhadayas ca ye [SB 1.2.19]. Other guna means lusty desires and greediness. This thing will be finished when you are strongly situated in sattva-guna. Then you go advance more and more. [break] ...hear about Krsna, to chant about Krsna, means cleansing, cleansing the dirty things of rajo-guna and tamo-guna. [break] ...world is going on on rajo-guna and tamo-guna. Very minute quantity of population are by sattva-guṇa.
Brahmananda: Perhaps only in India will you find people in...
Prabhupada: Yes, some. That is also deteriorating. [break] The sattva-guṇa... the Mayavadī, they are also supposed to be in sattva-guna, but mixed with rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Therefore not pure.
Devotee (2): You were saying that when one is in the mode of goodness, that he is on the mental platform?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Devotee (2): Does that mean that he's not... He's experiencing the subtle body inside of the gross body, or what does that mean exactly?
Prabhupada: Mental platform is mixed sattva-guna, rajo-guna, not pure. But if you keep always Krsna in your mind, then you are purified. The mind has no other opportunity to keep anything else. Krsna is sitting there, then guarantee. [break] ...they keep always seeing Visnu form within the heart. Therefore they keep in sattva-guṇa. Similarly, if you keep Krsna, then you are in sattva-guna. And when that concentration on Krsna is not disturbed, then it is suddha-sattva. That is spiritual platform. [break] ...ekadasī?
Nitai: It's Saturday, the 6th.
Devotee (2): What does the yogi perceive when he cuts off the outer senses, he finally reaches the...
Prabhupada: Perceive?
Devotee (2): What does he experience when he cuts off the outer senses and is able to...
Prabhupada: Outer senses, what do you mean by outer senses-dead?
Devotee (2): His bodily senses.
Prabhupada: There is no question of outer senses. Senses purified. What do you mean by outer senses?
Devotee (2): The senses with which you perceive the outer gross...
Prabhupada: That always remains. But when it is not purified, you perceive material things. When it is purified, you perceive spiritual things.
Devotee (2): So the same gross senses will be able to see spiritual things.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is purified. Bhakti is the purifying process. I have already said. Not that the eyes are suffering from cataract disease, "Pluck out." That is Mayavadī philosophy.
Devotee (2): What does that mean, then, when the yogis withdraw their senses from the objects like it says like the tortoise withdraws his limbs within the shell? What does that refer to then?
Prabhupada: Hm? What is that? I do not follow.
Brahmananda: He asks, in the yoga system...
Prabhupada: Yoga system means always see Supersoul; that is real yoga system. Perfection. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginaḥ [SB 12.13.1]. Yoginah, being meditating and seeing the Supersoul, this is yoga. Not that he does not see. He is seeing Supersoul. He is seeing nothing else.
Devotee (1): He doesn't see the Supersoul with the gross senses, though, does he?
Prabhupada: Pure senses. He does not... Impure senses and pure senses.
Devotee (2): How can you tell when your senses are getting purified?
Prabhupada: You will understand Krsna more and more. So long your senses are not purified, you will not understand clearly what is Krsna. [break] ...understanding Krsna means detestful to the material world, attached to Krsna. Bhaktih paresanubhavah viraktir anyatra syat. [break]
Devotee (2): Is it true that eventually by this process we'll become purified so we can become like sruti-dharas?
Prabhupada: That you will see when you become purified.
Devotee (2): Then we will actually attain that condition, then.
Prabhupada: Try to become purified. Don't imagine and guess, "What will be the condition when I am purified?" This is all nonsense. Try to become purified.
Devotee (2): Then you perceive it.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Brahmananda: You tell the story of the potter. He has many pots. (Prabhupada laughs) And he tries to imagine what it will be like when he becomes very wealthy.
Prabhupada: That is nonsense, waste time. [break] ...you are eating you will understand yourself, "Yes, I am eating, I am getting strength, I am getting satisfaction." But simply theory..., "What will happen after eating? What will happen?" You eat and you see what is happening. What is the use of asking this question? You eat and you will understand. [break]
Brahmananda: ...Harrison, he wrote in his preface that "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupada's Palace of Gold: Falling Apart?
[PADA: Various devotee have reported falling apart temples, from New Vrndavana to others, due to "lack of funds." Yep, there is however millions on hand to create lawsuits to stop people from worshiping Prabhupada, or to print his original books. Yep. That is the priority expense these days. ys pd]
Prabhupada's Palace of Gold desperately needs a new roof. There is a leak directly onto the altar and several others throughout the building.
ISKCON New Vrndavana and ECO-V have kindly donated close to one million dollars in renovation funding to this point but the roof was not first on the list for repair. The work that has been done looks great but now it is time to get to the heart of the matter and stop this damage before we see a major collapse, small pieces in the main temple have already fallen and a chandelier in the front foyer collapsed over the winter.
Some may say ISKCON New V is rich with Gas money and this simply is not true. Additionally the minimal entrance fee the Palace requests barely covers daily operational expenses. This is an international project, this is not some tourist attraction it is Prabhupadas Samadhi, please help support this effort.
I appreciate there are lots of options when it comes to donating these days, especially in the movement but without Prabhupada where would we be. This is his place, his home and it is our chance to help him.
Thank you for your consideration.
Your Servant
Vrajakishor Das
Manager Prabhupada's Palace of Gold
Prabhupada's Palace of Gold desperately needs a new roof. There is a leak directly onto the altar and several others throughout the building.
ISKCON New Vrndavana and ECO-V have kindly donated close to one million dollars in renovation funding to this point but the roof was not first on the list for repair. The work that has been done looks great but now it is time to get to the heart of the matter and stop this damage before we see a major collapse, small pieces in the main temple have already fallen and a chandelier in the front foyer collapsed over the winter.
Some may say ISKCON New V is rich with Gas money and this simply is not true. Additionally the minimal entrance fee the Palace requests barely covers daily operational expenses. This is an international project, this is not some tourist attraction it is Prabhupadas Samadhi, please help support this effort.
I appreciate there are lots of options when it comes to donating these days, especially in the movement but without Prabhupada where would we be. This is his place, his home and it is our chance to help him.
Thank you for your consideration.
Your Servant
Vrajakishor Das
Manager Prabhupada's Palace of Gold
Thursday, June 28, 2018
Mahabuddhi Funds Needed For Brain Injury
https://www.gofundme.com/mahabuddhi-das-care-and-recovery
[PADA: Yes, as usual, the GBC apparently has millions of dollars to sue the Prabhupada devotees, and millions of dollars for the jet set lifestyle / health care for their gurus and so on, but the peons don't seem to get much when they are in need? This is why a ex-gurukuli told me -- ISKCON is managed like North Korea, the elites get plenty, the peons, have to eat dried leaves.
Anyway if some folks would like to help this devotee, that would be nice. ys pd]
[PADA: Yes, as usual, the GBC apparently has millions of dollars to sue the Prabhupada devotees, and millions of dollars for the jet set lifestyle / health care for their gurus and so on, but the peons don't seem to get much when they are in need? This is why a ex-gurukuli told me -- ISKCON is managed like North Korea, the elites get plenty, the peons, have to eat dried leaves.
Anyway if some folks would like to help this devotee, that would be nice. ys pd]
Burning the Bhaktivedanta College Books (DP Dasa)
[PADA: Good. Apparently, the "Bhaktivedanta College of Mayapura" has been teaching their students that Lord Krishna's successor's / guru's / acharya's lineage is often populated with: deviants -- who may engage in illicit sex with men, women and children; sexual predators of minors; alcoholics, drug addicts, porno swamis, sex with taxi drivers, and who knows what else.
Worse, they are apparently teaching this odious material to little children -- i.e. that Krishna's successors are often debauchees, or they promote people like Bhakti Vikas swami, who are subordinated to the above mentioned group, because he is their rubber stamped / voted in successor, voted by the likes of the above mentioned class of deviants. So its just a question of time and more people are waking up to this whole offensive scheme.
Oddly, people like Hanuman Croatia think we still need to promote the worship of molester messiah's guru lineage members like Bhakti Vikas swami, all because he is a certified member of the sex with taxi drivers / porno messiah's club. He has not woke up yet, but many others are. This just happened now, so our idea that the acharyas are not deviated debauchees, drug addicts, fools, atheists, chicken salad eaters, Las Vegas gamblers, wife stealers, etc. -- its spreading! ys pd]
DP DASA
I burned these books to ashes because they blaspheme His Divine Grace Ac Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupada and the Shrimad Bhagavatam. I received these books from Bhaktivedanta College as study material in courses which I paid thousands of dollars for.
Because of cult mind control I allowed myself to be cheated by Bhaktivedanta College and Krishna House. But from now on, I will not accept the association of anyone who believes that Shrila Prabhupada was an ordinary man, or that any of his teachings are wrong, irrelevant, or outdated.
I am ready to accept any consequences that come from this decision even up to the point of death. I will not criticize any devotee by name even if he deserves it, but I will clearly distinguish between lies and the truth by the power of guru, sadhu, and sastra.
I am very fallen and hardly able to follow the basics Krishna Consciousness. But this is my determination, and I pray to Nashringhadeva for protection.
DP DASA
I burned these books to ashes because they blaspheme His Divine Grace Ac Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupada and the Shrimad Bhagavatam. I received these books from Bhaktivedanta College as study material in courses which I paid thousands of dollars for.
Because of cult mind control I allowed myself to be cheated by Bhaktivedanta College and Krishna House. But from now on, I will not accept the association of anyone who believes that Shrila Prabhupada was an ordinary man, or that any of his teachings are wrong, irrelevant, or outdated.
I am ready to accept any consequences that come from this decision even up to the point of death. I will not criticize any devotee by name even if he deserves it, but I will clearly distinguish between lies and the truth by the power of guru, sadhu, and sastra.
I am very fallen and hardly able to follow the basics Krishna Consciousness. But this is my determination, and I pray to Nashringhadeva for protection.
Wednesday, June 27, 2018
Snan Yatra Summary
https://www.jagannathpuri.in/index.php/snana-yatra
A special bath of Jagannath takes place on the Purnima of Jyestha month (Devasnan Purnima), to commemorate the appearance day of Lord Jagannath.
According to Skanda Purana when Raja Indradyumna installed the wooden deities he arranged this bathing ceremony. This day considered to be the birth-day of Lord jagannath. Held in the full-moon day of the month of Jyestha this festival is also simultaneously held in all other important Puri, it attracts thousands of visitors and pilgrims from all over the country.'Niladri Mohadaya', a religious text written in Orissan (Oriya) records the rituals of the festival. Sriharsa in his 'naisadhiya Charita' (XV.89) also refers to this festival of Purushottama.
A special bath of Jagannath takes place on the Purnima of Jyestha month (Devasnan Purnima), to commemorate the appearance day of Lord Jagannath.
According to Skanda Purana when Raja Indradyumna installed the wooden deities he arranged this bathing ceremony. This day considered to be the birth-day of Lord jagannath. Held in the full-moon day of the month of Jyestha this festival is also simultaneously held in all other important Puri, it attracts thousands of visitors and pilgrims from all over the country.'Niladri Mohadaya', a religious text written in Orissan (Oriya) records the rituals of the festival. Sriharsa in his 'naisadhiya Charita' (XV.89) also refers to this festival of Purushottama.
This bathing ceremony has a speciality. As this festival does not find mention in the early religious texts, it is believed to be a tribal ceremony. Lord.Jagannath in His early form was being worshiped as Nilamadhava by a Savara chief called Viswabasu. The story is nicely told in the drama Jagannath Priyan natakam. Till now it is the Daitas and Savars (tribals) who have the exclusive right to conduct the festival. The tribals called Saoras (of southern Orissa) still perform a rite to bath their Deities ceremonially on the last day of the month of Jyestha. For this they collect water from remote Jungles where it remains untouched even by the shadow of the animals.
On the previous day of Snana Yatra the images of Jagannath, Balabhadra and Subhadra along with the image of Sudarshana are ceremonially brought out from the sanctum in a procession to the Snana-vedi (Bathing pandal). This special pandal in the temple precinct of Puri is called Snana Mandap. It is at such a height that visitors standing outside the temple also gate a glimpse of the Deities.
On the fourteenth day (Chaturdashi - the day before the bathing - Purnima) when the Deities are taken out in procession, the whole process is called Pahandi or Pahandi vijay. Scholars have given different interpretations of the term ('Pahandi'). Some opine that it has been derived from the term 'Praspanda' meaning movement. Some others are inclined to interpret it as derivation from Pandya vijaya.
For the festival the the Snana Vedi (bathing platform) is well decorated with traditional paintings of trees and gardens. Flags and toranas (arches strung with mango leaves) are also put up. The Deities are profusely decorated with flowers. All kinds of perfumes such as Dhupa (incense), Aguru (oils) etc. are then offered. As the 'Pahandi' of the Deities takes place to the accompaniment of music and beating of various indigenous drums. Thousands of devotees jostle and crave for a look at the Deities in procession.
In Puri the bathing procedure is as follows: After Mangala Arati, the Suaras and Mahasuaras go in a ceremonial procession to fetch water from Suna Kua (Golden well) in one hundred and thirty, vessels of copper and gold. All of them cover their mouths with a piece of cloth so as not to contaminate it even with their breath. Then all the vessels filled with water are preserved in the Bhoga Mandap. The Palla pandas (a class of Brahmin priests) then purify the water with Haridra (turmeric), Java (whole rice), Benachera, Chandan, Aguru, flowers, perfumes and medicinal herbs.
The bathing festival takes place during the morning hours of the purnima tithi. The filled vessels are carried from Bhoga Mandap to the Snana Vedi by the Suaras in a long single-line procession. This ritual is called 'Jaladhibasa' (Jala - water, abhishek - bath).
Prior to the bathing ceremony Jagannath, Baladeva and is Subhadra, covered in silken cloth and then smeared with red powder, are taken in procession to a platform which is specially decorated and purified with water and incense. One hundred and eight gold vessels are filled with water taken from a special well containing waters from all the holy tirthas. Abhiseka is performed with this water, accompanied by the chanting of vedic (Pavamana Sukta) mantras, kirtana and blowing of conch shells.
Due to the amount of bathing liquids that are offered to cool the Lord's transcendental body at this time, bear in mind that this is the hottest time in India just prior to the refreshing monsoon rains, His painted form takes a bit of a wash-out. The colouration of the Deity's faces are painted on with natural earthly mineral paints not modern oil based paints, so when water is applied to cool Their forms it also has the effect of washing away the features of he former painting. As usual the Lord has a plan to make everything go smoothly. To bridge the episode of His bathing and the period that He comes out to bless everyone for Rathyatra He organized some special pastimes by which he devotees can serve Him and remember His wonderful forms.
So to keep a wonderful mood of seeing the Lord in an uplifting manner the Lord arranged for the Hati Vesha festival where Lord Jagannatha and Lord Balaram then puts on the elephant dress, Hati Vesha, and Lady Subhadra wears a lotus flower vesha.
The original story is told in several different ways, some call Hati snan (elephant bath) some call Ganesh abhishek as they identify the following story as being the original cause of the Lord to wear this elephant vesh for His devotee: It is said that a staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh and himself a profound scholar visited Puri during Snana Yatra. He was amply rewarded by the king of Orissa for his scholarship. The king asked the scholar to accompany him to see Lord Jagannath which he refused under the pretext that he wouldn't worship any "God" other than his Ishthadevata Ganesh. Somehow he was persuaded and brought before the Snana vedi. To the utter surprise of all, Lord Jagannath appeared with an elephantine form that resembled as Ganesh. Since then during Snana Yatra when the sacred bath is performed, the Deities are dressed like like elephants - resembling Ganesh. Various other legends are also told and reasons assigned explaining the Ganesh besa (vesha).
During the sacred bath the colours painted on the images generally fade. seeing the wooden deities in discolour devotees may not have the appropriate devotional attitude and in fact may feel sinful repugnance. For this reason, the images are immediately dressed in the Hati vesha (besa) in which they remain mostly covered.
After the Snana Yatra, the Deities are kept away from public view for fifteen days and during all these days the daily rites of the temple remain suspended. As Jagannatha himself instructed, after this ceremony, he is not seen for a fortnight. The Deities are kept on a special "sick room" called the Ratan vedi inside the temple. This period is called 'Anabasara kala' meaning improper time for worship. It has been said earlier that the Deities are discoloured as a result of the sacred bath - some say look a bit off colour........ During these fifteen days the Daitas (descendants of Viswavasu, the Savara) repaint and restore the Deities and Jagannath's fine decorations. The period of colouring and decorating the Deities is divided into seven short periods, each of two days duration, and a short period of one day set apart to give finishing touches. Thus the period covers the whole fortnight. On the 16th day the Deities in their new forms after renovation become ready for the public view - darshan. The festival of the first appearance of the Lord Jagannath to his devotees is called Netrotsava (festival for the eyes) or Nava Yauvanotsava (festival of the ever new youth). According to priests of the Jagannath temple the devotee washes away all his sins if he gets a vision of the Lord on this day. On this occasion, therefore, great rush of people occurs in the temple.
The Shilpa Shastras and Agamas testify that the Deities become suitable for worship only after the performance of the rite of 'Chakshyu Unmilana' (Opening of the eyes). During 'Anabasara', the Daitas offer to the Deities only fruits and water mixed with cheese, and and Dasa mula medicines to cure his fever.. In a devotional mood the devotees accept that due to all the bathing the Lord becomes transcendentally poorly, and therefore needs to take rest. Like human beings they are considered to have fallen ill and are treated by the Raj Vaidya or the King's physician with specific medicines (Dasamulas).
The temple-festivals which are held in a bigger and elaborate scale in the important shrines of Puri and Bhubaneswar are also held simultaneously in all other small shrines of the respective Deities, though in modest scales. Likewise the Snana Yatra is held in many other temples of Orissa, and now all over the world.
Other deities may also receive abhiseka on this day. One should perform puja and bathe the Deities with water or panca gavya and pancamrta while chanting the vedic mantras like purusa sukta.
Snan Yatra & Hati Vesha Utsav by Jaya Tirtha Charan dasan
The Snan yatra bathing ceremony of Lord Jagannath has become one of the most popular festivals on the Iskcon calendar over the years since His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad introduced it to the world outside of India. Traditionally this festival has been going on since the time of the carving of the 'Dharu-brahman' Deities of Lord Jagannath, Lord Balaram, and Lady Subhadra in Sri Purushottam Kshetra (Jagannath Puri) thousands of years ago, commemorating Their sacred appearance for Their devotees - primarily the saintly King Maharaj Indradyumna.
Many of you would know that after the bathing ceremony the Lord catches a transcendental chill, are fed sweet foods and drinks to break Their fever, and then retires for Their 'Anavasara kala' - recuperation period. In Jagannath Puri where the Deities are painted with natural mineral paints, after the bathing ceremony the paints have a tendency to run and the Deities would be not viewable to the general public. So to allow the devotees to partake further in the Lord's pastimes, They made a special arrangement with one 'brahmin' who came to visit to take 'darshan' at this time.
Lord Sri Krishna, Jagannath is the Lord of the Universe and so in essence is the original creator of everything, nothing exists without Him. In one sense then everything is Him, at least coming from Him. Just as in the creation of a by-product from an original source the by-product has it’s existence by association with the original object. Shastra gives the example of milk being transformed into yogurt for a functionary analogy of Krishna being like the original source (milk in this case) and lord Shiva being like yogurt, having come in contact with a culture for his functionary activities in the material world. The milk therefore in one sense created yogurt, but that yogurt can never again become milk. Therefore it, although one in origin, it is different, becoming secondary or mutated potency and therefore lessor in potency and function.
Sripad Shankaracarya taught a very dangerous philosophy called pancopasika (païcopäsanä – Chaitanya Chairitamrta Adi-lila 7:151. Purport; Madhya-lila 9:360. purport), which wrongly inferred that the Lord and His primary creation, and the predominating Deities of it were equal in potency to Him. He said that Lord Vishnu, Ganesh, Shiva, Surya, Laxmi (Durga, Kali, Saraswati) were/are equal which to us, and to Lord Vishnu is to be considered as a grave offense (çivasya çré-viñëor ya iha guëa-nämädi-sakalaà / dhiyä bhinnaà paçyet sa khalu hari-nämähita-karaù. – Padma Purana.)
In various places it is phrased slightly different ways; (2) to consider the Lord and the demigods to be on the same level or to think that there are many gods (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Sri Chaitanya Charitamrta Adi-lila 7:73., purport.) (b) to consider the name of Lord Çiva or any other demigod to be equally as powerful as the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (no one is equal to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, nor is anyone superior to Him)(A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada. SB 7:5:23-24. Purport.) ”The second offense is to see the holy names of the Lord in terms of worldly distinction.
On the previous day of Snana Yatra the images of Jagannath, Balabhadra and Subhadra along with the image of Sudarshana are ceremonially brought out from the sanctum in a procession to the Snana-vedi (Bathing pandal). This special pandal in the temple precinct of Puri is called Snana Mandap. It is at such a height that visitors standing outside the temple also gate a glimpse of the Deities.
On the fourteenth day (Chaturdashi - the day before the bathing - Purnima) when the Deities are taken out in procession, the whole process is called Pahandi or Pahandi vijay. Scholars have given different interpretations of the term ('Pahandi'). Some opine that it has been derived from the term 'Praspanda' meaning movement. Some others are inclined to interpret it as derivation from Pandya vijaya.
For the festival the the Snana Vedi (bathing platform) is well decorated with traditional paintings of trees and gardens. Flags and toranas (arches strung with mango leaves) are also put up. The Deities are profusely decorated with flowers. All kinds of perfumes such as Dhupa (incense), Aguru (oils) etc. are then offered. As the 'Pahandi' of the Deities takes place to the accompaniment of music and beating of various indigenous drums. Thousands of devotees jostle and crave for a look at the Deities in procession.
In Puri the bathing procedure is as follows: After Mangala Arati, the Suaras and Mahasuaras go in a ceremonial procession to fetch water from Suna Kua (Golden well) in one hundred and thirty, vessels of copper and gold. All of them cover their mouths with a piece of cloth so as not to contaminate it even with their breath. Then all the vessels filled with water are preserved in the Bhoga Mandap. The Palla pandas (a class of Brahmin priests) then purify the water with Haridra (turmeric), Java (whole rice), Benachera, Chandan, Aguru, flowers, perfumes and medicinal herbs.
The bathing festival takes place during the morning hours of the purnima tithi. The filled vessels are carried from Bhoga Mandap to the Snana Vedi by the Suaras in a long single-line procession. This ritual is called 'Jaladhibasa' (Jala - water, abhishek - bath).
Prior to the bathing ceremony Jagannath, Baladeva and is Subhadra, covered in silken cloth and then smeared with red powder, are taken in procession to a platform which is specially decorated and purified with water and incense. One hundred and eight gold vessels are filled with water taken from a special well containing waters from all the holy tirthas. Abhiseka is performed with this water, accompanied by the chanting of vedic (Pavamana Sukta) mantras, kirtana and blowing of conch shells.
Due to the amount of bathing liquids that are offered to cool the Lord's transcendental body at this time, bear in mind that this is the hottest time in India just prior to the refreshing monsoon rains, His painted form takes a bit of a wash-out. The colouration of the Deity's faces are painted on with natural earthly mineral paints not modern oil based paints, so when water is applied to cool Their forms it also has the effect of washing away the features of he former painting. As usual the Lord has a plan to make everything go smoothly. To bridge the episode of His bathing and the period that He comes out to bless everyone for Rathyatra He organized some special pastimes by which he devotees can serve Him and remember His wonderful forms.
So to keep a wonderful mood of seeing the Lord in an uplifting manner the Lord arranged for the Hati Vesha festival where Lord Jagannatha and Lord Balaram then puts on the elephant dress, Hati Vesha, and Lady Subhadra wears a lotus flower vesha.
The original story is told in several different ways, some call Hati snan (elephant bath) some call Ganesh abhishek as they identify the following story as being the original cause of the Lord to wear this elephant vesh for His devotee: It is said that a staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh and himself a profound scholar visited Puri during Snana Yatra. He was amply rewarded by the king of Orissa for his scholarship. The king asked the scholar to accompany him to see Lord Jagannath which he refused under the pretext that he wouldn't worship any "God" other than his Ishthadevata Ganesh. Somehow he was persuaded and brought before the Snana vedi. To the utter surprise of all, Lord Jagannath appeared with an elephantine form that resembled as Ganesh. Since then during Snana Yatra when the sacred bath is performed, the Deities are dressed like like elephants - resembling Ganesh. Various other legends are also told and reasons assigned explaining the Ganesh besa (vesha).
During the sacred bath the colours painted on the images generally fade. seeing the wooden deities in discolour devotees may not have the appropriate devotional attitude and in fact may feel sinful repugnance. For this reason, the images are immediately dressed in the Hati vesha (besa) in which they remain mostly covered.
After the Snana Yatra, the Deities are kept away from public view for fifteen days and during all these days the daily rites of the temple remain suspended. As Jagannatha himself instructed, after this ceremony, he is not seen for a fortnight. The Deities are kept on a special "sick room" called the Ratan vedi inside the temple. This period is called 'Anabasara kala' meaning improper time for worship. It has been said earlier that the Deities are discoloured as a result of the sacred bath - some say look a bit off colour........ During these fifteen days the Daitas (descendants of Viswavasu, the Savara) repaint and restore the Deities and Jagannath's fine decorations. The period of colouring and decorating the Deities is divided into seven short periods, each of two days duration, and a short period of one day set apart to give finishing touches. Thus the period covers the whole fortnight. On the 16th day the Deities in their new forms after renovation become ready for the public view - darshan. The festival of the first appearance of the Lord Jagannath to his devotees is called Netrotsava (festival for the eyes) or Nava Yauvanotsava (festival of the ever new youth). According to priests of the Jagannath temple the devotee washes away all his sins if he gets a vision of the Lord on this day. On this occasion, therefore, great rush of people occurs in the temple.
The Shilpa Shastras and Agamas testify that the Deities become suitable for worship only after the performance of the rite of 'Chakshyu Unmilana' (Opening of the eyes). During 'Anabasara', the Daitas offer to the Deities only fruits and water mixed with cheese, and and Dasa mula medicines to cure his fever.. In a devotional mood the devotees accept that due to all the bathing the Lord becomes transcendentally poorly, and therefore needs to take rest. Like human beings they are considered to have fallen ill and are treated by the Raj Vaidya or the King's physician with specific medicines (Dasamulas).
The temple-festivals which are held in a bigger and elaborate scale in the important shrines of Puri and Bhubaneswar are also held simultaneously in all other small shrines of the respective Deities, though in modest scales. Likewise the Snana Yatra is held in many other temples of Orissa, and now all over the world.
Other deities may also receive abhiseka on this day. One should perform puja and bathe the Deities with water or panca gavya and pancamrta while chanting the vedic mantras like purusa sukta.
Snan Yatra & Hati Vesha Utsav by Jaya Tirtha Charan dasan
The Snan yatra bathing ceremony of Lord Jagannath has become one of the most popular festivals on the Iskcon calendar over the years since His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad introduced it to the world outside of India. Traditionally this festival has been going on since the time of the carving of the 'Dharu-brahman' Deities of Lord Jagannath, Lord Balaram, and Lady Subhadra in Sri Purushottam Kshetra (Jagannath Puri) thousands of years ago, commemorating Their sacred appearance for Their devotees - primarily the saintly King Maharaj Indradyumna.
Many of you would know that after the bathing ceremony the Lord catches a transcendental chill, are fed sweet foods and drinks to break Their fever, and then retires for Their 'Anavasara kala' - recuperation period. In Jagannath Puri where the Deities are painted with natural mineral paints, after the bathing ceremony the paints have a tendency to run and the Deities would be not viewable to the general public. So to allow the devotees to partake further in the Lord's pastimes, They made a special arrangement with one 'brahmin' who came to visit to take 'darshan' at this time.
Lord Sri Krishna, Jagannath is the Lord of the Universe and so in essence is the original creator of everything, nothing exists without Him. In one sense then everything is Him, at least coming from Him. Just as in the creation of a by-product from an original source the by-product has it’s existence by association with the original object. Shastra gives the example of milk being transformed into yogurt for a functionary analogy of Krishna being like the original source (milk in this case) and lord Shiva being like yogurt, having come in contact with a culture for his functionary activities in the material world. The milk therefore in one sense created yogurt, but that yogurt can never again become milk. Therefore it, although one in origin, it is different, becoming secondary or mutated potency and therefore lessor in potency and function.
Sripad Shankaracarya taught a very dangerous philosophy called pancopasika (païcopäsanä – Chaitanya Chairitamrta Adi-lila 7:151. Purport; Madhya-lila 9:360. purport), which wrongly inferred that the Lord and His primary creation, and the predominating Deities of it were equal in potency to Him. He said that Lord Vishnu, Ganesh, Shiva, Surya, Laxmi (Durga, Kali, Saraswati) were/are equal which to us, and to Lord Vishnu is to be considered as a grave offense (çivasya çré-viñëor ya iha guëa-nämädi-sakalaà / dhiyä bhinnaà paçyet sa khalu hari-nämähita-karaù. – Padma Purana.)
In various places it is phrased slightly different ways; (2) to consider the Lord and the demigods to be on the same level or to think that there are many gods (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Sri Chaitanya Charitamrta Adi-lila 7:73., purport.) (b) to consider the name of Lord Çiva or any other demigod to be equally as powerful as the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (no one is equal to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, nor is anyone superior to Him)(A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada. SB 7:5:23-24. Purport.) ”The second offense is to see the holy names of the Lord in terms of worldly distinction.
The Lord is the proprietor of all the universes, and therefore He may be known in different places by different names, but that does not in any way qualify the fullness of the Lord. Any nomenclature which is meant for the Supreme Lord is as holy as the others because they are all meant for the Lord. Such holy names are as powerful as the Lord, and there is no bar for anyone in any part of the creation to chant and glorify the Lord by the particular name of the Lord as it is locally understood. They are all auspicious, and one should not distinguish such names of the Lord as material commodities.”(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Srimad bhagavatam 2:1:11. Purport.)
sthävara-jaìgama dekhe, nä dekhe tära mürti
sarvatra haya nija iñöa-deva-sphürti
“A Vaisnava never sees the material form of anything, moving or nonmoving. Rather, everywhere he looks he sees the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and immediately he remembers the transcendental form of the Lord.”
This wonderfully merciful and enlivening story of the Lord knowing the heart of His devotee, and personally bestowing His mercy upon him has nothing what so ever with that deviant philosophy. The story goes that this 'brahmin' was a devotee of Lord Jagannath, but for some reason expected to see the elephant-headed deva, Ganesh, in the temple. The 'brahmin' was somewhat disappointed seeing the deva / demigod not there, and that Lord Jagannath had been bathed already and that They were looking a bit 'off colour' with Their mineral paint colours running.
sthävara-jaìgama dekhe, nä dekhe tära mürti
sarvatra haya nija iñöa-deva-sphürti
“A Vaisnava never sees the material form of anything, moving or nonmoving. Rather, everywhere he looks he sees the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and immediately he remembers the transcendental form of the Lord.”
This wonderfully merciful and enlivening story of the Lord knowing the heart of His devotee, and personally bestowing His mercy upon him has nothing what so ever with that deviant philosophy. The story goes that this 'brahmin' was a devotee of Lord Jagannath, but for some reason expected to see the elephant-headed deva, Ganesh, in the temple. The 'brahmin' was somewhat disappointed seeing the deva / demigod not there, and that Lord Jagannath had been bathed already and that They were looking a bit 'off colour' with Their mineral paint colours running.
In many ways the hearts’ desire of that devotee were unfulfilled. Then that night, knowing his heart, the Lord appeared to the devotee in a dream and told him to go back to the temple and he would not be disappointed. Rather all his desires would be fulfilled by worshipping Lord Jagannath and not by separatedly worshipping any deva (Bhagavad Gita 9:23.).
The all merciful Lord then appeared to his devotee; Lord Jagannath and Lord Balaram assumed the appearance of beautifully decorated elephants, while Lady Subhadra decorated Herself as a Lotus flower. From that time on they began the Hati Vesha (Elephant Mask) festival. Consequently some call it the Hati-vesh festival, some the Ganesh-vesh festival. Both are correct – the Lord assumed a special form to satisfy His devotee, just as in other cultures we hear stories of the Lord appearing to Moses in the form of a Burning Bush, or to Mohammed in the form of sound, or as with Jagannath in the form of the Dharu-brahman logs that washed up upon the ocean shore to be carried by the sabara Virabhadra, and fashioned by the architect of the devas Vishvakarma into the wonderful forms of Sriyuts Jagannath, Baladeva and Subhadra maharani we see before us.
Formerly when we were in Mayapur we had the rare opportunity to discuss through some local devotees with 'pujaris' from Jagannath Puri who were helping to authenticate Iskcon's 'seva' to the Lord at the Jagannath temple in Mayapur. They described to me the festival, and how to execute it. Since then we began that festival in Melbourne, Australia where the festival is still an escalating favourite with all of the congregation of devotees.
In essence the festival begins with Their Lordships coming to the Snan-Vedi. At this time everyone there gets the great blessing of being able to render the service of bathing the Lord in nectarean natural bathing substances. After that the Deities return to the altar to be cleaned off, where They are tended by Their 'sevaks'. The Deities are then dressed in their 'Hati Veshes' (Elephant Masks) and offered a wonderful myriad of sweets and sticky buns, cakes, and local delicacies - as all elephants, and especially These Transcendental Ones, love.
The all merciful Lord then appeared to his devotee; Lord Jagannath and Lord Balaram assumed the appearance of beautifully decorated elephants, while Lady Subhadra decorated Herself as a Lotus flower. From that time on they began the Hati Vesha (Elephant Mask) festival. Consequently some call it the Hati-vesh festival, some the Ganesh-vesh festival. Both are correct – the Lord assumed a special form to satisfy His devotee, just as in other cultures we hear stories of the Lord appearing to Moses in the form of a Burning Bush, or to Mohammed in the form of sound, or as with Jagannath in the form of the Dharu-brahman logs that washed up upon the ocean shore to be carried by the sabara Virabhadra, and fashioned by the architect of the devas Vishvakarma into the wonderful forms of Sriyuts Jagannath, Baladeva and Subhadra maharani we see before us.
Formerly when we were in Mayapur we had the rare opportunity to discuss through some local devotees with 'pujaris' from Jagannath Puri who were helping to authenticate Iskcon's 'seva' to the Lord at the Jagannath temple in Mayapur. They described to me the festival, and how to execute it. Since then we began that festival in Melbourne, Australia where the festival is still an escalating favourite with all of the congregation of devotees.
In essence the festival begins with Their Lordships coming to the Snan-Vedi. At this time everyone there gets the great blessing of being able to render the service of bathing the Lord in nectarean natural bathing substances. After that the Deities return to the altar to be cleaned off, where They are tended by Their 'sevaks'. The Deities are then dressed in their 'Hati Veshes' (Elephant Masks) and offered a wonderful myriad of sweets and sticky buns, cakes, and local delicacies - as all elephants, and especially These Transcendental Ones, love.
The curtains are again opened leaving the food offerings of love for all to see before the Lord. The 'Arati' ceremony is then performed, and according to the Jagannath pujaris, traditionally it is accepted that the Lord bestows all benedictions and blessings upon those fortunate enough to be there to see Them there in Their Elephant masks. After the 'Arati' the Deities retire to Their 'Anavasara' rest rooms to 'restore the colour to Their cheeks', where the Lord will be served in private intimacy for the next couple of weeks up to the 'netrotsava' or 'nava yauvanotsava' - first restoration 'darshan'.
The abundance of offerings are then distributed for a small donation to all the eager devotees who wait to savour the culinary blessings of the Lord too.
Their Lordships now have their very own Hati Veshes so that everyone may participate in this transcendental festival.
The abundance of offerings are then distributed for a small donation to all the eager devotees who wait to savour the culinary blessings of the Lord too.
Their Lordships now have their very own Hati Veshes so that everyone may participate in this transcendental festival.
Hansadutta Story Gets Translation Feature (Krishnamozgalom)
https://aharekrisnamozgalom.blogspot.com/2018/06/iskcon-guruk-srila-hamsadutta-maharaja.html
[PADA: Its a little wonky but people will get the idea.]
[PADA: Its a little wonky but people will get the idea.]
Tuesday, June 26, 2018
President Donald Trump Worshiped as a God in India (Video)
[PADA: First of all, Donald Trump is himself probably mortified to find he is being worshiped like this. Its not something he ever asked for or promoted. Of course, some folks in India also worship cigarette smoking sadhus as divine beings. India has some sincere devotees of God left remaining, but the sincere are more and more rare, and are being over taken by these secularists. ys pd]
Description of Panihati Festival
PANIHATI FESTIVAL (Today in IN MAYAPUR India)
The following is the description from Sri Caitanya Caritamrta...
In the village of Panihati, Raghunatha dasa obtained an interview with Nityananda Prabhu who was accompanied by many kirtana performers, servants and others. Sitting on a rock under a tree on the bank of the Ganges, Lord Nityananda seemed as effulgent as hundreds and thousands of rising suns. Many devotees sat on the ground surrounding Him. Seeing the influence of Nityananda Prabhu, Raghunatha dasa was astonished. Raghunatha dasa offered his obeisances by falling prostrate at a distant place, and the servant of Nityananda Prabhu pointed out, “There is Raghunatha dasa, offering You obeisances.”
Hearing this, Lord Nityananda Prabhu said, “You are a thief. Now you have come to see Me. Come here, come here. Today I shall punish you,” the Lord called him, but Raghunatha dasa did not go near the Lord. Then the Lord forcibly caught him and placed His lotus feet upon Raghunatha dasa’s head. “Make a festival and feed all My associates yogurt and chipped rice.” Hearing this, Raghunatha dasa was greatly pleased.
Raghunatha dasa brought chipped rice, yogurt, milk. sweetmeats, sugar, bananas and ether eatables and placed them all around. As soon as they heard that a festival was going to be held, all kinds of brahmanas and other gentlemen began to arrive. Thus there were innumerable people. Seeing the crowd increasing, Raghunatha dasa arranged to get more eatables from other villages. He also brought two to four hundred large, round pots. He also obtained five or seven especially large earthen pots, and in these pots a brahmana began soaking chipped rice for the satisfaction of Lard Nityananda.
In one place, chipped rice was soaked in hot milk in each of the large pots. then half the rice was mixed with yogurt, sugar and bananas. The other half was mixed with condensed milk and a special type of banana known as canpa-kala. Then sugar, clarified butter and camphor were added. After Nityananda Prabhu had changed His cloth far a new one and sat on a raised platform, the brahmana brought before Him the seven huge pots.
On that platform all the most important associates of Shri Nityananda Prabhu, as well as ether important men, sat down in a circle around the Lord. Among them were Ramadasa, Sundarananda, Gadadhara dasa, Murari, Kamalakara, Sadasiva and Purandara. Dhananjaya, Jagadisa, Paramesvara dasa, Mahesa, Gauridas and Hoda Krishnadasa were also there, Similarly, Uddharana Datta Thakura and many other personal associates of the Lord sat on the raised platform with Nityananda Prabhu. No one could count them all.
Hearing about the festival, all kinds of learned scholars, brahmanas and priests went there, Lord Nityananda Prabhu honored them and made them sit on the raised platform with Him. Everyone was offered two earthen pots. In one was put chipped rice with condensed milk and in the ether chipped rice with yogurt. All the other People sat in groups around the platform. No one could count how many people there were. Each and every one of them was supplied two earthen pots, one of chipped rice soaked in yogurt and the other of chipped rice soaked in condensed milk.
Some of the brahmanas, not having gotten a place on the platform, went to the bank of the Ganges with their two earthen pots and soaked their chipped rice there. Others, who could not get a place even on the bank of the Ganges, got down into the water and began eating their two kinds of chipped rice. Thus some sat on the platform ,some at the base of the platform, and some on the bank of the Ganges, and they were all supplied two pots each by the twenty men who distributed the food.
At that time, Raghava Pandita arrived there. Seeing the situation, he began to laugh in great surprise. He brought many other kinds of food cooked in ghee and offered them to the Lord. This prasada he first placed before Lord Nityananda and then distributed among the devotees. Raghava Pandita said to Lord Nityananda, “For You, sir, I have already offered food to the Deity, but You are engaged in a festival here, and so the food is lying there untouched.”
Lord Nityananda replied, “Let Me eat all this food here during the day, and I shall eat at your home at night. I belong to a community of cowherd boys, and therefore I generally have many cowherd associates with Me. I am happy when we eat together in a picnic like this by the sandy bank of the river. Lord Nityananda made Raghava Pandita sit down and had two pots delivered to him also. There were two kinds of chipped rice soaked in them.
When chipped rice had been served to everyone, Lord Nityananda Prabhu, in meditation, brought Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. When Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu arrived, Lord Nityananda Prabhu stood up. They then saw how the others were enjoying the chipped rice with yogurt and condensed milk. From each and every pot, Lord Nityananda Prabhu took one morsel of chipped rice and pushed it into the mouth of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as a joke. In this way Lord Nityananda was walking through all the groups of eaters, and all the Vaisnavas standing there were seeing the fun.
No one could understand what Nityananda Prabhu was doing as He walked about. Some, however, who were very fortunate, could see that Lord Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was also present. Then Nityananda Prabhu smiled and sat down. On His right side He kept four pots of chipped rice that had not been made from boiled paddy. Lord Nityananda offered Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu a place and had Him sit dawn. Then together the two brothers began eating chipped rice. Seeing Cord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu eating with Him, Lord Nityananda Prabhu became very happy and exhibited varieties of ecstatic love. Lord Nityananda Prabhu ordered, “All of you eat, chanting the holy name of Hari. Immediately the holy names “Hari Hari” resounded, filling the entire universe.
When all the Vaisnavas were chanting the holy names “Hari Hari” and eating, they remembered how Krishna and Balarama ate with their companions, the cowherd boys, on the bank of the Yamuna. Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Nityananda Prabhu are extremely merciful and liberal. It was Raghunatha dasa’s good fortune that They accepted all these dealings. Who can understand the influence and mercy of Lord Nityananda Prabhu? He is so powerful that He induced Lord Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to come eat chipped rice on the bank of the Ganges. All the confidential devotees who were Cowherd boys, headed by Shri Ramadas, were absorbed in ecstatic love. They thought the bank of the Ganges to be the bank of the Yamuna.
When the shopkeepers of many other villages heard about the festival, they arrived there to sell chipped rice, yogurt, sweetmeats and bananas. As they came, bringing all kinds of food, Raghunatha dasa purchased it all. He gave them the price for their goods and later fed them the very same food. Anyone who came to see how these funny things were going on was also fed chipped rice, yogurt and bananas. After Lord Nityananda Prabhu finished eating, He washed His hands and mouth and gave Raghunatha dasa the food remaining in the four pots. There was food remaining in the three other big pots of Lord Nityananda, and a brahmana distributed it to all the devotees, giving a morsel to each. Then a brahmanas brought a flower garland, placed the garland on Nityananda Prabhu’s neck and smeared sandalwood pulp All over His body, When a servant brought betel nuts and offered them to Lord Nityananda, the Lord smiled and chewed them. With His own hands Lord Nityananda Prabhu distributed to all the devotees whatever flower garlands, sandalwood pulp and betel nuts remained
After receiving the remnants of food left by Lord Nityananda Prabhu, Raghunatha dasa, who was greatly happy, ate some and distributed the rest among his own associates. Thus have I described the pastimes of Lord Nityananda Prabhu in relation to the celebrated festival of chipped rice and yogurt...
The following is the description from Sri Caitanya Caritamrta...
In the village of Panihati, Raghunatha dasa obtained an interview with Nityananda Prabhu who was accompanied by many kirtana performers, servants and others. Sitting on a rock under a tree on the bank of the Ganges, Lord Nityananda seemed as effulgent as hundreds and thousands of rising suns. Many devotees sat on the ground surrounding Him. Seeing the influence of Nityananda Prabhu, Raghunatha dasa was astonished. Raghunatha dasa offered his obeisances by falling prostrate at a distant place, and the servant of Nityananda Prabhu pointed out, “There is Raghunatha dasa, offering You obeisances.”
Hearing this, Lord Nityananda Prabhu said, “You are a thief. Now you have come to see Me. Come here, come here. Today I shall punish you,” the Lord called him, but Raghunatha dasa did not go near the Lord. Then the Lord forcibly caught him and placed His lotus feet upon Raghunatha dasa’s head. “Make a festival and feed all My associates yogurt and chipped rice.” Hearing this, Raghunatha dasa was greatly pleased.
Raghunatha dasa brought chipped rice, yogurt, milk. sweetmeats, sugar, bananas and ether eatables and placed them all around. As soon as they heard that a festival was going to be held, all kinds of brahmanas and other gentlemen began to arrive. Thus there were innumerable people. Seeing the crowd increasing, Raghunatha dasa arranged to get more eatables from other villages. He also brought two to four hundred large, round pots. He also obtained five or seven especially large earthen pots, and in these pots a brahmana began soaking chipped rice for the satisfaction of Lard Nityananda.
In one place, chipped rice was soaked in hot milk in each of the large pots. then half the rice was mixed with yogurt, sugar and bananas. The other half was mixed with condensed milk and a special type of banana known as canpa-kala. Then sugar, clarified butter and camphor were added. After Nityananda Prabhu had changed His cloth far a new one and sat on a raised platform, the brahmana brought before Him the seven huge pots.
On that platform all the most important associates of Shri Nityananda Prabhu, as well as ether important men, sat down in a circle around the Lord. Among them were Ramadasa, Sundarananda, Gadadhara dasa, Murari, Kamalakara, Sadasiva and Purandara. Dhananjaya, Jagadisa, Paramesvara dasa, Mahesa, Gauridas and Hoda Krishnadasa were also there, Similarly, Uddharana Datta Thakura and many other personal associates of the Lord sat on the raised platform with Nityananda Prabhu. No one could count them all.
Hearing about the festival, all kinds of learned scholars, brahmanas and priests went there, Lord Nityananda Prabhu honored them and made them sit on the raised platform with Him. Everyone was offered two earthen pots. In one was put chipped rice with condensed milk and in the ether chipped rice with yogurt. All the other People sat in groups around the platform. No one could count how many people there were. Each and every one of them was supplied two earthen pots, one of chipped rice soaked in yogurt and the other of chipped rice soaked in condensed milk.
Some of the brahmanas, not having gotten a place on the platform, went to the bank of the Ganges with their two earthen pots and soaked their chipped rice there. Others, who could not get a place even on the bank of the Ganges, got down into the water and began eating their two kinds of chipped rice. Thus some sat on the platform ,some at the base of the platform, and some on the bank of the Ganges, and they were all supplied two pots each by the twenty men who distributed the food.
At that time, Raghava Pandita arrived there. Seeing the situation, he began to laugh in great surprise. He brought many other kinds of food cooked in ghee and offered them to the Lord. This prasada he first placed before Lord Nityananda and then distributed among the devotees. Raghava Pandita said to Lord Nityananda, “For You, sir, I have already offered food to the Deity, but You are engaged in a festival here, and so the food is lying there untouched.”
Lord Nityananda replied, “Let Me eat all this food here during the day, and I shall eat at your home at night. I belong to a community of cowherd boys, and therefore I generally have many cowherd associates with Me. I am happy when we eat together in a picnic like this by the sandy bank of the river. Lord Nityananda made Raghava Pandita sit down and had two pots delivered to him also. There were two kinds of chipped rice soaked in them.
When chipped rice had been served to everyone, Lord Nityananda Prabhu, in meditation, brought Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. When Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu arrived, Lord Nityananda Prabhu stood up. They then saw how the others were enjoying the chipped rice with yogurt and condensed milk. From each and every pot, Lord Nityananda Prabhu took one morsel of chipped rice and pushed it into the mouth of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as a joke. In this way Lord Nityananda was walking through all the groups of eaters, and all the Vaisnavas standing there were seeing the fun.
No one could understand what Nityananda Prabhu was doing as He walked about. Some, however, who were very fortunate, could see that Lord Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was also present. Then Nityananda Prabhu smiled and sat down. On His right side He kept four pots of chipped rice that had not been made from boiled paddy. Lord Nityananda offered Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu a place and had Him sit dawn. Then together the two brothers began eating chipped rice. Seeing Cord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu eating with Him, Lord Nityananda Prabhu became very happy and exhibited varieties of ecstatic love. Lord Nityananda Prabhu ordered, “All of you eat, chanting the holy name of Hari. Immediately the holy names “Hari Hari” resounded, filling the entire universe.
When all the Vaisnavas were chanting the holy names “Hari Hari” and eating, they remembered how Krishna and Balarama ate with their companions, the cowherd boys, on the bank of the Yamuna. Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Nityananda Prabhu are extremely merciful and liberal. It was Raghunatha dasa’s good fortune that They accepted all these dealings. Who can understand the influence and mercy of Lord Nityananda Prabhu? He is so powerful that He induced Lord Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to come eat chipped rice on the bank of the Ganges. All the confidential devotees who were Cowherd boys, headed by Shri Ramadas, were absorbed in ecstatic love. They thought the bank of the Ganges to be the bank of the Yamuna.
When the shopkeepers of many other villages heard about the festival, they arrived there to sell chipped rice, yogurt, sweetmeats and bananas. As they came, bringing all kinds of food, Raghunatha dasa purchased it all. He gave them the price for their goods and later fed them the very same food. Anyone who came to see how these funny things were going on was also fed chipped rice, yogurt and bananas. After Lord Nityananda Prabhu finished eating, He washed His hands and mouth and gave Raghunatha dasa the food remaining in the four pots. There was food remaining in the three other big pots of Lord Nityananda, and a brahmana distributed it to all the devotees, giving a morsel to each. Then a brahmanas brought a flower garland, placed the garland on Nityananda Prabhu’s neck and smeared sandalwood pulp All over His body, When a servant brought betel nuts and offered them to Lord Nityananda, the Lord smiled and chewed them. With His own hands Lord Nityananda Prabhu distributed to all the devotees whatever flower garlands, sandalwood pulp and betel nuts remained
After receiving the remnants of food left by Lord Nityananda Prabhu, Raghunatha dasa, who was greatly happy, ate some and distributed the rest among his own associates. Thus have I described the pastimes of Lord Nityananda Prabhu in relation to the celebrated festival of chipped rice and yogurt...
Monday, June 25, 2018
Purujit's BLISS Changed Bhagavad Gita (Update)
Reply to Makanchora and Purujit (BLISS)
BY: VIDURA MAHATMA DAS
25 JUNE, 2018
I’m going to spare readers the headache of having to go through a trivial chain of replies-to-replies and try to briefly present the core arguments presented by BLISS, which they have basically reiterated in various ways throughout their reply.
BLISS’ words in quotations.
Srila Prabhupada’s Gita 1972 is not authorized?
“So, Prabhupada authorizes Hayagriva to put his own thoughts into his books? Or to omit Srila Prabhupada objections to the so-called moon-landing? These are just a few examples of very obvious differences from the original manuscripts or in this case dictation tapes in Hayagriva’s edition. How are these particular changes authorized by Srila Prabhupada?”
BLISS has the authorized Gita?
“The editorial change by Purujit Prabhu is therefore authorized on the basis of manuscript, word for word translation and many other quotes as mentioned above.”
Contradiction to save face
“…the B.L.I.S.S. devotees DO NOT say that MacMillan edition is bogus or unauthorized…”
[PADA: No, they just say the 1972 Gita is the rascal edited edition? How is that not saying it is bogus?]
Straw-man argument
“Srila Prabhupada does not draft or brainstorm. Is he a conditioned soul that he has to speculate to write his books? So many times Srila Prabhupada mentioned that his books are dictated by Krsna. Do you think Krsna drafts something and only after consulting with Hayagriva it can be published?”
A multitude of Gitas?
"There can be multitude of Gitas all bona fide if the meaning is preserved. We accept all of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions as pertinent to us as he would be physcially present."
More straw-man arguments
“Why are we denying a spiritual guidance of Srila Prabhupada through vani in the matter of editing his books? Why this partiality?”
Missing the point
“In the Rascal editors conversation Srila Prabhupada says, “The next printing should be again to the original way.” Then he asks: “What to do?” and Tamal suggests, that they “have to go over all of the books and make sure that they’re perfect before they’re printed again.” I want to emphasize the word ALL. All the books, no exclusion. Srila Prabhupada doesn’t exclude for example the Bhagavad-gita from the list. All the books means all the books and there is a reason for this.”
My simple reply to BLISS
BLISS has no right to pick and choose which of Hayagriva’s editorial work Srila Prabhupada wanted or did not want in his books. We give preference to the 1972 Gita that Srila Prabhupada approved of, mass distributed, read from and lectured from for FIVE YEARS up to his disappearance. Whatever is there in the 1972 Gita, Srila Prabhupada approved of. Claiming otherwise is speculation and an insult to Srila Prabhupada.
As for the Rascal Editors conversation, the issue being discussed is changes made from earlier printings of the books – not from manuscripts. It’s logically impossible to conclude from the Rascal Editors conversation that Srila Prabhupada is asking for all of his books to be reedited according to manuscripts, transcriptions, lectures, “other quotes”, etc. Rather, Srila Prabhupada is simply requesting their original printed forms to be printed again. Despite a lengthy reply, BLISS has fallen short of proving otherwise.
Challenge to BLISS
BY: VIDURA MAHATMA DAS
25 JUNE, 2018
I’m going to spare readers the headache of having to go through a trivial chain of replies-to-replies and try to briefly present the core arguments presented by BLISS, which they have basically reiterated in various ways throughout their reply.
BLISS’ words in quotations.
Srila Prabhupada’s Gita 1972 is not authorized?
“So, Prabhupada authorizes Hayagriva to put his own thoughts into his books? Or to omit Srila Prabhupada objections to the so-called moon-landing? These are just a few examples of very obvious differences from the original manuscripts or in this case dictation tapes in Hayagriva’s edition. How are these particular changes authorized by Srila Prabhupada?”
BLISS has the authorized Gita?
“The editorial change by Purujit Prabhu is therefore authorized on the basis of manuscript, word for word translation and many other quotes as mentioned above.”
Contradiction to save face
“…the B.L.I.S.S. devotees DO NOT say that MacMillan edition is bogus or unauthorized…”
[PADA: No, they just say the 1972 Gita is the rascal edited edition? How is that not saying it is bogus?]
Straw-man argument
“Srila Prabhupada does not draft or brainstorm. Is he a conditioned soul that he has to speculate to write his books? So many times Srila Prabhupada mentioned that his books are dictated by Krsna. Do you think Krsna drafts something and only after consulting with Hayagriva it can be published?”
A multitude of Gitas?
"There can be multitude of Gitas all bona fide if the meaning is preserved. We accept all of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions as pertinent to us as he would be physcially present."
More straw-man arguments
“Why are we denying a spiritual guidance of Srila Prabhupada through vani in the matter of editing his books? Why this partiality?”
Missing the point
“In the Rascal editors conversation Srila Prabhupada says, “The next printing should be again to the original way.” Then he asks: “What to do?” and Tamal suggests, that they “have to go over all of the books and make sure that they’re perfect before they’re printed again.” I want to emphasize the word ALL. All the books, no exclusion. Srila Prabhupada doesn’t exclude for example the Bhagavad-gita from the list. All the books means all the books and there is a reason for this.”
My simple reply to BLISS
BLISS has no right to pick and choose which of Hayagriva’s editorial work Srila Prabhupada wanted or did not want in his books. We give preference to the 1972 Gita that Srila Prabhupada approved of, mass distributed, read from and lectured from for FIVE YEARS up to his disappearance. Whatever is there in the 1972 Gita, Srila Prabhupada approved of. Claiming otherwise is speculation and an insult to Srila Prabhupada.
As for the Rascal Editors conversation, the issue being discussed is changes made from earlier printings of the books – not from manuscripts. It’s logically impossible to conclude from the Rascal Editors conversation that Srila Prabhupada is asking for all of his books to be reedited according to manuscripts, transcriptions, lectures, “other quotes”, etc. Rather, Srila Prabhupada is simply requesting their original printed forms to be printed again. Despite a lengthy reply, BLISS has fallen short of proving otherwise.
Challenge to BLISS
Show where Srila Prabhupada requests that his 1972 edition Gita be reedited from manuscripts, lectures, etc.
Show how the Rascal Editors conversation pertains to reverting changes made from a manuscript (your premise) as opposed to reverting changes made from already-printed editions of books (my premise).
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PADA: Dear Makhanchor das: Unfortunately, saying that Srila Prabhupada is printing, promoting, blessing, and giving classes from a rascal edited book is not acceptable to me, whatever else anyone has to say on the topic. To say Srila Prabhupada is quoting rascal's books is not going to be accepted by any sincere follower of his, ever.
Show how the Rascal Editors conversation pertains to reverting changes made from a manuscript (your premise) as opposed to reverting changes made from already-printed editions of books (my premise).
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PADA: Dear Makhanchor das: Unfortunately, saying that Srila Prabhupada is printing, promoting, blessing, and giving classes from a rascal edited book is not acceptable to me, whatever else anyone has to say on the topic. To say Srila Prabhupada is quoting rascal's books is not going to be accepted by any sincere follower of his, ever.
As for your using the word "initiate" the way you want to use it, this is speculation, another thing that will not be accepted. Srila Prabhupada discussed the final sanskrit versions with Pradyumna and others, we do not know what was discussed, we simply only know what was finally used and accepted and printed.
As soon as I began to complain that you folks are saying Srila Prabhupada is using a rascal edited book, our conversation was deleted or blocked. Do you know how many hundreds of times this has happened to me with GBC people already?
And, Srila Prabhupada also discussed the editing he wanted ongoing with various editors, how do you know what he wanted changed or did not want changed? That is probably the first problem ... and how do we know he wants Purujit to change it the way he has done? I have no idea how you folks claim to know this?
And notice, now you people are saying those of us who accept the original printings are fools and rascals. That means de facto, you are saying Srila Prabhupada was wrong for accepting these printings. Where are you guys headed with all this? You do not know what was discussed on the editing, plain and simple. The only thing we know for sure is -- what was finally approved and used. ys pd
Saturday, June 23, 2018
Why child abuse in ISKCON will never stop (anonymous)
[PADA: Child abuse -- is one of a number of abuses, and it another feature of exploiting in general. And the GBC's "guru system" has been proven to have empowered and facilitated that process on many levels by orchestrating the exploiting of: brahmanas, women, children and cows, and / or the vulnerable overall. This devotee writer has no faith that ISKCON can be recovered. Maybe he is right.
Of course if the actual child abuse process cannot really be stopped fully, then ISKCON will die out all by itself because gradually people will refuse to participate. This is basically what happened in the Gaudiya Matha, people could not tolerate their exploiting and abusive leaders, so their program became nearly an empty ghost town.
Of course if the actual child abuse process cannot really be stopped fully, then ISKCON will die out all by itself because gradually people will refuse to participate. This is basically what happened in the Gaudiya Matha, people could not tolerate their exploiting and abusive leaders, so their program became nearly an empty ghost town.
ISKCON certainly cannot be repaired easily in its present state.
And he furthermore thinks that the GBC's guru's enablers, hangers on, leaders on payroll, assorted cheer leaders, sycophants, and various levels of "rank and file" do NOT have much interest in fixing this mess either. OK there are some sincere people in and around ISKCON, but they have little real powers to change events at this point.
At the same time, we are making at least some inroads into the ISKCON rank and file gradually, because more and more of them want to emphasize the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and read his original books and so forth. At best, its a reform in slow motion, emphasis on slow.
Anyway, the slow but steady win in the end. Hopefully, some sort of gradual and genuine reform will be the end result. It certainly does not look very hopeful to many folks at this point, thus there is still an exodus of sincere people out of the institution. At least the good news is -- we snag a few of them here and there into our Prabhupadanuga process. ys pd]
To PADA @ angel108b@yahoo.com
Hare Krsna,
It is perfectly clear to most readers (or should be), that ISKCON has not functioned as a spiritually valid organization since Srila Prabhupada left. The list of deviations and crimes committed, primarily by its leaders, are extensive. Many such crimes have been well documented. We also know that the Gaudiya Math suffered a similar fate and history.
When the founders of the above-mentioned institutions were present they were able to keep the most dangerous of these deviants from completely compromising their respective institutions. But, after their disappearances, it really became a free for all.
For both these societies, one of the very worst spiritual crimes committed by the misleadership was when the leading demons created the apasiddhantic guru-voting system - where mundane men become authorized 'as good as God' gurus. The Gaudiya Math also had these competing 'God men,' but in a slightly different mundane-acarya format. Same stuff in a different bottle. By 'legislating divinity,' such institutions provide a cover sufficient to fool the general masses and which thereby allow for the leading elites to engage in all sorts of spiritual and material criminal activities. The institution thus becomes a sanctuary for criminals. This behaviour is part and parcel of such modern religious institutions, as confirmed by Srila Bhakltisiddhanta Sarasvati:
"The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil."
(Excerpted from the essay "Putana" printed in the January 1932 edition of The Harmonist, or Sree Sajjanatoshani)
Other primary evidence of spiritually criminal activities in ISKCON include allowing unlimited changes to the Founder-acarya's books and the incorporation of the body of the GBC. That the 'Pledge of Allegiance,' which Srila Prabhupda wrote, has been altered to promote the artificial authority of the GBC over its Founder-acarya, is no surprise. The GBC bylaws are additional evidence of this.
So the GBC have since led Srila Prabhupda's movement into an apasiddhantic slide ever since 1977, and are taking all its ‘members’ along with it. Everyone who considers themselves part of this current unbonafide 'ISKCON,' at any and all levels, is implicated in these crimes to varying degrees. All in all it simply amounts to mass guru aparadha by everyone involved, from the smallest peon to the biggest charlatan.
The systemic and extensive child abuse we have seen and still see in ISKCON, as well as the subsequent cover up and protection of the elite abusers, continues year after year. This is exhibited by the latest of Hryananda's and now Dhira Govinda’s demoniac and "gutless wonder" weak responses.
Unfortunately, 'ISKCON (rank and file) members' are party to these crimes, as they function to prop up and over-glorify these leaders no end. And then one wonders where such demon leaders get their false egos, which in turn encourages them to continue abusing victims of child abuse?
It is from the rank and file themselves.
Sure, these demon leaders may have been possessed of such rampant arrogance and conceit at conception, yet now all ISKCON members engage in the constant over-glorification of these men and women (such as Laxmimoni, Urmila and Malati), which only serves to feed these monsters their unlimited desires for name and fame, profit, adoration and distinction.
The exploitation of children by these men and women and the voting-in-of-guru systems go hand in hand. Fanning the flames of unrestricted false ego in turn creates a lack of empathy and compassion and continued extreme narcissism. These false egos need to be constantly fed, and what (whom) is the necessary fuel to feed these fires? It comes in the form of the weakest and most vulnerable - the children. The easiest of prey.
And of course, the ISKCON schools produce the primary fodder for these gurus false egos. Laxmimoni was one who helped to serve these children to her God brothers on a platter, as do all other ISKCON educators, intentionally or not. Urmila is another who has operated to funnel children to her God brothers' false egos for years via the ISKCON education system. She is thus only trying to get her payback in the form of guruship herself, what she thinks she is owed by the system.
It is also well-known that the CPO-convicted child abuser, Sri Radhe, Indradyumna's disciple and previous Principal of Sri Anasuya Vidyalaya (what a pretentious name!) Mayapur, is another insane person who used these girls as her personal slaves. Firsthand accounts of the extensive abuse were proven and showed that the school was essentially a feeder school for Indradyumna, who requires a constant stream of young ladies (the younger you get them the better) to join his ‘preaching program’ (read: harem), to satisfy his own lust for mundane enjoyment, those of his lusty male followers and the lusty public.
It is also well-known that the CPO-convicted child abuser, Sri Radhe, Indradyumna's disciple and previous Principal of Sri Anasuya Vidyalaya (what a pretentious name!) Mayapur, is another insane person who used these girls as her personal slaves. Firsthand accounts of the extensive abuse were proven and showed that the school was essentially a feeder school for Indradyumna, who requires a constant stream of young ladies (the younger you get them the better) to join his ‘preaching program’ (read: harem), to satisfy his own lust for mundane enjoyment, those of his lusty male followers and the lusty public.
That Sri Radhe was an unstable emotional manipulator using young girls for her own purposes was well known to Indradyumna, who happily took these kids as his own disciples in due course. They had thus been well-trained to comply. and became conditioned to being exploited. Sri Radhe was also given that prime posting after having an affair with Bhakti Vidya Purna, the co-creator of that entire bogus evil ‘educational system’ and long time creator/ supervisor of abusive school systems in the holy dham. One can also suppose that Sri Radhe 'jumped the gun' and became a 'defacto guru' prior to going through the proper ISKCON voting channels, and hence part of her slap-down was political. No one likes an upstart!
Like Sri Radhe, Laxmimoni is another rampant false ego individual who was overworshiped. The girls she abused and was engaged to ‘look after’ became disciples of her God brothers. She now just wants what she believes is also her ‘God-given right’ - guruship. Hrdayananda loves her, as he sees that rampant false ego that she possesses, in himself, yet in female form. These types stick together, all bodily differences aside. In fact, ISKCON’s gay gurus have that same narcissism. It is all equal opportunity for narcissists at ISKCON’s top end. No discrimination up there.
ISKCON as it stands will never rid itself of child abuse, simply because it legitimises and incorporates into its entire identity the very thing that creates a sanctuary for child abusers - the 'divine right of kings,' the bogus guru-voting system. Without such a system, children have a better chance of being protected and cared for properly. Yet that is unlikely to happen as 'ISKCON' now is simply an extension of Kali. It’s primary purpose is exploitation of others.
Neither should people ever look to 'improving ISKCON' in the realm of child protection, or in any other area. It is a failed institution and will never be useful again. As Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati further states in his essay:
"The idea of an organised church in an intelligible form, indeed, marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dikes and the dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bona-fide spiritual teacher. The people of this world understand preventive systems, they have no idea at all of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthy contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale.
Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state in any worldly sense from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly aspirants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo-teachers of religion, the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the real theistic disposition can never be stifled by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheist. It is a thankless but salutary task which they perform for the benefit of their unwilling victims."
Kali Yuga is an age where the demons are running things, including religious organizations. They will continue to abuse children, if not under the ISKCON banner, then under another similar banner. Those who wish to protect their children and their own spiritual lives, would do well to remove themselves from 'ISKCON,' as well as all from those who claim to be its 'members.' All such similar fake spiritual institutions should be strictly avoided for one's spiritual health.
Like Sri Radhe, Laxmimoni is another rampant false ego individual who was overworshiped. The girls she abused and was engaged to ‘look after’ became disciples of her God brothers. She now just wants what she believes is also her ‘God-given right’ - guruship. Hrdayananda loves her, as he sees that rampant false ego that she possesses, in himself, yet in female form. These types stick together, all bodily differences aside. In fact, ISKCON’s gay gurus have that same narcissism. It is all equal opportunity for narcissists at ISKCON’s top end. No discrimination up there.
ISKCON as it stands will never rid itself of child abuse, simply because it legitimises and incorporates into its entire identity the very thing that creates a sanctuary for child abusers - the 'divine right of kings,' the bogus guru-voting system. Without such a system, children have a better chance of being protected and cared for properly. Yet that is unlikely to happen as 'ISKCON' now is simply an extension of Kali. It’s primary purpose is exploitation of others.
Neither should people ever look to 'improving ISKCON' in the realm of child protection, or in any other area. It is a failed institution and will never be useful again. As Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati further states in his essay:
"The idea of an organised church in an intelligible form, indeed, marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dikes and the dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bona-fide spiritual teacher. The people of this world understand preventive systems, they have no idea at all of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthy contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale.
Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state in any worldly sense from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly aspirants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo-teachers of religion, the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the real theistic disposition can never be stifled by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheist. It is a thankless but salutary task which they perform for the benefit of their unwilling victims."
Kali Yuga is an age where the demons are running things, including religious organizations. They will continue to abuse children, if not under the ISKCON banner, then under another similar banner. Those who wish to protect their children and their own spiritual lives, would do well to remove themselves from 'ISKCON,' as well as all from those who claim to be its 'members.' All such similar fake spiritual institutions should be strictly avoided for one's spiritual health.
Friday, June 22, 2018
Krishna Describes Kali Yuga
Krishna describes kaliyuga
Once the four Pandavas (except Yudhishthira who was not present) asked Krishna:
"What is Kaliyuga and what will happen during Kaliyuga?"
Krishna smiled and said "Let me demonstrate to you, the situation of Kaliyuga." He took a bow and four arrows and shot them in four directions and ordered the four Pandavas to go and bring them back.
Each of the four Pandavas went in the four different directions to search for the arrows.
When Arjuna picked an arrow, he heard a very sweet voice. He turned around and saw a cuckoo singing in a spellbinding voice but was also eating flesh of a live rabbit which was in great pain. Arjuna was very surprised to see such a gory act by such a divine bird he left the place immediately.
Bhima picked arrow from a place, where five wells were situated. The four wells were surrounding a single well. The four wells were overflowing with very sweet water as if they were not able to hold water and surprisingly the well in the middle of these four overflowing wells was completely empty. Bhima was also puzzled at this sight.
Nakula was returning to the place after picking up the arrow. He stopped at a place where a cow was about to give birth. After giving birth the cow started licking the calf but continued to lick it even after the calf was clean. With great difficulty people were able to separate them and by that time the calf was injured badly. Nakula was puzzled by the behaviour of such a calm animal.
Sahadeva picked arrow which fell near a mountain and saw a big boulder falling. The boulder was crushing the rocks and big trees on its way down, but the same boulder was stopped by a small plant. Sahadeva was also amazed at this sight.
All the Pandavas asked the meaning of these incidents. Krishna smiled and started explaining...
"In Kaliyuga, the priests will have very sweet voice and will also have great knowledge but they will exploit devotees the same way cuckoo was doing with rabbit.
In Kaliyuga poor will live among rich, those rich will have enormous amount of wealth which will actually overflow but they will not offer a single penny to the poor same as the four wells didn't have a single drop of water for the empty well.
In Kaliyuga parents will love their children so much that their love will actually spoil them and will destroy their lives similar to the love shown by cow to her newborn calf.
In Kaliyuga people will fall in terms of character like the boulder from the mountain and they will not be stopped by anyone at the end only the name of God will be able to hold them from doom like the little plant held the boulder from further fall."
Once the four Pandavas (except Yudhishthira who was not present) asked Krishna:
"What is Kaliyuga and what will happen during Kaliyuga?"
Krishna smiled and said "Let me demonstrate to you, the situation of Kaliyuga." He took a bow and four arrows and shot them in four directions and ordered the four Pandavas to go and bring them back.
Each of the four Pandavas went in the four different directions to search for the arrows.
When Arjuna picked an arrow, he heard a very sweet voice. He turned around and saw a cuckoo singing in a spellbinding voice but was also eating flesh of a live rabbit which was in great pain. Arjuna was very surprised to see such a gory act by such a divine bird he left the place immediately.
Bhima picked arrow from a place, where five wells were situated. The four wells were surrounding a single well. The four wells were overflowing with very sweet water as if they were not able to hold water and surprisingly the well in the middle of these four overflowing wells was completely empty. Bhima was also puzzled at this sight.
Nakula was returning to the place after picking up the arrow. He stopped at a place where a cow was about to give birth. After giving birth the cow started licking the calf but continued to lick it even after the calf was clean. With great difficulty people were able to separate them and by that time the calf was injured badly. Nakula was puzzled by the behaviour of such a calm animal.
Sahadeva picked arrow which fell near a mountain and saw a big boulder falling. The boulder was crushing the rocks and big trees on its way down, but the same boulder was stopped by a small plant. Sahadeva was also amazed at this sight.
All the Pandavas asked the meaning of these incidents. Krishna smiled and started explaining...
"In Kaliyuga, the priests will have very sweet voice and will also have great knowledge but they will exploit devotees the same way cuckoo was doing with rabbit.
In Kaliyuga poor will live among rich, those rich will have enormous amount of wealth which will actually overflow but they will not offer a single penny to the poor same as the four wells didn't have a single drop of water for the empty well.
In Kaliyuga parents will love their children so much that their love will actually spoil them and will destroy their lives similar to the love shown by cow to her newborn calf.
In Kaliyuga people will fall in terms of character like the boulder from the mountain and they will not be stopped by anyone at the end only the name of God will be able to hold them from doom like the little plant held the boulder from further fall."
Hanuman Croatia on "Radhanath's Nose Pressing Yoga"
Hanuman is upset we are not promoting his GBC guru parampara
Hanuman das: This morning, we received amazing quote on Facebook from one of my Facebook friends.
Madhudvisa: And in other Russian… But these countries are all under Communist rule. It is very difficult in those countries.
Prabhupada: Not difficult. Nothing is difficult. For the time being it is difficult but in due course of time it will be very easy. Now who knew that in Europe and America or all over the world, Hare Krsna will go on? Bon Maharaja left the field; others left the field. You see? Other swamis came. They talked all nonsense, yoga, this and that, nose pressing, eyes pressing — all finished. Now Hare Krsna is going on. Now people, the nose-presser and eyes-presser, they are no more important. Is it not? Eh? Now our men go and challenge these rascals. And in New York they did it, huh?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: And they are afraid of our troops. (laughter) They are afraid.
Madhudvisa: One of those nose-pressers, he once was speaking, and he said, “These Hare Krsna people, they like me very much. They always come to my lectures and they sell all the books, all their books, and then they go away before I start to talk.”
Prabhupada: “You go on pressing your nose. We make our business and go away.” (laughter)
Madhudvisa: He was speaking like that because our men go into the lecture dressed in disguise, plain clothes, and we are going in the audience selling books to everyone. They all get the book, and then, when he begins to speak, then we all turn around and go out.
Prabhupada: Yes, they did it in the Guru Maharaji’s camp also. Hundreds of Bhagavad-gita As It Is sold.
Satsvarupa: Thousands.
Prabhupada: Thousands. So we take advantage of this meeting. We do our business and go away. And they have no books. They have simply that pressing of nose, that’s all, nothing else. They have no philosophy, nothing of the sort. What they will write? They have no philosophy. Simply cheat that “Press your nose; you get Bhagavan.” That’s all. And people think, “It is so easy. Why shall I go to Bhaktivedanta Swami? Let me go to this Guru Maharaja.”They think like that.
And some of our men, feeling too much pressure, they go away. But here there is nothing cheap, that simply by pressing nose and eyes and you become God. Don’t make compromise. This principle must be observed. Then you’ll remain strong. As soon as you make compromise, then it is finished. Drdha-vratah. Find out this verse. Drdha-vratah. What is that? Bhajante mam drdha-vratah. Namasyantas ca mam…
Caru: Bhajante mam drdha-vratah.
Prabhupada: Ah, ah. That drdha-vratah must be there, strong determination. Then it will go on. The scientists will come to learn and the psychiatrists will come to learn if you keep drdha-vratah. And as soon as you make compromise, then nobody will care for.” (Room Conversation with Devotees — July 2, 1974, Melbourne)
Conclusion
As you can see, Prabhupada wanted us to “challenge these rascals”, but I don’t see in ISKCON many brave Prabhupada’s followers who are publicly challenging this nonsense. You think you will earn Prabhupada’s mercy by hiding under your wife’s sari? Oh, yea, I forgot, we must be “humble”. Radhanath baba nose presser is “senior, pure devotee” and we should “be humble” and let him convert Prabhupada’s society into nose pressing society.
And all the senior members of ISKCON, who are supposed to protect ISKCON against deviants such as Radhanath baba, they are writing papers and articles about Astasakhi lila. Well, when any of Krishna’s confidential gopis come to this material world, they blast mayavadis and nose-pressers so badly that they constantly live in fear. One of such gopis was Bhaktisiddhanatha Sarasvati.
So, whoever thinks that they will earn their entrance into spiritual world by staying silent, while Sacinandana baba and his girlfriend are misleading people, while Radhanath baba is making money by telling people to press their nose, I have to tell you, you will never get Prabhupada’s mercy by staying silent while his movement is being destroyed. As Prabhupada said in this quote, “As soon as you make compromise, then it is finished.” And that is exactly what is happening to ISKCON.
Conclusion
As you can see, Prabhupada wanted us to “challenge these rascals”, but I don’t see in ISKCON many brave Prabhupada’s followers who are publicly challenging this nonsense. You think you will earn Prabhupada’s mercy by hiding under your wife’s sari? Oh, yea, I forgot, we must be “humble”. Radhanath baba nose presser is “senior, pure devotee” and we should “be humble” and let him convert Prabhupada’s society into nose pressing society.
And all the senior members of ISKCON, who are supposed to protect ISKCON against deviants such as Radhanath baba, they are writing papers and articles about Astasakhi lila. Well, when any of Krishna’s confidential gopis come to this material world, they blast mayavadis and nose-pressers so badly that they constantly live in fear. One of such gopis was Bhaktisiddhanatha Sarasvati.
So, whoever thinks that they will earn their entrance into spiritual world by staying silent, while Sacinandana baba and his girlfriend are misleading people, while Radhanath baba is making money by telling people to press their nose, I have to tell you, you will never get Prabhupada’s mercy by staying silent while his movement is being destroyed. As Prabhupada said in this quote, “As soon as you make compromise, then it is finished.” And that is exactly what is happening to ISKCON.
[PADA: We should not promote and work with those who have compromised with the GBC's bogus guru parampara, such as Radhanath swami, and his "co-voted in gurus" like Bhakti Vikas swami. Ooops! Except Hanuman Croatia, Kim Moller, Ajit Krishna, Torben types tell us -- we need to cooperate and work with at least some of the GBC's "voted in" gurus, because not all of them are bogus. One of them such as BVKS, who was voted in by the rest of them, is bona fide?
So we should challenge the rascals and their idea that gurus are "voted in" by debauchees and deviants, except when it comes to BVKS, we have to promote him and worship him, never mind he is voted into the illicit sex guru's process? Never mind various ex-kulis have had to chastise BVKS for compromising with the abuse regime, and his even apologizing and defending that regime?
Wait a minute?
You mean to say Bhakti Vikas swami is bona fide? And the reason BVKS is bona fide is: BVKS is the "2/3 show of hands voted in" "sannyasa disciple" (hand maiden) of Jayapataka swami, the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage? How is this bona fide? BVKS is voted into the illicit sex acharya's guru lineage, and this means he is bona fide?
*** Lately (see links below) we have seen that more and more of the ex-kulis are complaining that BVKS is defending the GBC's child abuser's regime. OK, but he has done that all along since 1978? This simply means -- more folks are waking up. Why would we want to promote this regime, or any of its members -- such as BVKS?
*** And then again BVKS has supported that conditioned souls (like Jayapataka) can be diksha gurus and absorb sins like Jesus is doing. Isn't that making his God brothers fall down, get sick, suffer and die?
*** And then again there is a lot of evidence BVKS is good pals with Radhanath swami, and as such -- BVKS RETRACTED and APOLOGIZED his attack on Radhanath's crazy book with photos of "yoga masters." Why do we have to apologize for criticizing the yoga master's hodge podge program?
[PADA: No, devotees should not vote for politicians, but they should vote for illicit sex acharyas?
Anyway! Now we have the Hanuman types saying we Prabhupada-centered devotees are bogus for promoting worshiping of Srila Prabhupada. Yep, no one should offer grace and baptize people on behalf of Jesus. We should offer grace and baptize people on behalf of -- BVKS and his illicit sex guru's process? Its not going to make a whole lot of converts? If Jayapataka and his pals are not able to absorb sins without dire results, why would BVKS be qualified to absorb sins either? And if they are not qualified to be diksha gurus, if for no other reason than they compromised with the sexual predator guru parampara, then why should we promote these people -- and "compromise with rascals" as Hanuman says?]
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So we should challenge the rascals and their idea that gurus are "voted in" by debauchees and deviants, except when it comes to BVKS, we have to promote him and worship him, never mind he is voted into the illicit sex guru's process? Never mind various ex-kulis have had to chastise BVKS for compromising with the abuse regime, and his even apologizing and defending that regime?
Wait a minute?
Radhanath and his pals, ok BVKS.
You mean to say Bhakti Vikas swami is bona fide? And the reason BVKS is bona fide is: BVKS is the "2/3 show of hands voted in" "sannyasa disciple" (hand maiden) of Jayapataka swami, the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage? How is this bona fide? BVKS is voted into the illicit sex acharya's guru lineage, and this means he is bona fide?
*** Lately (see links below) we have seen that more and more of the ex-kulis are complaining that BVKS is defending the GBC's child abuser's regime. OK, but he has done that all along since 1978? This simply means -- more folks are waking up. Why would we want to promote this regime, or any of its members -- such as BVKS?
*** And then again BVKS has supported that conditioned souls (like Jayapataka) can be diksha gurus and absorb sins like Jesus is doing. Isn't that making his God brothers fall down, get sick, suffer and die?
*** And then again there is a lot of evidence BVKS is good pals with Radhanath swami, and as such -- BVKS RETRACTED and APOLOGIZED his attack on Radhanath's crazy book with photos of "yoga masters." Why do we have to apologize for criticizing the yoga master's hodge podge program?
[PADA: No, devotees should not vote for politicians, but they should vote for illicit sex acharyas?
Anyway! Now we have the Hanuman types saying we Prabhupada-centered devotees are bogus for promoting worshiping of Srila Prabhupada. Yep, no one should offer grace and baptize people on behalf of Jesus. We should offer grace and baptize people on behalf of -- BVKS and his illicit sex guru's process? Its not going to make a whole lot of converts? If Jayapataka and his pals are not able to absorb sins without dire results, why would BVKS be qualified to absorb sins either? And if they are not qualified to be diksha gurus, if for no other reason than they compromised with the sexual predator guru parampara, then why should we promote these people -- and "compromise with rascals" as Hanuman says?]
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NOTE: BVKS followers are saying the the other GBC gurus are bogus, and they should be criticized. Why is BVKS saying the guru needs to be chastised?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/05/bhakti-vikas-swami-followers-chastise.html
NOTE: Yes, thanks to BVKS defending deviants in the regime, some folks think he is the person who needs to be removed even before some of the other deviants (and so on) ...
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/06/bhakti-vikas-swami-needs-to-be-removed.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/06/iskcon-leaders-out-of-touch-with-their.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/bhakti-vikas-swami-using-arguments-to.html
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