India Testimony / Ukraine Guru Quits / Re-initiation / Molesting Lawsuit 04 14 24

Challenging The Boss Does Not End Well 

INDIA FEMALE TESTIMONY

Hi mr. PADA. I saw that u share stories of dark side of isckon. Well I am also a victim of manipulation and spiritual bimbofication. My name is ******, I am 18 and I live in kanpur in uttar pradesh. I went to isckon kanpur on my birthday and honestly I loved the place. I wanted to buy something as a souvenir on my birthday so I asked some people some questions. 

Then a boy who is a "vaishnava devotee" comes to me and starts explaining stuff about karma, Krishna consciousness and everything and like told me to buy bhagwad Geeta and also asked for my number so that he can include me in some group. I agreed with him and gave him my number. 

He then made me join a particular group and he used to talk to me. After some time he proposed me and I didn't know anything, so I was like let's give it a shot and although isckon says illicit sex is banned he used to talk about vulgar stuff to me and even talking about meeting him somewhere outside the temple. 

I eventually told him not to talk to me -- and broke up with him then also he used to stick around manipulate me that u will take multiple births and never reach godhead. He even was trying to convince me that I should marry him and start living with him in an ashram. 

He used to drink, smoke and do everything and put restrictions on me for the slightest of things. He used to force me to attend Japa sessions and all of that stuff. Slowly I stopped and he added me in multiple groups. When I stopped his behaviour became very harsh he was extremely rude and everything. 

Slowly I quit all the groups got calls from multiple people and lots of so called matajis telling me stuff. In the end I found out he was a sick creep who used to pretend super spiritual while drinking smoking having multiple girls who were at least 10 years to 15 years younger than him, and he was around 28. 

The manipulation has left me drained from inside and scared too. Plus he is not the only one is isckon kanpur who is like this. There are plenty of people there who prey on us young girls, brainwash them, and make them do disgusting stuff. Please highlight this topic through your blog.

NAME WITHELD

PADA: If anyone has further info on this situation, send to:

angel108b@yahoo.com 

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Russian GBC ISKCON guru does not accept disciples from Ukraine.

The following message is secretly sent out among Ukrainian senior devotees:

"Dear devotees. Please accept my respectful obeisances.

Due to the difficult situation in Ukraine, His Grace Chaitanya Chandra Charan Prabhu, together with the GBC Executive Committee, decided to suspend receiving initiations and pranam mantras for his disciples and candidates located Ukraine.
Your servant Devakinandan Dasa."

This Russian guru, a disciple of Jayapataka, previously spoke out FOR Russia devotees to serve in the Russian army -- if they were mobilized for a war with Ukraine. After this, Ukrainian devotees became very angry with him, and some of his disciples from Ukraine even began to reject him as a guru. 

Now it is obvious that bodily identified hatred has reached such a point that the Russian guru stopped accepting Ukrainian disciples in principle, selecting them on the basis of nationality. That is their spirituality.

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BUY ONE GET TWO FREE

THE PRINCIPLE OF RE-INITIATION IS IMPLEMENTED 

Jayapataka had found an obscure prescription for the practice of re-initiation in Sri Krishna- bhajanamrta by Narahari Thakura and the GBC approved of it. However, nowhere did Srila Prabhupada mention anything in his teachings even remotely similar to re-initiation. It was just a convenient technique adopted by the zonals to deal with the issue of guru falldowns, providing a crude method to clean up the mess their own policies had created. 

Many devotees were reinitiated 2, 3, 4 or more times in the 1980’s. When Jayatirtha defected to Sridhara Maharaja and was then expelled as ISKCON GBC and guru, and even as a member, his zone was given to Bhagavan das Goswami, who flew to England from France. He went about solidifying his control and ensuring the loyalty of the local leaders, changing many of them to his own disciples. 

Then he gave a week’s deadline to Jayatirtha’s disciples to take reinitiation from him or leave. It was a very traumatic time, difficult and heart - wrenching for those who had been sold on the lie that Jayatirtha and the zonal acharyas were pure devotees. Unfortunately, from 1982 onwards until the present, this drama has continued to play out in ISKCON again and again, as ISKCON’s unauthorised gurus fall down from the shastrically - dictated standards, and their disciples are courted by other gurus for re-initiation or “shelter.”

SRILA PRABHUPADA CAN GIVE SHELTER BUT NOT INITIATION? 

When a guru falls down or is otherwise no longer qualified as an initiating guru, the GBC will remove him and issue a standard letter of condolences and advice to the disappointed disciples of that former guru. For example, when in 2016 Gunagrahi Swami, an ISKCON approved guru since 2012, announced that he had an addiction for pornography and thus was resigning as guru, the GBC issued a statement via Bhakticharu Swami with this excerpt: 

“We want to assure you that, since you were duly initiated in accordance with ISKCON law, you are in good spiritual standing. Whether you continue to take shelter, guidance and siksha from Gunagrahi Prabhu [no longer Swami?] is entirely up to you. We encourage you, especially at this time, to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and his instructions, as His Divine Grace is the preeminent siksha guru for all ISKCON devotees. 

"We also encourage you to seek guidance of other senior devotees in ISKCON. As long as you continue to take guidance from Srila Prabhupada and his sincere followers and remain strict in your spiritual practices, you will be safe and secure under Lord Krishna’s protection.”

In other words: do not worry that your initiating guru watches pornography because ISKCON “law” says that such an initiation is still “valid,” and besides, Srila Prabhupada is still there, but only as siksha guru. Whether your diksha initiation actually happened, or whether it is still intact, are unanswered questions that hopefully no one will not know to ask. 

Generally these questions do not arise, and this speaks to the poor quality of intelligence and independent thinking capabilities of today’s ISKCON devotees. They say that one’s siksha guru generally becomes one’s diksha guru- so why is Srila Prabhupada excepted? (see Book Two)” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.554)

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Lord Narasimgha.

So nobody can kill God. The demons, Godless society, they simply want to kill God. But actually, God is never killed, but the demon is killed by God. That is the law of nature. This is the instruction from Prahlad Maharaj’s life. We can understand that as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, mrtyuh sarva-haras caham. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that “I am also death in the shape of taking away everything, whatever you possess.” We are very much proud of possessing material things, material acquisition, but when Krishna comes… just like Maharaj, Prahlad Maharaj saw Hiranyakasipu. His father also saw Nrsimhadeva. 

This Hiranyakasipu was very clever as the materialists, scientists, are very clever. Cleverly they are inventing so many things. What is the idea? The idea is “We shall live forever and enjoy sense gratification more and more.” This is called atheistic advancement of civilization. So Hiranyakasipu was typical materialist. Hiranya means gold, and kasipu means soft bed, cushion. 

So materialist persons, they are very much fond of gold and enjoying sex. That is their business. So Hiranyakasipu is the typical example of this materialistic person. And Prahlad Maharaj, prakrsta-rupena ahlada. Ahlada means transcendental bliss. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhih. Living entities’ real identification is prahlad, blissfulness. But on account of material association, we are in miserable condition of life. 

So this Hiranyakasipu wanted to become immortal, and he underwent penances, severe penances, so much so, the whole universe became trembled. So that Brahma, Lord Brahma, had to come to pacify him, “What do you want?” So he wanted to become immortal. Lord Brahma said that “Although I have got very long duration of life…” 

The duration of life of Brahmaji is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh. Sahasra-yuga, one group of yugas… Satya, Treta, Dvapara, Kali… it becomes about forty-three lakhs of years. And multiply these forty-three lakhs of years by one thousand, that duration of time is Brahma’s twelve hours, one day. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh. 

So that Brahma who lives for millions of trillions of years, still, he has to die. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanu-darsanam. Wherever you go within this material world, either in the Brahmaloka or in the Patala-loka, you have to die. That is the problem. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, “Real problem is janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi, birth, death, old age and disease.” Just try to… 

So Hiranyakasipu wanted to solve these in a materialstic way, but that is not possible. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Kaunteya pratijanihi: “Arjuna, you can declare it all over the world that anyone who has taken shelter at My lotus feet, become devotee, he will never be vanquished.” Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. 

So these are the assurances. But the atheist class of men like Hiranyakasipu cannot understand this. That is the defect. They challenge always God. The dissension between the father and the son was that the son was believer in God, Krishna, and the father was not. So at the end the father saw what is God in the form of death. 

At that time he could not save him. So that is the difference between theist and atheist. The atheist always challenges, “Where is God? Can you show me?” Well, you will see. Not now. Just at the maturation of your all sinful activities, when death will come, you will see Him. This is going on.

So it is very instructive lesson, Prahlad Maharaj. Now it is getting late. Otherwise, I would have recited some of the verses recited by Sri Prahlad Maharaj. Prahlad Maharaj is one of our gurus. There are twelve gurus, or mahajana.

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kaumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakhir vayam
(Srimad-Bhagavatam, 6.3.20)

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Child Molesting Lawsuit Update

PADA: Sorry prabhu, I did not have anything to do with the wording of the court case, the molested children had been told that Srila Prabhupada wanted them to be in the GBC guru program. I never said that and I was not in charge of ISKCON and those making these policies. 

The children were taking their lives at that stage, and we had to stop that. And the pedophile guru system and Mathura Pati types were saying that having children leave their bodies is acceptable. They wanted the body count to increase. Also hundreds of kids were pulled out of their schools, and they wanted them to stay there and suffer more mistreatment. 

So they wanted children to suffer, and leave their bodies, and that is what they have said all along, we should not have helped these kids, let them be mistreated and leave their bodies. That would have eventually been even worse publicity. 

Mathura Pati types never explain why they are authorized to promote a system where children are mistreated and leave their bodies, which is what the GBC wanted. Anyway, to say I am a liar is what the GBC says, they are their parrots. 

But yeah, even the victims here tell me, the GBC / IRM / Mathura Pati club wanted all of us to all be left in their schools and then leaving our bodies, they are with the regime. The regime says PADA and us victims are all liars, because that is how pedophile cults oppress complaints. Just look at the videos below if you want to see what happens to victims of the program Mathura Pati types now say "is all PADA's lies." 

Sorry, the victims are not liars, their oppressors are. As soon as they found out hundreds of kids were pulled from GBC schools, and the suicides went down, then the GBC defenders like Mathura Pati all started crying "oh no, someone has stopped our mass molesting and suicide program." He is crying that children were saved from abuse and suicides, so -- yeah, whose side is he on? Various victims tell me, we know whose side he is on, and it is not ours.    

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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