Book Changers / Jayadvaita Update / Trivrikrama swami / Prem Yogi 04 10 24

ORIGINAL BOOKS DEBATE

PADA: Thanks prabhu for your question about -- the ritviks and the original books. First of all, Purujit says that editing of the original books is needed, because Hayagriva did a bad job. Nope. Not accepted by hardly anyone. Srila Prabhupada accepted Hayagriva's work, and therefore so should we.

Sundar Gopal says that the changed books are still making devotees, which seems to be a type of approval. He is sort of right, the changed books are making some devotees, and some of them convert to our process eventually. And that explains why our people are often banned and removed etc. because they are convincing the GBC's folks here and there. 

PADA's position overall is -- Srila Prabhupada used and approved the 1972 Gita, and he gave numerous classes using these original books, and he never said they should be re-edited. The changed books might be making devotees of sorts, but are those devotees very solid on the siddhanta? I believe -- not so much, but it is possible they can be re-educated -- and some are. 

Meanwhile Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji / Prabhupadanugas EU is in favor of the changed books -- which Srila Prabhupada specifically said are being unauthorizedly changed by "rascal editors." And when we submitted the discussion where Srila Prabhupada says that he wanted the original printing -- to the Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU folks website, they refused to post Srila Prabhupada's statements. Yep, Mathura Pati is even banning Srila Prabhupada from their site, never mind we get banned. 

And they say that our people submitting Srila Prabhupada's statements are "crazy liars" and so on, which is exactly what Jayadvaita, Tamal and others in their clique say. Some folks said we should not argue, it is not looking good. OK but they are not arguing with me, they are arguing with Srila Prabhupada. 

He said print the original way and not the rascal edited way. These guys wanted to print the rascal edits, and then they are arguing about it, not with me, but with Srila Prabhupada. This happens all the time, well prabhu, you should stop arguing with people. No, they are arguing with Srila Prabhupada, not me, and we are just exposing them.  

Meanwhile Mathura Pati and their ilk say I need to read the original books, but they clearly have no idea -- what is -- an actual original and un-edited book -- in the first place. Nor do they care to hear what Srila Prabhupada himself says is his idea of the original printing. And evidently they think they are superior to Srila Prabhupada, so they can edit out whole discussions the acharya makes on this topic. Srila Prabhupada does NOT approve of editing, and he clearly DOES approve of the Hayagriva version, and that is why he used that edition for mass distribution and for his lectures etc. 

He never said he wanted further edits, rather he said -- we cannot change one comma. And don't be a rascal and re-edit his books. And don't refuse to post his discussion on this matter, to keep people in ignorance and confusion -- as they have been doing at Prabhupadanuga EU. And don't tell me to read original books, when you guys have no clue what an original book even is.

At the same time, we made a lawsuit to get the original books printed, and somehow we got some of that done, and at least notified a lot of people there is a problem here. And then some web sites started to post original editions for people to read and download. Of course, same thing, this infuriated the IRM / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati type guys, who wanted me to take a vacation in the Caribbean under Jayapataka -- instead of making the original books lawsuit happen. 

They claimed they were going to make a deal with the GBC to print originals, which was all bluff and fake news, and was never going to happen anytime in this Kalpa. OK they really wanted the Jayadvaita editions prevail, and they are not happy I spoiled their plans.  

Later on they tried to hijack taking credit for the original books from us, but they never made any lawsuit to get any originals, and they never will. Nor is it clear they even know what an original edition is. At the same time, they seem to be going along with banning Srila Prabhupada's statements on this issue. 

That is not making them popular with the bona fide Prabhupada followers. We already made this clear many, many times in the past -- by citing Srila Prabhupada, and if some of these people -- who have been part of all this for many years -- still refuse to get it by now, they don't want to get it. But yeah, anyone who cites Srila Prabhupada is a crazy fool, anyone who cites the molesting victims is a crazy fool, because they want to make changed books and child molesting look authorized and the standard process. 

There is however good news. At this stage, we do have a substantial amount of interest in the originals, and more folks interested all the time. And thus I do NOT think the various edits -- including Purujit's -- will last in popularity over the long haul. Garuda Prabhu and others have wrote nice papers on how we cannot re-edit the writings of any famous author, and that would apply to Srila Prabhupada more than any other author, since his are spiritually inspired writings. 

In any case, I believe that the re-editing of the books will eventually be recognized as a deviation, and it will NOT be supported. And we already see many folks asking us about -- what are the ACTUAL original editions etc. It is another giant mess the GBC left for us to clean up. Of course, they also changed up the system of deity worship, the standards for acharyas, and so many other things as well. But time is on our side. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com      

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JAYADVAITA DEFENDS ABUSERS UPDATE: 

MD: The rank and file will still continue to fall at his feet in honour and reverence, such is their brainwashing which the group think cult have instilled in their loyal members. This ignorant individual Jayawaita Swami (clearly not a swami) has caused irrefutable damage to Srila Prabhupada's movement already by book changes while continuing to display utter contempt arrogance whilst disregarding others concern over child abuse. 

It is a waste of time and futile even to approach this monster who is clearly taking his cultish followers and supporters to hell with him. But internally, people get what they so desire. A cheating Guru attracts a cheating disciple. Birds of a feather so to speak. It is depressing to think that such despicable people populate iskcon at its upper levels of management and are held in high esteem within the movement as senior representatives of Gaudiya Vaisnavism. 

Covering up child abuse and sheltering likeminded individuals is disgraceful by word or by action . There has been so much abuse that its now becoming normalised within this movement to the extent that nothing is shocking anymore.

BB: I hear Jayadvaita is now complaining ... his letter leaked out. Is it ... he can no longer support his favorite child abusers with their secret GBC votes ... and unpublished GBC resolutions. He has been part of the whole molester support system for years, isn't it? Is he just now angry ... being called out for helping all this abuse happen? Anyone who supports a child molesting system will have to go to hell, who doubts that.

AD: Kesava Bharati's character, wrong doings, misbehaviour (like visiting prostitutes whilst sanyasi) are well known by all of the devotees who were a part of Iskcon Spain back in the 80's, it's no secret.

It was thanks to people like Jayadvaita and Sivaram who chose to ignore all the red flags and known facts (to put it lightly) that KB was given sanyasi again (and even a guru position back in the day) with total disregard for the TRUTH.

I'm not surprised about their position on the CPO ruling at all, they've done it in the past.

The fact that their hearts don't move when it comes to child abuse tells you how dangerous they are. So offended by everything but not one inch of compassion or concern for the victims. Will they apologize publicly when they finally realize they are defending a monster? Probably not. They are all the same. It's sick.

BB: They are offended that we are offended, go figure.

GP: Always amazes me how anyone involved in a spiritual / religious group could support a prostitute hunter, child abusers, porno swamis and other types of confirmed abusers, and think its ok to do that and no one is going to come back at them, but more and more, they are. And it will get a lot worse for them the more they try to cover up their actions. It just proves they are guilty and are now trying to cover up their tracks.

 

NH: What a visceral reaction this illicits in me. This is their culture. F*ck, thats terrifying.

VK: Notice Jayadvaita's pseudo intellectual legalistic hair splitting, trying to find holes in the apparent logic of the case, very similar to his pseudo lettered, Acharya's-life-works-re-editing-cottage-industry, he has created for himself.

RG: These characters are a poor man's version of saints. But we want the real deal ones. We are clearly lacking in something, so this is all we get given - pedos and book changers dressed up in drags.

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TRIVRIKRAMA SWAMI

His Holiness Trivikrama Swami was born in 1941. Maharaj, a staunch sannyasi for more than 51 years, one of the senior leaders and ISKCON Guru, was initiated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada in 1969 and given sannyasa initiation in 1971. With just one instruction from His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada based on a letter dated March 07, 1970, Los Angeles, USA., Maharaj has willingly accepted renounced order of life and dedicated whole life in the service of Srila Prabhupada. 

PADA: Yep, he is one of the enforcers in the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs project.

During Srila Prabhupada's presence on this planet, Maharaj was regularly assigned by his Divine Grace to spread Krishna Consciousness in various countries worldwide such as United States of America, London, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and India. Maharaj has served as the temple president at various centers and also is a pioneer in opening and expanding many centers helping in preaching about Krishna Consciousness. 

PADA: But he never actually ever believed in the religion, or he would not help make a program of having homosexuals and pedophiles made into Krishna's guru successors. He did some external things in the 1970s, but his understanding of who is Krishna's successor was always hollowed out and not substantial. Of course even my trash man knows that it is very sinful to make an illicit sex with men, women and children guru succession to God program, the trash man is way more elevated than Trivrikrama ever will be. 

Srila Prabhupada personally said about him: "He will always go wherever I send him". His Holiness is well known for his loyalty and obedience to Srila Prabhupada's teachings, mood, and mission. Maharaj has rendered so many personal services such as driving and giving massages to Srila Prabhupada regularly. 

After Srila Prabhupada's departure, His Holiness made sure that Srila Prabhupada's position as the founder acharya of ISKCON would not be compromised by playing an active role in the Guru reform movement. 

PADA: Well yeah, they reinstated homosex with taxi drivers and excommunicated Sulochana, which resulted in his murder. That was their reform. And they are such idiots, they think gurus are deviants, pedophiles and criminals who need "guru reform." Yeah, when the guru is having illicit sex with men, women and children, let us send him to guru reform prison for criminal gurus! Why does Trivrikrama think Krishna's successors are criminals who need reform? 

Later on, His Holiness lead preaching in Orlando in the capacity of temple president and is actively preaching in parts of eastern Europe such as Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Czech Republic. 

PADA: Yeah, and now some of those people are writing to ask me why he helps be a founding member of the pedophile messiah's club?

Maharaj has been accepting disciples on behalf of his spiritual master and ISKCON since 1987 and is well known for ecstatic kirtans, bhajans, and profound lectures with practical applications per the Teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada.

Interesting to know that while staying in Hong Kong and particularly in Japan, Maharaj everyday used to go out for 6-8 hrs and distribute between 125 - 250 SP books and BTG magazines.

PADA: Sulochana told me Trivrikrama was following him all the time and making horrible faces at Sulochana. Anyone who opposes Trivrikrama's molester messiahs having oral sex in the motorhome with boys program -- gets vulture glares from him. And Sulochana said, he wants me dead, and shortly after that, he was dead. 

And when Trivrikrama saw me at a festival, he said -- holy crap, you are still walking around the earth -- and you are not six feet under? Yeah, anyone who opposes his oral sex with boys in the motorhome messiahs process -- needs to be taken out. Did I forget to mention, we had to sue his program for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse? His illicit sex with men, women and children, sex with taxi drivers in the dham, oral sex with boys in the motorhome, prostitute hunters etc. "chain of gurus from God," is an offense to God, and it will take all of them to lower planets.

ys pd

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"Prem Yogi showed Srila Prabhupada some illustrations from the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Fifth Canto, and explained them briefly. Prabhupada was impressed with his proper understanding. Prabhupada showed him the Mayapur model and explained what we intended to do there. Srilla Prabhupada then expressed his concern: "WE MUST EXACTLY FOLLOW THE DESCRIPTION OF BHAGAVATAM. As we are going to spend many crores of rupees, and there will be those who will try to find fault in our presentation, 'Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.' I HAVE EXPLAINED WHATEVER I COULD ALREADY IN MY BOOKS. NOW MY BRAIN IS NO LONGER ABLE TO WORK PROPERLY. YOU YOUNG MEN CAN TAX YOUR BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND THE SANSKRIT AND ENGLISH DESCRIPTIONS AND PRESENT THEM." (TKG’s Diary: Prabhupada’s Final Days, May 30 1977)

PADA: Prem Yogi was some kind of astrologer and jyotish fellow, and he was supposedly ordered to make a diagram of the universe, but he got kicked out right away by the GBC. ys pd