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Yep another poor guy who is not part of the millionaire saffron elite program.
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From Ramesh:
Vrndavana floods (some of the devotees are taking the deities out for boat rides right by their temples).
I AM NOT IN APPROVAL OF SUCH ARRANGEMENTS, AND IT WILL BE DANGEROUS THING IN FUTURE IF WE BEGIN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM JUST TO ATTACT THE MASSES
"Our message is very grave, and because it is the Absolute Truth, it will work without any artificial presentation.
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Spicy Mutton Curry Guru Protected by ISKCON:
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Reading the books is not sufficient because the books do not endorse me helping the pedophile messiah's club.
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Oppenheimer Was a Fan of the Gita:
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Kailasa people update:
PADA: I said that Srila Prabhupada says Jesus can take sins even though 2,000 years has passed all along, I did not change what he said. Kailasa says that the ritviks are like the bogus Christians because they worship a departed acharya, but so do the Madhvas?
PADA: I said that Srila Prabhupada says Jesus can take sins even though 2,000 years has passed all along, I did not change what he said. Kailasa says that the ritviks are like the bogus Christians because they worship a departed acharya, but so do the Madhvas?
Kailasa says the Christians and the Madhvas are bogus, but Srila Prabhupada says worshiping Jesus and Madhva is bona fide, and eternal. And now you are saying that the people who worship pure devotees are getting "institutional initiation." No, the books are not an institution, they are giving people divyam jnanam -- with or without an institution.
You guys also said that the books are saving people from sins, so that means the people reading the books are getting divyam jnanam that destroys sins, aka diksha. You just now said they are getting diksha from the books. Then you said your own idea is bogus, they are not getting diksha from the books.
In other words you are arguing with yourself. We never said the books are an institution, or that Jesus and Madhva are an institution. Anyway no, we are not "an institution," we are mainly independent devotees scattered all over the planet. And Srila Prabhupada also never says that Jesus and Madhva are "institutionally non-manifest spiritual masters," he says they are eternal, they are to be worshiped at all times, with or without an institution.
Srila Prabhupada never says that pure devotees are an institution, that is making the pure devotees into a mundane corporation, they are not, they are eternal beings. Anyway, you just now defeated yourself, the books are giving divyam jnanam that destroys sins, diksha, and that means the books are a bogus institution. No idea what that even means. ys pd
Srila Prabhupada says the Madhyam is not sufficient, and you say the Madhyam is a viable alternative to the Uttama. That is like saying a roller skate wheel can replace the wheels on a jumbo jet. Yes, a person can guide another person to their level, but when the Madhyam listens to mayavada or performs entangling actions, he can fall and become a demon again.
Srila Prabhupada says the Madhyam is not sufficient, and you say the Madhyam is a viable alternative to the Uttama. That is like saying a roller skate wheel can replace the wheels on a jumbo jet. Yes, a person can guide another person to their level, but when the Madhyam listens to mayavada or performs entangling actions, he can fall and become a demon again.
That means he is a conditioned soul -- and he cannot be a diksha guru and absorb sins. You are saying that the Madhyam is beyond conditioning, and he can accept sins, that is false, he is still conditioned and he needs to be careful of his situation to guard against over stepping his position. Kailasa says the Madhyam should jump into the shoes of Jesus and start taking sins, that means he does not know that there is a difference between conditioned souls and liberated ones. I also never said that Jesus or Uttama have to suffer from taking sins, I said they have brahmana tejyas which protects them.
You are making things up, straw man. Anyway a conditioned soul is not "a viable alternate" to Jesus. Every hamburger eating Christian walking down the street knows a conditioned soul is not a vialbe alternate to Jesus, but Kailasa does not even know what they know? He needs to go to Church and learn, the conditioned souls are not viable alternates to Jesus, which I knew when I was five years old already. Why don't you guys know this? ys pd
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RAMAKRISHNA MISSION HAS SPOILED HINDU CULTURE
Prabhupāda: What the Ramakrishna Mission has done?
Professor: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Ramakrishna Mission has done this = that they have learned to drink wine and eat meat, that's all, from the Western countries. That's all.
Professor: Yes. This is so.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is their contribution. And they have spoiled the Hindu culture.
Professor: Oh. Really?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Because Vivekananda said, "Oh, what is the harm there, in eating? You can eat whatever you like. It doesn't matter in religion." It was the first. And he himself was eating anything. So all the Ramakrishna mission sannyāsīs still, they are eating meat, egg and everything, especially in America. Yes. Fish is no consideration. That is daily affair. And the turkey... Yes. Instead of preaching here, they have taken the Western method. And Vivekananda's preaching is like Western missionaries---open hospitals, school...
Professor: You are right, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He had no spiritual knowledge. So therefore it has not been successful. They are preaching in the Western country... As far I know, in America they have got ten or twelve branches. I am working for the last six years only. I have got already fifty branches. And each branch, there are devotees like them, not less than twenty-five, up to two hundred, three hundred, all dedicated souls.
Professor: And what about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?
Prabhupāda: I don't take account of these, because they are not standard.
Professor: Oh, I see.
Prabhupāda: They are not standard. We are following Bhagavad-gītā as it is, standard, and they have got their own manufactured way. So we don't recognize them. Our process is, evaṁ paramparā prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. Paramparā. What Kṛṣṇa said, the disciplic succession will say the same thing. But they are speaking differently. So therefore we don't take them as bona fide. They are not bona fide.
And from external point of view, we have got so many literatures, so many branches, so many devotees, within six years. But they haven't got such thing. Even Ramakrishna Mission. They are working for the last eighty years, and I have worked only for six years. And my result is eighty times more than them. They also acknowledge.
Yogeśvara: Phalena paricīyate.
Professor: Yes.
Prabhupāda: What the Ramakrishna Mission has done?
Professor: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Ramakrishna Mission has done this = that they have learned to drink wine and eat meat, that's all, from the Western countries. That's all.
Professor: Yes. This is so.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is their contribution. And they have spoiled the Hindu culture.
Professor: Oh. Really?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Because Vivekananda said, "Oh, what is the harm there, in eating? You can eat whatever you like. It doesn't matter in religion." It was the first. And he himself was eating anything. So all the Ramakrishna mission sannyāsīs still, they are eating meat, egg and everything, especially in America. Yes. Fish is no consideration. That is daily affair. And the turkey... Yes. Instead of preaching here, they have taken the Western method. And Vivekananda's preaching is like Western missionaries---open hospitals, school...
Professor: You are right, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He had no spiritual knowledge. So therefore it has not been successful. They are preaching in the Western country... As far I know, in America they have got ten or twelve branches. I am working for the last six years only. I have got already fifty branches. And each branch, there are devotees like them, not less than twenty-five, up to two hundred, three hundred, all dedicated souls.
Professor: And what about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?
Prabhupāda: I don't take account of these, because they are not standard.
Professor: Oh, I see.
Prabhupāda: They are not standard. We are following Bhagavad-gītā as it is, standard, and they have got their own manufactured way. So we don't recognize them. Our process is, evaṁ paramparā prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. Paramparā. What Kṛṣṇa said, the disciplic succession will say the same thing. But they are speaking differently. So therefore we don't take them as bona fide. They are not bona fide.
And from external point of view, we have got so many literatures, so many branches, so many devotees, within six years. But they haven't got such thing. Even Ramakrishna Mission. They are working for the last eighty years, and I have worked only for six years. And my result is eighty times more than them. They also acknowledge.
Yogeśvara: Phalena paricīyate.
Professor: Yes.
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I AM NOT IN APPROVAL OF SUCH ARRANGEMENTS, AND IT WILL BE DANGEROUS THING IN FUTURE IF WE BEGIN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM JUST TO ATTACT THE MASSES
"Our message is very grave, and because it is the Absolute Truth, it will work without any artificial presentation.
Because they heard of our program in Bombay along with the Zavery sisters Manipuri Dancers, here in London they had arranged one program of lecturing by me along with a recital by one man playing on the vina just to attract attention to my speaking. I am not in approval of such arrangements, and it will be dangerous thing in future if we begin this type of program just to attract the masses.
Already I see this happening practically all over the Society, so better we stop it now and get ourselves firmly on the track chalked out for us by Lord Caitanya. We are simply Sankirtana men, our program is chanting, dancing, distributing prasadam, and speaking high philosophy, that's all."
Letter, July 8, 1972
Letter, July 8, 1972
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