New Video On ISKCON's Guru Imbroglio 12 31 23

 

KAILASA UPDATE:

The followers of Kailasa keep tossing a section of Henry Doktorski's book -- citing that the Berkeley devotees were saying Sulochana is a fringed sahajiya. Well no kidding, the Berkeley devotees were on their way to New Vrndavana to worship Kirtanananda. So of course they are helping discredit Sulochana, because they are worshipers of "Srila Bhaktipada" -- whom we were calling "Bhakti pedo pada." 

Even if me and Sulochana are drinking beer and watching football on TV, as they allege, that is not a license to have us exterminated? If that would be the case, 99 percent of the USA population would have to be exterminated. Sorry! It does not matter if the whistle blowers on child abuse are the town drunks or not either, they are still 100% correct. 

Anyway it is amazing that the followers of Kailasa are now trying to convince me they are correct by citing the words of Bhakti pedo pada and his followers in Berkeley. No, that proves that me and Sulochana are right, Kailasa is a shiksha disciple of Bhaktipada, and that is why he cites him as his authority all the time.

And citing these complaints against us -- is making us targets. Aren't you guys getting just a little desperate when the person you need to forward as your authority on history is a known homo and pedo -- and / or his followers, and then his supporters helped have Sulochana assassinated. And that is Kailasa's authority? Yes, and Bhakti pedo pada is your authority since 1986, we got that already.

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Thanks, so the words of Bhakti pedo pada and his followers in Henry's book are correct and Sulochana saying you made him a target are not correct. And his mother saying you made him a target is also not correct. So you are quoting Bhakti pedo pada and his followers because you are disciples of Bhakti pedo pada, that is what Sulochana said. 

Bhakta Ernest is a disciple of Bhakti pedo pada because he cites him all the time as his authority. Sulochana's mom said you disciples of Bhakti pedo pada caused her son's departure, and she was crying, she does not appreciate you disciples of Bhakti pedo pada one iota. ys pd

AD: Kailasha Maharaj never says anything but his upstart foot soldiers / gurupees chirp up and use the usual Hare Krishna barking dog strategy against everyone. Nasty company. Vitiated GBC is crap, Rtvik is crap, Neo Mut is crap. Tim is crap, I'm crap, only Kailash guruship is bonafide.

PADA: Yes, as soon as Kirtanananda Bhakti pedo pada maharaja says we are drunks, then his top disciples like Kailasa repeat. Kailasa is a disciple of Bhaktipedo pada and so are his followers, who also repeat Bhakt pedo pada. And now Kailasa is a guru? Hah hah, and he is a disciple of Pedo pada? So now Kailasa is another Jesus who can absorb sins? Told ya! ys pd

What is Guru Pooja Lite? 12 29 23

Mother Yasoda and little Krishna.

Art by PADA.

PADA: Well there you have it folks. The GBC is not going to have their gurus worshiped as good as Srila Prabhupada anymore. They will have a guru pooja lite program, hee hee. Well maybe, but where is that enforced? 

Jayapataka still gets glorified as a pure devotee etc. Anyway now some of them are shedding tears of ecstasy -- ok maybe, to show they are pure lovers of God. Or is this just a cheap trick? You decide. It seems to me the GBC's guru program is just digging in its heels in India, while the Westerners around here are avoiding. The reasons are pretty much self evident. I am just in ecstacy -- being 2/3 show of hands voted into the molester messiah's program, as one of the co-messiahs!

Someone asked me if this is turning into a race issue, and maybe it is. The India ICC people for example have been calling me a mleccha. Yep, that is really going to promote preaching in the West. ys pd 

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Patita Pavana Das

This means that Bhagavata Maharaja does not want any GCB's or Green Card Beggars to be his hired cooks and poojaris. Lots of Indian "devotees" in the States came as "priests" and ended up as cashiers in gas stations, One was robbed and killed at work. There was a beef and alcohol restaurant near my flat in San Francisco where there were around 7 or 8 GCB's, all disciples of Jayapataka Swami, working as waiters. One told me "Shrila Prabhupada never said 'Don't serve meat. He said don't eat meat."

BM: All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I wouldn't have thought that either.

Here, Indian migrant workers do the same thing.

At the moment they go to England legally by truck and stay there.

They leave the truck in a parking lot.

PPD: Bhagavat Maharaja is my Godbrother from way back n 1970. He took sannyasa from Narayana M.

Can someone empty out this guys' karma vacuum cleaner bag?

I think it is full?

The Real Explanation of the Real Explanation (Kailasa chandra) 12 28 23

PD: So here is what happened. First of all in 1986 Kailasa chandra dasa said that he fully agrees 100% with Kirtanananda and the GBC guru program -- that Sulochana is a drunk, a sahajiya, a "fringy," and a deviated person who is watching TV while drinking beer etc. Therefore, he should not be taken seriously -- because he is not a serious devotee. And of course -- the real intent of the GBC mob and their henchman like Kailasa has been -- to nullify Sulochana's complaints about their bogus gurus, child mistreatment process etc. 

And thus -- we can nullify his complaints -- by nullifying his character, and discredit his claims thereby. And as a side bonus, maybe they could nullify Sulochana himself -- having him terminated, by branding him as dissenter to a regime of false "pure devotees." Which is what happened. 

And then Kailasa's disciple Riktaharshan said that Sulochana's being a fallen devotee was "well known around the Berkeley community" [in 1986]. OK, keep in mind -- the "Berkeley community" that was and still is some GBC's and Kailasa's authority now, at the time of 1986 was worshipping: a percodan pill popping actual Vodka drinking drunk; an illicit s-x predator; and an overall criminal deviant named Srila Hansadutta, whom they considered to be the sum total of the demigods, and Lord and Messiah of the Jagat etc.  

It is amazing that Kirtanananda / various GBC / Kailasa chandra das et al. cite these dubious people as their authority on Sulochana. They go way out of their way to find an actual drunk's worship process to be their authority to prove -- we are the drunks. Of course this begs the question, why are us drunks protesting the child mistreatment -- while Kailasa and his GBC pals are helping the child mistreating regime by protesting -- us? You mean, drunks are more advanced than these GBC / Kailasa people, thus the drunks know child mistreatment must be opposed while GBC / Kailasa team does not know that -- self evidently.

These folks go to the very people who are worshiping leaders of the child mistreatment regime, and ask these people who have been worshiping drunken predators -- to make their decisions on me and Sulochana. Yep, Sulochana was fallen for maybe having a beer once in awhile, but Kailasa's disciples had been worshiping an actual drunk and lusty predator as if he was as good as God. 

Real discrimination on Kailasa's sources here. He goes to the actual drunk messiah's project's folks to gather information about us. And Srila Prabhupada says -- when a guru is having an affair with a disciple, it is the same as a father having an affair with his own daughter. So the followers of this process are de facto worshiping pedos, and this is the type of quality people Kailasa considers a higher authority than me and Sulochana. Kailasa never asked me about Sulochana's activities even once, he only consults with the pedo worship clan for his version of history.

Then, they all ganged up -- the Kirtanananda / Hansadutta people, the GBC people and Kailasa -- to discredit Sulochana by saying he was an intoxicated, deviating and fallen "sahajiya" or false devotee. When Sulochana's mother heard of all these complaints from the Kailasa crew -- she was depressed and mortified, and was crying at the insults these GBC / Kailasa people were heaping on her departed son. We concluded, the whole gang of them all disliked Sulochana -- and thus they wanted to defend their child mistreatment guru regime by discrediting him, and that aided his tragic demise. Now they are trying to cover up their crime of assisting his departure, by discrediting him.  

Sulochana's mother said -- you mean to say -- my son gave his life try to fix their religion, and now they are criticizing that he was a fallen intoxicated person. Aren't they doing that to justify their having him terminated? Well yes, that is how Kirtanananda, the GBC, Kailasa ilk and the Hansadutta team people all gathered and ganged up to discredit Sulochana -- in part to justify taking him out. Sulochana's mother is right 100%. 

In other words, none of them cared that they were causing extreme grief to the parents and friends of Sulochana by more or less saying his departure was justified. Do these GBC / Kailasa people care that they make Sulochana's mother and others cry -- all the more, when their victims are already suffering in extreme grief? Basically "yeah they deserve it." And GBC folks / Kailasa say Sulochana should not have taken on Kirtanananda, knowing it is dangerous. OK so they wanted that the crimes against children there would continue? Many children were liberated from that GBC society after Sulochana departed, he sacrificed himself for the greater good of others, which is glorious and not something to be avoided. The police do that every day, sacrifice for the greater good of the society, and no one complains, rather the society glorifies them. 

Anyway, it is said that the asuras are happy to increase the misery of their victims. So the GBC / Kailasa team wanted to make the suffering of Sulochan's friends and mother [their victims] -- worse -- by adding insult to injury quite literally. It is what these Kirtanananda and Kailasa type folks do all the time, make their victims suffer all the more. And then a number of GBC folks left ISKCON, actually hundreds, including some of their top gurus. This was a big purge of relief overall. A great chunk of their top heavy guru process burden was lifted which was good, except for GBC and Kailasa nay sayers who were not happy.  

And Sulochana himself said, many, many times, they are doing this name calling on me -- on purpose to make me a target. And self evidently, they did. So Kailasa wants us to listen to the people who have been worshipping illicit s-x deviants like Hansadutta as their messiahs -- messiahs who really are taking drugs -- as our authorities. We should listen to Kailasa's authorities -- i.e. people who have been worshipping illicit s-x deviants as messiahs -- as higher authority than Sulochana, who -- despite his defects, at least he worships a pure devotee. 

Of course, we could get into various details, for example, how could Sulochana be watching TV -- when he had no TV? And he had no electricity in his van to run a TV. And what difference would it make if he was drinking beer and watching TV or not, when he is complaining about mass child mistreatment and predator gurus. 

Isn't mass child mistreatment a superior issue than watching TV and drinking beer. So this is how child mistreatment cults dehumanize their critics. Well, the critic is not as serious follower of the child mistreatment cult, he is watching TV. Thus, they dehumanize their critics to make them targets. This also happened in WWII, opponents of various regimes were dehumanized to make them targets for termination.

Which is what Sulochan said these people are doing to him -- like various GBC, Kailasa and Riktaharshan et al. -- making him a target. Discrediting his character to dehumanize him, and making him a target for termination -- which is what they did, according to -- Sulochana. 

Then the GBC "reformers" said that we need to promote the Madhyam adhikary as guru. And Kailasa immediately took up their idea and he helped them promote that, writing position papers for many years for his fellow GBC "guru reformers" and Rocana's site, and also writing papers direct which the GBC folks circulated at their meetings. Except, Sulochana himself said that the GBC / Kailasa idea of worship of a conditioned soul is -- like finding a dog manure in your sweet rice, he never agreed with Kailasa and his GBC clan to worship conditioned souls. He thought their whole idea was a dangerous sahajiya idea, since sahajiyas worship conditioned souls. 

Then the Kailasa people said that Srila Prabhupada's statements that Madhyamas can fall down and become asuras are utter nonsense and "hogwash," because Kailasa is teaching his followers that the teachings of Krishna and the acharya are rubbish. OK later on they were forced to agree that yes, in fact they are duplicating the GBC in promoting conditioned souls, who can become asuras, as gurus. But this happens all the time with the followers of the GBC, as soon as we cite shastra, they say it is rubbish. And that is why Srila Prabhupada says the deviants have no respect for the words of the acharyas. It is amazing that Sulochana said all of them are promoting dog manure as their gurus, and almost everyone nowadays agrees, that is what they have done factually.   

But they only agreed after we exposed them many times over -- that they have been saying Krishna's teachings are utter nonsense and hogwash, and this is the wrong idea. Then the Kailasa people tell me he is more advanced than us, but none of our followers are EVER saying the Vedas are nonsense and hogwash? A person who trains his followers to complain that Krishna's teaching are utter hogwash -- is more advanced than us? 

They never explain why they say the words of Krishna and His pure devotee are hogwash in the first place? And they never explain why they claim to follow Sulochana, who says Kailasa wants to have children worship their dog's manure gurus? When did Sulochana ever say he wants children to worship Kailasa's dog manure conditioned soul messiahs? He never did, it is a bluff and a misrepresentation of Sulochana's words. 

Then later on Kailasa realized Sulochana was becoming popular, despite his attempts to take Sulochana down and terminate him both figuratively and literally. So then he started to imply that Sulochana's writings were edited and approved by Kailasa, because he wanted to take credit for Sulochana's works. No, there is no statement in any of Sulochana's writings where he says he agrees with GBC / Kailasa that we need to worship conditioned souls -- or their dog manure messiahs -- as the GBC and Kailasa have been promoting. They are now trying to say Sulochana agrees with them -- with worshiping a dog's manure -- as guru? 

Then Berkeley devotees were very upset with Kailasa when he helped sell the temple farm, took half the money from the sale of the property, and half the cows, and never informed the devotees where the cows or money went to. We only found out later where the cows went. Of course ISKCON gurus and leaders pull these same property sale scam tricks all the time on the devotees, nothing new here. Riktaharshana said Kailasa was paranoid at the farm and he could not wait to literally take off with the money and run, hey, just like Kailasa's guru compadres have done over and over.    

Of course Kailasa also repeats the GBC saying that Srila Prabhupada's writings are devoid of divyam jnanam that destroys sins [diksha]. The writings of the Vedas have authors who are "absent and absentia." OK, so God and His pure devotees are absent, so why bother worshiping them? This is straight up atheism, God's worship is worship of the absent and absentia.

And the writings of the acharyas are posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem, also exactly what the GBC says [and atheists]. And the people who are worshiping the pure devotee and Krishna "are being cheated" -- which is actually also what the atheists say. And Kailasa says -- when Srila Prabhupada says that Jesus is eternal, that is because Srila Prabhupada is a karta bhaja sahajiya. And Kailasa also says there is no need to have trained and initiated people taking care of the deity, which has lead to deities being placed into ghetto like conditions, which has made these folks quite happy to see that not only devotees are suffering but so is the deity.

I could go on here, but this is a summary. Of course, many Krishna devotees often doubt my claims, but -- local law enforcement, Dallas courts, Feds, New York Times, Dr. J. Stillson Judah, Rolling Stone Magazine, India courts, BBTI courts, and numerous others, accept my version, as do thousands and thousands of devotees. But that some devotees doubt my version is not new, they doubted me all along to the peril of their society. ys pd   

Bhagavat Maharaja and Bhaktibandav Radhe Kunj

Thank you S Dasi.

GH and others, who have been traumatized again and again, need our support, not condemnation and quotes. Otherwise, we're doing the same thing that was done in Iskcon, covering up the abuse, and sooner or later it will backfire.

Many of our peers committed Suicide. How hopeless they must have felt. My Loving pranam to you for so carefully and lovingly approaching this very sad, but very real issue.

"Jai sri sri guru gauranga jayatah!

Dear devotees,

This has been a difficult but necessary letter for me to write.

For those of you who are my friends, you know how much affection and respect I had and have for Premananda Prabhu. How he has been a big part of most of my adult life, shown me nothing but affection and inspired me in many ways which makes what I have to say now all the more difficult.

I want to make it clear that this letter is not an attack on Premananda prabhu, Radhe Kunj or on those who are under his guidance. And nor is it an attempt to ascertain his adhikara because I do not have the qualification to do so.

Rather it is my long overdue attempt to acknowledge and support Gaur pran and others who have been either molested by or have had uncomfortable contact with Premananda prabhu. Some may ask “why address this publicly?” I haven’t used Facebook for almost 4 years so why now?

For the most part, my brothers and sisters from Radhe kunj, like Sita Thakurani, have responded to this discussion in a respectful and thoughtful manor.

And while I don’t agree with everything Sita Thakurani said, and nor do I think she addressed the main points in the Venu Gopal prabhu’s letter, I appreciate her mood.

However, there are some people who have publicly and privately tried to create guilt, fear and shame in the heart of Gaur pran and others by using manipulative language to try and silence them.

They have bullied and shamed others like Ramani Shiromani who was brave enough to speak out knowing that some of her dear friends would turn on her. I understand that this behaviour may be a result of them privately struggling with their own doubts and fears, but it is cruel and inexcusable and has forced me to speak out.

I can no longer live with the silence that has sat like a weight in my heart and on my conscience for the past 5 years. Name calling, demonizing, ostracizing, will not create a healthy outcome for any of us. It will not help the victims of sexual abuse or the perpetrators. It may bring you accolades from others within your group because you have shouted the loudest and taken up the role of defender of the group, but it will not bring you peace in the long run.

I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t acknowledge that in the past, I have also held that same sword in my hand in defense of another group.

I know very well how excruciatingly painful it is to face the weakness of those we have placed our faith in. To be forced to either deny to ourselves the things we know are wrong so that we can stay within the group, or to risk considering the questions asked by our conscience which could lead to us losing our community, position, dear friends, home, maintenance, and identity.

I have been through all of this, and it was one of the most difficult periods of my life, but it lead me to a more solid ground and was the beginning of uprooting my misplaced faith and of attempting to offer it at the lotus feet of my beloved Gurudeva where it is safe and where it belongs. So in hindsight I’m very grateful for such suffering.

This letter is not a call for a mass exodus from Radhe kunj. I see how inspired you all are and that much of this is because of Premananda prabhu. In no way am I ignoring all the good he has done and continues to do.

This is very much a part of who he is. I am just requesting you to consider for a moment how your fierce denial of his molestation is not only harming his victims, but also him, and that such denial will pave the way for institutional abuse of all types to go ignored and undetected in the future because we are unwilling to create a safe place for those involved to ask for help and heal.

By elevating Premananda prabhu to the position of a “pure devotee”, your need for him to be just that, makes it almost impossible for hm to come forward, admit his mistakes and ask for help.

Gaur pran was brave enough to stand up and say what happened to him, and rather than receive the love and support he so greatly needed, he was labeled “mad”, “a liar”, “out to destroy Prabhuji”, and in the process he lost most of his community and childhood friends. I can’t even imagine how that must have felt.

And more recently his latest post regarding his abuse has subtly been classified as un-Krsna Conscious, and that it would be better for him to serve Thakurji, chant, distribute books, stay quiet and not seek justice. This is what a “good devotee” would and should do.

How can any of us stand in judgment of how he or any other victim of molestation chose to deal with their trauma. We are not only devotees but humans with very real emotions that need to be attended to.

If the victim is guilted into believing that their anger, shame, and hurt is wrong, and that to pass naturally through the healing process, which looks different for every victim, is somehow maya, how can they be expected to reach the stage of forgiveness?

If we don’t provide a safe space for the victims of abuse, how will they be inspired to continue to stay around devotees and continue on the path of bhakti? I feel angry and sad that the only real option open to them is to step outside their community for support and help.

When you give your love and faith to someone, whether it’s a preceptor, guide, husband, parent or teacher and that trust and love is broken, it breaks something in us too.

If that grief is not attended to, if we take shelter of a philosophy not to heal but to avoid dealing with our pain, then there is a danger of becoming disconnected from our emotions and of us deeply hurting others by our behaviour. Hiding behind philosophical statements in order to justify and feel comfortable with our unhealthiness will one day catch up with us.

In a healthy society, such open discussions remain respectful. As a family we should be able to talk about our weaknesses without judgment, without denial, and somehow figure out a way to heal and prevent such abuse from happening in the future.

I believe it is possible to have positive confrontations, that we can demolish the toxic and unhealthy habits in our society and allow something new and beautiful to grow in their place.

I pray that for the rest of my time in the material world, Gurudeva, and other pure Vaisnavas like him, remain my sole shelter. And that any assistance I receive in my bhakti from those who are not fully pure is seen by me in the proper perspective so that I can honour them appropriately."

S dasi

PJ: Lord Chaitanya said there are no pure Brahmanas in this age of Kali... paedophile are very good at manipulating their way into management positions ... so many ISKCON Sanyasis have been found guilty of child abuse ... you need to stop worshipping imperfect men as if they are as good as God ... or you will never solve the problem of child abuse in ISKCON... HARE KRISHNA

DD: yes, the acharya say it is actually an offence to praise a neophyte devotee as if he were an uttama adhikari because it simply creates a disturbance in society.

NR: Interesting that all through that thread about Bhagavat Maharaj no one noticed that the event he was attending was promoted by Bhaktabandava, a project connected to Premananda Prabhu and his followers. Now, Premanda Prabhu is [allegedly]  a molester of boys, and most everyone in the group is aware of it via G’s speaking out. G wasn’t lying. The group even went on to open a gurukula for little kids in Vrindavan - how safe.. Why is maharaj covering up for Premananda Prabhu?!

DD: good question

PD: Bhagavat Maharaja himself has said he has had to become independent of the other NM sanghas, because he does not agree with the other splinters of the Narayana Maharaja camp. That means he knows about "problems with gurus" in those camps. And we have been told -- there are some sensual predator swamis in their camp. Yet he is not coming out clearly saying what those issues are. For starters, saying that deviating people are children's gurus and acharyas, and yet they are not following properly, is misleading children's spiritual direction and affection process right out of the gate. 

It is destroying their connection to Krishna, which is condemned in shastra. Children should never be told to love, serve and worship deviating people as their messiahs. It is misguiding, if not destroying, their spiritual lives. Many of the children here -- who were told to love deviating "gurus" -- presently -- detest the religion. It is psychological abuse. 

Narayana Maharaja was in Texas telling everyone to worship Tamal, and some of the ex-children from that situation told me they have been struggling with drinking alcohol, and -- considering taking their own lives. One of the ex-Texas kids is a good friend of mine, and he tells me about his mental struggles all the time, including that he has come close to taking his life a number of times. Other ex-Texas Krishna kids around here now eat meat -- and they just detest the whole religion. That is because they were psychologically misguided -- in addition to -- some of them got physical mistreatment. 

And Narayana Maharaja was doing the same thing, he knew there were troubles with these GBC gurus, but he went on defending them, and yelling at shouting at my associates for objecting. That means, he was knowingly misdirecting children's spiritual connection to Krishna, and the results have been one tragic consequence after the next. Knowingly leading the blind into a ditch is very sinful. ys pd

NR: Srila Narayana Maharaja knew and Srila Prabhupada also knew. But big mouth PD goes cricket on the later, doesn’t he?

PD: Srila Prabhupada said it should be contained, whereas Narayana Maharaja said we should worship the perps and their enablers as gurus. And NM was himself one of the enablers, hanging out in Texas with Tamal. 

Srila Prabhupada never said we should worship perps and their enablers as gurus. Nor did he say we should we force little children to worship same as gurus. There is a difference between the order to contain child mistreatment and orders to worship the perps and enablers as gurus, and to have children worship perps and their enablers as their messiahs. Srila Prabhupada never said perps and their enablers should be worshiped by children as their messiahs. 

And I do not believe Bhagavat Maharaja does not know about "the troubles" in the process he is telling children to worship. Or if he does not know, he has been hiding under a rock for the past decades. Srila Prabhupada never ordered anyone to worship perps and their enablers as their gurus and messiahs, he said this would ruin people's lives, and it has. 

He said it should be contained, not worshiped. Where does Srila Prabhupada, or Krishna, say we should tell children to worship perps and their enablers as Krishna's guru successors? But you are right, as soon as I said there is a child mistreatment problem, the followers of NM said I was a big mouth aparadhi, they defended the regime. Then they made pretend they wanted to resolve this by having me meet personally with NM, and he left me sitting all day without seeing me, he could not answer even one question on these points, and neither can his followers up to the present time. Instead, it looks like they are spreading the same disease in their own camp. ys pd

JS: It is better to be spiritual than religious, because the trouble with the mathasssssssssssssssssssss is that the stupid are Cocksure and the intelligent are full of Doubt and Fear. 

NN: You did not help the kulis.

PD: Yep, that is what they all said when I first started, blah, blah, blah. I got the gurukulis some money at least by helping start the steering committee for the Turley lawsuit, after I got several million for other victims in 1986. Windle Turley told me he never would have started the case unless I agreed to come to testify in court, if he would need that. 

And I also provided him many documents and testimony to forward the case. I believe some of my documents are still found on his site now. And I advertised the case in my newsletter which is how many kids got to sign up. I am sorry that there are people who think the kulis who thanked me for saving their lives -- were not worth saving. That is the real problem isn't it? And some of the kulis wrote to tell me -- the Turley settlement money saved them from being homeless, got them a vehicle and etc. 

And what help exactly have you, or anyone else, given them? Saving people lives is -- ineffective? Jeepers! No wonder we had to have this process sued. And after the case was filed, many children were pulled out of the GBC schools. You guys wanted them to stay there, to their peril, that is the better plan? And then some of them thanked me for getting them yanked out of there. But no, they should have stayed. Why is that always the better plan? ys pd

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Unfortunately quotes the changed Gita, but the point is well taken ..

JEEVA SOULS

The jiva-souls being “generated” from the "marginal plane" does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from a beginning source because the jiva-souls were NEVER created.

"Generated" means the jiva-souls are part and parcel of a category of living entities called the "marginal living entities" (marginal plane) who eternally exist as individual spiritual PERSONS.

This also means the jiva-souls did NOT originate from the impersonal brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu.

The jiva-souls NEVER appeared from anyone (including Krsna), or some source called tatastha-sakti because they were NEVER created, the jiva-souls are eternal like Krsna who has ALWAYS existed.

Furthermore, the jiva-souls NEVER originated from the impersonal (inactive) brahmajyoti or the Body of Maha-Visnu (both an already fallen condition the jiva-souls fall too Prabhupada explains)

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent (personal) characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics and enter the permanent (personal) characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha śakti." (Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Maya or material energy does NOT exist in the spiritual world however, free will always exists and allows the jiva-souls to make their own decisions, offerings, contributions etc and even accept or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srimad Bhagavatam explains the fall down of the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) from Vaikuntha into the material creation in the 4th Canto Chapter 28 text 53, where the Supreme Lord is disguised as a brahmana.

The brāhmaṇa said - "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can't you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 28 text 53)

The brahman effulgence (impersonal brahmajyoti), is a "fallen condition" the jiva-souls fall down too but can never remain in that "fallen condition" eternally.
Eventually, they are forced to leave that dormant inactive condition because the nature of the jiva-souls is to always be "active" in the service of Krsna and NOT remain inactive.

So, eventually the fallen jiva-souls leave the impersonal brahmajyoti and again take birth in the material world.

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman 

(Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

We are all "old souls" because the jiva-souls have always existed without any beginning point nor will they ever cease to be.

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

There was no beginning to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can NEVER be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30, 1983 edition)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

If the jiva-souls choose, they CAN stay in the temporary decaying material universe's cycles of birth and death and cycles of annihilation and creations for an almost infinity!

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity.×**×.

ISKCON Crime Committee? / Radhanath Ex-servant / Christmas Carol 12 24 23

Committee to prevent crimes in ISKCON?

 ---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Tirtha Raja 

TO

1.    Sri Gopala Krishna Maharaja, Chairman, Bureau ISKCON

2.    Sri Revati Ramana dasa, Chairman, GBC ISKCON

FROM

Tirtha raja dasa

Subject: Second edition of Draft of “Complaints Committee Resolution” to prevent crimes inside the ISKCON organization. Reference: My e-mail communication dated 19th October of 2023

Specific Attention to Mr. Gauranga das:

Please make Your GBC College training programs to be competent in preventing crimes in ISKCON. Go through the contents of the PDF draft attached to this mail, you will get ideas to improve or redesign the GBC college programs.

Respected leaders of ISKCON,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

The first edition of the draft has been changed a lot. I am sending you the second edition of the resolution, so that, you can pass the following resolution, unanimously, by all the members of ISKCON Bureau.

The contents of the resolution as under:

Contents of Resolution

Ø Section 1: Objective of the Resolution

Ø Section 2: Complaint committee Chairman and its Members

Ø Section 3: Procedure to Report complaints

Ø Section 4: Legal awareness Seminars to prevent crimes in ISKCON

Ø Section 5: Anartha Nivrutti Seminars to Prevent Yoga-nashta, corruption or destruction of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Chaitanya as explained in Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam.

Section 1: Objective of the Resolution

a)     This resolution may be called as “Complaint Committee Resolution”

b)    The two main objective of this resolution is under

i.     To protect ISKCON, the BODY of Srila Prabhupada, from the crimes committed by its own leaders and followers. For clarification, ISKCON Organization registered under the law of Government is considered as BODY of Srila Prabhupada.

ii.   To protect teachings of Bhagavad Gita, the SOUL of Srila Prabhupada’s books, from fake devotional practices introduced by its own leaders and followers. Fake devotional practices are described in Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 16, Sloka 4 to 23 and Chapter 17, Sloka 1).

For more details, you can go through the draft enclosed or attached as a PDF document along with this mail.

You can also change the draft as per your needs without diluting the main objectives of the resolution.

With best wishes,

Tirtha raja dasa.

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/west-bengal-man-iskcon-monk-rape-sexual-harassment-nabadweep-mayapur-2375746-2023-05-06?

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PADA: Yes, I was told "not to criticize" and was booted out in 1979. So then I had to have Tamal sued for child mistreatment for $3,000,000 in 1986. And then I had to help have the entire society sued for $400,000,000 for the same problem in 1997. And then I helped the $20,000,000 Bangalore lawsuit with documents [which is still ongoing and is costing more millions].

And I had to help have the BBTI sued for doctoring the books, another few $1,000,000. Overall, the Jayapataka people complained to me that I am more expensive than the TOVP building, and dealing with me has cost them $100,000,000.

So all this happened for one simple reason, they would not listen. And they collectively decided that spending $100,000,000 is superior to listening. Nevermind their temples have to be populated by Bengali cooks and poojaris -- who leave as soon as they get their green cards. And what happened to almost all of the gurukula kids, who are now adults? Gone with the wind.

Even almost all of the children of the leaders have jettisoned ISKCON because, no one listens to them either. Sorry, hearing and listening is one of the principles of Vaishnava siddhanta. We need to hear, we need to listen, or we end up making ISKCON into a ghost town, as they have done by -- not listening.

And we do not need to be "gurus" to know right from wrong, even the mundane courts agreed with me because they understood the morality of our claims. And now various ISKCON child protection forums have sprung up, and I am contributing, and it is the same thing. These folks are banned from ISKCON and so they have to make independent programs, as I have had to.

Krishna is the supersoul everywhere. And He can enlighten anyone on what is right and wrong, and we should not try to overturn what He is directing. And if we do, it might cost us a lot of money and make our society into a discredited ghost town, as has happened.

I am being consulted on another mass media documentary, and it is always the same thing, they are simply aghast that people like me were booted out and the trouble makers got to stay, and create major troubles. ys pd

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As posted by: Radha Madhava Dasa:

Yes, I was the one who told Radhanath Swami he had to clean up his internet image. I was his disciple at the time, and was in charge of his media in the USA. His book was coming out and when you googled his name the only thing that came up was "Radhanath Swami -- Murder Conspirator" from the article on harekrsna.com .

He just told me never to publish anything about him ever on the internet as people just criticize him. So I told him that, the first thing anyone does is that they search your name when they hear about you. Once you launch your book the first thing they will see is that article.

I told him that you have to have positive information out there to counteract the negative. So he gave me $2000 in cash and told me to take care of it.

We built a website with a few videos with him in it, but it didn't have much impact. He then hired a PR firm from Seattle and paid them $10,000 to create a bunch of fake websites about him with fake reviews written by a non-devotees.
That didn't work, so we engaged a hacker to try to take down the article, but that didn't work either.

So he engaged his entire congregation in Mumbai and around the world to create as many websites as possible, and their devotional service was to every day go to all the websites and click on the links and write glowing reviews.

He also had them all sign up for pre-purchase and to all buy his book on Amazon as soon as it came out so it would become a bestseller.

I met the brand ambassador for Google at burning man, and introduced Radhanath Swami to him. I believe they have been in touch since and have made arrangements for his total Google domination in the search results.

Since that time I have become disillusioned with Radhanath Swami, and have seen that indeed the articles which he was trying to cover up are actually true, as I have witnessed from his character, behavior and choices.

When my sister approached him to tell him about the child abuse she underwent he covered it up and shut her down. I tried to speak to him about it, but he would not speak to me, even though I followed him around the entire world for a year.
It was later confirmed by other contacts that he was directly involved in abusing them.

I have since renounced any connection to him, and recommend anyone who has any interest in him to please do their research first. As far as Henry Doktorski's book goes, the cover and title are sensationalist and so it will end up being just a book for preaching to the choir and will not be accepted as being of value for people who actually need to hear the information inside of it.

I hope that he will consider changing his presentation at least on the cover so that it could be of more value for people who really need to hear it.

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Merry Christmas and Merry Krishna to all!

 

ISKCON Cancer Update / Indradyumna's son / ISKCON's Hindu Plan 12 21 23

Another Tragic Cancer Case

This is a nice lady who is sympathetic to the Prabhupadanugas. She always wanted to make her own small "Krishna farm" and was looking for a rural property -- up to even recently. Unfortunately, she started to feel ill a few weeks ago and she went in for a physical check up. 

And her doctor found swelling in her neck lymph nodes, and he started to check in other areas, and he discovered she had a widespread dangerous form of lymphoma -- that has grown all over her body at this stage. 

The prognosis is not good, a few months with treatment, maybe a few weeks without. She declined treatment -- because she thinks it would not be worth all the struggle -- only to get a short amount of extra time. 

Now she has deteriorated quite rapidly, and can barely get around, she is bed ridden. Her family is dealing with this crisis and I am not going to name this person unless authorized to do so. 

But it seems to me -- too many devotees --- are getting cancer, and yeah it is not my imagination. Anyway, we wish her and her family the best. Yes, I believe that a lot of this has to do with the stressful conditions created by our GBC mis-managers. It is causing people's bodies to cease functioning. Why does she even have to struggle to make her own farm -- that means -- she cannot work with the GBC or ISKCON.

Anyway, Krishna is in control, and I believe He will give these victims a break in their next situation. In any event -- God speed to this spirit soul. We wish her all the best -- and we hope Krishna will minimize her suffering here -- and take her into His arms soon. ys pd

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INDRADYUMNA's SON        

A Visit to Provence with Gaura Tibbitts - Part 2 – CouleurNature

PADA: I don't really want to pick on Indradyumna's son exactly, but why are almost none of the children of ISKCON leaders not participating in ISKCON? One of the gurus who took sannyasa and abandoned his children is living around here now. His daughters are followers of another sect of Vaishnavas. They never set foot in ISKCON, and they make jokes about ISKCON. 

And one of the daughters came to make some bhajan with my friends, and she smoked a big joint and -- passed out for two hours. When my books were sent by accident to their "temple" house, I came to collect my box and some of them were smoking pot right in front of the house. The daughter of one guru here has a house is full of tons of junk she buys at thrift stores. She lives like a "crazy bag lady." And if you saw how beautiful she was at 18, and how run down she looks now, you would cry. 

I almost forgot to mention, I had to rescue the lesbian wife of a guru's daughter, after the daughter stole her "wife's" money and passport, and left her stranded with no money, passport, and she also stole her vehicle. Another ex-GBC child has to be on the methodone program because he was taking heroin. Another son is in and out of jail all the time, he is a criminal. Another son of a big leader took his life under a freeway overpass. 

Another son wrote to tell me that his dad is part of a GBC business mafia and he never loved his own kids or any other kids, he just wants money and pooja. And I could go on and on here, but if they failed to properly protect their own kids, how would they do any better protecting others? And yes, Indradyumna, Kirtanananda, Catholic priests and others putting their paws on children is creating a form of psychological abuse in itself. It should not be done. ys pd

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WHO WILL SAVE ISKCON?

PADA: Many temples nowadays are manned by hired Bengali cooks and poojaris, or sometimes they are from Poland etc. There are hardly any Western people in most of their temples nowadays. They kicked out some of the few remaining Western folks from the Leicester temple, so they could implement a Hindu style leadership and program. And then they called the Leicester police on the people they kicked out -- when the refugees wanted to distribute books and continue preaching. They also tried to have them sued when they used the term " promoting the teachings of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami" saying they could not do that legally. 

In other words, there are very few actual volunteer devotees left, many are getting a salary. In Alachua, 300 devotee family "biggest community in the USA," they have a hard time finding anyone who will volunteer to do temple services. So the question is, who is even left at these temples to ask for them to demand a change of the management? The hired Bengalis are not going to protest anything, or they lose their chance to get a green card. After they get their green card, many of them leave and go work at karmi jobs, as some of them did here. 

One of my friends said the hired Bengali poojaris at his temple immediately go to the doughnut shop after mangala arotike, to order coffee and doughnuts, and mainly -- to chat with the pretty waitresses. So the question more and more is, who is even left on the sinking ship, who would want to help us save it from sinking? 

The GBC have been building an insulating -- layer upon layer -- of Hindu managers and hired Hindu helpers for years now, and there does not seem to be a whole lot of people around anymore who even know what these "controversy" issues are these days. That does not mean we should stop protesting, but we have to realize -- they have spent the past 45 years building their isolated ivory tower fortress, and it is not going to be easy to pull it down. Vaisesika is a good example, he has NOT been making Western followers there in Silicon Valley for decades, he has a Hindu mainly congregation, OK a few Western ISKCON refugees show up from time to time, but he does not even want us doubting Thomas Westerners around. 

Near none of the people in his congregation are even aware there is a problem with anything, they are mainly there for the weekly Hindu social club. As for Mayapur, Jayapataka has layers and layers of protective insulation there, he has no incentive to change anything. ys pd

NRD: Does that mean Iskcon has become westerners vs Indians ?

PADA: It does seem that way. Various India Continental Committee [ICC] folks wrote to me to complain -- that I am a low born Western mleccha -- and thus won't be able to understand "the higher principles of India culture." Bhakti Vikas swami's scholarly writer told me that we Western people are too attached to "Christian ideas" [that the acharya is not a debauchee] so we cannot understand the real principles of Vaishnava culture [evidently -- that acharyas are often debauchees -- and sometimes predators of minors -- or enablers of predators of minors]. 

At the same time, many of the imported poojaris and cooks "India folks" over here from places like Mayapur -- don't even know what any of these controversies are, nor do they care. They are getting a $$$ salary and they are often trying to get their green cards so they can quit ISKCON and start working at the Muslim restaurant -- as some of them are doing here. Most of the GBC's hired hand India folks are not interested in preserving Vedic culture, or Srila Prabhupada's teachings, much less getting into the weeds of GBC policy on child welfare. They don't want to jeopardize their source of revenue. 

And some of their legal team folks like Dayarama have access to millions of dollars now, so why would he want to make troubles for his main revenue source? He told me he knows all about the GBC gurus being predators, so why is he defending them? It looks like -- $$$ is the real motivation. ys pd

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ISKCON Leicester Bans Devotees (ISKCON) VIDEO

PADA: Yep. There is a lot of skullduggery going on here, hee hee. He saves the temple from falling apart, and then they get rid of the guy. Yep, as soon as he makes a devotee, the GBC gurus "pinch" (steal) his new members. 

We knew that was going on already in 1978. 

Sivarama helped the guy temporarily, but then Sivarama resigned. After Sivarama left, "the [GBC] vultures started to circle" to take over his program. And the GBC folks wanted to install an Indian bodied manager and get rid of the live-in [Western bodied] ashrams. They wanted to make an Indian style program, which is the same "Indian bodied congregation" that they have at the Bhaktivedanta Manor. 

Narada says "this sound like racism to me." Well yup! And this is perhaps why the Indian ICC people called me a bogus Western mleccha. And when Western people complained about Lokanath, same thing, this is all "white bodied mleccha people" complaining. This is bodily platform. And then they made this guy homeless, after he had done so much service. And that has happened to so many people. 

Then they also tried to cut him off from working with Parasurama das, who has been doing the free food program all along. Then they called the police because he was using "Hare Krishna Center" as his charity. 

And then they tried to have them arrested for distributing books -- without have a registered charity. Fortunately, his charity was just then registered. Then they said they cannot advertise they are "dedicated to Prabhupada," and so on. In other words, they harass anyone who tried to preach. 

But yes, getting away from the GBC is a blessing in disguise -- for him and all of us. And now they just have classes of Srila Prabhupada's recorded lectures, and they distribute his books, and so on. But they are still getting harassed, thus anyone who visits his temple becomes personna non grata from ISKCON. 

Well goody. Get away from them, and go independent. If all of us do that, the GBC will have less and less support. Narada says, an organization that has such a high amount of leaders who are predators, and people who support predators as leaders, almost no one wants to be known as being part of that organization. 

And he would not want to have to deal with all these issues either. Better to be independent. Anyway, people are realizing the GBC regime is corrupt, and gradually -- they are moving towards promoting Srila Prabhupada.   

ys pd 

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“The GBC made me homeless: A story of lies, betrayal and deceit at ISKCON Leicester” 

PODCAST: Episode 99 – Tuesday 19th December 2023🎙 We’re delighted to welcome Gauranga Sundara dasa as our guest on this week’s podcast. Born and raised in a Catholic family in Germany, he first met Hare Krishna devotees in 1975 whilst searching for something much ‘deeper’ in life. His journey took him to New Mayapur in France where he met Srila Prabhupada in 1976 – an encounter that would have a profound impact on his life! 

For the last 35 years, Gauranga has been a leading figure in the Hare Krishna movement in Leicester having first served as Temple President at the city’s ISKCON Temple. And, now for almost 20 years, he has been running the Hare Krishna Centre – a growing group of devotees who meet regularly in service to Srila Prabhupada. 

Now, in his first sit-down interview, he talks publicly about the events that led to his removal as ISKCON Temple President and the “skulduggery” that surrounded it. “It was awful,” said Gauranga Sundara, “just because my face didn’t fit, and I would question the GBC’s inappropriate behaviour, I was removed from all my services and made homeless.” 

A BLESSING IN DISGUISE 

Since leaving his post at ISKCON Leicester, Gauranga and a group of devotees have established ‘The Hare Krishna Centre’ – a project which practices strong values of respect, inclusively and acceptance of others. For more details about The Hare Krishna Centre in Leicester visit www.prasadam.co.uk.

Bombay vs Bangalore Court Update / JPS Karma Load 12 18 23

JPS. Needs another few

$$$ millions for his endless court cases.

You guys already lost the hearts, minds and souls of probably 99 percent of the first and second generation of Vaishnavas. Even if you could win a court case, you will never get their hearts, minds and souls back. They are done with you guys. Worshiping an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is just never going to be popular, ever. ys pd

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Appeal for Dedicated Prayers –

Final Court Hearing in ISKCON India vs. Breakaway Bangalore Temple

Dear Devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.We humbly reach out to you at the behest of the senior leaders of ISKCON India, led by Dayaram Das. Dayaram prabhu has served as ISKCON India's leader of legal affairs for decades, playing a crucial role in preserving and safeguarding ISKCON through various legal battles. To understand the current legal challenge ISKCON India faces, we urge you to watch a short video wherein Dayaram prabhu details the history of ISKCON’s ongoing court battle with a breakaway temple based in Bangalore. 

The video includes a call for special prayers for the successful resolution of the final chapter of this case. We appeal to you to respond to this call for prayer. It is noteworthy that in North America a similar attempt to usurp an ISKCON property and to even seize the original ISKCON corporation led to a legal battle that kept ISKCON in court, expending time and money, for almost twenty years.

By the Lord’s mercy, in October this year, the Nassau County Supreme Court of New York ruled in favor of ISKCON and the Governing Body Commission (GBC). We now pray for similar success in India. Both the New York and the India cases

involved former ISKCON devotees who had deviated from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Chaitanya by subscribing to a “ritvik theory,” or the false idea that Srila Prabhupada would continue to initiate disciples after his physical departure. 

Emboldened by that erroneous theory, the two breakaway groups tried to seize ISKCON properties, leading to these two court cases. Romapada Swami was appointed to lead the New York effort by the GBC. He directed the legal team and took personal responsibility to raise the funds required to win the case. 

Kuladri Das, North American Senior Administrator, assisted Maharaj in working closely with ISKCON attorneys during the entire 20-year case. Our fellow devotees in India are now earnestly seeking our assistance in preserving Srila Prabhupada's teachings and his properties in India. The India campaign seeks to gather 4,000 devotees to chant and pray special mantras to Lord Nrsimhadeva over the next three months, with the aim of ensuring that Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON remains a unified entity. 

The outcome of this “Bangalore case” holds significance for the ISKCON community worldwide. Therefore, we too, as leaders of ISKCON in North America, ask for your help.

Here's how you can contribute:

1. Watch the video by Dayaram here: https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=o3bD11y6G6k

2. Sign up for your commitment to chant special prayers: 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qNNtvAwz8yHFrDLWjOh8Sw48qYxIdWHJq8U566K_y58/viewform?edit_requested=true

3. Print the provided card and mark it every time you offer your prayers.

4. Submit the completed card at the end of the specified time. More than once when Srila Prabhupada was facing a health crisis, he asked his devotees worldwide to chant special prayers calling for Lord Krishna’s mercy. This time, Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON faces a similar crisis, and we ask you to join this call to the Lord for His special protection.

Thank you.Your servants, NA RGB members:

Bir Krsna Goswami, GBC member

Badrinarayan Swami, GBC member

Bhaktimarga Swami, GBC member

Devamrta Swami, GBC member

Malati devi dasi, GBC member

Anuttama dasa, GBC member, Communications Minister

Praharana devi dasi, NA RGB Senior Advisor

Kuladri dasa, NA RGB Senior Administrative Advisor
Manorama dasa, Youth Minister

Radha devi dasi, Vaisnavi Minister

Govinda Priya devi dasi, NA Vaisnavi Minister

Kumari Kunti devi dasi, NA Communications Co-Director

Madan Gopal dasa, NA Communications Co-Director

Indresh dasa, Zonal Supervisor

Jaya Krsna dasa, Zonal Supervisor

Vrnda devi dasi, Zonal Supervisor, Chair

Pyari Mohana dasa, Regional Secretary

Prabhupada Priya devi dasi, Zonal Supervisor

Ananga Sundari devi dasi, RGB Secretary

*The NA RGB was formerly known as the North American Council (NAC). It is now, as of 2023, officially to be known as the North American Regional Governing Body (NA RGB) of ISKCON.

HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

International Society for Krishna Consciousness Founder - Acharya A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

ISKCON New Vrindaban | 3759 McCrearys Ridge rd, Moundsville, WV 26041 ttrd@videotron.ca

PADA: Yeah except if the GBC loses, they will ask for another $20,000,000 to continue the case on appeal. Hey ISKCON Bangalore devotees! Just get 100 guys to picket in front of the court "Bangalore ISKCON Does Not Accept Homosexual and Pedophile Guru Lineages." And all this will be over in 72 hours. Once the press media goes after these clowns, the court would not dare rule in favor of a pedophile messiah's guru club. ys pd

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Jayapataka's successors taking karma on his behalf? Good luck! Hee hee. ys pd

Dear devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Guru Maharaj! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

This is a clarification from the office of His Holiness Srila Jayapataka Swami Maharaj ( JPS Office) regarding initiations.

Lately many devotees have contacted us asking whether Srila Jayapataka Swami Guru Maharaj has decided to stop giving initiations, whether such and such initiation is the last one, whether he has stopped giving shelter, etc.. There has been some misunderstanding about this and quotes from Srila Guru Maharaj's classes are posted on social media without proper context. This has caused confusion and panic among aspiring disciples and leaders.

To resolve this, recently we requested Guru Maharaj to clarify it in a letter. The following is his reply:

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On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:12 AM Jayapataka Swami wrote:

"My dear spiritual son Bhadra Balaram das,

Please accept my blessings.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Home Base and Camp: Sri Mayapur Candrodaya Mandir

Thank you for your letter. Actually, the reason that people are confused... if I say something then I will put it in writing, or otherwise people speculate. Srila Prabhupada told me to make 50,000 disciples, but I actually made more than that. So I want to make my disciples as gurus. Once that happens then I would cease to take on new disciples, except in rare cases. But I didn't say that people can’t take initiation or shelter, aspiring from me now. But a day will come when I will say that.

The system for aspiring in Namahatta, since they already have Gauranga Prema Swami, I don't take anyone from Namahatta aspiring. But if people want to take shelter, as long as I am giving initiation, they can take shelter. But in a year or two, that may be over. But those who have shelter and those who have aspiring, they will still be eligible to take initiation. So I won’t take any new first initiations. I don't know how to make it more clear. Right now, there is no change. But there may be a change in the future.

I hope this finds you in good health and happy Krsna consciousness.

Your well-wisher always,

Jayapataka Swami

JPS/hdcd"

Guru Maharaj added:

"I was a Guru at 28yrs of age. Now I am almost 75. So I want to think ahead, of the succession. And when I am present I can see that the disciples are acting properly. Some of the Gurus who have left, their disciples do not take up to be a Guru for a long time or not at all. So by me finding the succession, I can have many disciples take up this responsibility. Even if they make one disciple, I would be very happy. Just like Saranga Thakur...He made one disciple Murari Chaitanya, but Murari Chaitanya made thousands of disciples."

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If the above is not clear enough, here is what it means:

Since Guru Maharaj has already accepted 50,000 disciples as per Srila Prabhupada's instruction to him and since the number is increasing, he wants to gradually and systematically pass on that responsibility to his disciples and eventually stop initiating, or significantly reduce it. Once that happens, if someone strongly wants initiation from Guru maharaj, he may make an exception but that will not be easy. That will be harder. For now he continues to give aspiring, shelter and initiations but whoever wants to take it from him will have to be quick.

Guideline for Namahatta initiations:

Since HH Gauranga Prema Swami, a disciple of Guru Maharaj, has been blessed by Guru Maharaj and the GBC to be a diksha guru and accept his own disciples, new comers (new akankshi) from Namahatta are advised to approach HH Gauranga Prema Swami for aspiring, shelter and initiation. In other words, so far Namahatta is concerned, Guru Maharaj won't accept new aspiring candidates for initiation. 

However, Namahatta devotees who are already aspiring to take shelter from Guru Maharaj can take shelter and initiation from Guru Maharaj.

Another reason behind Guru Maharaj instructing his disciples to become diksha gurus in his physical presence is, he wants to ensure that they do take up that responsibility and execute their duties as diksha gurus properly. If you need further clarification or have any question, please write to

jpsofficedatabase@gmail.com

Hare Krishna
JPS Office