Gurudevis and Grandmothers
[PADA: Gurudevis? You mean after the bogus GBC made their illicit sex "Guru-devas" for the past 35 years, now they are going to make "Guru-devis," with -- who knows what kinds of problems that will generate? Instead of simply saying, "We are going to clean up the good name of Guru / Gurudeva," -- now they are adding more "gurus" to their ALREADY existing pile of oftentimes debauchees and speculators posing as gurus and messiahs? BVKS is not addressing the root issue: Their ENTIRE guru system is bogus.
"Varnasrama" means "headed by truthful brahmanas," but in the bogus ISKCON / BVKS society there is no truth, because they are avoiding the fact that none of these people are fit to be acharyas.]
BY: H.H. BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI
Undoubtedly, several senior women devotees in our movement are as learned, dedicated, and in other ways spiritually qualified as many of their god brothers. Why then should there be any hesitation to induct them as diksa-gurus?
[PADA: Why hesitate? Because their "men gurus" are ALREADY failing at being diksha gurus --- left, right and center, and therefore so will the women begin to fail. And this begs the question: who appointed these folks as diksha guru in the first place? This issue has not been addressed since 1977. Nor has BVKS addressed: "Why did (according to the GBC's version) Srila Prabhupada -- 'appoint' -- 11 fools as his guru successors in 1977"?
And why isn't BVKS clearing up Srila Prabhupada's good name by saying, he never appointed these 11 fools, or any other fools, as his guru successors? BVKS is creating the impression that Srila Prabhupada MADE A HUGE MISTAKE because wanted and ordered debauchees to be worshiped as his successors. This is giving Krishna and Srila Prabhupada a bad name for the past 35 years.]
BVKS: An important consideration is that the role of a guru, although wholly spiritual by nature, also has an inescapable social dimension. No one can live in any society without having a social role, which is determined by various factors including gender. For instance, only women can be mothers, and motherhood is much more than merely a biological function.
Among all possible forms of social organization, followers of Krsna's Vedic culture accept varnasrama-dharma as being axiomatically the best. In varnasrama-dharma, a specific, subtle, and subdued role is the norm for women, and men are accorded a more dominant role. From the beginning, Gaudiya Vaisnavas have largely accepted these gender roles, as is apparent in the sparse references to females among the associates of Lord Caitanya. More recently, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's Gaudiya Matha was clearly a male-dominated institution.
[PADA: And this is part of the reason why ISKCON has become so much anti-women, anti-children and anti-family. In 1977 the ISKCON leaders went IMMEDIATELY over to the Gaudiya Matha's leaders for "advice." And in their 1936 Gaudiya Matha -- women were suppressed and not allowed to live in their temples; or to get brahmana initiations; or to perform poojari work and so on. And since the GBC has become a sort of male dominated elite social club of "absolute authority acharyas" like the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha was -- women as a class are MORE AND MORE being alienated from ISKCON. This "women guru" plan is simply yet another trick to get a few more women back on board the bogus GBC's ship to nowhere.]
BVKS: Yet Lord Caitanya declared Himself to be not a member of any varna or asrama, and Gaudiya Vaisnavism aims to transcend all bodily designations and social roles.
[PADA: Except that in current ISKCON only those who have the bogus GBC's ecclesiastical votes (rubber stamp), or the GBC's "annual Mayapura" guru appointments, or the GBC's "designated as acharyas by 2/3 show of hands votes" and so on, are accepted as bona fide. All other devotees are subject to being persona non grata, kicked out, banned etc. Its a caste system disguised as ISKCON.]
BVKS: Lord Caitanya accepted among His topmost devotees Rupa, Sanatana, Haridasa, and others who were unacceptable to the social orthodoxy. Srila Prabhupada took this principle much further by inducting as brahmanas persons of wholly mleccha stock.
[PADA: Of course as soon as anyone says: The GBC gurus and leaders are NOT BEHAVING LIKE GURUS, and instead they are behaving like mlecchas, i.e. they are engaged in illicit sex and taking drugs etc., as such they are not actually gurus and acharyas, then the Bhakti Vikas swami's ISKCON guru's program kicks these "dissenters" out, saying it is a great offense not to agree that God's messiahs and diksha gurus are most of the time -- debauchees. BVKS has never explained why he supports these bogus GBC's policies that acharyas behave worse than mlecchas?]
BVKS: However, in accord with previous acaryas, Srila Prabhupada also wanted to reintroduce varnasrama-dharma. ("Varnasrama-dharma should be established to become a Vaisnava," said Srila Prabhupada in 1977. "It is not so easy to become a Vaisnava.") Varnasrama-dharma being a social arrangement and Vaisnavism a spiritual endeavor, there is a natural tension between the two. If devotees become overly concerned with the procedures of varnasrama-dharma, they risk subordinating its spiritual purpose and becoming dully ritualistic. Yet without varnasrama-dharma, aspiring Vaisnavas risk becoming sahajiyas, or losing Krsna consciousness altogether.
[PADA: ISKCON has become completely mundane ritualistic. FOR EXAMPLE: They force people to offer bhogha (food stuffs) to deviants who are engaged in illicit sex and other nonsense, then they say this is "Krishna's prasadam" because it has been offered in some sort of a ritual. No, simply some form of ritual does not create prasadam! The bhogha has to be offered to a pure devotee and not to debauchees. The entire BVKS program is chock full of dry and meaningless rituals such as this. Moreover, it is an offense to offer bhogha to debauchees and then claim this as "Krishna's prasadam." BVKS folks have also told us: (a) Radhanatha has Mayavada tendencies, then they say, (b) he is distributing prasadam? How can bhogha offered to Mayavadas be prasadam? BVKS never explains these things?]
BVKS: Why at all varnasrama-dharma is required, when Vaisnavism is meant to help its practitioners transcend all social considerations, was several times explained by Srila Prabhupada (e.g. in a conversation in Mayapur on 14 February 1977). Indeed, Srila Prabhupada stated that 50% of his mission was yet to be established, in the form of varnasrama-dharma. If we consider what Srila Prabhupada actually did, we can perceive a little of the massive task that Srila Prabhupada has left us. Just as spreading Krsna consciousness worldwide and compiling volumes of lawbooks for the next ten thousand years was an unprecedented and seemingly impossible achievement, so is the reestablishment of varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: The first thing the GBC did was to kick out most of the Srila Prabhupada devotees, and empty the temples. How can we "build a society" with hardly any man / women power?]
BVKS: Unfortunately we as an institution have opted to acquiesce with a misguided civilization that is collapsing all around us, rather than implementing varnasrama-dharma as the literally God-given remedy for all social ills.
[PADA: This is an insult to the material civilization. The material civilization never worships illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs like the bogus GBC does. They have a much higher standard than the current GBC gurus of bogus ISKCON. More importantly, anyone who thinks illicit sex is not the qualification of acharya is booted out of ISKCON immediately, so there is a giant purge of manpower going on until the present day, based on lies and cheating principles.]
BVKS: We have found it easier to be content with urban properties and followers rather than taking Srila Prabhupada's revolution to the next level by living on the land, protecting cows, producing our own food, and being happy by chanting Hare Krsna. For several years the GBC has been conducting strategic planning, but varnasrama-dharma is not on the agenda, even as a long-term project.
[PADA: Good, yes there were supposed to be farms, restaurants, schools, big householder communities, all of which has been squandered away. And most of the temple are now empty shells, all so they could support a few dozen men who think they are the re-incarnations of Jesus and they live like millionaires.]
BVKS: There is ample evidence of ISKCON's becoming increasingly compromised—in fact that is the subject of a whole book by Professor E. Burke Rochford ("Hare Krishna Transformed"). That we have converted the gurukulas started by Srila Prabhupada into schools that teach government syllabi (in contravention of Srila Prabhupada's express order), and that we increasingly present our movement as being Hindu, are just two examples of our pronounced "mission drift." (See "Explaining "Some Concerns about ISKCON": Mission Drift ")
[PADA: OK, this begs the question, how can the people who are creating this mission drift be -- gurus? BVKS never explains this point? The GBC are gurus, but they are engaged in mission drift? No, they were never gurus, they have been "drifting" away from Srila Prabhupada from square one.]
BVKS: The non-implementation of varnasrama-dharma should be considered in light of the following grave words (Cc Adi 12.10): acaryera mata yei, sei mata sara/ tanra ajna langhi' cale, sei ta' asara:
TRANSLATION: The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.
PURPORT: Here is the opinion of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless. (end quote) Just as Srila Prabhupada criticized his god brothers as being useless (see Cc Adi 12.8 purport) for not having fulfilled their guru's open order to preach Krsna consciousness, so future generations might well criticize us as being useless for having deviated from Srila Prabhupada's open order to establish varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: The root issue of the Gaudiya Matha being "asara" was that they artificially appointed bogus people as gurus, and these bogus SELF APPOINTED gurus USURPED the assets and thereby checked and stopped the preaching. This is also what is happening in post-1977 ISKCON, but BVKS never explains this? BVKS describes the bogus SELF APPOINTED guru's program of post-1936 as being asara, but he never identifies the same identical SELF APPOINTED guru's deviation in ISKCON? The SELF APPOINTED guru deviants USURPED the properties by claiming to be gurus in 1936 and later after 1977.]
BVKS: Therefore I suggest that the issue of female diksa-gurus be considered in relation to the whole direction of our movement. If we wish to continue neglecting Srila Prabhupada's order to institute varnasrama-dharma, then introducing female diksa-gurus is the logical next step in our pandering to the egalitarian fantasy that is intrinsic to modern so-called civilization.
[PADA: Good point here, making female diksha gurus is simply pandering, because its not based on the FACTUAL reality -- that these women are not pure devotees, and as such they are not fit to be worshiped as gurus. Its just all MORE AND MORE artificial appointing and rubber stamping gurus, an "egalitarian fantasy." Good job BVKS! Except BVKS does not explain that their whole post 1977 guru rubber stamping program is a "fantasy" from square one? Who authorized the GBC to rubber stamp any gurus, male or female? BVKS never explains?]
BVKS: But if somehow we get back to what Srila Prabhupada so much wanted and we decide to implement varnasrama-dharma, then we will have to put much energy into community development, starting at the family level. If husbands and wives cannot live happily together, there cannot be stable families, without which there cannot be stable communities, without which there cannot be varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: Right, having gurus who are interfering with people's family life such as: -- Ordering divorces; Taking the family's money away and using it for their jet set "guru" lifestyles; Forcing children to worship child molesters as their messiahs, and so on and so forth, has ruined the family atmosphere in ISKCON. So BVKS is right, without a peaceful family environment, there cannot be any varnasrama -- which is based on peaceful family lifestyle. Good on ya BVKS! Except, BVKS fails to identify the group that is creating this anti-family atmosphere as -- the GBC's bogus SELF APPOINTED guru sabha? Who is creating this anti-family process since 1977?]
BVKS: Sannyasis tend to get all the name, fame, and glory, but it is a great mistake to underestimate the importance of mothers and grandmothers. The body and psychology of women are designed to perform an essential function that men simply cannot do, which is to be mothers. Without the total giving of themselves to their children that is the natural characteristic of motherhood, we cannot expect children to develop into emotionally secure adults.
[PADA: Right, most of the emotional attachment is being artificially stolen by a few bogus gurus, and so the emotional attachment for the family and children elements of society is being siphoned off. Brilliant observation BVKS! And why isn't Srila Prabhupada getting all the name, fame and glory? BVKS indirectly admits: HDG's worship is being suppressed.]
BVKS: In the modern world, females are unnaturally drafted into go-getter male roles, and not encouraged to develop their innate feminine tendencies toward motherly affection and selflessness.
[PADA: That is what happened in ISKCON after 1977. Many of the mothers were told to be "go-getters" and "go out and make money by doing the (samkirtana?) pick," instead of "watching over your children," and thus many of these ISKCON children were neglected, abused and sexually exploited. The root of the problem was that most of these women were taken AWAY from their motherly roles as protectors and watch dogs over their children BY THE BOGUS GBC's SELF APPOINTED GURU LEADERS, with devastating consequences. Yet BVKS never calls for the resignation of the entire GBC body which created this "Auschwitz for children process" in the first place? BVKS is still allowing the creators and orchestrators of this mass abuse and molesting program -- to be worshiped as gurus? Why does not BVKS demand their mass resignation wholesale for their role in creating all this mayhem and suffering?]
BVKS: This is undoubtedly a major unseen factor in the discontent and psychological imbalance of innumerable individuals today. People can suffer lifelong if they do not grow up being soaked in mother's love.
[PADA: Wow, this is great stuff BVKS! Yes, many of the ex-children of ISKCON are now totally alienated from the movement, and a number of them are even against Krishna. Why? Because many were mistreated as children and have developed a lifetime mood of revenge and alienation. In other words, the GBC gurus made the mothers "full time, all the time, collecting money" -- and thus neglecting their children for a SHORT TERM monetary gain, not caring about the long range consequences of abusing and alienating these children. Never mind the leaders covered up abuses and sexual exploitation of children. Why isn't BVKS demanding their resignation for these crimes against humanity?]
BVKS: ISKCON already has many devotees competent to deliver learned lectures, but we have yet to demonstrate to the world a better way of life based on stable, happy families. Because we have not yet have a developed family culture, it might seem that that the only way that senior Vaisnavis can share their years of experience in Krsna consciousness is by traveling around giving lectures.
[PADA: BVKS: "Not yet developed family culture"? GOOD POINT BVKS! How can ISKCON survive without family culture? Family is the basis of society, so if the foundation is not being developed, then how can we build anything from there? We cannot. We have to address the root issue, there is a small clique of selfish men monopolizing the function of the ISKCON society. And they have had a systematic policy to remove all of us householders for the past 35 years, and then enjoy the assets of the society by posing as bogus acharyas. AS A RESULT there is little or no societal development, or family based Varnasrama development, and thus hardly no farms, no schools, no facility for the ex-gurukulis, no nothing.]
BVKS: No doubt some of our exalted godsisters can lecture as well as the best sannyasis in our movement.
[PADA: OK this is another big problem, the sannyasas / gurus in ISKCON are "lecturing" that we need to worship their illicit sex acharyas program, and that "preaching" is what has been causing all the havoc in the first place, and ever since? Why doesn't BVKS admit that this is the main problem, there is false propaganda that deviants, mayavadis, molesters, debauchees et al. are (or have been) "links" in the chain of Krishna's accharyas, and this preaching has been going on from the hi-jacked ISKCON Vyasa seats?]
BVKS: Yet by adopting a sannyasi-like lifestyle, they are inadvertently sending a message to junior matajis that the topmost aspiration for a woman in Krsna consciousness is to be an independent preacher—and now maybe a guru also.
[PADA: Right, making a system of guru by votes simply means, the younger people in that system will be trying to get "voted in as gurus" later on, thus their entire system creates an artificial environment of competition for worship, and concocted posts of authority and power.]
BVKS: (However, guruship in ISKCON means a lot more than just big seats and flowers, and would-be gurudevis might have second thoughts if they knew what they were getting into.)
[PADA: Right, this is why even some of the women are saying "the women guru program is opening the Pandora's box for more troubles."]
BVKS: I respectfully submit that our senior Vaisnavis can better serve Srila Prabhupada's mission, not by trying to emulate sannyasis, but by serving as ideal grandmothers, helping to guide young mothers in how to manage households expertly, with unlimited warmth and affection, and in an exemplary Krsna conscious manner. By acting as home-based guides within small communities, senior Vaisnavis can perform a vital role in establishing Krsna conscious culture at grassroots level in a way that sannyasis cannot. Although in emergencies anything can be done, if we are to demonstrate to the world that varnasrama-dharma is the most stable, satisfying, and enlightened form of social organization, then we shall have to train our men as responsible husbands and fathers, and our women as devoted wives and affectionate mothers. Trying to cast everyone into male roles simply underlines our failure to institute varnasrama-dharma, and our unwillingness to reverse this trend.
[PADA: Right if the society is based on a very teen elitist clique getting artificial guru rubber stamp, it will always be simply a teeny and corrupt cult and nothing more, it will never be a broad based functioning society.]
BVKS: We cannot browbeat lady devotees to adopt stri-dharma, and to attempt to do so would likely result in offenses. Yet if we are to establish that traditional household roles for women, although scorned by feminists, are indeed what Krsna has prescribed for them and is what works best for them and for the world, then first we as a society will have to understand and emphasize this point. We shall also have to praise and adore chaste women, as sastra teaches us to do, rather than simply neglect them.
[PADA: It worse than neglect, women who did not want to worship the GBC's homosexual and pedophile messiahs club were vilified and driven out on a rail, and they still are.]
BVKS: The present controversy about female diksa-gurus is a symptom of the cultural rift that has been widening within ISKCON for at least fifteen years, and that if not resolved can only result in a distinct schism. It all centers on the question of the cultural orientation of our movement.
[PADA: Cultural rift? The current leaders of ISKCON are saying that God's syccessors and acharyas engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, this is not even accepted in cannibal society. The current leaders of ISKCON have less culture than cannibal society apparently?]
BVKS: Over the years, the leadership of ISKCON has quietly, without consulting the wider body of devotees, promoted assimilation with the broader society rather than conquest of it by varnasrama-dharma. Hopefully, this current standoff concerning female gurus will lead to a society-wide reassessment of our cultural values and of the whole direction of our organization.
[PADA: Its not a society wide reassessment, its basically a few crack pots like BVKS, PADA and others who are addressing things, the main body of leaders wants to keep the status quo.]
BVKS: If that discussion were to result in a commitment to establish varnasrama-dharma, it would be a great step forward for our movement. By continuing to neglect this order of Srila Prabhupada, we risk being gradually cut off from his full mercy, as is manifest even today in our increasing adoption of secular and mundane traits. (For a detailed discussion of the need for stri-dharma in ISKCON today, please listen to: "Women - Masters or Mothers?")
[PADA: Well this is a step in the right direction, but it does not go far enough. ys pd]
BVKS: Yet Lord Caitanya declared Himself to be not a member of any varna or asrama, and Gaudiya Vaisnavism aims to transcend all bodily designations and social roles.
[PADA: Except that in current ISKCON only those who have the bogus GBC's ecclesiastical votes (rubber stamp), or the GBC's "annual Mayapura" guru appointments, or the GBC's "designated as acharyas by 2/3 show of hands votes" and so on, are accepted as bona fide. All other devotees are subject to being persona non grata, kicked out, banned etc. Its a caste system disguised as ISKCON.]
BVKS: Lord Caitanya accepted among His topmost devotees Rupa, Sanatana, Haridasa, and others who were unacceptable to the social orthodoxy. Srila Prabhupada took this principle much further by inducting as brahmanas persons of wholly mleccha stock.
[PADA: Of course as soon as anyone says: The GBC gurus and leaders are NOT BEHAVING LIKE GURUS, and instead they are behaving like mlecchas, i.e. they are engaged in illicit sex and taking drugs etc., as such they are not actually gurus and acharyas, then the Bhakti Vikas swami's ISKCON guru's program kicks these "dissenters" out, saying it is a great offense not to agree that God's messiahs and diksha gurus are most of the time -- debauchees. BVKS has never explained why he supports these bogus GBC's policies that acharyas behave worse than mlecchas?]
BVKS: However, in accord with previous acaryas, Srila Prabhupada also wanted to reintroduce varnasrama-dharma. ("Varnasrama-dharma should be established to become a Vaisnava," said Srila Prabhupada in 1977. "It is not so easy to become a Vaisnava.") Varnasrama-dharma being a social arrangement and Vaisnavism a spiritual endeavor, there is a natural tension between the two. If devotees become overly concerned with the procedures of varnasrama-dharma, they risk subordinating its spiritual purpose and becoming dully ritualistic. Yet without varnasrama-dharma, aspiring Vaisnavas risk becoming sahajiyas, or losing Krsna consciousness altogether.
[PADA: ISKCON has become completely mundane ritualistic. FOR EXAMPLE: They force people to offer bhogha (food stuffs) to deviants who are engaged in illicit sex and other nonsense, then they say this is "Krishna's prasadam" because it has been offered in some sort of a ritual. No, simply some form of ritual does not create prasadam! The bhogha has to be offered to a pure devotee and not to debauchees. The entire BVKS program is chock full of dry and meaningless rituals such as this. Moreover, it is an offense to offer bhogha to debauchees and then claim this as "Krishna's prasadam." BVKS folks have also told us: (a) Radhanatha has Mayavada tendencies, then they say, (b) he is distributing prasadam? How can bhogha offered to Mayavadas be prasadam? BVKS never explains these things?]
BVKS: Why at all varnasrama-dharma is required, when Vaisnavism is meant to help its practitioners transcend all social considerations, was several times explained by Srila Prabhupada (e.g. in a conversation in Mayapur on 14 February 1977). Indeed, Srila Prabhupada stated that 50% of his mission was yet to be established, in the form of varnasrama-dharma. If we consider what Srila Prabhupada actually did, we can perceive a little of the massive task that Srila Prabhupada has left us. Just as spreading Krsna consciousness worldwide and compiling volumes of lawbooks for the next ten thousand years was an unprecedented and seemingly impossible achievement, so is the reestablishment of varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: The first thing the GBC did was to kick out most of the Srila Prabhupada devotees, and empty the temples. How can we "build a society" with hardly any man / women power?]
BVKS: Unfortunately we as an institution have opted to acquiesce with a misguided civilization that is collapsing all around us, rather than implementing varnasrama-dharma as the literally God-given remedy for all social ills.
[PADA: This is an insult to the material civilization. The material civilization never worships illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs like the bogus GBC does. They have a much higher standard than the current GBC gurus of bogus ISKCON. More importantly, anyone who thinks illicit sex is not the qualification of acharya is booted out of ISKCON immediately, so there is a giant purge of manpower going on until the present day, based on lies and cheating principles.]
BVKS: We have found it easier to be content with urban properties and followers rather than taking Srila Prabhupada's revolution to the next level by living on the land, protecting cows, producing our own food, and being happy by chanting Hare Krsna. For several years the GBC has been conducting strategic planning, but varnasrama-dharma is not on the agenda, even as a long-term project.
[PADA: Good, yes there were supposed to be farms, restaurants, schools, big householder communities, all of which has been squandered away. And most of the temple are now empty shells, all so they could support a few dozen men who think they are the re-incarnations of Jesus and they live like millionaires.]
BVKS: There is ample evidence of ISKCON's becoming increasingly compromised—in fact that is the subject of a whole book by Professor E. Burke Rochford ("Hare Krishna Transformed"). That we have converted the gurukulas started by Srila Prabhupada into schools that teach government syllabi (in contravention of Srila Prabhupada's express order), and that we increasingly present our movement as being Hindu, are just two examples of our pronounced "mission drift." (See "Explaining "Some Concerns about ISKCON": Mission Drift ")
[PADA: OK, this begs the question, how can the people who are creating this mission drift be -- gurus? BVKS never explains this point? The GBC are gurus, but they are engaged in mission drift? No, they were never gurus, they have been "drifting" away from Srila Prabhupada from square one.]
BVKS: The non-implementation of varnasrama-dharma should be considered in light of the following grave words (Cc Adi 12.10): acaryera mata yei, sei mata sara/ tanra ajna langhi' cale, sei ta' asara:
TRANSLATION: The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.
PURPORT: Here is the opinion of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless. (end quote) Just as Srila Prabhupada criticized his god brothers as being useless (see Cc Adi 12.8 purport) for not having fulfilled their guru's open order to preach Krsna consciousness, so future generations might well criticize us as being useless for having deviated from Srila Prabhupada's open order to establish varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: The root issue of the Gaudiya Matha being "asara" was that they artificially appointed bogus people as gurus, and these bogus SELF APPOINTED gurus USURPED the assets and thereby checked and stopped the preaching. This is also what is happening in post-1977 ISKCON, but BVKS never explains this? BVKS describes the bogus SELF APPOINTED guru's program of post-1936 as being asara, but he never identifies the same identical SELF APPOINTED guru's deviation in ISKCON? The SELF APPOINTED guru deviants USURPED the properties by claiming to be gurus in 1936 and later after 1977.]
BVKS: Therefore I suggest that the issue of female diksa-gurus be considered in relation to the whole direction of our movement. If we wish to continue neglecting Srila Prabhupada's order to institute varnasrama-dharma, then introducing female diksa-gurus is the logical next step in our pandering to the egalitarian fantasy that is intrinsic to modern so-called civilization.
[PADA: Good point here, making female diksha gurus is simply pandering, because its not based on the FACTUAL reality -- that these women are not pure devotees, and as such they are not fit to be worshiped as gurus. Its just all MORE AND MORE artificial appointing and rubber stamping gurus, an "egalitarian fantasy." Good job BVKS! Except BVKS does not explain that their whole post 1977 guru rubber stamping program is a "fantasy" from square one? Who authorized the GBC to rubber stamp any gurus, male or female? BVKS never explains?]
BVKS: But if somehow we get back to what Srila Prabhupada so much wanted and we decide to implement varnasrama-dharma, then we will have to put much energy into community development, starting at the family level. If husbands and wives cannot live happily together, there cannot be stable families, without which there cannot be stable communities, without which there cannot be varnasrama-dharma.
[PADA: Right, having gurus who are interfering with people's family life such as: -- Ordering divorces; Taking the family's money away and using it for their jet set "guru" lifestyles; Forcing children to worship child molesters as their messiahs, and so on and so forth, has ruined the family atmosphere in ISKCON. So BVKS is right, without a peaceful family environment, there cannot be any varnasrama -- which is based on peaceful family lifestyle. Good on ya BVKS! Except, BVKS fails to identify the group that is creating this anti-family atmosphere as -- the GBC's bogus SELF APPOINTED guru sabha? Who is creating this anti-family process since 1977?]
BVKS: Sannyasis tend to get all the name, fame, and glory, but it is a great mistake to underestimate the importance of mothers and grandmothers. The body and psychology of women are designed to perform an essential function that men simply cannot do, which is to be mothers. Without the total giving of themselves to their children that is the natural characteristic of motherhood, we cannot expect children to develop into emotionally secure adults.
[PADA: Right, most of the emotional attachment is being artificially stolen by a few bogus gurus, and so the emotional attachment for the family and children elements of society is being siphoned off. Brilliant observation BVKS! And why isn't Srila Prabhupada getting all the name, fame and glory? BVKS indirectly admits: HDG's worship is being suppressed.]
BVKS: In the modern world, females are unnaturally drafted into go-getter male roles, and not encouraged to develop their innate feminine tendencies toward motherly affection and selflessness.
[PADA: That is what happened in ISKCON after 1977. Many of the mothers were told to be "go-getters" and "go out and make money by doing the (samkirtana?) pick," instead of "watching over your children," and thus many of these ISKCON children were neglected, abused and sexually exploited. The root of the problem was that most of these women were taken AWAY from their motherly roles as protectors and watch dogs over their children BY THE BOGUS GBC's SELF APPOINTED GURU LEADERS, with devastating consequences. Yet BVKS never calls for the resignation of the entire GBC body which created this "Auschwitz for children process" in the first place? BVKS is still allowing the creators and orchestrators of this mass abuse and molesting program -- to be worshiped as gurus? Why does not BVKS demand their mass resignation wholesale for their role in creating all this mayhem and suffering?]
BVKS: This is undoubtedly a major unseen factor in the discontent and psychological imbalance of innumerable individuals today. People can suffer lifelong if they do not grow up being soaked in mother's love.
[PADA: Wow, this is great stuff BVKS! Yes, many of the ex-children of ISKCON are now totally alienated from the movement, and a number of them are even against Krishna. Why? Because many were mistreated as children and have developed a lifetime mood of revenge and alienation. In other words, the GBC gurus made the mothers "full time, all the time, collecting money" -- and thus neglecting their children for a SHORT TERM monetary gain, not caring about the long range consequences of abusing and alienating these children. Never mind the leaders covered up abuses and sexual exploitation of children. Why isn't BVKS demanding their resignation for these crimes against humanity?]
BVKS: ISKCON already has many devotees competent to deliver learned lectures, but we have yet to demonstrate to the world a better way of life based on stable, happy families. Because we have not yet have a developed family culture, it might seem that that the only way that senior Vaisnavis can share their years of experience in Krsna consciousness is by traveling around giving lectures.
[PADA: BVKS: "Not yet developed family culture"? GOOD POINT BVKS! How can ISKCON survive without family culture? Family is the basis of society, so if the foundation is not being developed, then how can we build anything from there? We cannot. We have to address the root issue, there is a small clique of selfish men monopolizing the function of the ISKCON society. And they have had a systematic policy to remove all of us householders for the past 35 years, and then enjoy the assets of the society by posing as bogus acharyas. AS A RESULT there is little or no societal development, or family based Varnasrama development, and thus hardly no farms, no schools, no facility for the ex-gurukulis, no nothing.]
BVKS: No doubt some of our exalted godsisters can lecture as well as the best sannyasis in our movement.
[PADA: OK this is another big problem, the sannyasas / gurus in ISKCON are "lecturing" that we need to worship their illicit sex acharyas program, and that "preaching" is what has been causing all the havoc in the first place, and ever since? Why doesn't BVKS admit that this is the main problem, there is false propaganda that deviants, mayavadis, molesters, debauchees et al. are (or have been) "links" in the chain of Krishna's accharyas, and this preaching has been going on from the hi-jacked ISKCON Vyasa seats?]
BVKS: Yet by adopting a sannyasi-like lifestyle, they are inadvertently sending a message to junior matajis that the topmost aspiration for a woman in Krsna consciousness is to be an independent preacher—and now maybe a guru also.
[PADA: Right, making a system of guru by votes simply means, the younger people in that system will be trying to get "voted in as gurus" later on, thus their entire system creates an artificial environment of competition for worship, and concocted posts of authority and power.]
BVKS: (However, guruship in ISKCON means a lot more than just big seats and flowers, and would-be gurudevis might have second thoughts if they knew what they were getting into.)
[PADA: Right, this is why even some of the women are saying "the women guru program is opening the Pandora's box for more troubles."]
BVKS: I respectfully submit that our senior Vaisnavis can better serve Srila Prabhupada's mission, not by trying to emulate sannyasis, but by serving as ideal grandmothers, helping to guide young mothers in how to manage households expertly, with unlimited warmth and affection, and in an exemplary Krsna conscious manner. By acting as home-based guides within small communities, senior Vaisnavis can perform a vital role in establishing Krsna conscious culture at grassroots level in a way that sannyasis cannot. Although in emergencies anything can be done, if we are to demonstrate to the world that varnasrama-dharma is the most stable, satisfying, and enlightened form of social organization, then we shall have to train our men as responsible husbands and fathers, and our women as devoted wives and affectionate mothers. Trying to cast everyone into male roles simply underlines our failure to institute varnasrama-dharma, and our unwillingness to reverse this trend.
[PADA: Right if the society is based on a very teen elitist clique getting artificial guru rubber stamp, it will always be simply a teeny and corrupt cult and nothing more, it will never be a broad based functioning society.]
BVKS: We cannot browbeat lady devotees to adopt stri-dharma, and to attempt to do so would likely result in offenses. Yet if we are to establish that traditional household roles for women, although scorned by feminists, are indeed what Krsna has prescribed for them and is what works best for them and for the world, then first we as a society will have to understand and emphasize this point. We shall also have to praise and adore chaste women, as sastra teaches us to do, rather than simply neglect them.
[PADA: It worse than neglect, women who did not want to worship the GBC's homosexual and pedophile messiahs club were vilified and driven out on a rail, and they still are.]
BVKS: The present controversy about female diksa-gurus is a symptom of the cultural rift that has been widening within ISKCON for at least fifteen years, and that if not resolved can only result in a distinct schism. It all centers on the question of the cultural orientation of our movement.
[PADA: Cultural rift? The current leaders of ISKCON are saying that God's syccessors and acharyas engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, this is not even accepted in cannibal society. The current leaders of ISKCON have less culture than cannibal society apparently?]
BVKS: Over the years, the leadership of ISKCON has quietly, without consulting the wider body of devotees, promoted assimilation with the broader society rather than conquest of it by varnasrama-dharma. Hopefully, this current standoff concerning female gurus will lead to a society-wide reassessment of our cultural values and of the whole direction of our organization.
[PADA: Its not a society wide reassessment, its basically a few crack pots like BVKS, PADA and others who are addressing things, the main body of leaders wants to keep the status quo.]
BVKS: If that discussion were to result in a commitment to establish varnasrama-dharma, it would be a great step forward for our movement. By continuing to neglect this order of Srila Prabhupada, we risk being gradually cut off from his full mercy, as is manifest even today in our increasing adoption of secular and mundane traits. (For a detailed discussion of the need for stri-dharma in ISKCON today, please listen to: "Women - Masters or Mothers?")
[PADA: Well this is a step in the right direction, but it does not go far enough. ys pd]
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