Who absorbs the sins? Letter to Akruranatha dasa

PADA: Dear Akranatha, OK, you totally avoided the point. Srila Prabhupada says that Jesus is still absorbing the sins of his followers today, that means no one else has the potency to do so, and that this process can apply to a departed acharya or guru. You have failed to tell us, exactly who is doing that today for ISKCON? The GBC says they are doing that because they are now the current sin absorbing diksha gurus, fine except they keep "crashing and burning" as Badrinarayan dasa said recently. Why is your party saying most of the 230 diksha gurus, who are thus like Jesus, "crashes and burns" on a regular basis? Why would a diksha person who is like Jesus always crash and burn? This means they are not on that level.

And you then stepped into the ritvik arena, saying that the GBC are only "preachers" in ISKCON, ok preachers are priests or ritviks and not acharyas? You are juxtaposing the function of priest and acharya. We say they are preachers and so they are NOT absorbing the sins, they are merely meant to offer baptism on behalf of the acharya, they are not the acharya themselves, and you seem to agree almost by admitting, they are only preachers, not acharyas? If they are preachers, that means, you are agreeing with us!

And in fact Srila Prabhupada did tell his disciples "do not jump like monkeys"to the post of guru, yes he warned of this often. We are supposed to be his representatives, that means preachers, and worse, if we remove the preachers and make the temples "skeleton crew" as Lokanatha swami says is going on, who will do the "living preaching"? This is another contradiction, we need living people, so remove myself, Yasodananda, Kailash, Jadurani, and thousands of others, so there is almost no live person left? Even if your theory is that we need live person, there are almost no live persons left?

So, who is the person who is absorbing the sins of the new disciples, the GBC says they are doing that, and in fact they say they are often getting sick and falling down from doing that, yet you fail to tell us, since they were told not to absorb sins, where was this order ammended? Where were they told they had the capacity to absorb sins and act like another Jesus or acharya? Recently, one GBC guru sends his people out to get heavy medications, the mother of one of his disciples called me and told me, he is taking psychotropics, because "he took too many sins." OK, who told him to do that?

Therefore the Christian priest (ritvik) or ISKCON preacher does not have the capacity to do that. Srila Prabhupada says that in order to absorb sins one need to have sufficient purity and brahmana tejyas, a sort of spiritual fire, which burns off the sins. Srila Prabhupada say the reason only a pure devotee can absorb sins is that only he has the potency to do so, just like only Jesus has the potency to do so in his mission. You fail to tell us, where is the order for us neophytes to act like Jesus and absorb sins? And if psychotropics are required to absorb the sins, does that not mean your team are simply making drug addicts into acharyas? Please answer my points, ys pd

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New York Temple degradation (Payonidhi dasa)

Dear Ramabhadra Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisences. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

I have one humble request, stay far away from me as long as you have a Bingo hall at ISKCON Brooklyn and allow yearly meat cook out by NY firemen. Unless this is resolved, do not talk to me. Last year in 2010 you asked me to help you obtain Govardhana Sila in Vrindavan.I did not know these things still was going on or would have advised against it.

However Giriraja worship is not allowed  where such things as meat eating is going on.

 

I therefore humbly request you to place Giriraja back on Govardhana until Brooklyn temple discontinues a Bingo hall and yearly meat cookout.Fascilitating eating meat is also a sin and is opposed to GBC rules of 1996. As I posted to you in my previous email.

The worship of Giriraja is for those on the path of Niskama bhakti and Vraja Bhakti and who daily chants 64 rounds as shown by Srila Raghunath das Goswami.The worship of Giriraja is not only opposed to demigodworship but all kind of ulterior motives such as a Bingo hall.

 

Srila Prabhupada was furious  chicken was cooked at the temple in New York, but you allow yearly meat cook out for many. Srila Prabhupada chastised the devotee who did not tell him about the cooking of chickens, but my dear Sir, I am no 'chicken', and thus I am reporting this to the lotusfeet of Sri Sri Radha Govinda, Mahaprabhu, Srila Prabhupada and the vaisnavas. I  have done my duty in this matter, and even offered to help you get rid of this deviation. LORD NARASIMHA  is watching and is not pleased with serving grains on HIS holy appearance day or with meat eating at the temple or with Bingo. 

If you have any vaisnava friends they will tell you the same, if they are not vaisnavas, they will say it is ok. sincerly Payonidhi das

Dear Akruranatha (Monday Feb 28)

Dear Akruranatha, I am not sure if you are aware of the mood during 1978, anyone who asked questions was given severe treatment, if not threats, and / or a big boot out the door. Jadurani for example was kicked out and later atacked at LA Rathayatra in 1980 by four "Ramesvara women," fortunately my karate expert friend Mahasraya dasa was there and was able to fend these women off, they wanted to "make her bloody."

So she was booted out, Kailash, Yasodananda, myself, hundreds of devotees from Paris, hundreds of devotees from the Harikesh zone, hundreds and hundreds were being purged all the time, so the whole lot of us were being booted out, and by 1984 there was only two Prabhupada devotees left in Berkeley, there was a mass purge that you seem to be unaware of. I am not sure why you think this is the conduct of "regular gurus"?

It was simply not a good time to come up and say, hey, I recall that Srila Prabhupada said this, or that, or anything else. Yasodananada was informed by Mahamsa swami that if he left his room he would be beaten, and so Mahamsa and friends accompanied him off the property in India, to protect him.

I was aware all along for example that on January 21, 1977 Srila Prabhupada had said, they are not fit for sannyasa, so suspend sannyasa, so, how could they be gurus by January 1978? Made no sense. And so, why didn't I bring that up right away? Because, people bringing these type of things up were being bounced out of the society, as I eventually was in 1979, for asking these types of questions. Questions were simply not allowed, and are not that welcome even today.

As for the 1990 debate, I was invited but was told I would not be able to bring up any of the GBC guru's behaviors and history, which is basically our whole argument, i.e. they are not acting like acharyas. As a lawyer, you'd never take a case where you were told that you would not be able to bring up any of the behavior and history of your opponent in court, its called cheating. So I boycotted the meeting. I am also not sure why it was bona fide for "gurus" to threaten to kill me for publishing the letters written by my guru? In any case you seem to be doing what happened in 1990, avoiding the behavior and history of these gurus. ys pd

Martin Raghavendu writes

Martin A. Raghavendu Lewis

Tim Lee, Puranjana Prabhu, what happened to you dude? I can't believe in was just the murder of Sulocana. Something very disturbing you must have happened in your childhood therefore you must have deep scars. It could have been emotion...al, sexual or physical abuse or a combination. But your current mentality is certainly the sad result of this. Of course you frustrate me, by either refusing to have a normal discourse or perhaps for the reasons I list above, you are not capable of normal communication. You seem to want to unnecessarily blame and shame persons who do not entirely agree with you and see them as you enemies. Actually as wacked as you are you should know that I don't hate you at all. I know that at one time you did some sincere service for Srila Prabhupada especially during his Earthly lila, so actually I am trying to see you in that light. But I feel that it is unfortunate that you take a stance where it makes almost everyone your enemy. Actually it is a very sad thing and in some ways just as sad as the abuse that took place within Iskcon. In some ways you have allowed yourself to become the poster boy for all the dysfunctional relationships with Iskcon.See More

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Tim Lee

Dear Martin, you did not read the above letter from Akuti dd, she is being harassed right NOW. The woman that was shoved around at your temple is upset over this NOW. Your people are NOW saying acharyas fall down, as of right NOW. You folks... are saying Lord Krishna's messiahs are crashing and burning is as of: right NOW. Your folks are suing Bangalore and spending millions of rupees to shut down our free food program now. OK NOW is not 1986! You are always talking about the past, I am talking about right now. And your book editor says he did a botch job editing the books, so NOW he says he wants to re-edit his botched editing of Srila Prabhupada's books. Martin, you need to quit dwelling on the past and catch up to speed, I am giving you examples of what your team is doing now, sorry, it is no longer 1986, it is NOW that we are discussing. ys pd