Kirtanananda Samadhi / Should we criticize? / Ukraine Update 10 05 26

KIRTANANANDA SAMADHI

Anon Dasa: Here is the Samadhi for Kirtananda that Radhanath Swami helped build. He also let Dhunadar Swami sit and give lectures at the Bhakti Center, because he loves child abusers so much. 

Dhunadar was accused of very violent abuse towards more than 400 children and is banned in ISKCON, but Bhakti Center is not ISKCON, it is a haven for pedophiles. When the abused children have gone to RNS for help, he challenges "But, you have no proof". 

Yes, these former children had no cameras, recorders or cell phones back then, but they do have their memories. (They recall MK Ultra activities that Tramatized them into forgetting, but some remember anyway Krishna's mercy) He was also involved in getting and paying for an assassin (his fingerprints were on the money) to kill Sulochan Prabhu. 

This is a very evil person and any psychic person can see his real face if they care to, it is demoniac as some have attested to. He has helped dozens of children become victims, some have suicided themselves because of the violent, Satanic nature of the abuse. We have witnesses (grown devotees who remember).

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SHOULD WE CRITICIZE DEVIATIONS?

ASD: Yasoda nandana das on the GBC's accusations of ‘disturbance’, ‘unwanted’ pro-Prabhupada uprising: “This is the same nonsense political argument which the GBC and the original 11 used in 1978. Call it what it is. It is a political cheapshot. It is argumentum ad hominem. Personal attacks when we were trying ascertain the main issue= what did Srila Prabhupada say in 1977 and how was it meant to practically apply? 

They had the control of the major conversations with Srila Prabhupada and full complete transcripts were not available for 10 years. They suppressed release of these documents while they were scheming and planning their takeover of the movement’s assets and properties.” (5 March, 2024)

2. Should Supreme Lord Sri Krishna clean all the mess by Himself?

Some people claim that ultimately Krishna controls everything, so we should just depend on Him, and He Himself will correct everything in ISKCON. It’s not our business to try and refute anyone or correct anything in ISKCON. But Srila Prabhupada gives another advice:

“Regarding Krishna’s being very kind upon us, should be on the principle as Arjuna followed: the principle is, that Krishna was Arjuna’s most intimate friend. He could have brought victory to Arjuna, without any endeavor by Arjuna; neither was that principle advised by Krishna, neither Arjuna followed it. As a military man, Arjuna fought to his best, but the victory was brought him by Krishna. Similarly, we should try our best to our best capacity, and victory will come from Krishna. We should never sit idly and ask Krishna to do everything. That is the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita. It is clearly said in the Gita: “Yuddhasya ca mam anusmara [Bg 8.7].”

[Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me in the form of Krsna and at the same time carry out your prescribed duty of fighting. With your activities dedicated to Me and your mind and intelligence fixed on Me, you will attain Me without doubt.]

So ordinarily, we have to try our best to our best capacity to achieve something, and by Krishna’s Grace, all of a sudden we shall see everything is there. This sort of help from Krishna is transcendental happiness.” (SP Letter to: Brahmananda — Los Angeles 20 February, 1968)

Puranjana das told how one supporter of maya-ISKCON was putting forward the same argument that it’s not our business to try and correct anything in ISKCON, Krishna will do it in due course of time. At this point his little kid came to the house. The child didn’t notice that his boot was making stool footprints all over the room, and the father immediately told him to stop it. So why then make these efforts to stop it? Maybe, it was proper to wait until Krishna will come personally and clean the mess by Himself? Acarya’s disciples should try to relieve the disordered situation, acting as instruments in the hands of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya:

“Unfortunately, when the ācārya disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called svāmīs, yogīs, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on. […] The ācārya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the ācārya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the spiritual master.” (SBhag. 4.28.48, purport)

From a S Bhag. class by Srila Prabhupada’s disciple Yasoda nandana das who was in Vrindavana in 1977: “So in this way we have to be very careful not to change anything that Prabhupada has given: the method of offering prasadam, the method of offering aratik, the method of initiation, the method of the books, the method of everything that he has given. This is very important. […] Prabhupada, before he departed, requested his secretary, “Please do not turn my institution like the Gaudiya Math or the Catholic Church”. What did they do? They went to consult the very individuals that created the hodge-podge in the Gaudiya Math and started all kinds of institutional concoctions.” (SBhag. 2.1.33 class, 2018)

That is, we should resist any attempt to turn ISKCON into a version of the deviated (after 1936) Gaudiya Matha or of emasculated Catholic Church, even if we have to fight against pseudo-gurus and pseudo-swamis (whose robes and false titles should not mislead us):

Girirāja: (reading) “Kṛṣṇa, who advented Himself just to kill all undesirable elements in the world…”

Prabhupāda: Yes. Similarly, this movement is advented to kill all the so-called yogis, swamis, avatāras, rascals, philosophers, commentators. We have to kill. Kill means… Where is your tilaka? You did not have tilaka in the morning?

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ah. So this is our one of the items, to vanquish all these rascals, so-called swamis. They say that “Why you criticize others also?” Because we have to vanquish them. Now these people cannot rise. When there is sunrise, there is no use of these glowworms. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is Kṛṣṇa Himself. Therefore they must be finished, all over the world. So-called religionists, so-called philosophers, so-called avatāras, swamis, yogis—finished. Our program should be like that. [break] …all these rascals, anymore to flourish. That is one of our program. (Hindi) [break] (Morning Walk Excerpts — May 2, 1974, Bombay)

“I am very glad that you are challenging all of these so-called swamis and gurus. My Guru Maharaja appreciated devotees who boldly present our Vaisnava philosophy. We must take advantage of every opportunity to defeat these rascals and drive them away, so please continue this strong attitude.” (SP Letter to: Bahulasva — Vrindaban 30 November, 1971)

3. We shouldn’t criticize anyone and anything, even deviations? Any criticism is offensive?

So what Srila Prabhupada warned against has already happened within ISKCON itself. We must not overlook and neglect this crisis. Every follower of Srila Prabhupada should counteract it. But Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners, defectors to the dark side, concealers and distorters of his instructions, false gurus and their accomplices have the cheek to claim that pro-Prabhupada revolution in ISKCON is supposedly unnecessary. Thereby they try (some consciously, and some not) to strangle it. Just like a junta that has seized power in a country and starts claiming: “There is no need for any coup! 

There is need to adopt a law banning any coups! Off course, except ours one.” Sincere devotees should support and actively participate in all-out UPRISING AGAINST THE FALSE GURUS and their regime. The example of Prabhupadanuga Anandamoya dasa: “France is famous for revolution and challenging the established order. 

It is ironic, however, that the real revolution will actually be re-instate the original established order – and rebuild ISKCON with Srila Prabhupada at the helm, with devotees all over the world co-operating under this one spiritual master. I am determined to make my insignificant contribution, to allow these “glory days” to return to France and the whole world!” (Coming to Prabhupada – The new French revolution, Back to Prabhupada, No. 9, Autumn 2005, pg. 9)

Otherwise, if we actively support the hijacked and extremely deviated maya-ISKCON, or even simply remain silent in this critical situation, then we directly or indirectly support the renegades and we are their accomplices.

Srila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura taught:

Patrikara Uddesya, Sajjana Tosani:

“In the name of bhakti in many places people are engaged in illicit or anti-bhakti activities in the name of practicing bhakti. If one does not expose those issues (cases) very clearly, then pure-bhakti will never be victorious or be established.”
Bheka-dharana, Sajjana Tosani:

“One should compulsorily engage in endeavouring to trying to uplift the Vaisnava-dharma from the mud of contamination and trying to free it from all kinds of dauratmya (wrong ideas and practices).”
Vaisnava-ninda, Sajjana Tosani 5/5:

“Actually, we should seriously consider the fact that without proper motivation, it is improper to reflect upon the faults of any jiva. To blaspheme a Vaisnava is an offence. Blaspheming other jivas is a sin. A Vaisnava has no desire to perform such sinful activities.

Yet if one has proper intentions in pointing out another’s faults, then sastra dos not consider that as an offence. There are three types of proper intention – if we expose someone’s sins in order that they ultimately attain auspiciousness, then such discussions are favorable. If we deliberate on a sinner’s vices in order to benefit the whole world, then this should be counted as an auspicious action. If such deliberations are for one’s own spiritual benefit, then such an aspect carries no fault.

When one reflects upon the histories concerning the previous life of Valmiki or the previous activities of Jagai and Madhai etc. then such deliberations are actually free of sin. When a disciple prays to the guru to identify a true Vaisnava, the guru, desiring auspiciousness for the disciple and the whole world, may draw attention to a non-Vaisnava whose behavior is actually unholy as well as those who are saintly Vaisnavas. With the intention to guide others to accept shelter at the feet of real Vaisnavas, it is not sadhu-ninda or vaisnava-aparadha to reject the company of such deceitful dharma-dhvajis (religious pretenders). 

Even if criticism arises towards a specific person, it is still free from any fault. These are all examples of criticizing with a proper motivation.

O readers! You must think carefully upon this serious subject matter. According to proper devotional conclusions, you must show honor to true Vaisnavas and without any hesitation whatsoever, abandon the company of non-devotees.
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Even if unconsciously you come into bad association, you will still become an offender to bhakti. Thus the Bhagavata says:

sango yah sammrter hetur asatsu vihito’dhiya
sa eva sadhusu krto ni˙sangatvaya kalpate

“If, due to faulty intelligence, one unwittingly comes into bad company, this will still lead to one falling into material bondage. However, in the same way, if one accepts the association of sadhus, such association will easily lead one away from bad company.” (Bhag. 3.23.55)

The glories of the great devotees (uttama-bhaktas), who see everyone as saintly, is declared in such devotional literatures as Bhakta-mala, Prapannamrta etc. – however, madhyama Vaisnavas should not imitate this. Such behavior leads to the fault known as anadhikara-carca (not acting according to one’s proper qualification) and they will fall down in no time.” (End of excerpt from Vaisnava-ninda)

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati continued Srila Bhaktivinoda’s fight for the purification of Gaudiya Vaisnavism and for its protection from harmful influence of kali-celas and the deviations they introduce. He stressed that these efforts should not be considered as blasphemy:

“To attribute on someone faults that are not present is called blasphemy. […] To criticize the behavior of nondevotees is called sad-upadesha, or good instruction. Other than devotional service to Vishnu, all activities of the living entities are condemnable. Sinful people often engage in abominable activities on the pretext of devotional service to Vishnu. Instructions to give up these activities should not be called ninda, or blasphemy.” (Sri Caitanya-bhagavata, Madhya-khanda, 13.312, purport)

Srila Prabhupada states in his purport to Cc Madhya 1.220:

“A jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaisnava in receiving the Lord’s mercy. Unfortunately, in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaisnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them as disciples of Kali.

He says, kali-cela. He indicates that there is another Vaisnava, a pseudo Vaisnava with tilaka on his nose and kanthi beads around his neck. Such a pseudo Vaisnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaisnavas. Although passing for a Vaisnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaisnava. Bhaktivinoda Thakura therefore says that such a pseudo Vaisnava is not a Vaisnava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga.

A disciple of Kali cannot become an acarya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false acarya may try to override a Vaisnava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.”

Harikesa: They are being quiet. They are too afraid to say.

Prabhupada: That means they are accepting. When they are quiet… Quiet means… Maunam sammati laksanam. If there is some argument and you remain quiet, that means indirectly you accept. (Room Conversation after Press Conference — July 9, 1975, Chicago)

“A wise person should not enter an assembly if he knows the participants there are committing acts of impropriety. And if, having entered such an assembly, he fails to speak the truth, speaks falsely or pleads ignorance, he will certainly incur sin.” (SBhag. 10.44.10)

Prabhupāda: So we have to challenge, protest, defeat. This will be our work. Our worshiping of Kṛṣṇa, that is our internal affair. The external affair—we need to establish this theory. Otherwise they’ll be leading this society…, misleading. They are misleading. Not leading; misleading. So we have to stop this misleading. Make program how to do it. Because it is truth, you will come triumphant. There is no doubt about it. It is truth.

Now you have to know how to present the truth. That is your business. We are not presenting something theories, concocted by my brain. No. This is the fact. Rudimentarily we have got evidences, but it has to be presented by the modern ways. They are presenting some wrong principle by propaganda, and we cannot establish real principle by factual presentation? What is the difficulty?

Brahmānanda: Well, when we ask them, they say, “I do not know.”

Prabhupāda: That is their position. They do not know. So immediately you have to challenge that rascal, “If you do not know, why you teach? What is the value of your teaching? If your position is ‘do not,’ then why you stand for teaching fact, or truth?”

Svarupa Dāmodara: At the present time there are no people to protest.

Prabhupāda: So we have to protest. Why we are? We have to protest and kick them on their face. That should be our position. If others are not protesting, why we shall sit down?

Svarupa Dāmodara: That is why… Others are not protesting. That is why people are accepting about these…

Prabhupāda: So you protest, write in book. You are scientist. Write in book. Prove scientifically. That will be your laurel of taking the doctorate degree. If you also become one of these rascal doctors, then what is the use of your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that whatever they say you silently accept? No. Just become Babhruvāhana, Manipur Babhruvāhana, that the fighting is faced. Take assistance. You have got.

Ask Dr. Rao to come, join. Make plan. Go from town to town, all over the world. This has to be done. There was a poetry by Rabindranath Tagore. The purport of the poetry, that one who is mischievous, he is culprit, but one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal. Challenge these rascals. Stop their rascal theories. (Morning Walk — May 3, 1973, Los Angeles)

Prabhupāda: So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools. That’s all. So those who have taken this movement seriously, they should be very sober and understand. At least you must expose all these rascals. That will be very much appreciated by Kṛṣṇa. (SBhag. 1.15.31 — December 9, 1973, Los Angeles)

“Apaiśunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life.” (Bg. 16.1-3 purport)

Prabhupāda: No, no, we have respect. But a thief should be called a thief. That is truth. (Morning Walk — April 5, 1974, Bombay)

There are many similar quotes. This is what Srila Prabhupada called for. Off course, any necessary criticism should be according to Bg. 17.15 rules of speech, etc. so that not to be harmful. But to claim, like many anti-ritviks do, that nothing should be criticized, no wrong should be noticed and protested in their maya-ISKCON and other deviated groups, etc. otherwise it’s blasphemy, is a very dangerous manipulation and distortion of Vaisnava philosophy. 

Why Lord Caitanya advised Sanatana Gosvami to include in his book the description of pariksa (testing guru and prospective disciple)? Because it’s not fault-finding, but necessary element of proper discretion. Moreover, sometimes anti-ritviks come to make a single comment: “Do not criticize!” But this very remark of theirs is also criticizing, disapproval. Isn’t it double standards?
Prabhupāda: Therefore they have to point out, “Here is a jealous man, envious man.” But people do not want it. They say, “Why you are pointing out? Why you are pointing out?” But this is business of the preacher. Otherwise how he will preach?

Girirāja: They want to be artificially the uttama adhikārī, to see everyone as nice.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes, everyone as nice, except himself. Uttama adhikārī vision, that everyone is nice. Then the preacher is also nice. Why you find out fault with the preacher? So imitation uttama adhikārī will not help. (Morning Walk — April 7, 1974, Bombay)

Sometimes one can see references to the following verse:

“The King [Parīkṣit] said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.” (SBhag. 1.17.22)

On the basis of this verse, they try to prove that no one should be criticized, exposed, punished, etc. However, this interpretation does not take into account the context of the events described there in SBhag. and other instructions of acaryas and sastras. The attitude described in this verse towards someone who commits godless acts is primarily applicable to the cases where such actions concern US PERSONALLY. In such a case a Vaisnava should apply the principle of “humbler than a blade of grass and more tolerate than a tree.” 

In the same chapter of the Bhagavatam, it is said that although the BULL HIMSELF (the personification of dharma, religion) did not point out who caused HIM suffering, ANOTHER PERSON acted differently: Maharaja Pariksit raised his sword to kill Kali for mutilating the bull and the cow.

SBhag., 1.17.28: “Mahārāja Parīkṣit, who could fight one thousand enemies single-handedly, thus pacified the personality of religion and the earth. Then he took up his sharp sword to kill the personality of Kali, who is the cause of all irreligion.” From Srila Prabhupada’s purport: “As described above, the personality of Kali is he who deliberately commits all kinds of sinful acts which are forbidden in the revealed scriptures. 

This age of Kali will certainly be full of all activities of Kali, but this does not mean that the leaders of society, the executive heads, the learned and intelligent men, or above all the devotees of the Lord should sit down tightly and become callous to the reactions of the age of Kali. In the rainy season certainly there will be profuse rainfalls, but that does not mean that men should not take means to protect themselves from the rains. 

It is the duty of the executive heads of state and others to take all necessary actions against the activities of Kali or the persons influenced by the age of Kali; and Mahārāja Parīkṣit is the ideal executive head of the state, for at once he was ready to kill the personality of Kali with his sharp sword.”

Unfortunately, this verse is not always quoted by those who appeal to SBhag., 1.17.22 and thus they make incomplete impression. See also important purport in this regard to the verse of Cc. Adi 10.85.

Off course, unnecessary criticizing should be avoided, and on the whole the movement and dealings among Prabhupadanugas should develop in positive spirit. There are many nuances in this topic, but the bottom line is that one should not give up fighting against offences and even against the offenders — when it is actually necessary. 

At the same time one should not feel hatred towards the souls, persons of those who commit sin. As Srila Prabhupada quoted from the Bible, one should hate sin, not the sinner. It is especially necessary to react when suffering is inflicted not on ourselves, but on others. Criticism is permissible and even inevitable for preaching. It’s wrong to equate absolutely any criticism with offences, blasphemy. An insult is an inadequate criticism. 

And the lack of adequate, constructive criticism can turn into “criminal failure to act”, which in fact will be offensive. In addition, inadequate, excessive glorification and worship is also offensive if the honors and praises do not correspond to the real situation of the one who is being improperly glorified.

It should also be noted that conspiracies are widespread in the material world. It was the conspirators themselves who introduced terms like “conspiracy theory”, although any adult understands that this world is full of not only theories, but also real conspiracy practices. If we look at VedaBase, we will see that Srila Prabhupada talked about conspiracies a number of times. E.g.:

Buddhists conspired against Lord Chaitanya (Cc. Madhya 9.52-63). The same maya, the same conspiracy as in the history of the Mahabharata after the death of King Pandu to seize his kingdom, occurred in Gaudiya Matha in 1937. It was “unlawful usurpation” of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati’s Society. Before that, there was a plot by sahajiyas to murder Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati by bribing the police. 

The conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada in 1970 in Los Angeles (the combined influence of deviant Godbrothers and some of Srila Prabhupada’s misguided disciples), the conspiracy of his Godbrothers in Mayapur to prevent Srila Prabhupada from obtaining land for the ISKCON temple in early 1970s, etc.
In conclusion: Prabhupadanuga devotees are trying to serve up a revolution, but more accurately, beneficial counter-revolution, with the aim to return ISKCON organization and/or movement back to Srila Prabhupada, since it was stolen as a result of the criminal takeover. So it’s not us who shouldn’t try this counter-revolution, it’s anti-ritviks who shouldn’t have staged their treacherous coup/revolution in the first place.

There was a similar goal at the battle of Kuruksetra: Lord Krishna returned government power (having previously tried to resolve the issue by means of peaceful negotiations with Kauravas, but they refused to correct the situation) to Pandavas, divine kings, by taking it away from the Kaurava conspirators who represented the dark side. 

The whole plot of the Bhagavad-gita is that Arjuna initially also refused to participate in this counter-revolution, the battle to return royal power to divine forces, but after receiving instructions from Lord Krishna, he realized that this battle was necessary and beneficial, and he told Krishna: kariṣye vacanaṁ tava – “I am prepared to act according to Your instructions.” (Bg. 18.73)

Therefore, everyone should support the counter-revolution against fake gurus of maya-ISKCON and their deviations, by becoming Prabhupadanugas. Claims by anti-ritvik apa-sampradaya that such a counter-revolution should not be effected, that everything is generally fine, that stubborn anti-ritviks/offenders of Srila Prabhupada, who flatly refuse to correct the crisis, should not be overthrown or rejected, that Srila Prabhupada should not be returned to the center of ISKCON — all this is just another their empty words, a trick or a terrible misunderstanding of the situation, and extremely offensive and destructive one. 

Of course, revolutions should not be organized for an insignificant reason, but in today’s maya-ISKCON, which is hijacked by demoniac forces, a revolution is actually needed.

By following Vaisnava etiquette, we have already tried to explain to maya-ISKCON leaders what’s the problem and asked them to correct the situation “from the top” by evolution. But they refuse, and by doing so they create a revolutionary situation themselves. 

A revolutionary situation is when the higher-ups cannot make adequate decisions, and the rank and file don’t want (and should not) obey inadequate decisions. So what’s the conclusion? That’s right: long live the great pro-Prabhupada/pro-ritvik counter-revolution! Down with the rebellious junta of false gurus and their deviations! All glories and all power to Srila Prabhupada and his instructions!

(by Alexander Stegantsev) 

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CIVILIANS ALWAYS TARGETTED

UKRAINE UPDATE

PADA: There are also people telling me, why are you not mentioning any current news? So I mention sometimes. 

*** You are biased, well wishing but most likely naive, because Russian kids are dying as well, and you repeat for innumerable number of times about Indian nurse etc!

But there is no verified evidence Ukraine was targeting civilians and children before the war? This was claimed repeatedly by Russia and was investigated:

"Russia has frequently claimed that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian speakers in Donbas. The UN, OSCE, and the International Court of Justice did not find any evidence supporting an intentional genocide claim before the 2022 invasion. The International Court of Justice noted Russia's genocide justification was unsubstantiated in proceedings related to the war.

The most accurate summary is: Yes, some limited numbers of civilians were being killed in eastern Ukraine before 2022. Yes, some civilian deaths occurred in areas hit by Ukrainian military fire, while others occurred due to separatist or Russian-backed forces, mines, and crossfire. 

No major international monitoring body concluded that Ukraine was systematically or intentionally killing civilians as a policy before the 2022 invasion. And no international body has found evidence of this subsequently, nor has Russia submitted conclusive evidence ever since. (AI analysis).

PADA: Right, Ukraine is not targeting apartments then, today and now either? So the Russians wanted to stamp out the Nazis. And the Russians thought my Hindu Nurse's apartment, full of women, pregnant women, old people, and children, babies, and cats, birds, dogs etc. was a massive hideout for the Nazis. So the whole thing should be blown to pieces, to kill everyone there. How do they know anyone or everyone there is a Nazi? Includes all the fish tanks, birds, cats, dogs also living there. Nope, everyone has to die.  

And even if some or all of them are Nazis, we cannot target the women, children, babies and civilians of the enemy. Then again my Hindu nurse does not know if any of her neighbors are Nazis? She says she never met ANY Nazis living over there? Where are all these Nazis? She could not find ANY of them, and she was living right there.   

Sorry, this civilian targeting [genocide] is what the actual Nazis do in WW II. They were sending V2 rockets to hit London -- and sometimes apartments were being hit. The difference is, the Nazis were sending rockets over there randomly and they did not have specific targets of apartments, while the Russians have well guided missiles and they intend to hit apartments full of people and kill the civilian residents. So in order to fight the genocidal WW II Nazis, we have to become another genocide 2026 Nazis, and behave like them? That makes no sense? The Nazis are genocidal psychopaths, and we are going to fix that, by becoming like them? 

But that is also what happens in ISKCON. We need to fix the guru problem, and Trivrikrama, Ravindra Swarupa and others -- became one of the gurus themselves. And then they behaved just as badly or more badly, and made me and Sulochana targets. We cannot fix a problem by being another version of the same problem? 

Lets face it, Russia targets civilians and civilian water, power, sewer etc. so they can freeze babies to death in the winter etc. My Hindu nurse friend says that, these Russians want to kill us, but before they kill us, they want to make us suffer badly, no water, starving or freezing us to death etc. first of all. So they want to torture people to death, including babies. Why are they any better than the WW II Nazis?

In any case, there is no certified evidence that Ukraine is even targeting civilians now today either? But we see Russians doing that all the time since this started. So the Russians are the newly created Nazis, killing civilians, and Ukraine is not. 

But here below we find that some mother has her kids in the baby seat driving on the bridge and the Russians are bombing the bridge. That means a dog knows a mother driving her kids on the bridge is not a threat, the new Nazis do not know. They also don't know if that woman is a Nazi or not, and they don't care that she is carrying babies or not, it is all about mass genocide of civilians, which includes women and children.  

Sending the V2s in 1943 was considered a war crime at that time, and it still is now. The new Nazis are doing exactly what the old Nazis were doing, to get rid of the Nazis = become one? 

But don't worry, most people don't give me any good counter points. The Russian devotees support all this? OK they are supporting blowing up the Nazis -- i.e. the women, children, babies, cows, dogs, and nurses. That means they do not understand that it is not our position to kill ... a spider. 

They have not understood the siddhanta of the religion. As for me not knowing history, I know who targets civilians from history, and I know who is now. Recently Russia lost 2,000 men in a day, as some Russian women said on a video, Putin is making us women a nation of crying mothers, wives and children. 

Yup. He does not care about his own people suffering, never mind others. But yeah, I am a representative of my nurse friend. She has no voice in this, so I represent her case and no one can defeat her with any sensible counter. 

They wanted to slice her, and hundreds of thousands of others, into pieces, and -- that is wrong, period. I know this is Kali Yuga and we should expect such things, and that is true. But we should not allow Kali Yuga deviants to mistreat others, including ISKCON people, without protesting. Killing non-combatants is very sinful, that is the Vedic maxim and even karmi war rules.  

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Danavir Health / False Renunciates / Nepal etc. / Pandemic 10 02 26

PADA: Danavir looks like he is struggling very hard with health issues. I am not saying it is a happy thing to see that, but it does look like many of our "guru" God brothers -- those who took the post of sin absorbing diksha gurus -- have had all sorts of problems, from health issues, fall downs, to premature departures. Jayapataka, Jayadvaita, Satsvarupa and others look pretty worn out, wiped out, and suffering in many different ways. Danavir is another victim.  

Some of them -- like Vipramukhya -- said he was taking too much karma -- and he ended up claiming to be an atheist. So they also suffered mental and spiritual deteriorating. Danavir was at one time married, and some say he had no capability of dealing with women so their marriage broke down. So yeah, they are getting reaction for promoting their homosexual and pedophile guru process. And some gay guy told me, a lot of these ISKCON sannyasas do not like women, because they are gay and they see us women as competition. 

They are misogynists. Anyway it looks like Krishna is cleaning house on their guru program one at a time. They are getting sick, falling down, flipping out, fading out and overall being irrelevant. One of the PADA readers who saw this video said, it is scary what they are all starting to look and sound like. They thought they could be another Jesus and absorb karma, but clearly, they cannot. Its looking like they are already experiencing their future hellish life. Well I could not argue that. ys pd 

False renunciants

Christian Jansen (Bhakti gauravani Swami) has two floors in Mayapur, one in Gita Bhavan and another in Gada Bhavan, which cost $10,000 each. One of them is in the name of his daughter and the other is in the name of Gada Bhavan.
He also owns a house in Jalón, the first one he bought with "a legacy" from Rasamrta's parents. A confirmed lie.

During his presidency, he built a floor in Nueva Vrajamandala in the wing of the president's office, which also belongs to him. Currently, he has granted land and houses to his political family, taking advantage of the fact that he is the trustee of the properties.

His ex-wife, Rasamrta, lives in Málaga in a temple house, without paying anything and enjoying a lifestyle of the rich. Recently, she underwent expensive therapy at an Ayurveda clinic abroad, which her ex, Jansen, recommended. They go to spas with their sister, beach, etc.

Jansen is traveling to areas like Hungary and Romania, because they are like us in the time of Bhagavan, making the same mistakes that were made here and accepting gurus and sannyasis as if they were God.

From here, we will do what is necessary so that innocent devotees are not deceived and know his past as a thief of funds, a cover-up of Kesava Bharati's misdeeds and a dangerous fanatic, and his present as a trafficker of influences.
Devotees close to him in the administration at that time remember that Rasamrta was also "stolen" money from the baby stroller when she was entering on several occasions. They are thieves and those who associate with them will not advance in spiritual life.

Srila Prabhupada emphasized a simple and spiritual life, centered on devotion to Krishna and the practice of bhakti. A lifestyle focused on luxury and materialism is totally in disagreement with his teachings, which advocate for detachment from material possessions and the simplification of life. What to say about stealing.

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NEPAL MESS +

KEEPING LOKANATH AND KESHAVA BHARATI AS GURUS

LM Dasi: How I wish Srila Prabhupada was here. What a mess everyone is making, it breaks my heart.

MM: Little Hope left with these iskcon leaders who are like politicians dressed as devotees.

KL: We had an experience in India that led us to a difficult conclusion. The investigative process that follows up on the abuse is often more traumatizing for children and parents than the abuse itself. Sadly, based on what we went through, we felt it was safer to avoid putting our child through that system.

It may be better to handle such situations more privately, whether that means seeking psychotherapy or, where possible, addressing the issue locally without formal legal involvement.

If there were a way for a parent to go through the legal process without involving the child, I would consider it, in the hope of contributing to change. But as things stand, I could not risk exposing my child to what felt like an unprofessional, corrupt and deeply flawed system.

I went to the process as far as possible without involving the child, then when I learned from the police of the procedure (which CPO couldn't tell us) we withdrew the complaint. That choice came with its own challenges, including severe intimidation from the police, but it ultimately protected our child from further harm.

Inform yourself thoroughly of the procedure before taking steps. Of you don't have the finances or support, use chat GTP to get some basic information yourself. The police uses many unlawful tactics to intimidate you such as filming and letting you sign statements to corner you, trying to coerce people and get bribes from parties involved in the matter. Don't fall for it. Get yourself informed and make the right decisions before proceeding.

LM Dasi: I understand we should protect our own, I also understand that you didn't want to put your child through any more trauma but my worry with situations like you describe is that the offender is free to do it to other children because he wasn't brought to justice. In my experience when children grow to be adults who remember or learn the abuser wasn't brought to justice they will still want justice and they may contact the authorities themselves and will not understand why they didn't get it.

I don't write with criticism or judgement of your decision.

KL: Yes, I understand your concern. That’s exactly why we reported the case in the first place. But as it unfolded, it became clear that the cons would far outweigh any possible benefits. At some point, it just didn’t feel worth continuing.

When the process starts to feel like a noose tightening around your neck, slowly strangling you the further you go, you pull back. You withdraw.

And I think that’s one of the main reasons many victims rarely come forward. There’s no real sense of trust. No safety. Just the risk of more harm layered on top of what’s already been done.

It’s a dark pit.

LM: It's so awful. I'm sorry your family had to go through that and especially your little one. Justice will come one way or another.

SW: This is a good resource- same principles.… Moral Failings in the Pulpit Lead to Moral Injury in the Pews - Christianity Today CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM

TK: It has become glaringly obvious that ISKCON’s Child Protection has been infiltrated by demonic pedophilia. It can no longer be viewed as poor management. There’s no way pious souls would allow such nastiness to ruin our children. It’s sickening.

TW: I'm confused. The Kanai Sundar letter you're reacting to says that the CPOC team were doing a good job. Then, though, they were held and harassed by a temple management team. Kanai Sundar enabled their rescue, and he got an agreement that his involvement would be kept confidential.

His complaint wasn't about the quality of the investigation or capability of the investigators, rather that his name was leaked. He wanted assurances of protection, plus consequences for those who ambushed the CPOC investigators.

Your response begins wonderfully, covering the critical moral and practical importance of child protection. Then, though, it is simply critical of the CPO offices and their investigators. Not for the leak, but for their motives and competence, which you forcefully disparage. (Perhaps you have other information as basis, but nothing in Kanai Sundar's letter supports your charges.) And your letter doesn't even mention the criminal acts of the temple leadership against the CPO representatives.

Did I miss something, some other information? I've read both letters several times. - Thank you.

VP Devi Dasi: Child abuse has been present at Iskcon Nepal for 45 years and way before even the gurukula issue now. It has never been properly dealt with by either the local or the International CPO. When are the children going to be protected.

JB: Parents, stop sending kids away from you into the hands of unknown people! Vedic gurukula system can work if pedophiles don’t work there. Time and again, if the parents don’t learn then they’re the only ones to be blamed for their childrens’ abuse!!! These so called tilak dhoti walas are hidden rapists, maybe not all, but you only need one to ruin a generation.

SG: I don't know the circumstances of this case, but there's a lot of poverty in Nepal and it's quite possible that the parents see the gurukula as the only chance for their child to escape poverty and to get an education.

JB: Agreed. Exception should not be the rule. By law, no matter what the situation, abuse of children is a punishable offense and should be brought to the attention of the authorities and perpetrators need to go to jail.

MR: Well said. These very special God given children were put into the hands of trusted teachers. Most were honorable men and women devotees. However, when the demons want to kill God where do they start? By killing the Goddess! The heart of the Goddess is love so kill her first. By taking children from their mother the love lies dormant and never flourishes. Without the love of a woman( mother) compassion never develops. 

Destroying love (Bhakti) disables the boy and he never becomes a man. These are techniques used to beainwash and manipulate the children. Tactics used by the demon class to kill God. Krsna will kill the demons, as we are seeing one by one. Our job is to hold tight to the lotus feet of the pure devotee (and recognize him/her) in every lifetime.

Prabupada never imagined the proliferation of pedofiles in the West, or the sickness of its leaders. Some shine a light on Iskcon, but as we have seen recently in the news it is rampart in our society. (The Epstein Class)

I pray for all the children affected and I pray it will not turn them from God. I pray for ISKCON. We are all part of God/Goddess and it is our only refuse. I hope the children obtain peace. The demons will never have it, I pray.

PD: Most cases are never known or reported anywhere. I know victims who tell me it is futile to advertise their complaints, especially now, because the same leaders who orchestrated the mistreatment process -- and covered it up all along -- are still in charge. If the victims complain now, they might very well be seen as radical fault finders and trouble makers. 

And the leaders will simply continue on like nothing happened. I know one victim who says reporting will stop them from being able to go to the temple and they will be shunned and exiled out, so they have to suffer in silence. They feel they have to remain silent because there is no support system for the victims, while the leaders enjoy all the support, including massive legal support. Which is why -- it is no surprise to them -- the CPO is more managed by legal and lawyers. 

Nevermind one person's predator is still a highly respected senior devotee in ISKCON who gives classes etc. The few cases that do get reported seem to end up without much proper resolution, and sometimes pressure on the victims, which is another reason victims feel little inspiration to take action. In sum, I think the few cases that are reported are more like the tippy top of the iceberg. ys pd

CEB: Yes.

LD: The Gurukul system was reintroduced under the divine guidance of the Shyaktavesh Avatar of Krishna, sent to liberate the world, Prabhupad!

SD: Sun Tzu said “No one profits from a protracted war.” Our shouting for change in the system has been eaten up by the void. In the end all I can ask “Who will rid me of these troublesome priests” Finish and klaar!

DD: Thank you, and also Kanai Sundara Prabhu. This is indeed very worrying. Unfortunately not a surprise. The problematic mindsets and conduct of CPO Bharat and CPOC have been evident for some time. Until checked, their "violent approach" will only intensify. Bad news for the movement's children everywhere.

It's clear that the CPOC, the GBC and CPO Bharat are not willing to take any principled direction. Divine intervention may be what it will take - most likely something quite catastrophic. That's how deeply unintelligent these people are. Only repeated argumentum ad baculum - more than our strong words, direct and fierce punishment by Maya devi - will bring these fools to their senses. May that day come soon.

MV: Shame!

MJ: An unrelated topic but bear with me. An old devotee friend posted that one of the four pillars of devotional service is not associating with non devotees. I was a bit shocked because it's years that I've thought like that. I made the point that I have some very fine and staunch non devotee friends. I have lived in this district for 50 years .

Another devotee mentioned that she gives her association to non devotees but doesn't take theirs. I retorted with a quip about my being a "born again karmi", but deleted it. Not wanting to be my cantankerous self.

But it blew my mind that someone could think like that. Does that apply to your non devotee family? What if your kids leave the movement?

I think this is the introverted cancer that infects the movement, believing oneself to be superior because of religion. There are absolutely no checks and balances on an individual level.

SC: Who is responsible for the CPO offices and the constant budget cuts, and staff turnover?

DD: Are these things "blunders"? Or are they executing flawlessly in line with their intentions?

GP: Obviously you know the answer, which at this point considering the 50 years of evidence, we must conclude, something is corrupt. 

DD: I wouldn't go as far as to say that the driving intention is to abuse. This simply smacks of insecure despots seeking to stamp their authority and power on others

P Devi Dasi: The only Gurukula's worth going to are Day Schools where the children still live with their parents.

AB: It’s just Heinous to read this but unsurprising! Professionaly trained (in child protection) devotees were ridiculously ’outed’ from their positions for a ‘new’ CPOC team.

It has ever since seemed like a Cartel is in charge. SHAME on the GBC for allowing power and ‘mates’ to come before Srila Prabhupada’s mission!

Step up! Speak up! You have lost so many of the children that could be continuing the mission, that one man on his own started with such pureness!

Shame on you!!

SH: There is a disturbing truth behind these type of people that you have yet to face . And this world is full of them regardless of weather in krsna society or knot firstly . The parent are full responsible for there children. Know one else . So there for its there neglect that has brought this about so what . Blindly trusting is a sign of insincerity. There for one must correct this thinking . ..secondly these people are infected with paristes that control the brain and emotions. 

They and there victim. Need to cleanse there bodies . From them . Modern schooling is left brain so the rigth brain doesn't develop. There by leaveing these people disabled . By which they no longer have emotions. There by no moral integrity. Or compassion . There all so played by lower etheric being . Which coach them to enjoy in this sinfully way . The parsites need new bodies to inhabit. So thses no human people are compared to act in this manner . Brain parsties can control the brain and emotions. Go figger do the science . Blindly following is not krsna conshioness. Putting on the clothes . Going through the momenion isn't awareness . .what do you realy think is being conshion. ????

DR: A regular karmi in robes probably not even being trained enough to teach and live the 4 regulative principles and chanting the holy names.

TC: How can these things be? I despair to see the institution, that my spiritual master sweat blood to create, stoop to subterfuge to protect the hierarchy from the ramifications of the TRUTH getting out.

As the saying goes: “The truth shall set you free!” Dharma stands on that one leg only. Do not sacrifice it, for the sake of protecting your own provincial interests, my brothers. Let the truth be known, and the purity which is the force behind true spiritual life, will emerge.

Otherwise, this institution is bound to lose all credibility in the public eye: exactly the opposite of what Srila Prabhupada hoped for. Protect your bhakti creeper, and let the truth out. It is the only way.

God help us all.

AB: We have been speaking out for 50 years as vaikuntha children with no respect or compassion from so called Vaishnavas thank goodness for people like DD and SR who have a bigger audience and refuse to give up on us!

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THE PANDEMIC -- AGAIN!

Jaya prabhu. OK I should have told people not to take the vaccine, and then lose their jobs. And have no money. And then what is the plan? You keep forgetting to tell me what you are going to do with all these devotees who will have no job. When you tell me the exact plan for those people, I can tell everyone.

And I also know all sorts of people who took the vaccine, to keep their job, and they are doing fine. That includes my four young hospital worker neighbors. They had to take the vaccine to keep their job. I should have told them there is no need to keep your job? And then what? You keep missing to answer these points over and over. 

I also cannot tell them they are going to die soon from vaccine poison, when I have no way to prove that will happen, and it will create a panic for them, for no good reason?  "You took poison and will die soon," is not going to help them one iota. They might die from stress of thinking they will die? 

What good does that do? I cannot tell people they were poisoned and are going to die, because that fixes nothing. It is not my job to cause people to fear death when I cannot prove they are going to die soon? A Vaishnava does not cause people to experience distress, especially for no good reason. Everything people are consuming in Kali Yuga is harming them, the whole situation is contaminated. 

You never tell me why it is my job to create fear of death in people, who may or may not be dying? I know many people who took the vaccine and they are all fine and healthy, they are not dying. I cannot prove they will die soon, and even if they are going to die soon, what good does it do to tell them and make them fearful?  

You guys telling my lady friend she was suffering from a hoax almost killed her, thus you guys are not helping them with that idea either. That idea was nearly fatal. Spreading false propaganda that there was only a hoax, but she is DYING! She thought it was a hoax. This is NOT a hoax. It is a REAL PROBLEM and we really had to take REAL action on it.

It is simply not my job to tell people they have been genocide poisoned and will die soon, when that will cause them to be stressed out, when I have no proof they will die soon? How would I know that? You also do not know if they will die soon or not? 

Yes, the vaccine has had ill effect on some people, and no ill effect on others. I cannot say it will always be bad when I do not know? I know people who have had bad effect, and also many others with no ill effect, how do I know who will suffer what effect? I am not a seer of the future. The people who kept their jobs had to do that in my opinion, they would have suffered many other problems from losing their work. I need concrete counter proposals -- what else should have been done under those conditions? You guys never had any all along.

As for Ukraine, they are doing a good job. The Russian leaders are trying to kill Hindu nurses in apartments with bombs, because they think that Hindu nurse is a danger to them. 

A common street dog does not think that Hindu nurse is a danger and peril to that dog. That means the dog knows who is a threat, who is not, and the Russian leaders do not know. The Russian leaders are terrified that a Hindu nurse is going to blow them up at any moment, because they are severely paranoid deluded. She is harmless, and they have no clue that is the fact. 

Or worse, Srila Prabhupada says a snake will bite for no reason, and kill, because it is ENVIOUS of others. There is no need to blow up large hi-rise apartments full of nurses, women, children, babies etc. when they are not a threat. A dog knows that, they do not. Of course Russia leaders also blow up cow barns full of cows, because they are envious of other living beings, they want to eliminate innocent creatures for sport. Srila Prabhupada says, that is due to envy.

My Hindu nurse friend would help a Russian hospital patient or any other patients. She is not a racist. To bomb a Hindu nurse whose whole life purpose is to save people is mass slaughtering non-combatant people like animals. I do not approve of mass animal slaughtering non-combatant humans, including babies, old people, mothers and children.

That is what she saw at her blown up apartment, dead babies, dead mothers, children screaming while missing hands and legs, people blinded, old crippled people in wheelchairs crying and bleeding to death etc. A old person in a wheelchair is not a threat to anyone, a dog knows that.  

I do not endorse such behavior, and never will. My nurse lady friend had to struggle to get to Poland, and the only reason she is alive is, she was in a heavy old metal / porcelin bathtub taking a bath and that saved her from being sliced into pieces from sharp projectiles from Russian missiles. They wanted to slice her to pieces, and maybe have a slow and painful death.  

That is not the way to treat other people. And if she would be hurt badly, suffering or dead, no one is Russia would care an ounce, because she deserves to suffer and die because she is a violent threat who wants to destroy the Russians. That is clearly envy of others, the victims all deserve to die, because we are the superior race over them, so they must die. An old woman in a wheelchair is a threat, so kill that woman. That is called envy.

We can kill all of them wholesale, they are the inferior species. Sorry! No, we cannot kill an ant, inferior or not inferior. My nurse friend would have just been another pile of rotting rubbish in the bombed garbage they scooped up with bull dozers, which is what happened to her building later. Scooped it all up and dumped it away. Clearly, they think other people are garbage to be destroyed, and killed, and dumped in a trash pile. They are the master superior race. We are the trash race.   

But now Russians are fighting like cats and dogs over gas lines in Russia, so they are starting to get their own karma back. They wanted to make women, babies and children suffer, and now they are suffering. And they are talking now about Russia making mass invitreo insemination so women who have no man can get pregnant, that means they are killing their own men wholesale. 

The woman will have a baby, and there will be no father. That sounds like a horror movie. The Russians are sending their men into a meat grinder, 1,800 dead per day, of course that is going to leave millions of crying mothers, wives and children with NO FATHER. No wonder they want to use artificial impregnating to change that, but there will still be NO FATHER. 

This is a sci-fi horror movie, the women will have no men, so we need artificial science fertilizing process and a FATHERLESS society. This is demoniac. A father is required to defend the women, children and family. Fatherless society is sci-fi horror show. This is a giant psy-ops unfolding in front of our own eyes.

I am always willing to make changes or corrections to my previous comments, and when you give me good answers to these points, I will post them. You never answer my points in all this time with any new points, so there is nothing new for me to post. 

You need to go through my posts line for line and show me a counter point, and we can take it from there. And if you think me saving people from the so-called hoax, and objecting to blowing up nurses and babies is "ranting," you might need to start to work on yourself and look at your own compassion rating. 

A lot of devotees sat back and did nothing as others suffered, including children, because they thought they are the advanced superior devotees of God, doing God's important work. People deserve to be crushed under our boots, we are the superior beings. Russian leaders have the same mental illness. And that is why I sometimes post writings of atheists who claim (mis) religion is the best argument to be an atheist, and unfortunately, it is.    

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