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ISKCON MALAYSIA CORRUPTION 

DKS: While I was used to being in ISKCON management, I received many criticisms for being strong in exposing wrongdoing of the leaders in Malaysia. One temple president was removed and banned for close contact with an underage kid. 

One senior brahmachari was exposed for watching porno in the ashram. One national secretary was removed for abuse of funds. One national asst secretary removed for supporting the child abusing temple president. 

When I complained to my guru who is also a GBC on this matter, no action was taken, and further he asked me to just follow the national secretary. I'm furious and went public to complain -- plus I rejected my diksha guru for not following the guru, sadhu and sastra. 

I sent a strong message to the GBC and ISKCON management before resigned from management after all this experience. Many devotees out there did not indulge in the deep study of sastra and simply followed the hypes of these GBC gurus. This must be stopped. Sastra caksusa are the key for exposing the real guru.

MK: I think you're being much too generous in suggesting this. Time has proven the facts: they either just don't care, or are compelled to cover up for the perpetrators for their own benefit. 

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From: Yadubara Das <yadubara.das@gmail.com>

To: M.R. 

Subject: your unsolicited emails

Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

I have known the two named devotees for 50 years and do not question their sincere service to Srila Prabhupada. Taking sides in a dispute between two Vaishnavas has severe spiritual consequences as stated in the Caitanya Caritamrita and the Caitanya Bhagavat. I have personally witnessed the unfortunate result numerous times over the last 50 years.

Generally, Vaishnavas shun all controversies and focus on their own spiritual progress—unless they are invited by senior Vaishnavas to discuss controversial issues in an intelligent and respectful manner. Don't make the grave mistake of continuing your propaganda. If you do, you and those with your opinion are only inviting their spiritual demise.

Your servant,
Yadubara das
www.harekrishnathefilm.com

PADA: Yep, for many years these Yadubara GBC guys have been promoting their homosexual and pedophile messiah's project, which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas left, right and center. 

Why are they doing that? Evidently! So they can purge and cleanse the ISKCON properties of those nasty Srila Prabhupada devotees -- and make a Hindu cultural hall out of Srila Prabhupada's buildings. OK like they have made at Bhaktivedanta Manor. And then get into the UK ISKCON salaried leaders project. 

As the FBI say says, if you want to know how a crime took place, follow the money. Yadubara was one of the people giving me stink eye when we were having his molester messiah's program sued for $400,000,000. He never asked me about the situation with the children, but they knew I was collating testimony for the court case. 

OK they didn't care. 

Generally devotees focus on their own spiritual progress, and have their society's children worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as their messiahs? While the children report being in Auschwitz for kids? No, generally most moral and religion minded people try to protect their society's children from worshiping deviants as their messiahs. 

Yeah concentrate on your own spiritual life, so we can have all of the Prabhupada devotees banned, beat, molested, sued and killed, and we can become the new leaders of our Hindu-ized church, which is a Hindu business. ys pd

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DELHI COURT CASE

M Dasi: Let me briefly explain who "they" are. The "they" who have taken this matter to the Supreme Court of India now, are some of the same people who were made aware of the child abuse issues in 1994, at an NA GBC meeting here in Alachua. 

Immediately thereafter, the Children of Krsna organization was started (Krsna Avatar aka Keith Domingo was the first director and you know Jahnavi was also on the Board), to attempt to address some of the cases. The ISKCON Foundation (CEO, Naveen Krishna das) provided seed money to start this group as well as (with some others), funding for providing financial and emotional support for the victims.

The Office of Child Protection was then "officially" created with Dhira Govinda Prabhu, (David Wolf) as its first director; he filled that position for many years. He can write (and I think he has in the past) about the shocking number and horrendous nature of the cases of child abuse that he attempted to deal with in his time as the director. Ultimately he left that position due to frustration in trying to deal with these matters "internally", within ISKCON. 

Since his resignation, of course, other directors filled those duties, until the GBC recently disbanded the CPO as it was, and "taken over the reins in the way that they'd like to see it operate"!

Most recently, the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation was created, less than 2 years ago, with my husband, Naveen Krishna das, as the CEO and Dhira Govinda Prabhu as one of the Founding Directors. The initial purpose of this Foundation was to thoroughly and professionally investigate the suspicions that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by some of his "leading men". 

Relationships were made with some very well-reputed personalities in India, including lawyers, suspecting the unfortunate possibility of having to litigate on this issue.

The issue of child abuse became a concern once again, fueled by the fire of more recent allegations and revelations of NEGLECT on the part of ISKCON management (eg. BVP "swami"). And, once again, understanding the vast nature of the abuse that went on "under his care", as well as in Vrndavana, our ire was raised; personally knowing some of those persons who were on the receiving end of some of that abuse, also gave us personal purpose.

The rest is, perhaps, "Krsna's arrangement". Our lawyers were already retained; victims were ready to speak, and "Commisions of Child Rights" had been set up by the national and local government in 2012, to deal with these issues there. Since the GBC seemed to be unresponsive, neglectful or perhaps even complicit in some of these affairs, our ire was once again raised!

As the complaint said, our lawyers had submitted complaints to the local COP's, but had not received any response. That's when they went to the Supreme Court. The SC has now mandated that these lower bodies address the complaints appropriately, so that is a "victory" in that sense.

I don't know why you're assuming that there is some "political motivation behind this". And ISKCON has "made itself look bad" by the abusive actions and its neglect of the victims, and cover-ups of the crimes; that the public will now understand the extent of the problem is a good thing! We're supposed to be a "saintly organization"; people need to know the truth so we can actually step up to that designation.

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HARE KRISHNA PROJECT UPDATE

“Speaking out against the sexual abuse of women in ISKCON”

PODCAST: Episode 196 – Sunday 30th November 2025
WATCH ON:

- Facebook at www.facebook.com/TheHareKrishnaProject

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We’re pleased to welcome Elizabeth Heather Mark (Sri Rupa Manjari dasi) as our guest on this week’s podcast.

Born in Los Angeles, California, to Jewish parents who were followers of Transcendental Meditation (TM) she grew up in the Church of Christ, Scientist – a Christian sect founded by Mary Baker Eddy in the 19th century.

A spiritual seeker and enthusiast for ‘finding the truth’ she later joined the Hare Krishna movement in her early 20’s whilst at university.

Her experiences have been mixed though. Whist falling in love with bhakti yoga she was subject to years of abuse and torture at the hands of her husband – Nara Narayan das (a senior Hare Krishna leader in the USA).

In her first sit-down interview, Elizabeth talks with Narada Prabhu about:

- Her abusive marriage
- Her thoughts on the role and status of women in ISKCON
- The extent of the abuse of women, still going on today, in ISKCON
- What ISKCON needs to do to create a ‘safe space’ for women

We also talk briefly about her new project ‘Sri Laksmi’ – which seeks to provide women with ethically sourced and high-end clothing. For more details visit 

www.srilaksmi.com

This week’s podcast is not to be missed!

For more details about The Hare Krishna Project check out our website www.theharekrishnaproject.org.uk
#Podcast #TheHareKrishnaProject #BhaktiYoga #ISKCON #SexualAbuse #Women #WomensRights #WomenMatter #SpeakingOut #Abuse #NoLongerSilenced

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SRI KANTA (Walford) 

OK Sri Kanta is against us worshiping what he claims is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem person named Srila Prabhupada. They always say the same thing, no one should ever worship the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem -- dead person. The ritviks are like the bogus Christians! OK who else should we worship then? They never tell us, just do not worship Srila Prabhupada, the post mortem guru. We cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, who else should be worshiped then? Nobody knows!    

Those people are upset we told our kids, and many others, to worship Srila Prabhupada, which saved them from getting a living fool to worship. My kids thank me all the time we did that, because they know many other Krishna kids friends who suffered badly when they did not get Srila Prabhupada as their guru. Suffered -- both materially and spiritually. 

Where does Srila Prabhupada say he should be the guru ongoing? Which is like asking the Sun planet -- why is it not writing us to let us know it is the source of sunshine. If we do not know where the sunshine comes from, that is our problem. 

But the people who we get to worship Prabhupada are very happy we did that, and that is why we are getting 5,000 -- 15,000 hits per day on our sites with many nice questions. But yeah, they always thought Srila Prabhupada was post mortem, and now ISKCON is post mortem thanks to these thinkers. 

Sorry, my kids and others do not need a letter from the Sun planet to know where the sunshine comes from. Srila Prabhupada told us Jesus is still taking sins from his sincere worshipers now even though 2,000 years has passed, these guys could not take sins from a flea. They have no potency and that is self evident. 

The people who worship Prabhupada are also the only people printing the original books and making more Prabhupada devotees now etc., these critic people have no guru to even offer new people, so they cannot do anything of substance, and they never will. God and guru are post mortem, Srila Prabhupada told us all about these folks, we know in advance what is their agenda. 

Yeah Sri Kanta says he is for original books, but he is against the people making original books. OK he is not really in favor of making anything, he wants to stop any progress. And his type preaching has stopped things. And he is proud he made ISKCON into a post mortem mess.   

ys pd

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HARINAMA DISAPPEARING?

PADA: No one can hardly find any Hare Krishnas doing Harinama anymore. Berkeley used to have 120 people chanting on telegraph every week, with many mothers pushing their baby strollers etc., now we might find three or four folks straggling along, if we are lucky. The GBC got rid of almost all the Harinama devotees as their first rattle out of the box in 1978. Unfortunately, "clubbing" is the new main venue for chanting these days. My friend went to a temple for the Sunday program, and none of the Hindus there knew the prayers or how to play the instruments etc. It was a wipeout, but the GBC holds the keys to the collection box, that is all they ever wanted. ys pd

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JIVA INSTITUTE UPDATE

PADA: Thanks Jaya@jiva.org for your attention (again). Is anyone even awake over there? I sent you folks several messages and you keep recycling back your original message, which I addressed several times.

The updated versions agree that Satya Vani cannot be identified clearly, except he preaches the same basic Babaji stuff and it is odd that he is using the Satya name, but this does not prove anything, true. I have made some clarifications here:

krishna1008: Radha Kunda Babajis and Siddha Pranali 11 28 25

Meanwhile you forgot to address other questions -- for example if the Jiva program is acting as shiksha guru for Narayan Maharaja's leader Premprayojana, when we all know NM was in Texas boosting Tamal when I was in Texas suing Tamal. 

If you want me to clarify things, I will try to help, but you also need to assist. You are still recycling old news about the previous version of the post which has now been corrected and updated. If you are not paying any attention to our conversation, we cannot make any progress. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

 

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IRAN WATER CRISIS

PADA: Yep, a former Iranian now in the USA says in school they had to chant "Death to the USA" and "Death to Israel" every day. Meanwhile they are running out of water, being pre-occupied with the USA and Israel and spending billions and billions arming their opponents, which means, death to themselves. 

They are having a water crisis -- while they have spent hundreds of billions fighting the so-called enemy of the people, when their own government is the main enemy of their own people and they made no concrete provisions for water supplies for -- their own citizens. Yes, this former citizen says, the Iran government is failing for the citizens.   

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TLC 12

TLC 12 SRILA PRABHUPADA: "There is no essential difference between a fully surrendered soul and a person in the renounced order of life. The only difference is that a fully surrendered soul is completely dependent upon Kṛṣṇa. There are six basic guidelines for surrender. The first is that one should accept everything that is favorable for the discharge of devotional service, and one should be determined to accept the process. 

The second is that one should give up everything that is unfavorable to the discharge of devotional service, and one should be determined to give it all up. Thirdly, one should be convinced that only Kṛṣṇa can protect him and should have full faith that the Lord will give that protection. 

An impersonalist thinks that his actual identity is in being one with Kṛṣṇa, but a devotee does not destroy his identity in this way. He lives with full faith that Kṛṣṇa will kindly protect him in all respects. Fourthly, a devotee should always accept Kṛṣṇa as his maintainer. Those who are interested in the fruits of activities generally expect protection from the demigods, but a devotee of Kṛṣṇa does not look to any demigod for protection. 

He is fully convinced that Kṛṣṇa will protect him from all unfavorable circumstances. Fifth, a devotee is always conscious that his desires are not independent; unless Kṛṣṇa fulfills them, they cannot be fulfilled. Lastly, one should always think of himself as the most fallen among souls so that Kṛṣṇa will take care of him.

Such a surrendered soul should take shelter of a holy place like Vṛndāvana, Mathurā, Dvārakā, Māyāpur, etc., and should surrender himself unto the Lord, saying, "My Lord, from today I am Yours. You can protect me or kill me as You like." A pure devotee takes shelter of Kṛṣṇa in such a way, and Kṛṣṇa is so grateful that He accepts him and gives him all kinds of protection. 

This is confirmed in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.29.34) where it is said that if a person who is about to die takes full shelter of the Supreme Lord and places himself fully under His care, he actually attains immortality and becomes eligible to associate with the Supreme Lord and enjoy transcendental bliss.

The Lord then explained to Sanātana Gosvāmī the various types and symptoms of practical devotional service. When devotional service is performed with our present senses, it is called practical devotional service. Actually devotional service is the eternal life of the living entity and is lying dormant in everyone's heart. 

The practice which invokes that dormant devotional service is called practical devotional service. The purport is that the living entity is constitutionally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord; the Lord can be compared to the sun, and the living entities can be compared to molecules of sunshine. Under the spell of illusory energy, the spiritual spark is almost extinguished, but by practical devotional service one can revive his natural constitutional position. 

When one practices devotional service, it should be understood that he is returning to his original and normal liberated position. Devotional service can be practiced with one's senses under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master.

One begins spiritual activities for advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness by hearing. Hearing is the most important method for advancement, and one should be very eager to hear favorably about Kṛṣṇa. 

Giving up all speculation and fruitive activity, one should simply worship and desire to attain to love of God. That love of God is eternally existing within everyone; it simply has to be evoked by the process of hearing. Hearing and chanting are the principal methods of devotional service.

Devotional service may be regulative or affectionate. One who has not developed transcendental affection for Kṛṣṇa should conduct his life according to the directions and regulations of the scriptures and the spiritual master. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (2.1.5) Śukadeva Gosvāmī advises Mahārāja Parīkṣit:

tasmād bhārata sarvātmā

bhagavān īśvaro hariḥ

śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś ca

smartavyaś cecchatābhayam

"O best of the Bhāratas, it is the prime duty of persons who want to become fearless to hear about the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Hari, and to chant about Him and always remember Him. Lord Viṣṇu is always to be remembered; indeed, He is not to be forgotten for even a moment. He is the sum and substance of all regulative principles." 

The conclusion is that when all the rules, regulations, recommended and prohibited activities revealed in scriptures are taken together, the remembrance of the Supreme Lord is invariably the essence of everything. Remembrance of the Supreme Personality of Godhead within one's heart is the goal of devotional service. When devotional service is performed purely and affectionately, there is no question of regulative principles. There are no do's and don't's.

However, one should generally accept the following principles to properly execute devotional service: (1) take shelter of a bona fide spiritual master, (2) receive initiation from the spiritual master, (3) serve the spiritual master, (4) inquire and learn love from the spiritual master, (5) follow in the footsteps of holy persons devoted to the transcendental loving service of the Lord, (6) prepare to give up all kinds of enjoyment and miseries for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa, (7) live in a place where Kṛṣṇa had His pastimes, (8) be satisfied by whatever is sent by Kṛṣṇa for the maintenance of the body and hanker for no more, (9) observe fasting on Ekādaśī day (this occurs on the eleventh day after the full moon and the eleventh day after the new moon. 

On such days no grains, cereals or beans are eaten; simply vegetables and milk are moderately taken, and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and reading scriptures are increased.), (10) show respect to devotees, cows and sacred trees like the banyan tree.

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DHAMAGHOSHA DASA: Some Conclusions - So for some these words by Prabhupada may seem like a list of do's and donts but as he says above, until we come to the stage of actual affection for God-Krsna these things are mandatory for the practicing devotee. And if we want to get to that stage (which is already within us)  then we cannot just chant mechanically, it has to be done with feeling or love or devotion, whatever you want to call it.

So the next question would be how do we get that stage of  feeling or affection just by  following rules or regulations?

Jan 11 1974 LA conversations

Candanācārya: Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Candanācārya: Also this morning you said that we should try to only love Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Candanācārya: And nothing else.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Candanācārya: But if we love our godbrothers, is that also loving Kṛṣṇa?

Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Because they are of, of Kṛṣṇa. What are your godbrothers? They are Kṛṣṇa's servant. So if you do not love your godbrothers, that means you reject your part of Kṛṣṇa.

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June 23 1976 New Vrndavana

Devotee (4): The difficulty is that we cannot understand, we cannot feel what pleases Kṛṣṇa now, yet we can feel what pleases us, and that is the difficulty?

Prabhupāda: You have no feeling, that everyone knows. Therefore you have to carry out the order of spiritual master, that's all.

Devotee (1) : If we try to please Kṛṣṇa with all of our service and activities, that automatically brings pleasure to the self?

Prabhupāda: You cannot please Kṛṣṇa directly. You please your spiritual master, Kṛṣṇa will be pleased. If you want to please directly Kṛṣṇa, that is not possible. That is concoction You cannot please. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **. You have to please your spiritual master, then Kṛṣṇa will be pleased. Don't jump. Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete koriyā aikya **. What is that song you daily sing? What is that?

Pradyumna: By the words of the spiritual master our mind becomes conclusive from...

Prabhupāda: Āra nā koriha mane āśā. Don't concoct. Don't you sing daily? Āra nā koriha mane āśā. Don't manufacture ideas. That is dangerous. Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches by His example. Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karilā śāsana [Cc. Ādi 7.71]. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said to Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī that "My spiritual master saw Me fool number one, so he has chastised Me, that 'Don't try to read Vedānta; chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.' So I'm doing." (motorcycle in background) Just hear. He has come to this turn. This sound is purposefully created? (motorbike going back and forth through much of the tape)

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SB 3.16.8 purport--The conclusion is that if one can feed a brāhmaṇa or Vaiṣṇava, it is better than performing hundreds of thousands of sacrifices. In this age, therefore, it is recommended that harer nāma [Adi 17.21]—chanting the holy name of God—and pleasing the Vaiṣṇava are the only means to elevate oneself to spiritual life.

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— Krishna Connect (@krishnaconnect8) November 29, 2025

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PADA: It looks to me like there is a sort of joining forces with these Babajis and some ISKCON and Gaudiya Matha folks. For example, Narayan Maharaja was famously giving "rasika classes to the GBC" but he forgot to find out if they were qualified for rasika. Never mind Narayan Maharaja said his own guru ordered him to avoid the Babajis.   

Which is how we got Satsvarupa citing Narayan Maharaja on -- the colors of the gopis saris, and in the same book, SDG discusses his enemas and constipation. Which is why BV Puri said this book is worse than any sahajiysa, the gopis and passing stools in the same book! Needless to say this is all premature, and no small amount of offensive, to juxtapose the gopis and enemas.  

As far as the Jiva Institute folks, it looks evidently like they have some connections to the (sahajiya?) Narayan Maharaja program's leader Premprayojana. At least someone mentioned them both in the Satya Vani forum.

Of course NM was in Texas yelling and shouting at my associates when I was in Texas having NM's "dear Tamal tree of Radha" sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. 

It looks like all of these forces are combining together, and how did you guess, they all oppose PADA. Narayan Maharaja then said I was making major offenses with the poison issue and etc. because evidently he was trying to defend the Tamal cabal.

We already have Jiva Institute leader Jagadananda is on record (from CHAT GPT) -- first taking Sannyasa in 1979 under Bhavananda Swami, receiving the name Hiranyagarbha Swami. Then he went to Lalit Prasad Thakur later in 1979. Jagadananda told me he felt bad for not addressing the child abuse problem in ISKCON, and he never really did make much public expose, rather he told me to do all that. 

He approached Lalit Prasad Thakur, son of Bhaktivinoda Thakur, and received the diksa of siddha-pranali, and babaji veṣa from him. At that time, he was renamed Jagadananda Das Babaji. Jagadananda told me he never renounced his connection to Lailt Prasad and siddha pranali, and then he went to the Jiva Institute. OK and they are reputed to have the same types of mis-conceptions as Lalit Prasad.

Now the Jiva Institute guys are very sharp to find when we might make a mistake indentifying this Satya Vani person, which we may have done by mistake, but it is not easy to discover who this person is, except, he sounds a lot like them. Satya Vani almost sounds close to Satyanarayana as well? OK various people assumed Satya Vani was Satyanaryana dasa, but we cannot confirm that.

Anyway Satya Vani, whoever he is, has a number of books on Amazon with almost no reviews, except one negative one. And the reviewer is not happy with their writings. I don't think they are making a lot of progress with their propaganda. 

In any case, I think all of these folks are simply envious that others are preaching and making progress and they -- pretty much -- are not. And this has gone on for decades. If someone knows the actual identy of Satya Vani, let us know. 

Srila Prabhupada ALREADY describes the process of us Jeeva souls attaining our spiritual identity and bodies, and the siddha pranali diksha is not part of it. It was premature for the peacock, for Jagadananda, and others, to get involved with all this. Here are some quotes on these issues:

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

 

Radha Kunda Babajis and Siddha Pranali

* Srila Prabhupada: The siddha-pranali process is followed by a class of men who are not very authorized and who have manufactured their own way of devotional service. They imagine they have become associates of the Lord simply by thinking of themselves like that.

* This external behavior is not at all according to the regulative principles. The so-called siddha-pranali process is followed by the prakrita-sahajiya, a pseudosect of so-called Vaishnavas. In the opinion of Rupa Gosvami, such activities are simply disturbances to the standard way of devotional service. Sri Rupa Gosvami says that learned acharyas recommend that we follow the regulative principles even after the development of spontaneous love for Krishna. — Nectar of Devotion 16

* To speculate on what your eternal position with Krishna is, or to have some one tell you what it is, is a sign of a prakrta-sahajiya. You will know when you get to that platform. It is irrelevant in the practice of bhakti yoga to speculate on this. Srila Prabhupada says, “That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?” (Morning Walk, 6-7-76, LA)

* According to the Vedanta Sutra (4.4.1) and Sri Sanatana Goswami (Brhadbagavatamrtam, 2.2), a soul never gets given a spiritual body at any time. The spiritual body is an eternal and inseparable facet of the individual soul, the jiva-atma. The spiritual form of the self is eternally and inseparably connected to the individual self. 

* My spiritual body is inseparable from me and, though dormant, my spiritual body has been with me for all of eternity. When a soul desires to render service to the Lord in his spiritual form then the dormant spiritual body becomes fully manifest. This is clearly stated to be the case in the Vedanta Sutra and in more recent texts such as Sri Sanatana Goswami’s book Brhadbhagavatamrtam. It is utterly wrong to think that a soul can be given a spiritual body.
Srila Prabhupada Conversations, Morning Walk, 6-7-76, LA

PADA: Yes, that was my understanding from Srila Prabhupada all along. We have already got our spiritual identity -- or rasa with Krishna -- that is currently covered, but our identity is already established. Of course it is is possible for a jeeva to change rasas, but that is very rare under special conditions. 

When Lalit Prasada told some of our devotee what their spiritual form was, and one of them was a peacock, the peacock later fell down and was not very steady. OK it was premature to tell this person he is a peacock.   

Prabhupada: In this sahajiya party, then preaching will be finished. Siddha-pranali. Then everything will be finished. Preaching will be finished.

Tamala Krsna: What does that mean, Srila Prabhupada, siddha-pranali?

Prabhupada: Siddha-pranali is nonsense. They have manufactured a siddha-pranali.

Ramesvara: [break] …the initiation that you are given your siddhas, your eternal position.

Prabhupada: They have learned it from these Radha-kunda babajis.

Tamala Krsna: From Radha-kunda babajis?

Prabhupada: Babajis, yes. After all, they’re fool, rascals, so whatever they say. Let them say all nonsense. They are disqualified. Sahajiya babajis, that’s all.

Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, when the devotee is in the original relationship with Krsna, his siddha-deha, why is it that he sometimes changes his original rasa with Krsna?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Ramesvara: Each one of us has an original relationship with Krsna, some as plant, some as tree, some as cow, some as cowherd boy. So if that is re-established, why should the devotee desire to change it?

Prabhupada: Well, that is spiritual kingdom. You can change if you like.

Tamala Krsna: It is not static, Prabhupada once explained. Love is not static.

Prabhupada: Generally, it is not changed. Just like mother Yasoda, she’s mother all the time, eternally.

Tamala Krsna: The question came in Bombay two or three years ago. Prabhupada said that it is not static. You can have (inaudible).

Hari-sauri: I always understood before that the rasa was fixed, but that within that rasa one may take different…, one may take a different line.

Prabhupada: That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?

Prabhupada: A patient is thinking, “How shall I dance when I become healthy?” First of all, rascal, become healthy, then talk of all this. The rascals are thinking like that. You are patient; first of all cure your disease, material disease. Then talk of all this. Utopian. “When I will get rich, how I shall treat…. I shall…. Then my wife is disobedient and I shall kick her like this,” (laughter)

Ramesvara: That’s the point.

“A bhakta will naturally be attracted towards a specific bhava and mood of service. It is inherent within the bhakta. Everyone is different.” 

That is the whole point.

To speculate on what your eternal position with Krishna is, or to have some one tell you what it is, is a sign of a prakrta-sahajiya. You will know when you get to that platform. It is irrelevant in the practice of bhakti yoga to speculate on this. 

Srila Prabhupada says: “That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?”

PADA: Preaching finished, yep, these siddha pranali people are famous for sitting in a solitary place and not preaching. 

The Spiritual Form of the Self

by Sriman Muralidhar das

Following is a critique of the philosophy of the Radha Kunda babajis who teach that when a disciple comes to a guru he should be “given” a spiritual body of a manjari. In this article, the author carefully presents the teachings of Prabhupada Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur who taught that this “siddha pranali” system of worship is a concoction and a deviation from the ways of devotion taught by Sri Rupa-Sanatana.

A significant aspect of the siddha-pranali doctrine as it is generally practiced nowadays is the proposition that a guru will assign a spiritual body to their disciple. Followers of this doctrine think the spiritual form of a liberated person is given by their guru to a devotee.

For example, in a book about manjari swarup written by Kunjabihari das Babaji he wrote:

“In the Lord’s abode, there are an unlimited number of forms, all suitable for rendering service to him. Every one of those forms is non-different from him, being expanded from his effulgence; each one is eternal, full of consciousness and bliss. They are the crowning, central jewels of the spiritual world – its very life. 

These unlimited spiritual bodies are the perfected forms of the liberated souls which are awarded to an individual, according to his taste, when he reaches the state of absolute liberation. This state is called attainment of the spiritual body. All these spiritual bodies are eternal for they exist even before the liberated souls enter them and will continue to exist ever afterward. However, prior to the entry of the liberated soul they are in an inactive state.”

As all of the unlimited souls are servants of the Lord, each one of them has a spiritual body in the Lord’s abode just suitable for rendering service to the Lord. When an individual becomes qualified for direct service to the Lord by the grace of the Goddess of Devotion, then the Supreme Lord awards him that spiritual body.

According to this school of belief, a devotee must be “awarded” or “given” a spiritual body (siddha-deha) by their guru so they can practice the meditation that they are assisting Sri Radha in the divine pastimes of the spiritual world. If some disciple has not been given a spiritual body by their guru then how can the disciple engage in the practice of raganuga bhakti?

Yet it must be pointed out that according to the Vedanta Sutra (4.4.1) and Sri Sanatana Goswami (Brhadbagavatamrtam, 2.2), a soul never gets given a spiritual body at any time. The spiritual body is an eternal and inseparable facet of the individual soul, the jiva-atma. The spiritual form of the self is eternally and inseparably connected to the individual self. My spiritual body is inseparable from me and, though dormant, my spiritual body has been with me for all of eternity. 

When a soul desires to render service to the Lord in his spiritual form then the dormant spiritual body becomes fully manifest. This is clearly stated to be the case in the Vedanta Sutra and in more recent texts such as Sri Sanatana Goswami’s book Brhadbhagavatamrtam. It is utterly wrong to think that a soul can be given a spiritual body. In the commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana to verse 4.4.1 (sampadyavirbhavah svena sabdat) of the Vedanta Sutra, Baladeva has written the following:

“The individual soul who, by means of devotional service accompanied with knowledge and renunciation, attains the effulgent Supreme, becomes free from the bondage of karma and attains a body endowed with eight virtues. This body is said to be the soul’s original form. Why is that? The sutra explains, “svena-sabdat” (because of the word “svena”). The word “svena” here means, “in his own original form”. For this reason it cannot be said that this passage means, “the soul arrives there and then accepts a form which is an external imposition”. In that way it is proved that the form here is the original form of the soul.”

In this section of Vedanta Sutra, the topic being discussed is: “When a soul attains liberation does the soul attain a body that is different from himself, as the bodies of demigods are different from their inner self, or does the soul manifest his original identity which is not different from himself?” In Baladeva’s commentary, he emphatically declares that in his sutras Vyasa himself is saying that when a soul becomes liberated they realize their inner identity and see they are a purely spiritual self with an eternal body of full of spiritual consciousness and bliss (sat-chitananda).

Baladeva quotes the Chandogya Upanishad:

“Thus does that serene being, arising from this body, appear in its own form, as soon as it has approached the highest light, the knowledge of Self. He, in that state, is the highest person (uttama purusha). He moves about there laughing or eating, playing, and rejoicing in his mind, be it with women, carriages, or relatives, never minding that body into which he was born.”
Chandogya Upanishad 8.12.3.


Baladev Vidyabhusan then quotes from the Padma Purana:

anur nityo vyapti-silas cid-anandatmakas tatha
aham artho ‘vyayah saksi bhinna-rupah sanatanah

“The soul is atomic, eternal, is present by consciousness everywhere in the material body, is by nature full of spiritual bliss and knowledge, has a sense of individual identity, is unchanging, is a witness within the body, and is different from the Supreme.”

Srila Baladev Vidyabhusan states that the spiritual form of bliss the liberated being attains is the original form of the soul that lay dormant within when the soul was in illusion. The Vedanta Sutra tells us that the spiritual body of the liberated being is the soul’s original form. This form is a form of eternity, knowledge and bliss, as is mentioned in the verse above (cid-ananda-atma). It is not that the soul attains liberation and enters into a spiritual body or a form of existence which is an external imposition, an external state of being different from the self itsef. Not at all. The liberated soul realizes the spiritual nature of one’s own inner being.

Srila Sanatan Gosvami has also presented the same conclusion. In his commentary to verse 2.2186 of Sri Brhadbhagavatamrtam, Srila Sanatan Gosvami quotes Shankaracarya’s verse, “mukta api lilaya vigraham kritva bhagavantam bhajanta”, which he translated as “Even the liberated assume a form and worship the Lord in his pastimes”. Srila Sanatan Gosvami then quotes Srimad Bhagavatam 6.14.5 “muktanam api siddhanam narayana parayana”, that is, “The liberated and perfected souls are engaged in Narayan’s service.” Then Srila Sanatan Gosvami asks himself: “If liberated souls didn’t have forms then how could they engage in the Lord’s service?” The answer: “Bhagavati layam praptasyapi nri dehasya mahamuneh punar narayana rupena pradurbhavah”. Even those who have merged into the Lord have dormant human forms.

The statement of Srila Sanatan Goswami is clear and unambiguous. Even those souls who have never known Krishna and are merged in the formless light of Brahman have dormant human forms.

In another part of Brhad Bhagatamrtam, the commentary to verse 2.2.207, Sri Sanatana Goswami also wrote:

“O great sage, among many millions who are liberated and perfect in knowledge of liberation, one may be a devotee of Lord Narayana, or Krishna. Such devotees, who are fully peaceful, are extremely rare. Impersonalists generally imagine themselves perfect and liberated, and among them a very few may actually attain impersonal liberation. But those rare souls, like all others, are eternal servants of Hari, the all attractive Lord. 

Out of millions of such rare liberated impersonalists, one very fortunate soul may realize this natural fact. Since intelligence is dormant in the “merged” soul, it can be reawakened. Even the liberated souls who have merged into the formless divine light of the spiritual sky retain their eternal spiritual bodies, complete with spiritual mind and senses. Nothing, not even liberation, can ever deprive a jiva of these assets. 

Thus when a liberated soul gains the favour of the Supreme Lord’s personal energy, his spiritual body and senses are reawakened for hearing and chanting the glories of Lord Hari and acting in other ways for the Lord’s pleasure.”

The spiritual body and senses are reawakened, so that the soul returns to his original state of pure siddha perfection. This soul in its pure state, still merged in Brahman, can develop a mood of submission to the Absolute and begin moving towards the gates of the spiritual world. Or, awakening with a false sense of ego, the soul may descend into the world of duality, birth and death. Again and again the jiva may attain Brahman and then fall again, developing an “exploiting” mentality that drags the soul back into samsara. However the soul who enters the kingdom of Narayana attains real immortality.

Elsewhere in Brhad Bhagatamrtam, Srila Sanatan Goswami gives a beautiful description of souls entering the spiritual world of Vaikuntha. The form of one’s self that someone contemplates during one’s life of devotional practice, the stage of sadhana bhakti, is the form you will have in your state of perfection. And that state of being of a soul is capable of further transformation and development.
Srila Sanatan Goswami describes souls entering the spiritual world:

“Some came with associates, some with paraphernalia, and some with both associates and paraphernalia. Some merged their associates and paraphernalia in their own selves and became like penniless solitary sages plunged in the nectar of meditation. Some moment by moment manifested different wonderful and charming forms, each opulent with different and wonderful ornaments, features and pastimes. 

Some were humans, some monkeys, some demigods, some demons, and some sages. Others carried the marks of being initiated in the orders of varna and ashrama. Some were like Indra, Chandra or the other gods. Some had three eyes, some four heads, and some four arms, some eight arms, and some a thousand faces. 

I will tell you the reason for this great wonder: How can they who taste the nectar of devotion to Lord Krishna not be handsome? The glories of Vaikuntha’s residents, who are all beyond the material world of five elements, the glories of Vaikunthaloka and of Vaikuntha’s hero, Narayana, cannot be described with the examples drawn from the world of five elements. ”
(Brhad Bhagatamrtam 2.4.35-41)

Forum Discussions

The teaching of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati on raganuga-bhakti is, that ajata ruci (without taste) raganuga sadhakas (practitioners) should adopt the methods of raganuga sadhana that they are qualified to adopt in proportion to their development of sacred greed (lobhamayi sraddha), while following the angas (limbs) of vaidhi bhakti (regulated devotional service).

This follows Sri Jiva Goswami’s Bhakti-sandarbha 311
ajata-tadrsa-rucina tu sad-visesa adaramatradrta
raganugapi vaidhi-samvalitaivanus heya/
tatha loka-sangrahartam pratis hitena jata-tadrsa-rucina ca/
atra misratve ca tyatha-yogyam raganugayaikikrtyaiva vaidhi kartavya.

“One in whom this taste (ruci) has not arisen but who has come to appreciate raganuga-bhakti only on account of appreciation for a particular saint or scripture (sat), may still practice raganuga-bhakti but with an admixture of vaidhi-bhakti. In the same way, for the sake of preaching (loka-sangrahartaham) one who is advanced and in whom taste has manifested should also practice raganuga with an admixture of vaidhi. Such mixing of the two kinds of bhakti means that one practices vaidhi-bhakti by uniting it with whatever raganuga practices one is capable of.”

In the opinion of Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati, such mixing of the two kinds of bhakti means that one embrace the angas of vaidhi-bhakti with a view to attain greater eligibility for raganuga-bhakti and its sadhya (goal) by uniting them with whatever raganuga practices one is eligible for (yatah-yogyam). In his opinion this did not include an emphasis on meditating on the pastimes of Radha-Krsna from the vantage point of one’s siddha deha for those who had not attained the stage of nistha, based on the reasoning that dhyana (meditation) requires a pure heart, whereas kirtanam (chanting) does not. He reasoned, as has Sri Sanatana Goswami in Brhad-bhagavatamrta, that smaranam (remembering) arises naturally out of kirtanam. 

Thus he emphasized nama smaranam for beginners, stressing inoffensive chanting that would lead naturally to meditation on Krsna’s form (rupa samaranam), qualities (guna smaranam), and pastimes (lila smaranam). (lila-smaranam, the remembrance of one’s lila in Krishna’s pastimes)

Of course he also emphasized mantra dhyana of Gopala mantra, kama gayatri, etc., and these mantras were given to sadhakas only after they had attained a degree of steadiness in nama smaranam (japa).

Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati was reacting to what he perceived as ‘a sleight of hand’ in the name of giving, or in some cases making a business out of and selling siddha pranali. Thus his position was that sadhakas while aspiring for Vraja bhakti should do kirtanam and that as this kirtanam qualified them they should combine it with smaranam. Furthermore he maintained that one’s svarupa would be glimpsed in the stages of ruci and asakti, at which time effective and meaningful lila smaranam from the vantage point of one’s svarupa could take place propelling the sadhaka into bhava bhakti.

I don’t see people engaged in astakaliya lila-smaran from day one. The idea that nama-kirtan is required to bring about purity of heart, which gives a solid basis for smaran, is there in Jiva’s Bhakti-sandarbha, too. Smaran and kirtan supplement each other.

I discussed the matter of lila-smaranam with Baba last time I was at Radha Kund. He told me to not worry of it, that it would eventually come, and when it would naturally come, I could commence with astakaliya-lila. Until then, I was to engage in nama-japa, diksa-mantra-smaran and Giridhari-seva, and also manasik yogapitha-seva to become better acquainted with the basic scenario and personalities in the lila, including myself.

No objection there, either — it’s just that we hear of our svarupa prior to attaining our first glimpses of it as ruci and asakti arise. This hearing provides us with incentive to yearn for the attainment, just as hearing of Krishna’s qualities and pastimes gives rise to eagerness for direct darshan.

A bhakta will naturally be attracted towards a specific bhava and mood of service. It is inherent within the bhakta. Everyone is different.

One’s siddha-deha is not something manufactured in the mind of a conditioned soul, nor is it artificially assigned, nor is it something to dangle before disciples of the lineage of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati to say, “You cannot attain siddha-deha (Vraja bhakti) without coming to our lineage.”

The siddha-deha is gradually revealed to the sadhakas realization, qualification and progress in devotional service. There is no need to artificially designate or assign a siddha-deha. It lies already dormant within the self and will fully manifest, when the bhakta develops real love or prema bhakti.

Instead of onself or the guru concocting an imaginary spiritual identity, simply meditating upon Krishnas name will reveal everything in due course of time. It is therefore not necessary for the guru to artificially give siddha-pranali to the disciple. This view is held by all bonafide vaishnava goswamis.

Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga — Los Angeles 8 August, 1969

My Dear Rupanuga, please accept my blessings. I beg to thank you very much for your letter of August 3rd, 1969, and I have noted the contents carefully. In further reference to your question about the form of the spirit soul of the conditioned living entity, there is a spiritual form always, but it develops fully only when the living entity goes back to Vaikuntha.

This form develops according to the desire of the living entity. Until this perfectional stage is reached, the form is lying dormant like the form of the tree is lying dormant in the seed.

Jiva Institute Question / Original Books / GBC Ritvik For Themselves 11 28 25

GOOD JOB NAMARASA!

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JIVA INSTITUTE

PADA: I have received a letter from the Jiva Institute saying that Satya Vani and Satyanaran are not the same person, and I should correct that. OK I will, but I would like to see this get clarified. But they both preach the same identical idea as the Babajis, the so-called Parivars etc. which Jagadananda (Jiva Institute) used to debate with me. 

It could be that they are different people who preach the same thing and have the same influences, I am not saying that is not possible. It is odd that the name Satyanarayan and Satya Vani are similar, their preaching is similar, and that could be a coincidence, it is possible.   

I have asked for some clarifications from them. Jagadananda used to argue with me that our line is defective and the Babaji line is authorized, and it does appear that Satya Vani / Satyanarayan / Kundali / Jagadananda / Jiva Institute are preaching the same. And Kundali was arguing with me the same things and he was another Jiva Institute guy. Kundali was sending me all of his stuff once, but after awhile he stopped all communication.

Of course this does beg the question, why is Satya Vani not identifying who he is, while preaching the same as the Jagadananda / Kundali / Jiva Institute siddhanta? Why is this person preaching the same way as Jagadananda used to argue, but remains anonymous? There is only one review on their Amazon books, and it identifies them as the Parivars. If none of this is true they should clarify for our readers and for their Amazon review. 

The Satya Vani listed in Chat GPT seems to be some business person in India, so there is no verified evidence who he or she is, however if it talks like a duck, acts like a duck etc. Anyway I am glad they want this cleared up, so do our readers.    

ys pd  angel108b@yahoo.com 

From: angel108b@yahoo.com
To: jaya@jiva.org

Haribol. Another question. Is Satyanarayan acting as a siksha guru to the Narayana Maharaja guy Premprayojana, and NM is Tamal's chief bucket boy?

ys pd

Under the Satya vani forum:

Prāṇa-kṛṣṇa dāsa bābājī and Vinoda-vihāri dāsa bābājī belong to a generation of sādhus that is gradually disappearing. Future generations of bhaktas will find it difficult to attain their level of devotional purity and tapasya-śakti.

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Both sādhus have spent most of their lives in their bhajana-kuṭīras, sitting and chanting mantras. When they set out for a walk with their japa-mālā in hand, they do so as part of their specific sādhana during a brief daily parikrama—their walk is an extension of their unwavering attachment to the nāma and iṣṭa-devatā... and so the japa-mālā beads seem unwilling to stop flowing between their fingers. Will the still, rural setting of Vṛndāvana—with its sacred sthālīs, tīrthas, and mandiras—or the vrajavāsīs themselves stir their minds as much as the hectic context of modern cities does?
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They aren't affected by ISKCON's evangelist fever; they aren't zealous preachers with a motley proselytizing agenda; they aren't leaders of religious corporations who walk with a japa-mālā in hand during their 'morning walk' while teaching spirituality and devising strategies to attack māyā. They are neither busy householders from the West, of course.
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Look, these sādhus do not discriminate against or reject ISKCON / Gauḍīya-maṭha members as apasampradāyīs, such as Bhaktisiddhānta continually did to members of their parivāras; and this is why many people, many bhaktas go to take darśana and śikṣā from these two holy men.
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Prāṇa-kṛṣṇa dāsa bābājī and Vinoda-vihāri dāsa bābājī belong to a generation of sādhus that we will likely never see again.
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P.S. I recently saw a podcast with Prem Prayojan Das talking about the bhāgavata–guru–paramparā. According to that tradition, does he pay his respects to the various bābājīs of Rādhā-kuṇḍa (to whom he sometimes visits) and to Satyanārāyaṇa Dāsa (for whom he receives śikṣā that is impossible to find elsewhere)? Could they be part of Prem Prayojan / ISKCON / Gauḍīya-maṭha paramparā? Will they accept the modern bābājīs into their bhāgavata-paramparā?

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ORIGINAL BOOKS / NICE JOB HERE 

Original Srila Prabhupada Books - Krishna Consciousness

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GBC giving ritvik on behalf of one another, but not Prabhupada?

We’d like to offer our heartfelt congratulations to the devotees who received initiation into the Brahma-Madhava-Gaudiya Sampradaya from His Holiness Rama Govinda Swami. This is a sacred step on the path of devotion and we honour the sincerity, commitment and courage each of you has shown in deepening your spiritual journey. May this connection strengthen your service, illuminate your purpose and draw you closer to the Lord with every breath.

First initiation:

-Shanti Mataji (Lenasia) will now be know as Subhadra devi dasi
-Rehana Mataji (Sandton) will now be know as Rohini devi dasi
-Nalini Mataji (Sandton) will now be know as Nirguna Prema devi dasi
-Vivek Prabhu (Midrand) will now be know as Vishwathma das
Second Initiation:
-Mitra Vinda Mataji (Lenasia)
-Haridas Prabhu (Sandton)
-Nirmala Devi Dasi (Sandton) (First from HH Bhakti Charu Swami)
-Puspamalini Mataji (Lenasia) (HH Lokanath Swami Maharaj - sat for the yajna)
-Asoka Manjari (Lenasia) (HH Partha Sarathi Goswami Maharaj - sat for the yajna)
Srila Prabhupada ki jay

ISKCON Court Case / Trivrikrama / Satsvarupa / Mahatma 11 27 25

DELHI CHILD ABUSE CASE

MD: The case is being handled by competent, experienced lawyers. They got exactly what they wanted: the Supreme Court's order to take it back to the respective Offices of Child Protection. Now those Offices are on notice from the SC to do their jobs. And if they don't? Our lawyers will go BACK to the SC with that report!

PADA: Yeah, the fact the case is in the newspapers has already started a lot of people asking questions, including various GBC people asking PADA questions. The GBC's molester messiah's cat is coming out of the bag, even though it is kicking, biting and screaming to stay in there. 

It is interesting that they blame "the ritviks" for reporting all the child abuse. What difference does it make who or whom reports child abuse? Same thing we had with the GBC / Kailasa chandra / Dayalu Nita's HKC Jaipur people, well Puranjana is a bogus gopi sahajiya! He should never report child abuse, that is offending our Auschwitz for kids molester messiahs program! 

Yep, us bogus gopi sahajiyas know that mass child abuse is wrong, you guys don't. Agreed. Anyway, blaming the messenger is what criminals do and is not going to fix the problem. We said this has to go to court, these GBC folks are corrupt, and unfortunately, it does have to go to court. 

The publicity has just got started. This problem is not going away. And I told Jayapataka in 1979, if the children are mistreated, this will come back to bite ISKCON, and -- it has. Never mind the biting from Yamaraja's dogs that will happen to those who orchestrated all this.   

ys pd

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TRIVRIKRAMA SWAMI 

PADA: Evidently Trivrikrama's marriage has fallen apart and he is living away from the wife wearing white. That did not last long? Hey how about not getting married when your kids will be 20 when you are 104? What is wrong with these people? 

Sulochana said Trivrikrama was following him around Los Angeles looking very menacing, and a few days later, Sulochana was assassinated. Sulochana said he is fighting the gay saffron MAFIA, and it looks like Trivrikrama was one of the enforcers. If that woman left him, that is great, he should not exploit that lady anymore than he already has. ys pd

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Satsvarupa Maharaja Health Report for November 21, 2025

Hari Hari,

Ultimately Satsvarupa Maharaja did not go through with the podcast with Namarasa and Vyenkatta Bhatta. He just plain ran out of steam, much to the disappointment of the interviewers. At least they had lunch with him and got some of their favorite books signed. 

I was duly criticized for “allowing” the drama to go on for so long, seemingly at the expense of his health. The unseen part of the equation is realizing how determined Satsvarupa Maharaja was to share “his Prabhupada” with us despite the risks. 

Hopefully we will get better at compromising in the future so that the care team and Satsvarupa Maharaja are playing it safe but still satisfied.

All in all, Satsvarupa Maharaja has done his duty with decades of focus on writing for devotees. GN Press is on an estimated two-year marathon to finally get all his books in print. So far the number of his books listed on Amazon is 146 and climbing monthly. By crafting many different genres, there is literally something for everyone. Satsvarupa Maharaja appears tired but settled after hosting his friend Jayadvaita Swami for a few days.

your servant,
Baladeva

PADA: Yep, Satsvarupa says that "his Prabhupada" wanted the children of ISKCON to worship SDG's homosexual, pedophile, drunks and drug taking acharyas. Great idea! Then us whistle blowers could be banned, beaten, sued and killed. And ISKCON would become a ghost town because nearly everyone is disgusted with SDG's Vodka and percodan lusty dog acharyas. 

And SDG is hosting Jayadvaita swami, who admits his messiahs are falling into "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children." The molester messiahs folks deserve a lot of credit, they do help and prop each other up, whereas -- sadly -- the ritvik camps seems to be splintered. Unfortunately, SDG's program has to be exposed in court because he never addresses the issue in house. 

But he could not be interviewed because his brain has turned into mush, and he speaks too much word salad.   

ys pd

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BOGUS JESUS TOOK TOO MUCH KARMA

Main cheer leader of the ISKCON pedophile messiah's project. 

Sulochana said, Let us hope there is no 'sex with goats' 

in their guru parampara from heaven.

We can hope not. But they cannot guarantee it.

Sulochana also called these people:

Boot lickers for the butt busters.

Hare Krishna Dear Devotees,

We kindly ask for your prayers and well-wishes for His Grace Mahatma Prabhu, who suffered a stroke on Sunday, November 23th. By Kṛṣṇa’s mercy and the expertise of the doctor, the clot was quickly identified and successfully dissolved through an angiogram.

His right arm and leg were paralyzed for a short period, but the feeling returned, and he has regained full movement and sensation. His body is fully recovered and strong. Some language-related functions were affected during the stroke, and he will be working with a speech and language specialist to support the healing. He is stable, receiving excellent care, and focusing on rest and recovery.

Thank you for keeping him in your prayers as he continues to regain strength.
Your servant,

Radhapriya Devi Dasi

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GBC Foolish or Criminal?

PADA: Well as soon as we said the children were suffering under their process, we were: removed, vilified, chased with bats, chased with broom sticks, threatened in all manners possible, branded as p*ison by Satsvarupa, and in 1986 excommunicated, so they could make us targets.

And ultimately we had to be saved by the hard work of the local constables and the FEDS who were tapping their phones -- and thus intercepted the three enforcers they sent here to Berkeley to take me out. And then they sued our friends, JPS people then blamed me for making $100,000,000 in court costs, and then we had to help take them to court in Delhi now. This is not foolishness, this is called a criminal conspiracy. ys pd

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THANKS TO KRISHNA

Thanking Krishna on Thanksgiving: 

om krishno vai sac-cid-ananda-ghanaha krishna adi-purushaha krishnaha purushottamaha krishno ha u karnadi-mulam krishnaha sa ha sarvaih karyaha krishnaha kasham-krid-adisha-mukha-prabhu pujyaha krishno 'nadis tasminn ajandantar-bahye yan mangalam tal labhate kriti

"Lord Krishna is the color of a new rain cloud, therefore He is compared to a transcendental cloud full of eternity, bliss and cognizance. He is the original and supreme person. He is the origin of all activities and the one and only Lord of all. He is the worshipful Lord of the best of demigods, the controller of Brahma, Vishnu and shiva. Krishna is without any beginning. Whatever auspiciousness is found within or beyond this universe the devotee obtains in Krishna alone" (Rig Veda, Krishna Upanishad)

(Om) madhavo madhavo vaci
madhavo madhavo hridi
smaranti sadhavaha sarve
sarva-karyeshu madhavam

"Lord Madhava is in one's words and Lord Madhava is in one's heart. All the saintly persons remember Lord Madhava, the husband of the goddess of fortune, in all their undertakings." (Narasimha Purana)

karotu svasti me krishnaha
sarva-lokeshvareshvaraha
karshnadayash cha kurvantu
svasti me loka-pavanaha

"May Lord Krishna, the Lord of the demigods, the presiding controller of all the worlds, bestow auspiciousness upon me. May His devotees, who are the saviors of all people, bestow benedictions of auspiciousness upon me." (sammohana Tantra)

krishno mamaiva sarvatra
svasti kuryat shriya samam
tathaiva cha sada karshnihi
sarva-vighna-vinashanaha

"May Lord Krishna along with His beloved Radha bring about prosperity and auspiciousness at all times. In the same way may the devotee of Krishna, who is able to destroy all obstacles, always bring about auspiciousness." (Vishnu Yamala samhita)

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Supreme Court and ISKCON Child Abuse / Sannyasa and Women 11 26 25

 

Supreme Court Steps In Over Shocking Sexual Abuse Claims in ISKCON Schools, Directs Fresh Probe by Child Rights Bodies

By Hardik Khandelwal

25 November 2025, 2:24 PM

The Supreme Court heard serious allegations of sexual abuse in ISKCON-run schools and questioned the lack of action by authorities. The bench directed petitioners to approach NCPCR and state child rights commissions, stressing that children’s safety must be examined by a neutral body.

New Delhi: The Supreme Court of India recently heard a serious petition concerning alleged sexual abuse of children in schools run by the ISKCON organisation. The matter was listed before a bench comprising Justices BV Nagarathna and R Mahadevan.

The case raised concerns about the safety and welfare of children and whether the authorities had taken proper action on complaints made by the victims and their representatives.

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During the hearing, the counsel appearing for the petitioners informed the Court that there were grave and disturbing incidents of sexual abuse involving children in ISKCON-run schools. It was submitted that despite repeatedly informing the concerned authorities, no effective action had been taken. The counsel stated,
“There are serious incidents, and authorities aren’t acting despite reminders.”

Justice Nagarathna questioned the steps taken by the petitioners and asked, “Have you gone to NCPCR?” Responding to this, the counsel said, “Yes, but no response.”

The Court then observed that another reminder should be sent and further inquired about the status of any criminal proceedings by asking, “Send another reminder. Any FIR or investigation?”

The counsel clarified that based on the internal records of ISKCON institutions, complaints had already been made to the police authorities. After considering the submissions, the Supreme Court passed its order and disposed of the petition. The bench granted liberty to the petitioners to file a fresh representation before the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights (NCPCR) as well as the State Commissions for Protection of Child Rights in Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal.

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It directed that these authorities must consider the grievances raised. The Court recorded in its order,

“We dispose of this petition by reserving liberty to the petitioners herein to make a fresh representation / reminder to NCPCR, UP SCPCR and West Bengal SCPCR to bring to the notice of these respondents the allegations that are ventilated in this petition. It is needless to observe that if such representations are made to the aforesaid respondents, the same shall be considered having regard to the grievances and allegations which are stated in the representation/in the writ petition,”

During the proceedings, Senior Advocate Kapil Sibal, appearing on behalf of ISKCON, argued that the petition was not genuine and was linked to internal disputes within the organisation. He submitted, “This stems from a dispute between ISKCON factions.”

He further explained that the disagreement was between the Bangalore faction of ISKCON and other units, and the matter was already pending before a three-judge bench following differences within a review bench.

However, the petitioners strongly denied any connection between this case and the internal factional conflict. Emphasising the nature of the allegations and the importance of children’s safety, Justice Nagarathna made it clear that the Court was focusing only on the welfare of the children.

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She stated, “This case has something to do with children … that’s why we have asked you to go to the neutral body,” and again reiterated, “The issue concerns children. That’s why we directed you to a neutral body.” The Supreme Court made it clear that the appropriate course of action was for the petitioners to approach independent and neutral statutory bodies that are specifically meant to safeguard children’s rights. These commissions are now expected to examine the allegations in detail and take necessary steps as per law.

Case Title:
RAJNEESH KAPUR Vs UNION OF INDIA
W.P.(Crl.) No. 398/2025 Diary No. 51457 / 2025

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DG: Iskcon hired Kapil Sibbal as lawyer!!! He is well known to represent terrorists and politicians accused of serious corruption. To me, this speaks volumes.

DL Dasi: True and horrible.

SRD: Imagine a world where ISKCON had invested the exorbitant sums of money that they'll have to pay to this sketchy lawyer, in the protection and welfare of their children!

DG: Kapil Sibal, a prominent and high-profile senior advocate in the Supreme Court of India, reportedly charges between ₹7 lakh to ₹15 lakh (approximately $8,400 to $18,000 USD) per appearance. Other sources suggest a range of up to ₹20 lakh to ₹25 lakh per appearance depending on the complexity and profile of the case.

His fees place him among the most expensive lawyers in the country. In one instance, the government of Kerala reportedly paid him over ₹1.37 crore (approximately $164,000 USD) to appear in two cases.

MM Devi Dasi: If someone is facing sexual-abuse charges and is found guilty, can additional people from their past come forward with accusations that could lead to more charges?

MA Dasi: Oh no!

AC Dasi: Paying lawyers, sounds about right, lol!!

DD: I don't know the Indian legislative dynamics ..... could you help me understand the meaning of this news?

DG: Essentially petitioners filed a case in India's Supreme Court against iskcon for ignoring child abuse in the institution. The Supreme Court directed them to file their petitions with the national commission for child protection and local police. 

Iskcon was represented by this infamous lawyer who tried to argue that ritviks were somehow behind this petition, which the Supreme Court did not accept, saying the issues of child abuse in iskcon are well known. This is what I understand and my apologies if I got this incorrect.

DD: Thank you very much for your reply.

MM Dasi: I feel it! The judge's words! So, could this be like the moment when Lord Krishna and Arjuna blew the conch shell and it was tumultuous. 

RC: Finally something ... Let's see if there is follow through .

PD: Yeah the GBC hired the most famous corruption defender lawyers in India, who are allegedly $20,000 an hour. And the GBC sent in a squad of saffron clad swamis to try to show their saintly-ness. ISKCON previously hired Alan Dershowitz to defend Kirtanananda, and he also defends Epstein, Harvey Weinstein etc. They spent hundreds of thousands defending Kirtanananda, and now you know why the children have had no soap and shoes, the GBC program runs on the principle of buying Luis Vuitton for lawyers. Told ya! ys pd

HK: When urged to spend more on child protection, they shrug and say, "we ain't got no money, sorry". But when it comes to protecting their @sses, money immediately manifests like magic.

EL: High ranking ISKCON mafians always have a lot of money.

DG: Its shocking! If the GBC are innocent, why hire expensive lawyers to defend?! Anyways, the money is not hard-earned by GBC- its easily gotten from innocent devotees.

PM: Do you think that ISKCON paedophile networks are connected to other outside paedophile networks?

PD: Is it coincidence that Alan Dershowitz was hired to defend predators, and he was also hand picked to defend their guru Kirtanananda? There is a connection because they cooperatively know how to defend each other. Satsvarupa also has the "little boy lover" symbol found in the FEDS web site in his art. Is is a coincidence that Jane Wallace could see that Kirtanananda covered with the hands of many boys was "pe do heaven," but none of the GBC leaders could? ys pd

PM: Not a coincidence I suspect. Where did you get the screen shot of Satsvarup's art? I didn't know those disturbed people had a symbol for their dangerous fetish.

VD: These sick (SDG Painting) monstrosities are on a website??? My God, these come from a highly disturbed and twisted mind. 

BB: Yes and that is why the GBC people have a big SDG art show every year with his Vyasa Puja.

TB: It’s about time !

GP: We the regular members are the ones who paid the abusers bills this last 50 year's, it's time to stop paying, and get the abusers locked up. No more criminalising the institution. Criminalises the abusers directly.

SRD: Prosecuting the abusers is important. It is also equally important to hold accountable the institution that has enabled the abuse.

GP: The way I see it the situation is, you me and all other members are the institution, and if the perpetrators and their enablers are removed and jailed, at their own expense, not ours, that's a result.

Us paying every time and the abusers and their facilitates walking free is not a good deal, in my estimation. It seems we also get some bad karma for bailing them out with our misplaced compasion time and money.

BM: Has the court acted on the poison case?

SRD: The fact that so many devotees are feeling relieved at this news, ought to be a wake up call for the ISKCON leadership, perhaps it's time to change their consciousness.

GP: I am thinking by not throwing the abusers and their facilitates under the bus, as it were, we shot ourselves and our children and our community in the foot, as it were. On top of that we paid all the bills and fines and filled the bank accounts of the criminals. Sometimes I ask myself was I that stupid were we that naieve, looks like we were and still are to some extent.

RSD: The whole GBC needs to be disbanded and fresh faces of sincerity need to be appointed. Limited terms and elected by the rank and file. The GBC are like career politicians and the longer they stay in their position the more open they are to corruption. Every present GBC member is to be blamed for this dire situation. 

I think only one has spoken out against this disgusting practice of child sex abuse. Happy to be corrected if there is more. All the others need to go to jail for enabling such a culture along with the perpetrators. This whole sordid affair has gone on for too long and shows me how pathetic the institution has become. No hearts will be changed while this scourge continues.

YD: Pretend it didn’t happen! Hire big lawyers! Great policy!

VD: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta explained this situation so perfectly:

“The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil.”

(Organized Religion)

MM: Wonderful news!

KD: When reports of child abuse within the Catholic Church surfaced in the media, they sent a sythe through its congregations, causing widespread disillusionment. While the recent developments surrounding ISKCON appear to be moving toward greater transparency and accountability, the context is markedly different (east vs west justice systems, ecclesiastical practice, organisational structure, etc). These distinctions suggest that this might not simply be a repeat or version 2.0 of the Catholic Church’s crisis.

SRD: How do you envision that this will unfold differently?

KD: Part of what sets this situation apart lies in the nature of the Indian legal system, which is often slow-moving and filled with procedural detours. These can allow institutions to cook things on a low flame and / or deflect accountability, often by placing the blame on lower-tier individuals. By the time any verdict is reached, many of those in senior leadership positions may no longer even be around to face whatever consequences may arise.

In contrast, the Catholic Church’s reckoning unfolded primarily under the US legal system, which (despite its flaws) is more structurally equipped to investigate, prosecute, and publicly scrutinize powerful institutions and people. 

That accountability was further fueled by deep historical tensions between Catholicism and Protestantism. Since Protestantism played a significant role in shaping Western secularism, there was already a cultural and ideological current that viewed the Catholic hierarchy as a relic of a bygone era, making it ripe for challenge and reform. 

So when the abuse scandals surfaced, the cultural arena was already constructed to absorb and amplify the news. With ISKCON, however, the situation is different. Reporting remains mired in legal and procedural language, and any broader public narrative has yet to properly crystallize.

In India, the religious and sociopolitical landscape is fundamentally different (arguably even the inverse) of what unfolded with the Catholic Church in the West. While there are echoes of the Protestant-Catholic divide in the tension between Hindu and Muslim identities, the dominant position of Hinduism in India today aligns more closely with the role Protestantism played in the US during the Catholic abuse scandals. In that context, Catholicism was the "other," making it more culturally vulnerable to critique and exposure.

By contrast, ISKCON, as a Hindu-rooted organization, exists within a framework where the cultural and institutional environment is not primed to challenge or scrutinize it with the same intensity. That doesn’t mean ISKCON gets a free pass, but it does mean the broader public discourse is far less equipped (or inclined) to amplify these allegations in a sustained, systemic way.

There may still be repercussions in the West, especially where media narratives follow different logics, but even there the situation is complicated. ISKCON’s demographic center of gravity has shifted significantly toward Indian diaspora communities, even in Western countries. If the story breaks more widely, it’s likely to be framed as a quirky epilogue “Whatever happened to the Hare Krishnas?” focusing more on the movement’s transformation from a countercultural Western phenomenon into a conventional Indian religious institution. 

Western ISKCON leaders will likely emphasize that any abuse cases in their ranks are historical and already addressed, distancing themselves from current events in India.

Also worth noting is the current momentum around the ISKCON case seems to be driven by ritviks or their affiliates. While they share a strong opposition to ISKCON’s current leadership, ritviks lack a unified doctrinal or cultural foundation (or even a traditional one, which is highly important in Indian discourse). 

They resemble a loosely connected opposition rather than a coherent reformist movement. This makes it harder for them to sustain long-term pressure.

At the same time, ISKCON is a highly decentralized organization. Its spiritual leaders often view the institutional structure as a practical necessity rather than a point of ideological commitment (unlike the centralized theological allegiance seen in Catholicism, both amongst its leaders and its congregation). 

Many of these gurus already run parallel initiatives or spiritual projects that function semi-independently of ISKCON’s formal apparatus. This decentralization creates a built-in buffer. If the institution comes under legal or public scrutiny, individual gurus can more easily step back, distancing themselves from the fallout without wholesale loss of their spiritual legitimacy or follower base.

Of course, predicting how this will unfold is speculative at best. My focus is less on long term forecasting and more on using historical foundations to shed light on current dynamics. Much depends on the evolving political and social landscape within India, and unexpected developments (both domestic and global) could jumble the game board entirely.

AP: If someone has a contact number for them we should all write to confirm that the allegations aren't just allegations but HARD FACTS. I pray that everything comes to light and the previous / current management is thrown out.

S Dasi: "The Supreme Court made it clear that the appropriate course of action was for the petitioners to approach independent and neutral statutory bodies that are specifically meant to safeguard children’s rights." I'm afraid this will get bogged down in Indian bureaucracy.

BB: Doing what they do best, spending money on lawyers to defend themselves, hoping the court will kick the can down the road ... and they will all be dead by the time an agreement is reached. Harassing. Creating confusion. Making excuses. Foot dragging at every step. They will be surprised when no one comes to defend them in the real court after death. 

RJ: Indian Government and Child Protection authorities are unlikely to take any action against ISKCON on these allegations. Abuse of children and women is widespread in India. GBC knows that ...

PADA: Yep, most expensive criminal defense lawyers, most expensive health care, and overall nice Saudi Prince life styles. No wonder they lawyered up, they have a lot to lose. As per usual -- this is all about the ritviks -- and has nothing to do with child abuse. 

Really? Sorry this argument just does not cut it anymore -- because most of the children victims have left ISKCON. They did not join "the ritviks." Or they joined other sanghas. Or they are blooped out and hate the religion, but in any case they are not ritviks or anything of the sort. And most of them have little to no connection to ISKCON and / or "the ritviks." 

It is a stalling technique. But getting anything done in India is like a bureaucratic nightmare and the GBC folks are all old aged and wiped out, so they probably just hope to run out the clock. Maybe the child welfare agencies will be forced to speed up due to court pressure, lets see. My understanding is that reports were already made to some agencies there -- and nothing was ever done. India is sort of cursed to be an imbroglio for victims, especially poor ones, and the GBC takes advantage. Lets hope it is different this time.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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The Celebrity Sannyasis and the Women Who Serve Them

How Devotion Masks Power, Exploitation, and Illusion in Spiritual Communities
Many years ago, I saw every service opportunity — especially to a sannyasi — as a rare chance to receive 'special mercy'. Whenever one visited, disciples, especially women, rushed to serve him. That perception has changed; I now see them as just another human, perhaps wiser, but not a gateway to salvation. How did this happen?

Once, while cleaning a sannyasi’s rooms, I noticed shelves of luxury skincare products. He wasn’t lecturing that day — he was horse riding on the beach. I enjoy natural cosmetics and horse riding too, but I don’t fund them with disciples’ donations. I wondered: is he a renunciate or a celebrity? If adventure was his calling, he could have become a safari guide.

Only later did I see the real issue: his status made this lifestyle possible. When spiritual leaders hold unquestioned authority, followers are expected to validate their indulgences as spiritual. When I questioned him, I was told he was “in the mode of goodness.” This wasn’t about one man; it revealed a pattern.

A sannyasi is meant to renounce luxury and cultivate humility. Yet some use their position to demand comfort and, in the name of 'service', ask women to provide endless practical and emotional support. Wrapped in saffron, they remain above criticism. Across many hierarchical religions, spiritual authority allows men to convert devotion into free labour, disguising their self-serving motives.

This dynamic appears in ISKCON and in religious organisations like the FLDS, as shown in Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey. Leaders prey on women’s dedication and loyalty. What is promoted to women as “service opportunities” is often exploitation.

When misuse of power is framed as 'spiritual instruction', abuse becomes easier to rationalise. Even after Warren Jeffs’ conviction for sexually assaulting minors, many followers still saw him as saintly. Why? Because it is easier to believe a leader is pure than to admit we worshipped someone deeply flawed.

In ISKCON, the contradiction is sharp. Some sannyasis claim women are “less intelligent,” yet rely on them as cooks, secretaries, translators, and emotional supports. Women are essential for serving the guru — but excluded from leadership.

One sannyasi travelled with a young woman he insisted was his “irreplaceable” translator, even in countries where no translation was needed. She told me he personally instructed her to study English so she could serve him — a revealing detail.

The same sannyasi asked a nineteen-year-old woman to perform a baton-twirling dance to a techno version of “Jaya Jagannath” as an offering. If any ordinary older man asked a teenage girl to dance for him, we’d be outraged. When a guru does it, devotees applaud.

Other sannyasis live with women who act as cooks, assistants, and companions. What is the difference between this and having a wife? The sannyasi receives the benefits of a wife without the commitment, responsibility, or reciprocity of a husband. Why choose one woman when you can claim to “save souls” by accepting service from many?

I’ve spoken to several of these women. They feel handpicked for the guru’s mercy, a rare blessing that commands gratitude and unquestioning devotion. Sannyasis offer a range of reasons why they need a particular woman’s personal service. 

They haven’t been able to find a man who is as reliable, loyal, intelligent, skilled or available. Still, men are considered spiritually & intellectually superior.
If an ordinary man enjoyed such intimacy with a woman who wasn’t his wife, it would be condemned. When a guru does it, it’s framed as transcendental.

Why do we rationalise and justify a sannyasi’s questionable behaviour? Because we want them on a pedestal, above the human struggles we are too familiar with. Admitting they have darkness may make us question our own salvation. Yet denial does not bring growth. Facing our own and others’ shadows is part of maturing.
Of course, not all sannyasis behave this way. Some live modestly and avoid intimate service from women.

Other 'famous' sannyasis insist on travelling in business class and staying in luxury accommodation, claiming that it's “necessary.” Travelling long distances frequently can be taxing on one's health, so flying business class can be legitimate.

But do all their world tours serve the community or their own status and ambition? I recall being instructed to spend more money on one sannyasi's groceries for 5 days, then we were allowed to spend on food for all the ashrama residents for one month. Which makes me wonder, should communities always prioritise sanyasis' needs?

If sannyasis encouraged more senior devotees — including women — to become gurus without the celebrity aura, the community would benefit. Guidance would be accessible. Authority would be shared. And sannyasis would be relieved from the pressures of fame and constant travel.

This shift would highlight a basic truth: a guru doesn’t need to be a celebrity or a mythologised figure. We don’t need someone glamorous or unreachable, whose foot dust sends us into ecstasy. We need someone grounded, wise, compassionate, and sincere.

Spiritual growth comes from steady human guidance, not from worshipping charismatic personalities. Reducing the culture of celebrity would help spiritual communities return to their real purpose: genuine transformation, not personality cults.

For men aspiring to be sannyasis, a psychological screening for dark-trait qualities (Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy) might not be entirely absurd. These traits often help individuals rise in rank, but once they reach leadership, the same tendencies can manifest as subtle exploitation, control and abuse.
In addition, a test to see if they can survive a week without women offering them any support of 'service', may filter out a few more men who are less suited as sannyasis.