Krishna, will You bring justice true? I stand where Draupadī once drew Her breath in halls of silent eyes, While honor bled through whispered lies.
Evil walks dressed in sacred grace, With folded palms and smiling face. Rumors pull my dignity thin, Thread by thread, they strip my skin.
Those I bowed to, once my light, Sit unmoved before the fight. Truth is sold, and money decides, While adharma loudly thrives.
O Kṛṣṇa, why are You so still? This age is dark against Your will. Devotion worn like borrowed skin, Where power hides the stains of sin.
I call You as Draupadī cried, With nothing left but You inside. No strength, no shield, no voice to raise, Only Your Name, my final praise.
You are Satya, pure and whole, The living truth of every soul. How long will lies sit crowned and fed, While unseen, the righteous bled?
Come, Madhusūdana, stand with me, Between my pain and their cruelty. Stretch Your mercy where justice fails, Where law grows weak and fear prevails.
This is my cry, my soul’s decree, I have no refuge but in Thee. O Kṛṣṇa, hear my broken plea, Establish dharma, save Your devotees.
PADA: Wow pilgrims. Makes me wanna cry honestly.
Yep, so many devotee's lives had to be upended, turned topsy turvy so that the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club could hi-jack ISKCON. Many lives were ruined, and many lives were lost. And ISKCON became a bankrupted empty ghost town.
At the same time, it is not Krishna's job to come here and fix things, or He would be faced with and endless task of fixing this problem and the other. He lets us fools run around and do our foolishness. And He won't intervene as a general principle, or He would have no end to doing that. That being said, Krishna is sort of intervening in ISKCON, in that almost all the GBC's former biggest loud mouthed Gestapo generals are sick, old, weak, retired, senile, or dead. And more to the point, almost no one cares about their authority nowadays.
The GBC no longer has their big mouthed tyrants like Ramesvara and Bhagavan to rally the troops. The tyrants are lost, gone, out of commission -- and the troops have decamped and vanished. Hansadutta is gone and almost all of his former troopers have vanished -- and nearly none of them even goes to the temple anymore. I honestly do not know one single soul around here who still worships Srila Hanks-a-dutta. Especially since now he is in the hands of the YAMA-duttas.
Rather Krishna allows people to do what they want, and if some of them are messiah wanna-bes, and the rest of the society goes along, if not empowers, allows, acquiesces, enables and facilitates, then the evil doers and their enablers and acquiescing hand maidens are creating the situation on their own -- without Krishna's input.
And then, when the few whistle blowers become targets, that makes most others want to back off and not protest, out of fear. And that is why so many people STILL post comments as anonymous, they fear the regime. So Krishna allows all that because, He gives people the freedom to make their own bed, and then they have to lay in it.
I feel bad for the people who are victims, but it is a collective karma situation. The victims were victimized by the evil doers, and the evil doers were enabled by the overall mass of sheeple who empowered the process -- and they did not resist properly or effectively.
And that is why people are asking Krishna to clean it up, but Krishna has no army here to do the clean up here -- acting for Him -- as His clean up crew. That means His alleged army basically surrendered to the evil powers collectively -- and failed to protect His religion, or its children. Worse, a lot of our peers argued AGAINST our idea of cleaning this up.
Srila Bhakti Tirtha Krishnapada swami advertised himself as a spiritual warrior, and he was, he was at war with us. He was promoting the molester messiah's project's leaders like Kirtanananda and Radhanath, which made our lives in peril, as well as the lives of thousands of children. He was one of the people aiding and abetting the evil process. And a whole lot of people still celebrate him as some sort of warrior hero, when he is not -- and that is how things came to be what they are now. Mass psychosis.
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CHILDREN MADE BAD GURU CHOICE
PADA: Yep, when we were suing the GBC over the mass child abuse, Mahatma das and other GBC started saying these children "did not study the shastra properly, they selected the wrong guru -- and even -- they (the children) wanted to be cheated."
Needless to say, that infuriated many victims, and even some of the Dallas court legal people were baffled and unhappy, because now the GBC has been blaming the five years old children for "making the wrong choice for their guru, they wanted to be cheated, and that is why they became victims." That is called victim blaming. Srila Prabhupada also never said that the five years old children will be in charge of selecting future gurus for his society.
OK Mahatama and his pals selected these fallen people as gurus, and then they blamed the victims so they would not have to take responsibility. When some of the leaders chastised me for "making ISKCON pay," I said goody, so you are going to pay for the court case and not ISKCON, glad you volunteered to do the payment. OK that was all bluff, they did not pay, they were bluffing as per usual. They wanted ISKCON to pay, and then they blamed the five years olds for making ISKCON go bankrupted. ys pd
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THE RITVIKS ARE HALLUCINATING
PADA: Yes prabhu, Kailasa chandra says the worship of pure devotees is "pure hallucination." OK fine, who do we worship instead then? How about -- the unknown -- no one -- non-existing -- nobody Madhyam. There is no person to worship under the Kailasa scheme. Right, the people who worship a pure devotee are hallucinating, while the people who worship no one, nothing and a non-existing phantom ghost, are not hallucinating? WTF? Worship of someone is hallucinating, worshiping no one and a ghost is not?
PADA: Yes prabhu, the GBC first of all used Kailasa's writing to "prove" they are Madhyam. But the GBC knew all along that Madhyam can fail. So they used Kailasa as a tool to make their case "we are Madhyam."
The GBC said yes, Kailasa is correct, we are Madhyama. Then later on the GBC said -- but Madhyama can fail. In other words they used Kailasa as a cheer leader for their main Madhyam idea.
Later on Kailasa and even Narayan Maharaja realized they made a mistake promoting these alleged GBC Madhyams, so then Kailasa switched gears to saying the GBC is wrong, Madhyam never falls. That means Kailasa is now directly challenging Srila Prabhupada. Sorry, Kailasa made a huge mistake writing position papers to make these GBC into alleged Madhyam, because generally Madhyam is a stable platform and they are not failing left, right and center. However, since they can fall, and even become asuras, they cannot be acharyas.
But yeah, the GBC gurus used him to write for them, and Kailasa still says we should worship the Madhyam, who is not free from being conditioned, and who can become a demon, which is why the GBC still promotes what he says. I was told the GBC had promised to give Kailasa a wife if he would write for them, but they could not find a woman who wanted to be his consort. Wonder why?
So yeah, Kailasa promoted the GBC by writing papers for them in 1990, but instead of admitting he made a mistake, he started saying Srila Prabhupada is the one making mistakes, Madhyam never fails. So he began to criticize Srila Prabhupada as a means of making Srila Prabhupada the problem, rather than admit -- they are not Madhyam, and even if they are, Madhyam is not eligible to be acharya.
Yeah, the GBC used Kailasa and he went along with them, maybe to get a wife, who knows, but he is still saying that Madhyam is acharya, and Srila Prabhupada is wrong to say Madhyam can fail. He is blaming Srila Prabhupada for his mistakes. In any case the GBC promoted his writings and the GBC has never retracted his writings. After writing for the GBC, instead of saying, OK Madhaym is not acharya, he says Srila Prabhupada is wrong, Madhyam never fails, so now he is criticizing the acharya to cover his mistakes. And that is why Kailasa never names his alleged Madhyam, because if he does, we will examine that person and no doubt he will not past the smell test. So basically Kailasa is promoting no one and nothing as his acharya. "All glories to nobody." This is called atheism.
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PADA: But Kailasa was saying the Kirtanananda people are correct, me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas. And Sulochana said that is making us targets. And Kailasa still says we are drunks and sahajiyas. Sulochana said that is making us targets, and we were targets.
Kirtanananda people were saying the same things. The good new is, us drunks and sahajiyas know that mass child mistreatment is a crime, other didn't know. Kailasa says he agrees with the GBC, conditioned souls who can become asuras can be acharyas, Sulochana never agreed to that. pd =======
PADA: Sheesh pilgrims. We said all along that we cannot make ISKCON's children worship predators, illicit sex deviants, and intoxicated fools etc. as their acharyas -- or there would be very bad results. The astonishing thing is, we were clamoring about this issue right out of the gate, but it has taken just about forever for it to really take off. Now -- many more people are helping us expose all this corruption and abuse. Vindication, sort of.
Not complaining really, better late than never. Unfortunately, almost all the protesting is from people outside the official ISKCON, so the only way to fix the society internally is with external pressure and expose.
Mahabhuja dasa said when he was in India molested children were coming to Calcutta temple, very traumatized and frightened. Perhaps they were both physically as well as mentally traumatized, after being molested by Bhavananda -- and others. OK that means he knew there was a problem, other people in Calcutta also (no doubt in my mind) knew, and no doubt a lot of other people knew as well, and so on and so forth. They knew, OK many knew, ISKCON's children are SUFFERING.
But the people who knew -- were unwilling or unable to speak about it because, I dunno, they would lose their place in the mighty kingdom of pedophile messiah's loka? But they lost their place anyway, because the temples emptied out later. They did all of that cover up, and who benefits? OK the abusers and their network benefit, no one else. Certainly ISKCON and its children did not benefit. OK ISKCON has had to go bankrupted because of the collective "conspiracy of silence."
And that is why people always ask me, how is it possible many other GBC leaders like Bhakti Vikas swami, Gaura Govinda maharaja, Basu Gosh, Lokanath and all sorts of others "did not know," when people like Mahabhuja and even PADA knew? Yeah, "who" knew what and when. And why aren't the main leaders of the molester messiah's program in Mayapura, like Jayapataka, Hari Sauri and others -- being removed for complicity, or at least incompetence?
Yet it seems -- almost no one wanted to challenge the regime, including people like Mahabhuja, although he now says this CURRENT expose is a good thing. OK all sorts of people sat around and allowed all this to go on, and on, and on -- ad infinitum, without protesting. And that just enabled the whole process to spin out of control, which it has done.
And that means when people say there has been "industrial levels of child abuse," we believe them. And I would argue, the people who acquiesced and enabled all that are complicit.
Yet I am happy now that the numbers of protesters has grown substantially, but I am not happy that so many children were victimized, traumatized, and essentially destroyed, and a number took their own lives -- or are not living now -- as a result of the trauma -- all so a few fools could sit on golden seat for a few years and be worshiped as emperors of the jagat.
So it is a victory, we are gaining support, but the battlefield is covered with dead bodies, so it is like a bitter pill victory. Sure it is a victory -- but at what cost? We had to sell our souls to Satan to "go along to get along" with the molester messiah's program, and allow Satanic ritualistic child abuse to run rampant, and that means -- Satan owns our soul. And it will take a long time to purge the Satanic-ness out of ISKCON, maybe decades. That means the victory is not complete by any means, but it is a start. ys pd
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THE LIVING GURU
PADA: Yep prabhu, that was my original protest with the GBC in 1979. I said a person like Jayatirtha who is: having affairs with female disciples (there was a photo); who is offering LSD to the shalgram; who is shouting and singing like an intoxicated drunk on the Vyasa; who says LSD is "Radha's feet dust" etc. is most likely -- NOT Krishna's successor. The gang of four gurus told me -- I have to accept that he is a guru because "he is living." OK well my neighbor's cat is also living, but the cat is most likely -- not -- God's successor.
It is amazing that the standard for being Krishna's successor is "he is living." The good news is, they did offer to make me the guru of Ireland -- if I would help them support drunk and disorderly wife stealing stoner-pada. At least they tried to rope me into their camp, knowing I could become a thorn in their side if I left. I also said that there is a child mistreatment problem which will lead to lawsuits if not fixed. And they said so what, who cares, go ahead and take us to court.
So I did, I had them sued for $3M in 1986, and again sued for $400M in 1999, and then they said -- why didn't you solve this internally? Because you guys ordered me to take you to court, and you booted me out and had me chased with bats. For his part Jayapataka, one of the gang of four, ran at me screaming in Los Angeles when he saw me sitting across from the temple. I thought he was going to sit his 400 lbs. self on me and my life would be over.
But maharaja, I am just following your orders, and you ordered me to have you sued. Why are you upset that we followed your orders?
Several ex-kids and even one adult took their lives when I was there, the victims just did not want to see the faces of these living messiahs one more day, they decamped from the planet. I honestly do not blame them. Sorry, my neighbor's cat is living, but he is not Krishna's successor just because he is living. Jayatirtha was later dis-membered due to his propensity for wife stealing.
Jayatirtha told people he is a resident of Krishna loka, but he is now residing on one of the lowest lokas. And the gang of four gurus helped him get there because they enabled and encouraged this foolishness. ys pd
RRB: I am here for it. This is long overdue! Thank you to everyone who is working so hard to shed light on the evil these “devotees” who have inundated the movement with this.
JKD: Oooh this looks good. Glad they’re calling out the “big guys” now like (Radhanath, etc).
PD: Yep Rudder-less Maharaja sent enforcers from New Vrndavana to take out me and Sulochana. Sulochana was taken down, but then an ex-gurukuli girl saved my life by reporting "who" the enforcer was to the FBI. So they picked him up before I was gone too. The Berkeley police said to me -- this guy was walking around my truck taking down my licence number. So I was saved from being taken out too. I told the mother of that girl that I owe her my life, and I will always be in debt to her and her daughter. ys pd
TD: Thank the Lord, and those devotees, that you, and all that you knew and could expose, were saved.
JJ: and RS was involved.
PD: Yep, Radhanath then arranged preferential treatment for Tirtha after he was arrested. They glorified Tirtha as "the best servant of Krishna from New Vrndavana." Radhanath arranged parikrama chanting around the prison etc. They were worried he would turn on them. But this was going on the whole time. Chakradari made an announcement at an istagosthi that Kirtananda was exploiting boys, and that was his end, and the real reason he had to be taken down. That is also the real reason they came after us, we were exposing this issue ... ys pd
PK: Whoa!
MD Dasi: Yeah!
GP: My hope is we the regular members - don't end up paying again for the crimes of perverts control freaks and their supporters who enacted the crimes.
SMV: Whoa!!!! About time people -- no matter who they are, are called out for abusing children in any what way.
SH: I did a Google search and and imbd search and cannot find any mention of this documentary... that's unusual even if its not finished... why is that.. surly something this important should have had some publicity and be known about somewhere on the internet..
DL: it's not available yet.
SH: I understand that but usually a documentary would be publicized before release.. I just worry after monkey on a stick amazing documentary but it is not widely available... for these documentary to do any good they need to be easily available to watch and need to be advertised everywhere. Time the world knows just what an evil cult iskcon is. Time that iskcon is known for the mass child abuse and the cover ups..
ND Dasi: legal issues
KJM: I appreciate your time, effort and commitment to this cause. Will you cover the child marriages which happened at New Vrindavan, which Radhanath Swami was also involved with? I have never heard it being addressed or accounted for publicly. Although several women have stated online that they were involved. Some of the girls, as young as 11, were married to adult men, in their 20s and 30s.
PD: Srila Prabhupada said we have to follow the local laws, and most states do not allow marriage until 18. He never said he wanted people to break the laws of the USA, or any other country.
PK: And that right there is where the deep systemic problem, cognitive dissonance lies. The kernel (as mentioned above) is safely guarded even by those trying to expose all the horrible child abuse.
SRD: Not in part one, hopefully on the next episodes.
PK: When is this coming out?
SRD: Part 1 is scheduled to be released very soon, in the next few days.
PK: amazing.
GPD: Nice one, love the title.
DD: Documentary series!!!
RD: I have to support this, because I'll always remember the frightened Gurukul Devotees who would come to kolkata, and claim abuse by Charles (Bhavananda) at that time he was an Iskcon Guru with Disciples, I can't remember his last name, actually i feel really bad for all those wonderful Devotees, Srila Prabhupad wanted Sridham Mayapur, to be the best Gurukul in the world, unfortunately Demoniac people went there to do abuse.
SRD: Bhavananda (Charles Bacis).
APD: Wow, it looks so professional and the filmography is captivating, even though the subject matter is obviously distressing. I'm so impressed by the courage and dignity of devotees who are speaking their truth.
VD: Excellent!!! Finally!
DD: wow ----- I think this docuseries will give someone a headache.... if well publicized and shared it could really leave a mark.
BB: We will send it to everyone.
AWD: Still boils the blood.
MK Dasi: Thanks for your tireless and undaunted efforts!
DD: Trailer does not show on mobile, or is it just my connection?
SRJ: I had trouble playing it on my older model iPhone but it played fine on my laptop.
KS Dasi: Jay Nitai! This is awesome! When I saw Vedasara it brought tears to my eyes. His story and many others touch my heart deeply. Thank you so much to all of those who participated in this production. Amazing. Exposing them must be done.
SGD: I feel the same about him. Really moving story.
TTK: BRAVO!!
AJ Dasi: Wow!!!!!
FLC: The title is spot on! I applaud everyone involved in this project. The bravery, strength and wisdom to take on and call out the evil that has been protected for far too long. Thank you!
DG: Intense!
YD: Just wow. Wonderful! Will it be available on YouTube or any other platforms plz?
SRD: Will be available on the website, we're still working out the details of which other platforms we can host it on.
RJD: There is no doubt in my mind that "systemic" is an apt term for encapsulating the core issue. "Systemic" is not a word to be used casually, or only understood to a point where one's moral compass starts to clash with the cognitive dissonance. Systemic means it goes all the way to the kernel.
L 08: So far it's most brave, heavy hitting investigative journalism / whistleblowing type work. Yours and everyone involved bravery integrity is admirable. But most of all it is the loss of faith and devotion of people subjected to all that from hands of so called Vaisnavas. But I am affarid for your safety after this.
Danny's being watched - London Spy: Episode 2 Preview - BBC
RF Dasi: OMG, very excited! SRD, you did it!!!
KKD: Justified anger put into action. Overdue.
AP: The only language they understand .... or do / will they?! I wonder how much money they will spend trying to get this down?
SVD: Radhanath swami already looks like a demon.
SHD: I agree no way I would want to be anywhere near him...
SRJ: I like how this documentary presents strong factual evidence that is compelling and impossible to ignore.
BW: Hard hitting, gripping cinematography. This is going to cause some major ripples in lake Iskcon and hopefully the entire community will wake up and flip the script on the recent rollback of child protection efforts. One scene I clearly remember, when Badrinarayan paraded Dhanudhar around from place to place trying earnestly to get us Vrindavan Gurukula alumni to summarily forgive him. Dhanudhara wasn’t actually sorry at all, there was no real penitence or compensation proposed and it was fake. The duo hit up Laguna Beach where I’m at prior to the scene depicted in the trailer.
SRD: To date I have never perceived any genuine contrition from Dhanurdhara for the devastating suffering he caused to so many devotee children.
SKD: We tried to warn the GBC.... Their inaction only brings more desperate public release of information like this. They have saved neither their buddies nor themselves nor the Society by their failure to take decisive action. They've done the opposite of what should have been done.
Outside condemnation will cause grievous harm to the organization, greatly hindering preaching. Even there is risk of vilification of the Founder-Acharya.
GBC has created a situation where, for their own survival, any temples without culpability may have to deny any relationship with that organization or its members. They should obtain legal advice.
GBC members: YOU did this!
SRD: I'm always amazed at how few people seem to be able to grasp this simple concept.
JS: Prabhupada’s own disciples like Jaya Advaita swami and others are vilifying Prabhupada. That’s how mad the GBC has become.
GPD: They have now organized the temples management structure as non profit LTD company's in an atempt to avoid personal liability, Understanding Limited Liability for Non-Profit Charities in the UK.
Definition of Limited Liability
Limited liability is a legal principle that protects the personal assets of the owners or members of a charity. It means that if the charity incurs debts or faces legal action, the financial responsibility of its members is limited to the amount they have invested or guaranteed. This protection encourages individuals to participate in charitable activities without risking their personal finances.
Types of Charities with Limited Liability
In the UK, non-profit organizations can be structured in different ways, each offering limited liability:
Type of Charity Description
Company Limited by Guarantee Owned by guarantors who agree to pay a fixed amount if the charity cannot meet its debts.
Charitable Incorporated Organisation (CIO) A legal form specifically for charities that provides limited liability and is registered with the Charity Commission.
Community Interest Company (CIC) A type of non-profit that can operate for the benefit of the community while offering limited liability.
Implications of Limited Liability
Protection of Personal Assets: Members are not personally liable for the charity's debts beyond their initial investment or guarantee.
Encouragement of Participation: Limited liability makes it easier for individuals to become involved in charitable work, knowing their personal finances are protected.
Legal Entity Status: Charities with limited liability are recognized as separate legal entities, which means they can own property, enter contracts, and be sued independently of their members.
Understanding limited liability is crucial for anyone involved in setting up or managing a non-profit charity in the UK, as it shapes the financial and legal responsibilities of the organization.
VW Dasi: Thank you so much for all of your hard work bringing this to light. It's about time.
DSD: hhhm only the first few seconds has video, then the video glitches for the rest of the trailer, the audio is there throughout. I tried viewing on different days and from different links. I'll try another browser.
L 08: May be time for reminder to everyone benevolent on these threads to start praying for protection of these brave whistleblowers.They are going to need it soon. This new chapter in ISKCON 's whistleblowing-few survivors daring to whistleblow at such beloved high target and this openly , that never happened before on this scale.
Just when current GBC and ISKCON 's whole system, whole body brcoming increasingly compromised by child-abuse disease. Scary thought, but it wouldn't be surprising if they react like animal sick with rabies. There has been too many years and to heavy of infiltration by pedos, it all starting to appear as terminal.
This new chapter will be scariest to watch so far. It feels like getting chance to see handful of brave ones daring to talk back to medieval Inquisition.
PS Dasi: This is very important and very helpful for the community to expose people's wrong behavior and for not speaking out about these cover up of pedophiles in iskcon. It's so disgraceful and disappointing that these things have not been stopped and I am so distressed about this I will never take initiation from them. People need to wake up what's going on.
L 08: Since devotees like to see the verse and purport with Vaisnava sources, maybe sinar can go well with the name of the film:
"" Matthew 7:15 (KJV)
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
🇬🇷 Original Greek (Koine Greek – 1st century)
Κατὰ Ματθαῖον 7:15
Προσέχετε ἀπὸ τῶν ψευδοπροφητῶν,
οἵτινες ἔρχονται πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἐν ἐνδύμασι προβάτων,
ἔσωθεν δέ εἰσιν λύκοι ἅρπαγες.
Literal breakdown (very close to the Greek):
Προσέχετε – Be on guard / beware
ψευδοπροφητῶν – false prophets
ἐν ἐνδύμασι προβάτων – in garments of sheep
ἔσωθεν – inwardly
λύκοι ἅρπαγες – wolves that seize, plunder, devour.
RGD: The trap of endless seeking. Unceasing striving. Unyielding spiritual industry. The saga of the hamster on a perpetual wheel leading up to some supposed higher peak due to wild ideas rooted in the theory of bizarre hierarchies. All this circus will end if we stop allowing the agency of ignorance from distracting the masses by steering them in the opp direction. Exposing sinister motives and designs is an awesome start! This has to be done.
SK Dasi: Thanks!
PD: Yeah Badrinarayan was parading Dhanurdar around as a saintly swami. And an ex-child -- who was one of the victims of Dhanurdra -- saw how people like Badrinarayan were parading Dhanurdar around, so he went home, and took his own life.
The Los Angeles temple managers were also part of Badri's scheme to parade Dhanurdar around. Of course Badrinarayan was also one of the people giving me the stink eye around Watseka when we helped have them sued. There is no actual support system for the victims, but plenty of support systems for the perps and their enablers. Several other ex-children took their lives in LA, getting no support from the system. One of them was the daughter of one of the lawyers who was defending the GBC, she died from an overdose. ys pd
We have reports that the documentary series "Wolves in Saffron" https://wolvesinsaffron.com is causing panic among ISKCON's high commanders and that is just the trailer. We'll start to see how they try to mitigate the damage (instead of being truthful for a change). One of the tactics is the "limited hangout" that we went to explain:
Limited hangout is a damage control technique.
It translates to Spanish as "controlled revelation" or "selective disclosure". In the context of ISKCON's GBC, the "Limited Hangout" tactic would be when an irregularity is discovered, partially admitted to satisfy public curiosity, but more harmful facts are hidden. The term originated from the CIA and was popularized during the Watergate scandal. For example, in ISKCON a leader could admit a minor ethical breach to divert attention from major crimes. How easy would it be to admit it all and fix it. But they're not interested in the truth. They are politicians, not Brahmins.
PADA: Yeah, the main wolf in question is Radhanath, the GBC's five star rated hero and most promoted leader. And -- the cause of Sulochana's departure and me almost biting the (New Vrndavana) bullet myself. The movie takes on their main leaders, so it will create a panic for sure.
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TRAI DASA
Vaikuntha center in Bologna: violence and pedophilia
(ENGLISH TRANSLATION BELOW)
Terry Conley, aka Trai das, and his wife Krishna Loka devi dasi run the Vaikuntha Center, located in Via Nadi 6 in Bologna, with the help of the inet Samuel, aka Shyama Govinda dasa, and his wife Martina Fadel aka Madhuri Manjari devi dasi. All of them are disciples of Radhanath Swami (Richard Slavin), known as "Swami" of ISKCON often associated with the events related to the 1986 assassination of Sulochan Dasa.
These two extremely shady individuals claim to organize Bhakti Yoga classes, but actually in their centre they have previously promoted pedophile and rapist Ulrich Harlan, also known as Paramadvaiti, despite being warned several times. Even worse, as for the pedophile Claudio Malaguti (Kalia Krishna das), known as “Bhakta Claudio”, they have done something much more serious: they kept him in their own Vaikuntha Centre and covered him for over 20 years.
Trai Das and Krishna Loka always knew that Bhakta Claudio had sexually abused Namahatta's son Namananda, and nevertheless allowed him to run part of their Vaikuntha Centre, allowing him to interact with young boys and families who had children. Only after Namananda reported him after 35 years as his sex abuser, and only after he was expelled from all ISKCON temples, Trai das and Krishna Loka decided to move him away permanently, exclusively for fear of losing their place in ISKCON.
Ramachandra das of Villa Vrindavana often helped them in their misdeeds, even when it came to defending husbands who beat wives. So we wonder how it is possible that Trai das and Krishna Loka were not removed from ISKCON even though they always knew and kept all these abusers hidden. Aren’t they even more responsible for putting the so-called devotees and ignorant people in grave danger, including the children who used to attend the centre, hiding these facts? Now Saints act, like nothing happened, just because everything has finally come to the light. What kind of false hypocrites are these two?
Update on Radhanath Swami
A shocking piece of information has surfaced very recently, attributed to one of the conspirators involved in the 1986 conspiracy: apart from Bhaktipada’s fingerprints, Radhanath Swami’s fingerprints are also found on the $4,000 linked to the arrest of Tirtha, who is being jailed for killing Sulochan Das in return about that money. According to the article, the public ministers were aware of it but chose to focus mainly on Bhaktipada.
The text also cites a second source, Krishna Katha, who claims Los Angeles detectives told him Radhanath's fingerprints were found on the money seized at Tirtha. This element represents another very serious tassel linking Radhanath Swami to Sulochan’s murder.
There are numerous posts by devotees saying that even devotees suffer from depression and writing long posts advocating psychological methods. Here is an interesting comment by Govinda Dasi ACBSP on this subject:
"In my humble opinion, grace is lacking in the current mission, which is a pale replica of the original mission. The main reason for this is that Srila Prabhupada's teachings are based on pure bhakti. But the teachings erroneously and illegally attributed to him in the edited books are very different from his original teachings. By removing the true teachings since 1983, depression and misery have increased.
Bhakti is a descending path of mercy, especially in this age of Kali, the mercy of Lord Chaitanya. But the current editions of the books do not teach this. They teach the path of ritual and self-redemption, not grace.
Because of this, you will see self-help seminars and yoga aspirants everywhere in ISKCON. This is the opposite path to what Prabhupada taught. Why? Because in the age of Kali, no one can succeed through the ascending paths of yoga, jnana (knowledge), and rigorous rituals and renunciation. They are bound to feel disappointed and sad.
Is there a solution? Return to the pure teachings of Srila Prabhupada, and you will find the pure teachings of bhakti. And you will never be depressed again.
Govinda Dasi
PADA: Devotees and depression, and all sorts of "devotee therapy" people like Prithu's helpmate Rambhouru, Mahatma, Pranada etc. to give us "therapy." Great, except -- aren't they the same people who crammed the molester messiah's project down our throats, and the children's throats, are they now going to save us from depression, resulting from their own program?
This is great, they make the disease, and make money, and make the cure, and still make money. Sound business idea! Yep, their molester messiah's program will cause depression, but hey -- we all knew that when they started all this in 1978.
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MADHYAM GURU
January 15, 1990: On this date in history 36 years ago, Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja, a disciple of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s sannyasa guru, confirms that a madhyama adhikari can serve as guru:
“[The] uttama adhikari [guru] can [bestow Krishna prema: unadulterated love of God upon his disciples.] But the madhyama adhikari, if he gives initiation, by practicing will show the disciple the way he is going personally, and by following this the disciple will [also] achieve Krishna prema. It can be done.” For more, see “Eleven Naked Emperors,” p. 131. http://www.henrydoktorski.com/11NakedEmperors.html
PADA: Holy smokes! The Crypto Christian Karta Bhaja Ritvik Sahajiyas are worshiping pure devotees! And therefore -- not Kailasa's conditioned souls, who can become demons! Kailasa wants OUR CHILDREN to worship his conditioned soul people who can become demons, and that is why he is writing position papers for the GBC, who has the same identical idea. The guru is a conditioned soul who can become a demon is the entire GBC siddhanta, and Kailasa's.
We need to worship people who can fall into illicit sex with men, women and children! Told ya! Why worship Jesus when we can worship: The falling down left, right and center! Worse, Kailasa says that when Srila Prabhupada says Madhyam can fall down -- and become asuras -- HE IS WRONG.
*** Thanks prabhu, yep Klub Veda Serbia is a disciple of Kailasa Chandra, who wrote the 1990 GBC paper, "Madhyam Gurus," which was distributed by Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama swami all over the ISKCON society. However, when we told Kailasa that Srila Prabhupada said Madhyam can fall down and become an asura, Kailasa said that is nonsense, Srila Prabhupada is wrong, Madhyam never falls down. He knows more that Srila Prabhupada, who says the acharya must be an uttama, resident of Krishna loka etc. and yes Madhyam can fall down.
Sorry, Madhyam does not qualify to be acharya, that is a fact. And then the GBC began to cite Kailasa, see, our gurus fall down because Madhyam can fall down. So this is called sahajiya. In addition, Kailasa joined with the Kirtanananda people saying me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas, and Sulochana said they are discredtiting us to make us targets. Sulochana said Kailasa is helping to make us targets, and we were. And Kailasa still says we are drunks and sahajiyas. So the reform to join the GBC making conditioned souls into acharyas, is not a reform, it is just recycling the 1990 GBC paper penned by Kailasa.
Kailasa simply joined with Narayan Maharaja who was also making Madhyam guru papers for the GBC in 1990. Why is Kailasa pretending to be a Prabhupada man when he is standing with Narayan Maharaja since 1990? Why is Kailasa working behind the scenes to support the GBC and NM?
Someone said, he is a double agent. Notice he is infuriated the ritviks are making the BBTI case, child molester case, poison case etc., and he is against us saying this is all bogus. "The ritviks are doing all sorts of things, we never do anything." Oh yeah, what Tamal says. Sorry the ritviks are dealing with the real issues and we are not writing position papers for the GBC.
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"PLEASE GIVE ME SANNYASA, GIVE ME SANNYASA--AND THEN FALL DOWN AND GO TO HELL-THAT IS NOT GOOD."
Shrila Prabhupada:
Therefore in the śāstra it is forbidden that Kali-yuga is very difficult to follow the rules and regulation of a sannyāsī; therefore better not to accept sannyāsa. Kalau pañca vivarjayet. Sannyāsaṁ pala-paitṛkam devareṇa sutotpattiṁ kalau pañca vivarjayet (CC Adi 17.164). Instead of becoming a false sannyāsī, do not accept sannyāsa. This is the injunction of the śāstra. But for preaching work we have to get the help of some sannyāsī, but we should remember that we are in Kali-yuga. We should not be sentimentally very much anxious—"Please give me sannyāsa, give me sannyāsa"—and then fall down and go to hell. That is not good.
That is not good. If one is able to strictly follow the sannyāsa rules and regulation, he should take. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa has said that sannyāsa, real sannyāsa, means one who does not take any remuneration for his service to Kṛṣṇa. That is sannyāsa. Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ sa sannyāsī (BG 6.1). "It is my duty. I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa. To serve Kṛṣṇa is my duty." Kāryam: "I must do it." Actually that mentality is sannyāsa. It doesn't matter whether we have changed the dress or not, but if we decide it, that "I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa; my only du ty is to serve Kṛṣṇa," that is sannyāsa.
So better we should try to stay in this determination than to accept the sannyāsa order by changing the dress and then again we fall down. That is not very good. There are instances like that, but it is not at all good. We should not trust the mind. And even we take, we should be very, very vigilant on the mind. Viśvāso naiva kartavyam. Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, (chuckles) viśvāso naiva kartavyaḥ strīṣu rāja-kuleṣu ca. "Never trust woman and politician."
He was a politician, and his wife was kidnapped. He had very bad experience of these two things, Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. Therefore he gave this injunction, viśvāso naiva kartavyaḥ strīṣu rāja-kuleṣu ca: "Never trust woman and politician." So Cāṇakya Paṇḍita was not inexperienced; he was very experienced. All the ślokas of Cāṇakya Paṇḍita—very useful for daily affairs. So similarly, we should not trust the mind, that "Now I have become liberated." Never think so. We should always remember that liberation is not so easy thing, but if we follow the rules and regulation, then there is every possibility of becoming liberated.
[Excerpt from Lecture on Smd.Bhagavatam 5.6.2 -- Vrndavana, November 24, 1976]
PADA: Dear God, please save this bewildered soul. Pranada Dasi was Satsvarupa's love interest. And I recall some people were blaming her for "bringing Satsvarupa down and ruining ISKCON." Sheesh, there is some real victim support right there!
And after seeing how so many "men gurus" fall down, get sick, and die early -- from taking karma -- now she wants WOMEN to start taking karma, so they too can get sick, fall down and die. What!
And she was gloating that Jayapataka gave her some sort of reward for her books, well OK -- but when the leader of the Aushwitz for kids program gives you a medal of honor, you are in trouble.
Now she is "appealing" to Sivarama swami to make women into diksha gurus, whooaa! If you have to appeal to Sivarama to make the right choice then -- Sivarama is NOT a guru -- if he needs your correcting and chastising! And if you really are -- the next in line parampara guru -- you would just go out and be the guru, you would not need the rubber stamp of these foolish folks. Just go out and do your guru thing! You might do better than the current lot, who knows!
But overall her mood seems to be a little bit somber, sad, morose, spaced out, depressed, and about as lively as a slug walking across my driveway. Yep, hate to say this about anyone, but someone squeezed all the orange juice out of this poor woman -- and all that is left is the discarded peel.
OK we all know who messed up her life, and it was the GBC guru clown show. Another life turned into a mess, thanks to all their psychological manhandling. I feel bad for her, honest! She wants to see women suffer the same way all these GBC men guru clowns got sick, fell down and -- died. That means she has been infested with guru -brain - eating - itus, which can be fatal materially and spiritually.
PRANADA SAYS:
I've just released a video response to Sivarama Swami.
"Unveiled: Behind ISKCON's Debates about Vaishnavi Diksa Gurus" traces the decades - long conversation about Vaishnavis offering diksa — what’s at stake RIGHT NOW as we approach the GBC meetings. The moratorium is over, but Indian leaders are not giving up.
Please watch and share it widely so this truth-filled history and call for unity reaches every devotee still waiting to be seen and heard.
* The surprising behind-the-scenes wrangling of 25 years * Leaked meeting minutes from ISKCON Indian leaders meeting * Personal message to Sivarama Swami
Unveiled: Behind ISKCON's Debates about Vaishnavi Diksa Gurus
She thinks ISKCON India is going to break away from the USA. It already has. Lokanath was told he was not welcome in the USA, and he is the biggest guru in India. Lets have them implode on themselves.
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WOLVES IN SAFFRON
PADA: This is the trailer for an upcoming series on the "pure activities" of the post-1978 GBC gurus. "Wolves in Saffron." It is really a true and good title. Had the ISKCON society been guided by ritviks or managers, and not "pure devotee gurus" this problem would have been fixed when we first brought it up in 1978. Instead the "pure devotee gurus" got rid of us and kept the mistreatment going on.
But yeah I understand the other side of the coin, this is sad when we have to expose ISKCON's dirty laundry. It makes a bad impression of ISKCON. At the same time, we cannot allow people to think ISKCON's dirty laundry is the real pure program. And we cannot allow people to become victims of their bogus guru cults, especially -- women and children.
PADA: I should work with my peers? My peers had me chased out of ISKCON and then they sent their enforcers to take me out of my body, and I was only saved by help from the FEDS.
I also had to sue my peers for mass child mistreatment. They never discuss any of this with me, they use force, restraining, oppressing and so on -- against me only. Your family is wise, do not help people who promote false acharyas, better to stop doing that.
Your shiksha, diksha gurus and peers cannot answer my points, that is not new, they cannot answer me since 1979. Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has an amorous affair with a disciple, it is the same as a father having an amorous affair with his own daughter. It is incest. And many -- or most -- of the GBC gurus have been falling into amorous affairs with their disciples -- which Srila Prabhupada confirms -- is a form of incest.
Meanwhile, Srila Prabhupada also says, the uncivilized tribal people, aborigines or cave men societies worship something wonderful in God's creation -- such as the sun, moon, a huge mountain etc. In other words the tribals, aborigines and cave men never worship an incest guru program, they worship something wonderful in Krishna's creation. Why doesn't the GBC come up to the standards of the tribals and cave men, and worship something nice and not falling down intoxicated womanizers? You, and none of them, are able to answer, that is the real point. ys pd
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KS DASI
Update on this post. I spoke with my son about the incident that has scarred him for life although he doesn’t realize it as much as I do. The other boys were not beaten. My son was singled out and beat on his back until he had welts and blood. The gurukuli in the ashram the rascal Mayapur Chandra (who has been profiled on this page for accepting donations for the Radha Kund widows but has disappeared with his wife because the money which apparently was being taken by them to travel and lead a comfortable lifestyle) was the kid who started the trouble because he taken someone’s chewable vitamins, but wouldn’t admit it so my son was singled out by this man.
No doubt Mayapur would not get in trouble because of who his father is and that is the well-known devotee Sruta Kirti das. I am incredulous that so many people on this post will defend the child abuser. My son is the kindest gentlest devotional person anyone could know. He has always been close to me and we have always been open to talking about things. I had never doubted his word. In fact I have spoken with the kind hearted ashram teacher who left Rupa in charge that day and he admitted it happened.
Of course, like all the victims of child abuse my son felt guilty but especially because he was afraid of being offensive to devotees in spite of all that he went through in this life mostly because of abuse within ISKCON. We had not spoken of this until today for many years.
He recalled how he thought about how he wished Rupa Manohar dead for the painful abuse but now at age 50 he’s just too tired of the world and has just let it go. He shrugged his shoulders and had very little reaction when I told him that Rupa had passed from this world.
I found out today a disciple of Srila Prabhupada named Rupa Manohar das passed away yesterday in Maui. He was the first devotee that caused bodily pain to my son (5 years old at the time along with 4 other boys) in the small ashram at New Navadwipa Honolulu 1979. The boys were beaten badly with a bamboo cane as they lay upon their floor beds.
Rupa Manohar was not the ashram teacher. The ashram teacher and his wife were wonderful devotees. They had left Rupa Manohar in charge so they could do some errands. When they found out what had happened they were very upset and angry. He was never allowed to be in charge of the young 5-6 years olds ever again.
The beating was the first my small son had ever experienced. He has never forgotten and neither have I. I’m aware that we have to find it in our hearts to forgive, and my son is a good example. He says he has forgiven everyone that hurt him beat him, abused him throughout his years in gurukula. As a mother, it’s more difficult for me. Understanding that this person knowingly and purposely caused pain and harm to your child is a hard pill to swallow. I pray that you Rupa will have a better birth in the next life and not beat on children.
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COWS NOT PROTECTED
When "cow protection" becomes a justification for cow slaughter.
The GBC ISKCON has a Sastric Advisory Committee (SAC)—a structure designed to protect the purity of the teachings and prevent distortions of the shastras. This is why it is especially dangerous when a member of such a council publicly promotes ideas that effectively destroy the very dharma of cow protection. This refers to the position of Hari Prashad das, a member of the SAC, who asserts that only Indian (desi) cows are "real cows," while the rest allegedly do not fall under the shastric category of "go" and, therefore, can be slaughtered. This is not a petty terminological debate. It is an ideological landmine.
What is the distortion of the sastras?
Their arguments rely on fragmentary citations from Jiva Goswami and logical treatises, where the word gavaya (forest bison) is mentioned solely in the context of a logical analogy, not a biological or ethical definition of a cow.
From the simple statement "gavaya is like a cow," they falsely conclude that there exists a category of "pseudo-cows" that can be excluded from the defense. The sastras do not define cows by breed, geography, or selection. A cow is a species, not a marketing or national construct. Otherwise, one would have to admit that a German person is "not a person," and an Indian dog is "more of a dog" than all others. Absurd.
Practical Consequences.
This philosophy has already led to tragic results: hundreds of cows have been slaughtered because someone authoritatively declared, "These are not real cows." Moreover, such ideas are publicly voiced even at GBC ISKCON cow protection conferences, where the thesis "Non-Indian cows can be killed" is voiced—and no one objects.
Who benefits? Only the cow killers. This doctrine provides religious justification for the slaughter of 80–90% of cows under the guise of "shastric accuracy." Why the "personal opinion" argument doesn't work.
A member of the Sastra Advisory Board remains an authority outside of
meetings. You can't be a guardian of the Sastras on Monday and publicly distort them on Tuesday.
If a doctor promotes dangerous quackery on his personal blog, the hospital can't say, "That's his personal opinion." Manipulating the Sastras is not a "difference of opinion." It's a sign of incompetence.
Srila Prabhupada's Position.
Srila Prabhupada never taught that only Indian cows were sacred. He wanted to import Western breeds to Vrindavan, calling them cows and demanding protection for all. The idea of "selectively sanctifying cows" is a modern invention that contradicts the spirit and letter of the parampara.
Silence as complicity.
He who knows the truth and remains silent becomes an accomplice to sin. The silence of leaders in this situation is not neutrality, but complicity in adharma.
Conclusion.
If we justify killing cows of the "wrong breed," we are no longer defending dharma—we are betraying it, hiding behind Sanskrit. Truth does not need manipulation. And a cow does not need a passport.
PADA: We always here this from the GBC people: Worship of the pure devotee is not eternal, it is a temporary arrangement. OK swell, and just what is "the eternal arrangement" then? Sure, the eternal arrangement is -- that we worship the GBC's homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals and drunks as God's messiahs and saviors of the jagat.
Awesome! Where do I sign up! Silly me, I thought we have to worship a pure devotee all this time! I am glad you GBC guys are here to re-explain the shastra for us, we never would have known that debauchees and drunks pooja is the correct process to attain Krishna. Thanks for saving us! ys pd
Heh heh heh.
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PADA: Another thing we hear all the time. That PADA guy is a lone wolf barking at the moon. No one else is complaining about our pedophile messiah's program! OK well maybe just about everyone else has joined us and -- is complaining. And that is why your temples are empty.
Oddly, the HKC Jaipur people say "none one listens to PADA." Sure! Then they complain -- actually billions of people are reading about the lawsuits we are aiding. Yep no one, ok except for maybe a few billion people, cares about what PADA says! They seem to be fighting their own shadow, it is (A) no one, then -- it is (B) everyone. Which is why Chanakhya Pandit says, you can never please the un-pleasable. Meanwhile, no one actually cares what they have to say about anything. ys pd
KRISHNA dictates to the acharya!
But KRISHNA often makes mistakes and BOGUS
and FOOLISH dictating!
Good news! KRISHNA'S ICC Bureau BOSS
will CORRECT Krishna's bad dictating!
PADA: OK folks here we go again. Hrdayananda is an ISKCON GBC approved acharya, the sum total of the demigods no less, and he only speaks as Krishna dictates. And he is -- in short -- a GBC approved diksha guru messiah who can absorb sins like Jesus.
Except, what he says is not authorized by Vedic calculations, and he is a deviant who speaks bogus philosophy. And his topmost shiksha disciple Cyril Wohrer thinks we need to dress up their pedophile messiah's club members in the local dress they wear in their country, and this will make the pedophile pooja program authorized. I am authorized to promote the pedophile messiahs club because I dress in local garb!
Anyway, there you have it, when the guru speaks -- it is Krishna's dictation. Which is why -- the India ICC has to correct the shaksat hari tvena guru, because Krishna is always giving bad dictations to His acharyas.
The good news is that Krishna Kirti is here to make sure Krishna quits making goofy and bogus statements through His acharyas, and the ICC is "Krishna's correctores" department. Krishna needs correcting, and Krishna Kirti thinks he is the boss of Krishna -- who has to correct that bogus guy named Krishna, who really is the sum total of the sum total of the demigods and everything else.
Wait till Yamaraja gets a hold of these jokers, "I am Krishna's dictation correcting boss." Umm well maybe, but you are not His boss over here on Yamaloka. Yama's hounds of hell are going to be ICC bureau's boss.
Told ya! ys pd
ISKCON ATLANTA VS PADA I know all about it, ISKCON Atlanta worships Jayapataka as their guru. And when I told JPS in 1979 there is a large scale child mistreatment program, he said -- so what -- if that is so -- then take us to court and sue us. And I have 24 hours to be out of ISKCON property. That means for starters, Jayapataka wants the child mistreatment program to continue, which it has done. And which means -- more and more children are victims of his process. Many victims told me over 50% of them are victims of -- the JPS webs, nests and infrastructure system that he has kept preserved -- against my dire warnings.
In addition, Jayapataka wants ISKCON to be sued for $3M and later for $400M, so he can buy Luis Vuitton suits, Mercedes for his lawyers, which is also what happened. Whereas, Srila Prabhupada warns us that if someone causes financial loss to my movement, they will have to pay it all BACK WITH INTEREST next lifetime. And that means Jayapataka owes Krishna hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ritvik system means, we have accountable officers with checks and balances. If there is mass child mistreatment going on, the ritviks or elders on the church council should support the whistle blowers and get rid of the mistreatment program. We do not get rid of the whistle blowers and keep the mistreatment process going on.
As for who tells who -- who is the guru -- all through the 1970s we told people Srila Prabhupada is their guru, that is the system he made. If you do not like the system he made, that is your problem. He never said we should not tell them who is the guru, or that falling people are the guru. And you are also wrong about South India brahmanas, many of them support the Bangalore program and the worship of HDG Srila Prabhupada. But since the leader of a mass child mistreatment program is the guru of Atlanta, we should be telling people who is NOT the guru first of all, before they or their children are in peril. Did I forget to mention that after following JPS orders to sue him, he charged at me yelling at the top of his lungs like a wounded elephant. I thought he was going to crush me, and he could have since he weighs 3 times what I do, all because -- I followed his exact orders to sue him. So even when we follow his orders, he does not like us. That is why Chankhya Pandit says, we cannot please the unpleasable.
Meanwhile Jaypataka's BFF pal Jayadvaita says their gurus are having affairs with men, women and maybe children, and no one from GBC side ever shows me where we find acharyas behaving like this in shastra? What we do find in shastra is, this behavior is found in monkeys, hogs, dogs, and rabbits, and not in acharyas. Can you guys actually come up with some shastra for a change? We have a parampara of animal behavior and this is found -- where -- in shastra? Been asking since 1978. Please let me know when you find the quotes. But yeah, worshiping the founder fathers of the "affairs with men, women and children guru parampara" is not authorized even in mleccha culture. This is considered as irreligion in cultured society. ys pd
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PADA: OK folks we are not going to get involved with foreign countries affairs, it is America First! No more meddling this time! Honest!
I forgot:
We are going to give billions to Israel, and loads of weapons.
We are going to make Gaza a Gambling Hotel site.
We are going to take over Venezuela.
We are going to take over Greenland.
We are going to block ships going to Cuba.
We are going to help bomb the Houthis.
We are going to make Canada the 51st state.
We are going to tax Nato countries.
We are going to bail out Argentina.
We are going to grab the Panama Canal.
We might take down Iran.
We might bomb the Mexico cartels.
We might make a 500% tariff on India.
And that is just the starting list!
There is good news, we are taking out some of the Russian shadow fleet, making it harder for them to ship oil around. Unfortunately, most of the rest of it is bad news. It looks like we went from promising non-intervention anywhere, to major intervention -- everywhere! This is not a good sign pilgrims, the world is already unstable and very shaky, and this is really lighting the fuse for worse problems INMHO.
But hey, Krishna is the REAL boss, and He is letting this all ride itself out. We have to wait and see where this ends up, but we should also know Krishna is the real boss and not be too wound up over all this. ys pd