Wednesday, March 11, 2026

Nice Bhajan / Harikesh / Cancer / Ramesvara Pipes Up etc. 03 11 26



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HARIKESHA FEET WASHING

Someone sent me a photo of a number of Harikesh's people washing his feet. Decided not to post it -- not to embarrass the people in the photo -- wherever they are today. But it really shows how Harikesha actually believed he was the messiah, and unfortunately, a lot of other people thought he was the messiah too. Feet washing no less.

The whole thing was a total messianic hallucination -- illusion on all fronts. And then Harikesha left and "blooped out" -- and says negative things about the Krishna religion. "A bad carpenter blames his tools." Very sad for him, and his followers, all of whom suffered in different ways as a result. 

And the whole of ISKCON suffers still today as a result of these messiah-wanna be programs. Hopefully some of those disciples recovered and started to worship Srila Prabhupada. But a lot of them just quit the process out of disillusionment. And that is why so many temples today are empty ghost towns. 

ys pd

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KRISHNA DEVOTEE'S CANCER UPDATE

GURU DAKSINA

Hare Krishna dear friends.

Two months ago I was diagnosed with a malignant tumor and tomorrow morning at 08:30 I will enter the operating room. Only after opening me will they be able to assess whether it will be possible to take out the tumor mass or not. This is due to the proximity of the mass to the blood vessels. So, this is a very gentle intervention and not without risks.

Your good vibes and some prayers are welcome and much appreciated. In any case, we are all in the hands of the Lord and He alone is the master of our destinies... Therefore, His will be done.

Love and Hugs to you all, Specially I want to thank my family, my son Abhay, my daughter Sattvika and my wife Damodara-priya for the encouragement and support they have offered and continue to do so during this difficult time. I also thank all those friends who have shown me their affection and offered their help.
Hare Krishna!

PADA: OK in 1978 we said offering food to conditioned souls will contaminate the food offering and make people -- physically, mentally and spiritually sick. And that has been happening in spades, and -- left, right and center. I hate to say -- I told ya! But hey, I did! There is a cancer epidemic going on here, and other assorted fatal ailments, plain and simple. ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

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RAMESVARA PIPES UP

RAMESVARA @robertgrant3088 Whoever this (Bangalore Video) devotee is, he’s obviously angry, repeating third hand information that he doesn’t have any direct personal experience about. Shame that he tries to present his bias as if it’s absolute 

PADA: Sorry. None of this is third hand, it is citing direct tapes made in 1977 with Srila Prabhupada's speaking. And later on it is well documented that the GBC's BBTI case said Srila Prabhupada is their writer for hire. All documented. We also had the GBC sued for $400,000,000 for mass child mistreatment. This was in all the newspapers and is also widely documented. 

When we had the November audio tapes first of all transcribed by a Los Angeles Bengali writer, who did not even know who Srila Prabhupada was, he said -- "this is a h*micide." In any event, you have cited no counter documents whatsoever, first hand, third hand even tenth hand. Where are your documents? ys pd

MD: Obviously angry? Really? That's all you got to say for yourself? Shame on you for still not admitting your blunders, realizing how destructive some of your decisions have been on the life of so many new devotees, and for not recognizing that whatever anger some of us may have towards you and the other ambitious self-appointed so-called gurus is well justified. 

It is said that there are 6 kinds of aggressors killing whom is not sinful. And these pertains to mundane things: one who burns your house, steal your wealth, seduces your wife, etc. What to speak of one who intentionally denies you access to the truth like you and the other 10 did to so many of us, many of whom are no longer around to remind you. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky that all you get is some anger and resentful comment like this one! 

And why do you comment here under your legal name instead of under the name Srila Prabhupada gave you, Ramesvara das? I don't think Robert Grant is the name you used when you gave class in Mayapura just a few days ago, is it? 1 

PADA: Yes, Ramesvara was having me and Sulochana hunted for elimination. I would have been eliminated -- without help from the FEDs. Ramesvara has never once asked me what happened to us -- or apologized to us -- or anything of the sort. These people seem to think they are above the process of the laws of karma and we peons are simply expendible pawns. ys pd 

RAMESVARA IS INVOLVED

HENRY DOKTORSKI: January 19, 1986: On or around this date in history 40 years ago, Tapahpunja Swami, the president of Cleveland ISKCON, flies to California and attempts to convince Yudhisthira (Jeff Cornia)--a drug addict and dealer who serves at ISKCON San Diego as the “bouncer”--to assassinate Sulochan.
Yudhisthira says he’ll do it for $5,000 by giving Sulochan a heroin overdose. Tapahpunja, a cheapskate, balks at the price and returns to Cleveland, Ohio. 

Around the same time, Radhanath Swami, the most beloved and respected sannyasi at the New Vrindaban community, visits Los Angeles ISKCON. Some say he speaks with Ramesvara Swami, the guru for Southern California and head of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, and requests the cooperation of his Los Angeles ksatriya “enforcers” to help the New Vrindaban hit men (Janmastami and Tirtha) to hunt down and assassinate Sulochan.

Soon after, Ramesvara speaks to his security guard disciple, Krishna Katha, who carries a handgun and is known to Los Angeles ISKCON residents as the “Campus Cop,” and tells him, “K. K., if you ever see Sulochan, call New Vrindaban.”
Regarding documentation: The story about Tapahpunja comes from documents in the Swami Bhaktipada Archive. 

Radhanath flying to LA in January 1986 was confirmed by a telephone call from a Los Angeles devotee to me, who said he definitely saw RS at LA ISKCON in January 1986, and he suspects his visit was related to Sulochan. The story about Ramesvara and his disciple Krishna Katha appears in the 1991 Martinsburg WV Trial Transcripts. KK testified at that trial, and those are his exact words as reported by the court. This is all noted in "Killing For Krishna."
Images: Tapahpunja Swami, Ramesvara Swami, Krishna Katha

For more, see “Killing For Krishna.”
http://henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna.html

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SRILA PRABHUPADA POISON ISSUE

ISKCON GBC: ACTIVE COLLUSION, SILENT CONSENT

The ISKCON GBC deceit and hypocrisy is extreme. They want to have it many ways at once. One, they say hair tests are unreliable. Two, they say that these unreliable hair tests were not done correctly. Three, they say that the results from these unreliable and wrongly-done tests are normal and do not show poisoning. Four, that the abnormal poison levels in the hair test results can be explained in various ways other than homicidal poisoning. Five, there was no poisoning, and there is no evidence of it. Neti, neti…

MANY persons are implicated in Srila Prabhupada’s now scientifically proven heavy metals poisoning, by willfully associating with the crime. There are three types of involvement in a crime:

(1) Direct Commission, (2) Aiding and Abetting, (3) Accessory After The Fact.
Srila Prabhupada’s criminal poisoning was a conspiracy by a few to hijack the movement and its assets for personal aggrandizement. They wanted to become absolute gurus with worship, position, power, wealth, and many disciples. As time went on after 1977, those who were involved in the crime or were aware of it were joined by many others as accessory after the fact. 

The distribution of the spoils from the takeover of Srila Prabhupada’s institution induced others to support the original poisoners, knowingly or unknowingly, directly or indirectly. Tamal, as the chief poisoner (beyond a reasonable doubt), was expert at implicating others in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada by arranging for them to sit on the acharya’s seat and take the acharya’s worship, disciples, and wealth. That is, as long as they supported the poison-party line without asking any honest or intelligent questions. Thus, the complicit sold their soul for the profits of false guruship.

Generally speaking, anyone who destroys evidence of a crime becomes, at the least, an accessory after the fact to that crime even if they didn’t actively participate in it. Further, there is the possibility of conspiracy charges. Clearing up corruption in ISKCON and the GBC is going to be a daunting task. Only by a massive purge of every one of those who have betrayed the Founder-Acharya by aiding and abetting, as an accessory after the fact, the crime of Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, will ISKCON become relieved of the maha-offenses against the pure devotee.

From the pages of the Mahabharata, Kashyapa Muni said:

"If one knows the truth but does not disclose it upon being questioned, or, if out of anger, fear, or some other motive, one gives a false reply, then he is bound up by 1,000 nooses of Varuna... If someone commits a sinful act in an assembly, then it is the duty of all those who are present to chastise the wrong doer. If they fail to do so, then the perpetrator of the sin receives one-fourth of the reaction, the leader of the assembly has to accept one-half, and all others present suffer one-fourth. A witness is one who has seen, heard of, or otherwise understood a thing, and he should always tell the truth, for in that way his pious merit will never suffer diminution.”

(1) "...one who is mischievous, he is culprit. But one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal." (SPConv May 3, 1973)

(2) Harikesh: They are being quiet. They are too afraid to say. SP: That means they are accepting. […] Quiet means... Maunam samyati raksanam. If there is some argument and you remain quiet that means indirectly you accept. (SPConv, July 9, 1975)

Everyone understands the full complicity of direct involvment in a crime. Less understood is that one the silent consenter who aids after the fact, or one who benefits from the crime afterwards- they are also complicit. For ex., not only the butcher incurs the sin for animal killing, but also one who transports, eats, cooks, sells, or raises the animal. Similarly, those who:

(1) Silently knew it was occurring but did nothing to stop it,
(2) Afterwards covered for or protected the poisoners,
(3) Accepting benefits that came as a result of the poisoning (sharing the stolen goods).

They Are Also All Guilty of Srila Prabhupada’s Poisoning.

The original poisoners implicated many others, by creating a miasma or poisonous atmosphere, by sharing the assets of Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Active collusion or silent consent- both are complicit.

(1) Aiding and abetting, (2) silent partner, (3) complicit after the fact- these phrases relate to those who knew or came to know of Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, or even those who unknowingly benefited from it. There are ISKCON leaders who came of know of the crime but unconscionably and deceptively have remained silent to protect their positions and benefits. Otherwise, why have they adamantly and unreasonably denied all the evidence and demonized those who want the truth instead of supporting an honest, impartial, open investigation?
Srila Prabhupada exposes how silence and association is collusion:

(1) “Because we are doing business, we are getting money from these rascal government, so if you expose me, then I will not get money, and if I expose you, you will not get money. Let us remain together and let them remain fools. That's all. This is it. If a common man like me can understand the whole policy, how the scientist will not understand? But they have made a compromise that ‘Don't expose me, I'll not expose you, and let us take money from the government.’ This is going on.” (SPConv 18.5.75)

(2) “A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities." (CC Mad 5.90)

(3) “Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: jani saksi nahi deya tara papa haya. 'A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities'.” (SPConv May 17, 1975)

(4) “Brahmanas [...] are generally unaware of the happenings within the material world because they are always busy in their activities for spiritual advancement. Nonetheless, when there is a calamity in human society, they cannot remain impartial. If they do not do something to relieve the distressed condition of human society, it is said that due to such neglect their spiritual knowledge diminishes.” 

(SBhag 4.14.41 Purport)

(5) "In the name of bhakti in many places people are engaged in illicit or anti-bhakti activities in the name of practicing bhakti. If one does not expose those issues (cases) very clearly, then pure bhakti will never be victorious or be established." (Bhaktivinode, Sajjana Tosani)

(6) Jagadish: If you know that someone is committing criminal activities, then if you associate with them, you’ll also become implicated. SP: Yes. Sangat sanjayate kamah. (SPConv Jan. 11, 1977)

Sins of omission are as telling and culpable as sins of commission. Silence is complicity.

It is our duty as messengers of the Absolute Truth to always stand for truth and resist corruption, starting with our own spiritual family and society. Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners must be exposed. That also means the removal of the entire current GBC-guru regime, those who have aided and abetted, covered-up the crime, profited from the crime, denied the crime. 

They fear “political regime uncertainty” that is caused by the poison evidence. This truth will be their end.

Those who have received benefits from Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning in post-1977 ISKCON (a very many persons) should meditate carefully on their situation, take measures to disengage, and not become further implicated in this great crime. Do the right thing. Why have ISKCON devotees, despite their intelligence, which can easily appreciate the overwhelming mountain of evidence clearly proving Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, go along with, acquiesce, or remain silent while their leadership perpetrates deceit and lies in ever-more sketchy cover-ups of that evidence?

Srila Prabhupada explains the important, parallel example of the Kurus like Bhishma.

(1) “…It was an open secret that Duryodhana wanted to usurp the kingdom of the Pandavas by evil plans, in collaboration with his father, Dhritarastra. Therefore, all persons who had joined the side of Duryodhana must have been birds of the same feather…” (BGita 1.23)

(2) “… According to scriptural codes, a teacher who engages in an abominable action and has lost his sense of discrimination is fit to be abandoned. Bhishma and Drona were obliged to take the side of Duryodhana because of his financial assistance, although they should not have accepted such a position simply on financial considerations. Under the circumstances, they have lost the respectability of teachers.” (BGita 2.5)

COMMENT: Bhishma, though a great devotee, sided with Duryodhana because of financial considerations and having been maintained by him, and thus Lord Krishna wanted him to be killed. Similarly, because they are attached to their maintenance and positions, all the ISKCON misleaders and senior devotees have sided with the primary suspects on the poison issue and will suffer much for this. 

Although presented with the evidence, they choose to deny even Srila Prabhupada’s own clear statements about being poisoned, just to politically favor the ISKCON ruling elite. They have acted just like Bhishma and Drona and will surely have to face the consequences for this great misdeed. Some of them have laughed at the idea of Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning. Such corrupted, dishonest persons have used fraud, lies, deceit, and total denial to cover up the conclusive evidence in this matter.

There are many levels of complicity. For ex., after a bank robbery, someone who knowingly partakes of the loot also becomes complicit. Seven persons are implicated in cow-killing, not just one who kills the cow. It is the same for the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. In the future many more persons will become complicit, so great is the contamination of this offense. Thus, increasing numbers of persons are implicated in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, though they were not directly involved in the administering or handling of the poison.

(1) Those who knew about Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning while it happened and remained silent: they are also guilty of the crime.

(2) Those who learned about the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada after the fact and remained silent: they are also guilty of the crime.

(3) Those who abetted the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada (to approve, encourage, support, or its cover-up during or after) are implicated and they are also guilty of the crime.

(4) Those who share in the material benefits (at any time after the poisoning, even today or centuries from now) that resulted from Srila Prabhupada’s removal by poisoning, are also implicated and they are also guilty of the crime. Of course, there will be differing degrees of complicity and responsibility. Even if only a handful of persons had physically poisoned Srila Prabhupada (say, the prime suspects), still, all those who took advantage of the results by assuming Srila Prabhupada’s position and exploiting his assets for their own purposes, are also implicated as guilty in the crime. 

Therefore, all the zonal acharyas and GBCs in 1978, plus all the ISKCON gurus and GBCs from 1978 until the present, are implicated in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning by aiding and abetting, even if they did not administer the poison themselves.

They are benefiting and taking advantage of the poisoning of the Acharya. They are complicit after the fact and guilty of collusion with the crime.

(5) Those who know about Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning but have always kept it secret and denied it, are as guilty as the actual poisoners themselves. They have aided and abetted the crime.

(6) And those who come to understand the evidence that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, but do not adjust their lives to conform with the truth, they are also complicit.

(7) Also, those that know nothing of the poisoning, but have heard of it and did nothing to verify the truth in it, or those cooperating with those who have benefited from it, they are also complicit. Any pleas that they are just trying to help spread the movement for Srila Prabhupada, do not have time or interest in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning issue, will also not excuse them from some complicity.

ISKCON leaders have lied to us about Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, and they lied to us about a whole lot of other things as well. Some of these other things we already know about, as discussed later. Interestingly, they all refuse to reveal their personal finances or assets.

CONCLUSION

Once some momentum grows with an enlightened lower tier of institutional leaders who can see the truth in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, senior leaders will begin to capitulate by “coming clean” and making excuses for their negligence and ignorance. That day cannot come soon enough. Those who make public apologies may be forgiven, but they can never be trusted again as leaders.

“The first and worst of all frauds is to cheat oneself. All sin is easy after that.” (Bailey)

The GBC created false narratives about diabetes, poisoning from medicines, covered up the evidence with sham “investigations,” never questioned the suspects, suppressed and forbade legitimate efforts to properly investigate, endorsed the 1978 guru-jacking, and has protected the poisoners. The entire GBC body is complicit in this horrific crime.

And they have hair samples and teeth from Srila Prabhupada which would settle the poisoning issue once and for all, but they have hidden this evidence and refuse to allow tests on them. An honest GBC would have long ago arranged for these tests to be done by law enforcement or neutral forensic testing laboratories, just to affirm the truth one way or the other. Their course of action is classic obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, false testimony, and constitutes clear complicity in the crime of the millennium. Throw them all out!

“You are maintaining offense personified, Duryodhana, as your infallible son, but he is envious of Lord Kṛṣṇa. And because you are thus maintaining a nondevotee of Kṛṣṇa, you are devoid of all auspicious qualities. Relieve yourself of this ill fortune as soon as possible and do good to the whole family!” (Srimad Bhagwatam 3.1.13)

Note: All these involved if that is you as well, wake up

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Chaitanya Charitamrta Adi Lila Ch. 4 (Hand written notes) 

The two transcendental entitities Radha and Krishna are a puzzle presentation to the mundane-cheaps. The above description of Radha and Krishna by Srila Swarup Damodar Goswami is nut-shell explanation of the two and it requires a great spiritual talent to understand the mystery of these two Personalities. 

One is enjoying in two as internal potency. Shri Krishna is the Potent factor and Srimati Radharani is the internal potency. According to Vedanta philosophy there is no difference between the potent and potency and both of them are identical.

We cannot differentiate one from the other as much as we can separate fire from heat. Everything in Absolute is inconceivable in relative existence. In relative cognisance it is very difficult to assimilate this truth of oneness between the Potent and Potency. The philosophy of inconceivable one and different propounded by Lord Chaitanya is the only source of understanding in such intricacy of transcendance. 

In fact however Radharani is the internal potency of Shri Krishna and she is eternally intensifying the pleasure of Shri Krishna. Impersonalist cannot understand it without the help Mahabhagawat devotee. Radha the very name suggests that she is eternally the topmost mistress of comforts to Shri Krishna. As such She is the medium of transmitting living entity's loving service to Shri Krishna. 

At Vrindaban the devotees therefore seek the mercy of Srimati Radharani in order to be recognised as a living servitor of Shri Krishna. Radharani supplies the necessary strength of service for Shri Krishna. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu approaches the fallen conditioned souls of the iron age in Person to deliver the highest principle of transcendental relation with the Lord. (Srila Prabhupada)

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Well there ya have it folks.

Tuesday, March 10, 2026

Hrdayananda replies / Torben Update 03 10 26

HRDAYANANDA FALL OUT CONTINUES

SRD:

 The following are some exchanges I had with HDG that followed my letter.


In the photo HDG with Sivaram Swami, who also campaigned dismantle ISKCON's CPO as it was, and to defend Laxmimoni, BVP, Keshava Bharati and a number of other individuals accused of child abuse.

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Hare Krsna,
I just noticed that Brahmatirtha prabhu edited the list of recipients and most of you were cut out from the last messages I exchanged with HDG. I am adding them here for your reference, I put Maharaj's message in bold.

If we are to give due consideration to the fact that the egregious mishandling of Sapna's case by the GBC Executive Committee, CPOC and Champakalata constitutes the travesty of justice that it really is, and that HDG has personally contributed to this mess with his campaign to dismantle the CPO, Maharaj's current unwillingness to help Sapna is that much more concerning.

Please note that in his last message HDG effectively concedes that his claim/accusation that Kamlesh acted both as the judge and investigator in the case of Laxmimoni was inaccurate.
Given that Maharaj publicly slandered the character and professional integrity of Kamlesh with false accusations, I invited him to do the honorable thing and offer a public retraction and apology.

I hope HDG will take my suggestion under serious consideration.

S Dasa


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HDG's first reply:

Hare Krishna S Dasa,
Your state:
"In recent years you have vigorously campaigned to discredit and undermine the credibility of the ICPO and its director. Your efforts contributed to the disbandment of what was, in my opinion, the most qualified CPO team ISKCON has had to date.”
Truth: I made no effort to disband an entire CPO team. My comments on the ICPO director were based on very extensive research which I presented more than once to the GBC. There was very solid evidence. Since you have offered no refutation of that evidence, your sweeping generalizations about my motives and logic are insubstantial.
You also state:
"You have consistently maintained that your involvement in the Laxmimoni case was motivated exclusively by concerns about due process. In other words, we are asked to believe that your intervention was driven by a desire to correct institutional injustice.
However, if that were the case, I would have expected that you would have been at least as invested to make sure that the new CPO system and staff be objectively more qualified than the team you fought so hard to remove, but we haven't seen any such concerns from your part.”
Your argument is basically that if I expended energy in the LM case, but did not expend equal energy in several other cases, then my motives could not be sincere. Normally, in analyzing the logical validity of an argument, one can state the argument in more general terms to check its validity. So the argument basically is this:
If there are a number of problems in a related area, and a person with knowledge of one such case raises procedural objections, but does not expend the same amount of energy in all similar cases, then the person’s motive in the first case cannot be sincere or unbiased.
This can be stated as an obviously false claim: Whenever a person tries to correct an apparent injustice, that person’s motives are sincere if, and only if, that person expends an equal or similar amount of energy in every analagous case. This is true regardless of the person’s available time, health, other duties, or familiarity with the circumstances. This is an absolute rule without exceptions.
I will leave all the recipients here to draw their own conclusions.
With best wishes,
HD Goswami

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S Dasa:

Maharaj,
I cannot speculate what your intentions may have been, but what is obvious is that the outcome your efforts, is that they contributed to the disbandment of the best CPO body ISKCON has ever had.
And now we have a CPO that is, in my view, significantly less qualified.
Let's forget about your motives, do you take responsibility for the consequences of your actions?
Are you willing to do anything to fix this mess?
I addressed your inaccurate claim Kamlesh had served as both the judge and the investigator in the same case, and the only point your raised was that Akuti wasn't interviewed, and I pointed out some weaknesses in what little evidence you provided on the interview.
If you want to make available more evidence, I'd be happy to look at it.
With regards to your unwillingness to help Sana, I am simply pointing of that the contrast of your investment in the case of Laxmimoni, who happens to be your friend, and your lack of interest in Sapna's case, doesn't lend credibility to your claim than you're exclusively motivated by a desire for justice.

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HDG wrote:

“He (Kamlesh Krsna das) may not have officially been the judge, but he clearly was involved in deciding what evidence was admissible, and who could testify. That is the role of the judge. So based on my research, yes—officially or unofficially—he was the judge”.

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S Dasa:

These are some interesting claims you are making.

Can you provide any evidence to substantiate them?
If you were more familiar with how the CPO actually works, or used to work, before you took your bureaucratic battle axe through it that is, you would know that your accusations are both uninformed and unfounded...
The judges for Laxmimoni's case, as with all CPO adjudications, were selected by the case manager, Laxmimoni was given the opportunity to refuse any judges she believed would be biased against her.
The director has one job:
Singing off on the final decisions of the judges.
That's it!
The director doesn't sit with the judges to discuss the merits of the evidence, witnesses the allegations or the sanctions.
I am curious to know if you would ever consider extending a long overdue public apology to Kamlesh Krsna Prabhu for slandering him in front of the entire society.
"When an honest man realizes that he's mistaken, he either ceases to be mistaken, or he ceases to be honest".

PADA: Yep, Brahmatirtha (Bob Cohen), Mahatma Dasa, Kalakantha, and the Gainesville / Alachua gang in general, support Hridayananda. And he says they were young and immature, which is why we had all these problems. 

OK there are hundreds of millions of young, foolish and immature folks all over the planet, but none of them EVER thinks it is a good idea to have their society's kids worship: homosexuals, pedophiles, perverts, criminals, dope heads, Vodka drunks, porno swamis etc as "God' messiahs" like their program has done. 

This is really not about mature or immature, it is about what is moral and not moral. Did I forget to mention us "dissenters" to the homosexual and pedophile guru parampara (from Vaikuntha?) -- are maybe banned, beaten, sued and -- killed? I personally am glad I stuck up for Vaikuntha, and not their pedo-loka gurus. 

I might eventually get to Vaikuntha sooner or later, they will not get there for many kalpas, or many lives of Brahma, if then. They are insulting the residents of Vaikuntha by linking them to the most abominable lusty pigs and dogs gurus imaginable, and that will not be tolerated by Lord Yamaraja. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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TORBEN UPDATE

PADA: OK Torben Nielsen and Ajit Krishna dasa had PADA kicked off the ISKCON history forum because I was "making offenses" to their senior leader and guru Bhakti Vikas swami. OK and BVKS is a sannyasa disciple of the Auschwitz for kids Mayapur leader Jayapataka. 

And when a person is voted into their homosexual and pedophile guru program, Torben tells me "BVKS is a strict follower." Well yeah, he strictly follows the homosexual and pedophile guru process, true dat! 

BVKS spokesman Jayadvaita says their gurus are having illicit affairs with men, women and maybe children. Now Torben is lecturing us on what is the bona fide line, and what is not, while he has been promoting their BVKS "illicit sex with men, women and children" acharyas line. I am very proud to announce that BVKS line is avoiding sex with goats acharyas in their line, because yes, in fact they do have some standards for God's messiahs!  

For his part Ajit Krishna NOW says he will now NOT name who is guru is. Yep, probably no doubt because his guru is in the Auschwitz for kids guru sampradaya. Or what? 

Having said that, yes the Siddha Pranali line is not authorized, and moreover they "hold a grudge" against our line. So these quotes are a good collection. Credit to Torben this time!

It is amazing how some of these scholars like Torben, Sridhara Srinivasa etc. will split hairs with me over some obtuse technical points, while their guru sampradaya has less moral codes than "The Servants of Satan Church of San Francisco." Sheesh! ys pd   


ISKCON History by Torben Nielsen

ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA VISITS BHAKTIVINODA ṬHĀKURA’S SON LALITĀ PRASĀDA ṬHĀKURA

THESE ITEMS ARE VERY, VERY PRICELESS THE PAGES ARE IN VERY DECREPIT CONDITION

"I am in due receipt of your letter from Calcutta dated June 12, 1972, and have appreciated the contents. I am especially pleased that you have stayed some days and got the tapes of Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura for posterity.

If you send them to Śyāmasundara immediately he has all facilities here to transcribe them, and get them printed immediately. As for the manuscripts, you can call Saccidānanda from Vṛndāvana, he can write in Bengali very nicely and can type also with Bengali typewriter. Tell him to bring the Bengali typewriter with him and type everything on good paper.

But best thing is, I have asked Yādubara to come there to Bīrnagara from Bombay for photographing all of the manuscripts in the possession of Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura page by page very completely before it is too late. The pages are in very decrepit condition, so best thing is to request Lalitā Prasāda if we may take care of them by treating them against insects and storing them in a tight, dry storage place where they may be preserved for future generations of Vaiṣṇavas to see the actual handwriting and words of such great saintly persons.

Treat this matter very seriously and thoroughly, and take all precautions to protect this wonderful boon of literatures forever. Yādubara may photograph every page, never mind Bengali or English or any other language, and later we shall see where to send the copies to different places. You also write to Yādubara at Bombay in this connection and request him to join you in Bīrnagara immediately.
I have also written him.

These items are very, very priceless and are a great treasure house of Vaiṣṇava lore, so be very careful in the matter and take all precautions to guard them."

Prabhupāda letter to Acyutānanda, 12th June, 1972

Yes, that is nice, you may continue to photograph all of the manuscripts of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and other great ācāryas in our Vaiṣṇava line, but for now do not photograph anything of Lalitā Prasāda's manuscripts. When I go there I shall see. First of all let us see Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's works, then we shall see further."

Prabhupāda letter to Yādubara, 29th July, 1972

"Regarding Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura, as I have advised Acyutānanda above, unless he keeps his promise than we are not interested to publish any of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's books. That animosity against Guru Mahārāja is going on, so we shall have nothing to do with it."

Prabhupāda letter to Jayapatākā, 22nd July, 1972

"Regarding Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's manuscripts, immediately we do not have any program for printing them. You keep them carefully and when I return I shall consider the matter. The translating work can be done both by Rāmānanda and Nirañjana in Benares."

Prabhupāda letter to Yādubara, 21st August, 1972

"I am pleased to hear that the song books and tapes of Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura are in New York for being edited and distributed."

Prabhupāda letter to Acyutānanda, 28th June, 1972

"N.B. I have just now got one letter from Acyutānanda Mahārāja from Māyāpura, and his plan is to photograph all of the original manuscripts of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura which are held by his son, Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura, in Bīrnagara.
This is a very, very important work, so I think you are just the right man for going there with Acyutānanda to make photos of each and every page of the old manuscripts as they are in very bad condition."

Prabhupāda letter to Yādubara, 20th June, 1972

NEXT YEAR THIS: I REQUEST YOU NOT TO SEE HIM ANY MORE

"Now, one thing is I understand that in the past you were visiting Lalitā Prasādajī and that you may also be planning to continue to visit him when you return to India. This is not approved by me and I request you not to go to see him anymore. He holds a grudge against my Guru Mahārāja and even if it is transcendental it will gradually appear mundane in our eyes.

Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction."
Prabhupāda letter to Gurukṛpā and Yaśodānanda Svāmīs, 25th December, 1973
"That's all right, you can forget the Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura chapter for the time being.

Let it be and help Girirāja with the construction work in Bombay immediately.
When I return to India in October I shall see what is the situation and we shall consider further. Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura also wants to consult with me so I shall do that." 

Prabhupāda letter to Yādubara, 6th August, 1972

I DON’T KNOW WHERE THESE IDEAS ARE COMING FROM

"One thing is, Śrīmān Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura has not fulfilled his promise to give us that place in Bīrnagara for our ISKCON Temple. So I don't want you to mix with him further. I have just got one letter from Ācārya dāsa, wherein he requests to live with Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura for taking instruction from him. I do not like this idea; I don't know where these ideas are coming from.

No one should go there anymore.

Let Yādubara take his photos as he has taken so much trouble and they may be valuable for the future, but besides Yādubara no one else should go there, and Ācārya dāsa should not go there either."

Prabhupāda letter to Acyutānanda, 29th July, 1972

THEN THIS: LALITĀ PRASĀDA ṬHĀKURA HAS NOT FULFILLED HIS PROMISE

"I am in due receipt of your letter dated June 16, 1972, along with two tapes and one book. The book contains some derogatory remarks about my Guru Mahārāja, therefore we shall having nothing to do with printing it. In fact, since Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura has not fulfilled his promise to give us that Bīrnagara land for our ISKCON center, so we shall not have any more to do with printing any books by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura or anyone. Try to induce him to fulfill his promise, otherwise we want nothing more to do with the whole business."

Prabhupāda letter to Acyutānanda, 22nd July, 1972

"Regarding your questions, no, the descendants from Advaita are to be considered as dvijabandhu, that is, unless they are like brāhmaṇas, that is, very highly qualified to know the higher values of life in the Vedic traditional way, so in that way even he is long descended from Advaita, unless he is qualified he cannot be worshipable.

Nityānanda has no seminal descendants; his son Bīrbhadra was never married.
If someone said he is descended from Nityānanda, that means from one of his disciples. These persons may be given some respect, but they are not equal to Advaita. Dvijabandhu means son of a brāhmaṇa father but without the qualifications. Similarly, there are Advaita-bandhus."