ISKCON's Banu Swami: Listening to Srila Prabhupada is Bogus Ritvik Idea 10 20 25

bhanu.swami@pamho.net

PADA: Banu Swami now claims that the reason the ritviks are bogus is because -- they have people listen to Srila Prabhupada's gayatri tape, and the ritviks are not getting gayatri from the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children / homosexual and pedophile / guru parampara. In other words, Banu is very worried people will be listening to the voice of a pure devotee -- and not his pedophile messiah's club's voices. In short, Banu is saying -- listening to Srila Prabhupada's tape is a deviation and is verbotten. 

How can Banu's program keep having people come to Vrndavana to worship their pedophile samadhi's club, if they are worshiping the ACTUAL pure devotee's samadhi instead? This is very worrisome for Banu's pedophile's samadhi group, there will be people drifting off to worship a pure devotee and that would harm their sexual predators of minors samadhi's program.

This is very unfortunately their whole platform, do not listen to the pure devotee, you will become contaminated, you must listen to the deviated parampara's folks exclusively. Then you will really be contaminated!

Well at least Banu admits -- he thinks listening to tapes of pure devotees -- and not his illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara of debauchees -- is a serious deviation. Of course, the Banu program is famous for saying -- worship of the pure devotee is "the bogus Christian ritvik idea" because -- same thing, the Christians don't worship pedophiles and predators as their messiahs. 

Worse, Banu's program will spend $20,000,000 suing anyone who worships a pure devotee, and they will hire lawyers to shut down a child protection forum on Facebook. Anyone who wants to stop children from worshiping predators must be stopped by Banu's program! Of course the Banu program already tried to stop me and Sulochana with .45 slugs. 

Banu Swami is still promoting the idea that a conditioned soul can give diksha, and absorb sins like Jesus. Nope. Srila Prabhupada says only an uttama has the brahmana tejyas which can burn off sins. And anyone else who attempts to take sins will become contaminated, and indeed Srila Prabhupada says these false gurus will eventually become degraded. Worse, these false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions. And so are the followers.

Banu's GBC folks wrote a "Parallel Line of Authority" paper where they essentially said -- both tracks are bona fide: Srila Prabhupada is one track, and their homosexual, pedophile, intoxicated, debauchee, porno swami, machine gun swami et al. -- guru process -- is the other track, and both are equal and parallel. 

Really? That means Banu does not have a clue that a pure devotee's guru line and a debauchee's line are not equal and parallel. Where does Srila Prabhupada say worshiping Banu's illicit sex with men, women and children guru system is the same as worshiping Krishna's guru system? He is just making things up as he goes along. None of this is EVER stated anywhere in shastra.

Umm wait, one track on the Banu guru process goes to heaven, one track goes to hell, good question, how are they equal? Even any average hamburger eating person knows, worshiping Jesus is probably a good idea, whereas worshiping the town drunk who is chasing skirts -- ok not such a good idea. Banu does not even know what the hamburger people know by now? There is no parallel anything here. What are they even talking about, less than kanisthas are to be juxtaposed with uttama devotees as parallel.

Now Banu is saying we are mainly a shiksha line, which is also like the ritvik idea, where neophytes are acting as agents or postmen for the acharyas. Sounds good! Oooops! Unfortunately, as soon as ISKCON finds out people are promoting the idea of neophytes acting as agents for the acharyas (or ritviks), and not promoting conditioned souls -- if not debauchees -- as Jesus-like diksha gurus, they are banned, beaten, sued and sometimes killed. 

Meanwhile, most of the maybe over 100 gurus the Banu GBC has made -- have got very sick, fallen down, and many died prematurely from taking sins and committing offenses. Banu has been encouraging these deviated neophytes to take sins, so he is part responsible for making them suffer and fall down. And create all sorts of chaos in the process. And the followers do not get their sins resolved. OK all this is called cheating.

Every day the ISKCON temples chant the samsara prayers to the guru, which in Banu Swami's ISKCON includes: persons engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children; homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis etc. This is the program Banu swami says is acting as an electrical conduit to Krishna? 

We think -- not so much. He has no idea what is a bona fide connection to Krishna and what is not. How can we say an uttama is a conduit to Krishna, and so is a drunken womanizing guru parampara also a conduit? Where is any of this stated in shastra? Banu just ad hoc makes up stuff one after the next. 

A guru program full of deviants is not connecting anyone to God, and that is why Banu swami gets "voted in as guru" into the GBC system in 1990, just when we are suing his "conduit to Krishna" program for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. He thinks this is all valid and authorized evidently. In 1990 he should have joined us and said hey, all this child starving, beating and raping program is -- not only bogus but dangerous. Instead, he becomes the star scholarly defender of their program.

He says the GBC now needs to write another "guru position paper" to correct its previous bogus position on guru. You mean -- gurus are deviating left, right and center, and then have to sit around and write bogus position papers on what is bona fide behavior for gurus? And the previous paper is bogus and needs to be corrected, because gurus write bogus documents. They are gurus, therefore, what they write is -- bogus -- and needs re-dos over and over. Why is Banu establishing that the guru's writings are -- faulty and bogus?

They are gurus and they do not even know what a guru is? 

Then Banu swami says we should see the GBC gurus as Madhyam gurus. Maybe. But Srila Prabhupada says that the Madhyam can fail and become an asura, so the Madhyam should not be taken as a liberated soul. He says a sadhana bhakta is a type of uttama, no -- because he does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins. Of course now we are mixing Vodka and illicit sex gurus with Madhyam, which is another classic GBC bait and switch mistake. There is no connection here.

Nor does the Madhyam have prema, so he cannot give prema. Banu merges all this together with no clarity. "We are all postmen and so is Srila Prabhupada," he claims. You mean, Banu's guru people who are drinking Vodka and having sex with half dozen women -- are on the same postmen plane as Srila Prabhupada? 

He is conflating / telescoping / and confusing these terms. Banu says any persons giving instructions are a type of guru, yes that is called shiksha guru aka the agent or ritvik system. That means he cannot claim to be a liberating sin absorbing uttama guru. 

Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada says we cannot offer bhogha to conditioned souls, but this is done all the time in Banu's ISKCON. That is why Jadurani said they have become a bhogha eating society. Banu is a big scholar, who has never even understood the difference between bhogha and prasadam. 

Then again, offering bhogha to illicit sex deviants contaminates the food with a debauchee beeja, which explains why there are so many scandals, if not violence against women and children, going on all the time with the Banu program's followers. Yep, another female victim who exposed her abuse is now getting DEATH THREATS from the Banu program's followers. These people are lower than animals and this is -- a conduit to Krishna?

Banu keeps trying to say that the Madhyam is qualified to give diksha and absorb sins like Jesus, but this was never stated by Srila Prabhupada. Moreover, it looks like many of his alleged Madhyam diksha gurus are falling into abominable behaviors, which means they are not even lower level kanisthas. 

Banu just merges all this around without making it clear, people who are engaged in abominable behaviors are less than kanisthas, and are thus not authorized to even become temple bhakta program residents. They should not even be allowed to live in a temple. 

But nope, they are guru postmen too? How it possible that less than kanisthas should be claiming to be taking sins like Jesus, and be God's postman? And now Guru Prasad is arguing that Giriraj's getting oral sex from a female disciple is because he went senile. No, he went back to what he always was, a lusty conditioned soul. He was never a guru.

Banu swami says other guru paramparas, like the Madhavas, consider Madhva to be the deliverer, not the local village guru. But the ritviks are bogus, because they consider Srila Prabhupada to be the deliverer. Oh wait, I forgot, Banu has people eating bhogha offered to his homosexual and pedophile sampradaya, which will deliver the followers but -- to hell. Srila Prabhupada told me personally, if we change his bhogha offering system IT WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED by Krishna. 

Banu does not even know what prasadam is or is not. But then again, there may be a reason he wants people to eat his homosexual and pedophile beeja contaminated food, so he can pollute the ISKCON society.

Banu has no idea what it means to worship a deliverer acharya. He says the other sampradayas can do that, but we cannot or we will be bogus ritviks. Well yup, how will Banu's program get people to worship those voted into their pedo and porno sampradaya if they worship Srila Prabhupada as their deliverer? 

Basically, his whole lecture is full of contradictions. We can worship pure devotees as the deliverer, that is bona fide, except -- anyone who worships Srila Prabhupada is a bogus ritvik -- because then they are not worshiping the GBC's homosexual and pedophile samadhi parampara. And they should be sued for $20,000,000 to stop them from worshiping Srila Prabupada. That means he is arguing with his own shadow. 

Anyway there you have it, anyone who listens to a tape of Srila Prabhupada is bogus, because they are not listening to tapes of Banu's illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Told ya! The only good news is, someone asked him, isn't his postal peon idea the ritvik idea? The bad news is, he answers by saying it is bogus to listen to a tape of a pure devotee. 

We have to listen to the tapes of deviant people in Banu's homosexual and pedophile samadhi program if we want to be delivered, and we will be delivered, to hell. Banu says it will take 20 years to fix ISKCON. Nope, in 20 years the temples will be all owned and managed by Hindus, and there will be no GBC managed ISKCON. The GBC is handing over ISKCON to the Hindus, whom Srila Prabhupada says, are hodge podge, and maybe 50% of them eat meat etc. Banu's program does not want ISKCON to be fixed, they want it to go full Hindu, and it is.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

Banu's program is still promoting their best star child abuser on their calendar. Naturally, victims of Banu's program have been infuriated with this calendar, for good reason. It does seem like the Banu program is always trying to poke a stick in the eyes of their victims, and this is being done constantly and consciously. Why is the Banu program always doing this -- to pour vinegar into the wounds of their victims? One victim told me "these people are sadistic and evil monsters, just like the people they advertise on their calendar." Well yep. ys pd

Nandini Writes PADA / RE: Monkey On A Stick 10 19 25

Haribol Puranjana Prabhu,


Thanks for sending your review of the movie. You asked me to feel free to comment. First of all, a 100 minute movie cannot expose all the motives and scandals of ISKCON. We would need at least ten episodes. Also, making a movie is worse than writing a book. When we write a book, we can rewrite a sentence. But when we make a movie, we work with the footage we have.

PADA: OK well the whole issue since 1978 is -- what did Srila Prabhupada actually order? That is the issue that Sulochana focused on, that these 11 gurus had not been appointed as gurus. Because making mundane men into gurus caused most of the other problems. That is the root problem. 

But the movie goes to hear from the leaders of the bogus appointed guru program, which demonized Sulochana to set up his murder, and gives them most of the 100 minutes real estate. They also did not work with the footage they had, most or almost all of mine was deleted. 

As soon as Sulochana came out with the bogus appointment tape, he was assassinated. In other words, Sulochana was exposing the false 11 gurus, and that is why he was taken out, and I was almost taken out. And I would have been taken out -- without help from the FEDS. 

I was telling Mukunda some of this at a Sunday feast and he changed the topic and asked me "how are the samosas"? OK he was making a joke when the topic is banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating people. He thinks his program is a comedy show, and he still does.

Thus, the whole reason why Sulochana was murdered was not clear in the movie, and offering all the bumbling statements from Hrdayananda, Bhagavan and others did not even mention the root cause issue. Sulochana was murdered because he was challenging what he called "the big lie." Nobody seems to know what the big lie he was fighting is -- from the movie -- or from Subhananda's words in the movie etc. Sulochana's entire cause celebre was not made clear.

These guru gurus are often saying "we only followed Prabhupada's orders to be gurus" starting from 1978, and they still say that now. And that was a lie and that is the entire reason Sulochana and me were targets. That could have been mentioned somewhere in the 100 minutes, why was this person murdered? The movie does not follow the book, Bhagavan, Hrdayananda, Subhananda, and yourself and others are barely or not even in the book.

What was Sulochana saying that made him such a threat to the leaders? Instead, much of the 100 minutes real estate was given to the very self same false appointed guru leaders, who were demonizing us. Clearly they got much more video time than me. Again, these guys were not even hardly mentioned in the book. 

Two flaws that kinda bother me: we used footage of Jacob Young saying something to the effect, The Swami found an abandoned building with a sign that said Matchless Gifts. We all know the place was empty because it was up for rent. Prabhupada rented the storefront shop and an apartment upstairs in the back of the apartment complex. I went there once, and the man living in Prabhupada's apartment invited us in and gave us a tour.

PADA: OK this is a detail that hardly no one else actually cares about. Just like many other details were presented that had nothing to do with the actual story -- the monkey who was killed and on a stick.

The other movie flaw that bothers me is the drug smuggling segment, we used footage where author John Hubner says the devotees wore dhotis and chanted on their beads when they went through customs in Pakistan. That's just not true, and would be dangerous. In reality, they wore business suits.

PADA: Again, the gurus were up to their necks in all sorts of illegal and / or fraud businesses, including drug businesses. They were having devotees collect money for "Mother of Mary's Home for the Blind," which did not exist, and that was tape recorded by Federal agents. 

And that is why they were busted by the Syracuse Federal court in 1980 for massive fraud. Again, has nothing to do with the reason Sulochana was offed. And it is not important to me which guys did what illegal business. 

All of them were colluding to make a vast variety illegal businesses. Which one was doing which, and which one was busted for what, is not that important to me. Again, not mentioning why Sulochana was murdered is the thing that bothers me and many others. Yeah the gurus were making illegal business, because their whole claim to being a guru was illegal. The root was not exposed.  

The movie is based on the book, Monkey on a Stick, and we did our best to follow the book. The book begins with burying Chakradhari. The movie begins there. We covered the drug smugglers as John Hubner and Lindsey Gruson wrote about it in their book. Also mixed in was my point of view because I worked in the PR office during those years, and wrote a book about it.

PADA: No, the people being given most of the 100 minutes were not in the book. The fact that Chakradhari, and Sulochana, were exposing Kirtanananda's erotic behavior with boys is not emphasized in the movie either.

Yeah, but I told the movie guys the book was not totally accurate and also was not telling the actual reason Sulochana was offed. The book was defective in various ways and I told them that. But the main people who spoke for a long time were Bhagavan and Hrdayananda, again -- they were not ever a big part of that book, except they were promoting Kirtanananda as a guru. The people who were hardly even mentioned in the book got the most of the air time. That does not follow the book.

And these GBC guru guys still say they -- and Kirtanananda -- were the 11 appointed gurus, and no one challenged that lie in the movie. It looks like the same fools who claimed to be gurus in 1978 were then annointed as the movie's main authentic and reliable speakers. And they were not challenged about all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders that came from their program -- in the movie, never mind the bogus guru appointment. They were given softball questions.  

Pd, your interview in the movie is a great contribution. You explained things honestly and well, and I liked the cinematography with your image reflected in the 1980s television. We are grateful for you taking part in the movie. Also, you have to give the movie credit for not bending a knee to the ISKCON gurus, sannyasis, or GBCs. We interviewed one guru on Zoom for background, but he lied to our faces. We decided not to have him in the movie.

All that stuff doesn't bother me, but the things you said about Mukunda Goswami and Steve Gelberg (Subhananda das) are just not true. They were not in on the guru conspiracy. 

PADA: Subhananda was part of ISKCON until 1991-2? Surely that means he knew about the murders, Jayatirtha's beheading, and numerous other scandals. But no one is allowed to stay in ISKCON for two seconds if they challenge the bogus appointed guru system, in fact those of us who challenge are in all sorts of trouble immediately. He was part of the system, or he would have been exiled out forthwith, like all the rest of us. 

We do know Subhananda writes a bunch of scrambled up materials about "the confusion after 1978," "the controversies" etc. -- but we were never confused, we knew these guys were fraud "associates of Krishna" from day one. 

Subhananda was for sure writing in favor of the 11 at the beginning, and Ramesvara and other GBC were promoting his "Guru and Disciples" book which he wrote about (GBC) gurus and disciples. Mukunda was also 100% sold out to the GBC gurus, and he was saying Kirtanananda is a great devotee and we were offending him in 1986, which Sulochana said -- is painting a target on us. 

Sorry they were hand maidens to the GBC guru system. And I am not sure if Subhananda has ever explained that the 11 guru process is a hoax? He says he had to leave ISKCON because of all the corruption, and now he does not follow the religion, but a sincere devotee continues on with Krishna with or without ISKCON. That means he was connected to the corrupt people and not to Krishna.  

Steve didn't know about the corruption until he read an early draft of my book in the 1990s. 

PADA: There were countless bad media stories EARLY ON about ISKCON all over the media starting with: the Laguna bust; the Syracuse case; Hansadutta's farm raided; New Orleans murder of Catur Bahu; Hansadutta shooting up downtown Berkeley; Jagganath Suta's LA newspaper expose of the women's collecting party; Jiva getting shot (an inside job); Satsvarupa's mad paintings, headaches and taking all sorts of pills; assorted guru sex scandals; porno swami cases; assorted child molesting out croppings; and a host of numerous other cases, and Jayatirtha and others falling down, which were a direct result of the corruption. Anyone who did not know this is all corruption was living in a pipe dream, and Mukunda still is, he still acts like he did nothing wrong.

Mukunda had more insights into what the gurus were doing, but he was not in favor of it. Yes, we covered up for the drug smuggler busts, Hansadutta's gun violations, and some of the BS coming out of New Vrindaban. Mukunda wanted the GBC to excommunicate Kirtanananda and New Vrindaban. 

PADA: Well yeah, after Mukunda had us excommunicated, and thus one of us is murdered, then all of a sudden he wants to clean up the blood and dead bodies in his propaganda apartment before the police arrive. He was only interested in covering his own trail that leads from the murder to him excommunicating us. 

He wanted to save his own a**. But he never writes to me and apologizes for his role in making us targets, instead he gets voted in as a co-guru with the entire homosexual and pedophile messiahs club that bans, beats, molests, sues and murders. And he just acts like he did nothing wrong. And his getting voted into their system, validates their system, and means he is one of them.

But when the gurus killed Sulochan, that was too much. They expected the PR office to cover up their crimes, no matter what they did. The gurus used the PR department, and we all quit. Steve Gelberg left ISKCON in 1987. Dave and I left in 1988. Mukunda is still in ISKCON, but moved out of America and retired from the GBC in 1992.

PADA: OK well Sulochana did say he has to be murdered before anyone would take notice of his complaints -- that there are homosexual pedophiles and other deviants in the ISKCON guru seat, and he was right. Yeah Mukunda creates a crap storm and then "retires." Subhananda writes for them and leaves. Then he blames the religion. How handy.

I'll explain my memories of Sulochan, and his contact with the PR office. In 1985, Mukunda assigned me to keep track of Sulochana when he was in L.A. For example, if Sulochana called our office, we immediately put him through to Mukunda. Sulochana was a friend of the PR office. 

Sulochana donated bags of pendants to help us raise money. I sold the pendants to devotees at Watseka. It was our responsibility to keep Sulochana safe. Mukunda wanted to cool things down, not make it worse. Nobody in the PR office wanted Sulochana to die. It never occurred to me the gurus would murder him for exposing their secrets.

PADA: Well our immediate probable demise occurred to me and Sulochana. He told me we have to split up -- me to stay in San Francisco -- and he goes to LA, or they will take us both out at once. He also said, I will probably never see you again, prophetic last words he said to me. 

It was well known to us -- we were targets. And he also said Mukunda and co. excommunicating him placed a bull's eye on his back. The Berkeley Police also told me, they are out to kill you guys. I had to call the police station every day, just so they knew I was still living. OK most sane people knew we were targets. This was only a surprise to the people living in the GBC guru bubble, who also had no comment when we reported mass child abuse and other crimes. They were in denial.

One last thing I want to add. When we were filming the show last year, I talked to a lot of old ISKCON friends. Those who are still related with ISKCON deny everything that happened in the 1980s. I could sense some of them know what happened, but they pretend like it didn't happen, and won't talk about it. I'm glad the movie exposes ISKCON's crimes, even though the movie has imperfections.

Ys, Nori

PADA: Yep. When Ravindra wanted to remove Kirtanananda, "300 Prabhupada disciples" wrote a petition saying if Kirtanananda goes, they will also go. And they did go. That means they wanted to promote the worship of their homosexual and pedophile messiah, and not Prabhupada. 

And they hated those of us promoting Prabhupada, and a lot of them wanted to kill us and they would write nasty things to me. That means they wanted to promote pedophiles as messiahs and we were blocking their plan. And now a lot of them are in denial about the whole series of events that they co-created. 

As far as the movie exposing crimes, well yeah it does that very well. But how did this all happen, i.e. the false acharyas, is not clear. It is like a giant unsolved mystery show, which never solves the mystery. Instead it makes the people who created the criminal regime, and co-caused all these crimes, the prime spokesmen. 

The people who created the false acharyas (and thus the people who orchestrated the regime of the crimes) are the people who co-made the criminal regime, interviewing them as the authorities on this topic, simply creates a false narrative, and more confusion. We do not interview Jack the Ripper to make him the leader of the "save the women" committee. Anyway, the movie does not follow the book. I talked a lot about Hansadutta and that was a large part of the book, and it was not included.

Meanwhile the real problem is, we are all rotting in the material world. And the only way out of the material world is to worship Krishna. To make it sound like Krishna wanted and ordered homosexuals and pedophiles to be appointed as His guru successors, makes Krishna look bad and will turn people away from Krishna. And it is doing that. That is why I wanted to have it explained that, this was never what Krishna wanted. 

And I said that to the movie people, but did not get to say that in the movie. I feel totally let down by them. They gave the floor to the people who were causing us to be hunted and murdered, never mind all the child abuse and everything else. That means, the movie compromised with the evil doers and suppressed us, which is how we all got to this stage in the first place. 

ys pd

 angel108b@yahoo.com   

Well so much for the big giant "negotiated peace plan." Lasted a few hours at least. ys pd

Monkey On A Stick Update / Italy Scandals Update 10 18 25

MONKEY ON A STICK UPDATE

krishna1008: Steve Gelberg and Nori Muster ICSA conference

PADA: Yes prabhu, this Monkey On A Stick Movie was a failure. Sulochana was murdered -- but for what reason? He was exposing the 11 gurus, by releasing the bogus appointment tape, the letters, other documents and etc. And he was exposing the mass child abuse. OK, he was saying -- these gurus had NOT been appointed, and now we had the written and audio evidence.  

So we had to be stopped, therefore the GBC's gurus all ganged up and conspired to demonize us. The reason was clear, they wanted to stop us, and hopefully orchestrate a hit on us and have us "blasphemers" eliminated, and we were eliminated. This was all highly planned and calculated by them. Except, by watching the Monkey movie, no one knows the exact reason for any of this. 

A blasphemer is supposedly Krishna's enemy, and therefore a sincere devotee of these 11 pure devotees is more or less, or de facto, authorized to stop an attack on the great 11 guru's sabha. Mukunda swami and the other GBC were saying -- Sulochana is making severe offenses to a great pure devotee like Kirtanananda. OK they, which means all of them, were setting us up to make us targets. Subhananda was another one -- acting as Ramesvara's defense lawyer, ok setting us up as targets.

So then, the Monkey On A Stick movie supressed my testimony -- giving the whole reason Sulochana was eliminated, i.e. he was exposing the bogus guru appointment. Instead, the movie gives the speaking floor to folks like -- Hrdayananda and Bhagavan -- two of the main pillar people whose program is calling us offenders and blasphemers, to make us targets. 

In other words, the Monkey movie gives the main speaking floor to the people who co-orchestrated the murder, and suppresses our testimony (me and Sulochana's) which explains what Sulochana was doing i.e. WHY was he murdered in the first place? He was exposing these false gurus. 

The movie is supposedly a tribute to Sulochana, but gives the main speaking floor to the people who co-conspired to get him eliminated. OK it more of less glorifies the people who helped get him murdered, by making them the authorities on the topic. Sulochana's view is nearly cancelled out. 

Therefore yup, let us give the main speaking floor to - the false gurus -- the same identical people who demonized us "dissenters" and thus co-orchestrated the murder. These are the people who should be given most of the time in the movie. And we get shoved down and not allowed to explain the real story. 

We should let the gangsters explain why whistle blower victims of their gang are murdered, and not let the victims and whistle blowers explain why they are being murdered. That helps the gangsters and not anyone else.

Thus! No one know what actually happened here by watching the movie, instead the persons involved in the conspiracy to have us taken out are given the floor to explain the whole thing. We wanted the people who co-made the murder happen -- become the people to explain the murder? Of course, they had no part in it. NOPE!

Sulochana's voice was eliminated almost entirely. No one knows what he was saying, and thus -- why he was murdered. Yup. It is ANOTHER false propaganda giant cover up. OK another cover up to add to many others. Neither did the Chakradhari story come out clearly, he was exposing that Kirtanananda was having sex with boys, that is why he was taken out. 

I explained all this kind of stuff to the movie guys, and yet none of this was allowed to be in the movie itself. OK these 11 guru guys are not, were not, could not have been gurus, and that is why we were made into targets. Instead we have all sorts of rambling on about everything else -- except the real root issue. This was an insult to Sulochana, his whole idea was never explained. And worse, the people who helped orchestrate / de facto coordinate his murder are the primary speakers. Which is a double insult to injury. 

So this is really basic common sense. If you want to know what happened in a murder case, you don't give the main interviews to the criminal people who co-caused and orchestrated the murder to happen -- to present their explanation / side of the story. You don't make Jack the Ripper the person to look for lost females in the neighborhood, that only helps make more victims. 

OK the false prophets explaining will be full of false excuses, lies, prevarications, deception, and -- justification for their having us banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. Which is basically what happened in this movie, the criminal's view was presented as factual -- and our "dissenting" view was -- pretty much eliminated wholesale. 

Did I forget to mention, these GBC guru folks are the same party that Srila Prabhupada complained, had poisoned him? And that too was explained to the movie people, and that too was totally eliminated out. In short, the criminals got the last word. That is worse than a failure, that is helping these criminals. 

OK this movie was basically another false propaganda program to direct or de facto benefit the molester messiahs project, and to erase, oppress and suppress Sulochana's view -- who never gets the credit he deserves, for exposing these criminals. 

The criminals always get the last word, Sulochana's words are cancelled out. This is criminal in itself. In sum, Sulochana's view is cancelled out, the view of the cadre who helped have him assassinated is presented as factual -- and the actual truth of the matter gets buried -- and the false guru cadre gets away with their crimes -- again.

ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

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ITALY SCANDALS UPDATE 

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There is a testimony video here, it is too big to put on the blog video.

Attempted murder at PRABHUPADA DHAM, in the “cursed temple”: the testimony that shuts down the Italian ISKCON (ENGLISH TRANSLATION BELOW)

This is the gruesome testimony of Mariana Verocai, known in the movement as Mangalay devi dasi, devotee Brazilian Hare Krishna suffering from multiple sclerosis, victim of an attempted murder perpetrated by the criminal Marco Pizzo alias Muraricaitanya dasa, martial arts master on the run today in Mayapur (India).

The scene of the crime is the infamous Prabhupada Dham temple in Tribogna (Genoa), which we have already renamed with full merit “the cursed temple”, theatre of years of abuse, manipulation and immorality. The main accomplices of this inhuman act are Francesco Brambilla (Gopinatha dasa) and his wife Danesvari devi dasi, true puppeteers of a corrupt and ruthless system; together with them Claudio Scatolini (Keshava das) and Govardhanapuja, the financier of this barrack of criminals disguised as devotees.

The audio of Mariana Verocai, enclosed as a direct proof, represents an unprecedented testimony in the world of ISKCON: a voice that reveals the darkest side of an organization that chose to protect the carnivore and persecute the victim. Mariana was deceived, threatened, isolated and finally kicked out just for reporting the immediate violence.

A sick, defenseless and devoted woman, abandoned by those who preach compassion but act with cruelty. This incident is yet another slap in the face to truth, justice and genuine bhakti, now stepped on by those who use Krishna's name to cover up their crimes. As if it wasn’t enough, today's leading the Genoa temple is the French Marie-Hélène Glasheen, alias Malini devi dasi, known manipulator, already active in the United States as a co-founder of the controversial Satvatove group.

From America she has now come to rule Genoa, continuing the same spiral of deception, control and psychological abuse that has devastated dozens of devotees in Italy and around the world.

As reported in the article at this link

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/217949136646547/posts/1344911930616923/

#harekrishna #iskconitaly #stopabuse #justice #truth #srilaprabhupada #bhaktiyoga

PADA: Someone asked me to comment on Satvatove. First of all, charging people money for some sort of personal growth / psychological help / therapy is almost asking for trouble. What happens if I pay to get help, and do not think I was helped. Well that happens a lot in the paid personal growth business. 

You are going to have unhappy customers, that is a given. So it is better to give free advice and if people benefit, that is good, and if they don't, they cannot complain to having lost any money. PADA gives free advice, some love it, some mildly like it, some dislike it, some hate it, but no one complains they lost money by listening to PADA, because it is free. 

Srila Prabhupada did not want us to charge money for classes, and that is perhaps one of the reasons, it is going to produce unhappy customers who will raise a stink. And they will complain they were manipulated and etc. As far as Malini goes, it looks like she has made many serious enemies. And there is probably a good reason for that, at least as it seems to PADA. ys pd    

Monkey On A Stick Comments / ISKCON vs Chat GPT 10 17 25

Oh oh, where did some of my servants go?

Yikes! To the material world.

I have to get them back here to My world,

somehow or other.

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Monkey On A Stick Update

October 16, 2024: On this date in history 1 year ago, the movie “Monkey On A Stick” is released in Canada. The movie premiered that evening at the Scotia Bank Center in downtown Toronto. The director, Jason Lapeyre, is a Canadian film director, producer, and screenwriter, best known for his 2012 film “I Declare War,” which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival and won the Audience Award at Fantastic Fest. “Monkey on a Stick” is a feature-length documentary exposé of the criminal activity that took place in and around the Hare Krishna movement in America in the 1970s and '80s, adapted from the 1988 New York Times bestselling book of the same title.

https://norimuster.com/writing/monkeyonastick.html

To: angel108b@yahoo.com
Hi Puranjana,
Hope you are doing well.
This morning I stumbled into your website on this page about me:

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/01/steve-gelberg-and-nori-muster-icsa.html?lr=1760110099584

I tried to post a comment, but am apparently not a member of your website. But I would like to post something there, and wondered how I could become a member.
Or you could posted it there in the comments with my name.
Thanks, and yay for Monkey on a Stick winning an award!
Nori

This is my comment:

Thank you for the summary of my time in ISKCON, and thank you for your kind words about my documenting the crimes of ISKCON. The eleven guru system was a farce, and after I read Monkey on a Stick (1988), I realized the crimes of ISKCON were systemic. Regarding Steve Gelberg (Subhananda), he was caught up in ISKCON for 17 years, and left a year before I left. 

Then we reconnected as ex-member friends. Steve has spoken out to expose the zonal gurus, and help people leave ISKCON without guilt. He also appears in the documentary Monkey on a Stick. Regarding Mukunda, he was conned into that job by the criminals in 1977, and we shut down the PR office in 1988. Mukunda moved to New Zealand, then Australia. He retired from the GBC and the Ministry of Public Affairs in 1992. Now my most important ISKCON friends and mentors live free, good lives, and I do too. But guess what happened in 1992? Anuttama picked up the torch and revived the PR cover-up, which we had abandoned out of shame. Why would anybody want a job like that?

PADA: Thanks for the comment. Yeah Subhananda (Gelberg) was a big cheer leader of Ramesvara at the beginning, and he was actually writing papers to support the 11 gurus, and that means -- he seems to have had no idea that conditioned souls cannot be worshiped as good as God. Ramesvara was subsequently "dating" a minor aged female student, which went on for a long time, and evidently the whole community knew about it, but nothing was ever done about it. Ever. That is because it has been truly dangerous to challenge "God's living representatives." 

I think the only reason Ramesvara left was, after the Sulochana murder he was worried he would be fingered as an accomplice. The problem has been, almost no one wanted to say -- the emperor has no clothes, to the peril of ISKCON, and to that female student -- who has tons of problems ever since, and still does now. 

She never got any support from anywhere, and now she is now in a big financial mess, and meanwhile Ramesvara is being served as some sort of highly advanced / royalty / divine soul in Mayapur. Guys like Subhananda set all this into motion by their initially promoting these guys as messiahs. He could not put his bogus guru genie back into the bottle, but to his credit at least he tried something.

Sure, later on he realized he had been duped, but he seems to blame the religion instead of blaming himself, because he is the person who co-sponsored all these deviations, not the religion. A bad carpenter blames his tools. The religion never supports the idea that conditioned souls should be worshiped as messiahs, rather the religion condemns that process in spades. He never seems to mention that properly? 

The Monkey On A Stick movie was a failure in my opinion because it allows people like Hrdayananda, Bhagavan and others to speak on behalf of the religion. Which is like asking David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Charles Manson to speak about the real purpose of Jesus' teachings. These are the main people who promoted deviating from the teachings. You mean to say Bhagavan, the main leader of the Croome Court chloroform used by child predators cover up -- represents the religion? Sorry, that is just nuts on steroids.

I was allowed a few 3 second sound bites here and there, which took all the rest of my comments out of context -- and created more dis-information than information. Everyone who watched the movie told me how botched it was, and how GBC friendly it was. It missed the whole point basically, these people were never appointed, and ended up mainly as another propaganda show for bad information. My point about how none of them were appointed as guru was not made clear whatsoever. In fact, I never got to make one clear idea in the whole movie, the speaking floor was almost all handed off to the long winded speaking of -- the leaders and their hand maidens.  

Mukunda was conned into working for the 11. Well maybe, but at Nuremburg it was established that persons taking bad orders from bad people are still accountable. Worse, Mukunda was one of the people on the 1986 Justices Committee team working with me and Sulochana, and I could just tell he was giving us a line of BS the whole time. He was just playing with us.

Then he helped have us excommunicated -- ok maybe -- to set us up for assassination, which happened. Then after he co-creates a banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murder of devotee's program, he handily "resigns from being a GBC." Great, now no one can ask him what the hell he is doing with all this, he has copped out. I resigned from the Third Reich SS just before the war ended, that makes me free of reactions. Nope.

Mukunda was their writer, along with guys like Jayadvaita, Ravindra and Satsvarupa, and Sulochana said they are the Joe Goebbels of ISKCON. But yeah, now Anuttama is doing the same snow job. In any case, I am sorry that people misunderstood Srila Prabhupada, he says conditioned souls cannot be gurus. 

That point was never clearly understood by almost cent percent of his followers, and that caused all of these evil reactions. But you personally did what you could, and I give you a lot of credit for bravely speaking up, when 99% of the men were acquiescing in silence. You were much more brave than all of the "kshatriya men" put together. Bravo.

Making comments on blog post can be done by anyone, they just have to send me an email and tell me which article they are referring to. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com      

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CHAT GPT VS ISKCON

ISKCON Gurus: A Complex Debate on Purity, Karma, and Liberation

​A deeply contentious issue within and surrounding the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) is the spiritual standing of its current initiating gurus. The question of whether they are "pure devotees" capable of eradicating the karma of their disciples and guiding them to liberation from samsara (the cycle of birth and death) is a subject of ongoing debate, involving complex theological interpretations and differing views on the instructions of ISKCON's Founder-Acharya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

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​The Role of a "Pure Devotee" Guru:

​In the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, of which ISKCON is a part, the guru holds a pivotal role. A "pure devotee" is understood to be a liberated soul, free from the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, and ignorance) and having an unalloyed, selfless love for Krishna. According to the teachings, such a spiritual master has the potency to act as a transparent medium for Krishna's grace.

​The destruction of a disciple's karma is not seen as the guru personally absorbing the sinful reactions in a vicarious manner. Rather, a qualified guru, through their own purity and connection to the disciplic succession (parampara), guides the disciple in the process of sadhana bhakti (devotional service). This practice, particularly the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, is believed to purify the heart and burn away accumulated karma. The guru's grace is considered essential in empowering the disciple's efforts and ensuring their spiritual progress toward liberation.

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​ISKCON's Official Position

​ISKCON's governing body, the Governing Body Commission (GBC), has established a system for authorizing initiating gurus. According to the GBC, these gurus are considered "bona fide representatives" of Srila Prabhupada and the parampara. The official stance is that as long as these gurus strictly adhere to the teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada, they are acting on the "liberated platform." This implies that their authority and ability to guide disciples are derived from their faithfulness to the Founder-Acharya.

​ISKCON's official literature and leadership do not necessarily claim that all its current gurus are eternally liberated pure devotees in the highest sense of the term from the inception of their devotional life. Instead, the emphasis is on their role as dedicated servants who are following a prescribed spiritual path and have been entrusted with the responsibility of initiating and guiding new devotees. The process of becoming a guru in ISKCON involves a recommendation and voting process by the GBC, as well as mandatory training.

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​Criticisms and Alternative Perspectives

​A significant segment of critics, including former members and reform movements like the ISKCON Revival Movement (IRM), strongly contest the legitimacy of the current guru system. Their primary arguments are:

1) ​The "Pure Devotee" Prerequisite: Critics argue that according to Srila Prabhupada's own teachings, a guru must be a pure devotee, a liberated soul. They point to instances of ISKCON gurus who have "fallen down" (deviated from the strict principles of Krishna consciousness) as evidence that they were never qualified to be gurus in the first place. The argument is that a "bound" soul cannot free another bound soul.

2) ​The Interpretation of Prabhupada's Instructions: A central point of contention is how Srila Prabhupada intended for initiations to continue after his physical departure in 1977. Critics, particularly the IRM, advocate for the "ritvik" system. They believe that Srila Prabhupada appointed representatives (ritviks) to initiate disciples on his behalf, and that he intended to remain the sole initiating guru for ISKCON. From this perspective, the current gurus have usurped a position that was not granted to them, and therefore their initiations are not valid.

3) The GBC's Authority: The practice of the GBC appointing gurus by committee is also criticized. The traditional view, as highlighted by critics, is that a true guru is self-effulgent and recognized by their spiritual qualities, not by a managerial vote.

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​The Question of Karmic Deliverance:

​For those who adhere to the critical viewpoint, if the current gurus are not pure devotees, their ability to deliver their disciples from samsara is fundamentally compromised. The argument is that without the spiritual potency of a genuine guru, the initiation process is a mere formality and the guidance offered is that of a conditioned soul, incapable of severing the bonds of karma.

​From ISKCON's official perspective, the spiritual deliverance of the disciple is contingent upon the sincere following of the guru's instructions, which are themselves a faithful representation of Srila Prabhupada's teachings. In the event of a guru's fall down, ISKCON's position is that the disciple's connection to the broader tradition and to Srila Prabhupada remains, and re-initiation is not necessarily required. However, this has led critics to question why a direct connection to Srila Prabhupada as the primary guru is not the standard practice from the outset.

​In conclusion, there is no single, universally accepted answer to this question. For a faithful member of ISKCON, the current gurus are duly authorized and capable of guiding them to spiritual perfection, provided the disciple is sincere in their practice. For critics, the current system is a deviation from Srila Prabhupada's instructions, and the gurus, not being pure devotees, lack the spiritual authority to destroy karma and grant liberation. The issue remains one of profound theological and practical significance, shaping the spiritual lives of many within the Hare Krishna movement.

Bhavananda / Badrinarayan / Radhanath and Tirtha 10 16 25

JD: Is this Alfred Ford's Home for Wayward Acharyas?

October 16th, 2025

BHAVANANDA CHILD ABUSE IN ISKCON / PART ONE

Bhavananda das, one of ISKCON’s original eleven successor acharyas (who lied about being appointed as such by Srila Prabhupada), is widely known and documented to have physically and sexually abused children and minors in ISKCON. Although there was a Child Protection Office investigation into his crimes, the outcome was hamstrung by an ISKCON leadership inclined to sabotage revelation of truths in these matters. 

In April 2023, Dhira Govinda das was asked: “Did the CPO investigation you supervised in the late 1990’s only scratch the surface of Bhavananda's sexual escapades?” His reply: “YES.”

There are perhaps dozens more cases of known and alleged Bhavananda sexual molestation, child rape, victim trafficking, and organized child exploitation, all never investigated. He ranks far higher on the scale of evil than Jeffrey Epstein. 

Why? Because at least Epstein only dealt with women over 15, paid them well, and did so in luxurious settings. Bhavananda, however, was responsible for hundreds of children from age 4 and up, and he knowingly engaged pedophiles and child sex abusers as their teachers and caretakers. It can be described as a pedophile club with support from the church clergy. He personally sexually abused children at least as young as 12, and it appears much younger (alleged but unproven).

This is worse than the Catholic Church’s priest culture of homosexuality and child sex molestation scandal. And somehow Bhavananda has avoided his due reaction for his gross and massive harm to so many children. It is as though Bhavananda has a power of immunity from his own stars. 

Of course, karma may be delayed but is ultimately never denied. The CPO’s “restrictions and rectification plan” was all they could do, but it amounted to practically nothing. How do you rectify a life-long child abuser? He never was properly investigated, never accounted for all his misdeeds, never went to jail for even a day. And walks around freely to this day!

If he did not prey on children under 13, he may technically not be a pedophile. But many unverified and persistent claims online say he was definitely a pedophile, sexually abusing younger children. Maybe his main interest was teenagers and young adults. Perhaps, due to lack of a full and comprehensive investigation, he was a pedophile, and not “just” a post-pubescent child sex abuser. 

It is safe to say that maybe 95% of his child abuse (physical and sexual) is still undocumented, uninvestigated, and unpunished. The “restrictions” and sanctions given by the very limited CPO year 2000 investigation were but a slap on the wrist. In real life, in outside society, Bhavananda probably would have been incarcerated for life.

“To me it is clear that Bhavananda did engage in sex with minors. However, his primary sexual attraction was to adult males, or, teenage males who already had adult bodies. That doesn’t mean necessarily that he never engaged in sex with prepubescent children (boys or girls). It does mean, though, that from a clinical point of view, he wouldn’t be labeled as a pedophile. Based on activities it can certainly be said that he committed egregious child maltreatment, vicious child abuse.” (Dhira Govinda das, former CPO director, 2023)

Then we saw an Apr. 14, 2023 email from Saraswati dasi, a campaigner for abused children’s justice, sent to a long list of members of ISKCON North 

American Regional Governing Board:

“The TOVP is currently raising funds in North America. Why are you allowing a project led by child abusers to be promoted in North American temples? The TOVP has two notorious child abusers (Satadhanya and Bhavananda) at the helm. Until the TOVP completely removes them and publicly issues a statement reflecting this, no ISKCON temple who values child protection should allow the TOVP one square foot to promote their project. Anything less reflects a leadership who is ambivalent about child safety, protection, and who turns the other way at child abuse. Bhavananda's CPO decision from 2000 does not mention all his abuses:

“(1) Dhira Govinda was the first ISKCON CPO Director and he said: ‘Starting in 1998, the CPO received lots of comments and allegations, regarding Bhavananda. All sorts of very slimy, sleazy accusations, including raping boys… my subjective impression in regards to Bhavananda is that there is a whole lot more, that didn’t get into the Official Decision. And again, after some span of time, based on the testimonies and accusations we received, we processed the case.”

“(2) Around 1984, Bhavananda removed M das at the age of 12 from the New Govardhan gurukula in Australia. He brought M das traveling with him and sexually abused him (sex trafficking). He brought M das to the rural ISKCON farm community called New Gaudadesh, where M das burnt down a house [sauna]. The temple president was Krodesvara, and the police took M das away for questioning. Days later a detective said the boy had admitted to being responsible for the fire and that he was being molested by Bhavananda.

“Achyuta recalled that ‘Bhav was bitterly angry, spoke quite viciously about [M das]. He was adamant the boy should be prosecuted.’ …and M das was sentenced to prison.”

“(3) Bhaktavatsya said when she visited her son at the Vrindaban gurukula, he had a ‘scabbed over 3 inch cut on his neck’ from Bhavananda ordering the teachers to scrub the boys’ necks until they bled. (late 1970s/early 1980s)

“(4) Vimuktasanga said, ‘I was in Mayapur from Europe in 1975. We all found out straight away that [Bhavananda] had recently been caught, doing it with boys in the goshala.’

“(5) Sattvic said he was with Pippalai in Mayapur when Pippalai witnessed Bhavananda sexually abusing a boy. Sattvic said, ‘The next day a group of sannyasi headed by Tamal came to the Goshala and heavies out poor Pippalai. He was practically forced to leave Mayapur. Next thing I know is that Srila Prabhupada asked Bhavananda to go on the boat program and follow the caturmasya. That was it.’ 

Rukma said, ‘I was in Vrindaban in 1976 when Pipalai Prabhu arrived there in a very sad state. He said he had to run away from Mayapur with no Laxmi, because he had caught Bhavananda abusing a very young Indian boy in the Goshala. Pipalai believed that after that terrible discovery then the temple authorities wanted to cover it up by killing him and therefore he was very afraid for his life. He stayed with me in my room since we were good friends from NY Henry Street temple.’

(6) One of the women who worked with the students of the India gurukulas said she ‘found 20 children with syphilis in their mouth. Bhavananda would prey on children.’ (END PART ONE)

Your Servants,

JFSPF Team

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PADA: Thanks for sending prabhu. Yep, Badrinarayan Swami seems to be falling apart and sleeping at the GBC meetings. Even he must be tired of defending his homosexual and pedophile guru brotherhood for his entire adult life. Yes, agreed, his pedophile guru project is worse than the regular Joe karmi samsara dava -- fire of material existence. 

Children caught up in Badi's samsara program are often going to get burned 1,000% worse than regular samsara fire of karmi life's existence. Correct. That is why a number of them committed suicide and a number of those still alive have severe trauma. That is what happens to children in Badri's samsara project.  

Bir Krishna says he loves to hang out with Radhanath, whom Henry Doktorski says, had a hand in Sulochana's murder.  

PADA: Yeah it looks like Badrinaryan dasa is not doing well. He seems to be saying, "can someone wake me up when this meeting is all over"? He is sleeping maybe because -- he knows the GBC is just recycling their same 1978 idea around and around in circles, i.e. illicit sex with men, women and children, homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, porno swamis, people having sex with half dozen female disciples, orchestrators of murders -- and perverts like Bhavananda -- are commonly found in the chain of Krishna's successors, and he is just tired of hearing that same horse manure crap over and over. Yep, these leaders look washed up, wiped out, old, tired and fried, agreed. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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Right. A number of ISKCON child victims told me that while the leaders have all been living like opulent Saudi Princes -- many kids had no shoes, or bad shoes, not enough soap, not enough food, not enough medical treatment, and fully disqualified hired hands to care for the children, if not bad hired hands. In other words, ISKCON's wealth was siphoned away from the children's needs and over to a small elite group of leaders, while the children were given a few left over table scraps of the wealth of the society, the bare bones left overs. The opinion of some victims told me, this is a society that cares tremendously for the few elite leaders, and not the citizens, including or especially children. 

And some of them recently said -- nothing has changed -- it is the same now, the same big leaders who orchestrated taking away our funds for themselves -- still have opulent situations now, and us victims have to struggle to make rent. The care of children is a society wide issue, the parents need to contribute of course, but so do the leaders and elders who are in charge of the society. It takes a village to raise a child, and when the village chiefs steal the money supposed to be allocated to the children, the children will not get the care they need. One victim told me -- this is like North Korea, the leaders get big giant feasts every day, while we had to eat soup made from weeds. And Kim Jong Un was in power then, and he still is. ys pd

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RADHANATH AND TIRTHA

October 1, 1989: On this date in history 36 years ago, Radhanath Swami (in Pune, India) writes an inspiring letter to Sulochan’s murderer—Tirtha in prison—and explains: “Without a goal worth dying for we have nothing worthwhile to live for. Any shallow creature can speak these words. Very few most fortunate souls have the courage and integrity to engrave these words within the heart of hearts and remain faithful in the face of life and death.”

In the same letter, Radhanath glorifies Tirtha’s book, Meditations on the American Gulag, which Tirtha had written in prison, “Your beautiful book is THE MOST POPULAR BOOK amongst your godbrothers and godsisters in India. It is even more sought after than any other book.”

Why did Radhanath write these words? One possible reason Radhanath was attempting to give Tirtha the courage and strength to accept life in prison and not rat out his co-conspirators, like Radhanath himself.

For more about this topic, see “Killing For Krishna,” p. 390.

http://henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna.html

Dayanidhi / Sivarama on Ritviks / Rukmini Help / Hansadutta 10 15 25

RRD: Dayanidi Is in Greece. Not Italy.

AD: The attached photo shows Dayanidhi at the Tribogna temple just a week ago, proof that he keeps coming back. As for all the scams he pulled at that temple, they’re public knowledge. Most of them date back to his time as president, which lasted until around 2020, when Prabhu Das took over. After 2020 he was sent to Athens by Madhusevita, as already mentioned in the post. Do your homework! 

FD: What difference does that make? These leaders always have their enforcement followers (spies) in different places who keep a lid on things as they order. 

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SIVARAMA ON RITVIKS

PADA: Sivarama is still saying that his illicit sex with men, women and children; and / or homosexual and pedophile guru parampara folks -- are fit to be gurus -- and making "their own disciples." It is somewhat amazing that Srila Prabhupada says -- the guru must be a resident of Krishna loka, whereas Sivarama swami thinks the residents of Krishna loka are engaged in mundane lusty affairs. Which means, he is insulting the residents of Krishna loka since 1978.  

OK these gurus are: residents of Krishna loka, rati keli assistants of the gopis, as pure as Jesus -- and as pure as the rest of the gurus in the parampara, and thus they can absorb sins acting as a diksha guru, and take us to to their home place of residence on Krishna loka. 

Wait? They cannot even resolve their own sins, never mind other's sins. And then again Sivarama keeps bringing up the false idea that their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is "the tradition" of our pure devotee guru's parampara. Nope! Pure devotees do not behave like debauchees, but even the regular Joe six pack karmis are not commonly "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." Even they have a higher standard than the GBC guru process.

Then he says his illicit sex gurus are the same as the other gurus in the Brahma sampradaya, Sri Sampradaya and so on. Which means he is insulting all the other bona fide paramparas as well as ours. How are illicit sex deviants as pure as Lord Brahma and other great personalities? They aren't. 

And then he says the Gaudiya Matha's (sometimes debauchee) gurus were as authorized as Srila Prabhupada to be gurus. OK homosexuals, illicit sex and assorted deviants are gurus -- who are as authorized as Srila Prabhupada. Nope!

Sivarama also does not show where the 11 GBC were specifically appointed as gurus. And if everyone was supposed to be guru, why were only the 11 made to be the exclusive gurus? And the appointment tape also says initiations in the future will be conducted by -- ritviks.

Rather amazingly, Sivarama says that his homosexual and pedophile gurus program "can accept disciples unlimitedly." Well no, a conditioned soul is not authorized to take sins from others, never mind unlimited others. 

Sorry, the system is -- we cannot worship conditioned souls as gurus, especially those who are falling down left, right and center. Yep. Sivarama simply does not explain how his homosexual and pedophile gurus are "part of the tradition"? Then Sivarama says it is common for Krishna's successor gurus to fall down left, right and center, and this is common in the Gaudiya guru tradition. Ummm nope it is not. 

The good news is, more people are asking about the ritvik idea. And the person debating Sivarama makes a good point, the GBC system is a failure, their gurus are falling into disrepute, scandals, bad media, lawsuits etc. which means they are not authorized. Sivarama just says guru scandals are common, well maybe in his system, but there are none in our actual parampara. Yep! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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RMD: I do not feel pure, unalloyed Love of God emanating from Sivarama Swami's words and consciousness in this debate, as I always do, in full, when I hear Srila Prabhupada speak and sing, when I read His Divine Words, when I see His Face, and when I pray to Him in my heart in the Form of Supersoul (​Śrī Paramātmā). 

On the contrary, Sivarama Swami comes across as an arrogant bully, even going so far as to suggest that the inquiring devotee on the left commit suicide for questioning the legitimacy of the current stock of ISKCON's so-called 'gurus', many of whom have fallen down, and none of whom were appointed to their positions by Srila Prabhupada.

This is ironic, considering that Sivarama Swami himself acknowledges, near the end of the video, that the ISKCON gurus are not on the same level as Srila Prabhupada. I intepret this statement to mean that ISKCON gurus are not liberated souls like Srila Prabhupada, hence, they cannot liberate their own followers.

Sivarama Swami does a great disservice to Srila Prabhupada by consciously diverting the public from surrendering to Srila Prabhupada directly via His Unchanged Vani, and pressuring them with arrogance and brutality that they must instead take Dīkṣā (eternal spiritual initiation) from fallen souls like himself, who are not Swan-like, Graceful Pure Devotees of the Lord like Srila Prabhupada, but are simply ordinary men who are not capable of granting spiritual salvation to their followers, due to their own mixed motives and materialistic conditioning. 

Thus, those who take their supposed shelter will find themselves unfortunately frustrated in their attempt to reach the Lord's Lotus Feet and go back Home, back to Godhead.

On the other hand, those Fortunate and Intelligent Souls who surrender themselves directly and uncompromisingly at the Lotus Feet of Srila Prabhupada, willingly adopting and following His Transcendental Instructions as their Life and Soul, will make an ultimate, total success of their material and spiritual lives. It is simply a matter of time.

Hare Kṛṣṇa All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !

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PADA: Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.

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Lock up your wives and daughters.

Our government cannot (read: will not) protect them.

Sounds wonderful! For the predators.

Yup. You are NOT going to be protected.

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HANSADUTTA UPDATE

PADA: Fortunately for me, after Hansadutta sent all the Berkeley devotees to New Vrndavana, the FEDS were tapping his phone there, and actually all the New Vrndavana phones. So the FEDS put undercover agents on my tail, because they found out Hansadutta was sending three of his enforcers from NV back to Berkeley to "take out Puranjana once and for all." In short, the Hansadutta plan was to have me put into the graveyard. 

But the FEDS told me they had to use me as bait, and when his enforcers started to chase me down the street, the law enforcement came out of their undercover cars and arrested his men. A few years later when I told Hansadutta his plan of having me removed from the planet was not very authorized, he just laughed and said "we all went mad, that is what happened." No, we did not all go mad, you did. And coming after me was not madness, it was a highly calculated and planned operation. ys pd

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Russia News: ISKCON CONSTITUTION

According to the ISKCON Constitution, an "appointed guru" of the GBC is equal to an ordinary congregation.

Let's break this down point by point:

1. Who are the "appointed gurus" of the GBC from the perspective of the legitimate system?

In the system established by Prabhupada in the "Direction of Management," the position of "appointed guru" does not exist. The GBC is an administrative body created to "manage and supervise operations." Its members are managers, not ex-officio spiritual masters.

Therefore, anyone who declares themselves a "guru" based on the decision of this administrative committee is in a position not stipulated by the ISKCON Constitution. In terms of legitimacy in Prabhupada's system, they are:

· Lower than a legitimate temple president elected by the congregation, because the position of president is prescribed by the system, while the position of "appointed guru" is not.

· Equal to an ordinary parishioner in administrative rights, as he does not possess legitimate authority granted either by the congregation (like the president) or by a board of presidents (like the GBC).

Conclusion: In legitimate ISKCON, an "appointed guru" of the GBC is an administrator who has assumed a spiritual title without being authorized to do so by the system. His "spiritual" status is illegal within the organization.

2. Contradiction with shastra: Guru vs. Administrator.

In sastra, the guru is placed on the highest pedestal: "No one is more precious than the guru." But this is a fundamental misunderstanding.

A true guru, as described in sastra, is:

1. Self-manifested, not appointed by a committee. His authority derives from his purity, realized knowledge, and the mercy of Krishna, not from a vote or resolution.

2. Has no higher authority in spiritual matters. He is subordinate only to the guru and Krishna.

A GBC "appointed guru" is:

1. Proclaimed by the people. His "status" is delegated to him by a group of administrators (GBC), who themselves lack the spiritual purity to recognize a true guru.

2. Subordinate to a higher authority—the very GBC that appointed him. The GBC can block his status, remove him, or punish him. In other words, the administrator is above the "guru."

This is the main blasphemy and contradiction.

In the shastra, the King (administrator) bows at the feet of the Saint (guru). In the GBC system, the "Saint" (appointed guru) is obliged to obey the orders of the "King" (GBC). They have turned the hierarchy upside down.

3. To whom do the "appointed gurus" report? The answer is the "usurpation of power" scheme.

Let's look at the chain of command that has developed in modern ISKCON:

Chain of Usurpation:

Illegitimate GBC (self-appointed) -> appoints presidents -> appoints "gurus" -> "guru" accepts disciples -> disciples are obligated to obey the "guru" -> "guru" is obligated to obey the GBC.

Summary: Through the system of "appointed gurus," the GBC gains total control over the minds and lives of thousands of devotees. A disciple, thinking they are listening to the guru, is actually indirectly listening to the orders of a self-appointed administrative committee.

Thus, the "appointed guru" is a subordinate employee or "spiritual affairs manager" in a corporation controlled by the GBC. They are subordinate to their parishioner-disciples only in rhetoric, but in reality, they are subordinate to their 

GBC bosses.

Summary and Conclusion:

1. Legitimacy: "Appointed Gurus" have no legitimate status in Prabhupada's system. Their position is a product of usurpation.

2. Spiritual Status: Their subordination to the Administrative Committee (GBC) is a direct violation of the sastric principle of guru supremacy. This creates a system where the administrator is superior to the saint.

3. Real Hierarchy: They are pawns in the hands of the illegitimate GBC, instruments for controlling the masses of devotees. Their power over disciples is illusory, since the real power lies with those who hired them and can fire them.

Therefore, the demand to return to the system of electing GBC and presidents is not merely an administrative reform. It is a spiritual necessity to break the vicious system in which corrupt administrators have arrogated to themselves the right to appoint and dismiss "saints," perverting the very principle of disciplic succession.