RE: Devaki DD / ISKCON's Child Protection Scam 01 13 25

RE: DEVAKI DASI

LD: This poor soul known as "Niranjan's Devaki dasi" has no basic idea of Krishna's religion. The spiritual souls fall into the material world. Then !!! their love for Krishna transforms into lust. The Veda definition of a demon, a person who not controlled by Krishna ... but is controlled by lust. 

Many ... maybe most ... of these GBC gurus have proven to be ... controlled by lust and not Krishna. She does not know !!! the demoniac principle of lust is not found in Krishna's gurus, because the guru is serving Krishna and not lust. 

She thinks ... people serving lust are also serving Krishna as pure gurus, and they are fit to be worshiped as gurus. But no!!! Prabhupada says they are ... lusty hogs, dogs and monkeys. And the lusty group voted in Niranjan as another one of them. 

Twisting the philosophy in the worst way possible. Promoting lust as Krishna's guru is not just blasphemy to Krishna, it is creating an unsavory, misguided, unprotected and unsafe place for women, children, and even little boys -- to be made into victims of the lust of her "gurus" and their minions. 

This means ... she is mistaking a lusty guru parampara as a pure one. She has no idea of the basic principle of the Krishna religion, because she is being trained by the same misguided teachers. When the souls fall, they become lusty, and when they are still lusty, they are not serving Krishna purely, they are serving themselves. How can she ever become pure herself when she mistakes material lusty people as Krishna's pure servants? 

Worse, as if that is possible, she is teaching children that worshiping their lusty parampara is the path to Krishna. It is the path to hell. Then ... they wonder why so many people become victims? Worshiping lust is like worshiping copulating rabbits, and then ... one takes birth as a rabbit, and not on Krishna loka. They have no idea what is what. And then they are ... teachers of children? WTF?  

PADA: Yep, when I protested they kicked me out, and that paved the way for the chloroform on children program at Croome Court. But this problem persists, hence people are challenging the GBC's CPO or child protection office over mistreating a rape victim, as we see herein: 

ISKCON's CHILD PROTECTION SCAM

DD: Is it unreasonable to assume that the CPOC is operating with bad intent? That they likely have plans to exonerate other abusers under the pretext of "procedural reviews"? Srila Prabhupada famously gave the example of our only needing to test one grain of rice to see if the whole pot is cooked. Simply by looking at how CPOC has gone about the recent case that Sanaka and I have started to expose, one can see the entire modus operandi.

1. Accuse the outgoing CPO - ousted without due process - of not following due process. (Setting up the scaffolding to review their cases).

2. Developing new policies and procedures - with some that clearly do not have children's safety in mind. Calling them the 2023 guidelines but only releasing them in 2025 - after removing the ICPO. Then utilising them as a yardstick to claim that the investigations they now wish to review are non-compliant.

3. Taking directions from the GBC EC to look into particular cases - despite GBC resolutions claiming "we will never again interfere".

4. Not reviewing the old case file. Not even requesting it. Trying to blame the old CPO for not sharing it. But claiming it was unnecessary anyway as the appellant (aka individual who had been issued with CPO restrictions and sought to appeal them with the loophole provided to him in the new guidelines - only revealed as his case was overturned) told them "I was not in ISKCON at the time."

5. Not verifying this by consulting with the victim. Not even informing the victim. And when the victim writes in to query what's happened and why she's not been informed, she is told "Our guidelines do not require us to inform you. We do not consider you to be a relevant party in this matter" (NB. paraphrased). The weasel words were actually "Our new guidelines are silent on this matter."

For all the clamour about how wonderful this new era of due process will be.... wonderful for who we ask? Certainly not for victims. But those aggrieved about having been restricted by CPO are no doubt very much encouraged....... Is this what is being demonstrated as "due process"?

Just by testing this "one grain" we can see what a crock of s**t this whole thing is. Govardhana already revealed his hand at the recent triumphalist ISKCON Justice Ministry YouTube self-congratulatory 'Circle Jerk'. 

"Those poor (previously found to be predator) devotees who have been restricted from leading kirtan and giving class...." Any thoughts or compassion for victims was conspicuously absent from the entire discussion. 

Anyone who's not hoodwinked by the sham rhetoric can clearly see what's going on. Nothing that comes out of this CPOC will be undertaken in good faith.
These are dark days in the history of the movement. This GBC will not be remembered favourably.

8. CPOC informed me they were copying ISKCON General Counsel in on their communication. This implies the process to overturn the original CPO decision has been legally approved. On what laws or GBC resolutions was this approval based?

9. I was told by Champakalata that the 2023 CPO Guidelines is “silent” regarding whether victims should receive the outcomes of CPOC reviews. How is a safeguarding system fair, transparent, or victim-centred if victims are not even entitled to know the decisions that affect their safety?

10. I (a victim) was never informed that:

• A review request was submitted,

• The review was accepted, or

• A decision had been made afterward.

I was excluded entirely while the perpetrator was actively involved, allowed to submit documentation, and had his version reviewed without any input from me.
How is this aligned with ISKCON’s policy of supporting victims?

“ISKCON and its CPO are concerned for the spiritual, physical and emotional well-being of alleged victims and are committed to promote healing, reconciliation and empowerment…As far as possible, appropriate counseling, spiritual assistance, and access to support resources and other services should be provided.”

11. As justification for not sharing the overturning of the previous final decision with me, Champakalata said that “privacy laws” prevented her from obtaining my contact details.

Why were those same privacy laws not considered when accessing, holding, and processing my highly sensitive data, containing details of my sexual assault and rape, without my consent?

12. Why are devotees who seem to lack any specialised child-protection qualifications being appointed to conduct reviews that directly concern safeguarding? CPOC have justified this by saying they are only conducting a “procedural review,” not an appeal. However, in practice, these reviews directly impact the outcome of a safeguarding case, including restrictions placed on the perpetrator and protections afforded to the victim.

The report referred to my sexual assault and rape as “developmentally natural sexual curiosity” between adolescents, despite the fact that GK was arrested, charged, and processed by the UK criminal justice system. They did not consider it natural curiosity. This language is deeply offensive, minimising, and re traumatising.

“This is supported by the Guidelines, which further note:

‘There is a continuum of sexual behaviors in children ranging from the normal to the abnormal and there are distinct phases of normal psychosexual behaviors. Although ISKCON does not advocate any form of sexual interactions outside of marriage, it is recognized that most children below 18 years of age have some degree of developmentally normal sexual curiosity. Allowances need to be made for innocent activities or natural stages of sexual development or experimentation in children, and clearly marking the distinction in cases of abuse and exploitation. The age difference of the children involved is a significant factor to help differentiate.’

CPOC maintains that the principles underlying this rationale ought to be duly upheld in matters concerning individuals whose alleged misconduct took place while they were still minors.”

CPOC’s review totally ignores the point of consent. This was not consensual exploration by two adolescents, it was rape.

This is why a procedural review without child protection specialists is so dangerous. It fails to centre the victim, ignores trauma-informed practice, and cannot properly evaluate safeguarding risks. Someone trained in child protection would have:

• Recognised the seriousness of the abuse,

• Understood the psychological and safety needs of the victim,

• Considered the impact of lifting or reducing restrictions on both the victim and their family.

How can a non-specialist team be allowed to make critical safeguarding assessments that require specialised knowledge and trauma-informed expertise?
Further to my points above, I would like to express how profoundly devastating this entire process has been for me. After years of internal strength, healing, and difficult justice-seeking measures, I finally received justice through the previous ICPO. For the first time, I felt safe entering the temple, knowing clear restrictions
were in place to protect me from unexpectedly meeting my abuser.

That sense of safety has now been taken away, abruptly and without warning, through a process carried out entirely behind my back. I only learned of the overturning of the decision because he was seen at the temple. I found out through rumours. No one informed me. The shock of discovering this in such an insensitive way is something I am still recovering from. I reached out for information with humility and vulnerability and received silence. 

My messages were ignored. I was erased from a process that centred around my own abuse. The perpetrator was involved; I was excluded. He submitted documents; I was never informed. He received the decision; I had to beg for it.

This has been deeply re-traumatising, humiliating, and painful. I want to emphasise that this is not only about contesting the outcome, it is about the process itself, which has felt abusive in its own right. Being shut out, overridden, and silently disregarded has left me feeling powerless and unsafe all over again.

A safeguarding system should never replicate the dynamics of abuse, yet that is what this experience has felt like: decisions made about me, without me; my voice removed; my truth minimised.

Because my private data was accessed without consent and because there appears to be no legitimate policy basis for the review, I have submitted complaints to The UK Charity Commission and The Information Commissioner’s Office. And I am in the process of obtaining legal advice regarding GDPR and data
protection violations.

I respectfully request:

1. An immediate suspension of the decision to overturn the original restrictions, or reinstatement of those restrictions in the interim, while this matter is properly and independently re-investigated.

2. A full explanation of the procedural steps taken by CPOC, the GBC EC, and the interim CPO Director, and the policy under which each step was authorised.

3. A neutral third-party review to determine whether CPOC, the GBC EC, and the interim CPO Director followed ISKCON law, safeguarding policy, and data protection regulations.

This situation has shaken my faith, my safety, and my emotional well-being. I am asking respectfully, sincerely, and with immense heaviness for transparency, accountability, and compassion.

Kindly,

PA: Very bold letter, substantiated with facts. I'm not surprised of the actions of the authorities along with their justifications. I hope this devotee finds justice.

GP: ANOTHER amazing ISKCON failure, and they expect everyone to go along with this bs. The new cop director could end up in court herself.

DD: Here is the letter that the victim wrote to the GBC:

Re: Request for Immediate Clarification and Review of Procedural Concerns

Dear GBC Executive Committee,

I am writing with concern and deep distress about the recent handling of my case by CPOC and Champakalata, as authorised by you. In an email to me, dated 20th November, 2025, Champakalata stated:

“I am attaching the decision and the report (based on which the decision was reached after it was redirected by the GBC EC to me, in my capacity as the interim CPO director).

It has left me shocked, confused, and re-traumatised. Before sharing the impact this decision has had on me, I would like to respectfully ask for answers to the following questions as they relate directly to the legality, transparency, and fairness of what has occurred.

1. Please provide a copy of your written decision or instruction to the interim CPO Director, Champakalata, authorising her to review the CPOC recommendations and make a final decision.

2. Why was my data accessed without any attempt to obtain my consent?

I never gave consent for my personal data and sensitive information to be reviewed by:

• CPOC

• The GBC EC

• ISKCON General Counsel

• Or the interim CPO Director

Under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018:

• Personal data cannot be accessed or shared without a lawful basis.

• Sensitive data, especially relating to safeguarding, requires explicit consent or a clear legal justification.

None of these were obtained in my case.

Accessing and sharing my safeguarding report and related personal information constitutes unauthorised processing of data, i.e., a data breach.

For your information, I have:

• Reported this breach to the appropriate regulatory authorities, and

• Sought legal advice regarding potential further action.

3. GBC Resolution 2022 201.02 explicitly states that the GBC will not intervene in CPO matters except for appointing the director and approving policies.

• Why, then, were CPOC’s recommendations about my case sent to you?

• Why is this included in the 2023 CPO Guidelines as part of the official process when it directly contradicts the 2022 GBC resolution?

• Why did you instruct the interim CPO Director to make a decision on CPOC’s recommendation? This, by definition, constitutes direct intervention in a CPO matter.

4. Why is CPOC reviewing completed CPO cases when their own fact sheet from January 2025 explicitly states they will not review old cases? “The Enhanced Approach is not retroactive. It upholds decisions made under prior processes, which remain final. It applies only to pending cases that have not yet been adjudicated and future cases.” - point 16

5. The Fact Sheet also states:  “Operating independently, the CPOC does not engage in direct involvement with specific cases, adjudications, or appeals.” - 

point 3

Why, then, have they engaged directly in this specific case? In the same email dated 20th November, Champakalata explained that this was not an appeal but a
procedural review:

“the action taken in relation to this matter was a procedural review, not an appeal.”

In practical terms, what is the difference between an appeal and a review? In my case:

• The perpetrator submitted documentation requesting the decision be overturned,

• His submission was examined,

• And the original decision was overturned.

This is, in substance and outcome, an appeal, regardless of what terminology is applied. The only apparent difference is who is carrying out the process, not the process itself. By “reviewing” the case, they have directly engaged with a specific case.

6. My case was processed under the 2018 CPO Guidelines:

“This decision concluded on 5th October 2024 was rendered in accordance with the process for arbitrating cases of alleged child abuse according to the ISKCON Child Protection Policy and Operational Guidelines (Guidelines), ratified by the ISKCON Governing Body Commission February 2018.”

Those Guidelines allow only one appeal, and that appeal is final. There is no legal provision for additional appeals or reviews from CPOC, the CPO Director, or the GBC EC. 

“The decision of the Appeal Review Panel will be final. There is no further process of appeal.” What is the legal basis for reopening a concluded case? You cannot retroactively apply the 2023 CPO Guidelines, which were only published and became operational in August 2025, to a case completed under an earlier policy. CPOC’s own Fact Sheet explicitly states this:

“The Enhanced Approach is not retroactive. It upholds decisions made under prior processes, which remain final. It applies only to pending cases that have not yet been adjudicated and future cases.” - point 16

7. The 2023 Guidelines states that CPOC may conduct “procedural reviews” and inform the GBC EC of their findings. 

Nowhere do the Guidelines authorise:

• The GBC EC to forward these findings to the interim CPO Director,

• The CPO Director to make a decisive ruling, or

• An overturning of a previous CPO decision.

What was the policy or legal justification for these steps?

(Continued below)

DD: Developing new procedures (and policies - one of which is highly suspect) - and then withholding these from the incumbent CPO who were working with 2018 approved guidelines - only to introduce them and then retro-actively apply them to cases is SHOCKINGLY UNETHICAL.

The dubious policy is that crimes/offenses/allegations pertaining to a time before the alleged abuser joined ISKCON are outside of the CPO's jurisdiction. How does that serve the interests of protecting children? It makes no sense.

In the case we are discussing the alleged abuser appealed arguing that the CPO had found him guilty of an offense that took place before he joined ISKCON. And the grand poobahs of due process simply took his word for it. And did not verify or consult with the victim. And excused him - without even notifying the victim - arguing that the new procedure doesn't require them to.

This is all very unethical and amateur hour stuff

RE: Crookedness does not equal Vaisnavism.

DD: Another scurrilous argument that was made.... The alleged abuser was 18 at the time and the victim a cousin. The CPOC are arguing that the rape which took place was simply "natural teenage curiosity". And therefore the punishment - i.e. not being allowed to act as a pujari - was "excessive".

The point about conflicts of interest is very important.

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LETTER TO ANUTTAMA

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Devaki dd - Holy Name Retreat

DESIRING TO BECOME AN IMPORTANT PERSON (DEVAKI DASI)

In The Nectar of Devotion, Chapter Three, Srila Prabhupada explains:

"Therefore, anyone who has any desire or aspiration for satisfying his senses by becoming more and more important, either in the material sense or in the spiritual sense, cannot actually relish the really sweet taste of devotional service." 

PADA: Very obvious then -- what is the cause of all the problems with the constant fall downs, failure and scandals of the GBC gurus. They are not tasting the actual process of Krishna consciousness. Ravindra swarupa said he wanted to be a blissful devotee, but instead became a pencil pushing dried out bureaucrat. 

Satsvarupa said -- "the more I chant the drier it gets," and it is obvious many of these guys have had all sorts of physical and psychological ailments and issues due to not experiencing actual Krishna consciousness. 

OK another example -- Hansadutta was having sex with half dozen ladies and he was drinking Vodka, beer, peppermint schnaps and he was loaded on drugs like percodans. Clearly many of these big gurus are not having much devotional taste. That is because they are not actually devotees of Krishna, they are mundane men posing artificially as saints. 

Reading this statement for the first time with attention deeply affected my heart. It struck me how we have to give up this deep-rooted desire of becoming a more and more important person – even in a spiritual sense – if we want to eventually taste the sweet fruits of pure bhakti. Unless we give up the desire for fame and recognition, we will simply taste the fruits of ego satisfaction. 

Such fruits have a very different taste than the fruits of pure devotion. We may often confuse those two kinds of fruits, and we may easily mistake the taste of ego satisfaction to be the taste coming from devotional service. But there is a vast difference between them – as different as iron is from gold.

If we are not fully satisfied in our devotional life, not relishing the sweet taste of our services, we may ask ourselves, “What is my motivation? Maybe I desire fame and recognition? Maybe I am not truly selfless and unmotivated?”

In Sri Guru-vandana, His Holiness Gour Govinda Maharaja warns us:

"Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati says, jadera pratistha, sukarera vistha. Labha, puja, pratistha – desires for name, fame and adoration – are the stool of a she-hog. [From Vaishnava Ke?] The Vaishnava who runs after this name, fame, and adoration is merely running after the stool of a she-hog, sukarera vistha. 

PADA: Gaura Govinda maharaja told me he agrees, the GBC is making homosexuals and pedophiles into "Vishnupada" acharyas. He said Kali yuga has entered the highest places in ISKCON.

But -- he insisted, he STILL has to tolerate, cooperate and work with them. I said, why? And his followers said, otherwise we won't have a building. OK so we have to cooperate, tolerate and work with the worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as Vishnupada messiahs no less -- to get a bunch or rocks and cement buildings? 

Meawhile the children are being beaten and raped, but so what -- I get a stones and cement building for ME and MY needs. The children are not a problem, the problem is -- I, me and my NEEDs, and I NEED a pile of rocks and cement. It is amazing that this woman thinks cooperating with homosexual and pedophile guru programs is not the problem, but lets not forget, she is working with them too.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta has cautioned us that we should be very, very careful not to run after name, fame and adoration because it creates a great obstacle to the growth of the bhakti-lata. Instead of making advancement, your advancement will be checked and you may fall down."

The desire for recognition may manifest in very subtle forms, and thus we may not so easily detect it. The process of Krishna consciousness offers ample opportunities to place ourselves in the centre and feed our false ego. Giving classes and leading kirtans may create an ideal forum for trying to receive such gratification.

In the name of Krishna consciousness, we can do the opposite of what we should be doing: Instead of subduing and dissolving the false ego, we can feed and expand it to the maximum. It is all going on in the name of devotional service. In this way, we can miss the target of spiritual practice entirely. Instead of developing pure devotion to the Lord and His devotees, we may simply use the process of devotional practice for our own self-aggrandisement.

It requires introspection and honesty to detect those weeds within our hearts. We have to reflect: “What am I trying to do here? Am I trying to cultivate pure devotion to the Lord, or am I on an ego trip, running after the fruits of satisfying my ego? What is my motive?”

We can easily maintain our hopes and illusions, thinking that these fruits of ego satisfaction are also very tasty and juicy. We may even mistake them to be the fruits of devotional service, believing that we are doing the right thing. But we are not. We are missing the goal.

As Srila Prabhupada explains, when we run after such ego satisfaction, trying to become a more and more important person – even in a spiritual sense – we cannot experience the really sweet taste of devotional service.

Therefore, we do need a confidential, well-wishing friend on our side who has no other interest except assisting us in our spiritual growth. Such a person will be able to help us distinguish the weeds from the bhakti-lata. On our own, we may be lost.

Your servant, Devaki dd

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PADA: OK first of all notice that the GBC has to find people from Poland, Ukraine, Lativia, Russia etc. to be their spokespeople nowadays, the rest of the world is pretty much not interested because their scandals are widely known here. Anyway, she is talking about mundane motivations clouding our bhakti, and the GBC re-instated Bhavananda as their Vishnupada acharya, despite reports he was having oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham. 

And the reason why? As I was told by some of the people at the meeting, was that Bhavananda is close friends with a big financial Mayapur donor, so they had to keep him in the guru post to keep the money flowing. Same things when there was a call to get rid of Lokanath, well prabhu, we cannot get rid of him, he has a lot of big donor disciples, so we need to keep him in the guru post. 

Same thing here, when the GBC met in Berkeley to discuss the drunken womanizer Hansadutta messiah of the jagat, I interrupted the meeting and said he has to go, and the GBC said no, -- he has to stay "or we will lose his followers and all the collections of money." So this Devaki lady is talking about mundane motivations, and the GBC guru program is full of it.

She also promotes Niranjan swami, who is 2/3 show of hands voted into the oral sex with taxi drivers Vishnupada society -- as one of their co-Vishnupadas. She also promotes Bhakti Purushottama Swami, who a sannyasa disciple of HH Jayapataka Swami, and who has been an active member of ISKCON since 1978 -- and leader at Mayapur -- which has been called "Auschwitz for kids" by some of the victims. 

So this lady is talking about distinguishing the bhakti beeja from other beejas, but her society is full of people who promote homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, perverts, porno swamis etc. as God's successors. What kind of beeja are they giving people here? 

Sulochana said even a dog will not worship a homosexual and pedophile guru, because God gives the dog common sense. Sulochana said only degraded and evil Satanic people promote worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as God's successors, because they hate God and want to misrepresent God. Anyway, she is making a good argument, but mostly to the people who have no ability to discriminated the difference -- what is the bhakti beeja and what is the homosexual and pedophile beeja. 

In any case, she is now saying the children are our future, which is good, except training children to worship a homosexual and pedophile guru program is harming children and not saving them. No one has ever gone back to Godhead by worshiping a guru lineage of debauchees, drunks, pedophiles and deviants, and no one ever will. 

This is going to keep those children locked into the material world, and not save them. Meanwhile she herself seems to have no idea if illicit sex with men, women and children is "part of the eternal tradition of God's guru parampara," or not? But if she is being trained by the leaders of an oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham Vishnupada acharyas program, she will never know what is the bhakti beeja and what is not. 

She should not be lecturing others until she gets all of this clear herself. She thinks we should not compromise with mundane motives, or to the forces of evil in false bhakti, then she quotes a person who has to compromise with his homosexual and pedophile acharyas process to get some bricks and cement reward, as the children in his operation are getting starved, beat, molested and are committing suicide. I feel bad for her, she evidently has no clue what is the real bhakti beeja, and what is the homosexual and pedophile messiah's beeja. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

SRD: Recently Mother Mukhya welcomed Bhakti Purushottam Swami (BPS) to give class at the Alachua temple. There are some allegations of child sexual abuse perpetrated by Bhakti Purushottam Swami.

The allegations were confirmed by Anuttama das in a letter he wrote to the NA temples before BPS visited the USA.

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In his letter Anuttama stated that it is up to the discretion of each individual temple to decide whether to invite BPS. On one hand we are all entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. On the other it has been notoriously difficult to confirm child abuse allegation in India.

A man may be innocent until proven guilty, but would you invite such a man to look after your children unless or until he is convicted? Hopefully not.

Taking into account that there are so many families and children in the Alachua community, I would like to ask Mother Mukhya if she would be willing to explain why she felt that it was respectful and considerate to invite another senior man who has allegations of child sexual abuse to speak at the temple?

How does this decision serve the best interest of the Alachua temple community?
How does it contribute to create an environment where children are safe? From what I can see it doesn't. On the contrary it only reinforces the culture of tolerance and minimization of child abuse that has been plaguing ISKCON for 50 years. The implications and optics of this decision do not look good for the Alachua community.

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PADA: Satsvarupa has finally had an opportunity to explain why he wanted the children of ISKCON to worship his Mott Street boys pals, and / or homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, porno swamis etc.  -- as messiahs -- and Krishna's successors. And why he painted us dissenters as poison pens to get us assassinated -- for our not promoting his homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs project. 

He does not touch the topic. Neither the Namarasa guys even ask about the topic. SDG should apologize for making all this mess, but he does not seem to even understand how wrong all this is. Conditioned souls are NEVER Krishna's successors, full stop period. 

Someone else told me, "I cannot think of a worse sin than advertising homosexuals and pedophiles as Krishna's successors, and even a butcher in a slaughterhouse has a million times better karma than this lot." Well yup. 

ys pd 

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CRADLE ROBBING SENIOR DEVOTEES

What did Srila Prabhupada say that a practitioner of Krishna Consciousness should do in adulthood? Focus on spiritual practice, seriously practicing what you have learned. But the example we have seen is that of several older devotees, disciples of Srila Prabhupada looking for a young wife to continue the enjoyment and contradictory example of what Prabhupda taught.

No need for destructive criticism here are a few cases.

Lilananda, Brazilian resident in Alachua with his young wife. Famous singer Agnideva Das married a few years ago to a devotee who can be his daughter.
Famous and talented artist Vaiyasaki Prabhu always looking for the youngest, recently with a very young new companion.

Famous Srutakirti Prabhu, former personal servant of Srila Prabhupada, married five times and his last wife may be younger than his youngest daughter. Not a destructive criticism but -- where did Srila Prabhupada's teachings and instructions go? What are the next generations of devotees learning from them?

PADA: Yep, as we suspected, many of the senior devotees who hang around ISKCON get side benefits, like for example -- young girlfriends and wives. AKA cradle robbers. Sura told me he cannot say anything about Hrdayananda or the other GBC gurus because his wife is an initiated disciple of the GBC and "I will be sleeping on the couch." Another seniot devotee here told me the same thing, his wife is a disciple of Trivrikrama and he cannot speak or else she will reject him. 

His wife by the way has a habit of yelling at me at the temple and saying we don't want ritviks here. Well yeah we ONLY want the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club here. And younger women skirt chasing Trivrikrama. Got it. 

However, no one actually removes me from the temple because, well, some of them know better not to, and actually most of the people at the temple agree with me, we need to make Srila Prabhupada the acharya. Gopal Krishna used to be the initiating guru here. He would come once a year an initiate two people, and he would sometimes fall asleep during his own lectures. 

Right now it looks like a lot of the people who got young wives and girlfriends are getting too old and wiped out to support and pacify a younger lady. So the program of cradle snatching seems to be slowing down. But now you know why these people hang on, they get left over table scraps benefits from the pedophile messiah's project. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com     

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History of ISKCON Never Told

The Three Historical Factions of ISKCON and the Concealment of the "Direction of Management"

Srila Prabhupada, founder of ISKCON, repeatedly warned that the greatest danger to its movement would come from within: the formation of factions. Throughout the first few years, three internal divisions attempted to alter the original structure of the movement, each doubling in number and danger to the previous.
The first faction (late 60s) starred Kirtanananda and Hayagriva, who sought to redirect spiritual leadership. Prabhupada called them "crazy" and removed them from the movement.

The second faction (1970), comprised of Brahmananda, Gargamuni, Vishnujana and Subala Das, tried to centralize all temples in New York and proclaim Prabhupada as God Himself. In the face of this crisis, Prabhupada set up the Governing Body Commission (GBC), an advisory body designed to avoid abuse of power and promote cooperation between temples.

However, the third faction (1972) emerged within the GBC itself. Eight of its twelve members sought to re-centralise ISKCON’s financial control, handing power to a new “GBC secretary”. Prabhupada reacted by suspending the GBC and returning autonomy to temple presidents, reaffirming their principle of independence and decentralization.

The founding document of the GBC, the Direction of Management (DOM), established a system of controls and voting every three years to avoid institutional tyranny. But that mandate was never fulfilled. The vote to be held in 1973 was silenced, and the DOM was deliberately concealed from most devotees.
Thus, the body created to preserve unity became the most dangerous faction: it concentrated power and diverted the original spirit of Prabhupada. His final warning echoes as a historical lesson: “Don’t do factions and deviate.” ”

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VENEZUELA  

PADA: There you have it folks. The USA spent a few hundred million dollars to make sure it is NOT safe for ANY Americans to go to Venezuela. Notice, make sure your last will is in order -- in case you end up dead. 

This whole thing was not planned out at all. Trump had a big meeting with the oil companies executives -- asking them to go into Venezuela and fix things, but evidently, as soon as they go there, they can be kidnapped, held hostage, jailed, tortured and maybe killed. Where do I sign up? And this -- ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when "the USA takes over managing Venezuela." Sheesh! ys pd 

USA STATE DEPARTMENT

VENEZUALA LEVEL 4 DO NOT TRAVEL ALERT.

January 10,2026 Recent alert:

Venezuela is at Level 4: Do Not Travel, the highest advisory level.

As of January 10, 2026, the U.S. Embassy warned Americans to “depart immediately” due to severe security risks, including armed militias, wrongful detention, kidnapping, and the U.S. government’s inability to provide emergency assistance. Reports describe colectivo militias setting up roadblocks and checking vehicles for U.S. citizens or people perceived as supporting the United States. The advisory emphasizes that the U.S. has no operational embassy in Caracas and cannot help citizens on the ground.

The Department has determined there is a very high risk of wrongful detention of U.S. nationals in Venezuela. Security forces have detained U.S. citizens for up to five years without respect for due process.  The U.S. government is not generally informed of the detention of U.S. citizens in Venezuela nor is it permitted to visit U.S. national detainees in Venezuela. The U.S. government has no way to contact U.S. nationals detained in Venezuela, and those detained are not allowed to contact family members or independent legal counsel.  According to former detainees, as well as independent human rights organizations, detainees have been subjected to torture and cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment or punishment, including severe beatings, prolonged restraint in stress positions, and waterboarding.

Violent crimes, such as homicide, armed robbery, kidnapping, and carjacking, are common in Venezuela.  Political rallies and demonstrations occur, often with little notice.  Police and security forces have instituted a brutal crackdown on pro-democracy or anti-regime demonstrations, including the use of tear gas, pepper spray, and rubber bullets against participants, which occasionally devolve into looting and vandalism. Colombian terrorist groups operate in Venezuela’s border areas with Colombia, Brazil, and Guyana.

Shortages of gasoline, electricity, water, medicine, and medical supplies continue throughout much of Venezuela. Read the country information page for additional information on travel to Venezuela.If you decide to travel to Venezuela:

Prepare a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney.

There is no safe way to travel to Venezuela.  Avoid travel to Venezuela via any means, including via land border crossings where even crossing over into Venezuela by a few feet can result in detention.  Nighttime travel between cities or between the Maiquetia Simón Bolívar International Airport and Caracas is especially risky.  Entering or attempting to enter Venezuela without a valid Venezuelan visa will likely lead to indefinite detention without consular access.  Visas are not available upon entry.  U.S. citizens in Venezuela face a high risk of indefinite detention without consular access.  Visas and residence permits may be canceled at any time without warning, and U.S. citizens holding a valid visa may be arbitrarily detained at any time.

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PERSPECTIVE ON WOMEN (Aindra Dasa)

KARMI, YOGI & DEVOTEE - THE THREE WAYS IN WHICH MEN DEAL WITH WOMEN, FROM AINDRA'S PERSPECTIVE:

(Excerpt from The Heart of Transcendental Book Distribution)

In the final analysis, it may be admitted that any pervertedly reflected illusory manifestation within this cosmos may purposefully pose to prospectively either entangle, liberate, or transcendentally enrapture one, consonant with the degree of spiritual eligibility governing the way one sees and responds to Maya’s multi-functional demeanor. For example, with all due respect to Maya Devi’s empowered most-recognizable expansion in the shape of a psychophysical woman, a so-called man, bewildered by material absorption, misidentifying himself as purusha or enjoyer and succumbing to an entangling labyrinth of lusty obsessions, foolishly identifies the womanly form as a most desirable and inspirational object of gross or subtle selfish sense delectation. 

To a lusty man the world appears as if filled with lusty women. He thus, by harboring intensified attachments to vain, romanticized mundane objectives, degrades himself, running the risk of rebirth into an illusory prison - suit body bearing the shapeliness of a mayic psychophysical woman. Thus the materially conceived “he” ironically gets “himself” reborn as a materially conceived “she.” Such is Maya’s joke!

The somewhat knowledgeable, however, who has become wary of Maya’s allurements, will wisely see the same womanly form as “mother,” an expansion of the supreme form of material motherhood, goddess Durga. In this material world, “mother” means one who gives corporeal birth, and for one who is born, death is certain. So, she who will give birth and concomitant death within this material world shall be deftly esteemed by a vigilant aspiring transcendentalist as “mother,” the personification of repeated birth and death. 

Steering clear by cautiously maintaining a respectful distance, the aspirant will traverse the path of liberation, intelligently circumventing the shackles of sex attraction, the binding force of this material world.

Yet, an elevated Vaishnava acquainted with higher truths concerning the spiritually substantial reality of which this material world is merely a shadow will ably see everything in a different light. He transcends the relatively mundane principles of both pravritti (inclination) and nivritti (disinclination) that refer to material connections. Clearly, he realizes that the temporary, shadowy manifestations of this world, stemming originally from the substantial spiritual names, forms, qualities, and activities of the eternal realm of Goloka, can absolutely serve in various ways to remind a pure devotee of the supreme eternal reality of Radha-Krsna lila. 

He will therefore allow the sight of the illusory womanly form within this world, which faintly resembles the radiance of spiritual muliebrity, to prompt within himself an internal recollection of the supreme root of all minor expanded varieties of femininity. This original feature of all transcendental womanhood is none other than Sri Radha, who mothers not the material existence of repeated birth and death but rather spiritual birth into eternal loving devotion.

A subordinate king’s attitude toward the emperor’s envoy conspicuously reflects his general attitude toward the emperor. As a well-wishing emissary coming on behalf of the emperor’s government to examine the condition of a subordinate is to be properly honored, so similarly any expanded form of femininity should be honored as a representative of Radha. This entire material world, Devi Dhama, is comprised of prakriti, the expanded feminine energy of Radha. 

Such energy in any form is meant primarily to remind one of Radha and is ultimately meant to be engaged so as to serve Her purposes in the matter of assisting to satisfy Her beloved Shyama. Herein lies the essence of the yukta-vairagya principle.

A thoughtful Vaishnava, therefore, will recognize in any manifested feminine figure the symbolic ambassadress – or messenger maidservant – of Sri Radha, the supreme empress of irresistible supra-mundane feminine attraction for the enchantment of Sri Krsna. Externally maintaining a respectful distance from Radha’s messenger (duti) so as not to commit offense, while humbly considering himself to be unqualified to directly associate with her as long as he remains in the sadhaka-deha, he will simply pray from within that she mercifully inform her Svamini (Radha) about his pure devotional intents. 

Internally offering eternal allegiance to Radha’s lotus feet, he will beg to remain ever supportive and covetous of Her loving service. Then Maya Devi, being very much satisfied, will mercifully serve in Her primary feature as Yoga Maya to transcendentally connect the devotee to the lilas of the Lord. 

Such externally prompted reflective remembrance of Sri Radha and Her gopi friends and maidservants thus elevates the devotee far beyond the mundane influences of the physical field, unlocking a treasure chest of blissful internal absorption in Krsna consciousness.

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http://www.sripadaindradasa.com/books.htm

1972 Hijack Attempt / Child Trafficking / Ukraine Explained (again)

NEPAL GURU MAHAVISHNU SWAMI

GP and JN das comments on the “swami”

I can't see why people have a problem with this. What's wrong with a gay Swami shouting "one mouth, one anus, one genital" while having phallic depictions on the screen? You aren't Krishna conscious enough if you don't like this.

In the 80s and 90s young Nepali boys were trafficked by ISKCON to Mayapur and sexually abused by leaders there, including by many now ex Swamis. Its well documented and much more that isn't documented. This particular Swami (Mahavishnu swami) in the video has been in charge of Nepal since forever and was involved in sending kids to Mayapur gurukula -- who were later raped. And this went on for years and years. Is it just a coincidence?

I remember in 1994 there was a young Nepali boy in the Mayapur gurukula who had this fancy imported BMX bicycle. At the time the only bicycles that existed in India were the old office style, painted green with the high seat and tall thin tires. I was wondering how did this Nepali boy have an imported BMX mountain bicycle from the US in Mayapur. It would have cost a ton of money, and the trouble to bring it into the country would have been ridiculous. 

I asked him, and he said, "Oh, my spiritual master Mahavishnu Swami brought it for me as a gift." The kids in the gurukula were hardly being fed or taken care of, but somehow this Nepali boy was being gifted an Imported BMX bicycle by the Swami. How many of you have been gifted a BMX bike by your guru? It looked fishy back then, and now that I know how many of the Nepali boys were trafficked and raped in Mayapur it looks even fishier now.

In the 80s and 90s Nepali children were being sent to Mayapur, and raped by people such as Bhavananda "Goswami", Shatadhanya "Swami", Nitaichand "Goswami", and the assortment of teachers and ashram leaders in the Mayapur gurukula. They knew they were the most vulnerable because they were from another poor country -- with no parents around, but were not westerners, so their parents would have no power even if they complained. 

If some problem came up they could just send them back to Nepal and hush it up, as they were not locals. The CPO has dealt with some of the cases, but there are way more cases that were never reported. 

In 1977 when Mayapur was attacked "by dacoits", it was actually because Bhavananda had been caught raping a local Bengali muslim boy in the goshala. They lied to Srila Prabhupada and said it was "dacoits", when it was just irate locals who wanted to punish him for raping one of their children. After that the leaders switched to importing boys from Nepal because they would not have the same problem of locals rioting if they got caught.

Most devotees don't want to hear this and will get angry if I say it, so I try to keep quiet. But then they shove phallic images in our face while shouting, "one mouth, one anus, one genital", and we are supposed to pretend we don't know who they are and what they did, and what their real agenda is.

PADA: YUP!

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UKRAINE HISTORY LESSON

Thanks prabhu. OK, you are right, the West WAS arming Ukraine with a few retired 1980s tanks and retired MIGs -- so they could attack Russia, and take down Russia with a few pieces of some old school retired military gear. Umm nope. First of all, the West was not ARMING Ukraine in any meaningful way. "The West was arming them" -- but in no meaningful way. After they were getting hammered for a long time, we finally sent them a few old retired USA aircraft, but told them not to use them on Russian land. 

What ACTUALLY happened is -- the USA convinced Ukraine to GIVE UP their nukes, in exchange for USA security guarantees. We did not arm them, we DIS-ARMED them. And if we would give them back their nukes today, this war would be over in 24 hours tomorrow. Ukraine has old retired military gear because they were told there is NO NEED to upgrade, because we would take care of their defense. 

Russia would not EVER attack someone who had nukes and could take them off the map. And that is why Russia is bombing old ladies with impunity now, they are not afraid of payback, especially from the USA, UKRAINE'S so-called signed up Budapest Agreement guaranteed defenders. 

I saw MANY Tik Tok videos of Russians shooting at fleeing convoys of civilian cars, killing babies and everyone there. These are un-armed civilian people being shot when they have no arms at all. I don't care what Russians think, they have no authority to kill unarmed people. And they are bombing apartments full of civilians all the time -- saying that some old retired cat women using walkers are a strategic military target. 

And now they are bombing electricity supplies, so they can stop the heaters and freeze thousands of babies to death. We all know that is the plan, the want to kill everyone there and the only reason they don't is, they are worried NATO might eventually take action, otherwise they would have taken out everyone in Ukraine a long time ago.  

I ALREADY knew Ukraine was in trouble a LONG TIME AGO when we forced them to give up their nukes. And we "guaranteed" their security. I knew then -- they were now relying on our TOTALLY unreliable security, and I was right. We helped arm Russia by buying their oil, and then we disarmed Ukraine. We set them up to fail. OK try to get the main point here -- we DIS-ARMED Ukraine -- and not vice versa.

Which means -- we were not arming them in any substantial manner, rather we were taking away their weapons and dis-arming them. I saw all this "Ukraine security deal" in the news at the time, and said -- this is bad news for Ukraine. It almost green lights Russia to invade, because now Ukraine has an unreliable security agreement, and they do. 

As soon as the next USA president is elected, all previous deals are off, or need to be re-negotiated, and that is the way the USA does things all along. Look at the deals we made with the Indians, Kurds, Afghanis duh! 

All this means, Russians think babies and old ladies are a dangerous military object. That is called wholesale genocide and not military anything. To say that our taking their weapons away is giving them weapons is called RE-WRITING history, in fact revising and even reversing history. We TOOK THEIR WEAPONS AWAY. 

If they still had their nukes now, NONE of this would have EVER happened. There is NO PROOF we armed them in any significant manner, while there is PLENTY OF PROOF we disarmed them very substantially, and left them naked for attack. 

Which was predicted at the time; this will be dangerous for them should the USA get another president who does not stick to the former plan and so on. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED, and has happened many times! Look at our security agreements with all sorts of other nations, or the Kurds, our Afghan helpers and many others, no one knows anything about any of that now.

As far as Satsvarupa, he wrote all of the early GBC papers and he said we are "poison pens" -- to get us exterminated. He may have helped some people, and he gets credit for that. Bravo. He maybe saved some souls, all good. 

But he also made a pedo guru program -- that attacks thousands of Krishna's children -- and he wanted to get me killed -- for protesting his industrial scale child abuse program -- and he gets credit for that too. I cannot re-write history here, he did a few good things, sure, and he also did lots of bad things, and that is the situation. 

The Lilamrta has other flaws, but that is another whole issue itself. Satsvarupa is one of the leaders of the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's program, which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas, and he will have to pay for orchestrating all that and he already is, he is a basket case now. 

As for my blog, it is what it is. These are the perceptions I have and that is from my personal observation. But I understand, my observations are not the same as many -- or most -- or probably maybe almost no one else. And that is how life is, we are all different souls. 

Russia is IMHO engaged in genocide and Satsvarupa is engaged in another form of genocide of our children by making them worship his pedos pals. They have the same life taking and soul destroying mentality -- and same result in my opinion. People suffer and die. Satsvarupa destroyed ISKCON and Putin is destroying Russia, and Ukraine as well. 

1,000,000 prime aged men left Russia, 1,000,000 other prime aged men died in battle, he is destroying his own house. And Satsvarupa did the same to ISKCON, he made it a bombed out ghost town disaster zone. I see no difference ultimately, they are both exploiters and creators of mayhem and suffering, and destroying their own program -- and the people in it. 

But I am glad you like some of my stuff and hope we can be friends in any case. ys pd

WESTERN NATIONS DISARMED UKRAINE:

The agreement you’re looking for is the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994. It is the key document in which Ukraine agreed to give up ALL of the nuclear weapons it inherited from the Soviet Union in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.

Where the agreement is located: The memorandum was signed in Budapest, Hungary, during a summit of the Organization for Security and Co‑operation in Europe (OSCE). You can find the full text on public sources such as Wikipedia and official archives. 

What the agreement did:

Ukraine transferred roughly 1,900 nuclear warheads back to Russia and dismantled its delivery systems.

In return, the U.S., U.K., and Russia pledged to:

Respect Ukraine’s independence and borders

Refrain from using force or coercion

Seek UN Security Council action if Ukraine became a victim of aggression

Bangalore Court Case / Malati / Devils and Angels CHAT GPT 01 09 25

 

BACK IN COURT AGAIN. Except, my understanding is that the new case has not been accepted yet, it is going to be reviewed to see if there is merit to a new case. But it is typical of the GBC to use harassing on the Prabhupada devotees.

But all that is what happens when we do not just march into court -- and ask the court -- why are they hearing the pleadings from a homosexual and pedophile "Krishna's successor acharya's" program? Does the court also believe that homosexuals and pedophiles are in a chain of Krishna's successors, and they belong in samadhis -- as the Mumbai GBC promotes? Had Bangalore hired me as their lawyer, this would have ended day one in 1998. 

Hee hee, that would place the court into a panic right out of the gate for fumbling this around for so long. Yeah, this is the reason the GBC folks do not waste their time debating with PADA, we just go to the root issue right out of the gate, and they cannot defeat it. 

But if we start fumbling around with technical tit for tat -- the Direction of Management, this letter and that letter, we lose the main point, the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's sampradaya is not qualified to be Krishna's successors, and it is an insult to Krishna to say they are, full stop, end of story, period. 

Same problem I had with the British devotees when I opposed Jayatirtha. Well prabhu, you are uncouth and use bad language. OK, and then we had the chloroform gang attacking children at Croome Court while you guys were worried about bad language. It is amazing, people are more worried about PADA's bad language than ISKCON or its citizens, or even their own society's children. 

Same thing with HKC Jaipur people, they complain that PADA is always discussing "stinky stools," OK -- and what are we discussing? Krishna's children. They are only worried about bad language, not people, even defenseless children, even Krishna's children. They even openly admit they think Krishna's children are stinky useless stools. 

Then they make pretend they have no idea why these children are being abused, after helping the pedophile regime's branding ISKCON's children as useless stools. And that is why we are where we are now. Let us make 2026 the year to end all of this BS and get to the root of these problems. Long overdue.

ys pd

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ISKCON Files, an in-depth series uncovering the lesser-known history of ISKCON and the struggles and challenges faced by Vishwaguru Srila Prabhupada, the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON, from some of his own trusted leaders.
ISKCON Mumbai filed a Review Petition in the Supreme Court challenging the historic verdict delivered on 16 May 2025 in favour of ISKCON Bangalore.

After the hearing on 3 December, ISKCON Mumbai released a public statement claiming that the Supreme Court has agreed to a complete rehearing of the case. Their statement further makes incorrect assertions suggesting that ISKCON Bangalore—and even The Akshaya Patra Foundation—fall under the authority of ISKCON Mumbai.

What is the root cause of the long-standing, nearly 25-year dispute between ISKCON Mumbai and ISKCON Bangalore? To understand this properly and in its full depth, we must go back into history. His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON, began the movement in 1966. 

At the age of seventy, he journeyed to the West aboard a cargo ship, enduring two heart attacks during the voyage. ISKCON was thus founded through immense personal sacrifice and with the support of sincere seekers who were earnestly searching for the meaning of life.

However, the journey was not without challenges. As the movement grew, certain disciples of Srila Prabhupada were entrusted with positions of responsibility to help carry the mission forward. Over time, material ambitions began to surface, and Srila Prabhupada faced serious difficulties—sometimes even from within his own leadership.

In this first episode of Chapter 1, we examine the early days of ISKCON, the emergence of key figures, and the initial ideological tensions. Among them was His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami, whose desire to assume the role of a diksha guru became a significant point of concern.

Kirtanananda Swami promoted a vision of adapting ISKCON to Western cultural norms, believing this would make the movement more accessible and socially acceptable in the West. His approach emphasised institutional respectability, interfaith engagement, and outward forms aligned with mainstream Western religious structures. 

In the process, certain practices and standards established by Srila Prabhupada were reinterpreted or minimised the importance. Devotees viewed this as a risk to the integrity of Gaudiya Vaishnava siddhanta and a deviation from Srila Prabhupada’s explicit instructions. These differences revealed a deeper tension between adaptation and fidelity to the Founder-Acharya’s teachings.
In this episode, explore how Srila Prabhupada confronted these challenges and how he addressed them with clarity, authority, and uncompromising stance to siddhanta.

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VENEZUALA IS GETTING WORSE

Caracas-based reporter says Chavistas still in power

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MALATI

 PADA: MALATI. Right, you resigned but are still in their camp, like most of the original Srila Prabhupada disciples who are still hanging around ISKCON, who also "resigned" from their official posts a long time ago. But they hang around because they still get their free room and board bread and butter, in some cases servants, housing, vehicles, or maybe even some more wives, or other stipends or benefits, from ISKCON. 

ISKCON has had a number of these retired people still taking benefits, like for example Satsvarupa. "Resigned" ages and ages ago, but still has benefits rolling in and lifetime care. Yeah most of them are retired, and so are you, and yet most of them still hang around to get some cash or cashless inheritance. Meanwhile many of the rest of the rank and file are struggling to get any benefits, and will never get a penny from ISKCON. 

Resigning is good for them, then they do not have to answer for all the troubles they caused prior to their resigning. "Oh yeah that mess, well I am retired now, no comment about the past." ys pd

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DEMONS AND SAINTS from CHAT GPT

Please answer from the perspective of a PhD in Philosophy and Psychology.

I am having a hard time understanding how a person can be saintly AND very demonic at the same time. I just listened to a podcast that explained that different time lines exist simultaneously throughout the universe. Meaning a person may be saintly and simultaneously demonic due to Quantum Mechanics. Meaning someone can be in two different timelines ?

A person can be profoundly loving and also capable of cruelty, but this does not require them to be in two different quantum timelines at once; it reflects the normal complexity and fragmentation of one psyche.​
Quantum timelines vs. people

The podcast is mixing two very different things: a physics idea and a psychological / spiritual reality.

In the “many‑worlds” interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe’s wavefunction “branches” into many non‑interacting worlds when quantum events occur, giving many versions of “you” with shared pasts but different futures.​

Those other branches are, by definition, causally cut off from this one; the “you” here cannot directly live out what “you” there is doing, nor does physics use this to explain everyday morality or personality.​

So, strictly speaking, modern physics does not say that in this world, one human being is “simultaneously a saint and a demon” in the literal sense because of quantum branching.​
Psychological shadow and moral duality

Philosophy and depth psychology already have rich tools for understanding why the same person can feel saintly and demonic without appealing to multiverse physics.

Carl Jung’s notion of the shadow names the disowned or unconscious side of the personality, which includes not only selfish and violent tendencies but also positive, creative impulses that do not fit the conscious self‑image.​

The more a person clings to a consciously “pure” or “holy” self‑image, the more dangerous their unacknowledged shadow can become; it may erupt as cruelty, hypocrisy, or what feels like “possession” by something alien and dark.​

On this view, “saintly” and “demonic” are not two different versions in different universes; they are two poles of one fractured self, some parts conscious, others repressed or split off.​ Philosophical views: saint and sinner at once.

Traditions in moral philosophy and theology have long said that human beings are both noble and corrupt at the same time. In Christian thought influenced by Luther, the person is described as simul iustus et peccator — “simultaneously righteous and sinner”: wholly a sinner in actual desires and actions, yet wholly righteous in relation to God by grace.​

Contemporary writers use this to emphasize that the “saint” and the “sinner” are not two different entities but two aspects of one life, like a sick person who is genuinely ill yet also already “counted” as healed by a trustworthy physician.​

Philosophically, this points to a single self that is internally tension‑ridden, not to separate quantum selves in different worlds.​ Why people feel “demonic.” From a psychological–philosophical angle, the felt experience of being “very demonic” can be understood without multiverse language:

Strong aggression, envy, sexual impulses, or hatred that conflict with one’s conscious values are often projected outward and experienced as an evil other (demons, dark forces, “not really me”), especially in religious or occult frameworks.​

Trauma, dissociation, or rigid moral ideals can intensify this split, so that a person may appear outwardly saintly yet act in ways that even they later experience as if “a demon took over.”​

Philosophically, this is a problem of self‑knowledge and integration: the task is to recognize and take responsibility for one’s capacity for evil, not to attribute it solely to another timeline or entity.​ A way to reframe your question. Keeping your interest in metaphysical ideas in view, one coherent way to hold this is:

Physical level: Quantum multiverse theories (if true) describe multiple non‑interacting histories, but they are not needed to explain ordinary human goodness and evil.​

Psychological–spiritual level: Each person in this world is a unity that contains conflicting tendencies—compassion and cruelty, sacrifice and self‑interest—and the work of a lifetime is to become conscious of, and responsible for, both the “saint” and the “demon” within.​

If you want, the next step could be to look at one specific case (for example, an abuser who was also deeply religious or “kind”) and unpack what might be happening in that psyche in terms of shadow, dissociation, and moral self‑deception, without needing to invoke multiple timelines.

I am trying to understand how a wonderful God loving person can simultaneously be sexually abusing and physically abusing helpless children in their care. To me sexual abuse of a child is unforgivable. I personally perceive child sexual assaulters as sub human. How can this person truly love and worship God and also be a monster

A person can present as deeply devout and caring while also abusing children because their psyche is fractured: they split, compartmentalize, and deceive themselves so thoroughly that their “God‑loving self” and their “abuser self” hardly ever meet in consciousness. None of this makes what they do forgivable or less monstrous; it explains how such extreme hypocrisy is psychologically 

possible, not why it is excusable.​

Your moral intuition

Your sense that child sexual abuse is “unforgivable” and “sub‑human” reflects a very strong moral intuition about the absolute wrongness of violating a helpless child. From a philosophical and psychological standpoint, that intuition is a sign of a healthy capacity for moral horror in the face of radical evil, not an overreaction.​​

Many trauma theorists now speak of “moral injury” to name the deep rupture of meaning that happens when something this wrong is committed or witnessed; it shakes basic trust in human goodness and in God.​ Seeing the abuser as “sub‑human” is a way your psyche tries to protect itself: if they are “not really human,” then their capacity for evil feels less threatening to what you hope human beings are.​

From a philosophical–psychological view, the task is not to soften that judgment, but to understand the inner mechanisms that make such evil compatible with outward “saintliness.” Compartmentalization and double life

Abusers who are pillars of church or community almost always rely on compartmentalization and splitting.​ Compartmentalization is a defense where a person puts incompatible realities in separate “mental boxes” so they never look at them at the same time. An abuser can pray, preach, and cry about God’s love in one box, and in another box rape or beat a child, telling himself “this is different,” “this isn’t really me,” or “God understands.”​

Over time this becomes a full double life: to the public and even to parts of themselves, they are the generous, devout caregiver; in a secret compartment, disconnected from empathy and conscience, they enact cruelty and sexual exploitation.​

Psychologically, this is not healthy complexity; it is a profound disintegration of the self. The “God‑loving” persona is real as performance and feeling, but it is not allowed anywhere near the truth of what they are doing. Self‑deception, shadow, and religious cover.

Depth psychology and moral philosophy offer an additional layer: self‑deception and the shadow.​ Jung’s idea of the shadow is that the traits a person refuses to see in themselves (cruelty, lust, domination) are driven into the unconscious; they then emerge in uncontrolled and often perverse ways. Religious people who are obsessed with appearing pure are especially prone to pushing their “dark” impulses down rather than integrating them consciously.​

Hypocrisy becomes a kind of spiritual armor: the more they present themselves as righteous, the more they believe their own act and use it to justify or minimize their abuse (“I do so much good,” “God knows my heart,” “this is a temptation / test”).​

Philosophically, evil here is not just “lack of good,” but a twisting of freedom: using spiritual language and religious roles as instruments to violate the most vulnerable.​​ “Do they truly love God?” From a philosophical and theological perspective, this question cuts to the core: can someone who systematically abuses children be said to “truly” love God?

In most religious ethics, love of God is inseparable from love of neighbor, especially the vulnerable; persistent, secret abuse is therefore a direct contradiction of genuine love of God, whatever the person feels in worship.​

Psychologically, an abuser can have intense religious feelings—tears in prayer, ecstatic devotion—but feelings are not the same as integrated character. Their spirituality is split off from their moral life and often used to soothe guilt rather than to confront it.​

So one hard but honest answer is: they may sincerely experience themselves as loving and worshiping God in certain moments, but their actions show that they do not let that love govern the whole self. There is no coherent, whole‑person love of God while one is actively using children as objects.
Holding onto your own stance

Nothing in a sophisticated psychological account requires you to soften your moral stance toward child abuse or to “understand” in the sense of excusing.​

Understanding mechanisms like compartmentalization and shadow can help you keep your own sense of reality intact (“I’m not crazy; people really can be this split and deceptive”), and can validate why survivors are often disbelieved when a perpetrator looks so “good.”​

It is philosophically coherent to hold both: “This behavior is monstrous and may feel unforgivable” and “this was done by a human being whose capacity for self‑deception and evil shows how dangerous unintegrated religiosity and shadow can be.”​

If you’d like, the next step could be to look at one specific case (real or hypothetical) and map out, step by step, what kinds of inner stories and defenses such a person would have to use to live that double life—always keeping clear that explanation is not exoneration.