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These devotees have a really nice big temple program, which seems to be always crowded with visitors. And the government gave them control of a big cow protection property. Good service!

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Original Bhagavatam Reprint:  

https://www.gofundme.com/f/printing-of-the-original-1962-1964-1965-delhi-bhagavatams?

PADA: This was one of the first books I got in 1971. Very dear to me personally, and I hope we can get it reprinted. It is a rare jewel! 

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Mathura Pati Update

OK still some confusion on this, so here we go (again)!

Mathura Pati promotes the IRM against PADA, but Krishna Kant wanted me go to the Caribbean to work under Jayapataka. Neither the IRM or Mathura Pati has ever explained why it would be a good idea for me to work under the leader of a homosexual and pedophile "Auschwitz for kids" program. 

Meanwhile Jayapataka is a main suspect in the poisoning of Prabhupada. Notice how badly these guys select their "authorities." And many devotees think I would have disappeared for good in the Caribbean. And the IRM and Mathura Pati have never explained why I made a mistake rejecting their "authority"?      

Then Mathura Pati promotes as his authority and spokesman Bhakta das -- who was arrested for designer drugs and child porn. And he is the new authority of the Mathura Pati society. Welcome to the Mathura Pati "Prabhupada program" -- where you can listen to people who are -- Thai bar girl chasers, arrested for selling designer drugs, who get arrested for child porno, and who are cheer leaders of a Saint Radhanath pedophile guru program! Bring your kids! Why does Mathura Pati want children to accept a person arrested for child porn as their shiksha guru? 

So clearly when Mathura Pati says he is ONLY promoting Prabhupada, he has lied. He is instead promoting the cheer leaders of his homosexual and pedophile guru program, which is clearly not Prabhupada's. And thus he has lied that his homosexual and pedophile guru pal's program is -- Prabhupada's. 

It is not. 

He is still trying to juxtapose his Bhakta das / Saint Radhanath / homosexual and pedophile guru process with Prabhupada's, just like the GBC. And he is advertising his child porn arrested authority as the spokesman for his "Prabhupada society."   

But that is Mathura Pati's level of advancement, he finds a nice child porn arrested criminal who is promoting a pedophile guru process leader like Saint Radhanatha, and he bows down and makes that person his shiksha guru and the authority of his organization. And he advertises to the world that people should listen to his pedophile guru promoting pals. And then he says, he only listens to Prabhupada. Sorry this is a lie, Bhakta das and Saint Radhanath are NOT Prabhupada. 

And get your kids to come along! So this is called grooming of children. Mathura Pati is grooming children to listen to his friends glorification of his Saint Radhanath pedophile guru program, so he can entice children to worship his Saint Radhanath pedophile guru program. OK at this point, none of the other Prabhupadanugas are promoting Saint Radhanath or his cheer leaders.

Did If forget to mention there was an anal sex epidemic in the Mathura Pati / Bhakta das / Saint Radhanath program. So as soon as Mathura Pati finds a nice anal sex with children program cheer leader, he makes that person the authority of his institution.      

Sorry! Jayapataka is a prime suspect in the poisoning of Prabhupada. We cannot and will not accept him as an authority. Jayapataka's whispers are evidently on the poison tapes, which Mathura Pati's pal Krishna Kant told me NOT TO RELEASE so they could save their poison party pals. 

And Krishna Kant also said do NOT sue the BBTI for original books. So when Mathura Pati says he wants original books, that is another lie. He wanted me to surrender to the IRM and NOT have our original books lawsuit.

Mathura Pati never explains why he is promoting the people who want to save the evident killers / Judas party -- of pure devotees from being exposed. Of course, many people say, that is because he is a defender of these poisoners. Why does Mathura Pati work with the people who want to defend the poisoners of pure devotees from being exposed? OK some have said, he is a boot licker of Judas.  

And it is bona fide to quote Hari Sauri, Bhavananda's bucket boy. Oh yeah, another program that has created an anal sex epidemic. Mathura Pati knows how to pick his authorities! If it has "anus" and "sex" involved, he falls down on the ground and claims he has found his worshipable shiksha authority guru masters! And when he sees PADA is not worshiping his anal sex guru process, he starts crying and seeks shelter of the divine words of Hari Sauri to give him comfort! And he says Prahlad is a good devotee, because he cites Hari Sauri. 

OK Saint Radhanath's credibility is basically in the tank with PADA's readers, and almost zero of our readers think we should promote such persons like Radhanath -- or their Bhakta das cheer leaders. And some people are very upset that we need to promote the IRM complaints about PADA, without mentioning that the IRM wanted us to work with Jayapataka, the leader of the worst ISKCON molester program. In other words -- the Mathura Pati process -- lied. They never explain that they wanted PADA to surrender to the poisoners of pure devotee / molester camp in Mayapur party's leader Jayapataka.

More recently Mathura Pati has been openly quoting an ex-devotee who has since become a fanatical Christian, and who openly says he hates Prabhupada and the Krishna religion. OK so we also have to work with the people who hate Krishna to fix things. Yep, as soon as Mathura Pati finds a person who says he HATES KRISHNA, he falls downs and licks that person's shoes and asks them to become the shiksha guru of his organization. And now he is crying because PADA is not joining his Krishna haters society.    

Yep, let us find people who HATE KRISHNA and make them the authorities of the Mathura Pati program! Why does Mathura Pati always go to the slime ball people like Krishna haters, pedophile guru promoters, designer drug sellers, child porno programs folks and so on? Because, as Srila Prabhupada says, a man is known by his company, and that is the company he seeks out, because he is like them. Like minds attract!  

But I am honored, you guys have to work even with the Krishna haters and poisoners of pure devotee's party to oppose me, that means, my work must be a very important priority to some of you Judas / pedo guru defender guys. Did I forget to mention, it is too little too late, the cat is out of the bag already. 

Anyway, this is a good development, Mathura Pati's position is being more clear all the time. Let us surrender to the explanations of the Krishna haters, pedo guru lovers, child porno arrested deviants etc., that is how we will fix things. And PADA is bogus because he is not joining Mathura Pati's pedo guru and Krishna hater's society! And he is not in the Caribbean under the authority of Judas! Oh boo hoo, gimmee a kleenex please already! 

Told ya!

ys pd 

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ORIGINAL BOOKS QUOTES

These are 20 authentic quotes:

No, the printing of the Gitar Gan cover this fashion is not at all approved by me. You have done most nonsensically. Why change the cover? When people look to see the Bhagavad-gita they expect to see Krishna and Arjuna, not the picture of Krishna with cow. You have done a great mistake by changing the front picture and it will hamper the sale. In future you don't do any changes without asking me first.’

Letter to: Bhargava

Dated: May 29, 1976

Location: Honolulu

‘You may title this book, Teachings of Lord Kapila, but it must be subtitled, "The Son of Devahuti". That will remain, do not try to change it. The Americans may like it or not like it, but we must make the distinction between devahuti putra kapila, and the atheistic Kapila. Do not try to change anything without my permission.’

Letter to: Radhavallabha

Dated: Aug. 26, 1976

Location: New Delhi

‘Please accept my blessings. With reference to your letter to Harikesa dated 21st inst., regarding the purport, 2nd paragraph to Bhagavatam 2.2.38, it is clear. Do not try to change anything.’

Letter to: Gopiparanadhana

Dated: Sept. 28, 1976

Location: Vrindaban

‘I also do not like too much editorial work. This too much editorial work on Gitopanisad has created some misunderstanding between the editorial staffs. Anyway, in future, one man should edit it and be sufficient for our printing. And I do not want that Lord Caitanya's Teachings should be edited again and typed again and waste time in that way.’

Letter to: Satsvarupa

Dated: Dec. 23, 1967

Location: San Francisco

‘Our actual credit is that we are simply repeating Bhagavad-gita As It Is without changing it, altering it or adding any mundane opinion. We simply repeat what previous acarya have said and that is our merit.’

Letter to: S. K. Roy

Dated: Dec. 16, 1974

Location: Bombay

‘I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 4 March, 1970, along with the edited copy of the Foreword to KRSNA. Thank you very much. The few alterations of dates is approved by me, so it is alright.’

Letter to: Hayagriva

Dated: March 9, 1970

Location: Los Angeles

The nonsense, they are... They are correcting my trans... Rascal. Who has done this? Munayaḥ is addressing all these munis.

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

Such a rascal Sanskrit scholar. Here it is addressed, sambodhana, and they [indistinct] it---"munayaḥ---of the munis." It is very risky to give to them for editorial direction. Little learning is dangerous. However proper Sanskrit scholar, little learning, dangerous. Immediately they become very big scholars, high salaried, and write all nonsense. Who they are? [pause] Then?

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

Prabhupāda: Distorting. What can I do? These cannot... These rascals cannot be educated. Dangerous. Little learning, dangerous. So how to correct? The leader of these dangerous---Rādhā-vallabha.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rādhā-vallabha?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. He's a dangerous, who maintains these rascal with this work. He'll always have questions and alteration. That is his business. That is American business. They take that always. What can I do? Ultimate, it goes for editorial. They make changes, such changes.

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

These rascal editorial... That Easy Journey, original, this [indistinct] Hayagrīva has changed so many things.

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

So you... What you are going... It is very serious situation. You write one letter that "Why you have made so many changes?" And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarūpa that "This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim." The next printing should be again to the original way.

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

So write them immediately, that "The rascal editors, they are doing havoc, and they are being maintained by Rāmeśvara and party."

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

So they are doing very freely and dangerously. And this rascal is always after change, Rādhā-vallabha. He's a great rascal. [long pause] Read.

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

So everything is explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And then these unfortunate rascals, they are distorting. What can I do? How to stop it?

Type: Conversation

Date: June 22, 1977

Location: Vṛndāvana

We are therefore presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. We do not change. Why should you change? What right you have got to change? If Bhagavad-gītā is a book of authority, and if I make my own interpretation, then where is the authority? Can you change the law book according to your interpretation? Then what is the meaning of that law book? That is not law book. You cannot change. Similarly, if you accept Bhagavad-gītā as the book of authority, you cannot change the meaning. That is not allowed. What right? If you have got some opinion, if you have got some philosophy, you can write in your own book.

Type: Bhagavad-gita

Date: April 27, 1974

Location: Hyderabad

‘I have seen on the new books printed that on the spine of the jacket the words “Bhaktivedanta Book Trust” have been omitted. Formally they were there on all the books. It is understood from Ramesvara that you removed these words. Why did you do this? Who authorized it? Did Bali Mardan authorize it? These things must be there. Please see to it.’

Letter to: Jayadvaita

Dated: Dec. 2, 1974

Location: Bombay

You cannot interpret my book in your own way. That is not allowed. No gentleman will do that. You, if you have got a different view, you put your views in your own book. Don't drag my book. That is honesty. And because my book is popular, you take advantage of my book, and you interpret in your own way, this is most dishonest. You cannot do that.

Type: Conversation with Dr Copeland

Date: May 20, 1975

Location: Melbourne

‘I have received back the edited papers on Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Brahmananda & others cannot change the style. They want to see if there is any grammatical discrepancy.’

Letter to: Satsvarupa

Dated: Jan. 22, 1968

Location: Los Angeles

‘I have sent a few tapes to Bhagavan das. He sends to you his edited copies and they may be made final. I want two editings only, just to see if there is any grammatical or spelling mistake.’

Letter to: Satsvarupa

Dated: Feb. 15, 1970

Location: Los Angeles

Of course, I am not well versed in your language, but you simply, if you understand that English and translate it into Parsi, that will do. As it is, you translate. Don't make any change. Then it will be all right. [Ātreya Ṛṣi translates] And when there is difficulty, you can ask Ātreya Ṛṣi. Harikeśa.

Not Understanding -- What? / Mahatma Second Thoughts / Book Changes Quotes from SP / 04 27 24

 

NOT UNDERSTANDING -- WHAT?

LD: Mathura Pati says he cannot understand PADA. He cannot understand ... children should not be beaten and raped? And that needs to be stopped? Where did they dig up this less than animal creature ... to represent Krishna? He does not understand that beating and raping children needs to be stopped? WTF!!!!

He does not understand? We understand who he is quite clearly, he is another enforcer of the GBC child beating and rapes program. And he is angry someone is stopping his program. I have no idea why this person ... who has no idea that children beatings and rapes is wrong ... and needs to be stopped ... claims to be a devotee of God? He needs to be exposed ... and I am also going to do that too.

These child beating and rape defenders need to be removed from the devotee society. Kuli girl was stopped from being abused, and Mathura Pati is angry she was saved? WTF!!!! He does not understand, because the child beating and rape program people also never understand. These GBC people just walk around like nothing is wrong here, and he is one of them. We understand it all very clear.

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MAHATMA HAS SECOND THOUGHTS

DD: Mahatma Prabhu has asked that this message be posted. He noted the concerns that others had raised about a comment that he had made in a recent class and is seeking to clarify his stance regarding child protection. Apparently he was unable to post it himself.

"In light of the present increased concern over protecting our children, I can understand that based on me quoting Srila Prabhupada saying “not to blame the agent of our karma” and adding that “karma is our teacher,” it appeared that I am condoning or empowering child abusers and/or sending a message to the abused that it is your karma that you were abused. That was never the intent of these quotes, neither have I ever said this – or would ever say this – to anyone, child or adult, who has been abused.

Please know that I have taught workshops for twenty years and have helped abused devotees heal, but never within the context of justifying or condoning abuse in the name of karma. But you helped me understand how sensitive we have to be when talking about karma and I will be more careful in the future in order to avoid giving the impression that the victims are responsible for the abuse they suffered and the perpetrators are innocent agents of one’s karma. .
Like all of you, I was shocked, heartbroken, and sickened to learn about the abuse that has gone on in our schools. I stand firmly in support of efforts to prevent abuse in all its forms within ISKCON. Moving forward, I am committed to continuing my support for child protection and healing, both through workshops and on a one-to-one basis."

PADA: Yeah you are part of a program that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills vaishnavas, then you give them therapy classes after the fact. Told ya! ys pd

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CHANGING THE BOOKS (Garuda Dasa)

Dear Esteemed Vaishnava Gentlewomen and Gentlemen:

I offer all of you my heartfelt pranamas. Srila Prabhupada ki jaya! I also offer all of you fifty-six (56) instances in which Srila Prabhupada expresses one way or another that he does not want tampering with his books, the way that the Jayadvaita S. and Dravida Das have been doing over the decades, which are now being supported and promoted by the likes of Radhikaramana Das, Krishna Ksetra S., Banu S., and others:

"This is very serious subject matter, and we cannot allow deviations to infiltrate. Therefore, we have to maintain the standards and not divert by changing the books to fit the public or whims of some self-interested persons."(Letter to Jayadvaita, July 2, 1975)

"So these imperfectness, discrepancy, is not to be added with these books. That is our request. You should not add this discrepancy or that discrepancy, so many discrepancies. Otherwise, that is not very good service. To study imperfectness from the perfect person, that is all right, but to study perfectness from imperfect person, that is not all right."(Morning Walk, May 4, 1974)

"The editing should remain as it is. The so-called scholars' opinions and interpretations are not very important. The most important thing is that we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is."(Letter to Bali Mardan, April 29, 1974)

"Regarding the changes in the books, no, you cannot do it. Once published, whatever is done is done."(Letter to Radhavallabha, July 11, 1977)

"Our books must remain as they are. Do not change anything."(Letter to Ramesvara, April 10, 1977)

"Our books must not be changed. This is the sum and substance of my order. Let me hear further from you in this connection."(Letter to Ramesvara, April 10, 1977)

"Regarding changing the cover pictures, no, you should not do that. The pictures must remain as they are."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 10, 1975)

"Regarding your question about using reference materials from other editions of the Gītā: I have already answered this question several times. The authorized edition is the Macmillan edition. That’s all."(Letter to Ramesvara, January 27, 1977)

"Regarding your questions: I have already answered many of these questions. We cannot make any changes in the books. So whatever mistakes there may be, that should be corrected by the editors, not by changing the style."(Letter to Radhavallabha, July 9, 1977)

"Regarding your question about how to read my books, the method is that you must read one chapter, then the purport, then the verse. If you have understood the purport, then attempt to say it in your own words. This is important."(Letter to Lalit Bihari, February 6, 1976)

"Concerning the purports to Brahma-samhita, you should inform the publisher that the author of the book, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, specifically states that the production should not be changed, that it is perfect as it is. You should insist on seeing all the proofs before it goes to the printer."(Letter to Karandhara, April 24, 1974)

"Regarding your question about removing material that has been added unnecessarily, yes, that should be done."(Letter to Jagadisha, August 13, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the cover pictures, no, they must remain as they are. We cannot change. The cover picture for Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, has been specifically chosen and it must remain as it is."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 10, 1975)

"The original books are still available and must be followed completely. There is no need to change what I have written. There is no need to add or subtract anything. My instructions are complete in my books."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 22, 1977)

"So far as your ideas to change or introduce something in the books, that is not at all advisable. You cannot change anything or add anything in these books."(Letter to Bhagavan, July 22, 1972)

"If there is any doubt about the meaning of any Sanskrit or Bengali text, then you should ask Pradyumna. But from now on, do not change anything. Whatever is already there, that should remain."(Letter to Jagadisa, April 28, 1975)

"Regarding the wording of the verse, there is no need for changing anything, it is alright."(Letter to Karandhara, May 26, 1975)

"I have given you everything fully, so now it is your responsibility to finish what I have begun. You must preserve and increase whatever I have given you, not spoil or reduce it. The success of your preaching will be substantiated by how much you can deliver the message purely." (Letter to Gurukripa, December 12, 1974)

"Regarding your question about editing and grammar, there is no need for any editing or grammatical correction in my books. The only thing that is required is that they should be published as they are."(Letter to Brahmananda, September 30, 1976)

"Regarding your question about changing the Srimad-Bhagavatam, you should not do this. You cannot change anything. Whatever is there is alright."(Letter to Karandhara, May 28, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the books, there is no question of changing anything. Whatever is there is all right."(Letter to Gurudasa, May 1, 1975)

"So far your question about changing the format, the format can be changed slightly to make it more attractive. The text matter cannot be changed or edited in any way."(Letter to Ramesvara, August 15, 1975)

"There is no need for changing anything. The books are already authoritative."(Letter to Brahmananda, January 8, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the cover picture of Teachings of Lord Caitanya, no, you should not do that. The picture must remain as it is."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 10, 1975)

"Regarding the change in wording of Mantra Seven, it is not to be changed. Do not add anything or take anything away, that is strictly prohibited."(Letter to Jadurani, August 28, 1974)

"Regarding changing the appearance of the books, this is not good. The books are not to be changed."(Letter to Ramesvara, July 13, 1975)

"You may ask these questions to me directly and I can answer them. But you cannot change anything. That is not allowed."(Letter to Bali Mardan, September 26, 1976)

"Regarding your question about changing some of the older books, that should not be done. There is no need for any changes."(Letter to Brahmananda, September 30, 1976)

"Regarding the cover changes on my books, I am very much dissatisfied if there are any changes in the cover."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 23, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the spelling, no, you should not do this. The spelling should remain as it is."(Letter to Karandhara, May 26, 1975)

"So far as your question about the New York address, there is no need for changing anything. Whatever is there is alright."(Letter to Madhudvisa, April 11, 1976)

"Regarding your question about adding footnotes, no, there is no need for that. The books should be published as they are, without any changes."(Letter to Jayadvaita, August 11, 1975)

"You are right when you say that it is not necessary to try to improve on what I have given in the book. [...] Our first duty is to repeat what we have heard from our spiritual master, and if we do it without any adulteration, that is perfection."(Letter to Satsvarupa, February 14, 1970)

"It is not good to change our position, the way of preaching should remain the same, but the presentation may be changed or modified to make it still more effective."(Letter to Bhakta dasa, May 22, 1972)

"Regarding your question about changing the verse, that should not be done. You cannot change anything."(Letter to Radhavallabha, June 9, 1977)

"So far your question about changing things in the future: No, there is no question of changing anything."(Letter to Mandali Bhadra, May 28, 1975)

"Regarding the story of Lord Jesus Christ, we have no objection to your adding these stories along with others from our scriptures, but we cannot add anything by our own caprice."(Letter to Mukunda, February 6, 1970)

"So far your question about changing the translation, no, you cannot do that. The translation should remain as it is."(Letter to Jayadvaita, July 11, 1977)

"Regarding changing the spelling of words, no, you should not do that. The spelling should remain as it is."(Letter to Madhudvisa, September 15, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is to Bhagavad-gītā As It Was, no, you should not do that. It should remain as it is."(Letter to Jayadvaita, August 11, 1975)

"So far your question about changing the verse, no, there is no need for changing anything."(Letter to Ramesvara, July 7, 1977)

"Regarding your question about changing the Sanskrit words to English, no, you cannot do that. Everything should remain as it is."(Letter to Radhavallabha, April 26, 1977)

"Regarding changing the books, I have already written that there is no need for changes. No, you cannot do that."(Letter to Bhagavan, July 22, 1972)

"So far your question about changing the manuscript, no, that should not be done. Whatever is there is alright."(Letter to Karandhara, May 28, 1975)

"Regarding your question about changing the original manuscript, no, you cannot do that. It should remain as it is."(Letter to Jayadvaita, August 14, 1974)

"Regarding changing the books, no, that cannot be done. The books are already perfect. There is no need for any changes."(Letter to Tamala Krishna, July 27, 1970)

"So far your question about changing the style, no, you should not do that. The style should remain as it is."(Letter to Radhavallabha, June 10, 1975)

"Regarding changing the wording of the verse, no, you should not do that. The wording should remain as it is."(Letter to Svarupa Damodara, June 21, 1975)

"Regarding changing the style of my books, no, you cannot do that. The style should remain as it is."(Letter to Bali Mardan, June 11, 1975)

"Regarding changing the appearance of the books, no, you should not do that. The appearance should remain as it is."(Letter to Bali Mardan, June 11, 1975)

"Regarding changing the cover, no, you cannot do that. The cover must remain as it is."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 23, 1975)

"Regarding changing the style, that should not be done. The style should remain as it is."(Letter to Hamsaduta, June 10, 1975)

"Regarding changing the manuscript, no, you cannot do that. The manuscript should remain as it is." (Letter to Hamsaduta, May 28, 1975)

"Regarding changing the verse, no, you should not do that. The verse should remain as it is."(Letter to Ramesvara, June 7, 1975)

"Regarding changing the books, no, you cannot do that. The books should remain as they are."(Letter to Satsvarupa, August 28, 1973)

"Regarding your question about changing the translation, no, you should not do that. The translation should remain as it is."(Letter to Ramesvara, July 11, 1977)

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Mathura Pati and His FBI Most Wanted Pal 04 25 24

 https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/zero-tolerance-on-the-abuse-of-hare-krishna?

PADA: Yes Mathura Pati prabhu, thanks for your first question. Right, the Tattva Darshan arrest story was originally posted by me, that is how people got to know of it. I believe you are correct, it was mishandled, however this was a case in Cambodia and it was not an ISKCON center or ISKCON kids being involved. 

I did not think people like Mahasringha should have gone there to bail him out etc., so I agreed -- it was a mistake to support him at that time. And I said that at the time. The Cambodia authorities contacted me about the issue, and I told them I was the main person exposing the case here. 

So it is a little odd that I am allegedly supporting Tattva, when I am the original person exposing Tattva. I never said I could not expose him, rather I was the person who originally exposed him. None of the other devotees even knew about the case until I posted it. You are claiming I did not expose him, when I was the original person who did. You keep re-writing history.  

So it was a bad situation, Tattva Darshan claims he was set up, some people believed him, but it is impossible for me to say what really happened there. But meanwhile I never advocated for him because I tended to accept he has some problems, which is why I reported his case in public to notify the devotee community to beware. I never retracted or changed that position, nor did I remove the original news story from my blog.    

Meanwhile Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur and yourself (Mathura Pati) have been promoting Bhakta das (William Benedict) as your authority and spokesman. Whereas PADA never promoted Tattva as our authority and / or spokesman.

And your friends like Prahlad and the HKC Jaipur guys even promoted a video made with Bhakta das speaking on their behalf on their site. And Mathura Pati, you have many times quoted Bhakta recently as your authority. 

For example, Bhakta das says that PADA is "writing about stools" -- which some of the victims are really offended by -- asking me, "why is Bhakta das saying that your writing about ISKCON's children equals writing about stools"? So this has really upset a lot of victims, that it appears the people in your camp refer to children as "stinky stools." 

Of course we are ALSO writing about the policy of changed books etc., which evidently is more "stinky stools" topic for you guys and so on and so forth. So it looks like Bhakta das does not like any of the issues we forwarded, and neither does the GBC. However implying that children and shastra are stinky stools is not winning you any credibility. People keep asking me -- why you Mathura Pati guys keep saying children and Krishna's books are -- stinky stools? WTF?   

And of course Bhakta was arrested in the USA for selling designer drugs like Procaine components. He skipped bail and fled to Thailand. And then he went to Puri India, where he was arrested for sex crimes, I was told part of the issue was some sort of child porn. [See portion of the Puri case filing below].

Allegedly, someone's minor aged daughter was being filmed having sex there, and Bhakta was charged and put into the Tihar jail. But Bhakta had already told me he likes to cavort with young Thai bar girls, which is why he hangs out in Bangkok. So he already had a sex addiction problem ongoing.  

And designer drugs were labelled as dangerous by the FDA because they can cause all sorts of problems, including induced abortions. Sulochana told me that New Vrndavana people were helping Bhakta's East Coast distribution. 

Meanwhile Bhakta das is friends with Saint Radhanath, and he told me I am offending Saint Radhanath. In other words, Mathura Pati, it looks like you find a person to serve as your spokesman / shiksha guru who is -- A: arrested for selling dangerous drugs that can cause abortions; B: he is arrested in Puri for sex crimes and maybe child porn, and the only reason Bhakta gets out of jail in India is the FBI wanted him back here for the drug charges. 

And C: Mathura Pati is a fan of Bhakta das -- who also promotes Saint Radhanath. OK same Saint Radhanath that Henry Doktorski details was part of the Sulochana hit job. But Tattva Darshan, the person we never forward as our spokesman, is the problem? But you guys program's great Saint Radhanath is also charged by many New Vrndavana kulis with -- being complicit in the mass child abuse there. OK you guys are promoting the cheer leader of a molesting and murder cult. 

So the people you are promoting have direct links to the Saint Radhanath child abuse regime in ISKCON, which has been my main concern. Although granted "devotees" like Bhakta das going out with Thai bar girls is not something we would recommend or authorize either. That is also a highly exploiting and abusing problem. Nor is there any proof that any of these Thai bar girls were not minors when your hero writer Bhakta das was exploiting them. 

That is why none of us can understand why you folks would keep promoting such a person as your authority all the time? Tattva was allegedly going out with bar girls as well, but we are not making videos of him to act as our spokesman.     

And Sanat / Mukunda / Prahad/ HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati etc. have been citing Bhakta das as their authority repeatedly for years together. In other words, they make a person who sells dangerous designer drugs, who hangs out with Thai bar girls, who is arrested for sex crimes and maybe child porn, and who promotes Saint Radhanath, as your guys cited and quoted spokesman. How did this guy become your spokesman and authority? Yeah, many people say Bhakta das is even a worse hypocrite than the GBC gurus, at least the GBC gurus try to put on a clean act, Bhakta doesn't even try. 

Why is Bhakta das a good spokesman for the Prabhupada people? Oh yeah I forgot, Bhakta also promoted BV Puri who was stealing devotees from ISKCON by re-initiating them. Even the GBC eventually complained that BV Puri was exploiting ISKCON.

Anyway yes, Tattva is a criminal, and that is why he is going to the same festivals in India as Bhakta das. And that is why we never make Bhakta das or Tattva our spokesmen. Tattva and Bhakta das both attend GBC guru functions, so I am not sure why one rotten apple is clearly better than the other? Why are we even arguing if one rotten apple is less rotten than the other?

But this is good news. I have to defend my alleged NOT exposing Tattva, who WAS exposed by me? That makes no sense. I don't have to defend NOT exposing the person I DID expose? Are you guys smoking something over there? And where do you and / or Bhakta das expose Tattva? 

Whereas your own self advertised spokesman, whose words you guys promote all the time is:

1) Arrested for selling dangerous designer drugs -- which might produce spontaneous abortions -- among many other ailments. OK sometimes people go on killing sprees when they take designer drugs etc. And you are upset I am not joining you in glorifying the people making this into a business?

2) Bhakta's designer drugs business is alleged by Sulochana to be part of New Vrndavana East Coast distribution.

3) Bhakta admits to me he goes out with Thai bar girls, and honestly, does he know their real age? And even if they are over 18, it is still exploiting.

4) Bhakta's business is raided by the FBI and makes bad publicity all over the newspapers.

5) Bhakta skips bail and hides out in Thailand.

6) Bhakta is arrested in Puri for sex crimes which allegedly involve child porn / minors. Which is in the newspapers.

7) Bhakta promotes BV Puri, who is reinitiating devotees away from ISKCON. 

8) Bhakta is promoting Saint Radhanath, who is credited with running a big child mistreatment camp at New Vrndavana. And their guru there was having oral sex with boys in the motorhome. And Radhanath looks like he is involved in the taking out of Sulochana. 

9) You keep quoting the Krishna Kant IRM, who wanted me to go on vacation in the Caribbean under Jayapataka. Why do you guys always want me to work with the Auschwitz for kids program's leader? Sorry, I am not interested in working with your guys Auschwitz for kids program's leader, and it is sad I have to keep reminding you guys. Even my kids told me, neither I would have survived on your guy's plan to go to the Caribbean under Jayapataka, it was a set up to have me eliminated.  

OK, we could go on here. But why is your guys promoting the cheer leaders of a homosexual and pedophile guru program that bans, beats, molests, sues, and kills people -- a good idea? 

9) Oh yeah, the HKC Jaipur was citing Hari Sauri that me and Sulochana are sahajiyas, which Sulochana said -- was painting a bulls eye on us to get us killed. And thanks your guy's writer giving a dog a bad name, to hang it, Sulochana was killed. Why are you guys big giant fans of the people who get Vaishnavas killed, for protesting child abuse? And why are you with Saint Tutu pada's main henchmen, at all? The whole buggery guru program was going on in the Hari Sauri domain, and so he is you guy's hero writer? 

Anyway, yeah Tattva is another Bhakta dasa, they both like bar girls. But Tattva is not being promoted or cited as an authority by me. So, if you want to see who is worse, well OK many people think me exposing Tattva was not done well. OK fine, but that does not give you a licence to promote Bhakta das just because mistakes were made with Tattva. 

Meanwhile, all this history of Bhakta das has been on my blogs for years now, and the problem seems to be, you never study anything before commenting. Either that, or you are factually in bed with: -- the designer drugs program that can cause abortions; thai bar girls program; being arrested for sex crimes and /or child porn program;  Bhakta's Saint Radhanatha program that molested and killed people; and the Hari Sauri program that promoted Saint Tutu pada. But thanks for your first question, and already many folks told me  -- you are in bed with the wrong people. 

In sum, I said you are a promoting a defender of a violent homosexual and pedophile cult, like Bhakta dasa, and you are. We just need to know when you are going to start working with us, the people who are not fans of the pedophile gurus? Sorry, we are making Prabhupada our guru and not the pedo padas. 

But it is pretty simple really. I helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of the GBC schools, and evidently helped stop the suicides of many more victims. And that means -- by now -- we would have saved thousands of kids from entering those schools. And the Auschwitz for kids program could never forgive me for saving these victims of their program. I get it. 

Sulochana said they are tossing kids into a wood chipper, and I cut off the supply of victims. Of course, that means those of you feeding children into the chipper would object. That would NOT make any wood chipper operator happy! And the IRM wanted me to go to the Caribbean under the leader of that program, and you are in bed with that program. So it looks like you are just upset, you were exposed? Meanwhile we have asked you these questions for years, and instead of answering, you asked me a question. That is called GBC stalling technique.

Anytime you want to write to me a point for point counter to this article, you are free to do so, by sending to my e-mail. And then we can take it from there.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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Bhakta das's "Radhanath Swami revival."

Bhakta das (William G Benedict): His Holiness Radhanath Swami Maharaja will be speaking at Srila B.V. Puri Maharaja's sacred ashram next to the Gundica Temple on July 12, 2013. Radhanatha Maharaja often visited with Srila Puri Maharaja. Srila BV Puri Maharaja liked him and called him a "sadhu".

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Orissa Court Filing

Orissa High Court

William George Benedict Alias Bhakta ... vs State Of Orissa on 20 June, 2001

2. From the averments made in the petition it appears that on the basis of the written report lodged by one Maria Schmidova alias Mangala Devi Dasi, Sea Beach Police Station Case No. 75 of 2000, corresponding to G. R. Case No. 716 of 2000 in the file of S.D.J.M., Puri, was registered for the offences alleged to have been committed under the aforesaid provisions of law.

The report was in German language and could only be translated into English later. From 9-9-2000 the investigation started. The allegations in the F.I.R. are that the informant had-come to India on 27-9-1999 accompanied by one Kunja Bihari Das, Inter-pol Officer and while coming to Puri she was introduced to one Arjun, brother of the co-accused Mayapuri Chandra in the train. 

On his recommendation she stayed in Hotel Gandhara. The informant accompanied him to Gopinath Gaudia Math in the evening where she was introduced to the co-accused Ashok Sahu and Kunja Bihari Das and the aforesaid Ashok Sahu expressed his desire to marry her. 

Thereafter the informant left for Austria and they continued to communicate over telephone even after her return to Austria and in December, 2000 she came back to Puri on the invitation of Ashok Sahu and both of them stayed at Basu Hotel, Puri, where both of them had cohabitation. 

In January, 2000 she left Puri for Austria and returned with her minor daughter Tulsi Devi in March, 2000. After coming back to Pun the informant stayed with Ashok Sahu in a rented house at Bajia Panda and during her stay Ashok introduced her to the co-accused Mandali Bhadra Prabhu. 

On 28-6-2000 the informant learnt from one Sanjay that Ashok was a homo-sexual and on return home she managed to lead Ashok to the adjoining room where she was locked by him. She further stated in the F.I.R. that on 30-6-2000 she learnt from her daughter Tulsi that Ashok Sahu and Mayapuri Chandra came to Tulsi's room and committed acts of sexual perversion and made a video film of the incident. 

BVKS Video Disappears / Laughing is Wrong Response / ISKCON Ethics Void Etc. 04 25 24

*** Bhakti Vikas Swami On Child Abuse.

*** Starts out by glorifying a predator.

*** His original video has been deleted.

*** CAN SOMEONE SEND ME THE TRANSCRIPT

OF THE ORIGINAL?

PADA: Thanks prabhu, yes BVKS does look rather ghostly ghoulish, and he seems to be bewildered and grasping at straws to justify their -- mass child abuse, worshiping pedophiles as acharyas, burying pedophiles in samadhis etc. -- regime -- and so on and so forth. 

And anyone who opposes their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's project, is going against shastra, and might become a ghost? Grasping at straws is really being overly kind to him. He is literally drowning in his own self made ocean of mass mistreatment of children, women, devotees, cows and all the rest. And yeah prabhu, when we tried to unstuck the ISKCON toilet full of poop, he helped have us removed, so he could drown ISKCON in an ocean of poop.  

And he already looks like a ghost? Yeah prabhu. His program is the "enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs project," and he is one of the enforcers. They are all starting to look like ghosts. 

He may lose disciples, no kidding, some of them wrote to me how disgusted they are with their BVKS pedo messiah's project's orchestrator, band leader, cheer leader, hand maiden, supporter, defender, shastric advisor, legal counsel, promoter, and overall jack booted assistant thug for the violence against children and Auschwitz for kids program. He is trying to defend the indefensible, and that will not work indefinitely. Yeah, he should be apologizing now, and he will be forced to later -- when he goes to Yamaraja -- if he does not do so here. ys pd      

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https://www.iskcontruth.com/2011/10/eminent-madhva-sampradaya-scholars.html?

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LAUGHING IS THE WRONG RESPONSE

PADA: Very funny indeed prabhu! First of all, what is funny about any of this? Children are being mass mistreated, they are taking their lives, my friends are getting taken out, and that is funny for-- whom? Yeah, Mathura Pati's pal Prahlad was discussing me on a video and he was laughing and joking the whole time. 

For you to say "that is funny prabhu" is why we have had to go to the karmi law enforcement, media and so on for help, the joker sector would not help. The karmis are with me, they don't think any of this is fun or funny. I have had so many devotees laugh and joke when I report serious issues, and that is why I had to use the karmis as my main helpers. 

I am not judging anything personally, so many devotees give me the cheeze cake "that is funny prabhu" smile when I reported things to them, they all think it is a comedy show and have all along. It is not funny for the victims. One of them just wrote me [I have heard from maybe thousands] that they are STILL having PTSD nightmares still -- and they have trouble functioning in the world. 

And that is time to bring on the comedy hour show? Yeah I take issue with it because that has been the main "devotee" response I get all the time, oh it is that crazy fool blabbing again, it is all a comedy show. And some of my other friends told me the same thing, when Mathura Pati types talk about me, they laugh and joke, they think this is all comedy show funny. That is not why we expose him personally, we expose not only him -- but all the laughing jokers, because they are all the same people who enabled all this. 

They laughed, while others suffered, and that means -- they have to be exposed -- and many people are helping me expose them -- because they are mortified by all this and they understand that "that is funny prabhu" is the wrong response to this issue, full time and all the time, the wrong response. 

I am quick to be offended? I am not offended at all. I am against the people who joke about mass child mistreatment and having people who oppose it taken out, no offense involved, that is just called plain following dharma. Has nothing to do with offense or non offense to me personally. Laughing at the suffering of others is called demoniac in the Vedic shastras, this idea is trillions of years old, it has nothing to do with me or my ideas made in recent times. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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PADA The IRM are not really attacking JPS fully, for example they are still saying that JPS whispers on the November tape are "PADA's bogus theories." They are still covering for him. 

And they are still saying we should not have addressed JPS' role in the child mistreatment, we were wrong to address that issue, so the children would go on suffering, and even losing their lives. In other words, they were compromised then and still are now. 

And they still have not explained why it was a big mistake for me to get the BBTI rights, and I should not antagonize JPS with the BBTI lawsuit, and so on. They have never explained any of this. And neither they ever told me they think it was a mistake to send me to the Caribbean under JPS care. They have never officially told me that their being in bed with JPS was wrong, and I did the right thing by rejecting their plans. 

In other words, it looks like they are still upset I am not sitting in the Caribbean under JPS care right now. They never told me anything else. Neither anyone ever tells me why I should have gone off to the Caribbean under the IRM plan. They didn't change any of this, ever, by telling me their plan is -- wrong. They just keep the same complaints they made in 1999 on their sites now, meanwhile many people have agreed with me, their Caribbean plan was meant ... to get rid of me. 

So they are against Jayapataka, and they are against the people who are against Jayapataka, so that is called hypocrisy, as many children victims told me they are. I cannot even print herein what some victims have said about these IRM folks JPS compromisers. However, one victim told me, they wanted to get rid of you so they could get rid of us ... ys pd

PADA: Apparently, the BVKS video has disappeared. But BVKS met me in person maybe ten years ago and he said "your writings are famous all over the ISKCON world." So yeah, he cannot say he did not know about the issue of child mistreatment, he knew -- and he told me he knew. I also told him -- my life has been in peril, and he just chuckled. Big hah hah for these guys, when people like local law enforcement, the FEDS, Dr. Stilson Judah, media folks, my family etc. were mortified that I was challenging the BVKS process. They knew that I was in fact in peril. ys pd

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DD: It is because there is a serious void where fundamental ethics/morals/values should be.

It's so evident that it can make one question the whole philosophy as presented to us itself. If this is the Kali-Yuga (the most degraded age no matter what anyone does) and our primary goal is to escape the material world, then why be surprised when devotees don't give the slightest fuck about any issue, whether it is child abuse or climate change. that doesn't concern their own salvation directly

It is also because Prabhupada's immediate successors decided that ethics and morals and laws didn't apply to them, setting an example that a lot of devotees still follow today, even if unconsciously. It's real easy to ignore the serious issues and the world burning around you when you're on the transcendental platform with your transcendental ethics.

I used to think my diksa-guru and the community that surrounds him were the most enlightened people in the universe. But I haven't heard a peep from any of them about sexual abuse. In fact, when two of them hosted their fabulous #1 in the world Hare Krishna podcast a few weeks ago about the Peacock New Vrindavan documentary, their focus was not the abuse, but how much they didn't want their students at Princeton to watch the documentary. They then proceeded to have a geek-out session about how cool and exotic New Vrindavan seemed to them back in the day.

Not a single serious word about the trail of corpses and sexually abused children. One of the podcast hosts is the Hindu chaplain at Princeton and someone who should know a lot better than he does...

I remember when I was a very young and naive bhakta taking a field trip with some of the devotees from the Detroit temple. I was at the University of Michigan at the time in the film program and decided to bring a camera to make a documentary of the visit. Radhanath Swami was there ( I didn't really know who he was at that point, other than people kept throwing themselves at his feet) and he kept talking to this one gentleman, who I would later discover was one of the primary sexual abusers of children at NV back in the 1980's. I remember at one point taking some footage of the temple room and my camera, with no specific intention, capturing RNS and this individual talking to each other. They immediately froze when they saw they were on camera, like they knew they were doing something wrong and that shouldn't be documented, but when they saw it was just a nobody bhakta, they relaxed.

This same person who was the child abuser then gave a SB class where he demanded that we become slaves to Krishna. The devotee from Detroit who hosted the trip had to pull me aside after the lecture and make sure I was okay with that language. I didn't know what to think. In hindsight, I should've have run away from the devotees as fast as possible and never looked back...

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SD: TWO POINTS TO ADD FOR BACKGROUND:

1. I was born into ISKCON in 1978. I have heard leaders callously saying a child was raped or abused in some other way (neglectd, beaten to a pulp, arm broken, etc), because it was their karma. No sympathy. Even going so far as to say they should be thankful because they are burning off karma. So this bit about karma being your teacher is triggering to many of the second generation devotees raised in the Hare Krishna movement.

One gurukuli woman wrote:

"The pain you teachers and GBC put me threw……the isolation’s, segregating me from my parents and family……all the times i was molested and then finally raped YOU the devotees and your PHILOSOPHY said it was my fault my karma….at the age of 8 or nine my gurukula teacher told me to thank krsna that this man violated me now and not later, that i was paying for my karma, i must have done the same in my past life to a child and now i must accept what happened as krishnas mercy, tell that to my badly swollen 9 year old hairless vagina!"

One gurukuli man even titled his book of childhood abuse at the hands of Hare Krishnas as "My Karma My Fault":

https://www.amazon.com/My-Karma-Fault.../dp/B00HM8I4LU

2. Mahatma's wife was initiated by Dhanurdhara and still worships him as her guru. Mahatma goes with her on parikaramas and other programs where Dhanurdhara leads the group as a spiritual authority.

https://iskconleaders.com/jahnava-mataji/

In one abuse case, Mahatma was appointed as "liaison" and misused his position to defend the abuser, his good friend.

If Mahatma has ever supported a victim, I would love to hear about it.

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“CHAPTER 93: SRILA PRABHUPADA DISOBEYED -“If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be siksha -guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately.” (SPConv July 4, 1974)

After Srila Prabhupada’s physical departure, ISKCON underwent decades of internal turmoil and thousands upon thousands of devotees suffered greatly, most leaving the institution. This occurred because ISKCON leadership grossly disobeyed Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Their deviant actions were great offenses to the true Acharya Srila Prabhupada, and the movement endured great confusion and pain. 

Because of a tyrannical administration allowing no open discussions, ISKCON members have been unable to properly study Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, and have been implicated in the institutional disobediance. The siddhanta is clearly understood by those who will ardently study and openly discuss Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, and even if there is disagreement, like-minded parties will galvanize into free, open, and separate communities. 

The leaders preyed on the gullibility and naiveness of the devotees by presenting the false message that Srila Prabhupada was dead and gone, thus requiring new gurus, regardless of their authority or qualification. The remedy to this aberration is to again obey Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, understood directly from his books, lectures, talks, and letters. 

“From now on unless I order you do something change or in addition, go on with the usual standard way. You manufacture ideas and then I have to waste my time. I have given you everything already, there is no need for you to add anything or change anything. Why you are asking these things? Who has given you such freedom?” (SPL Dhruvananda Jan. 4, 1973)

SRILA PRABHUPADA FROM SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM 4.28.48-51 

"Whenever an acharya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad- gita. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

It is the acharya's duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. Unfortunately, when the acharya disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called svamis, yogis, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on [...] The acharya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered.

The perfect disciples of the acharya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the spiritual master [...] Similarly, a devoted disciple of the spiritual master would rather die with the spiritual master than fail to execute the spiritual master's mission. 

As the Supreme Personality of Godhead comes down upon this earth to re-establish the principles of religion, so His representative, the spiritual master, also comes to re-establish religious principles. It is the duty of the disciples to take charge of the mission of the spiritual master and execute it properly. Otherwise the disciple should decide to die along with the spiritual master. In other words, to execute the will of the spiritual master, the disciple should be prepared to lay down his life and abandon all personal considerations [...] 

When one becomes serious to follow the mission of the spiritual master, his resolution is tantamount to seeing the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As explained before, this means meeting the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the instruction of the spiritual master. This is technically called vani-seva. Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura states in his Bhagavad-gita commentary on the verse vyavasayatmika buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana that one should serve the words of the spiritual master. The disciple must stick to whatever the spiritual master orders. Simply by following on that line, one sees the Supreme Personality of Godhead." (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.558)

Perspectives on Child Abuse (Bhakti Vikas Swami / ISKCON) 04 23 24

RC: As an ex- aspiring devotee of BVKS, I can guaranty you that he is on the side of child abusers. He openly supports Jay Advaita Swami, Lokanath Swami, Radhanath Swami, etc. I've clearly understood his intentions in 2019 and hence I left his ashram as well as iskcon. 

In the beginning, he uses the verse in BG 9.30 api cet su-durācāro to glorify the crimes done by child abusers! Here's a video that shows his true colours:

 

DD: Bhakti Vikasa Swami,

You are right, child abuse is in a category of it's own. So why are you equating consensual sexual relations between two adults to be on the same level as an adult preying on an innocent child and sexually abusing them? These are two totally different things. Also, one is legal and one is a crime.

Per your own ISKCON Governing Body Commission, child abuse is considered "serious Vaishnava aparadha":

“[LAW] 501. THAT the GBC Body hereby declares that the International Society for Krishna Consciousness does not condone abuse of any kind, especially that which is directed towards dependents such as women, children, aged and cows. Battery, verbal and emotional abuse are destructive to the devotional creeper and thus considered serious Vaisnava aparadhas. Any attempt to justify this type of abusive mentality on the basis of sastra is misconstrued and is firmly rejected by all practicing Vaisnavas.” https://gbc.iskcon.org/1997

What is being asked by people who care about children, is that child abusers be restricted from holding leadership positions in ISKCON. They can do service; they just can't be worshipped or regarded with awe and reverence, giving classes, leading kirtan, etc. This is a basic approach to child abusers in spiritual societies everywhere.

Saying that because a perpetrator abused children "many years ago" it doesn't matter anymore is preposterous. The average age for a victim of child sexual abuse to come forward is age 52. Childhood is the most formative years of one's lifetime, and traumas incurred during childhood can last forever. Placing restrictions on child abusers is one small way that ISKCON can help their Vaishnava children heal, as well as helping the victims' friends and family heal.

p.s. Not all child abuse is child sexual abuse. You seem to be forgetting about neglect, physical abuse, and emotional abuse.

1997 – International Society for Krishna Consciousness – Website of the Governing Body Commission

BB: Blurs the line between consenting adults and child abuse. What they always do. "Sex is sex" as Kirtanananda told them.

RC: BVKS at first was actually quoting verses from scriptures such as "api cet su-durācāro" (BG 9.30) by saying that even if somebody commits an abominable act, he is still considered as a devotee and can be a leader. He then talks about stories that happened during Prabhupada's time with Hansadutta and others and he was shamelessly trying to put his statements by saying Prabhupada authorized these molesters (which is absolute nonsense and here he is making Guru aparadha by saying Prabhupada approved this nonsense).

Then he goes on to talk stories on how these molesters were kept silenced by GBC and how they are still eligible to be leaders.

Later he tries to give concocted statements in saying that the leaders they commit mistakes too and they are still preachers of the movement. At the end, he says that Iskcon doesn't have proper judicial proceedings. Then he says that he doesn't want to discuss with people who are not okay with even 1 case of child abuse. Which means he wants to only discuss in someone commits multiple child abuse doers. Here he proves the point that he is okay with child abusers. Such a shame!

DD#2: Clicking on the white square at the bottom of the video will display the subtitles. Then, by clicking on the gear icon, you can access the subtitle options and select automatic language translation.

SF: Thank you everyone. The thing is -- is it so hard? I could not pass the listening of " ex-abusers". It is as if someone completely else is talking.

SR: 'Transcript 0:09 starting now I'm now going to speak on 0:13 a very unpleasant 0:17 subject what I'm going to say will 0:20 definitely not 0:21 be 0:23 0：23 accepted or acceptable to 0:27 some might lose some friends and 0:30 disciples who strongly disagree with 0:35 me have been asked to clarify why'

DD: I was also dismayed to watch this just now. Was this Maharaja’s response to being asked to explain his ongoing support for Anirdesya Vapu even as Anirdesya Vapu’s crimes were becoming known?

If so, he doesn’t explain. In fact, he spends more time criticising those campaigning for child protection than he spends on condemning abuse.

And it’s largely a straw man. “They want to drive them away….. abandon due process…. They don’t believe in Krishna’s words.”

No one is advocating that abusers have no place anywhere. Let it simply be a humble place. Let them chant and perform menial service. Our objection is to their living in opulent palaces or being worshipped atop golden thrones.

SD has already dealt with the highly problematic moral equivalence issues in what Maharaja says where a child even experiencing their parents’ divorce is somehow compared to their being anally raped.

The main thing that really stood out for me in this unfortunate clip is that he demonstrated zero consideration for victims - zero understanding of the impacts of abuse in their lives. The “Vaisnavas” that he implores us to be compassionate towards are those who have transgressed against minors.

He implies that the growing movement of child protection is simply some kind of misguided moral panic - and that the risk that we should all be worried about has less to do with children’s lives being destroyed but that we might impede those who have abused but still have so much to offer Prabhupada’s movement.

This kind of attitude perfectly encapsulates why the movement is struggling to eradicate abuse. Because this kind of misplaced compassion and the wonky rhetoric that goes with it comes from those seated on Vyasasanas

RC: The very fact that he quoted api cet su-durācāro to support these abusers shows his willingness and support for them.

DD: He misrepresents how those concerned about child protection relate to this verse. He suggests that we just don’t accept or believe Krishna’s words.

But from what I have seen no one is denying that a person can redeem themselves via Krishna consciousness. But this verse is invoked typically by those defending abusers against any criticism or organisational censure. “You people should forgive and not criticise.” We object to the verse being weaponised to deter investigations, adjudication or even criticism of abuse and abusers.

RB: Bhakti vikasha Is going crazy completely!!!

TP: Hare Krishna! Srila Prabhupada was very clear in the case of Dallas gurukula abuse! He said to kick all the abusers out of the movement... and then he corrected his statement and said, but hang them first! It's one thing for someone in the high position to go to a prostitute... that is one kind of fall down one can still recover from with devotional service BUT to molest and rape a child, you are doomed unless you fall before the victim's feet and beg forgiveness !!! Raping and abusing Vaikuntha children, as Srila Prabhupada called them, is a SERIOUS Vaisnava aparadha!

RM Dasi: I didn’t see you already posted this and just shared it. I am completely sick to my stomach after listening to this. 

SR: It is unconscionable that Bhaktivikash swami equates Madhudvisa's fall down with a consenting adult woman, with the sexual assault of a Vaishnava child...

Kishori mataji tells the story when Prabhupada said that child abusers should be beaten first and then hanged!

This has to be the most shameless public defenses of child abusers I've ever seen by an ISKCON leader. The sad thing is that he's simply vocalizing what has been ISKCON'S unspoken policy on child abuse.

MG: I am sorry but just see how terrible he looks. He looks like a horror movie character. Nothing more you need to hear from him. 

BB: Simon Bar Sinister. The legal advisor to the criminals.

PW: After listening to Maharaja and your comments, the question arises: Why, after such a long time, has the GBC not enacted specific court procedures and why did they not heed Srila Prabhupada's instructions that those who repeatedly committed child abuse should be thoroughly punished and publicly hanged??? 

......Secondly, why were not punished the people who supported the perpetrators and remained silent on this matter for many years until the majority of ISKCON members learned about this terrifying phenomenon of pedophilia??? There is great propaganda of Varnasrama Dharma, and when is there a reason? 

There are no real ksatriyas and simple-minded Brahmins for specific action, who should immediately create a committee for the protection of the injured and a court within the organization, a fair trial and appropriate punishment of the perpetrators??? The effect now is the constant struggle of the CPO with the leaders and colleagues of the perpetrators who are trying to cover up the matter in order to whitewashing or rationalizing their heinous actions. 

It seems that the matter is clear: the named perpetrators must make amends to the victims and publicly confess their humiliation and be appropriately punished. If there are no specific harsh actions, it will not be possible to effectively eradicate the phenomenon of pedophilia......

Bows at the feet of all those who follow. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and His sincere followers!

NRD: No wonder victims are hesitant to come forward if people have these kind of attitude. In fact it was quite painful listening to him.

DD: When "leaders" speak extemporaneously like this, it gives true insight as to the paucity of thought. Not that those who prepare their words necessarily come across any better - as we have seen from those who prepare "press releases" about their stance on child protection. 

I suspect that when one becomes a guru and becomes accustomed to having acolytes hanging on every word, there's a certain confidence in one's own perspectives that naturally arises.

They all need communications people to look over their proposed statements - which in itself is quite an indictment for those essentially offering themselves as representatives of Vyasa, as spokespeople for the Supreme Lord and the guru varga. But the issue is not even about engaging expert communicators to clean up problematic ideas..... it's the problematic ideas themselves.... "I don't want to throw away all those good souls who have a little slip up but are otherwise good devotees...." (Apparently the children wounded by these people exploiting trusted positions to indulge their depravity are disposable though.) 

In fact, they practically don't even get a mention. The tragedy in the minds of these apologists is that people are criticising their friends and associates - not the lifelong traumas that they have wreaked on innocent children)

VB: Wow. I couldn't even finish watching this. "Ex-child abuser". What on earth is that. Have you ever heard of an "ex-murderer", "ex-rapist"? What was done was done and it cannot and shouldn't be forgotten. Maybe forgiven but not forgotten.

Downplaying child abuse, comparing poor Madhudvisa Prabhu to child abuser, please.

All we are asking is that child abusers are not glorified and having prominent positions in the society. Nobody wants to crucify them (ok maybe some do and that's still understandable). Why is it so difficult for these old men to understand that raping or beating someone's child upset decent human beings?

SD: Thank you for saying what I was thinking. I really really really wish Bhakti Vikasa Swami and ALL ISKCON leaders (GBC, gurus, etc.) would take annual child protection training and education courses. One can hope.