Scholars for Ritvik / Kailasa / Romapada / Varnasrama / Creation 08 09 26

You seem to have forgot something?

And it is pretty important!

You belong here with Me!

PADA: This is good news. Various India rishis, scholars, sadhus, swamis and saints all agree with us: The GBC's homosexual and pedophile acharyas program is fake, false and bogus, and no small amount of peril to children. And worship of a pure devotee is the only authorized method to attain Krishna. Well yup. ys pd. angel108b@yahoo.com

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KAILASA CHANDRA DASA FOLKS and Auschwitz for kids.

@ernestdras PADA Twists the facts and tells lies all over the place! Even people from his own ritvik camp despise him! This is how they rebuke his lies on their IRM ritvik website: # PADA simply 'makes up' statements, attributes them to us, and then attacks that – the very things we do not say – this is known as a 'straw man' argument. 

PADA: OK so the IRM leader Krishna Kant said he had "made a deal with Jayapataka, for me to go on a vacation in the Caribbean under the care of Jayapataka." Great! I never would have returned alive from the Caribbean? 

OK this is amazing, the Kailasa people are now working hand in glove with the people who wanted me to surrender to the leader of Mayapur's Auschwitz for kids. And they are upset I am not working with Krishna Kant, to go on vacation in the Caribbean, where I would have been made into shark bait / food. Even their own ritvik people are upset that PADA has not ended up as shark food! Question? Why would I work with these people? 

Children have been committing suicide under this program, and the IRM wanted me to stop -- so the suicides would -- increase. Why would any moral person allow children to suffer and commit suicide? And why doesn't Kailasa folks know harming children has to be stopped? 

And why -- in heaven's name -- would I surrender to a vacation managed by the leader of Auschwitz for kids? And why would they want me to? And the HKC Jaipur are the same, why isn't PADA working with -- our wonderful Auschwitz for kids program camp meister? Duh-oh!

ys pd 

My Caribbean Vacation Host!

Me becoming shark food result?

And the IRM is still upset I did not go!

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August 8th, 2026

Hare Krishna dear devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

We are very grateful to share that Guru Maharaj (HH Romapada Swami) has been making encouraging progress since his stroke a week ago and is now continuing his recovery outside the hospital. He is slowly gaining strength and energy, and we are seeing gradual improvement.

While Maharaj is able to speak and communicate, the stroke affected some of the brain functions that help us take in what we hear, understand and organize information, connect thoughts and meanings, and formulate an appropriate response. His speech therapy is therefore helping his brain rebuild these abilities—not simply teaching him how to speak, but helping the different aspects of communication and understanding work together smoothly again.

At times, this means that Maharaj may need a little more time to process what is being communicated, organize his thoughts, or find the words he wants to express. These abilities are improving, but they will require time, patience and ongoing speech therapy.

Recovery from a stroke is a gradual process, but what is most encouraging is the progress Maharaj has made over this past week. By Krishna’s mercy, we pray that this progress will continue steadily in the days and weeks ahead.

Maharaj is very eager to resume his service, and that eagerness remains as strong as ever. For now, however, he is embracing this period of recovery with patience, giving his body and mind the time they need to heal and regain their strength.

We humbly request devotees everywhere to continue praying for Guru Maharaj’s complete recovery. We have been deeply touched by the outpouring of prayers, love and support from devotees around the world, and we are confident that Maharaj is being carried by that loving care, along with the causeless mercy of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna.

With gratitude in our hearts, we pray that Guru Maharaj will continue to regain his strength and all the abilities affected by the stroke, and that, by Srila Prabhupada’s mercy, he will soon be able to fully immerse himself once again in the service he is so deeply devoted to.

Your servants,
Prema Tarangini Dd
Jaisachinandana Das,
Nityananda Pran Das,
Nanda Suta Das

PADA: Well what can I say? We all need to pray that the members of the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club can resume their service, of promoting illicit sex with men, women and children as God's successors. That way we can get more Vaishnavas banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. Where do I sign up? ys pd  

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VARNASRAMA DHARMA KI JAYA

PADA: There are probably several hundred ex-Krishna kids living here in the Bay Area, and probably 100% of them boycott ISKCON. A society that cannot bring its children into it, will not survive. This actually happened here in the USA many times. There were giant movements like the Quakers and many others for some time, but their kids left ... and they vanished. 

ISKCON has never had a good system to integrate these kids. And now the temple is struggling because MAGA has reduced their Bengali poojari Visas. So they are begging for poojaris, they chased away all the kids and now it is a ghost town. A ghost town cannot produce varnasrama or anything of substance. A now a number of the Hindu legal signers on various ISKCON property are not even vegetarians. My friend back East says most of the Hindus at his temple -- eat meat. So it is turning into a Hindus process and the kids are no longer even considered. ys pd


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Krishna is described as Mayin — the wielder of Māyā. Māyā is His prakṛti, His creative power, His three‑guṇa energy that manifests the universe and simultaneously veils His true nature. In the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (4.9–10), prakṛti is called Māyā, and the Lord is the one who wields her expanded energy. This means:

Krishna is the source. Māyā is His expansion, His energy, His instrument. The world of names and forms is the projection of that energy.

PROCESS OF CREATION

MĀRKAṆḌEYA PURĀṆA by Kṛṣṇa Dvaipāyana Vyāsadeva

Chapter 45

Krauṣṭuki said, “O illustrious one! You have described creation to me, but the account has been extremely brief. O brāhmaṇa! Tell me in detail about the creation of gods and others.”

Mārkaṇḍeya replied, “O brāhmaṇa! Creation depends on the good and bad deeds one has performed earlier. At the time of destruction, everything is withdrawn. Beings are not freed. O brāhmaṇa! Brahmā made up his mind to create four kinds of beings, beginning with gods and ending with inanimate objects. These four are gods, asuras, ancestors and humans. Wishing to create, Prajāpati united with the water and a small bit of tamas was created. As he desired to create, asuras were thus first generated from his thighs. He abandoned that body, which was infused with the subtle element of tamas. Thus cast aside, night was instantly generated from this form.

“Desiring to create, he created another form and was delighted with it. Infused with sattva, the gods were generated from his mouth. The lord, the lord of beings, cast aside that body too. Thus cast aside, day was created from this sattva. 

He assumed another form that consisted of the subtle element of sattva. When he thought of himself as an ancestor, the ancestors were generated from this. Having created the ancestors, the lord cast aside this form too. Thus cast aside, sandhyā, the intervening period between day and night, was created from this.

“The lord then created another body, consisting of the subtle element of rajas. Infused with the subtle element of rajas, humans were generated from this. Having created humans, the lord cast aside this body too. This resulted in the creation of moonlight, seen at the end of the night and the beginning of the day. O brāhmaṇa! These are known as the bodies of the intelligent god of gods—night, day, sandhyā and moonlight.

“Moonlight, sandhyā and day—these three originated from the subtle element of sattva. Night originated from the subtle element of tamas and therefore has an excess of darkness. That is the reason why the gods are powerful during the day and the asuras are powerful during the night. 

Humans are powerful during moonlight and the ancestors during sandhyā. Since they are powerful during these respective periods, there is no doubt that adversaries cannot assail them then. When a contrary period ensues, they accordingly head towards calamity. Moonlight, night, day and sandhyā—these are the lord’s four forms. 

These are Brahmā’s forms, generated from the three guṇas.

“After Brahmā had created these four forms, Prajāpati was filled with hunger and thirst and created another form during the night. It was full of rajas and tamas. In that darkness, filled with hunger and thirst, the illustrious Aja created it.[530] He created malformed and bearded creatures who started to eat this body. Some said, ‘We will protect it,’ and they became rākṣasas.[531] O brāhmaṇa! Others said, ‘We will eat it,’ and they became yakṣas.[532]

“On witnessing this unpleasant sight, the creator’s hair started to fall from his head. When the hair fell from Brahmā’s head, it became inferior species. Since they writhed around, they became sarpas. [533] Since they are inferior, they are also known as ahis. [534] Seeing these snakes, he was filled with rage, and creatures that were angry and cruel resulted. These were tawny in complexion and fierce. These were beings that ate flesh.

“When he meditated on the earth, gandharvas were created. Since they were born from speech, they are known as gandharvas.[535] After the lord created eight classes of devas,[536] he created other things from his body—animals and birds. Goats were created from his mouth and sheep from his breasts. Brahmā created cattle from his sides. Horses, elephants, asses, hares, deer, camels, mules and many others were born from his feet. Herbs, fruits and roots were created from his body hair.

“In this way, creating animals and herbs, the lord performed a sacrifice. This was at the beginning of the kalpa, at the start of Tretā-yuga. Cows, goats, buffaloes, sheep, horses, mules and donkeys—these are known as domesticated animals. Hear about the ones that are from the forest. As the fifth category, these are predatory creatures, cloven-hoofed animals, elephants, monkeys and birds. [537] 

Animals that dwell in water are the sixth class and reptiles the seventh.

“From the mouth towards the east, he created the gāyatrī, the tṛca, the trivṛt-sāman, the rathantara and the agniṣṭoma sacrifice.[538] From the mouth towards the south, he created the hymns of the Yajur Veda, the triṣṭubh metre, the fifteen stomas, the bṛhat-sāman and the uktha.[539] From the mouth towards the west, he created the Sāma Veda hymns, the jagatī metre, the fifteen stomas,[540] the vairūpa-sāman and the atirātra sacrifice. From the mouth towards the north, he created the twenty-one Atharva Veda texts, the āptoryāma sacrifice, the anuṣṭubh metre and the vairāja mantra.

“The illustrious lord created lightning, thunder, clouds, red rainbows and birds at the beginning of the kalpa. Inferior and superior creatures were created from his body. After having first created the four categories—gods, asuras, ancestors and subjects—[541] he created mobile and immobile objects: yakṣas, piśācas, gandharvas, large numbers of apsarās, humans, kinnaras, rākṣasas, birds, animals, deer, serpents, those that decay and those that do not, those that are mobile and those that are not.

“Depending on the karma that they had performed in the earlier cycle of creation, they are thus born again and again. Whatever appealed to them and was thought of is thus reaped in this creation—violence, nonviolence, mildness, cruelty, preference for dharma and preference for adharma. The lord, the creator, himself created this addiction to the senses in the diverse bodies of beings.

“With the sounds of the Vedas as the beginning, he created gods and many other names and forms of beings in this visible universe. He gave names to the ṛṣis and the gods who were created at the end of the night.[542] In different seasons, many different kinds of signs are seen. Likewise, different kinds of signs are seen at the beginning of a yuga. In this way, when night is over, from one kalpa to another kalpa, Brahmā, whose origin is not manifest, engages in creation.”

ISKCON Bureau Court / Mahatma Kid's Project / Kailasa Chandra 08 08 26

PADA: Court is favoring these people challenging GBC Managers. You can get an English audio if you get into the CC audio. 

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MAHATMA'S SELF CARE FOR TEENS

PADA: How much more care for kids do we need pilgrims! Mahatma's messiahs and gurus are having illicit sex with men, women, children and maybe cats. Giriraja is getting oral sex in the temple room. Some of them are watching porno. At least Harikesha said gurus should wear condoms so there won't be a bunch of mini-Harikesha's running amok. So as soon as Mahatma finds his nice homosexual and pedophile messiah's program, he wants to get you to sign up and BRING your KIDDIES! Yikes pilgrims! We should send our kids over to get instructions from the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club leaders!

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KAILASA CHANDRA and the VAISHNAVA FOUNDATION

PADA: 

1. Kailasa says that Srila Prabhupada's books do not give diyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha). Pretty much the same as the Christians complain, Vedic knowledge cannot remove sins. How does he know the sins are not rectified? Is he in charge of who gets -- or does not get -- karma?  

2. Kailasa folks say that books can be interpreted in different ways, so you'd need "the guru" to explain the books. But they admit that have no one acting as "the guru" in their group. So there is no "the guru" available to guide people on the books. 

So now they are just negating all book reading and preaching as useless and guidance-less, having no "the guru" whatever in their process. You cannot read the books without "the guru," but there is none, so do not read them!

3. Kailasa says that we should worship the Madhyam, whom his folks admits can fall and become an asura. And that is why ISKCON's Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama circulated Kailasa's writings in ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada says the acharya must be an uttama. A person who can fall and become and asura is not qualified to be acharya. 

4. Srila Prabhupada says just by reading my books they are initiated, Kailasa says that is not possible, there is no one getting initiated from these books. He knows more than Prabhupada! 

5. Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyam can NOT take karma -- only an uttama has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins. Srila Prabhupada says if lesser people take sins, and cannot absorb sins, they will suffer, and they are. Kailasa people told me that Krishna will empower the Madhyam to take sins, but they do not cite where this is stated. 

6. Kailasa says pure devotee acharyas are similar to us neophyte kanistha "shiksha" devotees, just like the temple pot washing neophytes are shiksha devotees. Srila Prabhupada never said acharyas are only shiksha capable (neophytes) like us neophytes. 

7. Kailasa says the the people who worship a pure devotee are "Churchianity" and they need to find a conditioned soul Madhyam who can fall down as their guru. What is the harm in having a Church where everyone worships the acharya, he never explains, he only says it is wrong. The followers of Madhvacarya are Churchianity, because they all worship Madhva?  

8. The ritviks are printing original books, and making original book sites, and he is calling us ill names. Like his Jayadvaita pals? Meanwhile the Kailasa program has no book printing, no book sites etc. 

9. Kailasa Candra Prabhu also understands that ONE DOES NOT GET DIKSA THROUGH BOOKS ALONE! IT IS SOMETHING TO BE GIVEN THROUGH THE GRACE OF GURU, NOT TAKEN BECAUSE OF ONE'S FOOLISH DESIRES! 

PADA: OK so now you guys are saying Srila Prabhupada is absent from his books, there is no guru in the books. Srila Prabhupada says he is present in his books, and Kailasa folks say that is not correct. Who is correct, Kailasa folks or Srila Prabhupada? And we need the grace of guru, and Kailasa has no Madhyam guru. No grace is available. 

10. Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya disciplic succession must never be altered,  manufactured, or reinterpreted. It must be taken As It Is. Jaya Kailasa Prabhu! Jaya Prabhupada! 

PADA: But Kailasa program admits they have no current (Madhyam?) guru. 

11. @Gokulananda_LF The books are not the same as a manifest guru! You really think they are the same, and your trying to have an argument about it? You've lost before you started gunslinger tim. The books are great and should not be changed. They are the best thing we have. But are you seriously saying they can not be misinterpreted?? Are you trying to say they can make executive decisions and reprimand deviations?? Are you trying to say they can respond to contradictions that need to be cleared up?? 

PADA: But you already said there is no current guru to give a response? 

12. Kailasa folks said me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas and Sulochana said, that made us targets for violence. 

PADA TO KAILASA CHANDRA

Well the GBC people send me your guys quotes that me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas, which was being made by your group and / or Riktaharsana. And your followers were asking me how many bottles of Vodka I was buying for Sulochana etc. Sulochana said painting us as drunks and fringies is placing us in danger. 

And we were. Henry Doktorski's book confirms you guys were criticizing us as not following fringies, which was making us targets. Sulochana was not making this up, you guys made us targets. Riktaharsana admits to me he was citing the New Vrndavana people. Sorry, those people are not to be cited as our authority.

I had the GBC sued for $3M and $400M for the mass child mistreatment, while you and the GBC people were saying we are scum bag liars. To say we are liars when we are challenging MASS child mistreatment is aiding the child mistreatment. I am saying children are being molested, you guys are saying I am a scum bag liar, and the GBC people are citing you. 

I do not need to be taken serious by you or anyone else since already the courts, the FEDS, law enforcement, the media and hundreds of children victims all sided with me on these issues. And so have many devotees. To say I am a liar is what the child victimizers, books changers and GBC exponents also say. I am not being ostracized whatever, I have 35,000 - 65,000 views per day on my blog, and I get messages all the time from devotees, book writers, scholars, Hindus and etc. asking me about all this stuff all the time.

Srila Prabhupada said we need 50 initiated brahmanas here for the deities, your saying we need zero initiated people to do the deity pooja sounds to me like atheist. In any case, I have no idea what lies you are even talking about? What specifically have I lied about? It sounds to me like you are making this a character issue instead of an issues issue.

Our strategy is not collapsing, our blog is getting more hits, and inquiries all the time. And our sister sites like Bangalore are getting hundreds of thousands of views every month. This is called expanding. 

Anyway, yes, challenging mass child mistreatment, changed books, and Srila Prabhupada complaining of being given (poison) toxins in his last days, is all modes of you and the GBC ignoring. I get the same thing from the GBC people. 

But more people ask me about all this every day. We are also having more original books and book web sites inquiries every day, not collapsing at all. I had to expose the November tapes of Srila Prabhupada complaining of being taken out from poison by his leaders, and these leaders said I am a liar, and so are you guys. And the HKC Jaipur also said this is all PADA lies. Whose side are you guys on? 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

JPS Health / Iran / Harikesh / Hindu Hodge Podge 08 06 26

URGENT PRAYER REQUEST for His Holiness Jayapataka Swami, who is fighting a serious infection

Medical update of Jayapataka Swami, 08:00 AM, August 5, 2026; Bengaluru, India.

Hare Kṛṣṇa,

Dear devotees, disciples, and well-wishers,

Please accept our humble prayers. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Today, Guru Mahārāja continues to remain in a delicate and critical condition.

After yesterday's serious episode of sepsis, he has not yet shown significant signs of improvement in overcoming this infection. The medical team has increased his treatment with antibiotics, but his body has not yet responded to the new therapy.

Due to the septic shock, Guru Mahārāja continues to need medications to support his blood pressure. Although the dosage of these medications has decreased since last night, his blood pressure still depends on this support.

During the night, his stomach and intestines have returned to normal. As a result, feeding has been temporarily suspended until his gastrointestinal function recovers.

To reduce the demands on his body while he fights this infection, Guru Mahārāja has been reintegrated into the comprehensive ventilation support.

These are very serious developments. The medical team continues to work 24 hours a day, adjusting the treatment as his condition evolves. At this moment, the next hours and days will be critical. We are especially grateful to HH. Radhanath Swami Maharaja, who took the time to sing and offer some comfort to Guru Mahārāja during a video call.

Humbly we request all devotees to intensify their prayers for Guru Mahārāja. In moments like these, there is no substitute for taking the sincere refuge of Lord Kṛṣṇa and praying for His mercy.

His servants.

In the name of the JPS health team and the JPS seva committee

Maha Varaha Dasa

PADA: OK when this was posted some of the commenters said "why keep him alive in all this suffering"? "Pull the plug already!" "You are causing him more problems by keeping him alive, LET HIM GO." I think more people are starting to realize, keeping him going at this stage is not helpful for him at all. It is prolonging his suffering. But yeah all the GBC groupies like Radhanath will pitch in to glorify JPS "steadfast service attitude." Ummm, wouldn't it be better to -- let him go already! ys pd

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IRAN 

It looks like the USA us running low on guided attack missiles like Tomahawks. And is running low on interceptors, like Patriots. Yes we have a lot of other munitions, but that could require sending in jets to drop them, and they become targets for anti-aircraft attacks. I was wondering how long we could keep shooting maybe 200 patriots a day when they cost millions each -- and cannot be made quickly, maybe one a day. We are running out, I think that is clear. 

Some MAGA type devotee sends me stuff like "we have severely weakened Iran." Right, you clobbered the hornet's nest, you got rid of maybe 5% of the hornets, and now the remaining 95% are coming after you. I fail to see how that is solid military planning or even common sense. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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HARIKESHA FRAUD GURU

The financial narrative surrounding Harikesa Swami’s (Robert Campagnola) exit from ISKCON in 1998 remains one of the most glaring contradictions and scandals in the history of the movement. Critics, whistleblowers, and former devotees argue that his explanation of suddenly acquiring immense wealth through the Moscow Stock Exchange is mathematically impossible and serves as a classic smokescreen for large-scale embezzlement.

When evaluating the math, the corporate structures, and his luxurious post-monastic life with his Swedish wife, Monika, the official narrative completely falls apart under secular scrutiny. Harikesa claimed that while serving as an ascetic sannyasi, GBC, and guru, he founded Visva Toshani and Prema Invest to legitimately trade on the Moscow Stock Exchange, generating millions.

The Russian economy in the 1990s was notoriously unstable, culminating in the August 1998 Russian Financial Crisis (where the ruble collapsed and the stock market completely crashed).

Harikesa left ISKCON in June 1998—right before the total economic meltdown. It is highly implausible that an American monk, operating inside Russia’s chaotic, mafia-ridden post-Soviet transition, built a legal, multi-million-dollar day-trading empire from scratch while simultaneously managing dozens of European temples.
Critics point directly to the corporate structure Harikesa controlled as the true source of his wealth. For decades, he was the sole authorized signatory of the European Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT) account.

[German / European Street Collectors] ──► [EU BBT Bank Account] ──► (Harikesa's Signature) ──► [Visva Toshani & Prema Invest] ──► [Private Properties]

Because Harikesa operated with absolute, unchecked "Zonal Acharya" authority, he had the unique power to move funds without GBC oversight. Whistleblowers argue that Visva Toshani and Prema Invest were not brilliant trading firms, but rather letterbox companies designed to absorb funds routed out of the European BBT under the guise of "investments" or "printing costs."

Immediately upon discarding his robes, Harikesa married Monika and purchased a sprawling estate in St. Tropez, France—one of the most expensive luxury real estate markets in the world. When they relocated to the massive ISKCON-adjacent diaspora community in Alachua, Florida, the St. Tropez property was listed on the market for $900,000. 

If he had left ISKCON with only $1 million total, buying a property of that caliber would have completely wiped out his capital. It leaves zero liquidity to pay international relocation fees, cover astronomical French property taxes, invest in his new music business (Lotus Eye Music/Hari Media), or maintain a high-end Western lifestyle.

Maintaining a comfortable lifestyle in Florida while keeping a spouse accustomed to European standards requires a continuous, substantial flow of capital.
Aside from producing niche, self-released ambient and mantra-trance music, Robert Campagnola had no mainstream corporate career, intellectual property revenue, or secular inheritance capable of generating hundreds of thousands of dollars in annual passive income.

The math dictates that the capital taken during the 1998 split was vastly higher than the $1 million publicly discussed, or that the offshore corporate structures he set up while a guru continued to yield residual payouts long after his resignation.
While hundreds of dedicated German monks were cast out into poverty with no pensions, education, or trauma support, the leader who forced them onto the streets leveraged his absolute institutional control to secure a wealthy, peaceful retirement in the West.

[Hoarded European BBT Funds] ──► [Offshore Letterbox Shells] ──► [French Riviera Luxury Estate] ──► [High-End Alachua Retirement]

Meanwhile, the original European devotees, who had actually colected the money flowing into the BBT account through daily 10-hour fundraising efforts in freezing winters and hot summers, were thrown out. Left with no savings, no vocational skills, and no social safety net. Harikesa correctly highlights the darkest moral stains on the movement's history: the systematic abuse of children in the gurukulas (boarding schools) and the systemic exploitation of women.

The Historical Hypocrisy: While Harikesa lamented this in his 1998 farewell letters, these atrocities happened directly under his watch as a GBC member and chairman. The GBC spent the late 70s, 80s, and early 90s covering up, ignoring, or minimizing the horrific physical and sexual abuse of children in schools like Mayapur, Vrindavan, and various Western farms to protect the "reputation of the movement."

Harikesa paints himself as the ultimate victim of the system. But the true victims were not the multi-millionaire gurus who could afford to buy estates in St. Tropez and retire in Florida when the system broke down.

The devotees who were truly "cheated" were the rank-and-file European devotees. They gave up their youths, their educations, and their mental stability based on Harikesa's absolute demands, only to watch their guru walk away with a massive fortune while they were left to pick up the pieces of a shattered, "fruitless institutionalization."

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WHY IS THE ISKCON GBC ALIGNED WITH THE HINDUS?

VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO NOT EVEN INTELLIGENT MAN BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED RAMAKRSNA AS INCARNATION OF GOD.

Note: There are many Hindus even among educated circles who tend to glorify Vivekananda and Ramakrishna but Srila Prabhupada exposes their bogus philosophy.

68-02-25. Letter: Satsvarupa

Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of a copy of your last Istagosthi dated Jan. 27, and I am very much satisfied with your replies on the questions made in the Istagosthi. The meeting is called “Istagosthi” and not “Istagosthi”. YOU MAY KNOW ALSO THAT RAMAKRISHNA’S WORSHIP OF KALI MAKES HIM A THIRD CLASS MAN. 

In the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that one who worships the demigods just like Brahma, Siva, Indra, Candra or demigoddesses like Kali, Durga, Sarasvati, etc., are described as persons who have lost their intelligence. One person who has lost his intelligence, how he can become an incarnation of God? A person who has lost his intelligence, is not even counted amongst the higher section of society. 

So, the Ramakrishna is a bogus man according to the statement of Bhagavad-gita. VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO NOT EVEN INTELLIGENT MAN BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED RAMAKRSNA AS INCARNATION OF GOD. THIS RAMAKRSNA, WHO IS ACTUALLY GADADHARA CHATTERJEE, DECLARED HIMSELF AS THE SAME RAMA AND KRSNA. IF HE IS ACCEPTED AS SUCH BY SOME PERSON, IS HE VERY INTELLIGENT MAN? 

Suppose a man comes before somebody and says he is Pres. Johnson. and the foolish man accepts the pretender as Pres. Johnson, is that man to be accepted as very intelligent man? VIVEKANANDA WAS NOT EVEN AN INTELLIGENT MAN BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED GADHADHARA CHATTERJEE AS INCARNATION OF GOD WITHOUT ANY CREDENTIALS. We accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead on the evidence of Vedic literature. 

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN THE VEDIC LITERATURES THAT A COMMON UNINTELLIGENT PERSON BY WORSHIPPING A DEMIGODDESS KALI CAN BECOME AN INCARNATION OF GODHEAD. THE GODDESS KALI IS DIVINE MOTHER FOR THE CONDITIONED SOULS, NOT FOR THE LIBERATED SOULS. THERE IS NO DIRECTION IN THE VEDIC LITERATURES THAT ONE CAN BECOME LIBERATED EVEN BY WORSHIPPING THE GODDESS KALI. SHE IS SUPERINTENDENT OF THE PRISON HOUSE KNOWN AS MATERIAL WORLD. ONE CAN DERIVE SOME MATERIAL FACILITIES BY WORSHIPPING KALI OR DURGA, BUT NOBODY CAN BECOME LIBERATED BY WORSHIPPING SUCH DEMIGODDESSES, SO WHAT TO SPEAK OF BECOMING INCARNATION OF GODHEAD. 

SO THE PROPAGANDA THAT RAMAKRSNA BECAME INCARNATION OF GOD BY WORSHIPPING KALI IS NOT ACCEPTED BY ANY AUTHORIZED ACHARYA AND THEREFORE IT IS A BOGUS PROPAGANDA. ONE WHO FOLLOWS THEREFORE, SUCH BOGUS PROPAGANDA IS ALSO MISLED AS FAR AS HIS SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT IS CONCERNED.

You have to meet many opposing elements in the matter of preaching work therefore you should always be careful to follow the principles of Bhagavad-gita as it is. You will be glad to know that our arrangements with MacMillan for publishing Bhagavad-gita As It Is is already completed, and the manuscript is handed over to them. We should preach clearly that our Krsna Consciousness movement is surely on the basis of Bhagavad-gita as it is. 

Any other movement which does not tally with the principles of Bhagavad-gita as it is, is considered by us as unauthorized. All these so-called yogic or other spiritualist movements in this country imported from India are all against the principles of Bhagavad-gita. It is our movement only which strictly follows the principles of the Bhagavad-gita, under the guidance of the authorities or acaryas in disciplic succession from Lord Caitanya who practically demonstrated in life and practice the principles of Bhagavad-gita. The last word in the Bhagavad-gita is to surrender unto Krsna and Lord Caitanya taught us to surrender unto Krsna. His transcendental movement of chanting the Holy name of Krsna and Rama is the sublime movement, not only at the present age, but for all the time past, present and future.

Hegel.SYA conversations

Prabhupada: Anything nonsense idea, that is not God. God has created you. You cannot create God. AND THEY ARE CREATING GOD. JUST LIKE VIVEKANANDA MISSION, YATA MATA TATA PATHA. AS MANY OPINION YOU HAVE GOT, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR RELIGIOUS WAY. YATA MATA, THIS IS THEIR MISSION, YATA MATA TATA PATHA, “WHATEVER YOU ARE THINKING, ALL RIGHT.” RAMAKRISHNA, HE WANTED TO REALIZE GOD FROM ANY WAY. AND LATER ON HE WANTED TO REALIZE GOD BY THE MOHAMMEDANS’ WAY AND HE ASKED THE PROPRIETOR OF THE TEMPLE TO ALLOW HIM TO TAKE MEAT, COW’S FLESH. SO WHEN HE ASKED, THE PROPRIETOR SAID, “PLEASE GO OUT. GET OUT.” 

Now don’t real…, I don’t want the (indistinct). This philosophy also you can realize God in any way, yata mata. Now he wanted to realize in the Mohammedan’s way, therefore he thought it wise that he must eat cow’s flesh. These things are there.

730813rc.par Conversations

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. BECAUSE VIVEKANANDA SAID, “OH, WHAT IS THE HARM THERE, IN EATING? YOU CAN EAT WHATEVER YOU LIKE. IT DOESN’T MATTER IN RELIGION.” IT WAS THE FIRST. AND HE HIMSELF WAS EATING ANYTHING. SO ALL THE RAMAKRISHNA MISSION SANNYASIS STILL, THEY ARE EATING MEAT, EGG AND EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA. YES. FISH IS NO CONSIDERATION. THAT IS DAILY AFFAIR. And the turkey,… Yes. Instead of preaching here, they have taken the Western method. And Vivekananda’s preaching is like Western missionaries–open hospitals, school…

670224CC.SF Lectures

Oh, Caitanya Mahaprabhu regrets that such a great difference between God and the living entity, and Sankaracarya has described that we are God? That means he has diminished the opulence and value of God. Suppose if I call a third-class man “His Majesty,” then what is that? This word, “His Majesty,” is misused. JUST LIKE THEY ARE SAYING, DARIDRA-NARAYANA. THE FOOLISH RAMAKRISHNA MISSION HAS, I MEAN TO SAY, DISCOVERED A WORD, DARIDRA-NARAYANA, “POOR NARAYANA.” NARAYANA, WHO IS THE HUSBAND OF MANY THOUSANDS OF GODDESS OF FORTUNE, HE HAS BECOME POOR. JUST SEE THE THEORY. 

You can ask Nikhilananda what is the meaning of daridra-narayana. THEY HAVE DISCOVERED. VIVEKANANDA HAS DISCOVERED. NARAYANA HAS BECOME POOR. WHEN YOU ASK HIM, “WHY DO YOU CALL DARIDRA-NARAYANA?” THEY WILL EXPLAIN LIKE THAT, “BECAUSE NARAYANA IS THERE, THEREFORE NARAYANA HAS BECOME DARIDRA.” JUST SEE. SUPPOSE A RICH MAN COMES INTO THIS STORE, SO HE BECOMES POOR JUST LIKE US. BECAUSE HE HAS KINDLY COME HERE IN THIS STORE, SO BECAUSE WE ARE ALL POOR MEN, HE’LL ALSO BECOMES POOR MAN? 

THIS IS THE REASON. BUT THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE. NARAYANA NEVER BECOMES POOR. THE POOR, POVERTY-STRICKEN MAN, ALL THESE THINGS ARE FOR THE JIVAS, THE LIVING ENTITIES. NARAYANA IS NEVER POOR. NARAYANA IS NEVER UNDER IGNORANCE. NARAYANA NEVER BECOMES DOG. We become dog. We become cat. You should always… Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore rejects, that “This sort of philosophy propounded by Sankara is a great mistake because he has minimized the value of the Supreme Lord. By making a dog a god, he has insulted God. Therefore this Mayavada philosophy is the most offensive activities of the living being.” So you should be very, very careful, very careful.

701219SB.SUR Lectures

There are two classes of men in this world. One is called daiva, and the other is called asura. Asura means rebelled against God: “Don’t care for God. I am God. You are God. Everyone is God. Why you are searching after God? There are so many Gods in the streets, lying on the footpath, daridra-narayana. You serve these Gods.” You see? This is illusion. Daridra-narayana, starving God. So many subscription are raised in America in the name of serving these daridra-narayanas in India. Now these Americans are questioning that “You take money for serving the daridra-narayana. 

Why we see…? When we go to India, why we see so many daridra-narayanas are lying on the footpath?” These questions are being made. One of the big Ramakrishna Mission swamis, Swami Nikhilananda, he told me. It is not my manufactured story. Actually, people are claiming welfare society, welfare activities. But what welfare they are doing actually? The welfare activities are increasing, and the candidates for receiving the welfare, they are increasing. 

You are trying to serve the daridra-narayana, but actually the number of daridra-narayanas are increasing daily. So that is the position. Here, practically, NARAYANA CANNOT BE DARIDRA. THAT IS ANOTHER ILLUSION. NARAYANA IS THE HUSBAND OF THE GODDESS OF FORTUNE, LAKSMI. HOW HE CAN BE DARIDRA? It is also manufactured word. Laksmi-sahasra-sata-sambhrama-sevyamanam govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami. Here we keep one Laksmi, but as soon as there is any little discrepancy, the Laksmi immediately becomes angry and there is divorce. Practically there is no respect from the side of Laksmi to the so-called daridra-narayana. 

But there, thousands and thousands of Laksmis are very respectfully serving the Lord. You’ll read in the story of Rukmini, the prime Laksmi of Lord Krsna. One day Krsna was a little joking, and she took it very seriously, and she immediately fainted. So much respect. “Oh, Krsna might be thinking of leaving me.” So she fainted immediately. So much sambhrama. Laksmi-sahasra-sata-sambhrama-sevyamanam. These are the statements of scripture. And when Krsna was actually present on the planet, He showed it, how much He is respectfully served by His sixteen thousand wives, and how much comfortably He kept all of them in different palaces, and expanding Himself into sixteen thousand forms. 

That is God. That is God. So everyone, even the Laksmi is servant, maidservant of Krsna, what to speak of others? Dasi. So how one can claim that “I am God”? God is not so cheap. Only persons who are illusioned, they claim that “I am God.” He is servant. Instead of becoming, voluntarily rendering service to God, because they claim to be God they are more put into illusion. Maya-grasta jivera sei dasa upajaya. It is said in the Vaisnava literature, pisaci paile yena mati-cchanna haya, maya-grasta jivera sei dasa upajaya: “Just like a person, when he is haunted by ghosts, he speaks all kinds of nonsense, similarly, when a living entity is engrossed by the illusory aspect of this material nature, he also talks all foolishly.” He also talks… One of the greatest foolish things is that he claims that “I am God.

SB 3.15.25 P Description of the Kingdom of God

Changed Books / Mahatma Madness / Australia Problem? / Jesus / Putana 08 05 26

MAHATMA MADNESS GETTING WORSE

FORGIVE US LORD!

PADA: It looks like Mahatma's forgiveness tour is on hold while he started his new conversations with a bead bag program. Dude! You program kicked out nearly all the people who were chanting on their bead bags. The Hindus who come to your temples on Sunday do not have bead bags and a lot of them eat meat. 

Your program has had devotees banned, beaten, sued, molested and killed. I think it is not going to save you to have a bead bag. Mahatma is a co-founder father of the illicit sex with men, women, children -- and cats? messiahs project, and then he wants us to forgive him for making that program, without ever explaining why he made that program? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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BIG TROUBLE DOWN UNDER?

PADA: OK I have no idea who this fellow is. He claims there is a lot of child abuse still going on in ISKCON Australia. And leaders masturbating in front of others and so on. I dunno. But there seems to be a problem with these types of things surfacing in ISKCON from one day to the next. 

If anyone can investigate his claims there, that would be great. I have heard all sorts of rumors over the years of all sorts of things, including gurukuli girls getting abortions in India and who knows what else. You have to ask yourself, why do these types of reports keep surfacing? 

OK some of the reporters are not reliable, perhaps so, but still we have to ask, have these problems been fixed? I know there are some really upset people in Australia. My suggestion is -- you guys organize a forum and get yourselves some type of structure to address things. Otherwise individuals making pot shots here and there is not very effective.

ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com

   

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BACK TO JESUS HEAD

PADA: Sorry. I know who is reincarnated as what. The mleccha dharma people are eating animals, and they become them, that is called the law of karma. Meat is called mam-sah. "I will become you (that animal which I eat)." We sow pain and death, we reap the same. What we sow is what we reap. 

That is a simple point, if we make someone else suffer, we will later on. Basically common sense. God already told my atheist lady friend not to eat animals as the Lord in the Heart. She told me -- eating animals causes pain, suffering and death, and it thus is NOT to be done. EVER! How does she know that? Krishna told her in the heart, because she is a compassionate soul -- so Krishna rewarded her with further understanding. 

But yeah, the Christians do not believe in karma, and thus they think all these animals are here for them to make suffer, chop up. cook and eat, that is not correct. I don't have to say anything, what one does to others happens to oneself later on, that is called -- what you sow, so shall ye reap. 

And there are billions of animals eaten every day, and then billions are born every day. That is how it works. We see it every single day. And it is working fine, sowing and reaping. If you do not believe in sowing and reaping, so be it, I do. ys pd

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The Story of Putana’s Past Life and Her Revenge Against Lord Krishna

The scriptural account of the demoness Putana’s past life is extremely captivating, sweet, and at the same time, a unique instance of the Supreme Lord’s boundless mercy.

​According to sacred scriptures including the Padma Purana, Bramhavaivarta Purana, and Garga Samhita, Putana was Ratnavali, the daughter (or younger sister) of the demon king Bali, in her previous birth.

​The Awakening of Maternal Affection and Anger in Ratnavali

​In Satya Yuga, when Lord Vishnu incarnated as Vamana Deva and arrived at the sacrificial arena (yajna-shala) of King Bali, Ratnavali was mesmerized by the exquisite charm and beauty of the young dwarf Brahmin. Beholding the serene and captivating form of Vamana Deva, a deep feeling of maternal affection (vatsalya rasa) arose in her heart.

​She mentally expressed her desire: ​"Ah! If only I had such a beautiful child, I would blissfully breastfeed him and fulfill my motherhood!" ​Being the omniscient Lord, Vamana Deva understood the innocent desire of her heart and silently granted her the boon, saying, "Tathastu" (So be it).

​From Maternal Love to Rage and Resolve for Revenge

​However, the narrative soon took a dramatic turn. When Lord Vamana cleverly measured the entire universe (Heaven, Earth, and the Netherworld) in three steps and bound her father Bali with serpent ropes (naga-pasha), Ratnavali's maternal love instantly transformed into intense anger and revenge.

​Deeply enraged by her father's humiliation and deception, she made a venomous vow in her mind: ​"The boy who deceived my father and robbed him of everything—if he ever becomes my child, I shall kill him by feeding him poison!"

Fulfillment of Desire in Dwapara Yuga and the Supreme Mercy of the Lord

​The Supreme Lord is immensely merciful; just as He accepts the love of His devotees, He does not let even the intentions of His enemies go in vain. Ratnavali had formed two distinct resolves:

​Breastfeeding the Lord as her child.

​Taking revenge and killing Him by administering poison. ​In Dwapara Yuga, that very Ratnavali was reborn as the demoness Putana, an accomplice of Kamsa. Upon Kamsa's command, she went to Gokula and attempted to kill the infant Krishna by feeding Him her poisoned breast milk, which was the manifestation of her past-life revenge.

Scriptural Evidence from Srimad Bhagavatam

​In the Srimad Bhagavatam (Canto 10, Chapter 6), it is described that Lord Krishna overlooked Putana’s lethal poison and malicious intent, choosing instead to accept only her initial instinct of maternal care (vatsalya). Under the guise of drinking her milk, the infant Krishna sucked out her life force and killed her; yet, He granted her the exalted spiritual destination of a nursing mother (dhatri)!

​aho bakī yaṁ stana-kālakūṭaṁ

jighāṁsayāpāyayad apy asādhvī

lebhe gatiṁ dhātry-ucitāṁ tato 'nyaṁ

kaṁ vā dayāluṁ śaraṇaṁ vrajema

(Srimad Bhagavatam 3.2.23)

​Translation:

​"Alas! How wonderfully merciful is Lord Krishna! Even though the wicked demoness Putana fed Him her breast milk smeared with deadly poison with the intention to kill Him, He bestowed upon her the position of a surrogate mother. Whom else shall we take shelter of, other than such a merciful Lord?"

​Summary

​In her previous life, Putana sought revenge for Lord Vamana's trickery against her father Bali. As a result of her two contrasting desires—maternal affection and the urge to murder—she attempted to kill Lord Krishna in Dwapara Yuga by feeding Him poisoned milk.

Romapada Health / Iran / JPS / IRM 08 02 26

Krishna knows the name of each and every cow and calf.

Prayers Requested for Romapada Swami Hospitalized in Atlanta

The following message was released by ISKCON Atlanta:

With a heavy heart, we share that soon after His arrival in Atlanta, His Holiness Romapada Swami Maharaj experienced some unforeseen health challenges and was admitted to Grady Memorial Hospital.

By the causeless mercy of Sri Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, Maharaj is now receiving care and is showing encouraging signs of improvement.

In this moment, Maharaj needs our heartfelt prayers the most. We humbly and earnestly request all devotees to kindly keep Maharaj in your sincere prayers and chant for His complete and speedy recovery.

Let us all pray together for His Holiness Romapad Swami to be quickly restored to good health.

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AMERICA IS RUNNING OUT OF WEAPONS

PADA: OK pilgrims, the neo-cons never had the resources for another one of their prolonged forever wars. Now they are panicked because they think they might lose the mid-terms -- and no longer have unlimited trillions for their forever wars, some folks might vote against funding that agenda. That will be terrible! 

Iran uses decoys to make USA run down its anti-aircraft stock. Which is why Srila Prabhupada says -- Krishna arranges for the asuras to fight -- to drain down and expend their military might and weapons.

The neo-cons said they got into this war "because they had a good feeling about it." OK then, but a feeling does not always produce good results. We are always getting rid of dictators, which might produce even worse dictators. We got rid of Saddam, and that created ISIS and many other similar vicious splinter groups in Iraq. Not sure how that helps?

Now their big plan is to block Iran's banks, but those banks are already trading in BRICS currency and they do not need USA banking. And blocking banking is a very long term attrition issue in any case and will not produce quick results, if any results ever. 

So it looks like the USA is draining its weapons, draining its oil reserves, and draining its economy with huge expenses, and for -- what? Iran says they need complete control of the straits to block USA weapons from entering the region, and I think they will eventually get that awarded. Iran also said they are not aware of any new deal being made, they are still waiting for USA people to adhere to the original MOU. Hard to tell with both sides giving mixed messages. 

OK this is another neo-con blunder, which is costing the USA on all sorts of levels. The GBC does the same thing, anyone who does not agree with their policy is rough shod pushed out the door. And the neo-cons similarly fire and remove anyone who questions their policy. Get rid of the people asking questions! 

And then the more qualified advisors are -- absent, and mistakes are prone to be made. And are. And this botched war is just one of their more glaring examples of being out of touch. I am not a big fan of the USA per se, but I do live here, and so do a lot of devotees and their children, so I am sort of hoping against hope that it does not fail. But to be honest, this is not looking good. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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JAYAPATAKA UPDATE

PADA: OK so we told Jayapataka there is a child mistreatment problem in 1979. He said -- you get out of ISKCON, and take us to COURT if there is any issue with these kids. So I did, I had his program sued first for $3,000,000 -- and he lost. Then had to sued him again for $400,000,000, and he lost again (both times in Dallas). When he saw me in Los Angeles he ran at me shouting like a mad person. He was not happy I followed his order to take him to court, so I could save these kids? 

Then I helped other cases with other documents, costing millions more. After all that, the Jayapataka people wrote to complain to me that I am costing them $100,000,000, and I am more expensive than the TOVP. When did Srila Prabhupada order the GBC gurus to spend $100,000,000 buying Armani suits and Mercedes for lawyers? I thought he said we should print books? 

Anyway, as soon as we follow their orders, and stop their child mistreatment program in court, then they complain about the money, without even mentioning the trauma they are causing all these children. But yeah we won both times because their main goal of life is to buy Armani suits and Mercedes for lawyers. That is not the goal of the Krishna religion. The good news also is that when they sent their enforcers to place me in the morgue, the FEDS arrested their enforcers and that too cost them a lot of money, because their properties were then SWAT raided by the FEDS etc. They could just sit down and talk to me, but no, they would rather buy Armani suits for their meat eating lawyers. ys pd


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IRM (Krishna Kant)

Back To Prabhupada

ISKCON India ("II"), represented by its "scholars" board ("IISB"), recently launched a series of videos trying to refute The Final Order (TFO) and the position it sets forth, which IISB calls "rtvikism". They felt compelled to do this because, like ISKCON GBC gurus HH Jayadvaita Swami and HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami, they also recognised the position of TFO as being the "Bible" of accepting Srila Prabhupada's order that he is ISKCON's diksa guru:

"The Final Order on rtvikism, which is considered as the Bible for the rtviks. [...] godfather of rtvik."

Thus, even 30 years after TFO was requested by, and sent to, the GBC, ISKCON realises the only way to oppose Srila Prabhupada's position as ISKCON's diksa guru today is to try to refute TFO. The quotes in the shaded boxes above and below are taken from these IISB videos released between 16/5 and 2/6, 2025.

PADA: The final order is not "the Bible" on the idea of worshiping a pure devotee as guru, this was already being discussed widely in Vedic Village Review and other places way before TFO was ever put together. TFO copied and pasted many of the citations already in use by us in the 1980s. Of course Krishna Kanta does get some credit for collating our citations and re-packaging them as TFO, which has helped the ritvik argument along in some areas.  

Forever wrong about TFO

"The Final Order and basically in a nutshell that book propagated the idea that this letter of July 9th, 1977 was Srila Prabhupada's final order on initiations and suddenly because of that letter Prabhupada continues to be the guru forever and ever."

PADA: This "one letter": idea is also a big mistake. Srila Prabhupada says we have to worship a pure devotee in hundreds -- if not thousands -- of places, not just "in one letter." We were already saying Srila Prabhupada is the acharya in 1978 with no TFO to guide us. 

This is a fabrication. TFO does not state that Srila Prabhupada will be the guru "forever". Here is what it actually states:

"Srila Prabhupada will be the initiator within ISKCON for as long as the Society is extant." (TFO, p. 81)

PADA: Well there is a big problem right there. Most of the official ISKCON properties right now are no longer even in the name of ISKCON, there is a slew of other newly formed charities. All of the official ISKCON has declared bankrupt in the USA. 

Most of the remainder of what is left of ISKCON has been hijacked. We should say Srila Prabhupada will be worshiped as the acharya -- until or unless another proven self effulgent acharya appears, which may or may not happen. And he will be worshiped in or out of official ISKCON. It is not dependent on the Society being extant -- especially when the existence of the society is in such doubt and bad repair.

Thus, TFO only states that Srila Prabhupada will be the diksa guru for ISKCON, since he will also be the Acarya for ISKCON. Eternally wrong about TFO

"we find that that "henceforward" is not sanctioned to be considered as "into eternity.""

PADA: ISKCON is being dismantled, demolished and disintegrated and cannot be the standard for how long the acharya will be worshiped. 

This refers to the fact that the July 9th, 1977 directive on initiations was to begin "henceforward". However, TFO does not claim that "henceforward" means "into eternity". Rather, it states:

"The specific word used, "henceforward", only has one meaning, viz. "from now onwards"." (TFO, p. 3)

Indeed, we even state in regard to the word "henceforward" that: "even if we take the word out of the letter, nothing has changed." (TFO, p. 3)

Thus, as before, IISB has simply addressed something TFO does not even state.
More fabrication: Srila Prabhupada stated the "law of disciplic succession" in a letter to Tusta Krsna Dasa on 2/12/75 as follows:

"But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession." It is claimed by the IISB videos that we claim in TFO that this law was:

"somehow reversed by this July 9th letter." And that such a claim by us would be absurd because: "How is it possible? Why would Prabhupada write one thing and contradict himself?"

But we do not state the letter "reverses" the law. We do not state this because the law and the July 9th letter are not incompatible, as we will explain later on. For now, we can note how IISB, rather than answer TFO, has instead yet again just engaged in another fabrication about TFO.

In this way, large sections of the videos do not even attempt to address what TFO actually states, and therefore are completely irrelevant and thus useless in refuting TFO. There are only two times where the IISB videos directly quote and attempt to deal with what TFO states, and we address them next.

Illness doctrine defeated

"July 9th letter actually has list of 11, you know, rtviks assigned by Prabhupada who could do initiation when Prabhupada was not well." This "illness" argument addresses this quote from TFO given by the video: "the July 9th letter really is the final instruction on initiation within ISKCON" (TFO, p. xiv)

PADA: It is odd that the GBC people like Rupanuga and the India scholars board said that worship of the acharya is temporary -- only while he is ill. And then we should worship their assorted deviants, crooks, drunks, homosexuals, pedophiles and deviants as our acharyas.

Thus, IISB is trying to show that the July 9th directive giving the final system for initiations within ISKCON was not issued as a general directive on initiation for ISKCON, even though that is what the directive states. But that rather it was a temporary, one-off measure, instituted only to address Srila Prabhupada's inability to perform initiations due to being ill. 

Hence, the temporary nature of the July 9th directive would be established by this "illness" doctrine ("ID"). However, this ID has already been defeated many times by us in previous BTPs, and again on page 4 of this issue. We will now show how it has also been defeated by IISB themselves. The Bureau is the governing body of ISKCON India, and they stated as part of a resolution, communicated on 25/11/19, that:

"ritvik (guru – as per the July 9 letter)".

ISKCON India Scholars Board

Thus, they state that the appointment of a rtvik in the July 9th letter was also the appointment of "guru". Which means that II believes the July 9th letter was not issued temporarily to deal with Srila Prabhupada's illness, but that it was issued to permanently appoint gurus. Thus, by II's own hand, the ID is demolished, and they must accept the permanent nature of the July 9th directive.

The fact that the July 9th directive does not even mention, nor actually appoint, "guru", does not change the fact that II deludedly believes that it does! The net result is that IISB cannot claim the "illness" objection to TFO's central thesis that the July 9th directive is the final instruction for initiations within ISKCON.

Recycling the defeated

The one other time the IISB videos deal with answering what TFO states is a quote from pages 18-19, wherein TFO speaks about the private letters Srila Prabhupada wrote to those who were "ambitious" to become diksa gurus even in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. IISB's response is to claim that we are claiming Srila Prabhupada "lies" to the devotees concerned. The exact same argument was already made previously by the same IISB member making the claims here, and we already refuted these "lying" claims in BTP 79, and they can be read here:

iskconirm.com/lies

There we show we are not claiming that Srila Prabhupada is lying. Lying projection: We can show, however, that IISB actually does believe Srila Prabhupada is lying.

a) One of the private letters written by Srila Prabhupada, in which the IISB videos falsely claim that we are stating Srila Prabhupada is telling "lies", is a letter to Tusta Krsna Dasa, dated 2/12/75, in which the "law of disciplic succession" that we quoted earlier is stated. However, the letter also refers to being applicable to all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples by stating "every student" and "my disciples". And the IISB videos claim that this "law" is an order for diksa gurus, and that it is "the final decision of initiations". 

Which would mean that, according to IISB, this letter would be authorising female diksa gurus ("FDG"). But IISB has already rejected FDG as a deviation, as we have documented in earlier issues. And, thus, they would have to believe that Srila Prabhupada was "lying" when he referred to "every student" and "my disciples" in this letter.

b) Also, the "law", as we quoted earlier, states that one can only become a diksa guru after the "disappearance" of one's own guru. But ISKCON has authorised numerous diksa gurus in the physical presence of their own spiritual masters. Thus, if IISB believed in the "law", it would have launched a campaign against such "granddisciple gurus", as they are in violation of the "law", which according to IISB was the "final decision of initiations". After all, as we saw in the case of FDG, IISB will launch a campaign against gurus if they believe they are not authorised. But IISB has not launched such a campaign in this case, showing they do not even "believe" in the law, and have only invoked it to try to oppose TFO.

No limitation or incompatibility

In regard to this law, it is further claimed:
 
"what that does is that naturally limits the July 9th letter to the lifetime of Prabhupada."

However, the law only states when it is possible for a disciple to become a diksa guru: "in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples"

It therefore states nothing about when the existing diksa guru must cease acting as a diksa guru himself, since the "law" only states "you can", not "must", accept disciples. Thus, the law does not limit Srila Prabhupada to only acting as the diksa guru during his lifetime. Therefore, the July 9th directive, which states that Srila Prabhupada continues to act as ISKCON's diksa guru, is not limited to Srila Prabhupada's lifetime, as claimed above.

Nor does the July 9th directive change the fact that a guru's physical absence is the only time period in which it is possible for a disciple to become a diksa guru. Thus, just because it may not become necessary to exercise this law, does not mean the law is being discarded or contradicted. So the law and the July 9th directive are not incompatible, nor does one "reverse" or "supersede" the other.

Srila Prabhupada declared deviant

We have dealt with basically all the arguments claimed by IISB to be from Srila Prabhupada that supposedly terminate the July 9th directive. One other relevant quote from Srila Prabhupada offered by the IISB videos was the quote from October 18th, 1977, which was already answered on page 4.

An extremely large portion of the videos deal instead with going outside Srila Prabhupada's actual statements and claiming to offer evidence from: the leaders of organisations outside ISKCON, tradition, and "sastra". But what outside leaders may say is irrelevant to what Srila Prabhupada ordered. This can only be determined by examining Srila Prabhupada's orders themselves! And "tradition" will be shown in the next article as not being able to prevent Srila Prabhupada from continuing as ISKCON's diksa guru.

The arguments from "sastra" are self-defeating because they would mean that what IISB accepts Srila Prabhupada did order would also not be sastric. For example, they claim "sastra" states:

"First thing is this name-giving ceremony is done by an Acarya. [...] so the representative cannot give the name. [...] The Acarya should tell [...] Rtvik Prabhu, I thought of this name [...] This much communication must be there from Acarya to representative."

Thus, it is emphatically claimed that a spiritual name cannot be given by the rtvik representative, but rather must only be given by the Acarya or diksa guru. But IISB accepts that the July 9th directive is a valid document authorised by Srila Prabhupada, and this states the exact opposite, that the representative alone gives the spiritual name:

"After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name".

Thus, in their desperation to defeat TFO using "sastra", they have only ended up claiming that it is Srila Prabhupada himself who has deviated from sastra!

The Final Order

Final order delivers final nail

PADA: The Final Order is simply one of many tools currently being used to re-focus the worship on Srila Prabhupada. Some new bhakta just wrote to PADA and he said their temple has had so many GBC gurus come and go, there is no incentive to worship any one of them now. It is "revolving door" gurus. So he is going to worship Srila Prabhupada. 

I think that is the direction it is heading no matter what. That being said, Krishna Kant has some strange obsession with his idea that we cannot conduct ritvik initiations until we convince the GBC to do them for us. What if the GBC never does? He does not seem to have a plan B. 

KK originally wanted me to work under Jayapataka and take a vacation in the Caribbean under the loving care of JPS, so he has had secret meetings with them. But I fail to see any positive result. Worse, I never would have returned alive from KK's Caribbean vacation. I would have probably been sliced up with machetes and fed to the Caribbean sharks. He is a little naive, or compromised, or in league with the bad guys, but his ideas are not completely correct. Anyway yeah, there is no other order, worship the pure devotee is the only order -- full time and all the time. ys pd

 

ys pd

Russia Art / Jadurani / Indradyumna feet / PADA critics / Vedabase 08 01 26

Art from somewhere in Russia?

Looks like they mixed: medieval angel's wings,

some Krishna art, and who knows what.

Notice the figure on left is touching His foot.

Kinda odd? OK, but I think I like it!

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PADA: It looks like a lot of these "senior devotees" like Jadurani, Srutakirti, Rupanuga, Satsvarupa, Hari sauri etc. are cashing in on their status as former servants of Srila Prabhupada. But if these folks were so dedicated to Srila Prabhupada, how did ISKCON go up in smoke almost immediately after 1978? 

And now these people are sort of guru wanna-be big shot authorities. As for Jadurani going to Narayan Maharaja -- wait -- when the manure hit the fan, NM was a prime person shoveling manure into the fan -- hanging out with his BFF GBC gurus. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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PADA: Good question prabhu, why does the GBC allow all this foolishness? Ummm, because these people are the GBC, or they control the GBC. All this feet touching stuff is also not authorized. Yeah this looks total cult-like whacked and intelligent people are not going to join this crazyness, and worship these fools. It will always be their fiefdom little cults. Agreed! ys pd

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PADA: Thanks for sending JJ. Yeah he looks like he is suffering. These guys think they can absorb karma like Jesus. Nope! This is Hari Parshad's guru, no wonder he is with the GBC clod hopper's guru system. 

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Ron Singh / HKC Jaipur / Mukunda UK / Prahlad / Mathura Pati etc.

PADA: Yep prabhu! Thanks for the question, what is the response from these folks? OK there is none, same as the GBC. These Ron Singh and HKC Jaipur ilk guys are making videos with Naranarayan NNV -- who says the ritviks are -- poison slimy snakes -- while claiming to be pro-ritviks. So this is called hypocrisy. And the HKC clan made another video with Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa. 

Then they are quoting Bhavananda's cheer leader Hari Sauri. Then, after the HKC Jaipur folks like Prahlad das crammed Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta Dasa's video forward to me about 100 times, HKC Jaipur Dayalu Nitai responds "I don't know who Bhakta dasa is." But we told them Bhakta supports Saint Radhanath over and over?

They have no idea who and what they are promoting? The GBC also says the same thing, well we did not know this guy was a pedophile. Yeah but we told you he was about 1,000 times.

And they clearly promoted the Naranaryan NNV video, the same person who says ritviks are poison slimy snakes. They make videos with these anti-ritvik people, or worse pro-GBC pedo guru people, and cram these videos down PADA's and everyone else's throat. Then they are infuriated PADA is not promoting their videos. Then they claim -- they have no idea who and what they are promoting? 

Sorry, they know VERY WELL who and what they are promoting. It really comes down to, PADA caught them with their hands in the poison slimy snake ritviks and pedophile guru boosting cookie jar. Now they have chocolate cookie mess smeared all over their faces, but "I did not touch these cookies, honest." Sheesh!

No, you did touch these cookies! Hee hee. So they are not honest people, it is that simple. And that is why they hold a grudge. So do the GBC folks as well. But no, I do not expect a reply from the anti-ritvik and pro-pedophile guru folks, because there is no good response. My job is to expose them, and keep other people from falling into their process. Then there is Purujit, and he advertises GBC people like Jayapataka holding his book. OK then! ys pd  

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About the Prahlad Nrsimha Vedabase Icon

Prahlad of vedabase.io has expressed his concern about the copyright of his icon and has decided to report the hosting platform where vedabase.cc is hosted. Surprisingly, he is willing to risk the only source of the original books of Srila Prabhupada to protect his own ridiculous icon.

This situation highlights his lack of ethics. Prahlad is so concerned about his icon, while continuing to distribute Srila Prabhupada's books with thousands of unauthorised modifications by His Divine Grace. This deceives devotees around the world, making them believe they are receiving the original versions.

If he really cares about the copyright issue, why does he offer the mutilated books of Srila Prabhupada on his website? This is not a minor matter. I invite you to check the horrendous number of changes by yourself at: 

https://diff.vedicvault.org/