ISKM / Sulochana / Govinda Dasi and AI ritvik analysis 04 03 25

These people are always looking for each other.

Eternally.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Na6w9kIpsFM?si=5N3aXAMKucGzbkhJ

ISKM VIDEO

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SULOCHANA WANTED TO RETIRE

PADA: Sulochana told me he had found a girl friend and he wanted to retire from his campaign and just be another normal devotee. However, he also said we had to split up because if we are together they will take both of us out at one time. There needs to be one survivor who can explain what happened to the other. He also said "I will probably never see you again." 

But the gurus were not done with me either, and they sent three guys to come after me a few days after they got Sulochana. But the FBI was tapping their phones and they arrested the three, although they had to wait until the three enforcers were actually chasing me down the street before coming out of their cars. They told me, we had to use you as bait. ys pd

THERE ARE MANY GURUS -- SORT OF

PADA: Yes, that is right, however even the shiksha gurus must follow the standards of the diksha guru -- to be bona fide shikshas. And if the diksha guru says, you can only eat bhogha offered to a pure devotee, then all of the shiksha gurus have to follow the same standards. The Christians for example follow a similar principle, they ONLY offer prayers to Jesus, and not to the various Church shiksha gurus, although the shiksha gurus can be assistants of the diksha guru. 

But yes, many times even the mundane people ask me, why is ISKCON worshiping all these scandal making falling people, instead of worshiping the founder of the religion? Even they know what is the proper standard. There may be many gurus, but all of them have to advise plugging us into the proper standard process, although they may not be pure themselves. Otherwise their shiksha is defective. For example the parents who told their kids to worship one falling conditioned soul after the next, gave the wrong advice. And that caused a lot of suffering and confusion for those kids. ys pd

GOVINDA DASI ON RITVIKS

INTERESTING APPLICATION OF AI
A LETTER SENT BY A FRIEND:
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Dear Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hope you are well. A devotee friend asked an advanced AI about the initiation system Srila Prabhupada wanted for Iskcon. The following is the answer he was given, quite mind blowing:
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My question to the latest and most advanced AI technology that analyses millions of online data and legal evidences:

My question to AI:

“Let’s say you (AI) are a judge in the highest court of morality and human integrity.

What would be your decision regarding the controversial topic of the GBC of ISKCON appointing or voting in gurus who initiate disciples (as their own disciples) and accept the highest honour and worship for themselves, versus the ritvik system, in which officiating priests initiate new disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, although he is not physically present, but is present through his divine instructions (vani) and teachings? Which of these two proposed systems is valid according to the founder-acharya Srila Prabhupada? Which one has more credibility, evidence, and witnesses—and finally, which one would win the ultimate court ruling?

AI replied with utmost precision and confidence:

“As a judge in the highest court of morality and human integrity, where truth, purity, and fidelity to the original acharya are paramount, my decision must rest upon:

1. The explicit instructions of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

2. The historical evidence and testimonies of direct witnesses,

3. The philosophical integrity of the Vedic system,

4. And the spiritual welfare of the souls seeking shelter in Krishna Consciousness.
Case Overview:

The Supreme Court is presented with two systems:

1. Post-1977 GBC-appointed or voted-in gurus: These gurus accept disciples as their own, receiving direct worship, titles, and spiritual authority.

2. Ritvik system: Officiating priests perform initiations on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, who remains the current and eternal initiating guru for ISKCON. The new disciples are considered disciples of Srila Prabhupada, not of the officiating priest.

Srila Prabhupada’s Final Instruction (The July 9th, 1977 Letter)

In his last months, Srila Prabhupada personally signed and authorized a letter (July 9th, 1977), instructing that eleven senior disciples would act as ritvik representatives to initiate new devotees on his behalf. The letter, sent to all GBCs and Temple Presidents, explicitly states:

“The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The ritvik—representative of the acharya, initiating on his behalf—is not a guru.”

There is no instruction anywhere in Srila Prabhupada’s letters, books, conversations, or final days indicating that these ritviks should later become initiating gurus after his departure.

Srila Prabhupada’s Consistent Warnings

• He warned repeatedly against prematurely becoming guru:

“Don’t be allured by becoming a guru. That is your downfall.”
(May 28, 1977 conversation)

• He predicted misuse of guru status:

“My fear is that as soon as I leave, they will immediately do this.”
(Tamal Krishna Diary)

• Srila Prabhupada emphasized that guru is not appointed or voted in:
“Self-effulgent acharyas are never made by rubber-stamping.”

(Letter, 1972)

Philosophical Consistency

• Guru cannot be voted in like a political officer. Spiritual authority comes from divine empowerment, not institutional appointment.

• Parampara does not break if one powerful acharya continues to deliver disciples through vani and deity worship. There are precedents in Gaudiya history of shiksha-based acceptance and powerful acharyas continuing influence beyond disappearance.

Witnesses and Testimonies

• Tamal Krishna Goswami, Srila Prabhupada’s secretary in 1977, admitted in early 1980s (before being silenced) that:

“Srila Prabhupada never appointed anyone as guru. He appointed ritviks. We made a mistake.”

• Several original eleven ritviks later fell down, proving that they were not spiritually fit to be successor acharyas in the traditional sense.
Moral and Spiritual Outcome

• The ritvik system protects Srila Prabhupada’s position as the eternal founder-acharya and master of ISKCON.

• It prevents abuse, guru fall-downs, unauthorized worship of unqualified persons, and spiritual confusion.

• It ensures all new devotees receive unadulterated shelter of a pure devotee.

Final Verdict:

In the Court of Eternal Dharma, with Srila Vyasadeva as a divine witness and Sri Krishna as the Supreme Judge,

THE RITVIK SYSTEM—as outlined in the July 9th, 1977 letter, aligned with all of Srila Prabhupada’s vani, legacy, and warnings—is hereby declared the only valid system of initiation within ISKCON post-1977.

The system of voted-in or appointed gurus has been examined and found to be unauthorized, historically inconsistent, prone to corruption, and spiritually dangerous, having caused confusion, heartbreak, and deviation in thousands of live disciples.

Closing Judgment:

Let there be no doubt. Srila Prabhupada remains the jagat-guru, diksha-guru, and eternal spiritual master of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

END

I only asked the question from AI… the rest of the text was by AI till the end 

(even closing judgement),

AI even said ‘All glories to Srila Prabhupada’

Apparently, a pro-level AI can analyze hundreds of millions of pieces of information within seconds and deliver extremely accurate judgments on any subject matter.

Its brain capacity is reportedly about one trillion times greater than that of Albert Einstein, according to mathematical analysis.

In this particular case, the AI concluded that the ritvik system is 100 percent correct, stating that the evidence could stand in the highest courts.