PADA: Thanks AMD prabhu, yeah they are making more lawyers take over management positions. And they sued the KBI so at present there are no original books being printed. Yes, they are hiding behind a wall of lawyers. They don't care what the mass of devotees want, and they never did.
We were all booted out to make room for the false gurus and their legal enforcement program. Gaudiya Matha also made a big legal defense program. Unfortunately, many children have ended up being victims of their policies, never mind the temples have suffered, the original books have suffered, and the whole of ISKCON has suffered. Yeah, they don't care. ys pd
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SRD: BREAKING NEWS!!!
THE GBCs ARE DISBANDING THE INTERNATIONAL CPO!
At the beginning of 2024 I made a short video expressing my concerns because it came out that the GBCs were planning a hostile take over of the CPO.
I recently found out that the specific details of their plan are far more sinister than anything I had imagined! Over the years GBCs have repeatedly assured the devotee community that they would refrain from interfering in CPO matters.
After they decided to meddle with the Lokanath case to ensure he would receive a preferential treatment the GBCs again renewed their promise that 'Hence forth they would never again interfere... Only to jump right back in to help Keshava Bharati.
This year at the annual Gaura Purnima GBC meetings, they again went back on their promise by announcing that they were going to force Kamlesh Krishna Prabhu into involuntary, early retirement at the next annual meetings in Mayapur.
The GBCs arbitrarily decided that the post of the CPO Director ought to be the only position in ISKCON to have term limits.
They assured the devotee community that they would find a suitable replacement.
We are now only a couple of months away and the GBCs still haven't found a replacement...
This is because there will be no replacement!
I was just informed that the GBC plans to disband the international CPO and outsource its work to a new committee headed by a lady called Govinda Lilamrita devi dasi. The committee is made up entirely of people with legal backgrounds.
To the best of my knowledge none of them have any significant training or experience in the field of Child Protection, inside or outside of ISKCON. I get the sense that these lawyers do not have the slightest idea of the magnitude and complexity of the task they've signed up for.
The typical lack of transparency on a change of this import to the community is alarming in and if itself. The fact that the GBCs believe that lawyers, who are inexperienced in child protection, could somehow fill the boots of the ICPO tells me what they have already amply demonstrated, which is that child protection IS NOT a priority for them.
The fact that these devotee lawyers would even entertain taking on a task of such enormity and importance, knowing full well that they are not even remotely qualified, does not speak well of them.
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At present the CPO works with the standard known as 'preponderance of evidence' generally used in civil cases. My forecast is that these lawyers will raise it to the standard 'beyond reasonable doubt', used in criminal cases. Criminal courts use this exacting standard, because the punishments they can award are extreme.
However, this makes no sense whatsoever here, given that the only sanctions the CPO or GBCs can impose are a suspension of luxurious privileges. This singular change will unfairly favor the perpetrators and bring no benefit to their victims.
I expect that these lawyers will retroactively apply this new standard of evidence to review the cases of the individuals they would like to see exonerated like Laxmimoni and Keshava Bharati.
There is a group of die-hard supporters of Laxmimoni and Kesha a Bharati, made up of senior denotes. From the very beginning they have campaigned to ensure that their favorite child abuser got exonerated at any cost. Even if it meant trampling over her victims and dismantling the CPO.
This group includes Hridayananda Maharaj, Badrinarayana Swami, Jayadvaita Swami, Sivaram Swami, Malati and Radha Dasi. These changes will be devastating, they will catapult ISKCON Child Protection back to the stone ages.
May Lord Krsna protect His devotees!
ZZ: Surely this post of ICPO and / or CPO is better placed as an independent body investigating the activities of GBC within ISKCON? How can a post Which is filled from within satisfy justice and the plight of objectivity?
AD: Yes, but how does an independent body get the authority to investigate and police the GBCs?
ZZ: hummm... well on the grounds of child protection should be an independent agency and should be able to investigate.
AD: You only have authority to investigate someone if they recognize your authority. Hypothetically, if you were to open your own investigative body and come to my house asking questions, I will only cooperate if I accept your authority to do so. Without my cooperation you wouldn't get very far.
DD: I Just wrote this to Anuttama
Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Credible sources are telling us that when Kamlesh Krishna completes his service as CPO Director, there is no intention to replace him. Rather a team/panel of lawyers will oversee these matters.
Is this true?
I cannot understand the logic - not in any charitable way anyway.
Kamlesh and Gandharvika have qualifications in child protection. They not only were victim-friendly but also put on preventative/educational seminars. What backgrounds do these lawyers have that equip them for this kind of sensitive work? Will they be approachable for victims? The reputation that most of them have is that they side with the accused and the institution and only want to consider evidence that proves "guilt beyond reasonable doubt" (i.e. a tougher standard than civic cases such as preponderance of evidence).
It's going to look a lot like Kamlesh and Gandharvika were pushed out for not being obedient to GBC directives - and that they were starved of support and resources whilst in office. It's going to look a lot like the institution is moving away from the interests of victims - and keeping children safe - and circling the wagons to take care of the movement's reputation and the reputations of the leaders (even those who offend).
How do you see this working?
Of course, you may claim that we have been misinformed - that all of this is baseless - and you might still have time to elect a new course.
Trust remains rock bottom in the institution's leadership - and its woeful handling of abuse matters is perhaps the most egregious of its failures.
Will there be any comms on any of this? How will the Society's leadership convince the general mass of devotees that it's truly committed to not only eradicating abuse but also to handling cases with integrity?
SF: Damodara Dasa It seems to me they don't care about optics, because they know that there is an issue with general mass or majority of devotees not caring enough. Or either not caring at all enough, maybe not caring enough to be "voting with their feet" (or donations). Unlike all other human religious community by now had enough decency and humanity to chose.
All others seems to already have either reached or reaching critical mass of conscientious decent human beings, who cannot tolerate the rot anymore. But ours?
DL: Agree.
MG: DD prabhu with all respect to your endeavours but this is like trying to play electrical guitar without turning amplifier on. This Anuttama guy is one of the main players there, he will never be on your side
DD: His reply confirms the truth of the plan. Furthermore he acknowledges that this plan has not factored in - thus far - the concerns that I raised. It’s a tacit admission of problematic thinking. That is a useful thing to have out in the open
SF: suspect that maybe we didn't ever have just the case of " fish is rotting from the head " problem.spreading just from the top. I think we / ISKCON always have had cadre problem. It is like those rare Muslim countries with "female circumcision." It is like a medieval spectators watching "witch" burnings for entertainment.
It is like masses of soccer hooligans vandalizing everything in their path.It is like soccer hooligans and neo Nazi skinheads stomping children in public to death. It is like mass rapes of civilians in Bosnian, Vietnam, African wars. It is like Taliban recently; and few decades ago even rural Turks buying up to 4 young virgin wives. Like they are livestock.
CL: DD thank you for your efforts. I feel these guys want what they want, and feel that they are untouchable. Nothing can be said to them, unless a yamaduta personally appears to them. This I'd love to see. My conviction now is that they will continue to lord over their minions, do as they please, and protect their 'friends'. There is no real principled decision making, no righteousness. And probably never has been any, their "concern" was all for show.
I have no belief in GBC, therefore an ISCKON who still follows them. I sadly have no desire to step inside ISCKON Mayapur EVER again. By some miracle, may this change when these hooligans die, but of that I am also losing hope. I really appreciate your dedication, care, and tenacity.
RMD: Go directly to the police. Never trust that Iskcon management will care for the devotees. Our only chances are to file a complaint with the police before sharing any information with anyone outside your direct family.
VRD: This is what I have been thinking of, if Iskcon will do injustice, then devotees will have to seek justice from local authority legally. Let the culprits go to jail. Maybe this is what our Lord Krishna wants. Enough of protecting these vile rascals.
SF: Often predators are wealthy- and their lawyers can make great difference in court.
SND: I went to the police, the perpetrator confessed, but Iskcon still ignored all the evidence. I don’t see any hope anymore.
SF: Yea like Alan Dershowitz defended Kirtanananda, and was helping Jeffrey Epstein secure controversial plea deal.
RG: Headlines such as the expose of other false gurus need to be commonplace. Btw this guy was a high profile guru but couldn't escape justice unlike hordes of pedophile and murderous godmen elsewhere.
May be an image of 2 people and text that says 'Asaram Bapu gets life imprisonment in rape case The 81-year-old self- -styled godman Asaram is serving life sentence in Jodhpur jail for raping minor girl at his ashram in Rajasthan in 2013. Updated February 01, 2023 12:21 am IST- AHMEDABAD MAHESH LANGA Asaram Bapu. File Read in App Gandhinagar sessions court sentenced self- styled godman Asaram Bapu to life imprisonment in connection with 2013 rape case.
RFD: Through someone connected to top level GBC I was told their twisted way of thinking, the gist of it: that only in America is striving for truth important. That in other cultures, if someone molests a child, no one demands to know the details and they don’t make an example of him, they let the offender be so that they don’t embarrass him, and he can still participate in village life, but they’re all aware that he has issues and they keep an eye out. They truly believe this.
RG: Unsurprisingly one can see that God cannot be found via worship of a network of wrong doers hiding in grand marble structures inside big brick and mortar institutions.
AV: Perhaps preparing also for what's coming??? Just a thought. Shocker, just when you think it can't get worse...
NYD: Go to the POLICE from now on. When they have cops showing up to temples and gurukulas and getting all the bad publicity - they'll wish they never disbanded it. The only thing the lawyers will be protecting is ISKCON'S money - making sure the victim doesn't sue or giving the perpetrator legal advice to keep them out of trouble!
PLK: "Even if it meant trampling over her victims and dismantling the CPO. This group includes Hridayananda Maharaj, Badrinarayana Swami, Jayadvaita Swami, Sivaram Swami, Malati and Radha Dasi." Brahma Tirtha Dasa (Bob Cohen) of "Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers" fame was also instrumental in this unfortunately.
FR: Call the civil authorities immediately when an alleged violation occurs on temple property. If a person in a leadership role has an allegation against them with a minor, call the civil authorities. Give donations only to your local congregation and restrict them if you do. In writing demand what the money is to be used for. Tell the board of they accept it, they accept it on your terms.
EN: Clear and logical. Thank you for informing us.
MJ: They (the GBC, tps, "gurus????"), pay lip service to child protection while shoring up their cosy little money making scams. Tell me about it!!.
DN: This appears to be a beuracratic folly of musical chairs. Hold on to power and waste as much time so no cases become adjusted.
AF: The management's first obligation is to protect the interests of the institution, hoping that when outsiders look at the institution they won't notice the discrepancies. But I'm also aware that the CPOs, and especially their local temple representatives, need some serious training on how to legally address issues. If not done properly it could lead to complications for ISKCON. Probably best to let the courts handle it.
NH: What needs to happen is criminal negligence charges need to be filed when the opportunity arises if it hasnt already. Real consequences need to take place.
Some how this needs to touch their capacity to earn income. Maybe then theyll take it really seriously.
DNK: Time to make more documentaries. Expose them.
PDN: What is the problem?
SS: From ceto darpana marjana to simply an eyewash.
RS: ISKCON is a very corrupt organisation that needs shutting down.
SGD: Time the GBC is held to account, legally or overthrown - is there no legal way to hold them to account (the ones that are the bad apples)? - or internal policies to deal with this corruption- if not then there needs to be!
CLP: Having only lawyers deal with victim abuse cases does not put the victim at the heart of the dealings. This is extremely unprofessional and inappropriate.
DLD: Weaponzing "clever" lawyers against victims and witnesses so anything controversial will be automatically squashed and double talked out of existence. Anuttama Dasa and friends, we see right through you.
MLD: Dark forces inside ISGONE don't want predators to be removed and gladly accept further child molestation. Very dark.
LD: All these corrupt people are not an exception, they are the norm in ISKCON.
PD: I think the only solution is to advise victims (or their guardians) of any form of s*x offenses within ISKCON is to make a legal criminal complaint with law enforcement. Law enforcement has their own teams to deal with such issues. In 1997, when we were having ISKCON sued for $400,000,000, the leaders -- like Badrinarayan, Giriraj, Hrdayananda, Amarendra, Jaydvaita, et al. were all gathered in a flock on the Watseka sidewalk yapping away merrily.
When I came around the corner on my bike, they all went silent, and they just glared at me in silence. In other words, their lawyers had advised them -- not -- to speak to me. Anything you say to this guy -- can and will be used against you in a court of law! The only guy who did speak something was Jayapataka. He came out of the temple -- roaring at me like a wounded elephant -- as he ran towards me -- screaming -- rahhhhhhrrrrhhhh!
I thought he was going to break me in two. But at least he made some sound. He just ended up silent and glaring at me as well. So they lawyered up a long time ago. And if they have made a NEW team of lawyers to be the new "advisors" on all this, I don't think anyone should be surprised. But yeah, a number of people including media folks have asked me, why wasn't the entire GBC sued for fraud, criminal negligence, orchestrated child mistreatment, corrupting the morals of minors etc. -- a long time ago?
Meanwhile, the Jayapataka people wrote a complaint to me -- that I have cost ISKCON $100,000,000 by my helping various lawsuits. Lets face it, they spare no expense on their legal program. But there was evidently not enough money left over to buy shoes, food, medicine and things like soap -- for the kids. If you want to be well taken care of in and around ISKCON, and have a nice new Mercedes and the latest $4,500 Armani shoes, you'd need to be their lawyer. Then you will be well cared for. Otherwise, not so much. Same reason they asked the GBC members to agree to a non disclosure of the contents of their meetings, they are getting the advice of lawyers. Of course the M A F I A folks also hire the $900 an hour lawyers, same process. ys pd
YDD: I cannot believe that I gave my life to this iskcon. How shameless can these fellas be? They're not even pretending to be saintly.
KSD: I feel the same. Gave the best years of my life, made my children traumatized. All for what?
SRD: At least they're honest about their deception...