Bhima Karma -- New Vrndavana / ISKCON Guru Speaks / Tulsi Arotike VIDEO 03 30 24

Krishna teaches proper child care --

by posing as one Himself.

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 “Growing up at New Vrindavan – Uncovering ISKCON’s dark past”

PODCAST: Episode 117 – Monday 1st April 2024

We’re pleased to welcome Bhima-Karma Prabhu as our guest on this week’s podcast. Raised in the Hare Krishna movement, he spent much of his childhood at New Vrindavan – an ISKCON farm community based in West Virginia, USA.
It was there that he was witness to – and experienced – some of the most horrific crimes.

A victim of systemic child abuse over many years, Bhima shares with us his story. This is one that every devotee needs to hear. As well as the physical and sexual abuse that he experienced, he talks about the murder of his father, and deaths of his two brothers – one from being locked in a freezer at the other from alcohol poisoning.

As a child, Bhima was a victim to the paedophilic regime run by ISKCON. Despite that, he now uses his experiences of the past to help and support others today who are dealing with trauma and abuse. A trauma therapist, healer and musician, he has established the worldwide Mridanga Sampradaya – a global foundation to educate, teach and inspire others about the glory of kirtan.

“Throughout this life, Sri Mridanga has been my spiritual connection, practice and offering. Taking shelter of the Vedic traditions, I guide students in exploring mridanga as an expression and development of our essential nature,” said Bhima.
For more details, visit www.mridanga.com

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PADA: Yep, bad things happened to a lot of children. For that matter, a lot of bad things happened to a lot of adults as well. One of our friends died of alcohol poison, he was drinking Vodka for days on end. Needless to say, this had devastating consequences for his family members. 

A female ex-ISKCON child said -- when she was just a young teen aged kid -- her parents "dumped her at an ISKCON temple -- and left to go to India for some rasika classes, and they never returned." No plan was ever made to have this child cared for, and it was only luck one ex-ISKCON lady took her in and cared for her. 

That care taker lady had divorced her ISKCON husband because he was too much of an imperious leader type, so it was truly Krishna's mercy that this young lady got some shelter. It looks to me like more than a few people went out seeking rasika, and they neglected their practical affairs, or even their own children.

Someone asked me if Mathura Pati was recently promoting Bhakta das, and he was. He was telling me that Bhakta das is correct, PADA is always "writing about stools." OK "stool" topics for them are: -- ISKCON's children, Srila Prabhupada's changed books, and Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint. 

This is all "stools" for these GBC sympathy people, who are still crying like little babies that we did not surrender to their plan to have me run off with Jayapataka to the Caribbean. Boo hoo!, gimme a kleenex already.

And Bhakta das said I was making offenses to Saint Radhanath. Well I am sorry to report this, but confidence in Bhakta das and his Saint Radhanath is about zero among our associates. People should view Bhima Karma's story -- if they want to know what happened to some of the victims under their Saint Radhanath process. So yeah, Mathura Pati's program will be another program where people find out about something about Krishna, to some extent, and then they find our sites. So it all works out in the end. 

We keep getting more contacts all the time, mostly people who come from other programs. We just got another guy recently, he said he was booted out over and over from his ISKCON temple, and they made up stuff about him to discredit him etc. And the new Hindu managers "are mean and racists." OK. Sounds typical.

Someone sent me the preaching schedule of BV Bishnu and said -- see, you need a living person! OK but he is only staying here and there for a few days, and that means the main connection people will have is with local people in any case. 

Which means the local people are acting as ritviks or representatives. Sorry, the local GBC guru guy here also comes to visit for maybe one day every year -- to initiate a few people --- then he flies back to India. The main connection people have is with local people, or people who Zoom call with people like us, and so on and so forth. 

A person who visits here and there is not able to give day to day living guidance, the local people will be doing that in the main. That means they will also have a ritvik type system. Anyway, we keep getting more folks on board, and more victims coming out with their stories, so the truth will prevail eventually.

ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com   

Yeah, growing up at 

New Vrndavana under:

SAINT RADHANATH's PROGRAM

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FROM A RECENT 2024 VIDEO WITH AN ISKCON GURU: 

“After Srila Prabhupada’s departure there was a great deal of angst amongst the leaders of Iskcon. Again as I was serving as a bramachari in those days, a young man, my elders, who were maybe five to ten years older than I, had a great deal of weight placed on their shoulders. So again, in 1978, after the first Mayapur festival after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, the GBC gathered and was debating what to do next. I honestly had the impression, I was serving Satsvarupa Maharaja as the assistant secretary at that time, and I could see from the GBC meetings as he was returning, there was a great deal of uncertainty on how to proceed. 

It was like these young men had this tremendous weight placed on their shoulders and they really didn’t know what to do. So there was a debate in the GBC whether or not to consult one of Prabhupada’s Godbrothers, one of his supportive and close Godbrothers. Some people were against it and said the GBC’s responsible and should figure it out themselves. But others said no, we need guidance, so that side prevailed.”

He states he “honestly had the impression.” That’s reasonable, considering his position at that time. I’m sure others also had that impression. But now so much has been uncovered and must be considered to reach the correct conclusion:

“The GBC told Srila Prabhupada that everything was clear to them on Oct. 18, 1977, so then why did they go to a Gaudiya Matha advisor in March of 1978 and take advice on the initiation issue?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.532)

Srila Prabhupada spoke with many times about his frustration with the Gaudiya Math, and how things went awry due to his Godbrother’s actions after the departure of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada. He certainly would not leave his disciples without any guidance as to how to proceed after his departure. This is ludicrous. He also would make sure his disciples were ABSOLUTELY CLEAR on his instructions so that they needed no management guidance from his Godbrothers.

“As he sat up, he said suddenly, “Anything to ask before I depart?” Tamal answered quickly: “No, you have already told us everything.” (Hari Sauri’s unpublished diary, p. 18)

“Srila Prabhupada replied, ‘Don’t pray for me. I have to go.’ Then he asked TKG if there were any further questions that had to be asked. The answer was ‘No, you’ve answered them all.’ (ISKCON in the 1970’s, Satsvarupa, p. 323)

Why not simply follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions? Srila Prabhupada had given the GBC “The Direction Of Management”, the “July 9th letter”, and his “Last Will”. These well-laid-out official signed documents in regard to managing Iskcon should have answered all their questions. He had been training them for years to manage after his departure.

“I am getting old, 75 years old, therefore at any time I may be out of the scene, therefore I think it is necessary to give instruction to my disciples how they shall manage the whole institution.” (from Srila Prabhupada’s Direction Of Management 7/28/70)

“I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. So if instead of taking the training, if in my lifetime you people [my senior disciples] say, ‘I am the Lord of all I survey,’ that is dangerous conspiracy.” (Srila Prabhupada 10/8/74)

“The system of management will continue as it is now and there is no need of any change.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will 6/6/77)

“Recently when all the GBC members were in Vrindavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that He would soon appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “Rtvik”- Representative of the Acharya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first and second initiation……Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple…….The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative.….. .” (July 9th letter, 1977)

“Prabhupada was very deliberate and careful to formulate such policies on paper with signatures. Prabhupada was very businesslike and did not do things whimsically or carelessly.”(Hansadutta dasa 6/17/93)

Where is the document or where did Srila Prabhupada say that these 11 officiating acharyas become guru's after He departs? There isn't any signed document. Even TKG said in Topanga Canyon that Srila Prabhupada never appointed gurus: 

“Actually Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He appointed 11 ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we (fraudulently) interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus.” (Tamal Krishna Goswami’s Pyramid House Confessions 12/3/80)

“There was no past precedence for a multi guru system. Srila Prabhupada gave no instruction on how multiple gurus were to fit into Iskcon. Also no past Acharyas had ever selected multiple successors who were all to act as gurus within one and same ashram or ashram organization. And especially when the previous acharya had set up an ultimate authority (the GBC in Iskcon) for that ashram organization.” (Ameyatma dasa Ritvik Analysis)

“In March 1978 the GBC then claimed (see Part 11), without evidence and without showing the July 9 Letter, that Srila Prabhupada had appointed the temporary ritviks as full successor acharyas, a fraud possible only because many tapes and letters were hidden or missing. After concealing Srila Prabhupada’s instructions for future gurus and initiations, Tamal and cohorts were free to claim what they wanted. They and the GBC (of which they were the majority controller) simply announced Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as the new initiating gurus. With today’s information so readily available due to the amazing facilitation of the internet, it is hard to imagine how printed materials, cassette tapes, mailed letters, telegrams, and landline phones were the modes of communication in 1977. This explains how “the eleven” concealed Srila Prabhupada’s vital instructions from the devotee community for so long.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.338)

“…..But by mid-1977 it became clear to the ambitious disciples that Srila Prabhupada wanted to do what his guru had done, namely that a body of commissioners would manage what he had put in place. No person or persons were to become ISKCON acharya. All information relating to the Final Order had to be erased, concealed, modified, re-interpreted. Srila Prabhupada was quarantined. No letters in or out, no visitors except those approved and monitored, and “contradictory” taped conversations and instructions were disappeared or concealed…..” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.427)

“(1) Why was the so-called guru selection or 'appointment' not announced by Srila Prabhupada himself during his manifest presence? (2) Why did the GBC or the eleven “appointees” not announce publicly the appointment of gurus before Srila Prabhupada departed in Nov. 1977, or at least immediately afterwards, and why did they wait until the end of March 1978, remaining silent for over 4 months? (3) Did the GBC wait until after Srila Prabhupada's departure to publicly announce the new gurus so they would not be corrected by Srila Prabhupada?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.538)

Dasarath / Alachua Cancer Group / Bhakti Chaitanya swami ETC. 03 28 24

Yes, this is the boss of the whole situation.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-prabhupada-disciple-dasaratha-suta-buy-an-rv?

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Hare Krishna Dear Devotees

ALACHUA CANCER SURVIVOR SANGA -- meeting in Alachua downtown every Friday 1:00 - 2:30pm. Also has private WhatsApp group. Confidentiality is honored. For past Survivors and also currently active cancer challenges. Much helpful information is shared, and comforting emotional support is a priceless component of the healing process.

Send PM to Sweta Brows in Messenger to be added to the group, describe your cancer situation briefly and state if you want your phone number to be added to our WhatsApp group. Also welcoming caregivers and family of cancer patients, and natural healing practitioners who wish to participate in our journey. Thank you!

PADA: OK what we said, and my Mormon nurse friend said, there is a cancer problem among the Hare Krishnas. Something is amiss. ys pd

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BHAKTI CHAITANYA SWAMI

Anon Devotee: There's blood on the hands of the large majority of our leaders and as a young person raised in ISKCON I, along with many other young devotees between the ages of 20-35 have no interest in taking initiation or submitting to criminals, their accomplices or enablers.

Firstly I would like to thank the creators of this group and the devotees who are working tirelessly to expose these truths to us. I am a second generation devotee whose parents took brahmin initiation and my husband has exactly the same background as me.

We were raised in a country that's the hub of guru worshipping fanaticism (South Africa) however we immigrated many years ago. Prior to truth being revealed about our leaders I always questioned the blatant hypocrisy of our leaders and system. Simple living and higher thinking could never be applied to those who expect monthly debit orders to fund their intricate meal requirements and fancy technological devices. 

Vyasa puja celebrations and their decorations were often times more fancy than the Lord's appearance days. You were bullied if you showed respect to any demigods and worshipped them to take u to Krishna, or called "Hindu bindu", however one was just expected to fall at the feet of criminals in expensive foot bathing ceremonies.

Almost every teaching of our scriptures are being violated by our child abusers and their enablers. My heart breaks for the victims and I personally have no idea how many of them overcame their traumas to lead a normal life.
My husband and I along with many of our peers will continue to support this page. Real devotees who fight for the truth are our only hope that one day we can raise children in ISKCON safely.

YF: ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) is sad that many devotees around the world are feeling like this.

SF: I personally doubt that they feel sad. They don't care is more like it. I know many devotees still want to believe the top management is adequate and benevolent; but " proof is in the pudding ".

NR: Bhakti chaitania swami has a grip on south Africa and his predecessor gbcs. Another of corruption within the management of the big south African temples.

PD: Bhakti Chaitanya swami aka Raghubir was one of the people who opposed my objecting to Jayatirtha's intoxicated and lusty behaviors while posing as an acharya. He said that Jayatirtha is an acharya because "the GBC said so." He has supported all sorts of corruption in the name of "God's successors," and evidently, that is why they voted him into the cabal. One of the victims told me, Bhakti Chaitanya swami is another person who could never get a regular job in the material world, so he made "being an ISKCON guru" his retirement career. 

AP: I can absolutely believe this

D Dasi: Raghubir has a long history of child sexual abuse but somehow or other he keeps flying under the radar and no one exposes him.

MR: Retirement career, good one. They are not ashamed admitting publicly either.

DA: All of these safron clothed people should be investigated and see how many has good bank accounts and assets. And people still bown down to them and think of the “ saintly”. Will there be one who is decent?

SF: I think they all could get job in "material world " as salesmen. Majority seem to devopled into experts. They really seem to be able to sell " Ice to Eskimos" or in our language - fog.

JS: Absolutely correct. I wonder what body Krsna will give him, for destroying the lives of so many young children, their parents, and the sincere devotees who trusted him. I know him very very well.

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"So there is derangement of the social order in the present-day world. Why? There is no head. They are all rascals. I frankly say it. Anybody may come. Any society where there is no intellectual persons or Krishna consciousness, that is a rascal society because there is no head. Either it is madman or a headless man, or dead body. If there is no brain, there is no head. If the brain is not working properly, then he's a madman. And if there is no head at all, then he's a dead man. So do you think in a dead society or in a mad society there can be any peace? No. What is peace? If the dead..., society is already dead, what do you mean by peace? And if the society is all full of madmen, then where is the question of peace?"
(Bhagavad-gita lecture, S.F., March 17, 1968)

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Krishna Kshetra swami

In some temples they now have 20 "guru photos" next to the Altar room, and they offer bhogha to these photos. This was never authorized. Srila Prabhupada personally told me, the bhogha offerings have to be done according to his standards [offering to the pure devotee first] and any changes will mean the offering is not accepted by Krishna.

Whereas Krishna Kshetra swami's people have made a contrived system of offerings to Krishna first, and that was never discussed or authorized by the acharya. Nor is that the actual system of worshiping Krishna. Krishna's pure devotee is always worshiped first of all, that is the proper system.

Some people told me they were always sick until they started to offer their bhogha to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada said to us, if we want to make friends with the big important business man, we should make friends with his dog first. Then the big man will accept our friendship. So Krishna wants to see if we are making friends with His pure devotee -- before -- He will ever accept our friendship. ys pd

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PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yes Mathura Pati's Prabhupadanuga EU folks have been promoting Bhakta das, and he has been promoting BV puri and Saint Radhanath. I think this photo is one successor to BV Puri named Sridhar Maharaja, and there is BV Bishnu and one other that I know of. 

BV Puri was in a big power struggle with some of the GBC guys. He was "re-initiating" some of the GBC disciples, saying the GBC are not qualified. And so the GBC was upset. And Bhakta das was contributing money to his program. BV Bishnu says he has accepted the post of acharya, so this whole thing is all about posing as another sin absorbing Jesus without having proper qualifications. But they all compete with one another over disciples.

Bhakta das has encouraged a lot of people, including many young people, to join this program, basically siphoning away many hundreds of from ISKCON. BV Puri was mainly compromised with various GBC gurus, and he was helping them be promoted as gurus. 

They are all part of this "living guru" process, where unqualified people pose as acharyas. One of my friends went to BV Puri and told him none of these GBC are gurus, and he pretended to agree. And while my friend was leaving his ashram, BV Puri started talking again about how "the GBC are gurus" -- which means he did not accept what my friends told him. 

BV Puri was supporting these deviations, including Saint Radhanath's, which is why Bhakta das was promoting him, and later on Mathura Pati's friends were promoting Bhakta das. They all love these bogus Jesus processes, and that is why none of them like PADA. Srila Prabhupada says there is no replacement for worshiping a pure devotee, it does not work, and Krishna will not accept it. ys pd

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UKRAINE

It turns out that the Ukrainian devotees did not listen to the GBC and paid for it.

This is what happens when you don't listen to the GBC:

"... Niranjana Swami, GBC representative in Ukraine, addressed the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) with a report on Ukraine, affected devotees and plans for the future... The National Council of ISKCON Ukraine continues to meet regularly. The last meeting was held in early March – during the ongoing conflict. At this meeting, it was decided to urge all devotees living in major cities near military installations to leave their homes and move to safer places.

All devotees were given a recommendation at the very beginning of the SMO to go to a safe place and preserve the Deities. Recommendations were given to them by well-wishers and the GBC. If these devotees have not found it in themselves to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus, then this is again a reason for you to manipulate religious tears.

But this is the free choice of people to whom the whole world was ready to give refuge so that these people would not suffer. It was their choice - not to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus - to move to a safe place.

If you had not dispersed such hatred on your part, as you are doing now, you would not have bombed a single temple. I guarantee it 108%. You are partly responsible for those deaths and destroyed temples, for the fact that the devotees did not listen to Niranjana Swami's advice to go to safety.

All the temples of the world were ready to give refuge. You will now live with this burden on your conscience. In addition, you will bear the burden of shifting your blame onto the devotees from Russia, who understood better than you where everything was going and also, out of love, asked the devotees to leave Ukraine.

There is no hatred towards Ukrainians in Russians! But among the Ukrainians it is overflowing. That’s why Ukrainians are given such rulers from above, who pour this hatred into the fire of human sacrifices. Even a sacred cow sometimes gets it if she climbs into the wrong place. We should have listened to our elders and helped the devotees leave the powder keg."

PADA: Well maybe, but first of all, many people in Ukraine are stuck where they are self evidently. No one wants to live near the front lines, but moving around is not easy, when many people lack the ability and resources to go anywhere else. The government has restricted many men from leaving the country, and the women are reluctant to go away without their men, which is understandable. And some of the refugees report being treated as a burden in the countries they fled to.

In sum, I do not think a lot of devotees wanted to stay in danger, but moving was not an easy alternative. That being said, conditions there are not getting any better anytime soon, and somehow it would be nice if more devotee folks could move out. I am not sure how that could be organized, and who would organize it etc. Nor am I sure that men who are military age would even be allowed to leave. Nor did I ever see where ISKCON was organizing a mass movement of all these people, there were some small attempts here and there. Nor could ISKCON legally move military aged men in any case.

So it is a lot of karma chakra grinding on here. People on both sides are getting hit and it is a loss for both parties. A reporter was standing in what is left of Adivka and he said there is nothing left, no one can live there anymore. And the place is littered with tens of thousands of butterfly mines everywhere, and the poor animals that remain there -- keep stepping on the mines -- and getting severely wounded as a result etc.

He said it will take decades to make this place habitable again, and he does not see that being done anytime soon. So the Russia plan is the same as always in their wars, to make the whole place uninhabitable. And that is going to take maybe centuries to get cleaned up when we consider all the residues of toxic materials everywhere, bomb residue, leaking oil tanks, exploded chemical plants with chemicals leaking all over, paint factories leaking paint into the rivers, blown up dams that has killed billions of wildlife, millions of artillery shells leaching dangerous toxins into the ground water, and all the rest of it. Saving some devotees or a temple is just not high on the priority list here. But yeah, something should be done, but can it even be done at all? ys pd 

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**Topic**-Fake News.........

Srila Prabhupada says, ''By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real.'' and, recites an interesting story....Thus predicting today's reality (fake news) in modern society.............

Prabhupada: Propaganda. It is propaganda, that's all. By propaganda, you can do any false thing you can describe. One gentleman's name was Bhagavan, and his friend conspired that "Let us make us some joke that he has become ghost." So wherever he was going, the friend: "Oh, oh, a ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost!" [laughter] "No, no, I am not ghost; I am..." "No, no. Ghost." "This man has become crazy. Why he calling me ghost? I am not ghost." Then he goes another friend, then he also says like that: "Oh, here is a ghost, here is a ghost, here is a ghost!" [laughter] Then third friend, everyone, because they have conspired. Then he began to think, "I must have become ghost. [laughter] All friends have calling me 'ghost, ghost.' " If you make propaganda, if he's not ghost, you can make him ghost. That's all. This is propaganda. This is called propaganda. By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real. That's all. This is going on. They know how to do it. They're expert, because they're cheaters. They know how to do it.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Conversation with Devotees – April 14, 1975, Hyderabad

Mathura Pati's "International Hare Krishna Movement" etc. 03 27 24

Saint Radhanath Pedo Lover's Club

PADA: Mathura Pati's new web site. 

Home - IHKM

Information in accordance with Section 5 TMG

IHKM – International Hare Krishna Movement e.V.

Friedhofstr.3

63533 Mainhausen/Mainflingen

Phone: 017628112250

E-Mail: info@ihkm.org

Jointly authorized to represent:

Mathias Jabczynski

Friedhofstr.3

63533 Mainhausen/Mainflingen

PADA: OK so Mathura Pati destroyed and discredited the Prabhupadanuga EU web site by promoting his pedophile messiah lover's club friends like -- Bhakta das, the promoter of the Gaudiya Math and Saint Radhanath. And he also promoted the HKC Jaipur guys -- who promoted Bhakta das and were citing sections of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri's diary as their authority. 

And that means Mathura Pati folks are citing books made by servants of the Mayapur pedophile regime as their authority. And Sulochana said Hari Sauri is calling us sahajiyas -- to make us targets for assassination. And Mathura Pati folks are citing exactly that complaint against me and Sulochana, that we are sahajiyas, because Mathura Pati supports the people whose program murders dissenters to his pedophile guru club. 

Anyone who objects to Mathura Pati's pedophile guru club is in danger of being taken out, and that is why his friend Prahlad said he was sending my photo to the pedophile guru club goons to have me taken out. Yup. Anyone who objects to Mathura Pati's mass child molesting regime should be branded as a sahajiya, so they can become targets for assassination. And they did have Sulochana assassinated thereby. And that is why Radhanath is their saint.  

And then Mathura Pati was citing IRM's Krishna Kanta, who wanted PADA to make a deal with Jayapataka, the leader of their pedophile regime in Mayapur. And when we ask why he supports all this, then Mathura Pati just wanders off and starts another program -- without fixing the mess he made in his previous program. I don't know how the Prabhupadanuga EU web site ever recovers from all the destruction he made there, starting with him trying to make it a site for the Hitler-anugas when he originally took it over.

And the GBC guys do this all the time, they make a huge mess and then resign, wander off, start new web sites, and just act like they did nothing wrong. Mathura Pati is clearly a sympathizer with the pedophile messiahs project, and he even says that PADA should not have stopped their molesting victims from committing suicide, because -- at least as Sulochana said -- their program has to toss children into a wood chipper to make their program work. He is not a Prabhupadanuga, and he destroyed the Prabhupadanuga EU site, and is now trying to re-invent himself somewhere else.

And that is what many ISKCON deviant leaders do, they make a huge mess, wander off, and start a new program leaving behind a giant mess for someone else to clean up. ISKCON goonda tactics 2.0. The good news is, we have been exposing the molester messiahs project and its sympathizers for such a long time, we do not think it will gain much traction at this stage. 

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PRABHUPADANUGA EU

Mathura Pati: Nobody said directly Krishnas kids are stool that is your concoction.

PADA: You are quoting Bhakta das, and he said I am writing about [i.e. ISKCON's children] "stools." And that is because -- I am telling people to worship Srila Prabhupada and not pedophiles; stop the child abuse; print original books, and address Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint, which is "stools" for all of you Prabhupadanuga EU / GBC and / or Jayapataka groupies. We got that already. The pedophile messiah lover's club has always said we are writing "fake news" etc., which is how your mass molesting regime was covered up.  

As some of your ex-children victims said -- why are people [like Prabhupadanugas EU] saying PADA is writing about us [the children] and citing Bhakta das saying PADA is writing about stools [us children]. It does not matter if you said children are stools direct or not, that is what some of your victims assume you are saying. And since we are discussing children, and you are saying it is about stools, what else would anyone conclude? 

Your hero authority Bhakta says I am always writing about stools, while he promotes the Gaudiya Matha gurus and Saint Radhanath. You guys are still promoting Saint Radhanath, and you and your HKC friends are promoting Bhakta das, which means you are still hanging out with the Kirtanananda's cheer leader groupies. Why does Prabhupadanugas EU promote the Radhanath groupies? Isn't it because you want to have your homosexual and pedophile gurus buried in samadhi? 

MATHURA PATI: He said that your main mantra of preaching is stool.

PADA: Children are being molested, Prabhupada says he is poisoned, the books are changed, and you guys say all this is stool. Same thing some of the GBC folks say. So you are covering up for the GBC by saying these issues are stools. You are serving Judas, you are covering up crimes by saying it is all stools. Why do you want to help Judas by saying these problems are not significant? 

MATHURA PATI: We all are child eating asuras etc etc. 

PADA: Your victims have been taking their lives, so your program is causing children to die one way or other. You are a child sacrifice death cult, at least as some of your victims are saying you are. Sulochana said you guys are tossing children into a wood chipper, so what difference does it make how bad or good you are creating their departures? 

But as a matter of fact, there are some people saying that you guys are an actual child sacrifice cult that drinks blood, but I did not start that story off myself. However there are some people who believe that your program is a child sacrifice program. I didn't start that idea, but it is out there for sure.

MATHURA PATI: Man …… please go to some doctor. 

PADA: We have already done that. A number of child psychology persons have been involved with your cult's victims, and they agree -- your program causes children severe trauma.

MATHURA PATI: You are such a liar and fairytale writer that’s unbelievable.

PADA: Yep, that is what pedophiles and their enablers always say, there is no molesting -- it is all fairy tales. And that is why Sulochana said you people are boot lickers for the butt busters. Sorry, this is not fairytales, because if it was, then the police, media, FEDS, courts etc. would not be able to use any of my testimony. 

I was just interviewed again, and they explained that everything I say is run through their legal department, and my testimony has already been used in police reports, FED reports, media reports, books, TV shows and etc. and all of it was tested for accuracy already. If you can prove my testimony is not accurate, go ahead. If Mathura Pati can prove any single statement we made herein is not accurate, we will fix it -- if he has any actual proof. Good luck! ys pd 

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CP: In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities LIVE TOGETHER very peacefully. "Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world."

"However, WHEN the living entity WANTS to enjoy himself,
he falls down into the material world." (SB 4.28.54)

PADA: Correct, we originated in Krishna's association.

Note:

FIRST POSITION OF THE LIVING ENTITY:

Just as it is a real fact that the conditioned living entity is now living in this material world, in the same way it is also a real fact that previously this same living entity was living together with Krsna in the spiritual world. This is the initial first position, or original position of the living entity before his fall down to the material world:

"In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities LIVE TOGETHER very peacefully.

The term original means also the first, initial. It is something that was previously existing, or still exists, but it is the first, original, initial, or beginning,
before any change. For example: the original state of the house. The original inhabitants of America etc.

SECOND POSITION OF THE LIVING ENTITY: 

But later a change of position occurred in the living entity due to his desire to be independent. This is his secondary position, which occurs after his original or first position.

"However, WHEN the living entity WANTS to enjoy himself, he FALLS DOWN into the material world." (SB 4.28.54)

So the path back home for the fallen living entity is to become Krishna conscious, where he returns to his original position, and recovers his original lost state. He returns back home, back to his original home, back to Godhead, to live again with Krsna, in the company of Krsna, as the soul was at the beginning.

"We are still far away from our ORIGINAL home." (SB 4.28.54.Translation)

"The ORIGINAL home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world." (SB 4.28.54,purport)

"When the living entity FALLS DOWN into the material world, the Supreme Lord, through His svamsa expansion (Paramātmā), keeps COMPANY with the living entity. In this way, the living entity may some day RETURN home, BACK TO Godhead."(SB 4.28.53. Purport)

SB 4.28.54. Translation:

"My dear gentle friend, both you and I are exactly like two swans. We LIVE TOGETHER in the same heart, which is just like the Mānasa Lake. Although we have been LIVING TOGETHER for many thousands of years, we are still far away from our ORIGINAL home."

Purport: The ORIGINAL home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. -- In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities LIVE TOGETHER very peacefully.

Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, WHEN the living entity WANTS to enjoy himself, he FALLS DOWN into the material world. Even while he is in that position, the Lord remains with him as the Supersoul, his intimate friend.

Because of his FORGETFULNESS , the living entity does not know that the Supreme Lord is ACCOMPANYING him as the Supersoul. In this way the living entity remains conditioned in each and every millennium.

Although the Lord follows him as a friend, the living entity, because of FORGETFUL material existence, does not RECOGNIZE Him.

Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/4/28/54

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Excerpt from a well-known letter from Srila Prabhupada (Nov. 18, 1972)- 

"If a child is trained properly in Krishna Consciousness, he will never go away. That means he must have two things, love and education. So if there is beating of child, that will be difficult for him to accept in loving spirit, and when he is old enough he may want to go away—that is the danger. So why these things are going on _ marching and chanting japa, insufficient milk, too strict enforcement of time schedules, hitting the small children? Why these things are being imposed? Why they are inventing these such new things like marching and japa like army? What can I do from such a distant place? They should run and play when they are small children, not forced to chant japa, that is not the way. So I have given you the guiding principles..."

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“THE GREAT SINISTER MOVEMENT IS WITHIN OUR SOCIETY(Cont.) 

On the other hand, we note how Srila Prabhupada spoke of Christianity, and how that may be what will happen to ISKCON as well: "Now, after taking instruction from Christ, first of all they killed Christ. That means they could not understand the instruction. Therefore their first business was to kill the instructor. And after that, two thousand years passed, still they are killing. So when they have accepted the teachings of Lord Christ?" (SPConv, 1975, Perth) 

Can we see the parallel? Hopefully this is not ISKCON’s long-term fate. ISKCON was hijacked by low-minded men who mercilessly poisoned Srila Prabhupada and conspired to sit on his seat, stealing the assets of the Movement under the unshastric theory that they were the best men to continue with the initiating of spiritual seekers and to manage the sacred mission. They initially lied that they had been appointed as successor acharyas and hoodwinked their Godbrothers into worshipping them as pure devotees.

PUT THEM IN JAIL? AND THEN ALL DONE? 

For many persons, perhaps most, when the poison matter is raised, they think in terms of obtaining justice in a mundane court of law, seeing the poisoning as simply a mundane crime that should be punished. But it should be understood that there are some issues and types of justice which lie beyond the jurisdiction of mundane courts and law. 

For example, in the court of Yamaraja (punishment after death) the poisoning of a pure devotee warrants a far heavier punishment than the poisoning of an ordinary man, whereas modern courts treat all men equally. Mundane courts do not consider animal killing a crime either, although with some rather strange exceptions for so-called “inhumane cruelty.” 

True justice will be by the laws of Manu or God, not via defective, legislated mundane arrangements. But today there are no courts administered on this planet according to Vedic culture and the laws of Manu. 

The many years since 1977 create a substantial challenge for initiating a legal case, criminal or civil, in mundane courts, but this means little to the mechanism of divine justice where every detail and action is completely recorded in the subtle ethereal Akashic record. 

Since we have no access to the Akashic record, our determinations of all person’s guilt in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada will be imperfect. Still, if some degree of mundane justice is obtained, that would be good, and we should always take advantage when the mundane society supports the cause of our transcendental mission. But there are much greater concerns at hand than just sending some poisoners to prison. We should not be so obsessed with whether the evidence we have uncovered is court admissible or whether convictions for murder can be achieved. 

If these do come about, it will be very satisfying to those who have a strong sense of mundane justice, but this will do little to put Srila Prabhupada’s mission back on the straight and narrow course that he had fought so hard to establish. The best aim is to restore the mission to its original purity.

We determined in Part 9 that Tamal was involved in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning beyond a reasonable doubt. Other living suspects must be confronted (and dead ones investigated further): “Either submit to full cooperative interviews or go away.” If those interviews determine complicity, then they must make full amends or go away. We are far more interested in the restoration of the mission than we are simply after court convictions. 

What good will it do to expel a few poisoners, then leaving the movement as it is after those poisoners corrupted and deviated it for decades? Book Two explores that subject more deeply.

Finally, anyone having any pertinent or relevant information of any sort should pass it to us. Also any constructive advise, clarifications, corrections, typos, additions, deletions are welcome. Thank you for being among Srila Prabhupada’s followers who want to establish the truth about Srila Prabhupada’s glorious disappearance pastimes and the restoration of his transcendental mission." (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories,1.701)

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HISTORY HELP NEEDED:

PADA would like to have photos of the early 1980s Laguna Beach temple. Looking for any image of the Laguna Beach temple from those days (which was just a house?) and / or images of Joe Davis, the devotee who was instrumental along with Rishabdev in running that operation. If you have anything send it to:

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PADA is crazy update

PADA: Yes HD prabhu, since 1978 our opponents have almost always called us -- crazy; offenders; persons who are destroying the sacred body of ISKCON; persons who are meditating on sex; or we are drunks; drug addicts, and worse. And this has been a complaint from all different sectors of devotees including -- GBC folks, some so-called ritvik folks, Gaudiya Matha folks, Narayan Maharaja folks -- and all the rest. 

And the result is, their curbing complaints about the regime enabled the regime to conduct more and more -- banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinating dissenters. If a whistleblower is trying to curb a corrupt regime, then the people curbing the whistleblower are helping the regime. This is just common sense.

And that is why the Berkeley police told me in 1985, "ALL of your opponents are discrediting you, which is ENABLING all these bogus gurus and their crimes" [including mass child abuse]. So it seems to a lot of ordinary people, like the police, that discrediting our complaints about -- bogus gurus, and their process -- if not policy -- of banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing dissenters is HELPING the bad guys. 

And it is a little bit like me yelling "Iceberg ahead" -- and my opponents saying, there is no iceberg, this PADA program is crazy foolishness. Oooops, then the ship hits the iceberg, and all sorts of people suffer and drown. And the ISKCON ship itself sinks into 3,000 feet of water into a bankrupted hulk. OK we told ya so!

Now at this stage, some of the people who formerly called us names have apologized and realized we -- are not -- crazy. Whereas some have doubled down, like IRM / Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU / HKC Jaipur ilk are still saying that our opposing a violent homosexual and pedophile guru process is "crazy talk" and we should have surrendered to their idea of working with the leader of the pedophile messiah's regime, and in fact the Auschwitz for kids program's leader, and a prime suspect in Prabhupada's poison complaint -- Jayapataka -- and went wandering off to the Caribbean -- "on vacation," working with their Jayapataka scheme. 

Practice promoting deviants as Krishna's gurus.

Really? Yah think? Even the karmi police, FEDS, media, courts and so on tell me, yeah, these folks really are crack pots nut-so! Hee hee. The good news is that more folks, including media folks, are agreeing with PADA's version, we cannot allow the worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs in any religion, and yes that means any religion, ours or anyone else's. And anyone who disagrees is not sane, or is corrupt, or -- as more and more folks are suggesting -- our opponents are Satanic. ys pd

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GAUDIYA MATHA UPDATE   

SD: I appreciate you took a lot of time going through my long comment! The deviance, child abuse etc in Iskcon can’t be attributed to Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers or the Gaudiya Math.

PD: Of course the Gaudiya Math folks can be blamed. They said the 11 -- including Jayatirtha -- are gurus, when JT was having an affair with a disciple, and he was offering LSD to the shalagram. Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has an affair with a disciple, it is the same as a father having s*x with his own daughter.

So the Gaudiya Matha supported the worship of these deviant, intoxicated fools [and de facto pedos] right out of the gate in 1978. And -- we become what we worship -- so they created a society of deviants, perps and pedos by creating worship of same. Of course, if we say deviants are God's direct or "shaksat hari" guru successors, it is the same as saying God is -- the same as -- a deviant.

All theists are required to oppose anyone who claims God is a deviant -- because His external manifestation representatives are as well. That is our duty to God, bare minimum. In short, saying God's successor is a deviant is the same as saying God is a deviant, and we have to oppose that -- or be implicated.

SD: And your comment about sitting back with out protest etc is like preaching to the converted! That is not my issue! And for the moment does not feature in my research! As for “envious of me being called Prabhupada I think Srila Sridhara Maharaj smoothed that out and pacified everyone so that should not be an issue!

PD: Sridhara Maharaja was ghost writing the ISKCON GBC's early papers, and he was saying they are the acharyas of the Zone and etc. and he never retracted or admitted this is all bogus -- that I know of? Worse, Sridhara Maharaja went on supporting the JT peace Krishnas and Hansadutta ongoing until much later on.

SD: But as for your example about not being your job to go lecture ... etc. Why are you overstepping your mark and telling Gaudiya Math people what to do!

PD: I should be silent and not tell the Gaudiya Matha it is wrong for them to endorse the worship of drunks, deviants, predators, pedos etc. -- who are creating mass child abuse -- as God's successors? That makes me an accomplice. No it is our duty to protect the children and oppose the enablers, sycophants, cheer leaders, accessories, hangers on, hand maidens, "advisors" "rasika gurus" etc. to a corrupt guru regime. Never mind it is our duty as humans to protect children from such odious regimes.

SD: I’m curious as Srila Prabhupada did not want us to interfere with his relationship with his God brothers!

PD: They interfered with us? So we had to counter point them. They said the 11 like Jayatirtha are acharyas, while we said he is an intoxicated fool and de facto pedo. We are right and they are not. They have no authority to defend keeping a lusty intoxicated fool in the post of Krishna's successor. And the result is that JT was terminated later on by a disgruntled disciple, which means they created a dangerous fanatical situation.

SD: Nowhere does he say go wage war against them! And I agree with you when you say you look foolish trying to advise them!

PD: They waged a war with us? They told us to go along with their pedo pooja idea, offering bhogha to pedos and so on. They have no authority to endorse and support all this.

SD: If you got saved by Srila Prabhupada consider yourself lucky! He considered himself lucky to have been saved by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, he gave thanks to Srila Sridhara Maharaj and his sannyas guru Srila Keshava Maharaj!

I’m glad you agree it’s childish to argue about titles! But it is our “siddhanta” to respect anyone who chants the Maha mantra and not throw shade on them or is it your opinion only Iskcon members deserve respect!

PD: Well anyyone who chants, and simultaneously promotes pedo pooja, pedo guru regimes, offering bhogha to pedos etc. is not chanting properly. My neighbor is an atheist, and he says there is no child mistreatment allowed in his circle of like - minded atheists, they nip it immediately. And therefore he says, us atheists are morally and compassionately more advanced than your religion. He is right. And that is because these false religionists misrepresented the religion.

SD: Once again western arrogance comes through when you say “we were calling him Prabhupada” and as for why does a great soul have to advertise. Look closer to home like you say don’t fuss with the neighbour. If the devotees in Iskcon can’t see Srila Prabhupada’s glory how you expect others to!

PD: The devotees in ISKCON compromised with the Gaudiya Matha and began to promote deviants as acharyas. ISKCON is no longer ISKCON, it is a sahajiya cult, supported by various Gaudiya Matha advisors, rasika acharyas etc.

SD: I don’t think we can say all of the Gaudiya Math have no understanding of where we came from and is it not written we are tathasta shakti and no ne falls from the spiritual world!

PD: The Gaudiya Matha preaches the Vatican idea that some "higher souls" start off as angels in heaven with God, and us poor "lesser souls" do not start with God -- and we lesser souls are thus prone to end up burning in Naraka with Satan. This is something the Vatican was preaching to me when I was 10. No, we start out with God, and now we have to go back to God. Some do not start off with God, and some minus God, prone to illusion and suffering, as the Vatican preaches. God is equal to all of His children and He does not have a bias with them.

SD: You say the Gaudiya Math guru Ananta Vasudeva. Well he was not the guru of the Gaudiya as there was a spirit remember.

PD: Yeah the spirit was to deviate and promote him -- and then a bunch of other conditioned souls as gurus, in addition to Ananta Vasudeva. Thus "in some camps the guru is being replaced three times a year."

SD: I don’t think you are aware of Schrödinger’s cat. It is only after you open the box you come to the truth!

PD: We did not have to open the box, we said these 11 are conditioned souls right from day one, square one, and they are.

SD: In this insistence you are saying we should know if the cat is dead or alive before we open box! That would fall into the realm of speculation.

PD: It was DOA before we opened it, worship of conditioned souls will fail every single time.

SD: So I pose this to you did Srila Prabhupada know his movement would be ruled by homosexuals, pedos and child molesters! So I think your arguments falls short there! Don’t be like those who say you wanted a cheating guru so Krishna gave you one in Prabhupada’s movement!

You might be interested to know Gaudiya Math is growing at an alarming rate! See whats happening in the UK They are learning how to preach in the West with great success!

In certain countries it’s the Hindus we curse and blaspheme who are supporting this movement and I’ve heard about the “Hinduisation” of Iskcon because they can’t preach to the westerners! What to do eh!

PD: All kinds of deviated gurus grow big programs, which come and go over time. Many of the big Hindu God men of the 1970s -- when we were in India -- are no longer even mentioned. Their programs were not meant to last. 

In any case, whether Prabhupada's mission lasts or doesn't -- really does not change the absolute truth. And the absolute truth is, we have to worship a pure devotee and not conditioned souls, or worship those who promote other conditioned souls as acharyas, as is the habitual process in the Gaudiya Matha. ys pd 

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Conferring "Prabhupada" Title Imbroglio 03 25 24

SD: I just wish to understand since you “ who are they to tell you..” the same cane be said about you but you say the “who am I” is not important but you Tim have made it important as throughout the decades you waged an unceasing war on them.

PD: Well that is why we had to have them sued for $400,000,000. They said that I was a bogus person and should not be listened to, so that caused thousands of children to be mistreated. It is our duty to go to war with regimes that mass mistreat children.

So does more humble than a blade of grass not apply to you!

PD: Yes, I should be humble and sit back and allow women, children, brahmanas and others to be mistreated without protest.

Just for clarification and understanding, you understand! I have never seen any authorisation from Prabhupada to call him Prabhupada and neither did he insist you call him so.

PD: Prabhupada said they are envious of me being called Prabhupada. And he told us that more than once. My neighbor's little girls call their uncle "Bappy." It is not my job to go over there and lecture those little girls about what they should or should not call their uncle. And I would look foolish to try to advise them, it is their issue and not mine. But Prabhupada is our Prabhupada since he tried to save my soul and his God brothers didn't.

We are well aware of him being called “Swami Maharaj” by his godbrothers and when he was called “Swami” by early disciples and when it changed to “Prabhupada” but he did not confer that title on himself.

PD: When Krishna was here, He was not walking around conferring titles on Himself all day long. It was self evident who He was to His devotees, and not self evident to the envious. A pure devotee is also a "Prabhupada," and that is the title he deserves, bare minimum. 

Lord Chaitanya also did not confer titles on Himself, and it is not our siddhanta that pure devotees or Krishna have to confer titles on themselves, the devotees should recognize them and give them these titles. The gopis also do not confer titles on themselves, and so on and so forth, and it is not our siddhanta that great souls are obligated to give themselves big titles.

So I can’t understand why there was no communication or vocalisation about his name change to his godbrothers!

PD: There was communication, we were calling him Prabhupada and they all knew it. But why does a great soul or Krishna have to advertise a big title to anyone? The pure devotee and Krishna are self effulgent and they do not require making big titles for themselves.

While you may say your authority is Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada many times mentioned his authority is Srila Bhaktisiddhanta who was also named Prabhupada. So I don’t know how you and the other devotees don’t see why they would get upset!

PD: Why would anyone be upset that the successor to Prabhupada is also called Prabhupada? That makes no sense at all. The successor to Prabhupada should also be called Prabhupada, and if he is not, that is defective.

As for Mulaprakriti misguiding anyone we are all guilty!

PD: No, we never told ANY children to worship the HOJO swami who was living at Howard Johnson Motels -- ordering take out pizzas -- and watching football, while thousands of children were being mistreated, and he was making horrendous Satanic art. In any case, if I lead blind people into a ditch, it is my job to go back and lead them out of there, not to just go on acting like nothing is wrong without making any public clarification and correction.

Some of those children were mortified to find out what a mess they were in later on, whereas I never put my children into that mess. I told them Prabhupada is their guru and they never had any of these mortifying experiences.

As for quotes “Srila Prabhupada said” we are not so naive to accept anything said by his disciples. You must give proof Tim!

PD: I was there when he said the God brothers are tinged with mayavada, I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Where and when was it recorded with Srila Prabhupada’s voice!

PD: Not everything was recorded and I never said everything was recorded.

So if Srila Prabhupada said we were once with Krishna he must mean “pure devotees” who are sent here to preach not meat eating woman chasing unkempt hippy who don’t know which hand to use in the loo!

PD: He said all spirit souls originated in Krishna's leela or sport, and he said we have to go "Back to Godhead" because that is where we came from. And the God brothers objected to "Back to Godhead" because they have no idea why the jeevas are created in the first place, we are created to serve Krishna, and that is our original constitutional position.

Perhaps I can quote from my book “Acid Guru” if heaven’s the way you say I’d rather go to hell and play”. As you well know Mahajanas don’t fall! And certainly we all had wicked ways before we joined!

The rest of your post is immaterial to me except you mentioned “No idea why the ladies “gurus” would be able ... when so many men who do so are suffering many reactions”.

So can you understand the reaction of Gaudiya Math members with their strict upbringing towards women ! But you find fault on both sides Tim! Wats going on here!

PD: Yes, the Gaudiya Matha's guru Ananta Vasudeva was a deviant, and they supported him as acharya because they think conditioned souls or even deviants are acharyas, and that is why they supported the 11 GBC deviants after 1978. The Gaudiya Matha had strict policy against women, but Prabhupada had to preach in a country where women and men are mixing all the time, and that is why the Gaudiya Matha could not preach successfully here. They have no practical idea how things need to be done to preach in the West. ys pd

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