PADA: Thanks for your question BD. "Maybe Nityananda is right, there are no examples of advanced Srila Prabhupada disciples. Are you yourself [PADA editor] free of sex desire"? Well that is a good question.
For starters, the Gaudiya Matha people had way more advanced backgrounds than ANY of us Westerners. Some of them were brahmanas by birth, but as we all know -- most of them fell down. Srila Prabhupada told us -- after 1936 many of them would go to the tea shops, drink tea, smoke beedis and read newspapers. Then he said -- there was evidently some wife swapping, homosexuals -- and of course many other scandals, including murders of dissenters.
So how will ANY of us hamburger brained people do better? Sheesh! Right, not such a good start as them. At the same time, I do believe at least some of the Gaudiya Matha people made some advancement, but it was rare. And so it will be even more rare in ISKCON's circles, since we started with a more fallen original stock of people. OK much more fallen.
Many of the "karmis" who look around at ISKCON just tell me -- they think there are a lot of desperate, insane, fanatical, lusty and impractical people who came to ISKCON, never mind a lot of factual criminal low lifes, predators, molesters, etc. So yep, the consensus is, the overall ISKCON group did not advance so good, or many even deteriorated due to offenses and misrepresenting the teachings. Even the karmis can see that ISKCON has largely become a sort of crazed zoo circus.
So it is going to be hard to find actually advanced people in that scenario. There are some, but not a lot. In fact there are a number of newer people who seem to have a way better understanding of the teachings than the first wave, and I seem to be working more and more with that group. The old group are clearly too set in their ways, and thus their advancement is stuck where it is now, and they will mostly die at their current state. Which is, they are mostly compromised with the imbroglio, or they participated in creating it.
And someone sent me a video of a "reunion of the old Prabhupada devotees" in UK, and they were all having saint Radhanath act as their keynote speaker, so they are stuck there on the -- Radhanath is the current ISKCON guru platform -- and will not improve for the most part.
As for me personally being free of material attachments, like sex desire -- ok my sex desire is pretty low at this stage, almost not there. But is that from Krishna giving me rasika, or because I am as old as grand daddy Moses? I can't say for sure. Then again some of my critics would say I am senile, so maybe that would make it hard for me to tell -- what is the real cause of my loss of material desires -- at all. Heh heh heh.
But yeah, lots of people my age have to take Viagra and etc. just to barely get these things moving along, and I am just not that interested in any of that -- for whatever the reason. But at the same time, my advancing or not is not going to save you when the time comes for answering to your own spiritual advancing. "The ritviks are bogus" is not the proper answer when Yamaraja asks you why you wasted your spiritual life.
OK the real problem seems to be, there are a lot of flakey devotees out there who do awful things, and thus give the religion a bad name, and make a lot of people think -- it does not work. I think it does work, but it is not something that works when it is deviated from, and especially when mixed with a pile of bad material desires. Then it not only does not work, it may make others doubt that it works.
I think that is the root of the problem with our sahajiya pals like Nityananda dasa. He lost faith in the process, and so he tried to short circuit the process -- and cut in front of the line in the process -- by going to the sahajiyas. That just makes things worse, because then Krishna is for sure not pleased with that cheating attempt of His system. OK and that is why many of the Narayan people ended up smoking pot and so on, they tried to run before they could walk, and ended up WAY behind in the race. They might not ever catch up.
And thus -- unless Krishna is pleased, no tangible progress can be made in Krishna's religion. I think I must be pleasing Krishna to some extent, because for starters, I should no longer be on this planet at all, what with all the GBC goondas coming after me for years and years.
But the Lord kept me here for a reason, and maybe the reason is, He likes my program of educating folks on all these histories etc. Or maybe not, but that is my general feeling, He has kept me going for His own purposes. In sum, Krishna chalks out the path He wants us to follow by giving the teachings of the acharya. If we don't follow it, then we have no one to blame but ourselves for our individual and collective failure.
Running off to the rasika people to find premature Love of Krishna, will end up giving us and Krishna a headache in the end, and not rasika. We need to learn to love Krishna in the right way, and for starters, with proper levels of respect. Thus, we need to approach Him very, very, very humbly, realizing our current factual status -- as the most fallen. If not, realizing we are barely above being worms in the manure, and not demand He immediately hand us a rasika prize right out of the box. That is not respectful right out of the gate, and the results will not be good, as we see over and over and over.
OK the humble approach seems to be more effective, and that has been the main problem, we have a severe shortage of humble people.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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INDRADYUMNA SWAMI CRUELTY
Testimony from a dutch lady (ACBSP) devotee living in New Mayapur when Indradyumna swami was président. I have not yet her permission to tell her name yet. Amazing true story. Yes, but not surprised at all.
I know him from New Mayapur in the 1980's and you know how he threatened me, he would drop highly pregnant me with my 2 small kids and my belongings in Paris, if I would not come to Mangal artik, while my husband was traveling as a personal servant of Bhagavan.
That meant, every day of the week I was forced to drag my 2 toddlers at 4 in the morning, through the freezing cold, being 8 months pregnant, all by myself, to Mangal artik, interrupting their sleep and putting them back to sleep on a little pillow in the middle of kirtan.
Then go home, again through the cold and again, to be back for class in time.
I mean....really?! But all that was 'normal' and accepted by everyone. Besides that I was supposed to do service all day and was criticized by Indradyumna, that I was not doing enough. As much as I liked doing service for Krsna, I was so exhausted!!!
Never was I (and others clearly) encouraged that taking care of children was the most important service a mother could do (as Srila Prabhupada clearly instructed). Meanwhile there wasn't enough money for heating in the winter in the all stone cold marble building for women and children, so they just turned it off, including the hot water. But the leaders were warm and cosy in his castle room with a fireplace.
I was still young, naive and not so strong to stand up for myself and still believed in temple 'authority'. But these authorities actually drove mothers to neglect their children in favour of other service.
You probably know at one point there was a fire in an algeco. The mother had left her child sleeping, to go to Mangal artik, as was required (who knows if she was similarly threatened). The little boy was burnt to death.
Taking care of children was a kind of in between thing. In between, morning program, chanting 16 rounds and full time service, which were all supposed to be more important. Of course now, in hindsight, I must take responsibility for my own actions, but the temple authorities played their part. To be really frank, I (and so many others) was being blackmailed and exploited in the name of devotional service.
I really don't know, if he did not recognise me when he saw me in Vrindavan (2011 / 2012) and in Australia (2015) many years later. I haven't changed that much, just a little older, so he should have. Anyway, he totally ignores me... which I do not really mind, because I ignore him as well.
He is conditioned to like women too much. As far as I know, a man being attached to women, makes him come back as a woman. Maybe THEN he will understand.
Some devotees try to make up some soap opera story, that he compensates for leaving his son at a young age (which doesn’t seem right to me to begin with), by giving extra attention to (especially) young girls, to make them feel so called secure in life and all sorts of other nonsensical explanations, as if that would be some kind of noble intention on his part.
If compensating would indeed be an issue, he should not be a sanyasi, because that does not belong in this ashrama. Even as a married man, one does not behave like that with OTHER girls, but only with one's own daughter or grand daughter (or sons, for that matter). And even then there are some rules according to age of the child, because Maya is very strong.
Even great personalities in Srimad Bhagavatam have fallen for their own daughter, just to show and warn us how strong she really is. Indradyumna’s behaviour is improper and blatantly arrogant, no matter how people try to justify it. He has been getting away with this for far too long. I guess no one ever dared to call him out about it, or if they did, he has ignored them.
It has sort of been 'normalised' in ISKCON and has become part of his identity within ISKCON, but it is NOT right and we all know it. It is all very simple really.
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PADA: Wow. Someone found an old article I wrote maybe 15 years ago, they just now discovered the PADA message and reposted it on social medias, although he spiced it up a bit with his own editing, obviously because he is really fried he got cheated. It is waking up one person at a time here, and there, but we are making good progress. ys pd
ARE ALL THE DISCIPLES OF ISKCONS’ SELF-APPOINTED GURU’S ALSO BOGUS, OR JUST IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH? AS I WAS, WHEN I WAS INITIATED IN 2015.
PADA: In late 1977, just after Srila Prabhupada's (UNTIMELY DEPARTURE?), the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON declared that eleven GBC had been "appointed by Srila Prabhupada as his guru successors." However, many of us (the rank and file members of ISKCON) doubted this "GURU APPOINTMENT" from the outset, since Srila Prabhupada had said that "GURU BY APPOINTMENT" was a bogus misconception found in the 1930s GAUDIYA MATH. He also said that guru cannot be made by "RUBBER STAMPING" a defective person, and so on and so forth.
One of the original 1977 "contentious questions" was, for example: "Where is the specific evidence that eleven GBCs have been appointed as gurus"? We were told, quite FORCEFULLY and MILITANTLY at that time, that the eleven gurus had been appointed on May 28th, 1977. However, to date no one from the GBC has ever even shown where any gurus had ever been "appointed," nor has the GBC answered this question with a solid document of proof in DECADES.
Instead, many GBCs and even some of the eleven so-called "appointed gurus" have subsequently admitted that the "May 28th appointment of eleven gurus" announcement in November 1977, was and is a FRAUD and a HOAX. The GBC has thus never shown how "the eleven" were meant to to become recognized as gurus in the first place? In short, the original "APPOINTMENT of GURUS" formula was simply a "Big Lie."
Tamal Krishna, the MASTER MIND of that bogus guru system, admitted in the Topanga Canyon conversations that Srila Prabhupada never appointed any GURUS, only RITVIKS. And worse, many other subsequent GBC lies have been discovered such as:
that SRIDHARA MAHARAJA had been appointed as ISKCON's Instructing Guru, that the GBC was supposed to take shelter of the founder of the HOMOSEXUAL and DISSIDENT murdering mayhem of the GAUDIYA MATH, and so on and so forth.
Srila Prabhupada repeatedly instructed his disciples not to associate with his godbrothers, but these deviants DISOBEYED Srila Prabhupada anyway.
Of course, this history has never been explained either? Who authorized the GBC to go to the Gaudiya Matha starting in 1978 for "ADVICE"? When did Srila Prabhupada say that the founder of the dissident MURDERING GURU imbroglio, who is credited by Srila Prabhupada with DESTROYING the Gaudiya Matha (SRIDHARA MAHARAJA), was now going to be catapulted forward as "ISKCON's Higher Authority"?
Of course, this history has never been explained either? Who authorized the GBC to go to the Gaudiya Matha starting in 1978 for "ADVICE"? When did Srila Prabhupada say that the founder of the dissident MURDERING GURU imbroglio, who is credited by Srila Prabhupada with DESTROYING the Gaudiya Matha (SRIDHARA MAHARAJA), was now going to be catapulted forward as "ISKCON's Higher Authority"?
And in so doing didn't the GBC officially link themselves to "guru contentions" such as; the previous BOGUS 1930s Guru Appointment imbroglio and: the idea that HOMOSEXUALS and dissident MURDERING ORCHESTRATORS are or were Vaishnava acharyas?
The Gaudiya Matha's imbroglio is indeed itself a LONG and DARK history, going back to what Srila Prabhupada says was their "KILL GURU and BECOME GURU" mentality from the 1930s --and dating back vast ages ago when FALSE GURUS first appeared. These links remain up till today, since the GBC's main 1978 papers were created by SRIDHARA MAHARAJA of the Gaudiya Matha, and to date these papers are still considered as BONA-FIDE parts and parcels of authoritative GBC DOCUMENTS.
The damage these MURDERING THIEVES and DEVIANTS have done to Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, and the MISERY they have caused to Srila Prabhupada's sincere disciples makes my blood boil. My consolation is that there is no escape from Krishna's Justice.
To sum, the bogus guru appointment illegally consolidated the control of the assets of ISKCON. Therefore, the post-1977 leaders, most of whom were now officially advocate DIVIANT GURUS, were able to legally remove most of the other rank and file followers to create their MOLESTER worship enterprise. This is also a MIS-USE of the charity status of ISKCON.
At the earlier point in time the evidence for the alleged appointment, and indeed Srila Prabhupada's Poisoning, was being HIDDEN and SUPPRESSED. As it turns out there is no evidence of any appointment of eleven successors. The GBC even REFUSED to accept a public challenge made in the Vrindavana India newspapers, offering anyone 108,000 dollars who could provide any factual evidence of this alleged appointment.
What is also well known is that the GBC leaders had a history all along, even before 1977, of vicious internal "ZONAL TAKEOVER WARS"; which they learned from SRIDHARA MAHARAJA, mismanagement in general; mis-citing Srila Prabhupada; embezzling funds; engaging in illicit sex among some sannyasis; what Srila Prabhupada called "PLOTTING AND SCHEMING"; and of course some of the leaders were known to have tendencies towards HOMOSEXUALITY and CRIMINALITY.
Much of this information is detailed in Srila Prabhupada's letters, which were mysteriously hidden from the devotees especially after 1977.
Indeed, those of us who later tried to publish "the letters" were given DEATH THREATS by Governing Body Commission leaders in 1984, and our associate Steve Bryant (SULOCHAN) was murdered on May 22, 1986 for publishing and distributing the letters. The Berkeley police said the GBC had a "hit list."
What has never been explained by the GBC is: "Why would Srila Prabhupada insist that persons with known defects had suddenly become worshipped 'as pure as Jesus'"?
What has never been explained by the GBC is: "Why would Srila Prabhupada insist that persons with known defects had suddenly become worshipped 'as pure as Jesus'"?
Anyway, as has been subsequently analyzed, this "guru appointment" was merely a ruse used by some deviant "Governing Body Commission" members to consolidate "legal and financial" control over the ASSETS of ISKCON, from where they could legally remove most of the other rank and file devotees and enjoy the assets of ISKCON. Indeed, more than ninety percent of the original followers are no longer in the institution.
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