Mukunda UK (Mark Whiteley) has correctly stated that we share karma with the people we support and advertise. A somewhat regular media outlet recently made an article about how Mukunda UK is a "Krishna devotee" supporter of all sorts of apparent anti-Zionist / pro-Nazi web sites and articles, including some site about how the so-called Goyims (those not in the house of Israel) who are being exploited and taken over and etc.
And this news article is quoting direct from Mukunda's site. So in our opinion he and his allies are "sharing in the karma" of giving Krishna a bad name by linking Krishna to Hitler and various other highly unpopular "race baiting" agendas etc. Of course, he has already been banned from various sites for his "offensive materials." Right, even so-called karmis think he has a "race war" based agenda, because he is in mundane bodily identity.
Meanwhile! Hitler is never -- ever -- going to become popular. And it is just making the Krishna religion look silly, race baiting, if not dangerous for linking Krishna to being an alleged supporter of Hitler. Various younger devotees we know of are saying that Mukunda's making Krishna into an alleged supporter of the Nazis is making them feel depressed, ashamed and embarrassed for the religion. And that is why Srila Prabhupada said his devotees should not read about -- or discuss -- Hitler.
"But anyone who is specifically favored by the Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead, due to unalloyed surrender unto the service of the Lord, can overcome the insurmountable ocean of illusion and can understand the Lord. But those who are attached to this body, which is meant to be eaten at the end by dogs and jackals, cannot do so." SB 2-7-42
Did we forget to mention that probably most of the people Mukunda promotes and advertises are people who eat meat -- if not hamburgers and etc.? For example he just now advertised a site (probably run by meat eaters) quoting a bunch of (probably meat eating) doctors. And they are evidently saying this virus does not come from China's meat markets -- and their mass meat factory farming program, this virus was engineered in a lab by humans.
Right, so meat eating is NOT the problem. This "human engineered virus" idea is a handy smokescreen to cover for the factory farming and animal slaughter markets. Why of course, the meat eating process is innocent! Yes, these animal to human virus problems, going on for centuries, are not THE REAL problem. Some scientists are making these plagues! Who knew! So this is all an excuse to keep the meat eating process validated and going along. These virus plagues have another cause other than the meat eating / factory farming / China meat markets etc.
Of course!
So this is the favorite argument of the animal killer meat eaters, this plague (and maybe many other plagues) do not coming from humans and their eating meat process. However, we already have had a number of "animal to human" plagues, actually for centuries. There is no clear evidence that this current plague -- or any other similar plague -- are not from animal to human transmission, again -- just as various other plagues have been going on for centuries. So we are quoting the apologists for the meat eating program, to what end? How will that help things?
Anyway, according to Mukunda we share the karma of those we promote, and he is promoting all these meat eating / cow killer / Illuminati / white supremacist / meat eating apologist / speculating folks and their sites and ideas -- all the time. So if we want to get actual knowledge, we need to listen to Mukunda's pals -- from the cow killers and abortion approving society. Did we also forget to mention that Srila Prabhupada says, as long as people eat meat and participate in abortions etc. there will be conflicts, international friction and wars ... no matter what?
Why is Mukunda always advertising these cow chopping and chomping people -- as people we need to listen to -- even for the devotees? Why not address the root issues, these people are acting sinfully -- and so there will be a karma reaction whether it is wars, plagues, droughts, famine, pestilence, bankrupted currency, earthquakes, floods, etc.
Unfortunately there are also other devotees sending me links to similar "karmi" web sites, which are at best speculation. And which are at worst, creating unrequired paranoid delusions, or even -- covering by smoke screen the meat eating process and its inherent evil results. Yes meat eating does not cause these plagues, that helps cover up for -- and thus enable -- the meat eating process.
Mukunda also advertises other mundane karmi sites that show all sorts of guys with guns, dressed as military warriors, who are basically "white race" folks waiting for the "brown folks" to invade their town. Lots of fear, paranoid delusions, and no small amount of bodily identification going on here. So we are going to eat hamburgers and have an abortion society, and we are going to fix our troubles by -- being well armed?
When the inevitable war / invasion comes, we will be able to shoot our way out of trouble, sort of like my neighbor's kids are always doing when they shoot their way out of invading evil doers in video games. Right, but will this work in real life?
Not so much? Karma catches up to people no matter how "well prepared" they are. So this "preparation" is really a smoke screen to allow the hamburger and abortion process to continue, and we will fix the resulting bad karma -- with a lot of guns. Meanwhile the society is actually being overrun with the virus, and all of their "preparation" actions are not fixing anything, their karma is still acting.
Mukunda also rambles on and on about ANTIFA, which evidently has no actual leaders because none of the actual leaders are ever even identified. Its really an idea, not really a structured process. Just like the so-called ritviks, there really is no actual leader, its an idea and various people either like it or not. Mukunda has had the same problem identifying the leaders of the Illuminati that he is also fighting.
If the Illuminati is some illegal program, lets sue the leaders.
Ooops, he does not sue them because he cannot even tell us who the leaders are? So we are sort of fighting a phantom operation with no named leaders, headquarters etc. So this is how a lot of devotees allowed the child molesting to go on, they told me and Sulochana that the ISKCON problem is being caused by the Illuminati, which has no named leaders, headquarters and etc. So we need to fight the Illuminati, a sort of phantom operation. OK its another smoke screen to allow bad things to continue while fighting something that cannot even be proven to exist as an entity?
Of course, assuming that Mukunda is about to be taken prisoner by a giant racial war, what is this guy going to do anyway -- run out of his apartment and take down the mass of invaders with a kitchen knife? He is a hero in his own mind really. He is fighting the war that, if it ever did happen, he would be one of the first to be taken down because the invaders would consider him to be a useless arrogant punk. Sort of like what happens to arrogant people in prison, they get taken down first, because that attitude is not appreciated.
In any case, telling people to prepare for the up and coming "race war" is simply trying to tell people how important their material body is, and how it needs to be protected. Of course since Mukunda says the brown body folks are dangerous, then what happens to his readers -- if they happen to have a brown body? They will think the Krishna religion is biased against certain types of bodies, when in reality the Krishna religion is in favor of helping all souls in all types of bodies. And how will the brown bodied people "prepare" for the take over by the other brown bodied people, hee hee, what a joke.
So Mukunda is alienating huge sectors of the people on the planet from participating in the Krishna religion, by saying the non-Caucasians are more or less dangerous demons who want to take over your city and steal your granola cereal. Srila Prabhupada never talked like that, meanwhile Srila Prabhupada himself has come from a country full of people with a brown body. So the brown bodied people are dangerous demons, and Srila Prabhupada is one of them? Or what?
Anyway! There is no ultimate protection for the material body, it is (as Srila Prabhupada often states) -- doomed to be eaten by jackals and dogs:
And the above mentioned news article is amazed that a so-called Hare Krishna devotee would be associated with promoting these race war / Nazi lovers / mundane wranglers / which have sometimes been called "race war mongers" "hate groups" etc. In any case, Mukunda's materials are mostly based on mundane speculation / material bodily identification / identifying a person's family of birth / racial connection / national identity and etc. According to Srila Prabhupada, these things are all illusions.
When this all started we told Mukunda's boot lickers like Janardan / Sanat / Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) / HKC Jaipur folks -- who were all cramming forward and promoting Mukunda's sites at the time -- that this whole Illuminati / Zionist bankers etc. program is going to create a bad impression of the Krishna religion. And Prahlad das told me he loves Mukunda's anti-Zionism agenda because "it gets lots of hits on youtube." Umm, and so do bikini contest videos?
Anyway, we randomly Googled one of the "Doomsday cult" people Mukunda promotes. And this fellow says we all need to buy a rifle -- and start practicing how to shoot rabbits, so when the collapse comes, we will know how to shoot animals and eat them. OK so Mukunda himself says, we are implicated in the karma of the people we promote. And he promotes -- shooting rabbits to eat them? Why is that the way forward?
If it comes down to me eating a rabbit, or dying, I'll just die. Thanks very much anyway!
And thus Mukunda himself promotes: a variety of animal eaters, cow killers, persons in the abortion culture, speculative doctors (who are also meat eaters), apologists for China's meat culture, and did we forget to mention -- people who tell us to go out and shoot rabbits and eat them? And never mind he promotes people who are thinking the Caucasian culture (meat eating) is superior to the brown skinned culture (vegetarian Krishna devotees in India).
In short, he is fighting with -- himself. If promoting bad people implicates us in their karma, all of these people he is promoting have bad karma, and he is -- according to himself -- wrapped up in their karma because he advertises for them ALL THE TIME. And Srila Prabhupada says these mundane people who are in mundane bodily consciousness -- are in animal consciousness -- and they will take future birth as animals.
Why would we be promoting any such persons, unless, we wanted to drag the mass of public down into bodily consciousness, and help them take their next birth as cock roaches, rats, cats, dogs, mice, flies, fleas, worms in stools etc.?
So Mukunda is right, we are implicated in what we promote. And he promotes making Krishna look bad by linking Krishna to so many awful things no one can even count them, including, shooting at rabbits so we can eat them. How is this going to attract people to Krishna?
A devotee says -- Mukunda is the same "bait and switch" as the GBC. "Listen to Prabhupada," but then when you go there, instead we have to listen to his cow munching and abortion program pals. And the GBC has us listen to their bogus scamster folks. That is why some devotees are saying to PADA Mukunda UK is a million times worse than the GBC. At least the GBC are not promoting us to listen to the cow chopping and race baiter folks.
Anyway we have asked about all this repeatedly, and we get no sensible replies. ys pd
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LD: First the Illuminati entered ISKCON. Then the Nazi skin heads entered. The skin heads came to fight the Illuminati. Either another battle of Kurukshetra? -- or very foolish people ... who think they are WAY more important ... than they really are.
ReplyDeleteMukunda will save us! He is fighting the serpent demon's race for us. He is taking the fight to ... the Illuminati aliens ... and bravely! All by himself -- all done from his little cubby hole in a closet in an apartment. Thanks God ... for he is saving us! Otherwise ... we'd all be made into computer chip's vaccine zombies by now.
I really like the part where you say ... if I have to eat rabbits ... let me die. Hysterical. Amazing how these people take themselves so serious. Everyone else thinks ... this is a terrible scam ... giving Krishna a terrible name ... all so he can make himself look important.
Mukunda is worse than GBC. Adverts for shooting rabbits to eat them? Even GBC has enough sense ... not to buy into that or promote it. He is our one man savior ... of the rabbit's shooting program? He just wants attention ... its a big ego thing. He holds on to Hitler's coat tails ... because Hitler is a famous person ... just like the GBC tries to hold on to Krishna. Supposedly. Its all for show. They are self promoter and they are using Hitler's or Krishna's names to make themselves look important. It is all pretty disgusting really.
M Dasi. Hitler ruined his society ... most of his own men died. Using boy soldiers at the end. Made a burning funeral fire from a modern society. We have to beware ... some psychos posing as Krishna's devotees. All Hitler's death and burning cities and suffering is ... good success. Women are raped ... people are praying they should have died ... because survivors are suffering too much. And Mukunda? This is Vaikuntha wonderful. Dangerous psycho ... and so are his friends who support this. Krishna wants the demons glorified? Same as ... GBC idea?
ReplyDeleteDemons take delight at the suffering of others. Bhagavad Gita says ... demons love horrible things that destroy the people ... like wars ... they love to see people suffer ... be homeless ... and be killed and destroyed. Isn't that what GBC gurus did to our ISKCON? They destroyed the people. So many of us in ISKCON suffered ... just like Hitler's people suffered. Srila Prabhupada says the demon people still worship Hitler. Mukunda is only mad he could not be another Hitler ... or GBC guru ... and ruin the lives of many other people. And make others suffer and die. It is horrible that Mukunda is making Krishna appear a supporter of these demon leaders ... like Hitler ... and news people are finding that out. He is making whole life to make Krishna a Hitler supporter demon. Can't wait for all of them all to go to meet their friends ... like Hitler ... on the planets they are on now. Who causes cities to burn down with death and suffering is a saint. He is like the GBC ... only worse.
Mukunda also knows he is making many devotees suffer because they have to explain ... why Hitler is the person we worship ... thanks to Mukunda. He is trying to ruin our preaching. And that is called ... demoniac. These people are very dark, and that is why they are attracted to the dark. I think we need to expose these frauds ... they are making Krishna into a demon and we should protest.
GD: RE Mukunda (Hitleranugas) UK Is Right This Time! When making a deep-check of his website by entering "site: prabhupada.org.uk Hitler Jews" into Google (without quotation marks) it appears that this will not end well. Was Mukunda in a mental home before becoming a devotee? On the European mainland, he would be in jail already. European devotees are put into trouble, of course, the whole ISKCON movement is already more or less dead in Western Europe. No new temples or farms since 1977. So Prabhupada's idea of "They should make their temple in Germany even more important than the one in Los Angeles" was killed. What is Germany today, all the key functions in that country of politics, industry, economy, culture, official church, are now managed by people who originally are from Eastern Europe. But the ISKCON leaders think that Germany is where all the Nazis live. That is why nobody goes there to preach. Actually, 40 million Germans live in the US, current Germany is rather another Balkan state. So Dinasharana's program is to buy medieval patriarchal buildings and after some time sell them for a better price. Bas. Preaching complete. GBC is satisfied with that.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yes, ISKCON is not preaching very well in Europe. It looks like a lot of Hindu programs headed by Bhaktivedanta manor. The gardener in Belgium made a huge nice garden, then he had to leave for three years. When he came back -- his garden was a giant overgrown weed patch. They cannot even maintain a garden, never mind a big farm project. Prem Proyojana (Narayan Maharaja) made a big program in Germany -- and so it looks like his program is doing more than many of the big GBC guru guys.
As for Mukunda, he is mentally ill for sure. He has delusions of grandeur. He thinks everyone is going to rally around his plan for making the "white bodies" master race of Hitler. He will get an army of skin head "white body people" with a bunch of guns, and go take down the awful "brown body" people. In UK the "brown body" folks are mostly from India. He wants to eliminate the "brown" people, many of whom are in sympathy with Krishna's worship?
He is basically a white supremacist skin head who has hijacked Krishna to incorporate God into his plan to make the Caucasians the master race -- which is of course the Hitler idea. Hence: his worship of Hitler.
None of this has any connection to Krishna or Srila Prabhupada. So the GBC hijacked Krishna for their foolish schemes, and the Hitleranugas have hijacked Krishna for the master race scheme. So this is nicely described in shastra. The demons will mis-use Krishna and His Vedas (veda vada rata) to fulfill their demoniac schemes. And then these false religionists will be cast into hell for hijacking the Vedas for their personal gain. The good news is Mukunda knows he is headed to hell. He himself says that we are bound with karma for those we promote and thus he promotes the demons, racist clowns, meat eaters, apologists for meat eaters, abortions society "experts," and even people who advocate hunting and eating rabbits. And Srila Prabhupada says Hitler is in bodily identity cats and dogs consciousness. He is with that society and he is trying to link Krishna to that society, which is what demons always do, they try to justify their evil by saying it is all God's plan and desire. Yep, GBC does the same thing for their scheme.
One woman wrote to tell me, Mukunda lost my interest when I found out ... he advocates people who are hunting and eating rabbits. Rabbits are my favorite animals! He is going to get lots of bad karma for promoting this, and we agreed with this lady. ys pd
RM: "White people" band together! Destroy "black people"! Oh sorry! It is same what happens when Krishna appears. Krishna is blackish color! All the non-blackish people wanted to kill Him. Do these people ever study the Vedas? They are dumb as rocks. Krishna is blackish. We need not fight the blackish people. We worship the blackish person. These people take a lot of drugs, or they are just stupid.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who reads about Krishna knows ... we do not start a war because of ... color of people's bodies. Cats and dogs. Hitler is about as popular as ... used toilet paper. And so are his followers. I can't believe anyone would want to paint Hitler into a Krishna devotee. This is very offensive to Krishna. And stupid.
PADA: The whole Illuminati argument is not even new. Some devotees told me and Sulochana that ISKCON is controlled by the Illuminati way back in the mid 1980s, and we discussed that. Sulochana said, these guys cannot remove a few homosexuals from sitting in huge seats in their temples, and they are going to take down the whole so-called international Zionist banking system? This is a diversion. Moreover he said it would make us look like foolish conspiracy crack pots to promote this stuff. So Mukunda claims to be following Sulochana, he is not. Never mind Srila Prabhupada said we should not discuss Hitler. ys pd
ReplyDeletePADA: Took Diksha from Hitler?
ReplyDeleteTH: "Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas “Jnanam jneyam jnana-gamyam.” (BG 13.18)
Your ever well wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami“
How did Mukunda Dasa became awakened through Hitlers Vani? “My Hitler diksa came from Prabhupada through his various quotes about him been a good man etc. which i heard years and years ago maybe as far back as 1994 then Dennis Wise totally filled me in on the truths Prabhupada spoke.” (Email Exchange 25.11.2019)