Bhima Karma -- New Vrndavana / ISKCON Guru Speaks / Tulsi Arotike VIDEO 03 30 24

Krishna teaches proper child care --

by posing as one Himself.

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 “Growing up at New Vrindavan – Uncovering ISKCON’s dark past”

PODCAST: Episode 117 – Monday 1st April 2024

We’re pleased to welcome Bhima-Karma Prabhu as our guest on this week’s podcast. Raised in the Hare Krishna movement, he spent much of his childhood at New Vrindavan – an ISKCON farm community based in West Virginia, USA.
It was there that he was witness to – and experienced – some of the most horrific crimes.

A victim of systemic child abuse over many years, Bhima shares with us his story. This is one that every devotee needs to hear. As well as the physical and sexual abuse that he experienced, he talks about the murder of his father, and deaths of his two brothers – one from being locked in a freezer at the other from alcohol poisoning.

As a child, Bhima was a victim to the paedophilic regime run by ISKCON. Despite that, he now uses his experiences of the past to help and support others today who are dealing with trauma and abuse. A trauma therapist, healer and musician, he has established the worldwide Mridanga Sampradaya – a global foundation to educate, teach and inspire others about the glory of kirtan.

“Throughout this life, Sri Mridanga has been my spiritual connection, practice and offering. Taking shelter of the Vedic traditions, I guide students in exploring mridanga as an expression and development of our essential nature,” said Bhima.
For more details, visit www.mridanga.com

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PADA: Yep, bad things happened to a lot of children. For that matter, a lot of bad things happened to a lot of adults as well. One of our friends died of alcohol poison, he was drinking Vodka for days on end. Needless to say, this had devastating consequences for his family members. 

A female ex-ISKCON child said -- when she was just a young teen aged kid -- her parents "dumped her at an ISKCON temple -- and left to go to India for some rasika classes, and they never returned." No plan was ever made to have this child cared for, and it was only luck one ex-ISKCON lady took her in and cared for her. 

That care taker lady had divorced her ISKCON husband because he was too much of an imperious leader type, so it was truly Krishna's mercy that this young lady got some shelter. It looks to me like more than a few people went out seeking rasika, and they neglected their practical affairs, or even their own children.

Someone asked me if Mathura Pati was recently promoting Bhakta das, and he was. He was telling me that Bhakta das is correct, PADA is always "writing about stools." OK "stool" topics for them are: -- ISKCON's children, Srila Prabhupada's changed books, and Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint. 

This is all "stools" for these GBC sympathy people, who are still crying like little babies that we did not surrender to their plan to have me run off with Jayapataka to the Caribbean. Boo hoo!, gimme a kleenex already.

And Bhakta das said I was making offenses to Saint Radhanath. Well I am sorry to report this, but confidence in Bhakta das and his Saint Radhanath is about zero among our associates. People should view Bhima Karma's story -- if they want to know what happened to some of the victims under their Saint Radhanath process. So yeah, Mathura Pati's program will be another program where people find out about something about Krishna, to some extent, and then they find our sites. So it all works out in the end. 

We keep getting more contacts all the time, mostly people who come from other programs. We just got another guy recently, he said he was booted out over and over from his ISKCON temple, and they made up stuff about him to discredit him etc. And the new Hindu managers "are mean and racists." OK. Sounds typical.

Someone sent me the preaching schedule of BV Bishnu and said -- see, you need a living person! OK but he is only staying here and there for a few days, and that means the main connection people will have is with local people in any case. 

Which means the local people are acting as ritviks or representatives. Sorry, the local GBC guru guy here also comes to visit for maybe one day every year -- to initiate a few people --- then he flies back to India. The main connection people have is with local people, or people who Zoom call with people like us, and so on and so forth. 

A person who visits here and there is not able to give day to day living guidance, the local people will be doing that in the main. That means they will also have a ritvik type system. Anyway, we keep getting more folks on board, and more victims coming out with their stories, so the truth will prevail eventually.

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SAINT RADHANATH's PROGRAM

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FROM A RECENT 2024 VIDEO WITH AN ISKCON GURU: 

“After Srila Prabhupada’s departure there was a great deal of angst amongst the leaders of Iskcon. Again as I was serving as a bramachari in those days, a young man, my elders, who were maybe five to ten years older than I, had a great deal of weight placed on their shoulders. So again, in 1978, after the first Mayapur festival after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, the GBC gathered and was debating what to do next. I honestly had the impression, I was serving Satsvarupa Maharaja as the assistant secretary at that time, and I could see from the GBC meetings as he was returning, there was a great deal of uncertainty on how to proceed. 

It was like these young men had this tremendous weight placed on their shoulders and they really didn’t know what to do. So there was a debate in the GBC whether or not to consult one of Prabhupada’s Godbrothers, one of his supportive and close Godbrothers. Some people were against it and said the GBC’s responsible and should figure it out themselves. But others said no, we need guidance, so that side prevailed.”

He states he “honestly had the impression.” That’s reasonable, considering his position at that time. I’m sure others also had that impression. But now so much has been uncovered and must be considered to reach the correct conclusion:

“The GBC told Srila Prabhupada that everything was clear to them on Oct. 18, 1977, so then why did they go to a Gaudiya Matha advisor in March of 1978 and take advice on the initiation issue?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.532)

Srila Prabhupada spoke with many times about his frustration with the Gaudiya Math, and how things went awry due to his Godbrother’s actions after the departure of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada. He certainly would not leave his disciples without any guidance as to how to proceed after his departure. This is ludicrous. He also would make sure his disciples were ABSOLUTELY CLEAR on his instructions so that they needed no management guidance from his Godbrothers.

“As he sat up, he said suddenly, “Anything to ask before I depart?” Tamal answered quickly: “No, you have already told us everything.” (Hari Sauri’s unpublished diary, p. 18)

“Srila Prabhupada replied, ‘Don’t pray for me. I have to go.’ Then he asked TKG if there were any further questions that had to be asked. The answer was ‘No, you’ve answered them all.’ (ISKCON in the 1970’s, Satsvarupa, p. 323)

Why not simply follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions? Srila Prabhupada had given the GBC “The Direction Of Management”, the “July 9th letter”, and his “Last Will”. These well-laid-out official signed documents in regard to managing Iskcon should have answered all their questions. He had been training them for years to manage after his departure.

“I am getting old, 75 years old, therefore at any time I may be out of the scene, therefore I think it is necessary to give instruction to my disciples how they shall manage the whole institution.” (from Srila Prabhupada’s Direction Of Management 7/28/70)

“I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. So if instead of taking the training, if in my lifetime you people [my senior disciples] say, ‘I am the Lord of all I survey,’ that is dangerous conspiracy.” (Srila Prabhupada 10/8/74)

“The system of management will continue as it is now and there is no need of any change.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will 6/6/77)

“Recently when all the GBC members were in Vrindavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that He would soon appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “Rtvik”- Representative of the Acharya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first and second initiation……Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple…….The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative.….. .” (July 9th letter, 1977)

“Prabhupada was very deliberate and careful to formulate such policies on paper with signatures. Prabhupada was very businesslike and did not do things whimsically or carelessly.”(Hansadutta dasa 6/17/93)

Where is the document or where did Srila Prabhupada say that these 11 officiating acharyas become guru's after He departs? There isn't any signed document. Even TKG said in Topanga Canyon that Srila Prabhupada never appointed gurus: 

“Actually Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He appointed 11 ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we (fraudulently) interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus.” (Tamal Krishna Goswami’s Pyramid House Confessions 12/3/80)

“There was no past precedence for a multi guru system. Srila Prabhupada gave no instruction on how multiple gurus were to fit into Iskcon. Also no past Acharyas had ever selected multiple successors who were all to act as gurus within one and same ashram or ashram organization. And especially when the previous acharya had set up an ultimate authority (the GBC in Iskcon) for that ashram organization.” (Ameyatma dasa Ritvik Analysis)

“In March 1978 the GBC then claimed (see Part 11), without evidence and without showing the July 9 Letter, that Srila Prabhupada had appointed the temporary ritviks as full successor acharyas, a fraud possible only because many tapes and letters were hidden or missing. After concealing Srila Prabhupada’s instructions for future gurus and initiations, Tamal and cohorts were free to claim what they wanted. They and the GBC (of which they were the majority controller) simply announced Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as the new initiating gurus. With today’s information so readily available due to the amazing facilitation of the internet, it is hard to imagine how printed materials, cassette tapes, mailed letters, telegrams, and landline phones were the modes of communication in 1977. This explains how “the eleven” concealed Srila Prabhupada’s vital instructions from the devotee community for so long.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.338)

“…..But by mid-1977 it became clear to the ambitious disciples that Srila Prabhupada wanted to do what his guru had done, namely that a body of commissioners would manage what he had put in place. No person or persons were to become ISKCON acharya. All information relating to the Final Order had to be erased, concealed, modified, re-interpreted. Srila Prabhupada was quarantined. No letters in or out, no visitors except those approved and monitored, and “contradictory” taped conversations and instructions were disappeared or concealed…..” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.427)

“(1) Why was the so-called guru selection or 'appointment' not announced by Srila Prabhupada himself during his manifest presence? (2) Why did the GBC or the eleven “appointees” not announce publicly the appointment of gurus before Srila Prabhupada departed in Nov. 1977, or at least immediately afterwards, and why did they wait until the end of March 1978, remaining silent for over 4 months? (3) Did the GBC wait until after Srila Prabhupada's departure to publicly announce the new gurus so they would not be corrected by Srila Prabhupada?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.538)