Can ISKCON's Insiders and Lifers -- Fix ISKCON? 03 15 24

PADA: There are some people who doubt that these "ISKCON grief counsellors" "ISKCON insiders" "ISKCON lifers" can fix the problems going on inside ISKCON. Some people have challenged that these folks are "not qualified" to deal with trauma. And others have said they are "a circus" that is trying to make a show that something is being done -- when little or not much is being done. Some say it is worse, it is window dressing, it looks like something is being done, when it really isn't. 

It seems to me that a lot of trouble is still going on in places like Mayapur and not much is factually being fixed. At the same time, these women are probably sincere, and trying to do something, and that is a good idea in that -- at least trauma is being acknowledged. But that begs the question, where are the men leaders, those who should be in the driver's seat, and not -- these ladies. And, did these "ISKCON men leaders" create a lot of the trauma these ladies are now trying to fix? ys pd

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PADA: Most ordinary Joe six pack people walking down the street already know, with no special trauma training whatsoever, that all children need good food, clothes, shoes, medical care, warm water for their bathing, a caring and protected environment, and a good educational curriculum etc. And if the teachers turn out to be violent, predators or enablers of predators, these bad adults need to be charged and arrested forthwith. No questions asked. 

And if the children getting out of their school have not actually received a useful education to function in the world, the school needs to be sued for negligence and false advertising, so that child can have financial help to compensate for not being trained. Any ordinary Joe six pack person already knows all of this with no special training. We need to start to weed out the people who keep causing all this damage and trouble for children, instead of constantly fixing, repairing and "trauma therapy-ing" the children they damage. 

To always keep fixing the children they break is not addressing the root issue, the people who break children need to be removed instead of contantly trying to fix the children they break. Every Joe six pack already knows all this with no training. One of the alleged therapy ladies of ISKCON recently went to a USA temple with a "high recommendation from Jayapataka." And that is just one of many examples of creating more trauma for the victims of this program. ys pd

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PADA: Point well taken. However, in my opinion, the first problem is, there are many deviants running around ISKCON, and they have been facilitated, enabled, empowered, encouraged and protected -- by the leadership. Or worse -- they have been specifically emplaced into positions of authority over children and vulnerable women. Thus, even if a deviant is identified, not much is being done to address that problem in many cases. 

Or worse, the whistleblowers against the deviant are removed and the deviant stays. That is what happened to me and many others. As soon as I said there is a predator running around, and he is having full on conjugal relationships with at least one victim, I was removed and the predator stayed, and was given even more protected status and higher posts of authority. Multiply that same issue by many times, and that is where we are now. Later on my friend reported a rape was attempted on a minor, and he was kicked out and the perp was allowed to stay. 

This type thing is an epidemic. Therefore, trying to help people AFTER they are victims is cart before horse, we should be nipping these events BEFORE they develop into trauma for children. And that means addressing how the leaders are NOT ALLOWING weeding out perps, which is most of the problem. And some cases the leaders ARE the perps. Therapy for victims needs to have the rest of the system working -- so they can see their victimizers are being given justice and containment. Many abusers were already being identified, and in many cases the whistle blowers were being weeded out, not the abusers. I don't see these webinar folks really coming to grips with the foundation issue. ys pd

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PADA: Yes, a lot of the ISKCON leader's "we could care less" mood would be changed dramatically if more victims and / or their parents actually pressed criminal charges. And those charges could go to the perps-- and / or their handlers / enablers, and / or webs and nests operators etc. Long overdue. And this is another problem, a lot of these leaders and perps are all getting well on in years, so unless charges are made soon, a lot of them are no longer going to be here to be charged. ys pd

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PADA: Rambhouru is still telling people that when the guru falls down and runs off with a woman, it is very shocking. And this process causes a lot of mental trauma and pain. Well -- what is truly shocking is -- that people like Rambhoru still think that Krishna's successors -- or gurus -- are falling down left, right and center -- into illicit sex with men, women and children. Krishna is God, His successors are therefore purely serving Krishna, and that is why they are running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. What else would we expect -- except a lot of trauma -- to result from that devious preaching? 

That means she thinks Krishna's gurus are ordinary men, or worse than ordinary men, because ordinary men are not running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. 

So she is one of the persons creating all this suffering, confusion and trauma by mis-representing who is Krishna and who is His successor. She is promoting that children should worship her conditioned soul messiahs as their gurus, and later on, those children will often find out they have been cheated, and they will reject the religion. 

And most of the children in her scheme have left the religion, and permanently. And many of them detest the religion thanks to her misrepresenting Krishna and His successors. Falling down foolish conditioned soul gurus is not shocking at all, it is expected and happens every day. 

What is shocking is -- that ISKCON is promoting these foolish conditioned souls as its gurus, and then they send in Rambhoru as the fire brigade to fix the traumatized victims -- without explaining how all this trauma originated -- by promoting conditioned souls as messiahs. So they are starting the place on fire, pouring petrol on it, then coming in to save the victims, the victims they created. OK that is why someone said, this is just a circus and not a real solution. 

But more people are reading PADA and other similar sites -- and they are starting to realize, the persons promoting conditioned soul gurus are the cause of this type of trauma, and the only fix is to stop promoting conditioned souls as gurus. Otherwise there will be wave after wave after wave of more and more and more trauma victims. Someone just said they get their trauma therapy every day, by reading PADA, hee hee!

ys pd

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