Yes, this is the boss of the whole situation.
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Hare Krishna Dear Devotees
ALACHUA CANCER SURVIVOR SANGA -- meeting in Alachua downtown every Friday 1:00 - 2:30pm. Also has private WhatsApp group. Confidentiality is honored. For past Survivors and also currently active cancer challenges. Much helpful information is shared, and comforting emotional support is a priceless component of the healing process.
Send PM to Sweta Brows in Messenger to be added to the group, describe your cancer situation briefly and state if you want your phone number to be added to our WhatsApp group. Also welcoming caregivers and family of cancer patients, and natural healing practitioners who wish to participate in our journey. Thank you!
PADA: OK what we said, and my Mormon nurse friend said, there is a cancer problem among the Hare Krishnas. Something is amiss. ys pd
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BHAKTI CHAITANYA SWAMI
BHAKTI CHAITANYA SWAMI
Anon Devotee: There's blood on the hands of the large majority of our leaders and as a young person raised in ISKCON I, along with many other young devotees between the ages of 20-35 have no interest in taking initiation or submitting to criminals, their accomplices or enablers.
Firstly I would like to thank the creators of this group and the devotees who are working tirelessly to expose these truths to us. I am a second generation devotee whose parents took brahmin initiation and my husband has exactly the same background as me.
We were raised in a country that's the hub of guru worshipping fanaticism (South Africa) however we immigrated many years ago. Prior to truth being revealed about our leaders I always questioned the blatant hypocrisy of our leaders and system. Simple living and higher thinking could never be applied to those who expect monthly debit orders to fund their intricate meal requirements and fancy technological devices.
Vyasa puja celebrations and their decorations were often times more fancy than the Lord's appearance days. You were bullied if you showed respect to any demigods and worshipped them to take u to Krishna, or called "Hindu bindu", however one was just expected to fall at the feet of criminals in expensive foot bathing ceremonies.
Almost every teaching of our scriptures are being violated by our child abusers and their enablers. My heart breaks for the victims and I personally have no idea how many of them overcame their traumas to lead a normal life.
My husband and I along with many of our peers will continue to support this page. Real devotees who fight for the truth are our only hope that one day we can raise children in ISKCON safely.
YF: ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) is sad that many devotees around the world are feeling like this.
SF: I personally doubt that they feel sad. They don't care is more like it. I know many devotees still want to believe the top management is adequate and benevolent; but " proof is in the pudding ".
NR: Bhakti chaitania swami has a grip on south Africa and his predecessor gbcs. Another of corruption within the management of the big south African temples.
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NR: Bhakti chaitania swami has a grip on south Africa and his predecessor gbcs. Another of corruption within the management of the big south African temples.
PD: Bhakti Chaitanya swami aka Raghubir was one of the people who opposed my objecting to Jayatirtha's intoxicated and lusty behaviors while posing as an acharya. He said that Jayatirtha is an acharya because "the GBC said so." He has supported all sorts of corruption in the name of "God's successors," and evidently, that is why they voted him into the cabal. One of the victims told me, Bhakti Chaitanya swami is another person who could never get a regular job in the material world, so he made "being an ISKCON guru" his retirement career.
AP: I can absolutely believe this
D Dasi: Raghubir has a long history of child sexual abuse but somehow or other he keeps flying under the radar and no one exposes him.
MR: Retirement career, good one. They are not ashamed admitting publicly either.
DA: All of these safron clothed people should be investigated and see how many has good bank accounts and assets. And people still bown down to them and think of the “ saintly”. Will there be one who is decent?
SF: I think they all could get job in "material world " as salesmen. Majority seem to devopled into experts. They really seem to be able to sell " Ice to Eskimos" or in our language - fog.
JS: Absolutely correct. I wonder what body Krsna will give him, for destroying the lives of so many young children, their parents, and the sincere devotees who trusted him. I know him very very well.
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"So there is derangement of the social order in the present-day world. Why? There is no head. They are all rascals. I frankly say it. Anybody may come. Any society where there is no intellectual persons or Krishna consciousness, that is a rascal society because there is no head. Either it is madman or a headless man, or dead body. If there is no brain, there is no head. If the brain is not working properly, then he's a madman. And if there is no head at all, then he's a dead man. So do you think in a dead society or in a mad society there can be any peace? No. What is peace? If the dead..., society is already dead, what do you mean by peace? And if the society is all full of madmen, then where is the question of peace?"
(Bhagavad-gita lecture, S.F., March 17, 1968)
(Bhagavad-gita lecture, S.F., March 17, 1968)
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Krishna Kshetra swami
In some temples they now have 20 "guru photos" next to the Altar room, and they offer bhogha to these photos. This was never authorized. Srila Prabhupada personally told me, the bhogha offerings have to be done according to his standards [offering to the pure devotee first] and any changes will mean the offering is not accepted by Krishna.
Whereas Krishna Kshetra swami's people have made a contrived system of offerings to Krishna first, and that was never discussed or authorized by the acharya. Nor is that the actual system of worshiping Krishna. Krishna's pure devotee is always worshiped first of all, that is the proper system.
Some people told me they were always sick until they started to offer their bhogha to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada said to us, if we want to make friends with the big important business man, we should make friends with his dog first. Then the big man will accept our friendship. So Krishna wants to see if we are making friends with His pure devotee -- before -- He will ever accept our friendship. ys pd
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Krishna Kshetra swami
In some temples they now have 20 "guru photos" next to the Altar room, and they offer bhogha to these photos. This was never authorized. Srila Prabhupada personally told me, the bhogha offerings have to be done according to his standards [offering to the pure devotee first] and any changes will mean the offering is not accepted by Krishna.
Whereas Krishna Kshetra swami's people have made a contrived system of offerings to Krishna first, and that was never discussed or authorized by the acharya. Nor is that the actual system of worshiping Krishna. Krishna's pure devotee is always worshiped first of all, that is the proper system.
Some people told me they were always sick until they started to offer their bhogha to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada said to us, if we want to make friends with the big important business man, we should make friends with his dog first. Then the big man will accept our friendship. So Krishna wants to see if we are making friends with His pure devotee -- before -- He will ever accept our friendship. ys pd
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PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yes Mathura Pati's Prabhupadanuga EU folks have been promoting Bhakta das, and he has been promoting BV puri and Saint Radhanath. I think this photo is one successor to BV Puri named Sridhar Maharaja, and there is BV Bishnu and one other that I know of.
BV Puri was in a big power struggle with some of the GBC guys. He was "re-initiating" some of the GBC disciples, saying the GBC are not qualified. And so the GBC was upset. And Bhakta das was contributing money to his program. BV Bishnu says he has accepted the post of acharya, so this whole thing is all about posing as another sin absorbing Jesus without having proper qualifications. But they all compete with one another over disciples.
Bhakta das has encouraged a lot of people, including many young people, to join this program, basically siphoning away many hundreds of from ISKCON. BV Puri was mainly compromised with various GBC gurus, and he was helping them be promoted as gurus.
They are all part of this "living guru" process, where unqualified people pose as acharyas. One of my friends went to BV Puri and told him none of these GBC are gurus, and he pretended to agree. And while my friend was leaving his ashram, BV Puri started talking again about how "the GBC are gurus" -- which means he did not accept what my friends told him.
BV Puri was supporting these deviations, including Saint Radhanath's, which is why Bhakta das was promoting him, and later on Mathura Pati's friends were promoting Bhakta das. They all love these bogus Jesus processes, and that is why none of them like PADA. Srila Prabhupada says there is no replacement for worshiping a pure devotee, it does not work, and Krishna will not accept it. ys pd
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UKRAINE
It turns out that the Ukrainian devotees did not listen to the GBC and paid for it.
This is what happens when you don't listen to the GBC:
"... Niranjana Swami, GBC representative in Ukraine, addressed the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) with a report on Ukraine, affected devotees and plans for the future... The National Council of ISKCON Ukraine continues to meet regularly. The last meeting was held in early March – during the ongoing conflict. At this meeting, it was decided to urge all devotees living in major cities near military installations to leave their homes and move to safer places.
All devotees were given a recommendation at the very beginning of the SMO to go to a safe place and preserve the Deities. Recommendations were given to them by well-wishers and the GBC. If these devotees have not found it in themselves to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus, then this is again a reason for you to manipulate religious tears.
But this is the free choice of people to whom the whole world was ready to give refuge so that these people would not suffer. It was their choice - not to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus - to move to a safe place.
If you had not dispersed such hatred on your part, as you are doing now, you would not have bombed a single temple. I guarantee it 108%. You are partly responsible for those deaths and destroyed temples, for the fact that the devotees did not listen to Niranjana Swami's advice to go to safety.
All the temples of the world were ready to give refuge. You will now live with this burden on your conscience. In addition, you will bear the burden of shifting your blame onto the devotees from Russia, who understood better than you where everything was going and also, out of love, asked the devotees to leave Ukraine.
There is no hatred towards Ukrainians in Russians! But among the Ukrainians it is overflowing. That’s why Ukrainians are given such rulers from above, who pour this hatred into the fire of human sacrifices. Even a sacred cow sometimes gets it if she climbs into the wrong place. We should have listened to our elders and helped the devotees leave the powder keg."
PADA: Well maybe, but first of all, many people in Ukraine are stuck where they are self evidently. No one wants to live near the front lines, but moving around is not easy, when many people lack the ability and resources to go anywhere else. The government has restricted many men from leaving the country, and the women are reluctant to go away without their men, which is understandable. And some of the refugees report being treated as a burden in the countries they fled to.
In sum, I do not think a lot of devotees wanted to stay in danger, but moving was not an easy alternative. That being said, conditions there are not getting any better anytime soon, and somehow it would be nice if more devotee folks could move out. I am not sure how that could be organized, and who would organize it etc. Nor am I sure that men who are military age would even be allowed to leave. Nor did I ever see where ISKCON was organizing a mass movement of all these people, there were some small attempts here and there. Nor could ISKCON legally move military aged men in any case.
So it is a lot of karma chakra grinding on here. People on both sides are getting hit and it is a loss for both parties. A reporter was standing in what is left of Adivka and he said there is nothing left, no one can live there anymore. And the place is littered with tens of thousands of butterfly mines everywhere, and the poor animals that remain there -- keep stepping on the mines -- and getting severely wounded as a result etc.
He said it will take decades to make this place habitable again, and he does not see that being done anytime soon. So the Russia plan is the same as always in their wars, to make the whole place uninhabitable. And that is going to take maybe centuries to get cleaned up when we consider all the residues of toxic materials everywhere, bomb residue, leaking oil tanks, exploded chemical plants with chemicals leaking all over, paint factories leaking paint into the rivers, blown up dams that has killed billions of wildlife, millions of artillery shells leaching dangerous toxins into the ground water, and all the rest of it. Saving some devotees or a temple is just not high on the priority list here. But yeah, something should be done, but can it even be done at all? ys pd
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**Topic**-Fake News.........
This is what happens when you don't listen to the GBC:
"... Niranjana Swami, GBC representative in Ukraine, addressed the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) with a report on Ukraine, affected devotees and plans for the future... The National Council of ISKCON Ukraine continues to meet regularly. The last meeting was held in early March – during the ongoing conflict. At this meeting, it was decided to urge all devotees living in major cities near military installations to leave their homes and move to safer places.
All devotees were given a recommendation at the very beginning of the SMO to go to a safe place and preserve the Deities. Recommendations were given to them by well-wishers and the GBC. If these devotees have not found it in themselves to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus, then this is again a reason for you to manipulate religious tears.
But this is the free choice of people to whom the whole world was ready to give refuge so that these people would not suffer. It was their choice - not to follow the advice of well-wishers and gurus - to move to a safe place.
If you had not dispersed such hatred on your part, as you are doing now, you would not have bombed a single temple. I guarantee it 108%. You are partly responsible for those deaths and destroyed temples, for the fact that the devotees did not listen to Niranjana Swami's advice to go to safety.
All the temples of the world were ready to give refuge. You will now live with this burden on your conscience. In addition, you will bear the burden of shifting your blame onto the devotees from Russia, who understood better than you where everything was going and also, out of love, asked the devotees to leave Ukraine.
There is no hatred towards Ukrainians in Russians! But among the Ukrainians it is overflowing. That’s why Ukrainians are given such rulers from above, who pour this hatred into the fire of human sacrifices. Even a sacred cow sometimes gets it if she climbs into the wrong place. We should have listened to our elders and helped the devotees leave the powder keg."
PADA: Well maybe, but first of all, many people in Ukraine are stuck where they are self evidently. No one wants to live near the front lines, but moving around is not easy, when many people lack the ability and resources to go anywhere else. The government has restricted many men from leaving the country, and the women are reluctant to go away without their men, which is understandable. And some of the refugees report being treated as a burden in the countries they fled to.
In sum, I do not think a lot of devotees wanted to stay in danger, but moving was not an easy alternative. That being said, conditions there are not getting any better anytime soon, and somehow it would be nice if more devotee folks could move out. I am not sure how that could be organized, and who would organize it etc. Nor am I sure that men who are military age would even be allowed to leave. Nor did I ever see where ISKCON was organizing a mass movement of all these people, there were some small attempts here and there. Nor could ISKCON legally move military aged men in any case.
So it is a lot of karma chakra grinding on here. People on both sides are getting hit and it is a loss for both parties. A reporter was standing in what is left of Adivka and he said there is nothing left, no one can live there anymore. And the place is littered with tens of thousands of butterfly mines everywhere, and the poor animals that remain there -- keep stepping on the mines -- and getting severely wounded as a result etc.
He said it will take decades to make this place habitable again, and he does not see that being done anytime soon. So the Russia plan is the same as always in their wars, to make the whole place uninhabitable. And that is going to take maybe centuries to get cleaned up when we consider all the residues of toxic materials everywhere, bomb residue, leaking oil tanks, exploded chemical plants with chemicals leaking all over, paint factories leaking paint into the rivers, blown up dams that has killed billions of wildlife, millions of artillery shells leaching dangerous toxins into the ground water, and all the rest of it. Saving some devotees or a temple is just not high on the priority list here. But yeah, something should be done, but can it even be done at all? ys pd
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**Topic**-Fake News.........
Srila Prabhupada says, ''By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real.'' and, recites an interesting story....Thus predicting today's reality (fake news) in modern society.............
Prabhupada: Propaganda. It is propaganda, that's all. By propaganda, you can do any false thing you can describe. One gentleman's name was Bhagavan, and his friend conspired that "Let us make us some joke that he has become ghost." So wherever he was going, the friend: "Oh, oh, a ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost!" [laughter] "No, no, I am not ghost; I am..." "No, no. Ghost." "This man has become crazy. Why he calling me ghost? I am not ghost." Then he goes another friend, then he also says like that: "Oh, here is a ghost, here is a ghost, here is a ghost!" [laughter] Then third friend, everyone, because they have conspired. Then he began to think, "I must have become ghost. [laughter] All friends have calling me 'ghost, ghost.' " If you make propaganda, if he's not ghost, you can make him ghost. That's all. This is propaganda. This is called propaganda. By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real. That's all. This is going on. They know how to do it. They're expert, because they're cheaters. They know how to do it.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Conversation with Devotees – April 14, 1975, Hyderabad
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