SD: I appreciate you took a lot of time going through my long comment! The deviance, child abuse etc in Iskcon can’t be attributed to Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers or the Gaudiya Math.
PD: Of course the Gaudiya Math folks can be blamed. They said the 11 -- including Jayatirtha -- are gurus, when JT was having an affair with a disciple, and he was offering LSD to the shalagram. Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has an affair with a disciple, it is the same as a father having s*x with his own daughter.
So the Gaudiya Matha supported the worship of these deviant, intoxicated fools [and de facto pedos] right out of the gate in 1978. And -- we become what we worship -- so they created a society of deviants, perps and pedos by creating worship of same. Of course, if we say deviants are God's direct or "shaksat hari" guru successors, it is the same as saying God is -- the same as -- a deviant.
All theists are required to oppose anyone who claims God is a deviant -- because His external manifestation representatives are as well. That is our duty to God, bare minimum. In short, saying God's successor is a deviant is the same as saying God is a deviant, and we have to oppose that -- or be implicated.
SD: And your comment about sitting back with out protest etc is like preaching to the converted! That is not my issue! And for the moment does not feature in my research! As for “envious of me being called Prabhupada I think Srila Sridhara Maharaj smoothed that out and pacified everyone so that should not be an issue!
PD: Sridhara Maharaja was ghost writing the ISKCON GBC's early papers, and he was saying they are the acharyas of the Zone and etc. and he never retracted or admitted this is all bogus -- that I know of? Worse, Sridhara Maharaja went on supporting the JT peace Krishnas and Hansadutta ongoing until much later on.
SD: But as for your example about not being your job to go lecture ... etc. Why are you overstepping your mark and telling Gaudiya Math people what to do!
PD: I should be silent and not tell the Gaudiya Matha it is wrong for them to endorse the worship of drunks, deviants, predators, pedos etc. -- who are creating mass child abuse -- as God's successors? That makes me an accomplice. No it is our duty to protect the children and oppose the enablers, sycophants, cheer leaders, accessories, hangers on, hand maidens, "advisors" "rasika gurus" etc. to a corrupt guru regime. Never mind it is our duty as humans to protect children from such odious regimes.
SD: I’m curious as Srila Prabhupada did not want us to interfere with his relationship with his God brothers!
PD: They interfered with us? So we had to counter point them. They said the 11 like Jayatirtha are acharyas, while we said he is an intoxicated fool and de facto pedo. We are right and they are not. They have no authority to defend keeping a lusty intoxicated fool in the post of Krishna's successor. And the result is that JT was terminated later on by a disgruntled disciple, which means they created a dangerous fanatical situation.
SD: Nowhere does he say go wage war against them! And I agree with you when you say you look foolish trying to advise them!
PD: They waged a war with us? They told us to go along with their pedo pooja idea, offering bhogha to pedos and so on. They have no authority to endorse and support all this.
SD: If you got saved by Srila Prabhupada consider yourself lucky! He considered himself lucky to have been saved by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, he gave thanks to Srila Sridhara Maharaj and his sannyas guru Srila Keshava Maharaj!
I’m glad you agree it’s childish to argue about titles! But it is our “siddhanta” to respect anyone who chants the Maha mantra and not throw shade on them or is it your opinion only Iskcon members deserve respect!
PD: Well anyyone who chants, and simultaneously promotes pedo pooja, pedo guru regimes, offering bhogha to pedos etc. is not chanting properly. My neighbor is an atheist, and he says there is no child mistreatment allowed in his circle of like - minded atheists, they nip it immediately. And therefore he says, us atheists are morally and compassionately more advanced than your religion. He is right. And that is because these false religionists misrepresented the religion.
SD: Once again western arrogance comes through when you say “we were calling him Prabhupada” and as for why does a great soul have to advertise. Look closer to home like you say don’t fuss with the neighbour. If the devotees in Iskcon can’t see Srila Prabhupada’s glory how you expect others to!
PD: The devotees in ISKCON compromised with the Gaudiya Matha and began to promote deviants as acharyas. ISKCON is no longer ISKCON, it is a sahajiya cult, supported by various Gaudiya Matha advisors, rasika acharyas etc.
SD: I don’t think we can say all of the Gaudiya Math have no understanding of where we came from and is it not written we are tathasta shakti and no ne falls from the spiritual world!
PD: The Gaudiya Matha preaches the Vatican idea that some "higher souls" start off as angels in heaven with God, and us poor "lesser souls" do not start with God -- and we lesser souls are thus prone to end up burning in Naraka with Satan. This is something the Vatican was preaching to me when I was 10. No, we start out with God, and now we have to go back to God. Some do not start off with God, and some minus God, prone to illusion and suffering, as the Vatican preaches. God is equal to all of His children and He does not have a bias with them.
SD: You say the Gaudiya Math guru Ananta Vasudeva. Well he was not the guru of the Gaudiya as there was a spirit remember.
PD: Yeah the spirit was to deviate and promote him -- and then a bunch of other conditioned souls as gurus, in addition to Ananta Vasudeva. Thus "in some camps the guru is being replaced three times a year."
SD: I don’t think you are aware of Schrödinger’s cat. It is only after you open the box you come to the truth!
PD: We did not have to open the box, we said these 11 are conditioned souls right from day one, square one, and they are.
SD: In this insistence you are saying we should know if the cat is dead or alive before we open box! That would fall into the realm of speculation.
PD: It was DOA before we opened it, worship of conditioned souls will fail every single time.
SD: So I pose this to you did Srila Prabhupada know his movement would be ruled by homosexuals, pedos and child molesters! So I think your arguments falls short there! Don’t be like those who say you wanted a cheating guru so Krishna gave you one in Prabhupada’s movement!
You might be interested to know Gaudiya Math is growing at an alarming rate! See whats happening in the UK They are learning how to preach in the West with great success!
In certain countries it’s the Hindus we curse and blaspheme who are supporting this movement and I’ve heard about the “Hinduisation” of Iskcon because they can’t preach to the westerners! What to do eh!
PD: All kinds of deviated gurus grow big programs, which come and go over time. Many of the big Hindu God men of the 1970s -- when we were in India -- are no longer even mentioned. Their programs were not meant to last.
In any case, whether Prabhupada's mission lasts or doesn't -- really does not change the absolute truth. And the absolute truth is, we have to worship a pure devotee and not conditioned souls, or worship those who promote other conditioned souls as acharyas, as is the habitual process in the Gaudiya Matha. ys pd
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