[PADA: Nope. I have not taken a penny from any ISKCON lawsuits -- nor would I -- since I consider all of it to be stolen Judas gold. Most of the devotees who have been taking money from ISKCON -- ended up suffering some bad reactions. Including a big cancer epidemic.
I have no interest in getting a share of the gold stolen by Judas, I consider it as cursed blood money. To say I was one of the especially enriched by this lawsuit is simply -- fake news. Nor have you produced a shred of evidence I got paid -- even one red cent. I have also funded my own web sites and etc. for decades. Someone volunteered to help fund my sites, providing -- they could monitor the content. No deal, no thanks!]
Later PADA went goo-goo gaa-gaa over Tulsi Gabbard the major abortion lawmaker, who passed legislation facilitating live organ harvesting and mass murder of human babies, but you turned a blind to that, and insisted we should still support her campaign.
[PADA: Nope. I never said Tulsi is a clean operator, and if you can find any evidence of that, show us please. She is a newsworthy figure, and I posted news articles about her. But I also posted news articles about all sorts of other newsworthy people, even GBC people, but that is not always an endorsement.
She at one time was making a nice kirtan and she was promoting the Gita, those are nice things, but still not getting my endorsement. In fact you would be hard pressed to find anyone who gets even my partial -- never mind full -- endorsement.
I agree, Tulsi has been associated with the Democrat party up to recently, and their platform is mundane and defective, and I never said otherwise. That party contributed their 50% to the current USA mess, and that no one can argue.
She has some sentiment for Krishna, and that is good, but that is not a full clean bill of health from me. Everyone who is involved with modern politics will have to make compromises, and she is no exception, nor did I ever say I was giving her any exception. Srila Prabhupada sometimes encourages a little spark in some people -- I may -- or may not do the same.
The article you cite is where I said she follows Siddhaswarupa, this is not a full endorsement by any means. I have already stated my case on Siddha and his program. He has some nice people, ok but it is also defective since he glorifies himself as some sort of current acharya.
There are also a lot of other people who also have some sentiment for Krishna, but mostly they do not agree with my work. So what? Did I forget to mention, Tulsi is now a featured speaker on your favorite platforms? In any case she is not being interviewed by me, but by the so-called "fiscal and moral conservatives." Your pals.
If she is a bad operator (as you claim) why is she the current darling of the same folks -- who are featured favorably on Russian TV? You say she is a bad actor, and simultaneously, she is the darling of your platform, ok this is called hypocrisy. You folks need to decide if she represents your views, or not. I am not the one interviewing her on live public media myself, it is up to your type people -- who are talking to her now -- to address these points, but they aren't.]
You never admitted to your readers she's a fraud, and now you're attacking her too and suggesting I join her. What this means is you never cared about protecting children and only care about attacking ISKCON to attract financial support for yourself.
www.harekrsna.com
[PADA: Makes no sense? I never admitted she is a fraud, but I am foolish to be attacking her views? You are arguing with yourself.
[PADA: Makes no sense? I never admitted she is a fraud, but I am foolish to be attacking her views? You are arguing with yourself.
And as for your reference to harekrsna com -- Rocana -- was one of the people who supported the lawsuit, because even he agreed that it is required, and children from his party signed up as victims for the lawsuit. You are against the lawsuit, by citing the people who promote and participate in the lawsuit.
And! It turns out -- more of the ISKCON children were committing suicide -- and the suicides reduced after the lawsuit. And then a number of victims wrote to tell me they would have also been -- gone and departed -- (i.e. dead) without the lawsuit. The lawsuit gave them a voice in the situation, and it helped some of them substantially just for that reason.
It encouraged them that they were getting at least some justice. They had some means of countering the attacks that had been made on them. Some thanked me for saving their lives. And some ex-kids told me the settlement was the only money they EVER got -- ever -- and it helped them from being homeless, helped get them money for some education, or funded a much needed vehicle and etc. At least a few of them were living in these vehicles. What did you give these victims?
Yes, Tulsi is the current darling of "the moral and fiscal conservatives," who helped add $33,000,000,000 to the USA deficit, I agree. Again, I never said I fully endorse or support Tulsi's views, and I have subsequently shown her associated with Radhanath and so on. She is a mixed devotee, which is what most devotees are at this stage.
Even a broken clock is right twice in a day. When it is right, that is to be encouraged, but that is not a full time endorsement of the broken clock.
Again, I never took even a penny from the lawsuit, and never will. Nor am I being financially supported by any devotees anywhere. Why is it that people have to die to save your precious ISKCON money? Is money more important than people's lives?
And hundreds of kids were pulled out of GBC schools after 1997, and many of those folks thanked me profusely for helping get them yanked out of there. You wanted them to stay there? Why is that always the plan? When the suicides are running up, keeping more children in that system, so more victims will emerge? Good plan! For Kali Yuga's servants.
[Why is it that people have to die to save your money? Is money more important than people's lives?]
What money is mine that you're speaking of? Your lawsuit helped out people who have no interest in ever becoming Krsna consciousness or following Srila Prabhupada prescription - the 4 principles including no intoxication and no illicit sex. Zero temple service or engagement.
[PADA: Why should they, or anyone else, "serve" a pedophile worshiping cult? If someone is doing zero service to a pedophile worshiping cult, that is an excellent result. Why are you saying -- zero service to a pedophile worship cult is a bad idea. That is the best idea ever. And if the people who are doing zero service to a pedophile cult are getting intoxicated, so what. Better to be intoxicated than serve a pedophile messiah's club.]
They grew up around devotees but left decades ago, and don't follow anything Srila Prabhupada prescribes. They returned to hippiedom along with their parents. Many became stoners and drunks and committing suicide appears only indirectly related to their experiences of decades ago.
[PADA: OK so the GBC's "guru-kula" program destroyed their lives, and then some of them were depressed and suicidal. How is that their fault? They were five years old children -- forced into a bogus system of worshiping deviants as gurus -- and then there was the abuse and etc.
None of this is their fault, this evil was all pushed upon them. They didn't end up following and participating, but neither did 95% of the original Prabhupada devotees. They also left and most of them do not follow either. Or they ran off to GBC cheer leaders like Narayan Maharaja. These children were mistreated by the religion, so they left the religion, which is what Srila Prabhupada warned. If they are mistreated, they might revolt against us. And they did.]
They used it as a crutch to make excuses because they can't make it in life and work like everyone else has to. You got them free money and they used it for themselves. That's your big victory. Should devotees work to pay for people who don't work and are homeless with drug problems? Is their drug and alcohol use directly connected to their experiences in the 1970's, or are they basically just hippies who want a free ride? Your logic makes no sense.
[PADA: OK but children who are in molester cults often cannot function well after their traumatic childhood experiences, sometimes for the rest of their entire lives. That is well known. So now, many of the victims who fell into a dysfunctional life, because of their dysfunctional childhood, are just a bunch of drunk hippies with no value or worth.
[PADA: OK but children who are in molester cults often cannot function well after their traumatic childhood experiences, sometimes for the rest of their entire lives. That is well known. So now, many of the victims who fell into a dysfunctional life, because of their dysfunctional childhood, are just a bunch of drunk hippies with no value or worth.
That is why they tell me they are the varnasankara, the unwanted progeny. Obviously, these children were largely seen as a burden, and they still are seen as a burden in most cases. Oh well Srila Prabhupada's children are a bunch of drunk losers who are committing suicide, who cares. Maybe Krishna cares and He wanted to see if you cared.
This is why many are in the current dysfunction state they are in now. Many of them told me "no one cared, except for you and your idea of a lawsuit." They are a bunch of worthless, homeless drunks, and then we wonder why there has been a suicide program.
This is why many are in the current dysfunction state they are in now. Many of them told me "no one cared, except for you and your idea of a lawsuit." They are a bunch of worthless, homeless drunks, and then we wonder why there has been a suicide program.
You guys have devalued them as worthless drunks, varnasankara, and that turns them to despair, and that creates an impetus for suicide. In sum your ilk are the direct or indirect cause of their suicidal depression, they see how cold and uncaring "the devotees" are.
Oh yeah agreed, a bunch of the ISKCON kids ended up as: homeless; and drunks; and drug addicts and etc. What kind of society makes a number of their own kids homeless drunks, while the leaders live like Saudi princes?
Is that your idea of ISKCON? This is a scam-con, and a trick to usurp the property of these children. If the children of the society end up as homeless drunks, that means, the society failed to produce a better result. The main blame goes to the adults who managed that society -- and not the victims.]
Suresh Gensler [But your guys are supporting Tulsi now?]
Which guys are my guys? This is my point to you, you're uninformed. Devotee kids left Prabhupada's mission decades ago, grew up and never practiced Srila Prabhupada's method. Instead, they became hippies and stoners, and committed suicide because of it, because material life unconnected to direct Krishna conscious activity yields - frustration and suicide.
My point is you're so intent on attacking ISKCON, that you miss the forest from the trees. You're not genuinely for Srila Prabhupada's mission and teachings. It appears you're ignorant of cause and effect of failing to practice Krsna consciousness, which is meant for everyone, especially you.
PADA: The international society of mass molesting and suicides is not ISKCON. And the only reason the molesting was checked, at all, is because we sued your wonderful "ISKCON" program. Molested, dead and suicided children is both the forest and the trees.
I see both. I share the karma of stopping molesting and suicides, and that is the only good karma in this situation. Mass molesting and suicides is ISKCON? And I attacked your wonderful ISKCON. Mass molesting and suicides is a Satanic cult, it is not ISKCON. You keep saying I am attacking ISKCON, but how is a molester guru cult ISKCON?]
Suresh Gensler
[And the only reason it was checked, at all, is because we sued your wonderful program.]
It's Srila Prabhupada's program.
[PADA: Mass molesting and worshiping pedophiles is Srila Prabhupada's program?, there you go again! And the GBC says -- the same exact thing. Odd echo huh? Sorry, the molester messiah's program is not Srila Prabhupada's program, Krishna's program, ISKCON's program etc.]
Why do you oppose Srila Prabhupada's program while claiming to be for Srila Prabhupada's program? I propose you're a hypocrite. Without ISKCON to attack you'd have nothing, and your life has no meaning.
[I attacked your wonderful ISKCON]
I don't live in ISKCON and it doesn't belong to me.
[PADA: There it is again! The molester messiah's program is Srila Prabhupada's program. Nope.
And you also had to leave the molester messiah's cult, like all the rest of us, and the ex-gurukulis, and so on. You left, we left, the kulis left etc. You are not better than anyone else, you did what everyone one else did, you left, we left, they left. And that is why most people left, it is now a pedophile acharya cult and it is being rejected. I am attacking ISKCON by saying it is turning into a ghost town, but you also left. If ISKCON is so wonderful, why did you leave, just like the ex-kulis did.]
I'm a follower of Srila Prabhupada's teachings. You claim you are too, but in fact you oppose Srila Prabhupada's teachings and prescription. Srila Prabhupada teaches that materialism devoid of direct connection to Krsna's mercy, yield frustration and suicide, but you deny it, because at heart you're an atheist, and reject Srila Prabhupada's teachings.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that worship of mundane bogus gurus is already a suicidal policy. Whether a person dies now or later, his life has been spoiled. So now you are admitting that ISKCON's teaching to little children causes them to be frustrated and suicidal.
Same question, if they are five years old kids, and they are being trained in such a way that they are emerging as frustrated and suicidal, whose fault is that? It is not theirs, it is their overseers, and anyone compromised with these overseers. These kids became materialistic ... because they were trained to worship mundane materialistic fools as their gurus. That system is ISKCON?]
You're a fake "ys". You got money for other fakes, and you share in their karma, when they used Srila Prabhupada's hard earned money on booze, drugs, shopping and materialism, which in fact they did.
[PADA: Yep, I agree, many of the children turned into bad actors, but they are victims. They became bad actors because they were victimized when they were kids. And you are re-victimizing them by saying their victimizing cult is ISKCON. It is a Satanic pedophile guru cult, and not ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada's program is mass molesting and suicide? OK that is why we had to sue that program, which you yourself claim is ISKCON. A Satanic cult is not ISKCON.
And yes, we got the victims some money, they spent it however they spent it, but the suicides dropped. You wanted them to die in the name of ISKCON, we didn't, and we still don't. I would rather have a live person who is drinking, than a dead one.
You might help the live person eventually, and we have helped a number. Many of the younger people like our ideas and many younger people read our site. Various young people skype with me for hours and invite me to their forums etc.
You keep saying my attacking a molesting and suicide cult is attacking ISKCON. Why do you think molesting and suicide of children is ISKCON? And why have you never answered that question for decades? Yes, they got some money, and they lived, and you are not happy they are alive, got it.
Molested children can and do commit suicide, that is what happens in real life in many other molester cults. That is exactly why we had to have your wonderful system sued, you failed to recognize the results of your own bogus cult, which is not ISKCON.]
Suresh Gensler
[Srila Prabhupada's program is mass molesting and suicide. OK that is why we had to sue that program, which you yourself claim is ISKCON.]
I never at any time said any of this. All the claims you're making against me are patently false, but you make these types of claims because you're a pathological liar and you have no shame.
[PADA: I am attacking a Satanic pedophile worship cult, and you said a number of times -- I am attacking ISKCON. I am citing you.]
Srila Prabhupada's program is the 4 regulative principles and chanting the Hare Krsna mantra on japa beads, worshiping Deities and living a restricted lifestyle. Materialism devoid of Krsna consciousness is the cause of frustration and suicide, not participation in a spiritual life. You've got it all backwards because at heart you reject Srila Prabhupada's teachings, even though you pretend to be for them. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy.
[PADA: What does any of that have to do with a pedophile worshiping cult that mass molests children?]
You got money for people who don't follow Krsna consciousness and reject Srila Prabhupada's teachings and prescription. They spent Srila Prabhupada's hard earned money on materialism, shopping, booze, drugs. You helped them increase their materialism, and you share in their karma for it.
At heart you reject Srila Prabhupada's teachings and have no faith in them. Materialism itself devoid of Krsna's grace is the source of frustration. Getting money and spending it on materialism doesn't yield lasting happiness or the transcendental joy the soul seeks. These are Srila Prabhupada's teachings.
[PADA: So we should have allowed more and more suicides? More dead people is the best way to fix things. Nope, had the suicides continued that would have been eventually another -- mass media mess -- anyway, never mind I do not agree that any victims of abuse should end up dead.
The victims don't follow the religion because they were severely mistreated by it. You said I am attacking ISKCON, and that means, attacking their Satanic pedophile worship cult is attacking ISKCON. You are the one making ISKCON and Satanic pedophile worship one and the same entity. I am quoting you.
And that is one reason so many of these victims despise the religion, you are misrepresenting / juxtaposing Satanic pedophile cults with ISKCON. You are the person giving them a bad idea of what ISKCON is. And that is your karma in this mix. If you keep insisting that a pedophile worship cult is ISKCON -- then how will you ever fix the image of the actual ISKCON? Or don't you want it to be fixed?
ys pd]
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SD Dasi: Very encouraging. The women should just sit down and be quiet. The children who were molested ... should just sit down and drink a beer ... and forget about ALL the trouble they had in ISKCON.
ReplyDeleteThen our real agenda can move along ... without opposition. And that means -- anti-women, children and families. And pro-molester guru. That Suresh is just another one of these misogynist jokers.
I think they just don't realize how stupid they look to the rest of the world. Go ahead speak up ... that is how to spot a fool ... as soon as he speaks.
The ISKCON children are useless, homeless, drunken bums. That is their opinion of Srila Prabhupada's Vaikuntha children. This is horrific. But it does explain what happened to these children, and how and why it happened.
And Suresh is one of the party that caused all this suffering to these children. And now he just says they are all drunks and bums ... to cover up what his demeanor and attitude ... and self-serving psychopathic ... neanderthal ... lack of concern for others ... caused for these victims. Just plain pathetic.
S Dasi: Let me see. The children did not follow their parents ... who are worshiping pedophiles, and the parents still are worshiping pedophiles in ISKCON. When I have to choose, either drink beer, or worship pedophiles, beer wins every time. Why does Suresh think the children should follow the parents idea of worshiping pedophiles? And why does he think that is ISKCON? Give me a beer, every time.
ReplyDeleteLW: That means the children are vastly superior to the parents. If we have to go to Yamaraja, who gets the better treatment? 1) The parents who are promoting the worship of pedophiles as gurus, or 2) their children who are drinking beer, but refusing to cooperate with pedophile guru worship?
ReplyDeleteClearly the children are a million times better off. Suresh thinks ... that is a bad thing. Why? If the children are much better off, we should be happy for them. That means he wanted the children to join the pedophile worship program, which he calls ... ISKCON.
He said they all left ISKCON. No the children left a pedophile worship cult ... which was being supported by their parents. They did the right thing. We should give them a pat on the back ... not attack them as drunken losers. And if the children are drunken losers ... who made them that way? The adults. Really includes Suresh.
That means he F****D up their lives and he still thinks they should have stayed ... in the pedophile guru cult. No, they should leave and we should encourage them to leave.
JoJo: Oh gawd. Another "conservative" ... overly concerned with the welfare of children ... except ... his own society's children .. the very ones he should be helping, minding and watching out for. All about "saving the babies" ... except for ... the very same babies that are dependent on being saved by these "child welfare" fanatics.
ReplyDeleteAnother hypocrisy. Where were all these people when all this abuse was going on .. and still is ... because Lokanath is still the acharya. They were happy to see the "awful behaving" children leaving ... and behaving awfully ... as a protest to these "senior devotees" allowing all this to happen.
Personally ...I believe Suresh should have been handing out $100 bills and a free beer six pack ... to any child who left that pedophile guru society. The people who leave that behind need to be rewarded and not branded as lousy people. They are doing the right thing ... get out of that cult ... and don't look back.
Abortion is evil ... no one can argue ... but mistreating children after they are born is also evil. Maybe more evil .. because that type of abusive suffering over long periods of time can last ... maybe for decades ... instead of minutes.
That kid who had to get money for his knocked out teeth ... at 45 years old? They just don't get it ... do they? They failed to protect these children ... and now they are just attacking ... the victims ... as drunken bums. Horrific.