Tuesday, October 18, 2022

Gurus Are Full of Problems (BVKS VIDEO)

[PADA: Who knew? The guru system the GBC is now following is -- illicit sex with men, women and children deviants -- are, were or could have been -- "links" in the line of God's eternal acharyas. And all this was established in 1971 by Srila Prabhupada -- and is followed up to the current time. 

Wait! What? When did Srila Prabhupada say that BVKS' illicit sex deviants, debauchees, predators, pedophiles and drugs addicts etc. -- are links and parts of the eternal guru chain from Krishna. And this is all something we all knew he wanted already in 1971? Nope!

And then -- oh oh -- these deviated persons  -- who have been engaged in these illicit behaviors -- will now suddenly "2/3 show of hands vote in" more gurus. OK like BVKS. 

I am lost here. BVKS' pedophile messiahs program idea was established in 1971? When? Where? How? No one ever heard of the idea that ISKCON would be worshiping illicit sex deviants and pedophiles as gurus -- and that all this was being established by Srila Prabhupada in 1971. No one ever heard about this, from 1971 or later on EVER. 

Then! The guru is supposed to be absolute and not under the authority of a GBC. OK. So what happens when these gurus become renegades, as they often do, and they do not listen to the GBC. No good reply. OK maybe these gurus are relative position, conditioned souls, but that means ... they are not diksha gurus in the parampara.

Oh yea, we have to finally start to study the guru issue and figure out how a lot of this is going to work. So after all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders, we are now going to study the issue? Oh yea, our gurus made a lot of mistakes too. OK gurus are defective, which is one of the ten offenses.

Then BVKS complains -- we had some elderly senior devotees from the Gaudiya Matha taking many people away from ISKCON. Right, and it was the GBC who introduced these elderly senior people into the ISKCON society. 

Anyway, this is perhaps the best admission video he has ever made. They are: flailing around; they are making mistakes; they have not studied the issue; they are maybe relative and not absolute -- because they are conditioned souls; they are maybe absolute -- and at the same time subordinate to a committee, etc. In other words, all this banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders is being done to promote -- speculation -- that conditioned souls can be worshiped as acharyas. Oh yea, maybe I should just abandon the GBC. 

Did I forget to mention that one of the gurukuli victims of the BVKS process recently told me they tried to commit suicide several times. And who knows if the next attempt will be a success? And so, all of these people have had to suffer, and horribly, and maybe die, while BVKS says they are "trying to figure out how all of this is going to work." 

BVKS is standing on the skulls of many banned, beaten, molested and dead people, then he decides, it is time to figure out what is going on here? We all already know what is going on here, the BVKS program is having thousands and thousands of Vaishnavas banned, some beaten, many molested, some sued and killed. 

And that unfortunately, is what we have to tell the media folks over and over and over, because none of this policy ever changes. Our devotees are still being banned, exiled, removed, sued, getting threats of violence or death, and so forth -- just as the BVKS guys have done all along. The real question is: when is BVKS program going to admit, they have no authority to have anyone, anywhere, banned, beaten, molested, threatened, sued and / or killed? And why does he never answer the real question?

Of course we could also ask, why is BVKS citing Mayesvara as his authority, who has been supporting the legal action against the molesting victims, and which is infuriating the molesting victims, and making some of them more suicidal, but we will ask that one later. 

ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com

   



2 comments:

  1. JD: Sounds like a plan. First, in 1978 we create a plan to banish devotees, beat up devotees, molest the ISKCON children, sue anyone who disagrees, and maybe kill any Vaishnavas who disagree.

    Then!

    In 2022 we should start to discuss ... what are the problems with our plan. Maybe they should have asked about these problems with their plan before they began to attack the Vaishnavas?

    Around 1992 Narayan Maharaja wrote to my friend telling him the ritvik idea is bogus and we need to cooperate with the GBC gurus. Another person who endorses all the violence against devotees.

    Why does their "plan" only work when thousands of Vaishnavas and their children have to suffer horribly ... and some even need to off themselves from the planet to get away from their "plan." The time to revise your plan is long overdue. It needed to be fixed 20 years ago ... and even that would be too long to wait.

    Maybe we need to fix our plan. Really? At this late stage. WTF??? Just now noticing ... your plan is ruining ISKCON and its devotees.

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  2. A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or a Vaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikārī as a spiritual master. Nectar of Instruction
    NOI 5

    PADA: Thanks S Dasa: So evidently, you have no guru at all. That means you should not enter Vaishnava debates until you can identify your line. A person with no guru has no standing in any form of debates, and the Goswamis would ask people to identify their line before they engaged with anyone.

    That being said, it looks like you answered your own question: "Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikārī as a spiritual master. Nectar of Instruction." That is what we said. As for the GBC, they say their guru chain contains illicit sex, vodka drinking, porno swamis etc. and therefore they are not even promoting kanisthas as their gurus.

    This begs the question, is your guru in the illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage, and why don't you just identify your line? Anyway, you answered your own question, only accept an uttama as your guru, otherwise it is insufficient guidance, as you just now pointed out yourself. Agreed. ys pd

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