Basu Ghosh (orange Turban): Main Leader of ISKCON's Homosexual Pedophile Messiah's program -- and ICC consultant. Notice how happy they are at their pedophile guru's celebration ceremony! Now that their guru is also a suspect in rape, that makes their guru all the more qualified to be a pure successor! Hooray!
This email has been sent to all GBC members individually as their
discussion on FDG is tomorrow. Depending on the outcome we will have
our meeting.
Dear ......................
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We realise that tomorrow is the GBC meeting to discuss the recent GBC resolution on Female Diksha Gurus. In that case we thought of writing to you directly to express our concerns.
We do understand the arguments given by the pro FDG supporters, who feel that creating FDG’s is required for preaching to go on in the western countries. By taking certain conversations of Srila Prabhupada, they try to validate their understanding. Of course, we have many arguments to clarify those misconceptions, to understand exactly what Srila Prabhupada meant, supported by Shastra.
We do hope you agree that at present 75% of the preaching goes on in India, 50% of GBC fees and maximum new temples and devotees are coming up / joining in India. The leading Temples of both Ramanuja and Madhava sampradaya as well as forty-five of the Gaudiya Math have clearly indicated that they will no longer accept ISKCON as a Vaisnava Sampradaya and will clearly announce this to their followers, the press and the Government.
discussion on FDG is tomorrow. Depending on the outcome we will have
our meeting.
Dear ......................
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We realise that tomorrow is the GBC meeting to discuss the recent GBC resolution on Female Diksha Gurus. In that case we thought of writing to you directly to express our concerns.
We do understand the arguments given by the pro FDG supporters, who feel that creating FDG’s is required for preaching to go on in the western countries. By taking certain conversations of Srila Prabhupada, they try to validate their understanding. Of course, we have many arguments to clarify those misconceptions, to understand exactly what Srila Prabhupada meant, supported by Shastra.
We do hope you agree that at present 75% of the preaching goes on in India, 50% of GBC fees and maximum new temples and devotees are coming up / joining in India. The leading Temples of both Ramanuja and Madhava sampradaya as well as forty-five of the Gaudiya Math have clearly indicated that they will no longer accept ISKCON as a Vaisnava Sampradaya and will clearly announce this to their followers, the press and the Government.
If we introduce FDG’s they will consider us as apasampradaya. They already ask us to excuse them but in order for this trend to not come in their mission they have no choice.
The resolution in itself has created a division by giving national councils the choice to accept FDG’s or not. The GBC sees balance and change in this action but we see only consequences. Some feel this decision addresses everyone’s concerns but how will you manage the consequences of one country accepting and another not accepting, how will we manage the consequences of denying FDG’s to come here and make disciples, when there is so much license with social media? Will we have to ban FDG’s from coming to our countries?
The resolution in itself has created a division by giving national councils the choice to accept FDG’s or not. The GBC sees balance and change in this action but we see only consequences. Some feel this decision addresses everyone’s concerns but how will you manage the consequences of one country accepting and another not accepting, how will we manage the consequences of denying FDG’s to come here and make disciples, when there is so much license with social media? Will we have to ban FDG’s from coming to our countries?
Right now, today, Narayani Mataji is in Vrndavan preaching and collecting prospective disciples, when we “strongly oppose” the concept of FDGs?
Therefore, we the leaders of India, temple presidents, members of the national council and the majority of the members of the ISKCON Bureau in association with individual leaders from many countries like Sri Lanka, Croatia and New Zealand request you to please consider the effects of this resolution. Leading disciples of Srila Prabhupada, disciples of many initiating gurus such as, Lokanath Swami, Bhakti Charu Swami, Gaur Govinda Swami, Bhakti Gaurav Nayaran Swami, Bhakti Raghava Swami, Bhakti Vikash Swami, Kratu Prabhu, Mahaman Prabhu, along with leading disciples of Jayapataka Swami and Gopal Krishna Goswami are requesting your intervention.
We do accept the GBC and wish to work closely under the guidance of the GBC. We co-operate in all respects with Org Dev, GBC Ministries, Strategic Planning, following the procedures for Guru appointments and sannyasa but this resolution is not just a detail but a major change in a principle. It’s like introducing in one country that the standard for chanting japa is 8 rounds and in another country the standard is 16 rounds. How can this be done; it will create chaos, confusion and division.
Please do consider, and bring a stay order on appointment of FDG’s as well as any new initiations from FDG’s and enter into a serious dialogue with representatives of India. The team being, well balanced representatives from the Bureau and the GBC with neutral moderators to keep the discussion moving. Consensus is required to avoid irreparable consequences.
Your servants
IIAC EC. Chairman Pancaratna Das, Vice Chairman Sura Das, Secretary
Vishnunam Das
ICC EC. Chairman Sahadev Das, Vice Chairman Sumithra Krishna Das,
Secretary Keshav Murari Das
Majority members of the Bureau
[PADA: Makes no sense to me at all. Men "gurus" -- who are many times engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and who have been busily orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and even assassinating Vaishnavas -- are, were or could be gurus.
Therefore, we the leaders of India, temple presidents, members of the national council and the majority of the members of the ISKCON Bureau in association with individual leaders from many countries like Sri Lanka, Croatia and New Zealand request you to please consider the effects of this resolution. Leading disciples of Srila Prabhupada, disciples of many initiating gurus such as, Lokanath Swami, Bhakti Charu Swami, Gaur Govinda Swami, Bhakti Gaurav Nayaran Swami, Bhakti Raghava Swami, Bhakti Vikash Swami, Kratu Prabhu, Mahaman Prabhu, along with leading disciples of Jayapataka Swami and Gopal Krishna Goswami are requesting your intervention.
We do accept the GBC and wish to work closely under the guidance of the GBC. We co-operate in all respects with Org Dev, GBC Ministries, Strategic Planning, following the procedures for Guru appointments and sannyasa but this resolution is not just a detail but a major change in a principle. It’s like introducing in one country that the standard for chanting japa is 8 rounds and in another country the standard is 16 rounds. How can this be done; it will create chaos, confusion and division.
Please do consider, and bring a stay order on appointment of FDG’s as well as any new initiations from FDG’s and enter into a serious dialogue with representatives of India. The team being, well balanced representatives from the Bureau and the GBC with neutral moderators to keep the discussion moving. Consensus is required to avoid irreparable consequences.
Your servants
IIAC EC. Chairman Pancaratna Das, Vice Chairman Sura Das, Secretary
Vishnunam Das
ICC EC. Chairman Sahadev Das, Vice Chairman Sumithra Krishna Das,
Secretary Keshav Murari Das
Majority members of the Bureau
[PADA: Makes no sense to me at all. Men "gurus" -- who are many times engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and who have been busily orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and even assassinating Vaishnavas -- are, were or could be gurus.
Whereas women, who are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and / or orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating Vaishnavas, are not allowed to hold a position or authority in ISKCON. That means, their pedophile worship program is fine, as long as the pedophiles and / or orchestrators of crimes -- are men? Seriously?
OK I forgot, conditioned soul women cannot take karma as a diksha guru anymore than men can. Not going to fly either. ISKCON's women gurus are also not going to fly in India's traditional sampradayas, which is good news -- it will save some people from getting cheated.
Wait? Do these traditional sampradayas accept that pedophiles are, were or could have been ISKCON's acharyas though? Can't figure that out at all? Why have they not objected to the illicit sex with men, women and children ISKCON's men's sampradaya?
I also forgot, the GBC is never going to allow these women to have a big important post, a big important zone, or a lot of followers, it is simply a little bit of window dressing meant to appease some of the alienated women who already got fried with these "men gurus." It is an appeasement -- where the women will always get the short end of the stick anyway.
And yep, their whole focus now is India. They are no longer even going to try to make their "men's GHQ club" pedophile messiahs project fly in the West. Its pretty much Dead On Arrival already over here. Told ya! Well goody, we have enough bad karma going on in the USA already, we do not need the seriously hellish karma of burying pedophiles in the dham in India, you guys can keep that karma over there. Neine danke!
Did I forget to mention, even the media folks want to know why the GBC is still making pedophiles into their gurus?
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