ISKCON's Abuse Victims and the Karma Chakra

NMD: The Gurukulis need to repent and consider why they had such bad karma, and the abusers were just facilitating our karma, if we just chant Hare Krsna and trust in the GBC everything will work out as Krsna wants. There is no need to fight the system or try to bring up shameful topics like child abuse that only distracts the new sprit souls from gaining krsna prema.

Better we sit in our collective shame and try to understand it was Krsna's pastime for our betterment. The teachers were just facilitators sent by Krnsa into our lives to destroy the demonic nature that was in our hearts as young children, so that we could truly surrender to the movement and GBC when we properly mature in our spiritual understanding.

Before you become critical of leadership and the advanced devotees that have dedicated their lives to ISKCON. Better to think about what you could have done better at 5,6,7 years old, take responsibility for your lives. 

[PADA: Here we go again, many / most (?) of the adult leaders and adult parents knew there was an abuse problem, but they largely never went to the police. In other words they did not take responsibility to resolve the issue. 

Whose job was that? I forgot, it is the job of the 5,6,7 years olds kids! The amount of brain washing going on here is simply astonishing. How many people think 5,6,7 years old children need to take responsibility for their situation? 

Sorry, young children, and even adult women, and cows and other dependents, are in fact dependent on being protected. They are not meant to be in charge of fighting for their own survival. No one at 5 years old is capable of defending themselves, and it is a misleading and specious argument to claim they are. The adult leaders and parents fumbled the ball, not the 5 years old victims. This is just blame shifting to the victims.]

Did you attract the abuse through your actions, was it past karma that you needed to burn off, were you Lusty as a child and therefore attracting the sexual attention of the adults that were caring for you?

[PADA: Lusty children caused their abuse? And lusty women -- who were just walking down the street to buy a bag of potato chips -- attracted their attackers? Ummm, nope, the perps were lusty and the victims, not. Plus, most children have no idea what sex desire is, or what sexual activity is etc. Again, victim shaming.]

Please stop going after others in leadership, the members of the GBC and the Guru's of ISKCON are not responsible for the accidental fall downs of a few fallen souls this is Maya confusing you, take responsibility what could you have done better. Maybe it's time to forgive the horrible abuse and understand they were young men and women just doing there best to serve Prabhupada.

[PADA: Serving a homosexual and pedophile guru process is not serving Krishna. Why do we have to keep repeating that?]

There is truly no need for leadership to take responsibility for any sexual or physical abuse that "might" have occurred in a moment of forgetfulness of Krishna.

[PADA: If there is a mass child abuse process, then the leaders are the primary problem. They are in charge.]

The faithful men and woman in the GBC and leadership of ISKCON have carefully analyzed the evidence and found for the most part it was the actions of the children and Lusty woman that had demonic tendency that attracted the abuse into their lives, therefore it is not necessary for anyone at a any level of leadership to take responsibility for any abuse that "may" have occurred.

Ask yourself why should a spiritual leader, teacher, or Guru who may bring millions of dollars into the organization need to repent or in anyway, why change his mentality for a momentary fall down. It's is better that we accept that they are empowerd by Krsna,

Karma dosen't apply to the advanced souls who have surrender, they are above this system Krsna created. The fallen householders, gurukulis, women and children of ISKCON -- this lower class of devotee have failed to understand their humble position has servant of the servant and their duty to follow the empowered Guru.

All glories to ISKCON and Srila Prabhupadas "true" dedicated followers.

V Devi Dasi: I see exactly what you’re saying - this is the very narratives that are problematic, placing blame on the child, or the victim, and gaslighting them.

[PADA: This is almost the same argument an ex-devotee gave me here in Berkeley. He started eating hamburgers, citing that Kali Yuga's cows already have the karma to be made into hamburgers, so he has no karma by eating them. He is karma free, the cow is the main carrier of bad karma. That is not really how the process works. A cow may have that karma, but once we engage in eating the cow, now the karma chakra has spread to ourself. Same process with the child abuse. 

Even if the victims have bad karma, the interaction karma still comes back to the perps, and in ISKCON, the karma comes back to their entire infrastructure of institutional abuse system of webs, nests, cover ups, apologists, deniers, putting them into posts like Lokanath etc. 

And if this is about an institution, and there is a systemic institutional infrastructure of abuse, then karma will spread to the entire institution. And it has. 

As for the GBC doing the best they could, yes they tried their best to have us banned, beaten, sued, chased with bats, and we would have no longer been on the planet without FBI arresting one of the people they sent to take me out. All this is now the history, and I am being interviewed by an investigation TV show as we speak, and that is the question they ask me, why were you banned, beaten, chased with bats, threatened to be sued, and the police had to arrest the people sent to take you off the planet, if they were sincerely trying to address the abuse issue? 

And as for the children, I do not think this was their karma, I think this was imposed upon them by deviants, and then the deviants tried to take me and Sulochana away, which is simply another deviation in their infrastructure, taking down the messenger. It is my karma as well? We don't know, but we do know that they are engaged in conscious deviation, and they still are in the Lokanath case. ys pd]

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