CKD: I absolutely feel current iskcon ideas and thinking patterns are very, very toxic control methods -- after long study and hearing many testimonies from devotees. I am now convinced that some senior members of ISKCON intentionally poisoned Srila Prabhupada in order to grab the reigns of his institution, and then they could usurp the men, money, buildings, control -- and power -- for their self aggrandizement and profit.
That is the very dark foundation of what they created when he left. It appears in the wake of that dark event -- so many nasty, strange, manipulative slogans and jargons were created to make devotees obey the usurper gurus. Maybe not all the GBC were aware of what really happened, but they did participate in the false propaganda so they could get a slice of the stolen bread.
So there is a very dark, maybe subterranean hellish mood of a shadowy nature eating away at ISKCON. Well that's my impression? What else can explain the dark situation ISKCON is in at the moment -- with its leaders acting like mafia men and being so cold and uncaring about abused children, and the suffering of so many thousands and thousands of ex-members, including those who joined in the 80s.
These members were forced to do marathon after marathon for money for temples, temples that they were not even allowed to live in, they lived in vans? Those temples are now desolate and empty, the deities are not cared for properly in many cases. The big kirtans have stopped, and the devotees are gone due to being abused in so many ways, disappointed by the fake guruship program.
And worse, these exploited victims are labelled to be -- in maya? Very crafty, cruel and mean minded treatment, and very abusive, and a typical cult mentality. Prove me wrong? I lived through it.
I was forced to take initiation from Jayatirtha, but later I took diksha outside of iskcon, and now I am condemned and considered disloyal by the despot leaders, how kind of them? I joined in 1978 and gave my youth selling books and paintings under their leadership, but now I am discarded like trash when I no longer want to serve in that way?
I take responsibility for allowing myself to be cheated for so long by iskcon leaders. I should have begged Krishna to show me what's really going on? Now by His grace I see more clearly. That's, my opinion at the moment, truth usually has deeper levels.
Why did Krishna allow this? Was it the perfect lessons we all needed to learn from? We are all used by the beautiful mystic power of the mysterious Lord of our hearts who wants us to love unconditionally, this type of selfless love is our highest natural place, it is not attained by pop star guru worship or giving money for big empty ghost town temples. Only by real love and affection in real service to the Holy names?
However, that's quite a heavy point eh? Our nice Founder Acharya, who brought Caitanya Mahaprabhu's message -- was poisoned to allow these thugs to take over -- just contemplate that for a moment?
[PADA: Very nice analysis. When we first brought out the poison case, even some of the so-called ritviks tried to stop me from exposing it. People like Krishna Kant Desai, Kamsahanta, Adridharana and others said "we will lose our buildings in India if this gets out in India."
So they think the GBC's buildings where pedophiles are being worshiped -- are their buildings? That means they identify with the pedophile acharyas program and they don't even care that Srila Prabhupada is complaining of being poisoned. So there are a lot of steel framed hearts in even the so-called ritviks.
Anyway, all sorts of people, including many so-called ritviks -- said me bringing out the poison issue was never going to be accepted widely -- and I would be branded as a mad, crazy fool. That is clearly not the case. More and more and more people are accepting the poison issue every day. And the people who opposed us are looking more and more like the mad, crazy, foolish and -- compromised lot.
All of this is a test, and the people who fail to object to the Judas party, and the attackers of pure devotees, and the attackers of devotee women and children, will be judged as compromised with that agenda. And moreover their compromise is now self evident in ISKCON because -- their enabling and allowing the deviants to take the post of guru has made ISKCON into an empty ghost shell, and everyone who participated by commission or omission is part of that.
Will the poison issue eventually be accepted widely? Yep, it is going to be accepted more and more and more widely as time goes on. And after they poisoned the founder, they poisoned his society, this all fits together hand in glove. It is very sad that we had to "prove" this poison issue happened, at all.
And it is also very sad so many "senior devotees" tried to suppress me for bringing it out, or me bringing out the molesting issue etc. They are evidently compromised with the Judas sabha. The good news is, more people are waking up. That cannot be stopped by anyone at this stage.
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M Dasi: I think it is now clear that Srila Prabhupada wanted to take maybe millions of residents of planet earth to a higher plane. Maybe he could get them to the higher planets of the saints and sages, or the planet of Narada Muni, or maybe even Vaikuntha.
ReplyDeleteWhereas much of the leaders of ISKCON wanted the exact opposite ... to have people of earth take future birth ... back to planet earth. Or perhaps they could take people to the lower planets, much, much lower than planet earth. So these two plans were not compatible, therefore he had to be poisoned ... to get him out of the way of their real plans.
I think that is how this will be seen by future history writers ... because we see it already.
I also think that when we go to India we find many old ladies bow down to anyone who wears saffron ... they are rather sentimental to any person dressed as a saint. Lokanath is just like one of those sentimental village level old ladies. He sees someone dressed in saffron and he does not even know ... or even care ... if this person is a pedophile or not ... he has no discrimination.
He just bows down like these old ladies to anyone and everyone without bothering to check their credentials. And! That is why they put him in charge ... they want some village level ... mentally slower person ... who has no actual spiritually developed brains ... how to discriminate ... to be their guru. That way the "ICC managers" can manipulate him and his followers and keep their money making program going. He is their cash cow puppet ... but he does not realize being their cash cow puppet means ... he still takes the karma of that foolish group with him. He is a small minded village type with not much discrimination ... so that is why he is not fully to blame for this ... but he does share in the karma of their whole program because ... just being ignorant does not save people who commit sins ... he will still partake in all their sins ... and his ignorance will not save him.
And he will be getting the karma of serving the people who poison pure devotees ... which is way worse than the karma of being the Beef Plant President, by billions of percent worse.