Bhakti P Writes: Relativization of the ISKCON Guru

Bhakti P Writes: Relativization of the Guru

The relativization (making the guru a mundane, non-absolute and relative truth) of the initiator diksha guru resulted in every type of confusion inside ISKCON.

[PADA: Correct, the demons like to create confusion, because then people are easier to exploit.] 

Relativization:

The act or result of making relative or regarding as relative rather than absolute.

-- Some ISKCON gurus claim that they are bringing their disciples to God acting as "the current links in the Srila Prabhupada guru line" -- he is the founding acharya -- and they are his successor acharyas. For example, someone like Jayapataka says he is the direct descending link member of the parampara and the direct successor of Krishna -- and so they use titles like Vishnupada, Acharyapada, Gurupada, Krishnapada, Tirthapada and so forth. 

And some say that they are simply introducing disciples to Srila Prabhupada, who

is the actual absolute current current link, and they are acting as his non-absolute agents --bringing them back to God (almost ritvik philosophy). Hanumat Prakesh for example makes it clear he is only the agent and not the acharya. So he is almost like a ritvik.

Some gurus say Srila Prabhupada is still the current acharya, others they say he's not; while a couple of them claimed to be the only "one rising moon acharya successor to Srila Prabhupada." And at one stage -- the GBC was considering making Lokanath the sole successor acharya, and all the other GBCs gurus would have to be his subordinate helpers. 

Of course many of them did not want to be the subordinated helpers of Lokanath -- so that plan was abandoned. But at least they did know that having many independent acharyas is not a working plan, it cannot be managed when everyone thinks they are the acharya -- and they are not accountable to anyone else.

Some ISKCON gurus believe still that Srila Prabhupada had named 11 acharya successors (a legend that was recently reported as a fact in the LA Times). 

Others say that he has only appointed 11 ritviks, but that would have had to turn into full blown acharyas in 1978 -- taking them from the 'tiny' plane to the absolute plane automatically. No explanation is ever given why 11 people would be turned into acharyas automatically, or why weren't the other 5,000 disciples also automatically diksha gurus as well. Why only the 11? 

And then it turns out, the 11 were not qualified to be acharya. So it looks like they are trying to discredit Krishna and Srila Prabhupada for not making proper acharya successors. And they have discredited ISKCON terribly by doing that. The reputation of the society is in terrible condition because they made their artificial 11 acharyas. Then they said the 11 will vote in more gurus. How can the bogus 11 vote in another group of acharyas -- like Bhakti vikas swami?

As soon as the GBC re-established Bhavananda as their guru, Bhakti Vikas said he too wanted a certificate from them. So he wanted a certificate from their illicit sex guru sampradaya, instead of condemning that sampradaya as bogus. 

Immediately after his departure the other 5,000 disciples -- those that weren't just the 11 -- would have had to to be voted in as "acharya" with a lowercase. They would never be given the more exalted status of the 11. They were acharyas, but lesser class acharyas, sort of like ritviks for the higher 11 acharyas. I think right now Kadamba is the ritvik of Jayadvaita, he initiates, but on behalf of Jayadvaita. Why are there capital A acharyas and minor a acharyas?

So all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples could become gurus, but never as exalted as the 11, only lower status gurus (except women apparently).

And some think -- Srila Prabhupada will be the exclusive diksha guru for ISKCON -- for the whole period in which the ISKCON association will exist. I tend to accept that idea, or at least it is much more sensible than anything else promoted so far. 

Madhudvisa: "Is there any way for a Christian, without the help of a spiritual master, of reaching the spiritual world believing in the words of Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?"

Srila Prabhupada: "I'm not following."

Tamala Krishna Goswami: "Can a Christian in this era without a spiritual master, but reading the Bible, and following the words of Jesus, reach the..."

Srila Prabhupada: "When you read the Bible, you follow the spiritual master.
How can you say without? As soon as you read the Bible, this means you are following Jesus Christ -- which means you're following the spiritual master. So where is the opportunity to be without the spiritual master?"

Madhudvisa: "I was talking about a living spiritual master."

Srila Prabhupada: "The spiritual master, there is no question that he... the
spiritual master is eternal. The spiritual master is eternal ... So your question is 'without the spiritual master'. You cannot remain without spiritual master in any status of life. You could accept this spiritual master or that. That's a different thing. But you have to accept. You say that 'reading the Bible', when you read the Bible, that means you're following the spiritual master represented by some priest
or ecclesiastical person in the line of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(SP Morning Walk, 2/10/68, Seattle)

Indradyumna swami and his little girls obsession

[PADA: Yes, as soon as ISKCON GBC folks like Bhakti Vikas swami (BVKS) finds a nice illicit sex with men, women, children, taxi drivers (and cats?) guru parampara, he falls off his seat and thinks he has seen the second coming of Jesus. He says that these deviated people are diksha gurus who can absorb sins like Jesus, and he follows their system that pedophiles and / or sex with cats gurus are fit for being worshiped in samadhis in the dham. 

That way, little kids can go to the dham and offer their obeisances to Srila Prabhupada's samadhi -- and then they can then walk over a short distance and offer obeisances to BVKS's pedophiles, sex with cats, porno swamis et al. sampradaya's samadhis. 

Then BVKS says we cannot be like the bogus Christian ritviks, evidently because they do not worship pedophiles and sex with cats in samadhis in their holy land. We have to find a nice guru parampara that is having sex with everything in the house, including the cats, then BVKS thinks he has found the bona fide representation of God, diksha gurus -- i.e. equals to Jesus. 

Sex with cats are diksha gurus -- equals to Jesus in the BVKS system? And anyone who objects is banned, beaten, sued, and -- killed. Then they make pretend they do not know why so many kids are alienated and committing suicide, but they know very well because this is what they have been planning and orchestrating for decades.

Many of the senior Prabhupada devotee parents were also brainwashed by the 11. A number of them also got into my face and were yelling at me when I was helping their own children with the Turley lawsuit. Some of them said they were going to disown their own kids. 

There has been a sort of acquiescing and even defending of the whole child molesting webs and nests apparatus by many people. This did not happen in a vacuum. 

I wrote to all sorts of leaders and they did not care and worse, I was told by a number of people -- including many parents and many leaders, if there is a problem, take us to court. So when we did take them to court, then they started a screaming match with me complaining that I followed their orders to take them to court, which means, the suicides would have gotten worse -- and none of them would have done nothing, ever. They wanted their own children to die evidently.

Almost zero percent of these crimes were ever taken to the police, and that is why many of the victims are alienated not only from ISKCON, but from their own parents. Of course later on some parents apologized and thanked me for helping their kids, but not a whole lot of them. 

Then we have guys like PATITA PAVAN DAS (Miles Davis the astrologer). When Kirtanananda was whacked over the head with a pipe, he comes to the temple asking us to pray for his favorite pedophile messiah, who is seated on a gold throne wearing a crown -- covered with the hands of dozens of boys. 

Patita Pavan is upset that his "pedophiles in heaven" program is being disturbed. And then he says Indradyumna is doing a great job, of being covered with little girls? As soon as the CBS TV news lady saw Kirtanananda sitting on a big gold seat covered with the hand of many little boys, she told me -- this is pedophile heaven. That means people like Patita Pavan das mistake pedophile heaven for actual heaven with Krishna.  

So a lot of these problems were self inflicted by bad managing, and many acquiescing supporters. However, it is now becoming more and more and more self evident, ISKCON should have made Srila Prabhupada the Jesus of ISKCON, and had the rest of us acting as laymen, at best clerics. That would have worked, and that is the only system that will ever work going forward. Even Bhakti P can figure all this out without any help from us ... 

ys pd]