PADA: Janmastami [far right green shirt]. Still insists I am a CIA and FBI agent plant, who was all the time talking to another informant, Randal Gorby. OK none of the FBI ever talked to me until AFTER the Sulochana murder, and they were less than helpful and more or less shut down my complaints.
As a result, they gave immunity to Ramesvara's people, and made us lose the chance to bring in the other leaders. I never talked to Randal Gorby in my whole life. Janmastami was in Berkeley trying to find us, but somehow he didn't.
The Berkeley Police were helping me, and perhaps they put a tail on him and saved me. But it goes to show how these people cannot admit fault, I am the bad guy, and they are not. Sorry, you are the bad guys and you gave us a bad name to justify taking us out. Saying I am a CIA agent has been a complaint I hear all the time from these ISKCON clone groupies. That is how they justify defending the regime, and nullifying our complaints. And that is how they put thousands of children into extreme peril, by their nullifying our complaints.
RH: There is of course a plan for why Henry is doing that. He is very active on Facebook and posts two to three posts every day. It's all about driving away the Western devotees and suggesting to the Western devotees that Srila Prabhupada is responsible for all the chaos. Henry attacks Prabhupada.
The aim, as you can already see, is to leave the empty Western temples to imported Russian devotees, Indian devotees, South American devotees, and African devotees. The ISKCON elite does not want European and American devotees within the movement. He also says that it was the only right thing to do that Sulocana was killed. Henry definitely was an infiltrator and never a devotee.
PADA: OK the first problem is that Henry -- and actually many thousands and thousands of others -- if not millions of others in the mass public media -- were being told -- by many of the disciples of Srila Prabhupada -- that Kirtanananda is "a pure devotee and Krishna's living guru successor" no less.
So it was not actually Henry himself who started the false propaganda process of misrepresenting Srila Prabhupada, it was [and still is largely] the so-called followers of Srila Prabhupada -- who sold Henry a dangerously flawed used car with a leaking gas tank.
And then they gave Henry a box of matches to light up -- to look under the car for the leak. In other words, Henry -- and thousands of others like him -- are victims of the mass bogus propaganda that Kirtanananda is a pure devotee. That does not fully excuse mistakes he is making now, but the original root cause of his making mistakes currently -- was and still is -- the mass of Srila Prabhupada disciples who all flocked to New Vrndavana to prop up Kirtanananda, and to tell Henry that Kirtanananda is the authorized agent of no less than God Almighty.
Sulochana was also one of the "Prabhupada" people who went there, along with many seniors and big GBC leaders who were all going there, and advertising KS's West Virginia project as "the heart and soul of ISKCON" etc. Satsvarupa for example was writing glorification of Kirtanananda, and this was printed in all of the ISKCON mass medias at the time. And later some of the GBC folks buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi for the same reason, he STILL IS being promoted as a pure devotee in samadhi even today -- by many ISKCON people, yes even today.
Henry was thus sold a bad product, and now he is complaining about the product. And that surprises people? Have any of these Henry critic people talked to some of the ex-gurukula students around here to find out what is their opinion of the religion? Lets just say, while Henry might give ISKCON a one star plus rating, many of these ex-kids here would give ISKCON a minus five star rating. If you would read the "review of ISKCON" of some of these ex-kids, your hands would get blistered from the fire on the pages of their words. So Henry's complaints are very mild compared to many other victims.
OK I agree, that is not a license to speak ill of ISKCON, but I am not sure what the mass of "senior Srila Prabhupada devotees and leaders" expected when they heavily and insistently promoted their Mott Street boyfriend's club's pals, Andy Warhol's disciples, Timothy Leary's disciples etc. as "Krishna's guru successors." You mean they actually expected they could cheat Krishna -- and make fools and debauchees into His successors -- and then they could cheat people like Henry, and there would be no resulting reactions?
We can give thousands and thousands of people a dangerous used car with a leaking gas tank, and give them a box of matches to find the leak, and nothing will explode? And when their dangerous car explodes, it is the fault of Henry, who was given their bad car along with the matches? Sorry, this is called blaming the victim.
So when a Motel has a bunch of drunks and prostitutes staying there, and bed bugs and rats are in the rooms, can they expect a five star review? Why would the motel managers even expect that? And why would they be upset at getting a one star review, when many other customers are giving them a minus five stars?
So at one time there was allegedly 300 devotee families at New Vrndavana, including Sulochana's. But apart from Sulochana and Henry, who even bothered to write ANY history of what was going on there? Who even bothers to explain what happened there, never mind apologize for being part of the false program?
Therefore I think the writings of Henry are useful -- because he explains a lot of the day to day process that was going on there, as well as -- he fingers "who is who," and especially who is who -- are the literal "shot callers" on Sulochana's murder and numerous other crimes. That information needs to be known.
Now one thing that has come up after all this is, some of the biggest critics of Henry are still citing Kirtanananda's clan as their authority. For example Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad, HKC Jaipur, Kailasa chandra and his minions, yep every day for years on end they cite Kirtanananda's people -- that me and Sulochana had been drunks and sahajiyas. Ditto what Kirtanananda's people said.
Oddly Kailasa's people are saying I am not giving proper credit to Henry, for his exposing that Kailasa is Kirtanananda's puppet clone parrot since 1986, calling us drunks and sahajiyas -- which Sulochana said they are doing to make him a target. No, we give all credit to Henry for exposing that Kailasa and others have always been in bed with Kirtanananda the whole time, citing his slogans and ideas. Mukunda for example says Henry is a demon, while Mukunda has been saying that Kirtanananda is his authority, Puranjan is a drunken sahajiya.
So Kailasa and Mukunda are still citing as their authority the same people who are posing as gurus while having oral sex with young males, and they are thinking we are the bad guys? They never stopped promoting Kirtanananda's stuff. Kirtanananda opposed us for suing them over the molesting, so does the Mukunda and Kailasa crew etc. They never left Kirtanananda, and neither has official ISKCON.
OK that means they are still in bed with Kirtanananda's crew even today. For example Prahlad's pals [Pancali etc.] in New Zealand wrote that I am drinking every day, and that means they are still disciples of Kirtanananda even now. Kailasa chandra and minions are STILL saying me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas every day since 1986, because they are still in the Kirtanananda camp direct or de facto etc.
So they are "for Srila Prabhupada," but still in bed with Kirtanananda's propaganda. Then they wonder why people like Henry are confused? Because you guys created all this confusion, and Henry, and thousands of others are victims of your propaganda. And when the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Kailasa Chandra etc. folks were attacking me as a drunk and sahajiya, who has to come to my rescue and defense?
Yep, it is Henry. He said it does not matter if a person is "not strictly following" when he is pointing out defects and crimes. Duh! When thousands of kids are being abused, me drinking a beer while watching TV is not the problem! Of course, I am not taking any intoxicants, drinking a beer would make me throw up, they just say that to make us targets so they can get us assassinated.
In sum! People are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and shot to death, and that is not the problem, the problem is -- I am a drunken sahajiya! Which is, wait for it, what Kirtanananda's people said! Sorry, you guys have to get out of Kirtanananda's bed before you can say one word about anyone else, whether me or Henry or anyone else. In sum, wake TFU! And if you actually want to help people like Henry, and the thousands of others you misguided, then quit being hypocrites and admit you have been in the wrong bed all this time. ys pd
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Mukunda is still confusing people:
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:45:25 PM UTC+1 Jyestha Yuga wrote:
Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.). Reading portions in the sample at weblink, there are sections in the book/s etc by Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whiteley, where there are claims and rants against Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) directly blaming, Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr), on account of his, Christo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr). I don't believe this is the right thing to do when discussing Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).
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PADA: Yeah, they wanted to "fix" us dissenters as the real problem. When I went to Rathayatra a few years ago -- Trivrikrama swami approached me and he was very angry with me, he greeted me with -- "Holy f**k's sake, you still walking around the planet -- when you should be six feet under already." I said, "Nice to see you too maharaja." In other words, they are evidently not upset with the perps, their enablers, and all the child mistreatment webs and nest infrastructure builders, they are mainly angry -- that they are being exposed. One child victim told me after they broke his arm, they shoved a loaded pistol in his face and told him not to ever say how this happened. Unfortunately for them, that tactic did not work very well for them when they tried a similar approach on myself. But this is correct, how could all this go on for decades and the same people who originated the entire process are still many of the same people there now. OK so now they are old, which proves what? They don't even feel enough remorse to resign in shame and quit exploiting the society even after being exposed over and over and over. And that is why some folks say they are psychopathic narcissists, or worse. So we should just expose them, that is our best option. They don't want a change because the status quo has given them a Saudi Prince's jet set opulent life, why would they want to renounce that now? ys pdangel108b@yahoo.com
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