Old Ramesvara Video / Mathura Pati / Soul Killers / We Are Not The Body 02 21

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SRILA RAGE-ISVARA

PADA: Ok looks like Raghunath was in the Ramesvara program. 

Sulochana was uncovering abuse in that program.

This may be where Raghunath and Varaha Mims connected?

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PADA'S "Monkey On A Stick" media show interview.

I really won't give many details of what we discussed at this stage. But in general, much of what I said is -- what I also say regularly herein. I will report any new developments about the hopeful release dates and so on -- when they are available. Stay tuned! And yeah, they think my testimony is reliable and mostly "legally sound," while many other devotees -- not so much, because they would like to re-write history their own way [by being dishonest]. ys pd 

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Thanks Mathura Pati [Prabhupadanugas EU]!

As soon as we said there is a mass molesting problem, you guys came out to say Puranjan is a liar and offender. Yeah you were not there at the time, but you now cite the people who were calling us liars at the time, like Laksmi and Bhakta das etc., which means you are a with the team of defenders of pedophile gurus -- second generation. In other words you are molester defender's disciples.

And Mukunda's pal Sanat [Steve Voith] was one of the people there at the time, and he told me he found out all the kids in his Satsvarupa school were molested [his wife was one of the teachers], and she and he did not call the police. So you are with the people who do not report child molesting to save your pedophile guru friends, as we just had to explain to another media TV program. 

You lament you could not help your molester guru program then, so you are helping it now. Then your victims are saying bad things about Prabhupada to Windle Turley, because your people told these kids all this is what Prabhupada wanted -- he wanted us -- not to contain abuse.  

And you are promoting Laxmi, because she was sending children to worship your guru Kirtanananda. You are promoting Bhakta das -- because he promotes Radhanath, a lover of your guru Kirtanananda. You are promoting Prahlad because he says Kirtanananda is correct, we are sahajiyas. You are saying what the pedophile defenders said back then, because you are with them now. 

You are promoting Mukunda, because he said on his site he wanted to see the ISKCON children -- killed and chopped up in "a bloodbath in Dallas" so he could convince the courts -- and your children victims -- you Krishna guys are psychopath child exterminators. Then you wonder why these victims have a bad attitude about the religion? You guys are the cause of that bad attitude. The children were infuriated with you guys then, and even the courts said, these Krishna people [ok you guys] are children haters. You just confirmed that you still are.   

You are still with the people saying that we should publicly say that Prabhupada wanted his children killed, chopped up and fed to dogs, and that is your guys idea of what Prabhupada wanted. OK so you are not only defenders of pedophiles, you want to have your victims threatened, which means you are saying Prabhupada wanted us to promote pedophiles -- and then threaten the victims -- with death. 

Why are you guys saying you wanted to save your pedo cult by threatening children with death, and then claiming this is what Prabhupada wants? Prabhupada wanted you guys to promote saying we should kill and chop up children, ok then, you wonder why the children say the religion is evil. Because you guys are evil and you are mispresenting the religion. 

Yep, Krishna always wanted people to kill and chop up children, and these are your pals. Then you wonder why people end up hating Krishna? Thanks to you guys, some of the ex-kulis here eat hamburgers. And you are proud you guys do that to children? You guys killed their souls.

Why are you always promoting the Kirtanananda / GBC cheer leader folks? You don't know by now, since you are a promoter of the promoters of pedo gurus, that makes you a promoter of pedophile gurus as well. OK and everyone else knows. People are thus asking me, "Why is this Mathura guy always promoting the promoters of pedo gurus"? Yeah he also promotes the people who want to chop up and kill his cult's child victims, to save his pedo pals. 

Your pal Bhakta das says we are discussing stools. Some victims said -- that means he is calling us victims as "stools," because PADA is discussing us -- the victims. Then you say -- you are not calling the victims stools -- that is my speculation idea. Nope. I am quoting the victims. Now you are saying the victims are liars, which is what your molesters and perps pals also say. No you guys are saying the children are useless stools, because they said you are. 

The victims are not liars, you guys are in fact calling them useless stools, as you have all along. And that is why you are doing the happy dance to hear they are dying. You want to have more blood on your jack boots. And that is what THEY said about YOU guys.

Why do you always promote the pedo guru people's cheer leaders? And now you are saying anyone who worships Prabhupada is a crazy man, which is what Tamal says. You are his best disciple. Of course you currently promote Laxmi because she was sending kids to worship your oral sex with boys gurus. Why do you always promote the people who promote pedophile sex gurus? You don't even know that pedophiles are not messiahs?

And Laxmi is "sane" for promoting your pedo gurus, and we are "crazy" for promoting Prabhupada. You are saying what the GBC says. Of course, why do you keep saying your fellow promoters of pedo gurus are reliable and sane? Wow, so you are saying that promoting your oral sex with boys gurus is the "sane" example. Same as the GBC says. 

That is how your ilk types created the Turley lawsuit, your ilk promoted these pedo gurus and your ilk still are promoting their cheer leaders now. So now you are upset, you were not here to join Laxmi in promoting your pedo gurus in the 1980s, so you just glorify the Bhakti pedo people promoters [like Laxmi] now -- who were there at that time. That just means you are not happy you were not there to help your pedo gurus then. And your pal Sanat does not report any of this even to the other parents, so it just goes on with you guys.

You also never explain why you keep saying worship of Prabhupada is crazy talk, and we should listen to the people who have been promoting oral sex with boys gurus -- like your "credible source" Laxmi has been doing? And yeah, we had to sue your oral sex with boys guru's program because your victims were committing suicide. Why do you want us to allow children to die to make your pedo guru program work?    

Why are you obsessed with promoting pedo gurus and / or their cheer leaders? Then, after your guys promoted pedo gurus, you are upset your gurus were sued, because yours [and Laxmi's] program's children victims were -- dying?  

And yeah, the Turley case stopped the dying almost to nil, and you pedo guru lovers don't like it, because you wanted these children to continue to die. You are the ring lead of promoting the pedo guru people, and they caused the Turley case. You keep advertising the cheer leaders of the pedo guru program on your site, every day. Anyway, you are promoting the people who say we should send our kids to worship pedos, and then you are promoting the people who said we should threaten the victims with being chopped up -- to silence them. OK that is what all Satanic pedo cult do? The question is, why are you serving Satan?

The IRM told me, don't sue the GBC, let the children die. And you are citing them. Who authorized you to make people suffer and die? And we had hundreds of kids pulled out of your pedo schools, and you wanted them to stay there. So that means you are upset we cut your pipeline of future victims.

Why do children always have to die for your guys plans to work? And now you are making smiley faces at the fact you wanted children to be -- dead. You wanted children to die, and your response is -- a smiley face? And I am the crazy one?  

OK. That is why we have to talk to the media people, they know that you pedo guru lover guys wanting child molesting and suicides to continue is -- evil. And you cannot believe how bad the media folks react when we tell them you pedo lover guys threaten to chop up your victims. And that makes you the Talmudic Satanic folks. Sorry, anyone who takes pleasure in seeing molesting and suicides of children continue -- like you and your pals -- are part of the GBC's Satanic agenda. 

No normal person likes to see children continue to get molested and die of suicide, except black arts Satanists. And that is why a number of your program's victims tell me, you people are a Satanic child sacrifice cult. They are right. I am with them. Even your friend Raghunath said, you people need to be sued, you are evil. And later on Naranaryan said, yeah the lawsuit was required -- it saved lives. 

You guys don't want to see children saved, you want to see them molested, or even be chopped up, and die. And you are just upset we put a block on your program. Anyway, we are making another media event to expose you guys, and let the public find out who you guys really are and how you operate. And when you say all this is what Prabhupada wanted, no wonder your victims are against Prabhupada. You made them against Prabhupada. And that is why more people are telling me, you guys are killers of the souls -- of these children.

Wow. The court had to take these children out of your guys hands to save them from molesting and death. No wonder you guys are not happy, your molester guru cult was exposed and contained. If this was all lies, as you guys and Tamal said, why did none of you go to court and prove that? Anyway, I have been dealing with complaints about me saving children from molesting and suicides all along. It means you guys are not happy we saved children -- from your Satanic program.  

ys pd

PADA: Yes prabhu, after Hansadutta and Laxmi sent everyone to New Vrndavana, Sulochana said -- I have to leave Berkeley, they will get me here. So in other words, Hansadutta was working with Sulochana's murderers. 

Sulochana is correct. And that is evidently why Prabhupadanugas EU loves Laxmi, they think the party of murderers of Sulochana are bona fide and authorized, and not us. In other word, they want to glorify the people who have devotees murdered for objecting to their pedo cult. 

And they are also working with Bhakta das, who glorifies Radhanath. And Radhanath has been credited with paying to have Sulochana offed. So yes, Prahbupadanugas EU is working hand in hand with Vaishnava murderers. And as soon as I said that Prabhupada was poisoned, they said this is the ranting of a mad man, because they are also in love with people who kill pure devotees and they wanted to defend Judas by discrediting us. Yep, you got it. ys pd  

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Oh yeah, Mathura Pati's pals sent me this one:

THE SECOND COMING OF HITLER WILL RISE IN AMERICA!!!

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America is now getting closer and closer to the position of Germany just after the first world war, before Hitler came into power. The difference between Germany then and America now is that not only do American’s with their natural revolutionary spirit have the right to bear arms, but they are also blessed by the appearance of a pure devotee of the Lord on their land. His powerful spiritual message has also purified their hearts to various degrees, so when the second Hitler like figure comes amongst them, to lead them, then their power will be unstoppable.

Bodily platform ki-jaya sir! Can't make this stuff up! And we are the crazy ones? Heh heh heh! ys pd

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PADA: Yeah prabhu, I agree -- many thousands of lives were destroyed -- all so a few people could live like Saudi princes for a few years. They did not care if women, children or brahmanas suffered; or if ISKCON suffered and went bankrupted; or if the public was fried etc. Actually nothing really matters to them -- except making an elite guru cabal that can live opulently with private residences, servants and worship.  

And I call them "killers of the soul" -- because these GBC's gurus "killed the souls" -- of thousands of children -- and "killed the souls" of many thousands of adults. And in sum they wholesale destroyed the spiritual lives -- and often many time material lives -- of countless people. All that so a few of them could live opulently, and that is still all that matters to them.

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PADA: Srila Prabhupada vs women's bodies.

OK he did say that men in the West are obsessed with a woman's body, and thus they are simply attracted to -- a bag of blood, pus, mucous and stools. That is also true, because my friend works in post-op surgery as the clean up guy -- and he reports the same -- horrible things [which Prabhupada mentions] -- make up the material body. 

After the surgeries -- he has to go in there with plastic shovels and bag up all the left over parts. Sometimes there are smaller parts, and at other times there are larger parts -- like entire breasts, entire legs etc. And he then sponges up all the tables and floors to remove the remaining liquids, and puts it all into plastic bags -- and places all the bagged up remnants into a refrigerated unit. And he also sprays the walls -- because they believe particles are coming off from these bodies and into the walls. 

Their storage cooler is colder than a regular refrigerator, ok to keep the stink from forming. Then he has to heat dry all the surfaces to kill off any leftover organic materials, spray disinfectant, and get things ready for the next customer. Sometimes they rush the job -- because surgeries are going on all the time. 

All this has to be done soon -- otherwise all this stuff will deteriorate -- and quickly -- into a smelly bacteria pile -- degrading and -- "start to stink VERY badly in a short time, especially in warmer weather." Then a big refrigerated bio-hazard truck comes over to pick up the bags, where he thinks, the left overs are incinerated. OK, so they won't create a stink fest.

So yeah, the material body is -- in actual fact -- a pile of blood, pus, mucous, stools, and no small amount of smelly bacteria. Unfortunately, this idea is not something Srila Prabhupada alone has discussed or originated. It is a simple common sense understanding of the nature of the human body, basically known to anyone over the age of ten.  

And when we, the eternal spirit souls, get stuck into the womb of a material mother's body, whether bugs, humans or animals, our bodies are made of many millions of microscopic bacteria -- and there are a lot of microscopic bugs all over us etc. And our whole material body is in fact full of microscopic bacteria and bugs, maybe worms and what not. 

And all of this can be pretty gross and disgusting. And smelly! Again, not rocket science, well known all over the place. Someone sent me a video of them dragging the feet of their calf -- out of their cow giving birth. Yeesh pilgrims! Heaven's sakes -- and yikes! Yeah, we have a pretty gross condition with our material bodies! 

And Srila Prabhupada says we also have a "dog sniffing other dogs" society, and so on. I also don't know why that is such an alarming statement. We see dogs sniffing each other's genitals on the streets ourselves, and we know that sometimes Kali Yuga humans are doing the same type things. And comedians joke about this topic sometimes because, it is widely known that "genital licking" etc. is going on -- yes even in the so-called human society. And it is not a secret.

But yeah, then guys like Kirtanananda would over emphasize the "genital licking" of males with females quotes, because -- well to be honest -- he was a person who was licking the genitals of males. So he was making pretend all this was disgusting, while doing it himself -- with males. 

Living in San Francisco means, I have had a lot of gay friends. I even have had a number of gay devotee friends. And sometimes they tell me, most gay men love women, but some of them are the opposite -- they hate women -- and are misogynists -- because they are envious of women. Women are their competition. And I believe Kirtanananda is one of that group. So he would say nasty things about women, who are his competition. But that does not actually represent Srila Prabhupada's many other quotes on all these issues.

Meanwhile there are hundreds or even thousands of other quotes -- saying that men's and women's bodies are a temporary illusion, because we are all spirit souls -- temporarily trapped for a short time in various male and female bodies, along with 8,400,000 other bodies, also male and female, in a karma chakra of repeated births and deaths that we are taking over and over. So the real principle Srila Prabhupada emphasizes is, you are not that body! Male or female. You are a spirit soul, currently trapped in one of these bodies. 

And we better be careful and surrender to Krishna, or we will go back to being an actual dog -- and join the barking dogs and their genital sniffing society. And we could also switch genders and become a man or a woman, because the current temporary body we have is -- not our real identity.

So yeah, the Vedic tradition is -- women are like fire and men are like butter, and when they mix, it can create a binding factor that diverts them from Krishna. OK nothing new here, the Christians have had thousands of years of celibate monks and nuns, and various religions dress women in modest dress, or even cover their faces and so on. 

And sannyasas in India have tried to avoid association with women, really for thousands and thousands of years. This is not a new idea, or even an idea exclusive to Indian religion. Men and women overly mixing is not good for spiritual advancement, in -- ok just about any religion. 

So I believe that people like Kirtanananda cherry picked certain quotes to suit their agenda, while forgetting about the thousands and thousands of other quotes that -- male and female is an illusion -- a shell that contains the soul in a "liquid beauty" body for a temporary time, but that is not really our actual identity.

In sum, I do not believe Kirtanananda type people, or other misogynists in ISKCON, represent the actual view that Krishna wanted us to have. And if we understand that male and female body is just a VERY temporary shell for the eternal souls, and Krishna is riding along in these bodies along with our souls, we should be a lot more respectful to anyone, male or female. 

Anyway, we should not cherry pick a few quotes to make it look like we should oppress or disrespect anyone, even an ant, we should see all beings as Krishna's parts and parcels and act accordingly. ys pd 

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PADA: Sridhara Maharaja thought my protesting Jayatirtha was not sincere, and he said I was wrong and "none shoud protest." Then Jayatirtha removed me from ISKCON, citing Sridhara Maharaja. Later on, around 1984, I passed Jayatirtha on a narrow stairway, and it literally sucked my life airs out. He was surrounded by a giant ball of dark energy [the sins he has taken from followers]. I warned him in 1979 -- Srila Prabhupada says we will suffer if we take sins, and he thought I was being silly. In the end -- a disciple of his said -- he could see a giant dark ball of sinful things surrounding Jayatirtha, and he had a duty to remove that person from the planet to get rid of that giant dark ball of sins, and he did. In other words that disciple could see what I felt. So this was something I was just now discussing in my media interview which will be part of a new TV show and movie -- these neophytes were told repeatedly by Srila Prabhupada -- not to take sins, but they did anyway, to their peril. And Sridhara Maharaja was telling them they are gurus and they can take sins, but a conditioned soul cannot absorb the sins of another conditioned soul, and if he tries to do that, then there will be many tribulations, and we have witnessed them over and over. Of course the same things happened to Sridhara's 1936 guru, he fell badly as well, probably being overwhelmed by taking sins. ys pd
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