Bhakti Vikas Swami now a Ritvik? / Madhva Scholars 02 14 24

PADA: OK wait a minute. Bhakti Vikas swami has been acting as one of the chief supporters / defenders / apologists for the GBC / Jayapataka / Mayapur / mass molesting of children regime. Some children in the BVKS [GBC] "guru school" process report being in "Auschwitz for kids" no less. The BVKS pal's school's children were forced to worship BVKS's program's illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs. And then BVKS wonders why it ends so badly for so many children in his corrupt and perverted system. 

Meanwhile, those of us "dissenting" and reporting on the BVKS mass child abuse regime have been banned, beaten sued and even killed. Now, BVKS is trying to re-invent himself as a humble ritvik representative of the acharya. I am just a humble ritvik representative of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project! We only ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas. Any questions? 

And that is why my friends at the Berkeley police offered me a free bullet proof vest, just in case I encountered members of the BVKS guru program. Sorry, your regime is creating suffering, misery and death to thousands and thousands of devotees, especially children. And no, you are not acting as a minor league representative. 

You have been claiming you and your homosexual and pedophile pals are equals to Jesus, diksha gurus no less, who can absorb sins from others. Ummm, nope. People who take sins without authority will take birth as snakes. And the ex-disciples will take birth as ants, and when the guru -- now a snake -- goes over the ant hill, his ex-disciples will eat their snake guru alive. 

That is what Srila Prabhupada says will happen to fake gurus, never mind fake gurus who are voted into a homosexual and pedophile guru line that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills vaishnavas. You are not a representative of Prabhupada. 

You'll have us children / disciples of Prabhupada banned, beaten, sued and killed, never mind what happens to the gurukula children of Prabhupada's disciples in your tender mercies project. You are a representative of Kali and Beelzebub. And some of the ex-children victims of your process around here are telling me that they cannot wait for all of you guys to leave this planet, and go straight to Yamaraja, and quit being a burden on the planet here. ys pd

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And how have children been treated in the BVKS program's "Auschwitz for kids" "guru-schools"? This is a recent comment from a PADA associate:

***** : Very frankly, I think to call what these kids suffered "abuse" is accurate, but it's also a gross understatement. I think it'd be more accurate to state that these kids were TORTURED in various ways. Here's an example: I was told that these kids, toddlers, people under six years of age, were sometimes made to get inside of a large trash can and then the trash can would be filled with water. 

The kids would be made to tread water, in order to keep their heads above the surface, and would be warned that they'd drown if they stopped doing so. They'd be kept doing this for hours at a time, sometimes all night, being subjected to terror and sleep deprivation, and then would be made to go to mangal aarti the next morning. 

These kids would be beaten, too, in order to try to drive away their "lusty nature." In other words, the "senior devotees" would literally try to beat the sexuality out of these kids, even while sexually abusing some of those very children. Good God. This is some of the worst stuff I've ever heard, from a first hand source. Their own family would not torture their children in that way!

He told me other horrifying things; he told me that later in life he went through Marine Corps boot camp, and that he was yelled at less in boot camp, than he was as a small child in the gurukulas. I will not get into any details right now, but I feel like crying at the moment. I knew it was bad, but to hear it straight from the mouth of somebody who was there, and lived through it as a small child, is beyond distressing to me. 

This man is frankly lucky to be alive at all after going through their sadistic treatment. My GOD, the abuse that these kids were subjected to ... physical, emotional, spiritual, sexual, you name it ... and these kids suffered it. 

Now I am more fired up than ever, to push for positive change within that ecclesiastical bogus ISKCON organization. This is sh*t that makes Father Maciel and the Legionaries look like a bunch of damn choir boys. 

My God, My God. He is probably one of the kids in a gurukula photo I saw, he very well could be. I am glad I made him a new friend today, and I take it as a privilege that he was willing to speak with me, much less tell me all this stuff. So I will not identify him here, but thank you, friend.

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MADHVA SCHOLARS

"Srila Prabhupada is the Deliverer of all ISKCON Devotees"

By Chanchalapathi Dasa -ISKCON Bangalore

Recently I had the opportunity of interacting with a few scholars of Madhva sampradaya in Bangalore and Udupi. One of them was an elderly Sanskrit scholar, a seventy year old retired university professor, a respected teacher and follower of Madhva philosophy in Bangalore.

The discussion with him led to the subject of the theological differences between ISKCON Bangalore and ISKCON Mumbai.

In the course of the discussion, I asked the scholar: “In your sampradaya when upanayana is performed, as it is the practice, one may receive the Gayatri mantra from one’s father, uncle or grandfather – in such cases who is considered to be the deliverer of the candidate undergoing upanayana?”

He emphatically and proudly declared, “We are Madhvas! For all Madhvas, the deliverer is Sri Madhvacharya. He is our mula guru. We follow his siddhanta, his understanding, his teachings, his practices and hence he is our deliverer.”

“In case if one receives,” I continued, “the Gayatri mantra from one of sannyasis of the Madhva sampradaya, the head pontiff of a Matha, then who is considered to be the deliverer?”

He was still emphatic in his reply, “Even then the deliverer is Sri Madhvacharya alone.”

“Even if one has received the mantra from a sannyasi…?” I quizzed.

“Deliverance from the material world,” he continued, “and admittance to Vaikuntha is not a small matter. It requires exceptional spiritual qualifications and special blessings of the Lord. And for all Madhvas, Sri Madhvacharya is the one who has such powers from the Lord to deliver.”

“If Sri Madhvacharya is the deliverer,” I asked, “then what is the role played by the giver of the Gayatri mantra – may be the father, grandfather or even a sannyasi of the Madhva Matha?”

“All of them are acting as agents or representatives of Sri Madhvacharya.”

“Is this your own understanding or do all Madhvas hold this view?” was my next question.

“This is the correct understanding of all Madhvas for nearly eight centuries.” And he added further,

“This is so not only for the Madhvas, it is so for all the followers of Sri Ramanujacharya – their deliverer is Sri Ramanuja. Even for the followers of Sri Shankara, the understanding is that one who gives them brahma sayujya is Shankaracharya. There is no doubt about this.”

Next he went on to address our situation in ISKCON, “And for all the devotees of ISKCON since you follow the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, read his books, practice what he has taught, Srila Prabhupada is the deliverer for all ISKCON devotees.”

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This discussion with the Madhva scholar was soon after one of the mediation meetings some of us representing the ISKCON Bangalore group had in Mumbai with some of the senior members of the International GBC body of ISKCON Mumbai group. One of the important points of discussion was this: Is Srila Prabhupada the deliverer of every devotee of ISKCON?

We, from the ISKCON Bangalore group, had argued that Srila Prabhupada is and shall be the deliverer of all devotees of ISKCON and for all generations of ISKCON devotees in the future too. And we had urged that this fact should be emphasized and celebrated all over ISKCON.

But the senior members of ISKCON GBC contended that Srila Prabhupada is one of the transcendental agents and not the single agent. They had argued that the holy name, the Deities, the transcendental knowledge from the shastras, the present ISKCON gurus – all of them play a role; and ultimately Lord Krishna is the one who delivers all devotees.

Hence it is inappropriate, they reasoned, to ascribe this deliverer position to Srila Prabhupada alone. It was ironical that here was a Madhva scholar who was willing to recognize the position of Srila Prabhupada as the deliverer of all ISKCON devotees, which even the senior members of the GBC were unwilling to accept.
During the course of our discussions with the GBC members, we shared the following quotes of Srila Prabhupada to substantiate our arguments:

1. guru-rupe krishna kripa karena bhakta-gane

2. Lord Krishna in the form of the spiritual master delivers His devotees. (CC Adi 1.45)

This quote is particularly important. Even if one says that Lord Sri Krishna is the ultimate deliverer of all devotees, this verse says how Lord Krishna delivers his devotees: in the form of the spiritual master, Lord Krishna delivers.

2. “Samsara-dava. You are singing daily. Samsara-davanala-lidha-loka-tranaya karunya-ghanaghanatvam. One who can deliver from this entanglement of material, miserable condition of life, he is guru. That is the first definition of guru.” (Morning Walk — November 14, 1975, Bombay)

3. “Yahara prasade bhai, e bhava toriya yai. If one is favored by guru, then the path to cross over the nescience is clear. And krishna-prapti hoy yaha hoite: by the favor of guru, one gets Krishna. … This is bhagavad-bhakti-yoga.” (SB class, New York, July 24th, 1974)

4. It is the spiritual master who delivers the disciple from the clutches of maya by initiating him into the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. In this way a sleeping human being can revive his consciousness by chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. In other words, the spiritual master awakens the sleeping living entity to his original consciousness so that he can worship Lord Vishnu. This is the purpose of diksha, or initiation. Initiation means receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual consciousness. (Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita Madhya-lila 9.61)
5. The spiritual master is therefore worshiped as one who delivers the disciple from the mire of ignorance with the light of the torch of knowledge. The word paragam is very significant. Paragam refers to one who can take the disciple to the other side. (SB 3.25.

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Continuing my discussion with the Madhva scholar, my next question to him was about diksha and diksha guru. I asked him, “What is the understanding of diksha (or initiation) in the Madhva sampradaya?” Even without thinking much, came his instant reply in the form of another question to me:

“What diksha do you mean?”

“You mean, there are ….” I stammered.

“There are many kinds of diksha in Vedic culture and also in our Madhva sampradaya,” he continued. “We have the Brahma Gayatri diksha, when one receives the Gayatri mantra from the guru. The sannyasa ashrama diksha, when one enters sannyasa ashrama. The Vaishnava diksha, when once receives a Vaishnava mantra with mudra dharana and so on. The matha diksha, when one is formally initiated into one of the Madhva mathas. A vrata diksha when one takes up a certain vrata. About which diksha are you asking?
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hen I recalled Srila Prabhupada’s explanation of what is diksha when he first introduced initiation in ISKCON in his first storefront ISKCON temple in New York back in 1966. Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita describes in great detail how Srila Prabhupada explained what diksha is, which he was introducing in ISKCON:

"And now," Swamiji said at length, "I will tell you what is meant by initiation. Initiation means that the spiritual master accepts the student and agrees to take charge, and the student accepts the spiritual master and agrees to worship him as God." The young western students who were frequenting the storefront temple were shocked and needed more explanation. Some of them went up to Swamiji's apartment and asked: "Does what you told us this morning mean we are supposed to accept the spiritual master to be God?"

"That means he is due the same respect as God, being God's representative," Swamiji had replied, calmly.

"Then he is not God?"

"No," Swamiji said, "God is God. The spiritual master is His representative. Therefore, he is as good as God because he can deliver God to the sincere disciple.” (Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita Vol 2: Planting the Seed, New York, 1965-66 by Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami)

In other words, initiation is a formal agreement by the spiritual master to deliver the disciple and a reciprocal obligation of the disciple to offer the same respect to the spiritual master that is due to God, as the spiritual master is God’s representative and he can deliver God to the sincere disciple.

Keeping this definition of initiation in mind, I informed the Madhva scholar, “Initiation that Srila Prabhupada introduced in ISKCON means that the spiritual master agrees to deliver the disciple from the material world and take him back home, back to the spiritual world.”

“Oh, that kind of initiation!” exclaimed the Madhva scholar, “In our sampradaya, that is done only by Sri Madhvacharya.”

“What about the others who give the Gayatri mantra, teach the shastras, etc.?”
“They are all acting as his agents, representatives. But the deliverance of the devotee is done by Sri Madhvacharya alone.” Then he went on to give an analogy from his university experience. “There may be many colleges that teach so many subjects to the students, but the degree is awarded to the student by the university alone. No one else can award the degree.”

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It is important to appreciate the definition or the form of initiation that Srila Prabhupada introduced in ISKCON. To appreciate this, we must understand what was happening in the Gaudiya sampradaya and what Srila Prabhupada’s own spiritual master Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur did during his time.

The initiation or diksha that was prevalent in Gaudiya Vaishnava sects was the siddha-pranali diksha. This diksha involved the revelation of the siddha deha of the candidate in the spiritual world. However, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura rejected this practice as it was applicable only to liberated souls.
He radically revised the concept of initiation in the Gaudiya Math institution. Following in his footsteps, Srila Prabhupada introduced initiation in ISKCON and he defined it as the acceptance of the spiritual master to deliver the disciple and acceptance of the disciple to regard the spiritual master as good as God. Hence it is the obligation of all followers of Srila Prabhupada to accept and practice this understanding of initiation in ISKCON.

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In the next few weeks, I met another renowned Madhva scholar from Udupi. The discussion went on with him also on the same lines. He too asserted emphatically that Sri Madhvacharya alone is the deliverer for all the Madhvas. And he also confirmed that all devotees of ISKCON should regard Srila Prabhupada as the deliverer of all the ISKCON devotees, even if he is not physically present.

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The next discussion was with one of the renowned pontiffs of a Madhva Matha. The discussion was more or less on the same lines, but this sannyasi raised an important question: “If you accept Srila Prabhupada as the deliverer for all ISKCON devotees, then are you saying Srila Prabhupada is what Sri Madhvacharya is for the Madhvas?” His question implied whether we regard Srila Prabhupada in the same way that Madhvas regard Sri Madhvacharya.

“Precisely,” I said, “the devotees of ISKCON regard Srila Prabhupada as their deliverer just as Madhvas regard Sri Madhvacharya as their deliverer.”
I paid my respects to the pontiff of the Madhva Matha and as I walked out of His Holiness’ presence I recalled several instructions where Srila Prabhupada has assured that he would deliver his disciples. He has repeatedly given the assurance that if we follow his instructions strictly – chant the holy names without offences, study his books, follow the daily program chalked out by him, serve his mission – he will deliver us.

In fact, Srila Prabhupada defined initiation as the assurance of the spiritual master to deliver the disciple if the disciple agrees to follow his instructions seriously and regard the spiritual master as good as God. The song that is sung by all ISKCON devotees during the daily guru puja to Srila Prabhupada vigraha (deity) asserts this position of the Srila Prabhupada: yahara prasade bhai, e bhava tariya yai, krishna-prapti haya yaha haite – by the mercy of the spiritual master one can cross over the material existence and attain Krishna. In fact, Srila Prabhupada has taught that all the great acharyas of the guru parampara are deliverers and they are of the same category:

“The spiritual master, being in the disciplic succession stemming from Narada Muni, is in the same category with Narada Muni.” (Chaitanya Charitamrta, Madhya Lila, Chapter 24, verse 258 purport)

Srila Prabhupada is part of the guru parampara list and so is Sri Madvacarya.