PADA: Yep. It is not just you. Something is rotting in ISKCON and the smell is so bad, people everywhere are noticing. We got some good new contacts in Eastern Europe, Japan, Spain and a few other countries recently, people are waking up in different places all over.
Meanwhile my friend in Mayapur says, even if they saw a bad activity going on there, there is no one in actual charge of the situation there -- to place the complaint with. ISKCON has become like a runaway train with no actual engineer at the controls.
Well yeah, it looks like it is at the "take the money and run" stage. And if you ask any leaders, they will say, I am not the person to complain to, ask the GBC. OK but are you not the GBC?
Well not really, there is no actual GBC, it is just a facade for their guru franchise business -- and as long as you don't hurt the other franchises -- they will let you do whatever. It looks like all of their runaway train process is starting to create a cult melt down of authority within the society.
No one even wants to take the controls, there are too many problems simultaneous to fix, which is the result of decades of creating bogus gurus and bogus policies. All that helps us, because people are realizing something is "way off" without our even having to point it out anymore. ys pd
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Jagat-Guru's Post
THE ISKCON SOCIETY THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA FOUNDED IN THE 60’S AND 70’S HAS CEASED TO EXISTIt is now well established that the GBC and their Gurus have deviated from the instructions of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrīla Prabhupāda and established their own corporate organization in place of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON. Therefore, the organization that we believe to be Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON is NOT in fact ISKCON but is an entirely different organization, it’s NOT the one that Śrīla Prabhupāda founded in the sixties and seventies.
Śrīla Prabhupāda established ISKCON as a Vaiṣṇava society under his direct authority as he specifically mandated when he incorporated our Society as a Religious Institution in the – “CERTIFICATION OF INCORPORATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS, where he states clearly – “He shall be the supreme authority with respect to all matters of the society, and that status shall not be occupied by or shared with any other individual, either during his lifetime, or after death.”
This cannot be stated more clearly or enough. When the GBC in 1978 took control of the society and imposed their supreme [oligarchic] authority over Śrīla Prabhupāda’s singular authority, the ISKCON that Śrīla Prabhupāda established ceased to exist.
The GBC gave birth to FISKCON. After three and a half decades of relentless subjugation of Śrīla Prabhupāda, his ISKCON institution, his loyalist followers and the truth; we must now see our history from the perspective that Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON was infiltrated and co-opted by an undisclosed group of individuals who systematically changed everything that Śrīla Prabhupāda had decreed or implemented and in its place established their own highly specific ideology, emphasis and direction. They now occupy Śrīla Prabhupāda’s status as Ācārya’s / GBC's / and Gurus of ISKCON.
Who can deny that the GBC and Gurus have betrayed Śrīla Prabhupada? How can they deny that many of them admit that they are NOT the DELIVERING GURU, only the FACILITATING GURU? Who can deny that they have ignored Śrīla Prabhupāda’s D.O.M. in their new management system with its expansive CORPORATE infrastructure?
Who can deny that they have developed laws that FAVOR THEM and their plans instead of the TRUTH and the greater devotional community? Who can deny that they have changed the incorporation to West Bengal forming a PRIVATE CORPORATION to do away with Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL?
Who can deny that they formed the BBTi to do away with Srila Prabhupada’s BBT? Who can deny their religious syncretic SECULARIZATION of VAISNAVA THEOLOGY via merging it into modern secular humanistic academia [and no small amount of Hindu-ization]? Who can deny their attempts to HOMOGENIZE and IMPERSONALIZE our Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava tradition with other religious traditions through the process of interfaith?
Who can deny that the leaders are behind most of the PHILOSOPHICAL DEVIATIONS and separatist movements within our international society? Who can deny that they are CHANGING Srila Prabhupada’s books for purely WICKED REASONS?
Who can deny that they CHANGED the philosophy to meet their needs by using the interpretive method of reasoning as opposed to the ‘AS IT IS ’ method given to us by Srila Prabhupada? Who can deny that their GURUS AND GBC are involved in mass misappropriation of FUNDS AND DONATIONS and / or business deals to increase their personal coffers to aid their personal plans and projects?
Who can deny that they CHANGED the philosophy to meet their needs by using the interpretive method of reasoning as opposed to the ‘AS IT IS ’ method given to us by Srila Prabhupada? Who can deny that their GURUS AND GBC are involved in mass misappropriation of FUNDS AND DONATIONS and / or business deals to increase their personal coffers to aid their personal plans and projects?
Who can deny that the Institution is near penniless while the sannyasi gurus have all the wealth of the society, while claiming to be RENOUNCED? Who can deny that they changed our orientation to being urban as opposed to the rural system that Srila Prabhupada had relentlessly directed us to achieve?
I’ve seen what they’ve done to ISKCON and it’s SPIRITUAL CULTURE over the past few decades. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead is Krishna. In time Krishna will kill every demon who took part in destroying ISKCON and INSULTING / OFFENDING Srila Prabhupada with the destruction of his books and philosophy of krishna consciousness.
Who can deny that so many members of the FISKCON society have used the power that they derive from their positions within Srila Prabhupada’s institution to take advantage of their GOD BROTHERS and SISTERS and ill-gotten disciples over the decades to facilitate their own lusty [sexual] desires and have openly degraded the Guru and Sannyāsī tradition to the point that is a mere mockery of its ROLE and FUNCTION in human society.
SB: 1.13.3 – TRANSLATION
He saw that the direction of eternal time had changed, and this was very fearful. There were disruptions in the seasonal regularities. The people in general had become very greedy, angry and deceitful. And he saw that they were adopting foul means of livelihood.
PURPORT
When civilization is disconnected from the loving relation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, symptoms like changes of seasonal regulations, foul means of livelihood, greed, anger and fraudulence become rampant. The change of seasonal regulations refers to one season’s atmosphere becoming manifest in another season–for example the rainy season’s being transferred to autumn, or the fructification of fruits and flowers from one season in another season.
I’ve seen what they’ve done to ISKCON and it’s SPIRITUAL CULTURE over the past few decades. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead is Krishna. In time Krishna will kill every demon who took part in destroying ISKCON and INSULTING / OFFENDING Srila Prabhupada with the destruction of his books and philosophy of krishna consciousness.
Who can deny that so many members of the FISKCON society have used the power that they derive from their positions within Srila Prabhupada’s institution to take advantage of their GOD BROTHERS and SISTERS and ill-gotten disciples over the decades to facilitate their own lusty [sexual] desires and have openly degraded the Guru and Sannyāsī tradition to the point that is a mere mockery of its ROLE and FUNCTION in human society.
SB: 1.13.3 – TRANSLATION
He saw that the direction of eternal time had changed, and this was very fearful. There were disruptions in the seasonal regularities. The people in general had become very greedy, angry and deceitful. And he saw that they were adopting foul means of livelihood.
PURPORT
When civilization is disconnected from the loving relation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, symptoms like changes of seasonal regulations, foul means of livelihood, greed, anger and fraudulence become rampant. The change of seasonal regulations refers to one season’s atmosphere becoming manifest in another season–for example the rainy season’s being transferred to autumn, or the fructification of fruits and flowers from one season in another season.
A godless man is invariably greedy, angry and fraudulent. Such a man can earn his livelihood by any means, black or white. But Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was astonished to experience even a slight change in the godly atmosphere of his kingdom, and at once he suspected the disappearance of the Lord. Foul means of livelihood implies deviation from one’s occupational duty. There are prescribed duties for everyone, such as the brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya and śūdra, but anyone who deviates from his prescribed duty and declares another’s duty to be his own is following a foul and improper duty.
A man becomes too greedy for wealth and power when he has no higher objective in life and when he thinks that this earthly life of a few years is all in all. Ignorance is the cause for all these anomalies in human society, and to remove this ignorance, especially in this age of degradation, the powerful sun is there to distribute light in the shape of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
What do we have left of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON? What is there in this FISKCON society that is what Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted? As soon as Śrīla Prabhupāda entered into Samadhi, the GBC SEVERED the CONNECTION between THEMSELVES and the PARAMPARA, thus making ISKCON a FRAUDULENT SOCIETY.
Having abandoned Śrīla Prabhupāda by illegally appointing themselves as initiating spiritual masters or dīkṣā gurus they SEVERED the LINK of their FOLLOWERS and ill-gotten DISCIPLES from the PARAMPARA and ŚRILA PRABHUPADA and so BOTH THEY and THEIR DISCIPLES are FAST TRACKING IT TO HELL.
By intentionally creating the position of a dīkṣā guru in place of Śrīla Prabhupāda and intentionally appointing unqualified people into the position of guru they have completed the LINK to KALI and diverted the destination of the SEEKER of the ABSOLUTE TRUTH to engage them in service AS A KALI CHELA instead of engaging them in devotional service to Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa.
Once the link is severed from the paramapara, whatever you do cannot bear any spiritual sequence as Śrīla Prabhupāda explained above. Even though one may be chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa or engaging others in Hari Nama Sankirtan, if one is committing the above offence to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrīla Prabhupāda then all ones activities ARE USELESS and in actual fact they ARE OFFENSIVE to the pure devotee of the Lord.
One cannot commit sinful activities on the strength of the Holy Name and expect to get away with it. There is a price to pay and that price, as Śrīla Prabhupāda describes above, IS HELL. If you are PRETENDING TO BE A GURU then YOU AND YOUR DISCIPLES WILL GO TO HELL.
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What do we have left of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON? What is there in this FISKCON society that is what Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted? As soon as Śrīla Prabhupāda entered into Samadhi, the GBC SEVERED the CONNECTION between THEMSELVES and the PARAMPARA, thus making ISKCON a FRAUDULENT SOCIETY.
Having abandoned Śrīla Prabhupāda by illegally appointing themselves as initiating spiritual masters or dīkṣā gurus they SEVERED the LINK of their FOLLOWERS and ill-gotten DISCIPLES from the PARAMPARA and ŚRILA PRABHUPADA and so BOTH THEY and THEIR DISCIPLES are FAST TRACKING IT TO HELL.
By intentionally creating the position of a dīkṣā guru in place of Śrīla Prabhupāda and intentionally appointing unqualified people into the position of guru they have completed the LINK to KALI and diverted the destination of the SEEKER of the ABSOLUTE TRUTH to engage them in service AS A KALI CHELA instead of engaging them in devotional service to Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa.
Once the link is severed from the paramapara, whatever you do cannot bear any spiritual sequence as Śrīla Prabhupāda explained above. Even though one may be chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa or engaging others in Hari Nama Sankirtan, if one is committing the above offence to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrīla Prabhupāda then all ones activities ARE USELESS and in actual fact they ARE OFFENSIVE to the pure devotee of the Lord.
One cannot commit sinful activities on the strength of the Holy Name and expect to get away with it. There is a price to pay and that price, as Śrīla Prabhupāda describes above, IS HELL. If you are PRETENDING TO BE A GURU then YOU AND YOUR DISCIPLES WILL GO TO HELL.
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D Das: See the original entities and their logos along with the replacement lookalike shady organizations:
https://bit.ly/pppplogo
Let us learn what we can do about this, once we all are convinced that we, collectively, are the beneficiaries of the BBT and that we have a duty to Srila Prabhupada to change its trustees when they are seen to act against the interest of the Trust! Short legal lesson:
www.bit.ly/savebbt39
Look at the secret resolutions they have authorised themselves to pass without publishing!!! www.bit.ly/secretbylaws
PPPP Draft Logo
SE: What is to be done? I had the mercy of a Prabhupada disciple who sent me a copy of the Final Order, I read it, and I'm thoroughly convinced. This happened after I very seriously and sincerely desired and prayed for a Guru. So now I'm here wondering, what is there to do? I am here near a FISKCON community, which I am now not welcome at, and I want to distribute books, but I have hardly any resources to distribute, because I don't want to distribute the books which have changes. I want to devote my life to Prabhupada's literatures and his mission. I'm at a loss on what to do after reading the Final Order.
J Dasa: I understand what you’re saying, I was in a similar situation myself. I have a few things to get done today but I should be finished by 6 or 7 PM this evening. you should hear from me by then… Hare Krishna!
First you must be a sincere seeker of the absolute truth. Krishna is within everyone’s heart and he didn’t want you to be deceived by anyone, so you got the mercy of a Prabhupada disciple who sent you a copy of the Final Order and you were convinced. And you say this happened after you sincerely prayed for a guru. Krishna knows you were seriously praying for a guru.
So, you read the Final Order and now you’re wondering what is there to do? Well, you contacted me and now I’m telling you to relax because you’re in Krishna’s hands now. Don’t worry about the FISKCON COMMUNITY that does not welcome you now. You want to distribute books that are beneficial to those who receive them, Krishna will give you the proper resources to distribute, not books that contain deception and create confusion.
Here's a couple of things you need to know. The fire sacrifice is not the initiation. The actual initiation is the transference of transcendental knowledge which destroys all the material contamination within us. That knowledge comes from Krishna through the Sampradaya Acharya Srila Prabhupada. So if you’re reading Srila Prabhupada’s original books, He’s transferring that transcendental knowledge to you, so He’s your spiritual master right now. From him come the four regulative principles, the chanting of 16 rounds, the reading or hearing of books, etc., etc.
You need to purify yourself, so get up at 4am or 5am at the latest. If you cannot do that, get up as early as you can, but eventually, 4am or 5am should be your goal. if you’re not chanting 16 rounds you need to chant 1 or 2 rounds or whatever you can, just do them at the same time every day, preferably before noon. This is very important for purification.
So, Srila Prabhupada is your spiritual master and Krishna within your heart is guiding you now as Caitya guru. Actually, Srila Prabhupada is the spiritual master of everyone including ISKCON BUT THE VOTED-IN GURUS HAVE DECIDED TO REPLACE HIM.
I hope this helps you. If you have any questions you may contact me again. Here’s a link to access some audio books and maybe find other ritviks (priests) contacts that are initiating on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf.
https://bhaktivedantavediclibrary.org/books/bhagavad-gita/
Hare Krishna!
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
BHAKTIVEDANTAVEDICLIBRARY.ORG
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
O K Dasa: It is obvious from at least 5 years of last experience. There is no Guru in Iskcon.
Jagat-Guru Dasa: All we can do is continue to point this fact out. The so-called living gurus in IskCon are spiritually DEAD.
BB Dasa: Jai jagatguru Srila Prabhupad ji ki jai ho!
Here's a couple of things you need to know. The fire sacrifice is not the initiation. The actual initiation is the transference of transcendental knowledge which destroys all the material contamination within us. That knowledge comes from Krishna through the Sampradaya Acharya Srila Prabhupada. So if you’re reading Srila Prabhupada’s original books, He’s transferring that transcendental knowledge to you, so He’s your spiritual master right now. From him come the four regulative principles, the chanting of 16 rounds, the reading or hearing of books, etc., etc.
You need to purify yourself, so get up at 4am or 5am at the latest. If you cannot do that, get up as early as you can, but eventually, 4am or 5am should be your goal. if you’re not chanting 16 rounds you need to chant 1 or 2 rounds or whatever you can, just do them at the same time every day, preferably before noon. This is very important for purification.
So, Srila Prabhupada is your spiritual master and Krishna within your heart is guiding you now as Caitya guru. Actually, Srila Prabhupada is the spiritual master of everyone including ISKCON BUT THE VOTED-IN GURUS HAVE DECIDED TO REPLACE HIM.
I hope this helps you. If you have any questions you may contact me again. Here’s a link to access some audio books and maybe find other ritviks (priests) contacts that are initiating on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf.
https://bhaktivedantavediclibrary.org/books/bhagavad-gita/
Hare Krishna!
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
BHAKTIVEDANTAVEDICLIBRARY.ORG
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
Bhagavad Gita…As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedic Library
O K Dasa: It is obvious from at least 5 years of last experience. There is no Guru in Iskcon.
Jagat-Guru Dasa: All we can do is continue to point this fact out. The so-called living gurus in IskCon are spiritually DEAD.
BB Dasa: Jai jagatguru Srila Prabhupad ji ki jai ho!
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