Saturday, November 11, 2023

The ISKCON Guru Reform Has Failed 11 11 23


Art by PADA
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"Radha is made of pure love for Krsna and Hari is made of pure love of Radha. Life’s greatest wealth is Radha and Krsna: my eternal shelter. [Yugala-astakam].

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PADA: Right, in 1986 Kailasa Chandra, Mukunda swami, Satsvarupa, Rupanuga and others began helping Rocana and the GBC's 50 man committee "reformers." And it was the reformers team who re-instated Bhavananda and excommunicated Sulochana, so they could defend Kirtanananda. OK and Bhavananda and Kirtanananda were the primary leaders of some of the worst case child mistreatment projects. 

In short, Rocana's group compromised with supporting the false gurus so they could give others their "2/3 show of hands vote" -- "guru certificate." And Rocana's site later began to promote the writings of Kailasa chandra dasa, as did the GBC's leaders like Ravindra, because they are all part of the same GBC supporting brotherhood, and they all said the Prabhupadanugas are bogus for worshiping a pure devotee -- and not their non-existing phantom Madhyam.

But who even wants a guru certificate from this mob? 

And Kailasa and his fellow reformers have been promoting their "Madhyam guru" idea, again -- such as Rocana, Ravindra, Rupanuga, Mukunda swami etc. have done ever since. And then Kailasa began writing for Rocana's site -- for many years -- to support their GBC idea that there is -- or could be -- a Madhyam guru. Could Kailasa or his fellow reformers name their actual Madhyam guru specifically? No, and they have never named this alleged Madhyam person ever since.

And yep, Rocana and the GBC and Kailasa are still promoting their non-manifest Madhyam idea, who may or may not even exist. And then Ravindra, Mukunda swami and others began to circulate Kailasa's writings at the GBC's meetings [as they did in 1990] since they are all in agreement.

Of course even if they had a Madhyam guru, he could still fall and become an asura, so this was really just a trick to try to appease the angry masses who were fed up with these bogus people. A Madhyam cannot give sufficient guidance -- and he might become an asura -- according to Srila Prabhupada. But there is good news, neither Kailasa or his reformer brothers could ever name their alleged Madhyam. OK he does not actually exist, never has existed, and for all we know --- might not ever exist for the next 428,000 years. Neither any Madhyam successor was named by Srila Prabhupada.

So this was a big bluff. We have to stop people from worshiping Srila Prabhupada, so we can get them to worship the GBC's and Kailasa's non-existing entity, who has never existed, and who may never exist -- forever -- going forward. So this is all post dated check bluff.

Of course when they are promoting the worship of nothing and no one anonymous Madhyam, this is also called mayavada. The GBC and Kailasa brotherhood never names their alleged Madhyam, because he is a phantom non-person. Srila Prabhupada says that the worship of the non-existing will make a person fall to the lower regions because this is de facto atheism. So the GBC and their writers like Kailasa have joined the atheist class to promote the worship of non-entities.

The Vaishnavas always name their guru because they are personalists and not atheistic mayavadas like Kailasa and his GBC reformers. Srila Prabhupada says worship of nothing or no one is denial of the existence of the Supreme or His representatives -- it is covered atheist -- and it takes people to the lower regions. 

So after these guys like Rocana promoted predators and deviants as their gurus, then they switched to the non-entity Madhyam, and then Kailasa joined their crew and he wrote for the Rocana site and the GBC guys.

Did I forget to mention that the GBC / Rocana / Kailasa Maydyam "reformers" re-instated the worship of Bhavananda, and censured me and Sulochana for addressing Kirtanananda, and that caused more troubles for the children of ISKCON? And Rocana still kept writing that gurus are sometimes falling and we need to make a committee to correct them when they deviate. 

And Kailasa was writing for this GBC friends Rocana site for years and years and years together, because he is part of their team that says gurus fall down, and that is why Kailasa still wants children to worship people who can fall and become asuras -- even now. He has no idea what amount of damage his program is causing children by their idea of having them worship Satans or people who can become Satans. Rather he seems to be proud of his odious handiworks, because he is still promoting his idea that children must worship Satans or people who can become one?

Of course how did you guess, the reformer like Ravindra, Rocana and their hero and de facto supporter and position paper writer Kailasa said that the people who oppose child mistreatment are -- bogus sahajiya drunks. So Kailasa simply became Ravindra's sock puppet, and he still is. They are still saying we are drunks for opposing their regime. 

In sum, there is no Madhyam guru, has never been one, and none is ever named because they are mayavadas. And they are now promoting the worship of nothing because we exposed their idea of worship of Satans as a bad idea. And to say there could be, might be, possibly is -- a Madhyam is called mental speculation, there might be a winning lottery ticket at my 7-11, so let me buy these tickets.

This is called gambling and speculation and is against Vaishnava principles. Srila Prabhupada says as soon as someone says -- there could be, might be, possibly is, he is a rascal speculator. In any case, the GBC, Kailasa, Rocana et al. Madhyam does not exist, which is great news for the children of the world. They will be spared from worshiping Satans or people who can become one. 

Of course this begs the question, why are the reformers and their writers like Kailasa promoting the worship of Satans or people who can become Satans -- to innocent children? And that is why my lawyer friend says all of them, and that means people like Kailasa, should be in jail for corrupting the morals of minors. 

Sulochana also said they are making me a target by calling us drunks, and Kailasa's hands are on the axe handle that took him down. Of course when Srila Prabhupada says his system is called diksha, the mayavadas will say, no -- the system is to worship nothing. And go to the lower planets with the other atheists thereby. 







As for training people to become future potential Madhyams, yes we are doing that, which is why Kailasa and his GBC brothers are so envious -- we have some potential Madhyams in our camps who worship a pure devotee and they are not worshiping the Ravindra / Rocana / Kailasa's nothingness non-entity ghost phantom Madhyam idea. ys pd

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S.C.U.M.B.A.G!!! Sri Krishna is omnipresent! So is Srila Prabhupada.

PD: Except that Kailasa says the "successors" to the pure devotee are or can be asuras. Why does Kailasa keep repeating the GBC? Kailasa is with the GBC, they both think even child exploiter "asuras" are or may sometimes be acharyas, which is what the GBC says? When is Kailasa going to quit being Ravindra's puppet? 

Krishna's successor might be an asura, oh great, and Srila Prabhupada says -- when people say the successor is or may be asura, that would make Krishna also an asura. Why does Kailasa think Krishna might also be an asura? That sounds like pasandi vada if there ever was any example. 

He is talking on the basis of his guru, his guru, his guru, this is called paramparā.

PD: There are no asuras or potential asuras in the parampara. Nor could Krishna ever be represented by an asura parampara. Nor has Kailasa ever even explained -- what is an asura parampara? Srila Prabhupada says that the people who think acharyas are defective, are pasandis. Kailasa goes way beyond that, he says they are potential asuras, worse than ordinary men. That means Kailasa is saying Krishna is a potential asura because so are His successors. Why does Kailasa always say horrible things about Krishna every day for 45 years?

So, ultimate guru is Kṛṣṇa. So naturally if Kṛṣṇa is omnipresent, the servants are also. What is the difficulty?---RC, June 12, 1975.

PD: The difficulty is that Kailasa thinks the asuras are His servants, when they are not. And moreover, that would make Krishna an asura or potential asura, if His successors are. Wow, Kailasa is right in with the GBC, they say these same things all the time.

Did they leave anything for a r@scal like you to interpret with your RITTVIk heresy? There has never been anything like so-called RITTVIK inititation carries out in our lines save and except in sahajiya lines like kartbhaja! Well you'll are modern day or neo-kartabhajas!

PD: There are only 32 acharyas listed for 5,000 years, which means there are many times when people worship a departed acharya. And Srila Prabhupada says worship of Jesus is eternal, there is no time gap there. And he also said do not change anything.

Stop character assassinating Kailasa prabhu and his followers! Talk on philosophical points.

PD: Asuras might be gurus [which means Krishna might also be asura] is not our philosophy.

Don't indulge in false accusations with a view to gain an advantage over a faulty narrative with twisted facts!

PD: Kailasa joined with GBC reformer Rocana to say that gurus can be Madhyam, who can fall down. And he wrote for Rocana's site for years and years, and the GBC circulates Kailasa's papers. That is a fact. And Kailasa followers keep on saying that Ravindra is right, the Madhyam can be a diksha guru -- and yet, they admit, he might be or might become an asura. Why does Kailasa want children to worship persons who might become asuras, which is contaminating the morals of minors? And why does Kailasa keep saying Krishna's successors might be asuras, which makes Krishna also an asura?

You talk about anything under the sun but the Truth!

PD: This is the truth, Kailasa has been writing for the GBC reformers like Rocana for years, and his papers are circulated by the reformers, so they can all promote their asuras might be gurus idea. And then Kailasa said we are drunks, when we pointed out his asura gurus are mistreating children. And Sulochana said Kailasa types are making him a target, these are all facts.

Where are your relevant evidences to establish the bona fides of your heresy? Don't talk about having solved algebra and trignometric level maths when your basic 2+2 math is erroneous! Don't make a blanket statement involving so-called GBC and the VF.

Infact, Kailasa prabhu has philosophically proved how at root, RITTVIKvada and "ISKCON" institution and the G.B.C. are different sides of the same coin. Engaged in doling out cheap initiations to wannabe disciples. And these so-called disciples are ultimately getting themselves fooled to prop up fools like you who come to parade your faulty knowledge exactly like a naked emperor with no clothes! Go form your own line! Dare you misrepresent and misinterpret Srila Prabhupada's teachings and instructions! Go far away you filthy degenerate S>C>M>B>A>G!!!]

PD: Why does Kailasa people always say the people defending children are sc**? That is how he got thousands of children mistreated, and he is proud of that? Anyway now we have thousands of people coming to our programs to worship a pure devotee and giri goverdhan. Where is the Kailasa giri goverdhan festival going on? It isn't. Kailasa is just blathering all day long about worshiping his non-existing phantom Madhyam, who does not even exist, never mind his preaching programs do not seem to exist.

Never mind his Madhyam might be an asura, as his people admit. We need to stop everything, to tell people Krishna's successors are or may sometimes be asuras, because Krishna is also sometimes an asura? Srila Prabhupada says, when they say Krishna's successor is an asura, they are saying Krishna is an asura. Why is Kailasa always saying Krishna's successors are or maybe asuras, because then ... Krishna is or can become one too, according to Prabhupada?

Why should we tell people to worship the non-entity, who, even if he existed, might be an asura? So Kailasa is Ravindra's puppet. Ravindra was writing about the Madhyam, then Rocana was, and then Kailasa wrote papers for them. And now Ravindra is living in an isolated place with no programs -- just like Kailasa. They both wrote all that stuff, and now they have no programs to show for it. In any case, we had thousands of people coming last year, and this year will be bigger. 

We are not going to people to quit worshiping giri goverdhan to sit in a cabin in the woods promoting the worship of no one, or else at best, a potential asura. Which means, Krishna might also be an asura according to Srila Prabhupada. The Krishna book is full of people who were saying Krishna is an asura, we are not with that group. Wow. Now I have to "prove" that Krishna's successors are not asuras, because that would make Krishna also an asura? I have to prove that God is not one and the same [saksad hari tvena] as -- an asura? ys pd

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Hope you all got to see this post by N H.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe, I was close friends with Maharaja's son Goura in San Diego for many years and have seen Maharaja in action all over ISKCON my whole life.

I going to try to be nice,

Because I have some affection for the senior members of this movement and know many where placed in positions when they where young and unprepared.
This letter that Indradyumna Swami wrote proves the GBC is completely out of touch with the members of ISKCON and the society.

Maharaja could of asked almost any Gurukuli over the last 30 years and got a full list of abusers or called the CPO office or many of the devotees involved in child protection (Dhira Govinda) and got the full rundown.

Years ago in Alachua (Sesa Prabhu GBC) sat at the temple during a festival with a sign that said have ears willing to listen, this is a core tenant of the movement it comes before speaking and chanting.

I have sat quietly and listened to hundreds of lectures over the last 46 years from all the top GBC members, it is now quite clear they have been talking, preaching and lecturing without listening.

After the Gurukuli lawsuit and the Robin Jorge case for a top very senior member of the GBC to claim to not know is a slap in the face of every member of ISKCON.
It is your responsibility to know, its your Job to know, its what your paid to do.
As a member of the GBC and a representative of Srila Prabhupadas movement, there is simply no excuse for not knowing this didn't happen yesterday.

Hundreds maybe thousands of members knew this AV guy was horrible and abusive to children for 30+ years. Many GBC members think their job is to fly around the world collect money, eat well and enjoy the kirtans and festivals, those are the perks of being a Guru / GBC, the job is to protect Srila Prabhupadas the movement and that starts with the women and children.

If you can't do your job I respectfully request you step aside and let the next generation of the movement step up, they will also make mistakes
But this has gone on for to long. We cannot accept pathetic excuses of I didn't know or the gurukulis are just making stuff up.

Or that mataji is just crazy.

We learn from the Mahabharta that Bhismadeva because of siding with the abusers also had to be killed even though he was a great devotee, there is NO excuse for protecting the abusers and allowing them to continue victimizing the children.

It's time for the GBC to step up do there job,

Time to Chase out ALL of the child abusers and Women abusers, if you don't do it soon you will have to explain to Srila Prabhupada that you where to busy singing to hear, lecturing to listen, to busy flying around the world to protect his movement, to caught up in being worshiped and you allowed ISKCON to be overrun by child molesters and abusers.

Please Stand up for the sincere devotees who have stayed and indured pain and suffering to stay in Prabhupadas movement, forget your buddies and pals don't try to hold on to your temporary positions,

FIGHT without attachment FIGHT for Krishna, srila Prabhupada and the great sincere devotees of this spiritual movement.

Your servant in the service to srila prabhupada,
N das

My Statement Regarding Anirdesya Vapu Dasa

( formerly Bhaktividya Purna Swami )

Dear Devotees,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Acknowledging my position as a leader in the International Society for Krsna Consciousness (ISKCON), I would like to address a critical issue that has surfaced in our movement regarding the deviant and abusive behavior of Anirdesya Vapu Dasa, formerly known as Bhaktividya Purna Swami.

To begin with, I categorically denounce his predatory abuse of children within our organization, as well as the disgraceful illicit relationship he had with a female member in our society. I am shocked by his lack of remorse for these degraded actions. I fully support the present GBC and CPO restrictions against him.

In my own association with Anirdesya Vapu over the years, he never revealed his dark secrets to me. Nor did I see any red flags. Unfortunately, deviant people can be expert at hiding their sinful activities even from their friends, spouses and loved ones. With all the honesty at my command, I can say I was also unaware of Anirdesya Vapu’s recent degraded actions until the CPO and GBC started to investigate them. Had I known, I certainly would have informed ISKCON leaders and secular authorities.

As far as his abuse of children in the Mayapur Gurukula in the 1980s and 90s is concerned, I was unaware of the specifics. I simply accepted the conclusion of the GBC that he was guilty of misbehavior, that he had been restricted in dealings with the schools, and that he was not allowed to initiate. In retrospect, I feel the GBC could have gone further to make public his digressions and could have taken more decisive action. To keep this from happening again, the GBC needs to put a system in place so that CPO rulings and restrictions are widely publicized to every temple and leader in the world.

I have read sentiments expressed by others that mercy should be shown to fallen devotees. While that is true generally, Anirdesya Vapu’s crimes are exceptionally horrific cases of ongoing predatory abuse of children. When hearing of a case of child abuse in the 1970s, Srila Prabhupada responded by saying that the perpetrators should be punished. So, along with the GBC and CPO’s newest restrictions on him, I feel he should also be dealt with to the full extent of secular law enforcement. 

Meanwhile, ISKCON’s leaders, including me, must now focus our full attention on helping the abused with the suffering and trauma they continue to struggle with, as well as helping to strengthen and support ISKCON’s Child Protection Office.
This is one reason I went to Mayapur two weeks ago: to give time to some of the former students who remain traumatized by their experiences in the schools in which Anirdesya Vapu was unfortunately involved. I promised them that I will continue to support them spiritually and financially.

Before closing, I want to apologize for the ways in which I unknowingly and unwittingly contributed to endorsing someone who harmed children. I vow to do better, including by getting more educated about these matters. With all my heart I pledge to help make ISKCON a safer and more secure place for our children now and in the future.

Your servant,

Indradyumna Swami

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RESOURCE LIST: SRILA PRABHUPADA'S 1976-77 LETHAL, HOMICIDAL HEAVY METAL POISONING
Most people are totally confused on this issue, as the mis- and dis-information put out by the ISKCON deniers, aiders and abettors, and even the prime suspects themselves is overwhelming. But the truth is there, in plain sight and easy to reach, for anyone wanting to know for sure what really happened in the suspicious circumstances of Srila Prabhupada's transcendental departure pastimes.
FIRST: many YouTube videos discussing the facts, evidence, history:
(1)_Kill Guru, Become Guru: The Forensic Breakthrough:
https://youtu.be/PIBqNBMbPvY
(2) Poisoning Objections Answered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLeHjRhZMc
(3) Crime Of The Millennium: Poisoning Srila Prabhupada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMuUqqZDqTQ
(4) In Pursuit Of Prabhupada’s Poisoners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6unXi7jzSiI
(5) Reward On Prabhupada’s Poisoners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZg_rNP6HiY
(6) Tamal: We Could Have Done That (Poison Srila Prabhupada):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRz1ENORFg
SECOND: many books written on this subject and the related corruption and deviations in Srila Prabhupada's Divine Mission, ISKCON, and the wider Hare Krishna movement of Lord Chaitanya:
THE PERSONAL AMBITION SERIES: (Prabhupada Truth Commission)
Vol. One: Srila Prabhupada: Triumphant Departure- The Complete Book of Poisoning Evidence
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519122
508 pgs, paperback and EBook, $19.95 and $6.95
Vol. Two: Anti-Prabhupada: The Deviant Impact of Tamal Krishna Goswami on the Hare Krishna Movement
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519149
459 pgs, paperback, Ebook, $19.95 and $6.95
Vol. Three: Pursuit of Srila Prabhupada’s Poisoners
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519181
452 pgs, hardcover, paperback, Ebook, $29.95, $19.95, and $6.95
Vol. Four: Srila Prabhupada’s Mysterious Health Decline 1976-77
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519203
432 pgs, paperback, Ebook, $19.95 and $6.95
Vol. Five: ISKCON Hidden History: Coup, Schisms, Scandals, Utopia Lost
https://www.amazon.com/dp/092351922X
468 pgs, paperback, Ebook, $19.95 and $6.95
Vol. Six: Deviations Spoiling The Sankirtan Movement: Corruption, Cover-ups, Treachery, Acharya Betrayed
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519246
480 pgs, paperback, Ebook, $19.95 and $6.95
Vol. Seven: Kill Guru Become Guru
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519289
204 pgs, paperback, Ebook, $12.95 and $3.95
THIRD: the books from those suspected of poisoning Srila Prabhupada and their followers, defenders, apologists, and colluders:
TKG's DIARY (Tamal Krishna G. 1998)
FINAL PASTIMES (Tamal Krishna G 1988)
OCEAN OF MERCY (Bhakticharu S 2014)
NOT THAT I AM POISONED (The suspects, GBC 2000)
FOURTH: other books on the subject:
Someone Has Poisoned Me (Nityananda das, 1999)
Judge For Yourself (Mandapa das, Naveen Krishna das, et al 2003)
Srila Prabhupada's Hidden Glories (2022)
FIFTH: Upcoming books from Prabhupada Truth Commission:
Vol. 8: TRUST IN SRILA PRABHUPADA: Restoring His Divine Mission As It Was
Vol. 9: SRILA PRABHUPADA: THE CURRENT LIVING ACHARYA
Vol. 10: VEDIC VILLAGES: Experimentsin Varanashrama Projects
Vol. 11: SRILA PRABHUPADA: Shaktyavesh Avatar of Truth and Mercy
Vol. 12: LET THE JACKALS HOWL
Vol. 13: SRILA PRABHUPADA and THE GAUDIYA MATH

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