Russia Update / PADA vs V Devi Dasi 11 29 23

Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine.

PADA: Well sure, except a Russian woman on my Tik Tok says she can barely afford to maintain her one single child -- now that the cost of diapers, baby formula, food, and everything else, has sky rocketed in Russia. But it does mean, they are starting to realize -- hey! We are losing a lot of men over here, and we won't be able to replace them readily. 

Russia already had 4,000,000 more women than men before the war. And they made a big drive to create more babies some years ago, and people just have not been signing up. Yup, life is too tough there already, and maintaining babies is a huge expense and it takes a lot of work and effort. 

Oh yeah they promised that if you have a baby -- you would get some extra benefits, but that did not happen. Russia is slowly destroying its male population, and it will take decades or more to recover. Srila Prabhupada pretty much says this as well -- Kali Yuga leaders will destroy everything -- so they can rule over the ashes. Very sad for all the families who now no longer have a husband, a son, a worker -- provider and etc. And then again there are now tens of thousands of severely wounded -- who will require a lot of care.

They say that sometimes Russia loses a thousand men just to take over a football field sized area, that is now a useless, lifeless, bombed out moonscape full of mines. You won! You won what? Is it worth it? ys pd

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PADA: Yep, that is what happened. As soon as I said we cannot worship Jayatirtha as an acharya, because he is having an illicit affair -- and he is offering LSD to the shalagram etc., and therefore we also cannot allow our children to worship such deviants -- because it is a form of psychological child abuse, I was branded as against ISKCON, a blasphemer and etc. So then I had Tamal and Dallas sued for $3,000,000 for child mistreatment in 1986, then later had to have Tamal and Dallas sued for $400,000,000 in 1997, and I then had to help the Bangalore folks counter the $20,000,000 lawsuit the GBC created, and had to help the BBTI lawsuit to get original books -- and so on and so forth, all of this because they did not want to listen to "a blasphemer." 

And that is why the Jayapataka people then complained I had cost ISKCON $100,000,000 in legal fees -- because I am against ISKCON. Ummm nope, ok they need to realize that advising people to follow practical moral codes is an attempt to help them, and we need original un-edited books, and we need to make sure our children are safe from predators, and we should not allow the GBC to spend $20,000,000 trying to remove more devotees, when the temples are already ghost towns. 

They should be spending $20,000,000 on helping keep these devotees, not removing more of them. Anyway, yes, many devotees confuse constructive criticism with attacking ISKCON, and it has made the society appear as fanatical to outside viewers. So the FEDS were tapping their phones, and they thus saved me when the leaders sent their goons to take me out. Even the FEDS told me, your opponents are criminal religious fanatics and not actually religious people. Anyway, the good news is that we are now networking with hundreds of Prabhupadanuga devotees worldwide trying to establish the proper system that Srila Prabhupada wanted and intended. 

Meanwhile a distressed devotee just now wrote to tell me that they found out their guru was an active homo, and when they went to Mayapur to complain, the Mayapur leaders told the devotee "we know he is an active homo, but don't worry, he will get better." So now this devotee is upset with ISKCON. ISKCON is spawning its own critics left, right and center. I am not sure what other result they are expecting? ys pd

V Devi Dasi: And how you going to know these so call Prabhupadanugas are not hypocrites, cheaters and liars? Or not even following the 4 regulative principles? So therefore you have room to criticize them too. Hare Krsna

PADA: V Devi Dasi A person who does not follow the principles is certainly fallen, however, we do not find any of the fallen Prabhupadanugas claiming to be Krishna's guru successors. When I was a kid -- the pastor told us -- the Devil may come disguised as the best Christian. So there is always going to be the danger of people posing as something they are not. 

However, we will not find anyone claiming to be God's successor in the Prabhupadanuga process, because such persons are no longer Prabhupadanugas by any consideration. 

At the same time, yes, predators and deviants should be exposed, wherever they are, and whatever camp they are in. The Devil may be disguised as the best Christian, that is true, so we need to be watchful whatever camp we are in. You are correct. There are predators posing as "Jesus' best followers," and they need to be exposed, and arrested, and so should ours be exposed and arrested. 

Srila Prabhupada says when we say a debauchee is Krishna's successor, it is the same as saying Krishna is a debauchee, so that process needs to be exposed and stopped, or else nothing else will help such a society. It is doomed. ys pd

V Devi Dasi: PADA your agenda is to only expose those who claim to be God’s successors because you consider that wrong / sinful etc. and of course that is because that is not what Srila Prabhupada taught us. I understand but isn’t it true the reason they do such things is because they are obviously not following the basic 4 principles and they don’t understand our guru’s teachings?

Since you mentioned Jesus isn’t it he who said cast the first stone if you have not sinned? Therefore don’t you agree that those prabhupadanugas need to perfect themselves before judging others or trying to expose others?

“ I was a kid -- the pastor told us -- the Devil may come disguised as the best Christian. So there is always going to be the danger of people posing as something they are not.” This also applies to the Prahupadanugas isn’t it?

So my question is still not answered what are you doing to expose such people who are fallen in one way or another? Fallen means fallen. Sinners mean sinners. How can one who is not perfect criticize the other?

I am not a fan of those who claim themselves as Gods etc. I am just trying to understand why so many people can’t see their own faults? One by one Prabhupada’s disciples dissappeared and left every responsibility to do their own thing. I can assure you not all of them are following the basic principles.

Point is we are wasting so much time trying to create hate and anger to proof a point that is not ours to judge so we or our egos can feel righteous.

Prabhupada and Krishna are there to punish those who sinned. Your and my duty is to be sincere and honest disciples of our beloved Guru. And not be hypocrites, cheaters and liars like others.

Hare Krishna

PADA: V Devi Dasi Ok so when I had ISKCON sued for $3,000,000 in 1986 for child mistreatment, and again helped get them sued for $400,000,000 in 1997 for even more widespread and worse child mistreatment, I should have sat back and allowed the child mistreatment to continue without protest, because I am not yet a maha-bhagavata myself.

Well fine, but even the courts agreed, that is how the child mistreatment has been enabled and facilitated in the first place, by people sitting around acquiescing and enabling. And sure, when I said there is mass child mistreatment I was called every name in the book by the leaders and their followers. 

And the result is -- 99.999 percent of the ex-kulis who live around here now boycott ISKCON, and some of them eat meat and etc. If I am protecting children, any children, then it is the duty of all human beings to help me and protect me and help me suppress this problem. 

But instead, as soon as I brought up this issue in 1979, I got booted out. So yeah, I should not have cast stones at them, I should be one of the acquiescing enablers and / or collaborators? Well sorry, that is not what I think is the moral and right choice. 

I am a sinner, no doubt, but there are some sins that I have to try to contain, or I am implicated in worse sins by being an acquiescing enabler, or worse -- a collaborator. The whole idea is to reduce sins, not get entangled in worse sins. But helping children from abuse is not "my agenda," it is the agenda of all moral human beings on the planet. 

Of course if helping victimized children is "my agenda," then it is the same identical agenda as Lord Narasimghadev. Better not oppose this agenda then, eh what? I find it odd that people keep telling me, the agenda of Lord Narasimghadev is "my agenda." Sorry I don't own His trademark. Hee hee.    

ys pd 

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