Bangalore Media / Vasudeva Ghosh / Reply to Kailasa Folks (update) 11 16

Someone is floating all the universes and planets

like they are light weight cotton puffs.

DEAREST Prabhupada!!

Dearest Prabhupada!

I fall down at your feet

I have no love nor devotion

I need to always hear you speak.

You are an external manifestation

of Krishna the supreme Lord!

you reveal pure self realization

you showed all what life is for.

Feeling your seperation

I am forced to pray more and more

please keep forcing open my eyes

to who I am and who is the Lord!

Please stay by my side

make sure by thy instructions I abide

in you I see all perfection

you destroy all my pride.

I beg birth after birth

I may be the slave of your slave

so in pure devotional service!

I may be fully engaged.

I have so little attraction

to always hearing and chanting

Lord Krishna's holy names

How shall I make spiritual advancement?

I'm blocked by my past misdeeds

and so many offences and weeds

so I pray in my heart please lead

it is you I most desperately need

Birth after birth O guru of the universe

in my heart I beg you reveal to me life's worth

dearest Srila Prabhupada my whole life is yours

please engage me in serving the most merciful Lords.

Make me cry to Sri Sri Gaur Nitai!

absorb me just in chanting Krishna's holy names

so in Lord Krishna's service I'm fully engaged

the only deliverance for the souls born in this age.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna!

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare!

Hare Rama Hare Rama!

Rama Rama Hare Hare!!!

copy anubhavananda dasa 2023

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Wednesday, November 15, 2023 [Mayapura, West Bengal, India time]*

Disappearance Day of Vāsudeva Ghoṣa 

Vasudeva Ghosh, an intimate associate of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, was renowned for his singing in Kirtan. Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita mentions that when Vasudeva Ghosh led kirtan, even wood and stone would melt upon hearing it. He composed numerous songs about Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Vasudeva Ghosh and his brothers Govinda and Madhava are eternal associates of Mahaprabhu and Nityananda Prabhu.

*According to Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta » Ādi-līlā » Chapter 10 » Text 115
govinda, mādhava, vāsudeva–tina bhāi
yāṅ-sabāra kīrtane nāce caitanya-nitāi

*SYNONYMS*

govinda—of the name Govinda; mādhava—of the name Mādhava; vāsudeva—of the name Vāsudeva; tina bhāi—three brothers; yāṅ-sabāra—all of whom; kīrtane—in the performance of saṅkīrtana; nāce—dance; caitanya-nitāi—Lord Caitanya and Nityānanda Prabhu.

*TRANSLATION*

The three brothers Govinda, Mādhava and Vāsudeva were the eighty-second, eighty-third and eighty-fourth branches of the tree. Lord Caitanya and Nityānanda used to dance in their kīrtana performances.

*PURPORT*

The three brothers Govinda, Mādhava and Vāsudeva Ghoṣa all belonged to a kāyastha family. Govinda established the Gopīnātha temple in Agradvīpa, where he resided. Mādhava Ghoṣa was expert in performing kīrtana. No one within this world could compete with him. He was known as the singer of Vṛndāvana and was very dear to Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu. It is said that when the three brothers performed saṅkīrtana, immediately Lord Caitanya and Nityānanda would dance in ecstasy. 

According to the Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā (188), the three brothers were formerly Kalāvatī, Rasollāsā and Guṇatuṅgā, who recited the songs composed by Śrī Viśākhā-gopī. The three brothers were among one of the seven parties that performed kīrtana when Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu attended the Ratha-yātrā festival at Jagannātha Purī. Vakreśvara Paṇḍita was the chief dancer in their party. This is vividly described in the Madhya-līlā, Chapter Thirteen, verses 42 and 43.
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KAILASA CHANDRA CLONE:

I really appreciate that you have taken so much time to compile these long comments, but unfortunately, this is only more proof of your deep level of delusion and confusion. 

PD: OK so when the GBC and Kailasa say that the conditioned souls can be worshiped as God's successors, Srila Prabhupada says that means -- the GBC and Kailasa are saying Krishna is a conditioned soul, because a deviant is "shaksad hari" -- equal to Krishna. We do not accept that Krishna is a conditioned soul, or is equal to one, and therefore His successor is or can be a conditioned soul. 

This is basically Kailasa repeating the GBC's ideas all the time. Kailasa self evidently thinks Krishna's successor are or can be a conditioned soul, because Krishna is a conditioned soul. This is not the Vaishnava siddhanta.  

The GBC reformers all started saying that the GBC's gurus are Madhyams adhikary in 1986. When we pointed out that a Madhyam devotee can fall and become asura, Kailasa's people said that is hogwash. In other words, they want to "prove" that God is an asura, or a potential asura, because His successors are also asuras or potential asuras.  

Nor have you explained why Kailasa and the GBC are calling their followers to say the Vedas are hogwash? 

Srila Prabhupada ALSO says that the Madhyam gives insufficient guidance, he can fall, and therefore he is not fit to be viewed as Krishna's successor. That makes him an agent, and we can argue what title to give him, but Srila Prabhupada says they are agents, ritviks, preachers and so on. In short, when a person like the followers of Kailasa call the Vedas hogwash, that is called pasandi. Of course, the GBC's followers also believe acharyas are conditioned souls who can fall down, because most of their acharyas have fallen down.  

To think that you actually believe that the appointed gbc sahajiyas are madhyams and then to say that madhyams are "child exploiter asuras" is actually quite shocking to me. 

PD: Why is it shocking that the GBC's and Kailasa's conditioned soul gurus can, and often do, fall down? After all, they have been falling down left, right and center. We do not find that shocking at all. A conditioned soul is not supposed to pose as a liberated soul, or he will degrade. Now Kailasa finds that when a conditioned soul poses as a guru, it is shocking that he can fail. All sorts of false gurus have been falling down all the time for thousands of years. 

Srila Prabhupada says when the non-liberated souls pose as liberated, they WILL eventually become degraded. And now the GBC clones like Kailasa are arguing "how badly they will degrade," and that is now the question. What difference does it make how badly they will degrade or not?    

Kailasa clearly joined the reformers in 1986, like Rocana. And they were ALL united in saying that they have Madhyam gurus, and Kailasa was writing for GBC clone head Rocana for years, perhaps decades. And Kailasa is still promoting the  GBC reformers Madhyam guru idea, and that is why the GBC circulates his writings. 

To lump such advanced personalities together with horrible child abusers is very bad and dangerous. 

PD: But we never said -- ourselves -- that the Madhyam persons can become asuras, that is what Srila Prabhupada says. Now you are arguing with Srila Prabhupada, not me. He says the Madhyam can fall down, and perhaps, they will fall down horribly. And again, why are we even arguing how good or bad an asura's behavior is? 

We are making progress, Kailasa's folks finally admit their messiahs can become asuras, but -- ooopsee -- they won't be as bad as the other asuras. Swell. Now we a splitting hairs about how badly asuras can behave. Seems ridiculous. Our acharyas can become asuras, but they will be more advanced than other asuras. That is now Kailasa's whole idea? Gaura Govinda Maharaja wrote a paper for the GBC around 1988 saying their gurus might be -- or might become -- asuras, and now Kailasa has become their parrot. Why are they promoting asuras as God's successors in the first place?

And furthemore, Kailasa joined with the GBC saying that our opposing child mistreatment is done by the drunks, which has been very dangerous for me and Sulochana, and for the children victims. Silencing the people advocating for children can harm them.

And that is why I can clearly say, Kailasa's hands are on the axe handle that took Sulochana down, and almost took me down. And harms children. Kailasa is preaching what the reformers are preaching -- on many levels, and that is why he writes for them [on Rocana's site etc.] for a long time, maybe decades, and he still is. He is still promoting the GBC's Madhyam "might fall down" guru process. 

Madhyam is a rare attainment, and just because you want to nullify Prabhupada's statements about this topic because they are incompatible with your ritvik idea (i.e., "regular guru", "limited disciples"), you still should not slander them like that. 

PD: OK we cannot cherry pick one citation from thousands of others to make our case. Srila Prabhupada also says -- the guru must be an uttama, and so on and so forth. A Madhyam can act as an agent acharya, also sometimes called ritvik acharya, because he is still conditioned. So yes, all of the conditioned souls can act as agents, and maybe at best, a type of acharya, also known as a proxy / monitor guru / ritvik acharya, but he is still a student and not a finished professor. He is not capable of absorbing sins either, he will get over loaded. 

A Madhyam is still a sadhaka, or a practioner. Yet only recently Kailasa folks now admit their guru can become an asura, only because we opposed them all this time. Anyway, that means the Madhyam should not burden himself by taking karma and making false claims of advancement he has not attained. 

Srila Prabhupada says only an uttama has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, that means others should not attempt to act like another Jesus and take sins.   

Kailasa also wanted to have Krishna live in a ghetto with no servants because he wants a limited number of brahmana people, when actually we would need thousands, not limited. I keep asking why Kailasa wants to have Krishna living in a getto, and he never explains. 

One of his people said "someone" would care for the deities, and that is why they have these hired "someone" poojaris who are sometimes going off to work in the meat restaurants after a few years. I have no idea why Kailasa is working with these reformer people and their terrible poojaris process. We want trained people to care for the deity and not Kailasa's "someone." 

No actual madhyam would ever support the evil GBC, nor would they support Neo-Mutt or your ritvik concoction. 

PD: But a Madhyam can fall down, so he would not only support us, he is automatically one of us. We are all conditioned souls, grade "a" or grade "b" prisoners, and so is the Madhyam. And unless the Madhyam is dishonest, we will all work together as fellow conditioned souls promoting the acharya. Kailasa is writing papers for the GBC, so they can try to say the Madhyam needs to be viewed as an uttama, and the GBC and Kailasa are in full agreement. The Madhyam can be a full blown diksha guru. No he cannot.

And that is why Kailasa and the GBC help each other, and even say that opposing child mistreatment is done by drunks, which supported the child mistreatment and got rid of Sulochana. You Kailasa guys are on that same GBC team, and it is easy to prove, you are still calling us drunks and sc*m now, you wanted to discredit our complaints which leads to thousands of children victims of your process. Easily provable, you are doing it now. 

Most importantly, you are offending Srila Prabhupada by dismissing him like that. 

PD: You Kailasa guys just now said Krishna and His pure devotee's statements are hogwash? 

This is not behavior that is suitable for someone who calls himself a devotee. It shows that you are willing to go to any lengths in order to shut down people who disagree with you. It is also really sad how you keep lying about Kailasa's alleged cooperation with the gbc while they call him poisonous and avoid him. 

PD: Kailsa wrote a paper against the GBC in 1979, but in 1982 Jayatirtha wrote a paper against the GBC. Does that make Jayatirtha correct? No, Jayatirtha still says that conditioned souls can be gurus, and so does Kailasa, they are against the GBC, but agree with the GBC's founding deviation. Everyone knows the GBC is bogus at this point, so what? But if we agree with the founding points of the GBC, we have not left them actually. 

Have you ever even seen Kailasa prabhu's writings circulated within the gbc or "Iskcon"? 

PD: Kailasa's writings were well advertised by Ravindra and Trivrikram etc. -- and then circulated on GBC's "Rocana reformer" site -- for probably decades. 

There is no mention whatsoever of him except slander, which is surprisingly (or not) the same as what you are doing. All of this just because we expose the fact that you barely have any evidence whatsoever for your ritvik idea? 

PD: I have no evidence that people like Jesus are eternal, and he can be represented by priests, that means you are saying Srila Prabhupada is wrong. And that is because you believe God is a conditioned soul and so are His successors.

The Christians do not accept that, which is why you attack them. 

The only advice I can give you is to stop all these unreasonable attacks and persecutions. 

PD: But you and the GBC are attacking the guru parampara by saying that people who can become asuras are in it. That makes Krishna equal to asuras. What kind of devotees say that Krishna is equal to asuras? You and your GBC compadres. And the GBC and Kailasa are also saying we are drunks, to encourage GBC goondas, to get us taken off the planet. His attacks are fatal for us. I am not trying to have him taken off the planet the way he treats us. 

Please provide some actual evidence before throwing around all these accusations. 

PD: You never answer any of my points for 45 years. And then you say despite Kailasa is saying God is a conditioned soul because His successors are, you say that Srila Prabhupada's statements on this issue are false accusations. No, Srila Prabhupada says when we say the successor is defective, that is saying Krishna is defective, and Kailasa therefore has no idea who is God. God is always pure, and so are His successors. 

Of course when Kailasa program wants "someone" who wants to work in a meat restaurant to care for Krishna, that is simply more proof they think Krishna is mundane. 

Srila Prabhupada taught us to never speak without sastric evidence. You had the great blessing of personally associating with and being initiated by Prabhupada, don't throw it all away by becoming like the 11 imitators who ostracized everyone who dared to disobey their tyranny. 

I take offense to your false statement that we allegedly see Krishna and the Acaryas as demons; again, there is zero evidence. This nonsense allegation couldn't be farther from the truth, and your willingness to murder the reputations of other devotees is more than just a little bit disturbing. 

But I am simply pointing out the flaws in your presentation, to which you are reacting quite excessively, in my opinion. I say we should let the readers decide who the real sc*mb@g is. 

PD: I need to prove that God is pure, and therefore His successor must be pure? I need to prove that when Srila Prabhupada says -- when the successor is a debauchee, then Krishna is a debauchee? 

Why would I have to prove that God is not the same "shaksat hari" with a debauchee? 

And this proves why Kailasa does not like us or the Christians, we do not accept that God is defective, and therefore His successor is defective. Anyway, we have now got many nice programs going on with ice devotees doing nice preaching, I am not going to tell them to start preaching that conditioned souls are God's successors, which is Kailasa and his GBC idea for 45 years, and which we all consider as a failure. 

So Kailasa program has been working with the GBC reformers at least since 1986, Kailasa writing to support the GBC's conditioned souls guru idea, writing that we are drunks, so we can easily prove Rocana, Kailasa, and the GBC are -- one and the same apa-siddhanta, and their writings are saying the same things. 

And no, just because Jayatirtha wrote a paper against the GBC, that does not make him correct. We need to know what we are "for" and not only against, and we are for saying God is pure and so is His successors. We simply cannot accept that conditioned souls and God are equals. So we are training our people not to consider conditioned souls are God's shaksat equals, and that includes Madyam, who can become an asura. Why would we want to join Kailasa saying God might be an asura, because His succesors can be? This is called pasandi. 

Anyway Kailasa and the GBC are saying that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem dead person, and therefore even Kailasa's own wife Jadurani went off to find the living saints from the Gaudiya Math. Kailasa is sending people packing off to other missions, just like his GBC brothers. He is destroying people's faith in worship of the pure devotee, and destroying lives, and destroying ISKCON ... and for 40 years. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com