Narayan Maharaja Lied About Meeting Gaura Govinda Maharaja?

The Liar's Club

Narayan Maharaja with Tamal Krishna swami. 

LA Das: In closing I wish Srila BV Narayan Maharaja and his followers all the best. I personally had a number of exchanges with Narayan Maharaja that were very beneficial for me. I have great respect for his realizations and position. He is my spiritual uncle and his followers my dear cousins many of whom I am friends with. My purpose in writing this is simply, for the pleasure of my guru Srila Gaura Govinda Maharaja. I want to present -- as they are -- some historical points that I have found on this issue.

If you are interested I could also refer you to dozens of different godbrothers, including those who served as intimate servants of our Guru Maharaja who can substantiate the above points.

Thank you Prabhuji. Please forgive me for writing you out of the blue like this. I haven't had the good fortune to meet you, or the good fortune to read your book (which again, sounds like a valuable historical presentation). In any future editions I would be grateful if you cut out this mention of them being friends, or at least state that it is controversial if they ever met at all.

[PADA: Right, there seems to be some Narayan Maharaja and Gaura Govinda Maharaja folks who claim that GGM and Narayan Maharaja were great friends, they had friendly exchanges, and that GGM had told his followers to take shelter of Narayan Maharaja. That version is NOW being contested by some of the other Gaura Govinda Maharaja folks as -- fake news. OK -- NM lied.]

If /when you come to Jagannath Puri, please come to our ashram for some prasadam. I would love to meet you.

Sri guru o vaishnava-kripa-lesha-prarthi (desiring a speck of mercy of Sri Guru and the vaishnavas),

M Das

LA Das:

A few observations/comments on Srila Narayan Maharaja's words:

1) First of all, our Guru Maharaja (Gaura Govinda Maharaja) could not walk by himself, much less go up or down stairs. He was physically crippled and had to have the constant help of an assistant to move about.

2) Similarly, he was unable to offer his dandavat pranams without the assistance of two devotees -- one on each side to help him get down and back up.

3) I have been to the Singania house several times. All the rooms there are very small. Even if somehow miraculously, he was able to do it by himself, it would not have been physically possible for our Guru Maharaja to offer his dandavats in such a small area.

4) Similarly, Guru Maharaja would not have been able to climb into a riksaw by himself. Although Srila Narayan Maharaja stated that Guru Maharaja did the above-mentioned things by himself (moving about and offering dandavats), Srila Maharaja also said that Guru Maharaja was with a servant. 

[PADA: OK so Narayan Maharaja evidently made up the story that he met with GGM. And then many of the GGM folks accepted NM's false story, and ran off to Narayan Maharaja, based on this alleged, but fictional "meeting and endorsement." Was NM tricking the GGM folks into thinking GGM wanted NM to be their guide after GGM departed? It looks that way.] 

We spoke to all of Guru Maharaja's servants and none of them recall this meeting. At one point, someone in Srila Narayan Maharaja's sanga said that our godbrother Virabhadra Prabhu was the servant at that time. Virabhadra Prabhu did spend some time as Guru Maharaja's servant. However, when he was asked by myself and several of our senior godbrothers, Virabhadra told us, No. He was never present during any such meeting. 

Incidentally, Virabhadra Prabhu's wife was initiated by Narayan Maharaja. Virabhadra is not against Narayan Maharaja, rather he would have every reason to support that supposed meeting.

[PADA: Yep, the supposed, alleged, maybe, possible GGM and NM meeting, that cannot be verified by anyone. However, what is true, many of the Gaura Govinda Maharaja folks did run off to NM, including this fellow Virabhadra prabhu's wife. NM made a convincing argument, your guru recommended me to continue his program. Yet there seems to be no basis for his claim. 

Of course, GGM lied that Srila Prabhupada wanted us to worship his homosexual and pedophile pals as our kid's messiahs, so they all fit together as a club -- because NM also wanted our kids to worship his homosexual and pedophile messiah's club. 

And NM said Sridhara Maharaja is a bona fide acharya, and Sridhara Maharaja is the founder father of the 1936 homosexual messiah's club of the Gaudiya Matha, which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills -- vaishnavas. Sign me up! And then they started the same program in ISKCON with GGM being their big cheer leader.]

5) Moreover, at that time of this alleged meeting, Guru Maharaja went by car everywhere. There was no question of him moving by riksaw.

6) It's inconceivable that they could have met and there were no recordings and no photographs taken. Our Guru Maharaja and Srila Narayan Maharaja both had hundreds of disciples who constantly followed them and recorded their every movement. I've never seen, nor heard of any such recordings.

[PADA: Yep, when Narayan Maharaja would be with his pedophile guru's sampradaya leader Tamal, there are photos, and when he went to hug his genital oral sex pedophile messiah's like Kirtanananda, there are also photos, but no photos of his alleged meeting with GGM? No record of their discussions, etc. Did NM simply make this story up to gather the GGM folks over to his camp?]

7) If as is claimed, our Guru Maharaja requested siksa from Srila BV Narayan Maharaja it was something that he kept secret. He never spoke to anyone that we have found about it, nor did he even write about it in his personal diaries, although it was his habit to record everything in those diaries including meetings he had with sadhus outside of ISKCON.

[PADA: Why didn't GGM make a big explanation of this alleged shiksha guru for his people?]

As I note in the attached article regarding the claim that our Guru Maharaja took instructions from Narayan Maharaja about the position of Jagannath Puri: If that is true, then our Guru Maharaja was not a very good follower, for his understanding is / was very different from that of Narayan Maharaja.

9) Aside from the above points, HH Sivarama Maharaja told us something very striking about this alleged relationship between our Guru Maharaja and Narayan Maharaja. First let's say a word or two about Sivarama Maharaja: in the late 80's early 90's, Sivarama Maharaja formally accepted Srila Narayan as his siksa-guru and had a close relationship with him. 

[PADA: And yet many ISKCON people, even Narayan Maharaja people, keep telling me NM had no real important dealings / instructions / interactions with to the GBC guru people. And yet NM was being advertised as the GBC folks "rasika guru" no less. And NM was being advertised as the shiksha guru of ISKCON in many areas of ISKCON, for example in Texas by Tamal.]

Later, Sivarama Maharaja took our Guru Maharaja as his siksa-guru and began keeping his photo on his altar. They also had a close relationship. 

[PADA: This does seem a little bit odd, Sivarama Swami is placing the photos of BV Narayana Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja and maybe others on his altars. And GGM was allegedly having the photo of some sahajiya babaji on his altars. 

What happened to just having Srila Prabhupada on the altars? This has been a big problem, people are offering bhogha to all sorts of different photos on their altars and that means they are eating bhogha, since these offerings are not accepted. And why would both of them endorse the GBC's idea, placing the photos of pedophiles on Krishna's altars?]

Sivarama Maharaja has a reputation for being strictly honest and frank about things. Sivarama Maharaja told us, that on the morning of the day that our Guru Maharaja left this world -- unaware of that upcoming tragedy -- Sivarama Maharaja privately asked him if he had ever met Narayan Maharaja.

Our Guru Maharaja (GGM) replied, "No. We have never met." Bear in mind that my Guru Maharaja was very respectful of Narayan Maharaja. Other disciples and myself have noted that Guru Maharaja was sometimes reading Srila Narayan Maharaja's books.

[PADA: Yes, since Narayan Maharaja and Gaura Govinda Maharaja both promoted the GBC's pedophile acharya's worship program, their ideas actually merged together on the main points. And Narayana Maharaja books were being distributed in different ISKCON temples, and maybe still are now. 

Of course NM made many statements that are contrary to what Srila Prabhupada was preaching, for example he said we do not originate with Krishna, and GGM said that is the correct idea -- Srila Prabhupada is wrong to say we originated with Krishna. They are both attacking the siddhanta of the acharya.] 

10) I can also offer a personal remembrance in this regard: In 1996, shortly after our Guru Maharaja, left this world, a few godbrothers and myself went to visit and take advice from two different sadhus in the Gaudiya Math. One was Srila Bhakti Pramode Puri Maharaja and the second was Srila BV Narayan Maharaja. 

[PADA: BP Puri also said that the GBC's are gurus, since he also endorsed their illicit sex with men, women and children / pedophile pooja / guru parampara of the GBC, placing the photos of pedophiles on the altars for children to worship etc. All of them are part of the same pedophile pooja brotherhood.]

When we went to Narayan Maharaja he was very kind and helpful. He first suggested to us that in separation from our Guru Maharaja we should take shelter of one of our senior godbrothers. Then when he heard that there was no particular godbrother who evoked such faith in all of us, Maharaja kindly offered whatever help he could personally give. 

In the course of that discussion at one point we asked Narayan Maharaja if he had ever met our Guru Maharaja. Srila Narayan Maharaja replied, no they had never met. A few days later, for whatever reason, Srila Narayan Maharaja began speaking to some devotees about this meeting they supposedly had at the Singania house.

[PADA: Wow, so Narayan Maharaja saw an opportunity, that if he lied about meeting GGM he could grab some of his followers away, and he did. Many GGM people ran off to NM, evidently based on his lies.] 

11) Finally, Srila Narayan Maharaja stated several times that our Gurudeva told his disciples that they should go to him (Narayan Maharaja) for shelter. Again, there are no recordings of this, nor any memories of this from anyone that I've spoken to. 

[PADA: OK NM lied, that is evidently all there is to it.]

This is a striking point, for we used to record *everything* that our Guru Maharaja said. It's inconceivable for me to accept the idea that Guru Maharaja, "Told many of his disciples to take shelter of Narayan Maharaja", when there is not one recording of that, nor did I or anyone I know ever hear such a thing from any of our godbrothers (and believe me if any such thing had been said, news of it would have spread like wildfire amongst us).

[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja lied that Srila Prabhupada wanted us to worship his 11 GBC deviant pals. He lied that these 11 deviants have the potency to vote in more gurus. He lied that Srila Prabhupada endorsed the mayavada ideas of Sridhara Maharaja, that we originated in brahman etc. 

Meanwhile GGM agreed with NM that we do not originate with Krishna; that the GBC are gurus; that the sex with taxi drivers in the dhama Vishnupada acharya program can vote in more acharyas, etc. So GGM and NM agree on the main deviations. And both of them said the GBC are giving us "living guidance," and the guidance is -- tell your children to worship our bogus homosexuals, pedophiles, molesters, sexual predators, drug addicts, porno swamis and etc. "gurus from Vaikuntha." OK but who are really from the depths of hell. 

Meanwhile, both NM and GGM were suffering all sorts of ailments which their followers sometimes said came from them "taking karma." OK they are not supposed to be taking karma. They did not even understand the original point of guru tattva, conditioned souls cannot absorb the karma of other conditioned souls. 

So they had our ISKCON children giving their karma to their homosexual and pedophile messiah's pals, and thus children were allegedly giving their karma to these fools, but none of this process can absorb karma. And that is evidently partly the reason why, so many people in and around ISKCON are getting cancer, there is a karma overload coming down the pipeline that is not being absolved in their process. 

In any event, it looks like the liars club is attacking the other members of the liars club. ys pd]

Jadurani endorses NM

After NM said all the molested kids are

"just getting their karma"

Sulochana called them "the boot lickers of the

butt buster's program."

Quite true. GGM always gives mercy to his illicit sex with men, women and children pedophile messiah's club. And he says we are bogus because we worship pure devotees. There is plenty of mercy for his pedophile pooja,  almost none for pure devotee pooja. 

Fortunately, the police, FBI, media and courts gave me the rope of mercy and saved me from GGM's "hang em' high" for pure devotee worshipers program! GGM's program will ban us, beat us, sue us, molest us, and -- kill us. We clearly got the mercy that we survived, at all!