Indradyumna Swami / VS Damaghosh Dasa and PADA

Damaghosha dasa: A couple days ago a devotee friend of mine sent me this lecture Indrayumna swami has given recently in Russia about the "ritvik" devotees all over the world he now felt were threating to come to Russia. Here is my reply to his insults to Srila Prabhupada and all the rest of his bona fide followers.Hare Krsna

damaghosa das-

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Here is an excerpt from from a post Indrayumna Swami lecture in Russia recently posted, where he addresses Ritvik, as full of demoniac lies and twists. This was sent to me.

I.S.: WHAT IS THE ṚTVIK PEOPLE?

Another strong attack on ISKCON is the ṛtvik people. How many of you know what is the ṛtvik movement? Just a few of you. Okay,


D: Only a few of his followers say they know of the ritvik movement -- if thats true, our work has a long way to go or maybe they just lied to their guru to cover themselves.

I.S.: But we could speak for hours about that. But basically, the ṛtvik people,


D: If most of them have not heard of us, then why does he call it a "strong attack" on iskcon?

I.S.: The ṛtvik people say that, "Śrīla Prabhupāda is meant to be the only initiating guru in ISKCON for the next 10,000 years."


D: No we dont say that at all. We only say that Srila Prabhupada has and had a system already in place before he left his body. That HE called ritvik--not us.


I.S.: There's two angles of vision of ṛtviks, either Prabhupāda is meant to be initiating guru forever, or until another self-effulgent, self-realized pure devotee appears in ISKCON.

D: No we dont say this either - we don't say " forever" or until another self effulgent acarya comes along - more fabrications by him and iskcon.

I.S.: Then that person can also accept disciples. And the way that they substantiate this is, number one, by showing the fall down of a number of ISKCON gurus.

[PADA: Where does Srila Prabhupada say the parampara gurus are falling down left, right and center?]

D: This is yet another concoction by iskcon. Their numerous fall downs are not due to their following the ritvik system, but because of their disobedience to Srila Prabhpadas wishes for the continuation of his iskcon. That is where most of the problems began.

Using their fall downs is a negative way to disprove the ritvik system. The system Srila Prabhupada chose was due to his orders and explanations of who can be guru-one can become guru if one is qualified (which none of them are) and most importantly is -- they are authorized, which they were not. You cannot find one tiny bit of evidence to prove Prabhupada ever said he wanted everyone to become initiating gurus - never. What he did say was that his disciples were to become siksa gurus, and not diksa gurus. 

I.S.: This means that philosophy is cracked because so many leading gurus have fallen down, they were not qualified. And the others will fall very soon.

[PADA: The ritvik idea, that acharyas are not ever fallen or debauchees, is cracked because, the ritviks say gurus are not deviants and illicit sex predators. What?]

D: This is unclear what he means here. First of all, he is offensive to his own guru Srila Prabhuapada just for saying the ritvik system is cracked - like only a cracked headed madman would even suggest such a system. Prabhupada himself said if one initiates without authorization his fall down is guaranteed - and that is what we have seen over the past 40 years or so.

What is evident is that he at least admits so many iskcon gurus have fallen down-not a very good track record at all for those who are supposed to lead one from birth and death would you say? All he is doing by this foolish statement is admitting that iskcon's system for appointing gurus has failed.

I.S.: And, number two, from the history surrounding Prabhupāda's departure. Prabhupāda, before he passed away, he said that he will assign eleven of his disciples who were the ṛtviks, or officiating ācāryas, to initiate on his behalf.

[PADA: The priests give the baptism on behalf of their guru, that is also called the ritvik system. Here Indradyumna says -- only the ritvik system was authorized, which is what we said all along. Srila Prabhupada only assigned the GBC folks as ritviks, and not as full fledged acharyas. In other words, Srila Prabhupada did not see anyone who is qualified to take the post of acharya, so he did not name anyone.]

D: Right- those 11 were deputed to initiate on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. He has this correct. But where iskcon went off track was that they say after Prabhupada leaves his body then they can become "regular " spiritual masters - yet what they fail to understand is THAT "order" to become regular acaryas never came nor were they qualified. If one believes this to be true then show us the proof. There was no order. All he said was ritvik, thats all.

And worse still for them TKG even admitted about 4 months before Prabhupada's departure that after studying all the ISKCON Godbrothers - that none of them are qualified to become gurus, and Prabhupada agreed with his assessment.

[PADA: But why would a pure devotee appoint conditioned souls to be Krishna's successors in the first place?]

I.S.: So, these are the two basic presentations of the ṛtvik people. I mean, it is quite involved, but these are the two basic presentations.

D: Well at least he admits its not just the july 9th letter which we present as the only "evidence" The evidence is all over the books-if one actually reads the books.

I.S.: They have different tape recordings of Prabhupāda, and different things Prabhupāda said, etc. Let us discuss these two things a little bit, so when the ṛtviks come to Russia - and they will come to Russia - you won't be bamboozled or bewildered by these arguments.

D: The "ritviks " are already all over Russia and there are many of them who are not being fooled by the antics of bogus gurus in iskcon. Your bogus gurus days are numbered.

I.S.: WILL ALL THE ISKCON GURUS FALL DOWN?

So first of all, the first argument is that many gurus have fallen.

D: The fact that iskcon gurus have fallen down is not the proof we use to establish the ritvik system. That is a separate issue. Because the sun is out today does not mean it can't be raining also. I don't know if some of you can follow this logic, but there it is. The sun is already out means Prabhupada is self effulgent as are his instructions but for those under the cloud of illusion - for them its only raining outside. They simply cannot see the Sun. We dont use a negative to prove a positive.

[PADA: At the same time yes, the fact that many / most of their GBC's gurus are falling down left, right and center does in fact prove something: -- they are not, were not, could not have been -- gurus. Srila Prabhupada says it is one of the ten offenses to consider that gurus are ordinary and fallen conditioned souls. Now we find people like Bhakti Vikas swami, Bahushira, GBC, ICC and all the rest of them saying -- it is common to have deviants and debauchees -- if not pedophiles -- in the guru chain from Krishna. 

Of course since the GBC is promoting a pedophile guru lineage, with current pedophiles still being worshiped, and past pedophiles being buried in samadhis, and which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas, that means -- all of the participants are fallen. Not only fallen -- but fully responsible for aborting all these spiritual children of Srila Prabhupada, his spiritual babies, and removing them from the womb of ISKCON -- back to the material world, where most of them ended up, and most of them are now dead after being taken outside the womb.]

I.S.: Well, many have not fallen (laughter). More have not fallen than have fallen. Those of us who are initiating, at least I can say for myself, we are not pure devotees of the Lord. I am not. I don't see Kṛṣṇa in Vṛndāvana. I don't cry tears of ecstasy when I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. I'm not and will never be on the level of Śrīla Prabhupāda. But it does not mean that I'm gonna fall down.

D: No they all will all fall down because that is what Srila Prabhupada himself says in many places. False gurus are going down into the lower planets. 

And that their so called disciples will also fall with them into hellish life after this one. He says some of the iskcon gurus are not fallen, yet is not even ashamed of the pictures taken of him with so many young girls in bikinis at the beach, of him fondling little girls on his lap etc. 

Has he not heard that so called sannyasis are never to have any intimate or closeup connection with women? He cannot even see how he is "already fallen" and his condition will be getting only worse.

Because there are no tears of ecstasy in his eyes when he chants is not the reason he is already fallen. He is fallen due to disobedience to his own guru and his instructions. When one disobeys his bona fide guru, means he has immediately disconnected his link to him Therefore he is already fallen and the gross part of this fall down is yet to be publicly seen, apparently. Maybe it already has been seen but these people are expert at hiding these things even when so many know about it.

[PADA: Yes, supporting an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is already fallen.]  

I.S.: That would defeat the whole philosophy that you can advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness to the stage of pure devotion by following the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

[PADA: They keep saying supporting their worship of illicit sex gurus program means they are advancing? Advancing to where?] 

D: But their problem is they don't even know the standard path that should be taken by a bona fide disciple. Otherwise, they would not still have the glaring problem in iskcon of not knowing what is the philosophy of guru tattva-yet . So they set up their so called "brahminical advisory committee" to tell them. And these devotees admit they still don't have a definitive paper on Guru Tattva even now. And now women can be diksa gurus too - just get enough of their valueless no objections votes and your in. What a farce it has become.

I.S: But I can repeat what my spiritual master has said, I can set a good example for my disciples, and by following my example and hearing what Prabhupāda has said from me, you can become Kṛṣṇa conscious.

[PADA: A pedophile guru program has no connection to Krishna whatever.]

D: Here we go again-"milk touched by the lips of a servant causes a poisonous effect"

If one cannot repeat verbatim what Prabhupada has said or written then he (SP) says it is better to not have accepted initiation for that is hypocrisy. Worse still is when one concocts what the bona fide guru has said and comes up with one lie after another. What to speak of setting a good example which he does not. 

It is common knowledge that he is around beautiful girls many times, especially in bikinis, yet he thinks this is setting a good example? What a fool he is.
These are the kinds of bogus swamis Prabhupada has repeatedly warned us about in his books.

I.S.: There's different types of pure devotees (chuckles). A disciple can see his spiritual master as a pure devotee in the sense that his spiritual master has fully dedicated his body, mind and words to the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Śrīla Prabhupāda.

D: No there is only one type of pure devotee-he is 100% PURE This fellow has not dedicated his mind or eyes to God when he is seen so many times with young and beautiful girls in bikinis. No pure devotee or bona fide guru would ever do such a thing. 

One time Prabhupada was in his room with his sister Pisima, and with Buddhimanta das, and this devotee got up to leave and Prabhupada told him to stay. Asked later as to why he had to stay he replied a sannyasi is never to be alone with a woman even if his sister or mother, what to speak of young girls.

I.S.: vaco vegam manasah krodha-vegam jihva-vegam udaropastha-vegam Basically, one who can control his senses, and one who is fully immersed in the missionary activities of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is qualified to make disciples all over the world. It doesn't say that one has to be experienced in the eight ecstatic symptoms of love of God.

D: Actually the Maha bhagavat does have all 8 mystic siddhis at his command but usually does not show this material opulence This is just one of the minor qualifications of a pure devotee spiritual master. There are some powerful yogis that have these mystic opulences and yet-they are still not pure devotees.

I.S.: One has to be of a certain stature in Kṛṣṇa consciousness to be an initiating guru, that I agree. But ṛtvik people say that unless one is, you know, completely self-realized devotee of the Lord who can see Kṛṣṇa in Vṛndāvana, that he shouldn't initiate. But that is not our philosophy.

D: This is where they really don't understand the proper siddhanta of guru tattva. How can the bound up release the other bound up souls? If you have ropes tying you up how can you untie others? This is found in a BG purport.

In one place only in the book called Nectar of instruction Prabhupada does say that a neophyte or an intermediate disciple can accept disciples but it is understood these disciples cannot advance very far or especially to the ultimate goal of Bhakti. So it is best one takes initiation from an uttama adhikari. Which Indrayumna admits he is NOT.

And furthermore in his last instructions like july 9th for instance on this business of initiations, Prabhupada gave his final decree that he only authorized ritviks to give initiations in the future when no longer with us.

[PADA: The Nectar of Instruction actually says the disciple should only accept the Uttama has his guru. And furthermore, people who imitate their guru "will eventually become degraded." Never mind they and their followers are "destined for the most obnoxious regions." They handily overlook these types of quotes.]

I.S.: Prabhupāda said, even one who is kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, he can accept disciples. And the fact that there're gurus who have fallen down does not mean that the process is wrong, because even during Lord Caitanya's time some gurus were falling down.

D: We are not concerned with devotees 500 years ago but only with what Srila Prabhupada told us to do. If one accepts diksa from a 3rd class bhakta and has available also for diksa the top most uttama adhikari Maha Bhagavat to give him diksa---then he is very very unfortunate. But this unfortunate situation can be immediately changed by rejecting the 3rd class bhakta and accepting the uttama adhikari Maha Bhagavata-Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said that it is common for acharyas in our parampara to be falling down left, right and center, neither 500 years ago or -- ever. Rather, he says it is a severe offense to consider gurus are ordinary and falling down conditioned souls.]

I.S.: The sannyāsīs are the natural spiritual masters of the society, and Chota Haridās, Junior Haridās, fell down. A personal associate of Lord Caitanya, Kṛṣṇadāsa Brahmacārī, he was the Lord's assistant when He went to South India, he fell down! And Narahari Sarkara wrote a book, Kṛṣṇa Bhajanāmṛta, which explains what to do if your guru falls down.

D: If your guru falls down then his is not a very high grade of devotion because as Prabhupada explains an authorized maha Bhagavat pure devotee will never fall down even if he goes to preach. 

I.S.: Which means that you pray like anything that he comes back and becomes properly situated, and can continue to guide you in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

D: If your unauthorized bogus guru falls down, how can a very fallen devotee continue to guide you, when he cant even guide himself?

[PADA: This is amazing. The people who are orchestrating devotees being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated need to -- stay in power. And when they leave, we should pray they come back, so their dirty work can expand and continue. Why does Indradyumna want us to pray to have the banning, beating, molesting, suing and Vaishnava killing regime -- stay in power.] 

I.S.: You wait for him to come back. If he doesn't come back, that's another lecture. But the point is that there were gurus who were falling down. But not every guru! (chuckles) Some. So in ISKCON some have fallen. 

Śrī Prahlāda dāsa: "In Gauḍīya Maṭh, too." 

Indradyumna Swami: In Gauḍīya Maṭh so many gurus have fallen. In Rāmānujācārya's sampradāya so many gurus have fallen. So one shouldn't think, "Oh, my guru will also fall." That's offensive. If you lose your faith in guru, then you lose your faith in Kṛṣṇa.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said we should accept conditioned souls as our gurus, or offer bhogha to, or worship, persons prone to illicit sex and other deviations. Nor did he say that if we fail to worship conditioned souls we will lose faith in Krishna. Rather, Srila Prabhupada says, when people worship conditioned souls as their gurus, it destroys the entire mission.]

D: If you find the bona fide and authorized spiritual master then where is the loss. When you lose faith from your personal experience, that is losing faith in something that could never help you realize the ultimate goal of life - Krsna Prema. And Krsna would never reject such a sincere person. And in fact it is Krsna Himself who has guided you, as Supersoul, to the right person and shown you who is the right person and who is the wrong person.

I.S: So they are saying like that, that we can only accept Prabhupāda as the guru. But that's never been in our Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava tradition, or any sampradāya.

D: Another lie or fabrication.

Prabhupada himself told us that the reason the Gaudiya matha failed was because they disobeyed the orders of Bhaktisddhanta maharaja and then they themselves took over the Matha, became gurus artificially, and sometimes because of so much lying and cheating ... they had to change the temple acarya sometimes 3 times a year. 

This same thing has happened to iskcon. It has broken down practically everywhere and you can't even find Srila Prabhuapda's original books in HIS temples anymore. What does that tell you? 

Prabhupada said we can open any number of temples in the world if we keep the Acarya in the center. But now because they, (the bogus gurus) want him (Prabhupada ) out and themselves in, its like throwing a bunch of rocks into a pond by different people. All you get is ripples of disharmony instead of ripples of ecstasy. There has to be ONE center otherwise it can never be harmonious and peaceful, what to speak of world wide productive for preaching. When this happened in the Gaudiya matha, Prabhupada says THIS caused the preaching to stop.

I.S.: Prabhupāda many times said that the spiritual master can accept disciples while he is living, but after he passes away, he can't accept any more disciples.

D: I would really like to see where and when Srila Prabhupada said this outright lie - he says many times - I say just show me one place where Prabhupada says this. Show the proof.

I.S.: How is it possible? How can he train them, enthuse them, inspire them in Kṛṣṇa consciousness? We need the living representative Prabhupāda said, "He, who is disciple now, if he is qualified, he will be spiritual master in the future."

[PADA: Yep, so they made illicit sex with men, women and children gurus and declared they are the qualified successors to Krishna. And that is why their temples are ghost towns.]

D: Its a well known fact that most of Prabhupadas disciples NEVER met their guru-and yet they were all disciples and given the instructions needed by their leaders or TP's at that time. So there was never a lack of physical guidance.
If he is qualified he says - yes but none of us were ever qualified nor authorized. Just because one can follow the 4 reg's and chant 16 rounds means one is now a human being - not necessarily a pure devotee capable of delivering people from birth and death.

I.S.: And Prabhupāda said on many occasions that he was training his disciples that in the future they would also be spiritual masters.

[PADA: Well if the kindergarten teacher says all of my students should become brain surgeons, that does not mean we take these kindergarten children into the hospital operating table and give them a scalpel to start doing surgery now ...]

D: Yes Prabhupada was hoping for that, but why did he stop giving sannyas in 1977? Because as he said so many of these big big leaders /disciples were falling down and making a laughing stock. He was always hoping for our best, yet we failed to come up to his standard. So these words were meant for his most ambitious disciples who at least for some, already had their own pictures on the altars of Prabhupadas temples, before he departed even. I mean can you believe it? They could not even wait until he left his body.

I.S.: You think that all of the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvatī who began initiating, were fully self realized souls? Every guru, you know, who accepts disciples since the times of Kṛṣṇa, was a fully realized soul?

[PADA: Prabhupada said none of my God brothers are qualified to be acharyas.]

D: Yes all the gurus in our disciplic succession (page 29 BG) are fully self realized pure devotees. As for the rest, who knows, and that is not our concern anyway. The Gaudiya matha was and still is a mess, just like iskcon. These people in iskcon are more concerned with the many deviations present all over India in the form of brahmanas, swamis, yogis and what they do, instead of what their own guru Srila Prabhupada told them to do. Why is that? Personal motivation.

I.S.: Sometimes yes, other times they were simply passing on the perfect message. “DISCIPLES OF MY DISCIPLES” So, then there is the other presentation, that Prabhupāda said these eleven men should, you know, be ṛtviks. But without going into all the dialog, and the tape conversations, and the things Prabhupada wrote ...

D: Why is what Prabhupada said about "all these things" boring?? It should be enlivening to those who don't know, not boring. The problem is as always - ignorance of devotees to understand all that Prabhupada taught. When they don't know or even care to know then they deserve to be cheated.

I.S.: Prabhupāda wrote ... I won't bore you with all that, but if the need be, I will sometime refer to that. Prabhupāda did make those eleven men ṛtviks, which means they would perform initiating ceremony, they would chant on the beads, they would give the names, etc., because Prabhupāda was too sick to travel to do that. But it didn't mean that after Prabhupāda's departure they would continue to accept disciples on behalf of Śrīla Prabhupāda. 

The GBC asked Prabhupāda that question, "What about when you leave?" And Prabhupāda said, "They will be disciples of my disciples." Okay? Just remember that one line. Prabhupāda said, "They will be disciples of my disciples." "My disciples will be regular gurus,"

D: Here we get down to real nitty gritty of their misunderstandings. Disciple of my disciple means these ritviks would be initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, which means the new people were NOT disciples of those who were conducting the fire yajna. Prabhupada said I am the initiating guru and you (all the ritviks) are the instructing gurus. So in that sense the ritviks were "gurus" but they do not take on the karmas of the new disciple at initiation - that karma goes to Srila Prabhupada and it is he who cleanses the new initiates, not the ritvik gurus.
He never said my disciples will become "regular gurus" meaning diksa gurus.

[PADA: Actually the May tape says, they will be ritviks in the future after I depart. He also said he would name some people when the training is complete, but that means, the training is not complete. Moreover, no names are mentioned on the May tape. Moreover, when they deviate that have to be replaced, which means they are not self realized souls.] 

I.S.: Now, in order to substantiate their speculation, they twist everything, and turn everything, and take references from other places. "You can't be a guru until you're self-realized." You know, everyone's got their quote. But Prabhupāda said, "They will be disciples of my disciples, my granddisciples." So this throws the whole ṛtvik philosophy out the window.

[PADA: No, if they deviate and have to be replaced, they cannot liberate others. In any case, according to them -- everyone of the thousands of disciples was supposed to be guru. OK, so then we our fellow gurus banned, beaten, exiled, sued, vilified, demonized, and assassinated. What kind of religions bans, beats and kills -- thousands of its gurus? 

We are all gurus, so we get banned, chased with baseball bats and -- shot in the head? What kind of religion treats its gurus like that? All of the new followers are supposed to be our grand disciples, so let us ban, beat and kill the gurus of those grand disciples?]

D: Grand disciple means the new initiate is now the grand disciple of Srila Prabhupada. And the ritvik is still a disciple of Prabhupada and those he initiates on behalf of Prabhupada is grand disciple. This system is still followed today in the Ramanujacarya and Madhavacarys maths.

[PADA: Where in shastra does it say persons who are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children are diksha gurus in the parampara? And Indradyumna's pal BB Govinda buried a porno swami in a samadhi. Why does Indradyumna want people to worship his porno watching deviants gurus in samadhi, not far from the samadhis of the actual Vaishnava saints of Vrndavana. 

The citizens of ISKCON will be worshiping porno watching people -- forever -- in a samadhi. And why would Indradyumna want little kids to go to the dham to worship his pedophiles and porno people in samadhis, forever, because samadhis are "eternal resting places of the eternal pure devotees"?]

I.S.: But they are very organized, these ṛtvik people. There's lots of papers, they put everything on e-mail, and they're probably planning to come to Russia. So, if you get something on e-mail, you say, "My guru has not fallen. He helps me advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He is connecting me to Śrīla Prabhupāda, Śrīla Prabhupāda is my śikṣā-guru.

[PADA: Illicit sex with men, women and children is the line of diksha gurus, Srila Prabhupada is only a by-stander shiksha devotee.]

D: Prabhupada said HE is the diksa guru and his disciples are all siksa gurus-its this fellow who has twisted things around.

I.S.: I've other śikṣā-gurus also in ISKCON who are always helping me." Right? And, besides that, Prabhupāda said, "Disciple of my disciples." So you just take this letter and throw it in a window. Do we think that Prabhupāda did want to change the system which has been in place since time immemorial?

D: This is another bogus argument-tradition. Tradition can be changed or made new by any self realized Acarya - that is his privilege. There are so many things Prabhupada did that did not follow the so called vedic "tradition."

[PADA: Yes, that is their idea, their worship of: illicit sex with men, women and children, pedophiles, sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis etc. is "the Vedic tradition." Umm, nope. No one has ever worshiped deviants as acharyas in the tradition.] 

I.S.: That his disciple, who is qualified, eventually becomes the guru? Was Prabhupāda going to change something? Did he say something privately with somebody, or write one letter to somebody? No. Prabhupāda was following the system. He was ācārya. He was setting the example of the system which had been in place for millions of years. So this is a summary, a very, very brief summary of the ṛtvik situation.

[PADA: Where does Srila Prabhupada say the worship of pedophiles as acharyas is the tradition? Can Indradyumna, Bhakti Vikas, Radhanath, Gopal Krishna swamis, or any of them, show us where pedophile worship is in the Vedic tradition?]

D: Yes that is the vedic system, but Prabhupada sometimes did and did not follow the vedic system. (where do you find bramacarinis living in temples?) Just like sudras are never to be initiated by the vedic system, yet Srila Bhaktisiddhanta maharaja proved that pancaratriki system can and should be followed in kali yuga which means if one is initiated by a bona fide guru then his body immediately becomes brahmana. He is no longer a sudra by birth.

[PADA: There is no tradition of worshiping illicit sex and pedophiles as gurus in any religion anywhere.]

I.S: And for lack of time and also because summary is easier to hear, or easier to read if we put it in a written form for disciples on my disciples' conference, we're just making a basic summary. But if there's any particular questions about Gauḍīya Maṭh, about Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja, about ṛtvik, then you can write to me and I'll answer these questions. But this should be enough for those, who are loyal ISKCON followers, to understand and accept.

D: Yes we have so many questions for you "maharaja" but I don't think you will even understand those questions what to speak of knowing the proper answers.

Hare Krsna
damaghosa das

Is this Indradyumna person really -- a Sannyasi? What to speak of bona fide spiritual master? I guess these female devotees never heard of covering their heads with sari, what to speak of the rest of their bodies?

[PADA: Yup. Indradyumna was under fire for having a photo album of all sorts of little girls in bikinis -- that he personally took at the beach somewhere around Russia. That photo album was removed -- after we exposed it. 

These photos are still floating around somewhere, but I personally did not post them to save the victims from embarrassment. At the same time, there are weird photos of Indradyuma sort of petting or hugging little girls, which looks strange in itself. Overall, he has created more problems than solutions. Meanwhile, his telling neophytes like Jayapataka to absorb sins is not going to well for his compadres. ys pd] 

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