Indradyumna Swami "Attacks on ISKCON" pt. 3

SP: Under no circumstances allow other people to touch your feet.

You will be acting as gurus, taking their karma -- 

and that will make you:

get sick, fall down, or both. "You will have to suffer."

And maybe -- die.

Indradyumna swami: There's different types of pure devotees (chuckles). 

[PADA: "Chuckles." Yes, one of the ex-gurukli children victims of severe abuses in the Indradyumna swami program's "guru-schools" system told me -- it is totally infuriating for him to see that these people like Indradyumna swami, Bhakti Vikas swami, Radhanath swami and many other ISKCON leaders are often seen chuckling and laughing, evidently, they seem to think all of the suffering their program caused to us children is some kind of comedy hour joke. 

"They are always chuckling, we are always suffering. They just think all the suffering they make for others is -- comedy. This is like some kind of horror movie where the demons make other people suffer -- while they just sit and laugh. They have no feelings for their victims, which is the symptom of the demons." 

Yep, even HKC Jaipur thug Prahad das [Paul Coats?] was chuckling in a video he made about the child abuse, and some victims commented, he also thinks child abuse is his personal Bennie Hill comedy hour show. Then the demon clowns who made this child nightmare circus, cannot understand why the children abandoned their "religion"?]  

A disciple can see his spiritual master as a pure devotee in the sense that his spiritual master has fully dedicated his body, mind and words to the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Srila Prabhupada.

vaco vegam manasah krodha-vegam
jihva-vegam udaropastha-vegam

[PADA: However, in ISKCON Jayadvaita swami says their gurus are often falling into illicit sex with men, women and maybe children. How can we say these falling down people are "dedicated to Krishna"? 

And Bhakti Vikas swami says their gurus are often "crashing like jumbo jets" -- making most of the passengers die off spiritually and abandon ISKCON. OK so "one after another" of these gurus crashes; like Jumbo Jets, and then most people die in the crash! 

And this one bloops away and he takes thousands of people out of ISKCON in the process. And then the next one bloops and also takes thousands of MORE people out of ISKCON. And having thousands and thousands of people exiting ISKCON -- in one giant Jumbo Jet crash after the next, is how Srila Prabhupada wanted ISKCON to be managed? We got rid of a few thousand here, a few thousand there, we are doing good! For Satan! 

How can a religion be managed -- when thousands of people are leaving in one Jumbo Jet crash after the next? 

And! How is any of this connected to being "dedicated to the mission"? The mission has gone bankrupted, morally and financially, and is now an empty ghost town -- even according to leaders like Lokanath swami. And that is the result of the mission being dedicated to Srila Prabhupada? 

For example, around here 95% of the original Prabhupada devotees left, 95% of their children left, 95% of the disciples of new gurus left, leaving West Coast temples with a teeny small group of people barely holding the fort. One ex-book distributing woman here told me -- she avoids going to the ISKCON temples because "if I want to be depressed, I will watch a horror movie." She is too depressed to see the empty building that once had hundreds of people.

How does this serve the mission of God? Rather! Sounds like it is serving the mission of Satan and not God? Why would God want His temples turned into empty, deserted moon-scapes? This is serving the mission of Kali Yuga, not Krishna.]

Basically, one who can control his senses, and one who is fully immersed in the missionary activities of Krishna consciousness is qualified to make disciples all over the world. It doesn't say that one has to be experienced in the eight ecstatic symptoms of love of God. One has to be of a certain stature in Krishna consciousness to be an initiating guru, that I agree. 

But ritvik people say that unless one is, you know, completely self-realized devotee of the Lord who can see Krishna in Vrindavana, that he shouldn't initiate. But that is not our philosophy. Prabhupada said, even one who is kaninistha-adhikari, he can accept disciples.

[PADA: No Srila Prabhupada does not say kanistha adhikaris can take the post of acharya -- and give pure divyam jnanam and act like another Jesus and absorb the sins of others. Rather, Srila Prabhupada says -- when the kanisthas imitate the uttama -- it is sahajiya. And it will destroy the mission -- just like it destroyed the Gaudiya Matha. And furthermore, the Nectar of Instruction says neophytes imitation of guru causes one to "eventually become degraded."

The Indradyumna program is rather simple really: (A) kanisthas / debauchees / illicit sex / Vodka drinkers / pedophiles et al. are all part of their "guru chain" of Krishna's alleged successors or acharyas. (B) Anyone who disagrees is banned, beat, sued and killed. 

Then -- for example, their kanistha gurus can steal all the money meant to feed the ISKCON children, and give these children rotten old moldly oatmeal to eat, while some of the Indradyumna party of elite leaders get to eat huge 25 course feasts every day. Then the GBC will employ child abusers and child beaters -- who beat the children with sticks and knock their teeth out and break their bones -- and have them molested -- so that the money meant to employ proper teachers can be used instead by Indradyumna's party to live like Saudi Princes. 

In sum, "kanisthas are gurus" then means: everyone else is banned, beat, sued, molested and maybe assassinated. That is the entire foundation of their kanistha guru process. Sulochana said they are standing high, but only because they are lifted up on the top of a huge pile of the skulls -- of all the people they had to abuse, remove and eliminate to artificially take that post.] 

And the fact that there're gurus who have fallen down does not mean that the process is wrong, because even during Lord Caitanya's time some gurus were falling down. The sannyasis are the natural spiritual masters of the society, and Chota Haridas, Junior Haridas, fell down. A personal associate of Lord Caitanya, Krishnadasa Brahmacari, he was the Lord's assistant when He went to South India, he fell down!

[PADA: None of these people who fell are considered as acharyas in the parampara. Neophyte devotees are NOT considered as acharyas. The list of 32 acharyas does not include any fallen people, and it is an offense to say there is fall down commonly happening in the guru parampara.]  

And Narahari Sarkara wrote a book, Krishna Bhajanamrita, which explains what to do if your guru falls down. Which means that you pray like anything that he comes back and becomes properly situated, and can continue to guide you in Krishna consciousness. You wait for him to come back. If he doesn't come back, that's another lecture. But the point is that there were gurus who were falling down. But not every guru! (chuckles) Some. So in ISKCON some have fallen.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada's books do not say that gurus in our parampara are falling down. They are citing another source, without Srila Prabhupada's purports to that source. 

Most of the first wave of 11 fell and most of the second wave fell. Notice, devotees are being banned, beaten, and children are being molested, and devotees are being sued, even assassinated. And that is going on left, right and center. And we should pray to have the people doing that stay, and continue?

When the leaders who are orchestrating these attacks on the Vaishnavas bloop or leave, we should pray that the people doing that should come back -- to keep up that process? My dear Lord Krishna, Your devotees are not being sufficiently banned, beaten, exiled, molested, sued and killed, can You please bring back the people who have been doing that after they leave? "Let the beatings continue." 

We really miss their program. 

Why does Indradyumna want us to pray to have anymore of these devotee aggressors and exploiters -- continue -- and even come back when they leave -- to continue their odious program? Oh boo hoo, our program only had maybe 2,000 children molested, let us pray to bring back the orchestrators of that program, so more kids can be molested? Why would we want the orchestrators of this evil empire to be saved, and come back, to create more evil.]

Sri Prahlada dasa: "In Gaudiya Math, too."

Indradyumna Swami: In Gaudiya Math so many gurus have fallen. In Ramanujacarya's sampradaya so many gurus have fallen. So one shouldn't think, "Oh, my guru will also fall." That's offensive. If you lose your faith in guru, then you lose your faith in Krishna. 

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that it is an offense to consider that gurus are ordinary men who are falling. Notice, we have to have faith in the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, or it is an offense to Krishna? 

So notice, now it is common that there are illicit sex gurus in Krishna's guru parampara. Srila Prabhupada says we cannot see the guru as an ordinary man, or it is the mad elephant offense, guru aparadha, and it is one of the ten offenses to the holy name to consider gurus are ordinary men etc.

Srila Prabhupada says, among my God brothers -- no one is qualified to be acharya. He never said these people are gurus and they are falling because, it is common that gurus are falling down. 

Notice the pattern here, Bhakti Vikas swami says guru problems are common, Bahushira says the same, Indradyumna says the same -- in sum -- it is common to have illicit sex with men, women and children in Krishna's guru parampara. So let us make sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis and pedophiles into gurus, since our pedophile guru parampara was going on millions of years ago too, just as it is now.

NOPE! There is no such thing as a chain of illicit sex "guru" deviants coming in the guru chain from God. 

Told ya! ys pd]