Hawaiian Narayan: Bruh how did you guys follow and serve this Kirtanananda dude for so many years???
PD: Because many "senior" people like Narayan Maharaja were the GBC's biggest cheer leaders, sycophants, advisors, rasika acharyas etc. After refusing to meet me after inviting me to his ashram, NM went off to spend time hugging his guru bhai pal Kirtanananda. NM was hugging Kirtanananda to prop him up, just like he propped up the whole molester messiah's regime for years and years.
In sum, Narayan Maharaja was perhaps the biggest cheer leader of the "cult enforced ritualistic worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as the messiah's of children" on the planet.
And that is why so many ISKCON people ran off to him, most of them had already supported the molester messiah's project, and they could not admit they made a mistake, so they went to worship the cheer leaders of that project. NM said the children just got their karma, which means he thinks he has the authority to help the GBC force children to worship pedophiles. And lest we forget, their regime was murdering dissenters, which they evidently also think they have the authority to conduct.
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GEORGE HARRISON INTERVIEW:
https://youtube.com/shorts/kJTTZhZoRlg?si=dEAPMUXzcm1CiEVX
PADA: Yep after Aniha and his pals made their homosexual and pedophile, Andy Warhol, Jimmy Savile, Rasputin "successors to God" project, the important supporters of ISKCON quit supporting. Someone just wrote to tell me they had no idea Leicester ISKCON and Aniha are promoters of the pedophile's pooja project, and they thanked me for informing them. ys pd
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CHEATING AND WEAKNESS
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CHEATING AND WEAKNESS
“Cheating and weakness are two separate things. Persons devoid of a cheating propensity achieve perfection in life, but a cheater is never successful. Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. Cheaters are nondevotees. Sincere persons can be weak, but they are not cheaters. Cheaters say something but do something else. Weak people are embarrassed by their defects, whereas cheaters are maddened by their achievements. “I will cheat the acharya,” “I will deceive the doctor,” “I will nourish the poisonous snake of my sinful propensity with banana and milk, hiding him in the hole of my cheating propensity,” and “I will demand name and fame from the people while posing as a saint”:
These are not symptoms of weakness but of utter deceitfulness. Such cheaters will never achieve any good. By hearing humbly from saints with a sincere attitude, however, one will gradually attain auspiciousness. After accepting tridandi-sannyasa if one remains busy with worldly activities, thinking that family life is more important than spiritual life or maintaining the sinful mentality of kidnapping Sita from Rama as Ravana did even while dressed as a devotee, then one is a self-killer. We are far from the worship of Hari. Even if we have weakness and have enough anarthas to last us for millions of years, we are not as misfortunate as if we possessed a cheating propensity. It is better to take birth as animals or birds than to take shelter of cheating.”
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura "Prabhupadera Upadesamrta"
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I believe you have blocked me on text so I hope you get this message:
Please stop telling devotees that I prevented you from visiting with Dhananjaya against his will, as it is simply not true. Devotees are coming to me and telling me that you are saying this to them.
Dhananjaya had been unwilling to have any visitors in the weeks before his passing. As he had been feeling very vulnerable and sensitive during this time. His close friend Jahnava came to his home on September 10th to stay with him for a few days because he could not be at home alone.
I know that your last exchanges with him were friendly, so the first thought that I had was maybe he is embarrassed to see you because of his condition. But it was not my place to force him to do anything.
You have no idea how much his mother, brother, sister and I were scrambling to get him the help and care that he needed in his rapidly declining condition. All we wanted to do was what he wanted. The day that he went to hospice, he was at my home. He was still speaking and communicating.
So please stop telling devotees this made up story, because it is causing me a lot of distress, already having to make all of his final arrangements and help my children deal with the loss of their father, among so many other things that are going on with our family. Please let my family mourn in peace.
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A few gems from Srila Prabhupada about Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.
After fulfilling his responsibility to produce a nice child, one should take sannyāsa and engage in the perfectional paramahaṁsa stage. paramahaṁsa refers to the most highly elevated perfectional stage of life. There are four stages within sannyāsa life, and paramahaṁsa is the highest order. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is called the paramahaṁsa-saṁhitā, the treatise for the highest class of human beings. The paramahaṁsa is free from envy. In other stages, even in the householder stage of life, there is competition and envy, but since the activities of the human being in the paramahaṁsa stage are completely engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or devotional service, there is no scope for envy.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura "Prabhupadera Upadesamrta"
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"O readers, let us become careful and act in such a way that we never make any offence to Bhakti-devi. First, let us take a vow to perform suddha-bhakti by remaining completely indifferent to anything that is opposed to it. We will neither speak nor act in opposition to bhakti just to fulfil someone’s expectations. We will maintain simplicity in every action and we will not allow our behaviour to contradict the disposition of our heart. And we will not try to gain pratistha by displaying artificial symptoms of bhakti to those who are in fact opposed to bhakti.
Our bias will solely be toward suddha-bhakti. We will never support any other siddhanta. Let our hearts and behaviour indeed be the same."
Srila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakur from his Prabhandhavali
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PADA: Heard that Alachua is like the tower of Babel, so many guru camps there. And no small amount of bitter infighting, some wife swapping, intoxication and etc. Now some are not cooperating for a devotee to have a peaceful departing from this world (again):
Mena:
Dear Ramya,
Dear Ramya,
I believe you have blocked me on text so I hope you get this message:
Please stop telling devotees that I prevented you from visiting with Dhananjaya against his will, as it is simply not true. Devotees are coming to me and telling me that you are saying this to them.
Dhananjaya had been unwilling to have any visitors in the weeks before his passing. As he had been feeling very vulnerable and sensitive during this time. His close friend Jahnava came to his home on September 10th to stay with him for a few days because he could not be at home alone.
She saw that he was not wanting to have visitors and often encouraged him to. She also asked me to encourage him to. She can attest to his hesitation to having visitors. One week before his passing, he agreed to see select visitors. I told him the people that were asking about him and wanted to see him, and he answered whether or not he wanted to see them. When I got to your name, he said, very clearly and plainly, “No.” I said, “are you sure?” he said “yes I don’t want to see her.”
I know that your last exchanges with him were friendly, so the first thought that I had was maybe he is embarrassed to see you because of his condition. But it was not my place to force him to do anything.
You have no idea how much his mother, brother, sister and I were scrambling to get him the help and care that he needed in his rapidly declining condition. All we wanted to do was what he wanted. The day that he went to hospice, he was at my home. He was still speaking and communicating.
His mother and sister were with me in my home as well as Gopal and Mrkanda and can attest that DJ was able to speak on Sunday. I told him that I was opening the floodgates for the devotees to come and chant for him, because it was getting very close to him passing. I told him that I was going to invite everyone and I said , “is that OK?” he said, “yes, except for 2 people.”
I asked him who it was, and it was you and one other person. Again, this is his journey, and it was not my job to interfere. It was only my job to carry out his wishes and protect his peace in his final days. I sent this person a message, asking her not to come around as well as the message that I sent you.
When he said no about you a second time, it made me think that maybe he still felt bad about the way you treated him in the past. But I have no way of knowing for sure. I was just doing what he wanted. You can think and feel however you want to about me, but I will not apologize for protecting him in his vulnerable state.
So please stop telling devotees this made up story, because it is causing me a lot of distress, already having to make all of his final arrangements and help my children deal with the loss of their father, among so many other things that are going on with our family. Please let my family mourn in peace.
PADA: Yeah resolve this, and let this family mourn in peace for goodness sakes. People who are grieving a departed family member just don't need a lot of added grief at that stage. We have seen some of this bickering just after the departure of some Vaishnavas, and it just does not seem like these people have understood the teachings.
Of course, someone wrote to tell PADA editor "after you are gone no one will remember you after three days." Well maybe, but you are very aware of my existence now, otherwise you would not write complaints about me like this. Anyway, why would a Vaishnava write another Vaishnava like that, at all? "Hope you die and no one remember you"? Hee hee, unless -- they are not Vaishnavas actually. Mean spirited people are on the mundane side, that is what the teachings say.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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A few gems from Srila Prabhupada about Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.
After fulfilling his responsibility to produce a nice child, one should take sannyāsa and engage in the perfectional paramahaṁsa stage. paramahaṁsa refers to the most highly elevated perfectional stage of life. There are four stages within sannyāsa life, and paramahaṁsa is the highest order. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is called the paramahaṁsa-saṁhitā, the treatise for the highest class of human beings. The paramahaṁsa is free from envy. In other stages, even in the householder stage of life, there is competition and envy, but since the activities of the human being in the paramahaṁsa stage are completely engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or devotional service, there is no scope for envy.
In the same order as Kardama Muni, about one hundred years ago, Ṭhākura Bhaktivinoda also wanted to beget a child who could preach the philosophy and teachings of Lord Caitanya to the fullest extent. By his prayers to the Lord he had as his child Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāja, who at the present moment is preaching the philosophy of Lord Caitanya throughout the entire world through his bona fide disciples.Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: "The Status Quo" : SB 3.22: The Marriage of Kardama Muni and Devahuti : SB 3.22.19 : PURPORT
When Lord Viṣṇu appeared in the great arena of sacrifice at the time when King Pṛthu was performing a great sacrifice (aśvamedha), He predicted that the Kumāras would very soon come and advise the King. Therefore, Pṛthu Mahārāja remembered the causeless mercy of the Lord and thus welcomed the arrival of the Kumāras, who were fulfilling the Lord’s prediction. In other words, when the Lord makes a prediction, He fulfills that prediction through some of His devotees. Similarly, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu predicted that both His glorious names and the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra would be broadcast in all the towns and villages of the world. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Prabhupāda desired to fulfill this great prediction, and we are following in their footstepsBooks : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.22: Prthu Maharaja's Meeting with the Four Kumaras SB 4.22.42
The living entity’s position is herein likened to a dog’s. By chance a dog may have a very rich owner, and by chance he may become a street dog. As the dog of a rich man, he will live very opulently. Sometimes in Western countries we hear of a master leaving millions of dollars to a dog in his will. Of course, there are many dogs loitering in the street without food. Therefore, to liken the conditional existence of the living entity to that of a dog is very appropriate. An intelligent human being, however, can understand that if he has to live the life of a dog, he had best become Kṛṣṇa’s dog. In the material world a dog is sometimes elevated and is sometimes on the street, but in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa’s dog is perpetually, eternally happy.
When Lord Viṣṇu appeared in the great arena of sacrifice at the time when King Pṛthu was performing a great sacrifice (aśvamedha), He predicted that the Kumāras would very soon come and advise the King. Therefore, Pṛthu Mahārāja remembered the causeless mercy of the Lord and thus welcomed the arrival of the Kumāras, who were fulfilling the Lord’s prediction. In other words, when the Lord makes a prediction, He fulfills that prediction through some of His devotees. Similarly, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu predicted that both His glorious names and the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra would be broadcast in all the towns and villages of the world. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Prabhupāda desired to fulfill this great prediction, and we are following in their footstepsBooks : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.22: Prthu Maharaja's Meeting with the Four Kumaras SB 4.22.42
The living entity’s position is herein likened to a dog’s. By chance a dog may have a very rich owner, and by chance he may become a street dog. As the dog of a rich man, he will live very opulently. Sometimes in Western countries we hear of a master leaving millions of dollars to a dog in his will. Of course, there are many dogs loitering in the street without food. Therefore, to liken the conditional existence of the living entity to that of a dog is very appropriate. An intelligent human being, however, can understand that if he has to live the life of a dog, he had best become Kṛṣṇa’s dog. In the material world a dog is sometimes elevated and is sometimes on the street, but in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa’s dog is perpetually, eternally happy.
Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has therefore sung: vaiṣṇava ṭhākura tomāra kukura baliyā jānaha more. In this way Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura offers to become a Vaiṣṇava’s dog. A dog always keeps himself at his master’s door and does not allow any person unfavorable to the master to enter. Similarly, one should engage in the service of a Vaiṣṇava and try to please him in every respect. Unless one does so, he does not make spiritual advancement. Apart from spiritual advancement, in the material world if one does not develop his qualities in goodness, he cannot be promoted to the higher planetary system. As confirmed by Bhagavad-gītā (14.18) Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.29: Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi : SB 4.29.30, SB 4.29.31, SB 4.29.30-31
Thakura Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. And so-called educated, they practically guide. You'll be surprised to know that in 1950, one of my students, he was a government statistics officer. So he went to some village, and he gave me report that the villagers inquired from him that "Babuji, agar angarej ko vote diya yai pasatela (?)"
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: You understand Hindi? No.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: No, I don't. No, no, no.
Srila Prabhupāda: No. The inquiry was that "If we again give votes to the Englishmen, will they come and do." (laughs)
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes, yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. So, they were feeling the... Actually, in India... In our childhood, we know. Every Indian felt very secure. They never expected that Britishers will go. They were so sympathetic. And now they... This is the pulse felt by that statistics officer. They are not very much satisfied with the present system of government. British administration was very much appreciated by the Indians.
Thakura Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. And so-called educated, they practically guide. You'll be surprised to know that in 1950, one of my students, he was a government statistics officer. So he went to some village, and he gave me report that the villagers inquired from him that "Babuji, agar angarej ko vote diya yai pasatela (?)"
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: You understand Hindi? No.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: No, I don't. No, no, no.
Srila Prabhupāda: No. The inquiry was that "If we again give votes to the Englishmen, will they come and do." (laughs)
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes, yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. So, they were feeling the... Actually, in India... In our childhood, we know. Every Indian felt very secure. They never expected that Britishers will go. They were so sympathetic. And now they... This is the pulse felt by that statistics officer. They are not very much satisfied with the present system of government. British administration was very much appreciated by the Indians.
Even Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura appreciated. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, he has written in something, somewhere, that "The Britishers also very nice because they don't interfere with the religious affairs." So as soon as they changed their views and tried to divide the Hindus and Muslims, the British Empire lost. According to Queen's declaration, the Britishers pledged that "They will not interfere with your religious affairs." Later on, for political purposes, when they interfered with this Hindu-Muslim question, then the British Empire lost. Conversations: 1973 Conversations: July, 1973 : Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London
Srila Prabhupāda: We are translating the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and other Vedic literature. You have seen the sample, original verse, word to word meaning, then translation, then giving a purport.
Professor La Combe: You wrote the commentary.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor La Combe: What is the paramparā from Caitanya?
Srila Prabhupāda: From Caitanya Mahāprabhu? Yes. The Six Gosvāmīs: Rūpa, Sanātana, Bhaṭṭa Raghunātha, Śrī Jīva, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa, Dāsa Raghunātha. The Six Gosvāmīs. Then from the Gosvāmīs there is Śrīnivāsācārya. Then from him, I think, this Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, and then Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. Then Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, then Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, then Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, then Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, then my Guru Mahārāja. Next, we are. I am the tenth or eleventh, eleventh from Caitanya Mahāprabhu.Conversations : 1974 Conversations : June, 1974 : Room Conversation with Professor Oliver La Combe Director of the Sorbonne University -- June 14, 1974, Paris
Srila Prabhupāda: Vedas, when Lord Buddha wanted stop animal killing, these rascals came with Vedas. "Vedas there is sacrifice, there is animal killing." So, he thought that these rascals will create botheration. By bringing Vedas, there is... He said, "I don't care for it."
veda nā māniyā bauddha haya ta nāstika
vedāśraya nāstikya-vāda bauddhake adhika
Similarly, these rascals are giving evidence of Rūpa Gosvāmī's advice, that "Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa..." But whether you have followed other things.
Guest: Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ...
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ, pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. Etān vegān yo viṣa... You are manipulated by the udara-vegam, upastha-vegam. First there is test: etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ [NoI 1]. Then for him Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. He has got three dozen sevā-dāsī, and living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. My Guru Mahārāja wanted to publish Govinda-līlāmṛta.
Srila Prabhupāda: We are translating the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and other Vedic literature. You have seen the sample, original verse, word to word meaning, then translation, then giving a purport.
Professor La Combe: You wrote the commentary.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor La Combe: What is the paramparā from Caitanya?
Srila Prabhupāda: From Caitanya Mahāprabhu? Yes. The Six Gosvāmīs: Rūpa, Sanātana, Bhaṭṭa Raghunātha, Śrī Jīva, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa, Dāsa Raghunātha. The Six Gosvāmīs. Then from the Gosvāmīs there is Śrīnivāsācārya. Then from him, I think, this Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, and then Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. Then Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, then Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, then Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, then Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, then my Guru Mahārāja. Next, we are. I am the tenth or eleventh, eleventh from Caitanya Mahāprabhu.Conversations : 1974 Conversations : June, 1974 : Room Conversation with Professor Oliver La Combe Director of the Sorbonne University -- June 14, 1974, Paris
Srila Prabhupāda: Vedas, when Lord Buddha wanted stop animal killing, these rascals came with Vedas. "Vedas there is sacrifice, there is animal killing." So, he thought that these rascals will create botheration. By bringing Vedas, there is... He said, "I don't care for it."
veda nā māniyā bauddha haya ta nāstika
vedāśraya nāstikya-vāda bauddhake adhika
Similarly, these rascals are giving evidence of Rūpa Gosvāmī's advice, that "Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa..." But whether you have followed other things.
Guest: Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ...
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ, pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. Etān vegān yo viṣa... You are manipulated by the udara-vegam, upastha-vegam. First there is test: etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ [NoI 1]. Then for him Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. He has got three dozen sevā-dāsī, and living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. My Guru Mahārāja wanted to publish Govinda-līlāmṛta.
He asked permission of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. So first of all Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, "I'll tell you some day." And when he reminded, he said, "Yes you can print one copy. If you are so much anxious to print it, print one copy. You'll read and you will see that you have printed. Not for distribution." So, we are printing all these books for understanding properly. Not that "Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Let us go." Jump over like monkey. "Here is rāsa-līlā. Immediately..."
Acyutānanda: Even in Kṛṣṇa book rāsa-līlā should not be told in public.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, why? Kṛṣṇa book must be there, in the book must be there.
Acyutānanda: But in public...
Srila Prabhupāda: But you should go gradually. You should go gradually. You first of all understand Kṛṣṇa, then kṛṣṇa-līlā. If you have not understood Kṛṣṇa, then you'll think Kṛṣṇa's rāsa-līlā is just like we mix with young women. And that becomes as polluted. Because they do not understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānām [Bg. 7.3]. Kṛṣṇa understanding so easy? If you do not understand Kṛṣṇa how can you go to the Kṛṣṇa's confidential activities?
Acyutānanda: Some of the devotees, they said that it is for liberated souls. So, they said, "Well, we are all liberated."
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Liberated for going to hell.
Devotee: In your Kṛṣṇa book, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you've given such clear explanations along with the stories of Kṛṣṇa that it's very difficult to misinterpret, because you use such clear explanation.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, you read all the books first of all. Then you'll be able to understand. Conversations: 1976 Conversations : August, 1976 : Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay
Rāmeśvara: In the Fifth Canto, you've quoted from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura that the most sacred place in the whole universe is Śrī Māyāpura-dhāma.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: In all the universe.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In each universe there is a Vṛndāvana and a Māyāpura. That means in each universe there's a planet earth like this planet?
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many planets. Each universe full of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. There are millions of universes, and in each universe, there are millions of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. (end) Conversations: 1976 Conversations: June, 1976 Morning Walk -- June 7, 1976, Los Angeles :
Ambassador: What was your connection with McGill? I heard from...
Srila Prabhupāda: (Sic:) McGill. McGill I was...
Ambassador: You preached (?) first in McGill?
Srila Prabhupāda: No, I was lecturing only.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's [break]
Srila Prabhupāda: He sent his first book...
Ambassador: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: ...in 1896. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it. And he was expecting some others that willing to take up the work. Well, somebody says that I am the same man. And I was born in 1896. So he wanted to combine the whole civilized nations under this Caitanya Mahāprabhu's cult, Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. I think I have given this hint in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya.Conversations : 1975 Conversations March, 1975: Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran
Srila Prabhupāda: He gave so much service to Kṛṣṇa. From his family maintenance... He could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So he... Markaṭa-vairāgya. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was against giving sannyāsa. He didn't like these bābājīs. They were markaṭa-vairāgya, superficially... Markaṭa-vairāgya means monkey.
Acyutānanda: Even in Kṛṣṇa book rāsa-līlā should not be told in public.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, why? Kṛṣṇa book must be there, in the book must be there.
Acyutānanda: But in public...
Srila Prabhupāda: But you should go gradually. You should go gradually. You first of all understand Kṛṣṇa, then kṛṣṇa-līlā. If you have not understood Kṛṣṇa, then you'll think Kṛṣṇa's rāsa-līlā is just like we mix with young women. And that becomes as polluted. Because they do not understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānām [Bg. 7.3]. Kṛṣṇa understanding so easy? If you do not understand Kṛṣṇa how can you go to the Kṛṣṇa's confidential activities?
Acyutānanda: Some of the devotees, they said that it is for liberated souls. So, they said, "Well, we are all liberated."
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Liberated for going to hell.
Devotee: In your Kṛṣṇa book, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you've given such clear explanations along with the stories of Kṛṣṇa that it's very difficult to misinterpret, because you use such clear explanation.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, you read all the books first of all. Then you'll be able to understand. Conversations: 1976 Conversations : August, 1976 : Room Conversation -- August 16, 1976, Bombay
Rāmeśvara: In the Fifth Canto, you've quoted from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura that the most sacred place in the whole universe is Śrī Māyāpura-dhāma.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: In all the universe.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In each universe there is a Vṛndāvana and a Māyāpura. That means in each universe there's a planet earth like this planet?
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many planets. Each universe full of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. There are millions of universes, and in each universe, there are millions of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. (end) Conversations: 1976 Conversations: June, 1976 Morning Walk -- June 7, 1976, Los Angeles :
Ambassador: What was your connection with McGill? I heard from...
Srila Prabhupāda: (Sic:) McGill. McGill I was...
Ambassador: You preached (?) first in McGill?
Srila Prabhupāda: No, I was lecturing only.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's [break]
Srila Prabhupāda: He sent his first book...
Ambassador: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: ...in 1896. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it. And he was expecting some others that willing to take up the work. Well, somebody says that I am the same man. And I was born in 1896. So he wanted to combine the whole civilized nations under this Caitanya Mahāprabhu's cult, Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. I think I have given this hint in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya.Conversations : 1975 Conversations March, 1975: Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran
Srila Prabhupāda: He gave so much service to Kṛṣṇa. From his family maintenance... He could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So he... Markaṭa-vairāgya. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was against giving sannyāsa. He didn't like these bābājīs. They were markaṭa-vairāgya, superficially... Markaṭa-vairāgya means monkey.
They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle. That is vairāgya. But three dozen wives. Markaṭa-vairāgya. Markaṭa means monkey. Superficially vairāgya, nāgā-bābā. They eat vegetables, fruits, live in the jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairāgya. But sex. We have... I have seen in Vṛndāvana. They have got a party, each monkey, women's party, and the male will come to any female, "Now ready," "Enter." You can see it. Markaṭa-vairāgya nāhi paraloka dasaya(?). So this should not be encouraged. Then gradually it will deteriorate into... April, 1977: Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette -- April 28, 1977, Bombay
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