Mathura Pati Attacks His Former Shiksha Guru 12 10 24

PADA: Good news! Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji (MPD) is finally following PADA's advice to him -- from maybe three years ago -- to stop following and promoting Saint Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa! In fact, now MPD is finally doing what PADA has done all along, challenging Bhakta dasa! 

We were all surprised when Mathura Pati announced that his new spiritual guide and boss is going to be Saint Radhanath's and Gaudiya Matha's cheer leader BHAKTA DASA (William Benedict). And MPD was very upset when we at PADA were not joining him in glorifying Saint Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa as PADA's shiksha guru authority. 

OK Bhakta Dasa has promoted the ISKCON GBC's Saint Radhanath -- and thus  Bhakti pedo pada's (Kirtanananda's) burial in samadhi program, and the Gaudiya Matha folks, who were also promoting Saint Radhanath, Gopal Krishna swami etc. Never mind Bhakta Dasa was arrested for selling DANGEROUS designer drugs, and later he was arrested for sex crimes in Puri India, which has made a lot of bad news media. Why is anyone promoting this program, at all, is what people ask PADA all the time? Saint Radhanath, fo' real?

And moreover Bhakta Dasa / Mathura Pati said we were wrong to help liberate hundreds of Krishna's kids from the GBC's mass child molesting program that was going on under their Saint Radhanath program, because we helped have hundreds of those kids pulled out from the GBC's program after 1997 -- thanks to us. And Mathura Pati joined Bhakta Dasa and said we are writing about "stinky stools" (children). Then people wonder why all these kids were abused when these guys think children are just stinky objects getting in their way? 

In other words, Mathura Pati wanted the molesting of Krishna's kids to continue, and after that, some of the victims of his program were taking their lives. Well what is the problem with a few dead kids under our jackboots, when we have to save our precious GBC's guru's money? And if we get rid of a few stinky kids to save our precious GBC's money, who cares? Wow, we had a lot of complaints about these guys after this all came out. 

Why has the Mathura Pati ilk clan wanted the GBC to have all this money, at all, when they may use Mathura Pati's precious saved GBC shekels to hire hit men to take us out, sue us to stop us from having original books -- and etc.? It is amazing that Mathura Pati types have been crying like little babies that the pedophile messiah's program has -- less money -- to assault the Prabhupada folks. We need to fund the pedophile messiah's program, for what good end? 

When Jesus (or PADA) wants to drive the shekel greedy money changers out of the temple, Mathura Pati types join the Pharisees to remove Jesus. And that is what these MPD guys like Prahlad said, oh we are going to lose -- OUR money! Of course, children victims losing their lives -- is not a problem. And that is why one ex-kuli told me these guys are like the cigarette companies, they don't really care who suffers, they only care about keeping their stolen loot. 

Anyway PADA has said all along -- Srila Prabhupada is the acharya -- and these guys promoting the Saint Radhanath / Bhakti pedo pada program have had the wrong idea, which we said the whole time. But this is a great nice development, MPD finally admits -- he has been wrong the whole time -- to promote his favorite Bhakti pedo pada's program's cheer leaders, ok like Bhakta dasa. And now he is joining with PADA to say, Srila Prabhupada is the acharya and not the pedo pada's program. Great! 

Yet people ask PADA all the time, why have the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati clan been promoting the cheer leaders of the homosexuial and pedophile messiah's program, at all? Yep, the program of worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs is wrong, and thus it looks like they are finally agreeing -- promoting the cheer leaders of that program -- is wrong! And therefore de facto, PADA is right!  

We need to read the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy?

Did I forget to mention Mathura Pati's pals have also been promoting the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri, who was writing that me and Sulochana are sahajiyas, which Sulochana says -- they are doing that to make us a target for assassination. And he was assassinated. And Mathura Pati clan is advertising the writings of the people who helped get Sulochana whacked? 

Why has the Mathura Pati program been promoting the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy -- that gets us people -- those of us who are exposing the mass child molesting process -- assassinated? And why have they been promoting Bhavananda's bucket boy AT ALL, when this program has been the main leaders of the pedophile messiah's Mayapur program that has mistreated children horribly? And gets us assassinated as a side benefit?

In any case this is good progress, Mathura Pati is starting to cite the citations we were placing in our documents way back -- in 1984. And he copying and pasting our quotes to expose his former shiksha guru Bhakta das. It looks like Mathura Pati is starting to wake up, promoting the cheer leaders of the program of worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as God's successors is NOT AUTHORIZED. PADA's idea IS the only idea that is AUTHORIZED! 

Of course I already knew that Saint Radhanath's program of worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs was bogus, when I was 10 years old. Yep Mathura Pati, PADA has been right, since being 10 years old, this whole homosexual and pedophile pooja program is -- bogus, glad you are now writing your former Saint Radhanath / Bhakti pedo pada shiksha guru boss with citations -- we always use! 

This is good news, Mathura Pati is getting closer to the PADA idea. Very good progress! We have to give credit where credit is due, and we are always glad the former promoters of the cheer leaders of the worship of deviants and pedos are coming over to join PADA in promoting Srila Prabhupada. Good job! Now we just have to get the rest of their clan to come this way! 

We still have Prahlad das crying that Saint Radhanath's cheer leader and Bhavananda's bucket boy has been insulted by PADA. Oh boo hoo, PADA is against golden samadhis for pedophiles in the dham! Boo hoo. Someone gimmee a kleenex already. Anyway ! people are waking up, and that is all that counts in the end. Good progress! 

A woman who has technically or medically died twice due to very bad health issues has told PADA, she is VERY glad some of us are promoting Srila Prabhupada. She took that advice and now feels VERY SECURE in her spiritual position because she has ACCEPTED SRILA PRABHUPADA as her guru. All of us should be helping others take shelter of the pure devotee, it is going to benefit them -- and us! Jayate! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

A DEVOTEE SENT ME THIS AND SAID THE AUTHOR IS MATHURA PATI 

Mathura Pati dasa: Dear Bhakta das

I can't understand at all what you are talking about dear Bhakta that!!! The same thing has been coming from all Fiskcon devotees for decades and it really makes no sense! There are diksa and siksa gurus and also vartma-pradarsaka gurus.

Only a brahmana can never be a guru but any Vaisnava or anyone who is conversant with the science of Krsna is automatically a guru. The question is what kind of guru.

Any kanistha adikari bhakta novice in the temple who goes out to distribute books for the first time is at least a vartma-pradarsaka guru. Every TP is at least a non-exempt siksa guru and vartma-pradarsaka guru

"There are two kinds of instructing spiritual masters. One is the liberated person fully absorbed in meditation in devotional service, and the other is he who invokes the disciple's spiritual consciousness by means of relevant instructions."

(CC Adi, 1.47 )

TAMALA KRISHNA:

Can a Christian in this age, without a Spiritual Master, but by reading the Bible, and following Jesus's words, reach the ...

SRILA PRABHUPADA:

When you read the Bible, you follow the Spiritual Master. How can you say without. As soon as you read the Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ. That means that you are following the Spiritual Master. So where is the opportunity of being without Spiritual Master.

MADHUDVISA:

I was referring to a living Spiritual Master.

SRILA PRABHUPADA:

Spiritual Master is not question of ... Spiritual Master is eternal...so your question is 'without Spiritual Master'. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual master or that Spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible", when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.

(Morning Walk, Seattle, 2/10/68)

"Only Lord Caitanya can take my place. He will take care of the Movement."

(Srila Prabhupada Room conversation - translated from Hindi, 2/11/77)

Note:

So we have clear, direct, irrefutable evidence from Srila Prabhupada's books and signed directives, proving that the system which was set up by Srila Prabhupada for initiation in his presence was the system set up for ISKCON's lifetime even after his physical disappearance!!

1. "In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life: illicit sex, meat eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master==OR==! his representative ( my note :RITVIK or Temple president) for at least six months to a year. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana."

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 24:330, purport, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

2. "Due to the necessity of these activities, we do not immediately initiate disciples in the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. For six months, a candidate for initiation must first attend arati and classes in the sastras, practice the regulative principles and associate with other devotees. When one is actually advanced in the purascarya-vidhi, he is recommended by the local temple president for initiation. It is not that anyone can be suddenly initiated without meeting the requirements. When one is further advanced by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra sixteen rounds daily, following the regulative principles and attending classes, he receives the sacred thread (brahminical recognition) after the second six months."

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 15:108, purport, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

3. "Thus in the beginning the students of our Krsna consciousness movement agree to live with devotees, and gradually, having given up four prohibited activities illicit sex, gambling, meat-eating and intoxication they become advanced in the activities of spiritual life. When one is found to be regularly following these principles, he is given the first initiation (hari-nama), and he regularly chants at least sixteen rounds a day. Then, after six months or a year, he is initiated for the second time and given the sacred thread with the regular sacrifice and ritual."

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 17:265, purport, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada).

"I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually" –

(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)

And if there is actually association of spiritually self-realized person, then he will give you some process of spiritual activities. That is called bhajana-kriya. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sangah atha bhajana-kriya tato anartha-nivrttih syat. And as you are more and more engaged in spiritual activities, so, proportionately, your material activities and affection for material activities will diminish. Counteraction. When you engage in the spiritual activities, your material activities diminishes.

(B.G. Lecture, 2.58-59, New York, 7th April, 1966)

Note: How Srila Prabhupada's association can be had is described as follows:

So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Sabdad anavrtti. By sound. Just like we are touching Krsna immediately by sound. Sound vibration. So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krsna or of the spiritual master. Then we'll feel happy and no separation.

(S.P. Lecture, 18/8/68,Montreal.)

Note: So we should associate with Srila Prabhupada's by his vibration that is real association. His books are also his vibration, this is confirmed as follows:

Regarding Sankirtana and book distribution, book distribution is also chanting. Anyone who reads the books that is also chanting and hearing. Why distinguish between chanting and book distribution? These books I have recorded and chanted, and they are transcribed. It is spoken kirtanas. So book distribution is also chanting. These are not ordinary books. It is recorded chanting. Anyone who reads, he is hearing. Book distribution must not be neglected.

(S.P.L. to Rupanuga dasa, 19th October, 1974)

Note: Anyone who reads Srila Prabhupada's books is associating with Srila Prabhupada, this fact is accepted by everyone. So Srila Prabhupada says "And if there is actually association of spiritually self-realized person, then he will give you some process of spiritual activities. That is called bhajana-kriya."

This is confirmed again by the following quote:

And if you associate with sadhu, then bhajana-kriya. If we... Just like so many thousands of Europeans, Americans, they have joined us on account of sadhu-sanga. First of all they come in the temple and hear for some days. Then all of a sudden he becomes shaven-headed. We haven't to request. He takes a bead and bead bag, although he's not initiated. 

Then, after some days, he approaches, "Please get me initiated." The bhajana-kriya. This is called bhajana-kriya. So we initiate. "Yes, now you are interested, we initiate." We give him hari-nama: "Chant Hare Krsna mantra." This is the first initiation. "And chant sixteen rounds and observe these rules and regulations." Then, when I see, six months or one year, he's doing very nicely, then we accept him as my disciple, the second initiation. So this is bhajana-kriya. Then he's admitted to worship the Deity or cook for the Deity, so many things. Bhajana-kriya.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture 1.2.18 Calcutta, September 26, 1974)

Note: So Srila Prabhupada is giving the process of spiritual activities (Bhajana-Kriya, Initation) in his original books, WHO CAN REFUTE THIS FACT ???

* Therefore Srila Prabhupada is the Initating Spiritual Master (Diksa Guru) for everyone in ISKCON.

Srila Prabhupada lives forever from his original books, we only need to preserve and utilise them. We can utilise them by reading and living them and also by distributing them to everyone on the planet so they can do the same.

Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!
Devotee’s: Jaya! Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.

(S.P.interview, Berkley, 1975)

"My rules and regulations"

Please make sure that these new devotees (as well as the old ones) follow all of my rules and regulations strictly. They must chant 16 rounds, rise early, attend class, etc. Without these things, there is no spiritual life at all.

(S.P. Letter to: Bhrsakapi Bombay 16 January, 1975)

Note: So when a devotee takes formal initiation he makes a vow to follow the 4 regulations and chant 16 rounds a day. These are Srila Prabhupada's rules and regulations, therefore anyone who vows to follow them is actually accepting Srila Prabhupada as initiating spiritual master (diksa guru).

THIS IS CLEAR, WHO CAN REFUTE IT ???

Srila Prabhupada:

Who is my disciple? First of all let him follow strictly the disciplined rules.

Disciple: As long as they are following, then he is...

Srila Prabhupada: Then he is all right.

(Srila Prabhupada Morning walk, 13/6/76, Detroit)

"...unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. Disciple means one who follows the discipline."

(Srila Prabhupada Morning walk, 8/3/76, Mayapur)

"If one does not observe the discipline, then he is not disciple." (Srila Prabhupada S.B. Lecture, 21/1/74)

So we can see how it works and in our so called ritvik temple we follow this instructions of Srila Prabhupada and it is working very nicely. We have some Prabhupada senior disciple as our siksa gurus and Prabhupada is our only diksa guru and main siksa guru.

It is working perfectly!

Haribol ys Mpd

Sorry dear Nityananda Prabhu it was my last mail on this topic !!