PADA: Thanks JD. Yeah we do have to ask why -- people like Kailasa chandra are always saying that Keith Ham is a liar, and then Kailasa keeps citing the Berkeley followers of Keith ham every day, day in and out, for the rest of his life -- since 1986. They are liars, they are molester messiahs, and that is why they and their fan club are my shiksha gurus and principle authorities.
The Berkeley law enforcement told me that Keith Ham's Berkeley followers were acting as "spotters" to keep tabs on my location, so when their goons came from West Virginia to get me, they knew right where I was [a block from the temple]. Thanks Kailasa's spotters! Wow, Kailasa thinks the "spotters" trying to organize Vaishnava assassinations are his divine authority. Told ya!
And sure enough -- Kailasa's "Berkeley devotee" goondas then came to chase me [but law enforcement had put undercover cops on my tail -- and they came to my rescue]. So Kailasa is self evidently working with this Berkeley molester messiah's mob, and their spotters. Why? So he can get us taken out, all to save his pedo pooja pals. And yeah, Kailasa cites them as his authority against me and Sulochana all the time and he still does.
And he has clearly been encouraging and cheer leading them. And according to law enforcement -- the Kailasa / Berkeley / Bhakti pedo team wanted to terminate Sulochana and then have me terminated. Then after Kailasa works hard with them to try to get me and Sulochana whacked, Kailasa complains that I am a bogus person for telling people to worship a pure devotee and not another conditioned soul Keith Ham sandwich?
Yes JD, it does show the shameless and remorseless nature of these people. "Narcissistic psychopaths" is how one victim describes them, agreed. They are only upset that they got caught -- and we exposed them -- with all their vicious propaganda promoting Bhakti pedo pada -- and then Berkeley law enforcement saved me from their process. In sum, they are angry we survived their attempt to take us out. And yeah, you got it, they are worse than shameless, they are actually incensed that we survived their attempts to have us whacked.
Sulochana's mom is correct, they made her son a target by giving him a bad name, and after they got rid of her son, they went on disparaging him to demonize him further, to justify their taking him out. And thus they are actually gloating about their odious handiwork. Yep, psychopaths indeed.
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PADA: Well this is yet another example of a senior devotee getting no health care benefits help when he is near the end, while the jet set swamis have unlimited health care expense accounts. Told ya! ys pd
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BHAKTI VIKAS SWAMI WRITES WRONGS
I HAD FIVE POSTS BY SRILA PRABHUPADA THAT BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI POSTED AND I SHARED THEM TO MY PAGE. BVKS REMOVED THEM OR BLOCKED THEM SO YOU WOULD NOT SEE THAT WHAT HE PUTS ON FACEBOOK IS NOT WHAT HE PREACHES…DOWN BELOW ON MY PAGE YOU’LL SEE A BLACK LOCK NEXT TO AN EMPTY POST, BUT MY RESPONSE IS STILL THERE BELOW THE EMPTY POST. THERE ARE FIVE BLACK LOCKS DOWN THERE. BELOW IS WHAT HE PREACHES.
The following quotes are from a talk dated 23/9/22, posted on social media by Mayesvara Dasa ("MD"), which he states "was requested by Bhakti Vikasa Swami". The purpose of the talk was to attack our position which GBC voted-in guru HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami ("BVKS") calls "rtvikism". Thus, two days later, BVKS further endorsed this talk:
"it's rtvikism, but that's imagination and speculation, as Mayesvara Prabhu, if anyone had any doubts, he cleared them."
(BVKS Lecture, 25/9/22)
However, this BVKS sponsored talk simply attacks Srila Prabhupada as follows:
1) Srila Prabhupada is like a paralysed patient with a neurological disorder:
"Prabhupada has what is referred to in the medical industry as ‘locked in syndrome' [...] It's a medical condition that's so severe that the person is in a body, they have no way to communicate [...] they're basically paralyzed"
2) Falsely claims that rtvik means Srila Prabhupada is "just a picture on the wall":
"Spiritual master's the coach. And the rtviks are saying, ‘Well, we have a wonderful coach, he listens and we, he listens and he doesn't tell us anything. He never talks back. He's just a picture on the wall.'"
3) Stating that Srila Prabhupada is "obviously right" is "twisted" and believed by "crazies":
"they [IRM] think [...] all three, the guru, the sastra, and the sadhu are always in line and therefore one does not need to independently verify Srila Prabhupada's statements [...] saying that Prabhupada's obviously right because the sadhus and the scriptures agree with it, is such a twisted inverted statement that I can't believe people follow that kind of stuff. But then again, remember Prabhupada said, "no crazies and no lazies"."
4) Srila Prabhupada is compared to a crazy cult leader from whom we must be protected:
"the rtviks say [...] Oh, we follow that, because anything Prabhupada says has to be agreed upon what's inside scriptures and what other sadhus say. [...] So they got it backwards. The whole purpose of this guru-sastra-sadhu system is to protect us from, you know, a leader, and this is actually where the New Age movement, and for those of you who may be familiar and who know who David Koresh was."
5) Just following Srila Prabhupada is like following the US President, who can "say all sorts of things":
"the rtviks say [...] Oh, we follow that, because anything Prabhupada says has to be agreed upon what's inside scriptures and what other sadhus say. [...] But that's like saying, you know, whatever the President says, we follow that, and everybody agrees to that, but it's not, it doesn't, the President can say all sorts of things"
So above we have listed 1) to 5) the attacks that were made on Srila Prabhupada. That the crass attack 1) should come from a BVKS organised talk should not be surprising because he himself made a similar attack on Srila Prabhupada, by comparing him to a skeleton from a horror movie (please see "Attacking Srila Prabhupada's Transcendence", BTP 71).
The attacks 1) and 2) were made to argue that we cannot accept Srila Prabhupada as our guru and coach since he is someone who cannot "communicate" with the disciple and thus we need a "living" physically present GBC guru. However, these attacks are self-defeating, since both BVKS and MD are in exactly the same position as the "rtviks", as BVKS and MD also accept Srila Prabhupada as their "coach" today.
Thus, they themselves are the proof that one can accept Srila Prabhupada as one's spiritual master "coach" to guide one, and that his physical absence is not relevant. Otherwise, they would also be incorrectly situated and would need to renounce Srila Prabhupada as their spiritual master "coach" for a "living" (physically present) one.
Attacks 3-5 are all based on claiming that if we only rely on what Srila Prabhupada states without also getting verification from sadhu and sastra, then we are somehow violating "guru, sadhu and sastra". But Srila Prabhupada himself states that anything the bona fide spiritual master teaches will automatically already be in line with sadhu and sastra:
"And guru is bona fide spiritual master who follows sadhu and sastra."
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 17/3/71)
Hence, one does not need to "verify" the bona fide spiritual master's words with sadhu and sastra, since by definition, according to the quote above, they are already verified. Rather, such verification is only needed in order to determine whether or not a person claiming to be the guru is actually the bona fide spiritual master:
"spiritual master is to be tested whether he is holy man, and whether there is corroboration in the statement of the scripture. Sadhu sastra guru vakya tinete koriya aikya. [...] The scripture should be consulted, and we should have to see whether it is corroborated. So we should not accept any man as spiritual master or holy man if he does not corroborate with the statement of the scripture. He's at once rejected."
(Srila Prabhupada, Room Conversation, 11/5/69)
But since Srila Prabhupada is a bona fide spiritual master who has already been accepted, there is no question of "testing" him using "guru, sadhu and sastra" to see if he should be accepted or rejected. Nor is he like the US President who may "say anything", nor do we need "guru, sadhu and sastra" to "protect" us from him just in case he could be a crazy cult leader.
If MD and BVKS are still not sure that Srila Prabhupada is a bona fide spiritual master that they should accept, then they have no business even being his disciples.
IRM Back To Prabhupada
M Dasi: Same thing over here. Anyone who "speaks up" is a fringe beer drinker. Who knew! Better yet ... guru aparad! Offender!
ReplyDeleteMob enforcers ... like this Kailasa person ... keep us trouble makers under control. We got them here too. It is all about control. And they are not happy when someone is challenging their divine "authority." Like us fringe upstarts. Upsets the status quo.
Amazing !!! they will complain ... you and Sulochana are drinking beer, when their "gurus" have been drinking from men's and boy's genitals. These people are really sick dudes ... face it.
We learned from school about demons who live on drinking men's juices in ancient mythology classes. Silly me! Thought that idea was pretty lame ... and crazy. A pipedream and myth. Not any more!
They are trying to take your life ... after they sucked the life out of so many children. Is this Kailasa person even a married man with a wife and children? Doubt it seriously. He seems to fit right in with the misogynists and misfits who run ISKCON. They are never going to like us ... because we have figured out their REAL game.
These people used to frighten me ... a lot. Still do, but not as much. We learn from ancient mythology that the angels can cast down these demons ... on the strength of God's shelter. A warning to stay alert to our surroundings. We learn too ... there are the same type child attack demons ... even when Krishna is here.
Nothing new under the material sky or sun. Just glad I am on the right side of history. Actually ... feel bad for those who are not ... since the Vedas say ... the person who gives suffering to others ... is really giving suffering to one self ... they will reap what they have sown.
Already happening. !!! Most of them look like old, worn out, wasted, burnt out, half dead zombies these days. There is karma aplenty for supporting the wrong side. My conclusion? Better to be a beer drinking regular karmi ... than being involved with their dark art society ... that worships men who drink men's juices.
I would almost say ... they are disgusting creatures from the lower realms. But that is far too weak ... not proper justice to how bad they really are. I don't think anyone could print what I would really like to say about them.