Flat Earth Update / ISKCON Parent's Responsibility 01 04 24

MY MESSAGE TO MATHURA PATI AND ALL THE OTHER FLAT EARTH SPECULATORS

The scriptures say that anyone who considers the spiritual master to be an ordinary man has a hellish mentality. (Prabhupada From SSR 4)

No learned man should be willing to hear a person who does not represent the original acarya. (Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.1)

Mayesvara dasa does not represent Srila Prabhupada. He is an offender who actually thinks Prabhupada is a mundane man ignorant of Vedic cosmology! So why are all these fools hearing from him like a bunch of prostitutes? Where is their connection to the Supersoul telling them to at least avoid this blasphemer?

If someone blasphemes a Vaisnava, one should stop him with arguments and higher reason. If one is not expert enough to do this he should give up his life on the spot, and if he cannot do this, he must go away. (C.C. Adi 7.50) 

Mukunda das

PADA: OK well some of the Prabhupadanugas EU folks at one time said I was doing a bad job by opposing Mukunda UK. He has been promoting the Hitler-anugas program and we are not buying it. And even Prahlad das was gloating that Mukunda gets a lots of hits on his site -- with all sorts of stuff along the lines of -- Zionist bankers, Q-anon, lost continent of Mu, Egyptian Gods, subterranean demons, hollow earth, illuminati, nano robots being injected into people, Alex Jones, ok some of the same type stuff Bhakti Tirtha swami, Harikesh and Suhotra would venture into from time to time. 

Well it looks like the flat earth society was a step too far for Mukunda! Now Mukunda is claiming his former Prabhupadanuga EU associates are following the Judaic ancient flat earth maps. OK, so he is blasting them as followers of Judaism instead of making friendly counter action. So this is a problem with these guys, they don't want to make a friendly interaction, it is boots in face all the time.   

OK my first question to the flat earth folks has always been, why were ancient mariners having to make a new set of maps when they went under the equator, because the constellations seen under the earth's equator are not the same as those seen in the northern hemisphere areas? Yep, sound of crickets, no good answer. 

A flat earth would have the same constellations overhead everywhere. Mukunda does make a few good points, quoting Srila Prabhupada here and there, but he always seems to make a blizzard of personal insulting manure to whatever it is he wants to say, which nullifies his point. Mayesvara? Yeah, he has always giving me grief on any issue, guru tattva, cosmic tattva, or anything else. But yeah, many devotees are often sucked into conspiracy theories that do not add up well, and it makes devotees as a class look a little foolish. ys pd

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C Dasi: I just need to understand something...Why soo many third and fourth generation "kulis" (specially young girs) are initiating from Indradyumna?

I am an OG from the 80's, Bhagavan was the guru for Spain, after he left Jagadish started to re initiate the "abandoned" devotees, after some years he also left [and took a female disciple and her child away, making the husband panic]. When are we going to learn?

I am 49 years old, still didn't get initiated and I made sure that my 27 year old daughter knows about our guru history in ISKCON. I have nothing personal against him, I was in New Mayapur Gurukul in France for some time and I always saw he was very loving to the kulis even then.

But am sorry to say, its a question of common sense, I find this my responsibility to inform my daughter before she chooses to take initiation from a guru that continuously defends and protects abusers and does nothing to stop it from happening.

And if someone asks me how do I know that, my answer is that I have no reason to not believe the brave kulis that personnaly have said that they informed him of what was going on several times!! (Those letters have been published).

I know some parents are delighted to see that their daughters or sons choose the "spiritual path" inside ISKCON but sometimes it's just because they see their children sort of happy because it gives them a feeling of belonging to a team. Specialy in India many are under social pressure. Keep your japa always in your hand although you are chatting with a friend, put tilak, etc. 

All based on the superficial. Thankfully that's not me anymore, I don't feel that pressure, I chose to be authentic and honest in my spiritual process. Taking initiation from these gurus could cause a lot of pain and distrust in the future.

I personaly think that getting initiation from this Swami is like a fashion for the young girls in ISKCON right now, he is the cool one around.

That's definitely not a good reason to get initiated!

SRD: Sentimentality?

S Dasi: It’s sickening what’s happening in Vrindavan, the following of indrayumna swami and Govinda’s are 90% women. It has become a cult. They rarely come to the KB temple and have their evening programs at their house. Govinda swami is twerking with these young ladies, continuing his love affair with Rati Manjari. IDS is taking these young ladies on trips, paying for their tickets. It’s super freaky and have no idea how anyone in their right mind consider them sanyasis. 

C Dasi: Yes!! I personally saw that in Vrindavan in my last visit to India last year.

I spend there a month and a half and never saw any of them two at the KB temple, not a single day. 

PD: Unfortunately, in the 1980s many young folks took initiation from people like Kirtanananda, Jayatirtha, Radhanath etc. -- because their parents advised their children to do that. One ex-child here just realized their parents ordered that child to take initiation from Satsvarupa, who makes hellish art -- and who was the biggest defender of Kirtanananda -- and that ex-child is now having a mental melt down for being cheated so badly, by the child's own parents. 

So then, after they burnt out the West, the gurus just shifted gears and moved operations from the West to former soviet states, and / or Poland, Ukraine, Russia and so forth, because no one there knew about their history here. And then many young people got sucked into their operations there, but I don't think either these young people or their parents have any clue what has been going down in the ISKCON society here or even in Mayapur. 

I just had an hour long conference called with some folks from Eastern Europe, and they were gasping in shock as I started to rattle off the history over here and at Mayapur. So the leaders exploit ignorance, and innocence, which they have done all along, but fortunately -- even more of those folks are starting to wake up gradually. But yeah, many ISKCON elders are not informing the youth as an overall suppression of truths, but keep in mind almost zero percent of these parents called the law enforcement when they found out their own kids were victims. There is a sort of code of silence in child mistreatment cults, and many people are involved and self-evidently, have been. ys pd

C Dasi: Right that's very true but he also has a massive "fan girls and boys club of disciples" in Australia, India and USA where the parents know about our guru history.

PD: Yep, one ex-victim told me even his own parents never spoke up because -- they feared "being shunned" from the society. In other words, being part of the official society, no matter how corrupt it is, has been more important -- than their own children. And that is typical of child mistreatment cults, many elders are complicit. Now the Jeffrey Epstein logs are coming out -- and it is a similar thing, many hundreds or even thousands of people knew, but they kept silent to keep their place in the corrupt society. And this is all a test from Krishna, many people also went to the Kaurava side, knowing it is corrupt, because they had a big social and economic regime and the complicit could benefit. ISKCON devotees failed, and failed to protect the society's children, not only leaders but many rank and file. ys pd

NN: Bryan tibbits ... or tit-bits ... don't know how else they call the well known paedophile. We have in the files on quite a lot of them with evidence and facts, but because there is no religious police ... through the rotten judicial system of Kali yuga they manage to escape by bribes, contacts of officials and so on ... even by "silencing" the victims in the way of Al Kapone..!!!

Cannot imagine myself to have close association with pedos ... but in the Court of Law ...as a judge .. during when the obnoxious criminals trialed as convicts ..is ok..!!!

AD: Yes, you've made some great points. Parents tolerate as 1. they have cognitive dissonance themselves due to involvement with Iskcon, 2. they are happy to see their kids somehow engaged in Krishna consciousness and 3. many of them are starving for some kind of parental affection which they misguidingly feel will be fulfilled by Swami attention.

It all works on the surface until it comes crashing down when the actual facts become clear. Sad.

C Dasi: totally agree!