KAILASA UPDATE
Oh oh, now Kailasa is citing Janmasthami / John Sinkowski / who was another New Vrndavana hit man in Berkeley looking for me and Sulochana, and he is another person Kailasa is quoting? Why does Kailasa always quote the people who want to terminate Vaishnavas?
Wow, Kailasa finds people who terminate Vaishnavas, and he makes them his authority. Including, he supports the people who terminated his own guru -- because -- as soon as we said that Srila Prabhupada is complaining of being given toxic materials in his food by Judas, then Kailasa began to cite Judas that Puranjan is a liar, fool, scum bag, so Kailasa could defend the Judas and Pharisees clique who got rid of our Jesus. Kailasa is one of those Pharisees, so no wonder he is against exposing his mentor Judas. Of course Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad also said we are bogus liars so they could defend the Pharisees and Judas sabha.
Yep as soon as we said that Srila Prabhupada is complaining of being given toxic materials in his food by Judas, then Kailasa began to cite Judas that Puranjan is a liar, fool, scum bag, so Kailasa could defend the Judas and Pharisees clique who got rid of our Jesus. Kailasa is one of those Pharisees, so no wonder he is against exposing his mentor Judas.
Janmasthami was a big New Vrndavana enforcer thug, and he never got over the fact that we had to expose the mass child abuse, Prabhupada's "faithful 1977 servants" clique -- that was adding toxic materials to his food -- and so many other criminal things -- the regime Janmastami was a big defender of.
In any case, some people think we are nuts, and some people believe us, but overall I'd say more folks believe us than not. But the truth is not dependent on numbers in any case, we said that there was mass child abuse, a complaint of toxins, and so on, and -- we are correct no matter how many folks agree or disagree. ys pd
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-- As of November 21, 2022, Anirdesya Vapu was suspended from sannyasa within ISKCON "pending the completion of an investigation by the Committee." What were the results of that investigation?
**** PD: You mean to say -- by 2022 -- they still did not know what the problem is? This begs the question "who is investigating the investigation"? Yeah Prahladananda met me in Berkeley -- and as soon as I said a few words -- he totally blew his stack and started yelling and shouting all over the temple -- "I won't ever, ever, ever, ever talk to this man [me] ever again"!
So that is the way they commonly "investigate." They shout down those with important information that would help the investigation, block us from the PAMHO e-mail network etc. If they don't want to hear information about what is being investigated, then no wonder it takes them decades to start "a pending investigation."
OK they are slow walking everything all the time -- by the looks of it, as the victim's count just continues to pile up. And simultaneous -- more and more "dissenters" are being banned, removed, exiled, sued -- and worse. They kicked out a devotee who complained a woman child abuser was being given a hero's welcome to the temple. Then they tell us, we are investigating the issue. And Russia is "investigating" why so many dissenters end up falling out of windows. OK it is glossy window dressing and not a factual, meaningful or sincere effort to clean things up. ys pd
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BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI (“BVKS”) ON FEBRUARY 9th, 2009 TITLED “A REPLY TO RITVIKISM”.
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BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI (“BVKS”) ON FEBRUARY 9th, 2009 TITLED “A REPLY TO RITVIKISM”.
HE'S THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL THE DEMIGODS, HE’S AS GOOD AS KRISHNA
BVKS: “Through the parampara. I’ll take you to my guru and then he takes you to his guru and like this the mercy comes down, and we bring people in and offer them up. […] And the guru is the sum and substance of all the demigods and actually the guru is…the Vaisnava guru is even MORE important than the demigods in as much as they both accept worship. […] And I'm saying that and I AM a Vaisnava guru. […] So, the acarya that Krishna is speaking about when he's instructing Uddhava, that “the acarya is as good as Me”, and is not to be disrespected in any way, that is the forest risi guru. And of course this applies to all those, ALL Vaisnava gurus.”
BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI makes it clear that he considers himself the next guru in the parampara after Srila Prabhupada, who should be worshipped and treated just like every other acarya - Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhana Sarasvati Maharaja etc. And consequently he has attained the position of being more powerful than the sum total OF THE DEMIGODS, to be treated as being as GOOD AS KRISHNA. However, this declaration of his NEWLY ACQUIRED divinity is rendered contradictory by the boasts he made just BEFORE he was allowed to join the GBC’s guru club:
BVKS: “Monitor guru" seems to be the most suitable position for me — an older student guiding a younger one, who may well surpass the monitor as he grows older but will always remain faithful and respectful to him; the teacher of both is the same. ‘Nikunja-yuno’ etc. in relation to me? Not even a joke; it’s ridiculous. Do I have to pretend to have attained manjari-hood? What are those initiated by our Godbrothers supposed to think when they sing ‘nikunja-yuno and ‘romanca kalpa’, etc. when the guru can’t even get up for mangala-arati? These matters need careful looking into.”
(BVKS, Vedic Village Review, Issue 14, September, 1990)
BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI ridiculed the idea of himself becoming a GBC diksa guru. Instead he states that he is at best only a “monitor guru”, who is simply an elder student guiding a younger one, with both of them having the same teacher, and the younger student may well surpass the monitor guru with time. Rather the idea of being a guru like all the other GBC Diksa gurus, whose disciples sing “Nikunja-yuno and romanca kalpa” to them every morning at Mangal Arati, was not “even a joke”, but “ridiculous”.
Yet this is exactly the “RIDICULOUS” position BVKS is now AGREEING WITH, fully supporting the disciples singing these prayers to him and the other ISKCON GBC gurus every morning during Mangal Arati, as they claim to be NOT “MONITOR GURUS” but SUCCESSOR DIKSA GURUS to Srila Prabhupada in the parampara.
So, the only “matter” that needs “careful looking into” is why, by his own estimation, BVKS is such a CONTRADICTORY HYPOCRITICAL RIDICULOUS joke!
The audacity and impudence of Bhakti Vikasa Swami and the other VOTED-IN GURUS to even think of placing themselves in the PARAMPARA next to Srila Prabhupada is amazing to me. When they DISOBEYED Srila Prabhupada’s FINAL ORDER THEY DISCONNECTED THEMSELVES FROM HIM. The only thing they are connected to NOW, is HELL. Along with their disciples, unless they come to their senses BEFORE THEY DIE. JG
The audacity and impudence of Bhakti Vikasa Swami and the other VOTED-IN GURUS to even think of placing themselves in the PARAMPARA next to Srila Prabhupada is amazing to me. When they DISOBEYED Srila Prabhupada’s FINAL ORDER THEY DISCONNECTED THEMSELVES FROM HIM. The only thing they are connected to NOW, is HELL. Along with their disciples, unless they come to their senses BEFORE THEY DIE. JG
BVKS: “If I'm properly representing Srila Prabhupada and the parampara and the people properly want to follow me then they will get the result of going to Krishna. […] And that is my duty as a guru. I have the, is it audacity, or I have the faith in Prabhupada that if I take the position of a guru in his service and if I simply try to deliver what he has delivered, then by his mercy everyone will achieve the highest perfection of life.”
But BVKS was NEVER ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada to take the service of being his SUCCESSOR DIKSA GURU - hence how can it be in THE SERVICE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA?! Indeed until 1990, BVKS himself did not think he had received any such order since we just quoted him thinking that AT BEST he could ONLY BE A “MONITOR” guru. One cannot just take up any position one feels like and call it “service”! Hence HE IS NOT delivering what Srila Prabhupada delivered, since Srila Prabhupada NEVER DELIVERED BVKS as his successor diksa guru! Thus, by his own words, anyone who follows BVKS will NOT ATTAIN “the highest perfection of life”.
BVKS: [...] So you may think, well, what is my qualification to accept the honour and affection that you are offering to me [...] So what's my qualification to be here in this beautiful temple surrounded by so many happy devotees, and why should I accept their glorification? […] Well, that is MY QUALIFICATION, that if I can glorify Prabhupada then THAT’S THE QUALIFICATION...actually, the er...I’M NOT QUALIFIED, intrinsically, but qualified because I CAN POINT, "Here is Prabhupada, and FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS, and ask you to have faith in what SP has given." [...] I'm just saying distribute books, distribute Prabhupada's books, do that, […] so it’s very easy for me to be a guru. Chant Hare Krsna, follow the principles, read Prabhupada’s books, distribute the books…that’s it. That’s all I have to do."
(BVKS VP lecture, Tirupati, January 5th 2008)
In connection with his current claims of divinity as a full-fledged successor parampara diksa guru, BVKS claims that his qualification for being worshipped as the “sum total of the demigods, GOOD AS KRISHNA”, is exactly THE SAME as that possessed by any NEOPHYTE BHAKTA who has just joined the temple - being able to CHANT HARE KRISHNA, DISTRIBUTE Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS and to tell others TO DO THE SAME! And yet Hypocritically BVKS ALSO EXPECTS such a neophyte Bhakta to WORSHIP HIM for the VERY REASON that both of them are doing exactly THE SAME ACTIVITIES!
“I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT!”
BVKS: “So the main point is that the ritvik-vadis deny that that mercy can still flow…they say, well, you have to directly connect with Prabhupada. So yeah…it's just like I'm a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. I'm also a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati, I'm also a disciple of Gaurakishore das Babaji. Because when you become initiated you become a disciple of all the gurus. But we have our specific connection also.” […] No guru is going to say that ‘I am the way, the truth and the light and no one comes to God but through me’, to quote Jesus Christ.”
Since BVKS is claiming that one has to accept Srila Prabhupada’s mercy VIA him (and his GBC guru pals), it is actually HE WHO IS DENYING that the mercy can flow directly from Srila Prabhupada. And hence effectively BVKS IS SAYING that one can only reach Krishna by going through him (or his guru pals). Because if one could make a direct connection to Srila Prabhupada, and take the mercy DIRECTLY FROM HIM, as it should be, just as BVKS IS CLAIMING he can, there would be no need for either BVKS or his 250 guru hoaxer pals to be accepted as substitute parampara diksa guru successor REPLACEMENTS for Srila Prabhupada.
So BVKS has cut that DIRECT MERCY OFF from Srila Prabhupada forever, claiming that only he and a few thousand others were lucky enough to be able to have a direct and specific connection to Srila Prabhupada. The rest of us have “missed the boat”, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT? And instead must accept BVKS and his many dozens of GBC guru pals to get any mercy!
There is no need for substitutes, or replacements, Srila prabhupada is here FOR EVERYONE in his Vani. JG
BVKS: “But the mercy that the gurus in ISKCON today offer is that, ‘Yes, we will train you, we'll teach you according to what Srila Prabhupada said and take you to Prabhupada, and he will deliver you.’ And how will Prabhupada deliver you? He will take you to his guru, like that.”
But ISKCON gurus are not giving this mercy because they are NOT teaching what Srila Prabhupada said, starting with their false claims that Srila Prabhupada ordered them to replace him as the current link for the parampara.
[PD: Tamal admits in Topanga in December 1980, the idea that gurus have been appointed in ISKCON is “a myth.” Hansadutta dasa and others have confirmed this, there was never any order from Srila Prabhupada for ISKCON’s leaders to become gurus. So, the ISKCON gurus keep saying they are strictly following the order of Srila Prabhupada, and the order is to be an ISKCON guru, except, there is no order for such NEOPHYTES to become gurus? Rather the order is, DO NOT IMITATE the post of guru (which oddly BVKS quotes below);
BVKS: Moreover in January of 1977 Srila Prabhupada was saying ISKCON needs to SUSPEND SANNYASA because his followers are not even fit for the renounced order, so — why would he appoint the very same exact “UNFIT” people as gurus a few months later (in May of 1977)?
And as we show in this rebuttal, BVKS does NOT EVEN ATTEMPT to offer any evidence that Srila Prabhupada authorized him to become his parampara Diksa guru successor.
[PD: Also in the same 1977 conversation BVKS says that when these GBC and ISKCON leaders DEVIATE, they will have to be REPLACED. How can people who deviate and need to be replaced be — gurus? This is another major problem with BVKS, he thinks that the “successors to Krishna” aka ACHARYAS are (or they become) FOOLS WHO DEVIATE. And then the BVKS program has devised all kinds of concocted tools to “fix and repair” their FOOLS POSING AS MESSIAHS. For example, the BVKS program says their gurus need to be — Reformed, Censured, Admonished, Rectified, Removed and Replaced (and so on) — by the overseers of the acharyas, namely BVKS and his moderating council, … the same “GBC” council of which BVKS is a contributor and backer?
How can a council of DEFECTIVE people dictate to, and in sum “FIX and REPAIR” the acharya?
And since it is Krishna who dictates to the acharyas, how can BVKS claim to have REPLACED KRISHNA— and BVKS is now taking over the post of DICTATING TO THE ACHARYAS? When someone says he has OVERTAKEN Krishna’s position, is that not the seed element of how we all fell into the material world in the first place? So BVKS in effect says, “I am a very humble man, therefore I have taken over the POST OF GOD ALMIGHTY, and I have kicked Him down the street and I am now doing His job, because God is quite a LOUSY MANAGER of His acharyas, so I had to take over His job.” Is this HUMILITY, or is this EGO ON STEROIDS, or is this just plain CRIMINAL MADNESS?
[PD: Yet BVKS is always criticizing the other GBC gurus for not FOLLOWING STRICTLY? So, if the other gurus are not following strictly, how are they still gurus? This is called HYPOCRICY, which is why Jesus says “Oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers.”]
PD: This means BVKS has a mundane idea of the acharyas. He thinks the SUCCESSORS TO KRISHNA are under the control of committee of defective people, whom he always has to admonish himself. And it is the “votes” of these faulty and defective NEOPHYTES which creates new acharyas by a Vatican type vote system. And in sum the acharyas are under the control of the dictates of people like BVKS and his GBC “acharya managers program.” This is not the system ever found in Vaishnavism from time immemorial, where the acharyas are always getting DIRECT DICTATION from Krishna, and not from defective people like the GBC and BVKS.
This is pretty amazing, this means BVKS is hi-jacking a post which is HIGHER than God Almighty because: Normally what happens is that — God is always (eternally) dictating to the acharya, but BVKS defies the normal system of religion and he removes God from the equation. In short, BVKS over-rides Krishna’s authority to dictate to the acharyas, because BVKS replaces Krishna’s authority (dictation to the guru) with dictations from BVKS and his bogus GBC “guru managers” council, who are now the persons allegedly dictating to the acharyas. How did BVKS party take over the post of God?
[PD: That is not the mandate or duty of the GBC, — to vote in, create, manage, control, censure and remove acharyas. BVKS keeps telling us that he is strictly following Srila Prabhupada, ok so where was BVKS told by Srila Prabhupada to create, manage, and remove acharyas, and take over the post of Krishna?]
[PD: This means BVKS has fully quit ISKCON and he has joined with the Gaudiya Matha’s insane relativised guru program. Yes, ask anyone on the street, can the BVKS committee “monitor and regulate” God’s personal associate messiahs? They will say, this is insane. The whole idea that ISKCON or Suddhadvaiti can “enforce rules” upon the acharyas is — INSANE? Notice that BVKS and Suddhadvati are saying the same IDENTICAL thing, we have to MONITOR and CONTROL the acharya, they think they are better than GOD ALMIGHTY who is the actual manager of the acharyas, they are thinking God is a lousy manager, I am BETTER THAN GOD. This is also what KAMSA was thinking.]
[PD: The idea that the Lord’s messiahs need to be managed is “a controversy”? No, it’s a foolish idea from square one and they do not want to discuss it in PUBLIC because it EXPOSES BVKS and Suddhadvaiti as FOOLS for thinking they can manage the acharyas in the first place. Acharyam mam vijnaniyam, Krishna says THE ACHARYA IS AS GOOD AS MY VERY SELF, He does not say the acharya is as good as the committee selects and manages?]
[PD: A few quotes to consider:
Must be uttama-adhikari who can never fall down
“One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari .” (The Nectar of Instruction, text 5, purport)
“There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with non-devotees to preach. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.71, purport)
Must be mahabhagavata
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 24.330, purport)
Must be liberated soul
Must be liberated soul
“It is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. […] Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Krishna, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is 7.14, purport, 1972 ed.)
Does not deviate at all
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord […]”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)
Receives direct dictation from Lord Krishna
“A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been directly spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 5.71, purport)
Empowered to act as he likes
“The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Krishna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvenasa. […] As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 10.136, purport)
IRM Krishnakant/Puranjana Das (PD)
IRM Krishnakant/Puranjana Das (PD)
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