Vedasara Discussion / Mayesvara pt.5

A Dasi: Two questions to the CPO team. Yesterday I read Vedasara prabhu's disclosure of extremely horrific, dark, demoniac and highly disturbing material. I thank Vedarasa from the bottom of my heart for his immense courage. I convey my deepest respect to him and pray for his physical and emotional healing recovery. 

Question No 1. In your texts I have come across the descriptive word 'abuse'. Is there a reason not to define it as paedophilia? I would name the Mayapura gurukula lead by BVP, as “a well organised systemic paedophilia ring”; and the perpetrators, including BVP, as “paedophiles plagued by this incurable psychiatric disorder”. 

To remove the paedophiles from leadership and guruship roles in Srila Prabhupad’s ISKCON, is the minimum. How can they impart love of Krsna to their disciples in this mortified animalistic consciousness? In court they would be charged guilty of multiple crimes of the worst kind against children over decades and imprisoned for a MINIMUM of four years. 

Question No 2: Could you please explain the reasons for not pressing charges? The two answers I think of : the police are corrupt in India and the victims do not want to do so (?). What other reasons? Thank you

PADA: Always been a problem. Various parents have told me their kid or kids were molested, but when I requested them to make a police report, they would not do so. I did help one lady sue Dallas / Tamal in 1986 for about $3,000,000, and then she was severely demonized and harassed by the GBC's folks. And her kids ended up not wanting anything to do with Krishna. In other words, they make examples of anyone who tries to get justice, hence, making it more difficult for others to make the attempt. When I was helping get kids sign up for the 1997 Dallas case, some parents came up and literally screamed at me that I was destroying ISKCON etc. 

Even though I was explaining to them that there was a growing problem of victims taking their lives, it fell on deaf ears. Even the Kamsahanta / Pancali / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das / Bhakta Peter / HKC Jaipur ilk types were happy that their children victims were dying. One of their leaders said he wanted to see all of ISKCON's children "die in a bloodbath in Dallas." So -- there are people out there actually happy to see their victims -- dead. A dead victim cannot testify against their molester messiah's regime. So there are a lot of people in league with the regime. Of course then these folks told everyone to listen to Radhanath's cheer leaders. 

Anyway! There is a lot of repressed information -- as a result of this conspiracy of silence, which has caused many others to become victims because they were never informed of the issue. Had some of the parents exposed, pressed charges, sued and etc. earlier on, much of this would have been avoided. 

Right now, my Mormon nurse friend -- who has been reading my constant Krishna devotee cancer case reports -- thinks, the Hare Krishna's have a cancer epidemic going on because -- they are repressing negative emotions which is making a toxic effect on the body. That is perhaps why Krishna told Arjuna, you have to fight because the war will adversely afflict you no matter even if you try to avoid it. Another friend of mine, an ex-witch, says offering food to abusers and predators will predator-ize and contaminate the food offering, and afflict people with sympathy for abusers and predators, if they don't become that themselves. Of course this is always the first question the media folks ask as well, where were the complaints? ys pd

K Dasi: International and state (in the US) jurisdiction has often made pressing charges difficult. Traveling to press charges is again a burden placed upon the victim (and their family), what to speak of the financial, social and emotional costs involved. Many victims move on and far away from these traumas in order to heal. It is not a guarantee for 'justice' to press charges, because the law enforcement and judicial systems in most countries are problematic or broken as well. There are many many reasons this is not pursued by many victims.

KJ: When your stuck in a centralised cult w/ elite millionaires controlling it, such as what Iskcon turned into, your only choice is to get out, especially if you have children, your not going get police help or involvement in India.

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MAYESVARA pt. 5

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PART 5

In Pursuit of ISKCON Child Abusers c/o mayesvara dasa March 20, 2023 Page 5.

from mayesvara dasa cont...

Krishna Attracts Everyone!

Even misfits find Krishna captivating. That includes the 20 percent of the population the National Association on Mental Illness refers to as “Mentally Ill’.9 Those who came to Krishna Consciousness seeking relief from the miseries of life can only hope to get help like that if they can refrain from NOT offending devotees. 

PADA: Could not agree more. A society that worships pedophiles as its messiahs is mentally ill. Correct. Of course, even normally mentally ill people know that worshiping pedophiles is a bad idea, so they avoid it. Thus, we do not find people in a regular mental home worshiping pedophiles as their messiahs, it is something even they know is sinful and wrong. One of my psychology friends said, perverts like to see other perverts being worshipped. We won't find pervert worshiping cults in a mental home, they know better. 

That is a challenge we all face but it is particularly difficult to do for those who suffer from passive aggressive tendencies, obsessive compulsive behavior, post-traumatic stress disorder, paranoia, addictions to delusional conspiracy theories or psychopaths and narcissists to name a few.

PADA: What does any of that have to do with ISKCON's policy of promoting pedophiles as its messiahs? None of these mentally ill people mentioned above worship pedophiles as their gurus and acharyas. 

Alex Jones of Info-Wars fame is an example of such misfits and the Poison Conspiracy (P-Con) fraud confirms that individuals like him have found their way into ISKCON. Consequently, they are incapable of avoiding the ten offenses and do not last long. But they have developed some affection for Krishna so they can’t just walk away.

PADA: But anyone who promotes worship of pedophiles as acharyas is already committing offenses / aparadha. Worshiping deviants is a severe offense. Promoting pedophiles as acharyas has greatly poisoned most of the ex-ISKCON children from participating in the society. They boycott the society. They are not the offenders, they are the victims of the offenders.

Out of need they might find refuge among ISKCON-Bashers. But many disturbed individuals cannot even find a place among those groups which leads to further alienation that exasperated their feelings of rejection. The problem is not the organization, it is the underlying, untreated mental illness. But narcissists by
definition never realize this important point.

PADA: Any sane person has to reject a pedophile worshiping cult that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas. Otherwise they are implicated in these offenses, therefore most people have abandoned current ISKCON. That should be expected.   

An example of this type of distorted behavior is how some RtViks claim that if we all agreed to their mis-construed concept of initiation, ISKCON would magically be restored to the “Good Old Days!”

Whoopee! This is a reference to when Srila Prabhupada mesmerized everyone with his extraordinary leadership and and pure devotee qualities. However, during the “Good-Old-Days,” Srila Prabhupada was challenged every day with an array of problems he encountered from the media, smarta-brahmins, his health,
defiant disciples, the Gaudia Math, cheaters, deprogrammers, publishing challenges and the exponential expansion of of ISKCON.

PADA: Yes, but once the GBC declared that everyone has to worship their pedophile messiahs, then people wanted to go back to the good old days when ISKCON was not worshiping pedophiles. Again, why would be expect anything different? Normal devotees do not want to promote pedophiles as acharyas, thus many of them wanted to return to the Good Old Days when people worshiped only pure devotees. Why would they not want to go back to that standard?

The Problems In “The Good-Old-Days”

It took 20 years for the RtVik-Charade to coagulate into an alternative break-away movement and now there are at least five different RtVik camps! There is so much completion to establish their particular imaginary flavor of the RtVik-Charade that constant conflict prevails among them all! Delusional individuals may simplify what Srila Prabhupada accomplished into a utopia like “Good-Old-Days” memory, but those who were paying attention know that ISKCON has been undergoing an ever-maturing process right from the very beginning. There is no utopia like simple solution to ISKCON’s ongoing growing pains which include how to establish a safer gurukula environment for future brahmins. 

[PADA: ISKCON has matured how? In 1978 the ISKCON leaders said we have to help them promote a program of worship their illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, who could cause mass child molesting with their pedophile's pooja process. I said Jayatirtha is de facto a pedophile because he is having sex with subordinates, and they banned me and kept their de facto pedophile messiah's pooja going onward.

And it is the same now, we STILL have to help them promote their pedophile worship regime, or -- be banned, beaten, sued (and --maybe killed)? The ISKCON leaders are still telling people they need to promote pedophiles as God's acharyas, or be banned etc. One ex-kuli person just now says if they ever discuss their abuse at the temple, and who caused it, they would be immediately banned. How is ISKCON improving if they are still stuck in 1978? 

Even young mother child welfare advocates are getting threats of violence, how is that any improvement?

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