PADA: Notice that Jayapataka swami, the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara; and top facilitator for the child abuse process in Mayapur, is still the main person being consulted over ISKCON's child welfare. And this is why more and more people are saying, this is the main reason NOTHING ever gets done. The people who created the problem will NEVER solve the problem.
You mean to say, the main generals in charge of the Auschwitz for kids project, are STILL the SAME people we need to consult over how to treat children? Someone said, this is like asking Jack the Ripper to take charge of the girl scouts camping trip. Hee hee! ys pd
Dear Devotees, PAMHO AGTSP
Rasaraj prabhu requested me to post it for your perusal.
Your servant,
Rrdas
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Date: 21-Apr-23 11:20 (16:50 +0530)
To: Revati Raman (das) JPS (TP Tirupati - IN) [85851]
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Date: Apr 21, 2023 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in
ISKCON
To:
Cc: "Tattvavit (das) ACBSP (BBT)" <Tattvavit.ACBSP@pamho.net>,GBC EC
<GBC.EC@pamho.net>,gbc-discussions@googlegroups.com, gbcdeputies@iskcon.net.au,"
IBAC2023
(ISKCON Bharat Advisory Committee 2023)" <IBAC2023@pamho.net>,"ISKCON
(India) Bureau Discussions" <ISKCON.Bureau.Discussions@pamho.net>
Hare Krishna All,
Pamho AGTSP
The verse and purport quoted by Basughosh prabhu below is justly well known.
Still, I would humbly urge consideration of the following three points. I make
them as briefly as possible.
1) The verse says that young boys should stay in the ashrama of the Guru and be
trained properly. Now, the word 'guru' here could be interpreted as referring
to just any teacher in the conventional sense or as Guru in the highest Vaishnava sense (Sakshad Haritvena), or in any intermediate sense.
PADA: Yep. In contemporary ISKCON there are three types of gurus: 1) The founder fathers of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara: 2) The cover-ups, cheer leaders, defenders, apologists etc. for the illicit sex messiahs club and: 3) Those "voted in" by the two above groups.
Of course even the common man knows that an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is an offense to God, and is dangerous for children. Unfortunately, victims are often told they "did not study the shastra," so they selected the wrong guru. Nope, these three are the ONLY choices the victims are given, there is no good choice. Apart from that, how can a five years old child "study the shastra"?
It could be arguably said that presently in the movement, i.e. after Srila Prabhupada's Divine Disapperance, we have not required the term "guru" to stand in the highest Vaishnava sense, and that in the eyes of many, it is an issue that needs to be addressed and revisited.
PADA: Correct. No normal religion promotes the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs and gurus.
Thus, with respect to present Gurukulas we have, it might be prudent to err on the side of caution on the safeside and require gurukulas to have gurus in the highest Vaishnava sense operating them. In which case the decision to at least temporarily close down the schools until we feel we have such qualified gurus who can run a gurukula will be in line with the highest reading of the quoted verse, not at all ignoring it.
2) Secondly, education is a top-down process, both in the case of training adult devotees joining the movement, as well as in the case of children we wish to educate. That is to say, the gnostic component we teach must have successful practicioners at the highest level, and then percolate down through them. Srila Prabhupada, being the highest caliber Mahabhagavata, certainly started the educational process in that top-down way.
PADA: Correct. No normal religion promotes the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs and gurus.
Thus, with respect to present Gurukulas we have, it might be prudent to err on the side of caution on the safeside and require gurukulas to have gurus in the highest Vaishnava sense operating them. In which case the decision to at least temporarily close down the schools until we feel we have such qualified gurus who can run a gurukula will be in line with the highest reading of the quoted verse, not at all ignoring it.
2) Secondly, education is a top-down process, both in the case of training adult devotees joining the movement, as well as in the case of children we wish to educate. That is to say, the gnostic component we teach must have successful practicioners at the highest level, and then percolate down through them. Srila Prabhupada, being the highest caliber Mahabhagavata, certainly started the educational process in that top-down way.
PADA: It is percolating down. By worshiping sexual predators and pedophiles, there has been an outbreak of predators and pedophiles. That is because we become what we worship according to Vedic principle. So Rasaraja is quite correct, what is done at the top, i.e. "gurus" engaging in illicit sex with men, women and children, will percolate down to the entire sub-structure and contaminate the entire ISKCON society in one form or other, and it has.
Current Western karmi education, which is adopted worldwide, was also developed that way. Newton came first, then other researchers came, then universities with Phd level education, then Masters, Bachelors, high school, secondary school and
finally down to kintergarten.
finally down to kintergarten.
PADA: Yep, their illicit sex pooja idea is coming from the top and it is influencing all the other levels. Even the India ICC students are calling me a mleccha because they think their pedophile pooja is bona fide, they have been infected from the top down to them.
We may also choose to adopt the same standards for top-down development of education for present-day ISKCON. That would mean first producing genuine top ranking Vaishnvas through our temples before we venture into education at other levels. That will be following Srila Prabhupada's personal example, and also his instruction to ISKCON leaders to "boil the milk".
PADA: Oh yeah, we might first of all get some qualified people to instruct children -- before -- we make schools for them. Sign me up! Unfortunately, the current teaching is that their illicit sex guru parampara is bona fide, hence their ICC students are arguing with me that their pedophile pooja is bona fide, and no doubt they will teach that to children.
3) Srila Prabhupada instructed Bhaktivedanta Institute to offer formal education with degrees at college level. He said it will be for those who have not come to our temples, but he said it will also be for devotees in our temples.
Being science based, it is natural that such education, if properly developed at the top-most research level, will percolate down all the way to kintergarten level. I have adopted this top-down strategy in developing BI in Mumbai and Berkeley which are under my command. It is a more difficult, long-term process, one for sreyas, not preyas. Thus, it has taken me 44 years too.
3) Srila Prabhupada instructed Bhaktivedanta Institute to offer formal education with degrees at college level. He said it will be for those who have not come to our temples, but he said it will also be for devotees in our temples.
Being science based, it is natural that such education, if properly developed at the top-most research level, will percolate down all the way to kintergarten level. I have adopted this top-down strategy in developing BI in Mumbai and Berkeley which are under my command. It is a more difficult, long-term process, one for sreyas, not preyas. Thus, it has taken me 44 years too.
But it has yielded proper fruits, although not always seen, not always appreciated, and certainly not supported the way Srila Prabhupada wants it to be supported. But the main point is that I have first done international quality research, accepted now by worldwide scholars. This top-down research started in the most fundamental of all sciences, namely physics, and thus will impact ALL other fields of science, engineering, medicine, economics, political science history, philosophy and ultimately theology too.
This top-down research has then spawned successful Ph.D. and Masters level
education, which international students have graduated from. But these important programs have wihered due to total lack of support and neglect within the movement. We have now have even a full curriculum for contemporary Bachelors degree programs based on Srimad Bhsgavatam, but it is on the drawing table, languishing.
education, which international students have graduated from. But these important programs have wihered due to total lack of support and neglect within the movement. We have now have even a full curriculum for contemporary Bachelors degree programs based on Srimad Bhsgavatam, but it is on the drawing table, languishing.
The Govt of India committee for Science education under the New Educational Policy (NEP 2020) has approached me to write a textbook on science for Grade 6. Our knowledge, developed scientifically in this way can also be eventually taught from kintergarten level.
Thus, our top-down approach is succeeding. It is based on a new paradigm, that of objective semantic information (OSI), which is the modern term for true Krishna Consciousness knowledge. This important arena of knowledge
generation, which we have developed by Srila Prabhupada's mercy. is very relevant to the process of "causing a revolution in the impious lives of a misdirected civilization".
In conclusion, a proposal to close, not only traditional gurukulas but also the mission schools we have that teach current slaughter house education can be
sanguine and strategic, since it need only be a temporary decision, while we
properly recognize and support and co-opt true top-down education development
underway and revolutionize education, for our temple devotees, for our gurukulas and for the rest of the world at large as well.
Just some thoughts.
Ys. Rasaraja dasa
Thus, our top-down approach is succeeding. It is based on a new paradigm, that of objective semantic information (OSI), which is the modern term for true Krishna Consciousness knowledge. This important arena of knowledge
generation, which we have developed by Srila Prabhupada's mercy. is very relevant to the process of "causing a revolution in the impious lives of a misdirected civilization".
In conclusion, a proposal to close, not only traditional gurukulas but also the mission schools we have that teach current slaughter house education can be
sanguine and strategic, since it need only be a temporary decision, while we
properly recognize and support and co-opt true top-down education development
underway and revolutionize education, for our temple devotees, for our gurukulas and for the rest of the world at large as well.
Just some thoughts.
Ys. Rasaraja dasa
PADA: Very good. Since the GBC promotes pedophile pooja from the top levels, it will filter down to all the other levels, including the kindergartens.
P.S. A colleague at BI offered this point:
Your second point is the most important. The problem is that without a scientific presentation of Krishna consciousness as you are developing, the teachers in the gurukula are going to have a hard time presenting the modern knowledge without running into fundamental conflicts with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Even a simple high school chemistry course will tell students that water can be electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and vice versa but yet Bhagavatam says water is element. Modern Indology disagrees in so many ways to SP's teachings. Thus the gurus in the ISKCON gurukulas need some education themselves before they can teach students.
PADA: Yep, the scholars like Dr Stilson Judah told me my life is in severe danger for exposing their illicit sex guru process. They are turning scholars away en masse, if not frightening them from challenging them.
Your second point is the most important. The problem is that without a scientific presentation of Krishna consciousness as you are developing, the teachers in the gurukula are going to have a hard time presenting the modern knowledge without running into fundamental conflicts with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Even a simple high school chemistry course will tell students that water can be electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and vice versa but yet Bhagavatam says water is element. Modern Indology disagrees in so many ways to SP's teachings. Thus the gurus in the ISKCON gurukulas need some education themselves before they can teach students.
PADA: Yep, the scholars like Dr Stilson Judah told me my life is in severe danger for exposing their illicit sex guru process. They are turning scholars away en masse, if not frightening them from challenging them.
On Apr 21, 2023 2:11 AM, "Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)"
<Basu.Ghosh.ACBSP@pamho.net> wrote:
Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
Camp: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Dear Guru Prasad Maharaj and Prabhus, members of the GBC EC
Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Received your message, seen below this, via an email from Jayapataka Maharaj that a couple of devotees forwarded to me, that there is a proposal by 10
GBC members to close all boarding schools in ISKCON.
There is the well known, oft quoted by Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam where Narada Muni instructs Maharaj Yudhistir that boys should live at the residence of the guru, i.e. "gurukula":
Srimad Bhagavatam 7.12.1
sri-narada uvaca
brahmacari gurukule
vasan danto guror hitam
acaran dasavan nico
gurau sudrdha-sauhrdah
Padapaathaha
sri-naradah uvaca — Sri Narada Muni said; brahmacari — a brahmacari, a
student living at the residence of the guru; gurukule — at the residence of
the guru; vasan — by living; dantah — continuously practicing control of the
senses; guroh hitam — only for the benefit of the guru (not for one’s
personal benefit); acaran — practicing; dasa-vat — very humbly, like a
slave; nicah — submissive, obedient; gurau — unto the spiritual master;
su-drdha — firmly; sauhrdah — in friendship or good will.
Translation
Narada Muni said: A student should practice completely controlling his senses. He should be submissive and should have an attitude of firm friendship for the spiritual master. With a great vow, the brahmacari should live at the gurukula, only for the benefit of the guru.
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gurukule — at the residence of the guru.
It seems that such a proposal did not take into consideration this important verse from the Bhagavatam. What to speak of Srila Prabhupada's express desire that gurukulas be established worldwide.
Srila Prabhupada wrote in the purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.23:
"What was possible for Dhruva Maharaja is possible for anyone. Any five-year-old child can be trained, and within a very short time his life will become successful by realization of Krsna consciousness. Unfortunately, this training is lacking all over the world. It is necessary for the leaders of the Krsna consciousness movement to start educational institutions in different parts of the world to train children, starting at the age of five years. Thus such children will not become hippies or spoiled children of society; rather, they can all become devotees of the Lord. The face of the world will then change automatically."
It seems to my puny brain that the proposal to close all boarding schools is the proverbial "thowing out the baby with the bathwater"!
The hysteria that has arisen in ISKCON in the wake of the recent revelations and disgrace of the former BVP Swami at Mayapur ought not be the cause of abandoning the instructions of Sri Narada Muni, Srila Prabhupada and the
Srimad Bhagavatam.
Thanks for taking the above into consideration when discussing this subject in the GBC meetings. Hope this meets you well.
dasanudas,
Basu Ghosh Das
Facebook: Basu Ghosh Das
WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308
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From: Internet: "e-Zonal-Secretary"
<e-zonal-secretary@jayapatakaswami.com>
Date: 17-Apr-23 07:11
Attached: 33738652.eml (16118 bytes) "Original email file"
Subject: Ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON
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My dear temple presidents,
Please accept my blessings.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Home base: Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir
Camp: ISKCON Dallas, Texas
Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON. But in order to do that, we have to say how many schools we have in ISKCON and which day schools are and which are boarding
schools. And who are the managers of the boarding schools. As This resolution
and the closure would cause what impact?. These are schools which are in the
name of ISKCON or not on ISKCON’s name but you should give the name of the
organization and what its relationship is with ISKCON, legal, not legal but somehow connected and who funds it, etc. Please send out a letter on the zonal secretary program to all the temples and ask them who has a school and if any of the students are sleeping over in the school and all programs which
includes minors (summer camps, if involves Under 18 age devotees), and what the source of funding are the schools registered with ISKCON and how they would be affected by this resolution.
My request to all the respected temple presidents and higher zonal leaders to give report as requested to jpsmobile@gmail.com.
Your well-wisher always,
Jayapataka Swami
JPS/ssdb
Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON The EC is requesting the ten devotees who sponsored the proposal to close boarding schools to first research:
- What schools exist in ISKCON TODAY?
- Which "exactly" are boarding schools?
- In contact with each of the school administrations, discover the impact this
resolution will have on their operations:
a. Provide the names and locations of all schools in their zones
b. Inform us which ones are boarding schools
c. Give us contact information for the administrators of those schools.
d. Write to those admins to urge them to cooperate fully with this research.
Please find as below mentioned letter from GBC EC, as well.
Dear GBC Members,
Please accept our humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Due to the strong opinions expressed by GBC members on the proposal to close ISKCON - affiliated boarding schools, we feel the topic requires more
consideration before it can be voted upon. Therefore, we have requested that
prior to the GBC discussion and vote, the group of devotees making this
proposal ascertain exactly which ISKCON-affiliated boarding schools are in
operation and how this proposal will impact them. In addition, we requested
that they consult with those who are operating these schools, particularly
Vrindavan gurukula, and take their concerns into consideration. This will make
for a much more efficient and fruitful discussion with the GBC Body. Once
the above exercise has been completed, the proposal will be presented once
again.
Thank you very much.
Hare Krsna,
Your servants,
Revati Raman Das
Guru Prasad Swami
Tapana Misra Das,
GBC Executive Committee
https://www.jayapatakaswami.com/
Download Jayapataka Swami App from Google Play Store or Apple App Store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jayapatakaswami.jpsapp
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id967072815
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<Basu.Ghosh.ACBSP@pamho.net> wrote:
Home Base: ISKCON Baroda
Camp: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Dear Guru Prasad Maharaj and Prabhus, members of the GBC EC
Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Received your message, seen below this, via an email from Jayapataka Maharaj that a couple of devotees forwarded to me, that there is a proposal by 10
GBC members to close all boarding schools in ISKCON.
There is the well known, oft quoted by Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam where Narada Muni instructs Maharaj Yudhistir that boys should live at the residence of the guru, i.e. "gurukula":
Srimad Bhagavatam 7.12.1
sri-narada uvaca
brahmacari gurukule
vasan danto guror hitam
acaran dasavan nico
gurau sudrdha-sauhrdah
Padapaathaha
sri-naradah uvaca — Sri Narada Muni said; brahmacari — a brahmacari, a
student living at the residence of the guru; gurukule — at the residence of
the guru; vasan — by living; dantah — continuously practicing control of the
senses; guroh hitam — only for the benefit of the guru (not for one’s
personal benefit); acaran — practicing; dasa-vat — very humbly, like a
slave; nicah — submissive, obedient; gurau — unto the spiritual master;
su-drdha — firmly; sauhrdah — in friendship or good will.
Translation
Narada Muni said: A student should practice completely controlling his senses. He should be submissive and should have an attitude of firm friendship for the spiritual master. With a great vow, the brahmacari should live at the gurukula, only for the benefit of the guru.
-------------------------------------------
gurukule — at the residence of the guru.
It seems that such a proposal did not take into consideration this important verse from the Bhagavatam. What to speak of Srila Prabhupada's express desire that gurukulas be established worldwide.
Srila Prabhupada wrote in the purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.23:
"What was possible for Dhruva Maharaja is possible for anyone. Any five-year-old child can be trained, and within a very short time his life will become successful by realization of Krsna consciousness. Unfortunately, this training is lacking all over the world. It is necessary for the leaders of the Krsna consciousness movement to start educational institutions in different parts of the world to train children, starting at the age of five years. Thus such children will not become hippies or spoiled children of society; rather, they can all become devotees of the Lord. The face of the world will then change automatically."
It seems to my puny brain that the proposal to close all boarding schools is the proverbial "thowing out the baby with the bathwater"!
The hysteria that has arisen in ISKCON in the wake of the recent revelations and disgrace of the former BVP Swami at Mayapur ought not be the cause of abandoning the instructions of Sri Narada Muni, Srila Prabhupada and the
Srimad Bhagavatam.
Thanks for taking the above into consideration when discussing this subject in the GBC meetings. Hope this meets you well.
dasanudas,
Basu Ghosh Das
Facebook: Basu Ghosh Das
WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Letter PAMHO:33738652 (78 lines) [M1]
From: Internet: "e-Zonal-Secretary"
<e-zonal-secretary@jayapatakaswami.com>
Date: 17-Apr-23 07:11
Attached: 33738652.eml (16118 bytes) "Original email file"
Subject: Ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON
------------------------------------------------------------
My dear temple presidents,
Please accept my blessings.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Home base: Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir
Camp: ISKCON Dallas, Texas
Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON. But in order to do that, we have to say how many schools we have in ISKCON and which day schools are and which are boarding
schools. And who are the managers of the boarding schools. As This resolution
and the closure would cause what impact?. These are schools which are in the
name of ISKCON or not on ISKCON’s name but you should give the name of the
organization and what its relationship is with ISKCON, legal, not legal but somehow connected and who funds it, etc. Please send out a letter on the zonal secretary program to all the temples and ask them who has a school and if any of the students are sleeping over in the school and all programs which
includes minors (summer camps, if involves Under 18 age devotees), and what the source of funding are the schools registered with ISKCON and how they would be affected by this resolution.
My request to all the respected temple presidents and higher zonal leaders to give report as requested to jpsmobile@gmail.com.
Your well-wisher always,
Jayapataka Swami
JPS/ssdb
Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON The EC is requesting the ten devotees who sponsored the proposal to close boarding schools to first research:
- What schools exist in ISKCON TODAY?
- Which "exactly" are boarding schools?
- In contact with each of the school administrations, discover the impact this
resolution will have on their operations:
a. Provide the names and locations of all schools in their zones
b. Inform us which ones are boarding schools
c. Give us contact information for the administrators of those schools.
d. Write to those admins to urge them to cooperate fully with this research.
Please find as below mentioned letter from GBC EC, as well.
Dear GBC Members,
Please accept our humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Due to the strong opinions expressed by GBC members on the proposal to close ISKCON - affiliated boarding schools, we feel the topic requires more
consideration before it can be voted upon. Therefore, we have requested that
prior to the GBC discussion and vote, the group of devotees making this
proposal ascertain exactly which ISKCON-affiliated boarding schools are in
operation and how this proposal will impact them. In addition, we requested
that they consult with those who are operating these schools, particularly
Vrindavan gurukula, and take their concerns into consideration. This will make
for a much more efficient and fruitful discussion with the GBC Body. Once
the above exercise has been completed, the proposal will be presented once
again.
Thank you very much.
Hare Krsna,
Your servants,
Revati Raman Das
Guru Prasad Swami
Tapana Misra Das,
GBC Executive Committee
https://www.jayapatakaswami.com/
Download Jayapataka Swami App from Google Play Store or Apple App Store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jayapatakaswami.jpsapp
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id967072815
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PADA: Yep, the top general of Auschwitz for kids project is our main consulting partner. What could go wrong boys and girls? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
LD: Oh great. They want to know why there is child beating and child rapes campus going on ... so they make the leader of the whole Mayapur concentration camp ... a leader of the "reform" of the evil program. Makes a lot of sense?
ReplyDeleteWhat REALLY makes a lot of sense is, there are a lot of people dependent on Jayapataka's money, manpower and influence and they ... need the guy. The only thing Rasaraj says that makes any sense? Promoting the people in charge of a child's concentration camp "percolates down" everywhere else. And it is.
The horrific smell from their child abuse sewer is now sneaking into every other corner and area of ISKCON, and that is because Rasaraja is right, this will percolate all over the place ... and implicate every leader of ISKCON in the process.
Their whole sewer pipe is exploding and percolating ... so what do we do? We find the person who poured all sorts of sewage into the pipe in the first place like JPS, and ask him to add more of his advice.
This is going nowhere unless we understand ... the more this goes on, the more it implicates all the others, and that is factual progress. We need to identify the assistants.
And they are being identified. Bringing back the same leaders of this whole mess means ... they are not even making the slightest attempt to fix it. It is all bluff and blah blah blah, as usual, except more people are getting fed up with this. Like us!
JD: I got an idea! Bear with me. We all know what a "school" is, right? All GBC raise their hands. That is everyone!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone here in the GBC know what a "guru" is? No one knows, no hands raised. Maybe you should figure out what is a guru first. Rasaraja is right, make sure everyone knows what is a guru, then LATER ON, make the guru school. Issue must be "revisited" ... only after we beat up and killed people! And f**ked the kids!
The sounds like horse before the cart. We are making guru schools, but we do not know what is a guru. But then they say, everyone is a guru already. But you made Bhakti Vidya Purna your representative. How does that make you acting as gurus?
Next, I got another great idea! You know how the foxes who were in charge of the hen house ... seems to have made most of the hens disappear. What should we do now? Oh I know ... let us RE-HIRE the same foxes.
That is their brilliant plan. The same foxes who destroyed the hen house ... should be in charge of rebuilding the hen house and filling it with more hens. Is this making any sense? None. Let us face it ... they don't really care about any of the hens disappearing ... they just want to get some hand outs from the Foxes security company. It is all about getting perks and bennies. And always has been.